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Speaker 1: richontech dot TV. All Right, so today I'm coming to
Speaker 1: you from a special place Alisaul Ranch in Santa Barbara
Speaker 1: Wine Country. I'm here for a special event. And the
Speaker 1: irony of this situation is that I did not plan
Speaker 1: to do the show from here, so I was gonna
Speaker 1: be up here, and when I got here, I brought
Speaker 1: all my stuff to do the show potentially. But this
Speaker 1: is a place, this is a ranch where people go
Speaker 1: to get away from technology. There is barely a cell
Speaker 1: phone signal, barely a Wi Fi signal, no TVs in
Speaker 1: the rooms, no nothing, no internet in the room. I
Speaker 1: mean there is a little bit now, no phones in
Speaker 1: the rooms. So there was really no way to go
Speaker 1: live from here until I tested and they said, well,
Speaker 1: we do have kind of like a little bit of
Speaker 1: AT and T on property. And I said, all right,
Speaker 1: let me try this. And it turns out whatever there is,
Speaker 1: our system works with it. So I'm coming to you
Speaker 1: live from Santa Barbara Wine Country. I want to do
Speaker 1: a special shout out to our listeners on KSMA Santa
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Speaker 1: a couple of folks here listen to the show from
Speaker 1: up here. So very exciting. All right, this was a
Speaker 1: very very big week. This was Apple's WWDC Worldwide Developers Conference.
Speaker 1: So earlier, I was up in Coopertino, California, at Apple's
Speaker 1: campus they called Apple Park. It is incredible. It is
Speaker 1: such an amazing experience. Anytime I go to any of
Speaker 1: these tech events, it just continues to contribute to the
Speaker 1: knowledge that I have, the experience that I have, the
Speaker 1: memories that I have, the people that I know. It
Speaker 1: is all incredible. But this week was a big one
Speaker 1: for Apple because we finally finally got to see and
Speaker 1: I got to touch and try the product that so
Speaker 1: many people have been talking about for so long, Apple
Speaker 1: Vision Pro. This is a vr AR mixed reality headset.
Speaker 1: Apple called it none of that. They call it a
Speaker 1: spatial computer. This is a headset that you put on
Speaker 1: that lets you do all kinds of cool stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go more in depth about that in just a moment.
Speaker 1: But they also had some other products, a new fifteen
Speaker 1: inch MacBook Air, which I can't believe they came out
Speaker 1: with right after. Of course, I buy my fourteen inch
Speaker 1: MacBook Pro, so now I want to get the fifteen
Speaker 1: inch MacBook Air because it's lighter, it's thinner, and it's
Speaker 1: got a much bigger screen than what I just got,
Speaker 1: so someone in my family may be getting an early
Speaker 1: Christmas present. They also came out with a Mac Studio,
Speaker 1: a MacPro, and lots of updates for iOS iPadOS mac Os.
Speaker 1: The next version of that is going to be called Sonoma,
Speaker 1: Yes after the wine country in California. Watch os. They
Speaker 1: made some updates to the health app, tvOS, and AirPods
Speaker 1: is getting a feature that I've been waiting for forever.
Speaker 1: So lots of big announcements at WWDC. Perhaps the biggest
Speaker 1: is this new thing called Apple Vision Pro. Now I
Speaker 1: did get to go what do you call it? Head
Speaker 1: on with this thing. I put this on, and I
Speaker 1: will tell you I joked about this, I talked about this,
Speaker 1: But the world has forever changed. Now that this is
Speaker 1: in our world, things are going to be different. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you why this is unlike any VR headset
Speaker 1: we've ever had before. And the reason is that Apple
Speaker 1: took all of the pain points from the other VR
Speaker 1: headsets that we've had in the past, and some of
Speaker 1: them are very good, and they have gotten rid of
Speaker 1: those pain points. The biggest pain point they introduced is
Speaker 1: the price tag thirty five hundred dollars, which immediately just
Speaker 1: kind of takes this out of the running for many
Speaker 1: many people. But with that said, they did a really
Speaker 1: good job with this device. So let me tell you
Speaker 1: kind of some of the futures. So first off, you
Speaker 1: put this thing on and it's got a screen on
Speaker 1: the front, and you know, some adjustable bands and things,
Speaker 1: but when you look through it, it gives you an
Speaker 1: immediate view of the world around you. So I was
Speaker 1: sitting in this room and it just looked like I
Speaker 1: was looking at the room. But then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: when they turned it on, it wrote, incursive across the screen, Hello,
Speaker 1: in this big three D lettering that just floated in
Speaker 1: mid air. And from that moment on, I had a
Speaker 1: huge smile on my face and I just said, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is incredible because it looks like the reality you're in,
Speaker 1: but overlaid with a virtual reality. And what does that mean. Well,
Speaker 1: some of the things we did. We opened up a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of apps on the screen and you can
Speaker 1: place them anywhere you want in your room, and it's
Speaker 1: just like what you imagine the future would be like.
Speaker 1: You can stretch those apps to look really big. You
Speaker 1: can squeeze them, make them look really small. And the
Speaker 1: way that you control this entire whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it computer headset is with your eyes, your voice,
Speaker 1: and your hand. It's not a controller. You literally look
Speaker 1: at what you want to do. If it's a button
Speaker 1: on screen, you look at that button and then you
Speaker 1: just press your fingers together and it will select whatever
Speaker 1: that button does. If you want to flip through something,
Speaker 1: you just pinch and you swipe. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: the movies that we've seen, all of the science fiction
Speaker 1: stuff we've seen, except in reality. Inside this display, as
Speaker 1: I kind of alluded to in past weeks, two ultra
Speaker 1: high resolution displays, and it's so clear and crisp. It's
Speaker 1: like a four K display for each eye. So when
Speaker 1: you watch a movie on this thing, not only is
Speaker 1: it crystal clear, but I was watching a movie on
Speaker 1: what seemed to be a one hundred foot screen in
Speaker 1: front of me. So imagine you live in a tiny
Speaker 1: apartment in New York City, which, by the way, I
Speaker 1: guess if you live in a tiny apartment in New
Speaker 1: York City, you could probably afford to get this thing
Speaker 1: because it's so expensive. But you could you no longer
Speaker 1: need a TV. Why would you need a TV when
Speaker 1: you can just put this headset on and now have
Speaker 1: the most incredible system you've ever seen for watching movies.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be over one hundred Apple Arcade games at launch.
Speaker 1: There's this thing called immersive Environments. So I was sitting
Speaker 1: there watching something on a TV, and instead of seeing
Speaker 1: the world around me, I said, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: tune out the world around me. So you turn this
Speaker 1: little rotating knob. They call it the digital crown. You
Speaker 1: turn that and everything just sort of blacks out and
Speaker 1: you can say, oh, I want to be on a mountaintop,
Speaker 1: I want to be on the moon, I want to
Speaker 1: be on in outer space. Whatever you want to be,
Speaker 1: you can be in that place instantly. Or if you
Speaker 1: turn it the other way, you're back in your room
Speaker 1: and the stuff is kind of superimposed on the world
Speaker 1: around you in the room. There's also a three D
Speaker 1: camera on this device. You can capture photos and videos
Speaker 1: in three D. That was really odd to see this.
Speaker 1: So they captured a three D picture of a kid
Speaker 1: of two kids on you know, in their room playing
Speaker 1: and they were eating some cake and it was just
Speaker 1: so weird. It looked like almost claymation figures in front
Speaker 1: of you. And I can imagine that if you know,
Speaker 1: many many years into the future, when you know one
Speaker 1: of your relatives is looking at these pictures later on,
Speaker 1: long after you've passed, it would really be emotional. And
Speaker 1: then the video of the three D video clips were
Speaker 1: so odd because the world sort of like blends around it.
Speaker 1: So it's like almost like, ah, gosh, how do you
Speaker 1: explain it. It looks like a hologram, but it's the
Speaker 1: edges are all kind of feathered, so it just blends away.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have like a direct start or end. Really
Speaker 1: really interesting. The FaceTime call that we made, they do
Speaker 1: something called a digital persona, So you scan your face
Speaker 1: and the device makes a digital replica of what you
Speaker 1: would look like in the digital world, and they call
Speaker 1: it your person And so I was chatting with someone
Speaker 1: who was using their persona because you can't see yourself
Speaker 1: inside this thing, so it makes a digital side of you.
Speaker 1: And that was kind of weird because it's digital. It's eerie.
Speaker 1: It's odd, very very strange. Let's see apps you can
Speaker 1: run all of the apps that you can run on
Speaker 1: the iPhone, you can run these day one but of
Speaker 1: course some of these developers will come up with new apps.
Speaker 1: There's a feature called Eyesight, which is really really odd.
Speaker 1: This is a feature that when someone approaches you, they
Speaker 1: will see your eyes sort of through this device, but
Speaker 1: it's really just your eyes, a portrayal of your eyes
Speaker 1: on a screen on the outside of this headset, and
Speaker 1: then when the person comes up near you, the headset
Speaker 1: is using machine learning to notice that that's a human
Speaker 1: and it will actually help them break through the screen
Speaker 1: on the inside. So let's say you're watching a movie
Speaker 1: on a big screen and your wife comes into the room.
Speaker 1: You will see her kind of come into the screen
Speaker 1: and say, hey, what's going on, and you can interact
Speaker 1: with her. When I put my hands up in front
Speaker 1: of me, I could see my hands just as they
Speaker 1: were right there. I mean, really really incredible stuff. All Right,
Speaker 1: I've got so much more to talk about with this headset.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a break real quick, but when we
Speaker 1: come back, I'm gonna talk more about this because I
Speaker 1: just can't. I can't stop. There's so much about this.
Speaker 1: It's so transformative. We're gonna talk more about that. Plus
Speaker 1: coming up on the show, I'm gonna tell you about
Speaker 1: the scam that involves your restaurant reservation. And then Brian Tong,
Speaker 1: tech creator, is gonna join me to discuss our time
Speaker 1: inside this headset. He's gonna help me compare it to
Speaker 1: other VR headsets out there. Plus your calls at Triple
Speaker 1: A rich one O one. You're listening to rich on tech.
Speaker 1: Phone lines are open at Triple A rich one O
Speaker 1: one eight eight eight seven four to two four one
Speaker 1: zero one. We're gonna talk about a scam soon that's
Speaker 1: involving your restaurant reservation. This was a new one to me,
Speaker 1: but it makes a lot of sense. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: about that in a moment. Plus phone an email in
Speaker 1: Hello at richontech dot TV. And I've been talking about
Speaker 1: this Apple headset Vision Pro thirty five hundred dollars virtual
Speaker 1: reality headset. It's been in all the headlines this week.
Speaker 1: It is incredible, but it's very, very expensive, and so
Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed my time with this. I had
Speaker 1: about a half an hour with this device, and I
Speaker 1: said in my KTLA segment that I'm sold on it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't mean the price. I'm sold on what
Speaker 1: this thing means and what it can do. I don't
Speaker 1: know if people are gonna be switching their computers to
Speaker 1: this device immediately, but what it represents for entertainment and
Speaker 1: for communication and for accessibility is going to be pretty
Speaker 1: pretty wild. All right, let's go to line one. John
Speaker 1: is in Rosemead, California. John, you're on with Rich. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show.
Speaker 2: Hey Rich, thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Simple question.
Speaker 4: Email program for a PC that can handle multiple email addresses?
Speaker 1: Good question. Uh. We talked about this a little bit
Speaker 1: in a recent show, and I guess the main question
Speaker 1: I have for you is you don't want to use
Speaker 1: what's built into Windows or not the mail app?
Speaker 4: Does it handle multiple email addresses?
Speaker 1: I believe it does. I don't see why it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple of ways you can go
Speaker 1: about this, So you can you can use a program,
Speaker 1: you know, like a mail program or Outlook under okay,
Speaker 1: and so what do you like and not like about that?
Speaker 4: Now with the program that I'm with, go Daddy my emails,
Speaker 4: I have to buy an extension and it's just it's
Speaker 4: getting complicated and the size.
Speaker 1: Interesting. What do you mean you have to buy an extension?
Speaker 1: It doesn't Is it not like a Standardized email address.
Speaker 2: No it is.
Speaker 4: But Go Daddy is making me switch from POP to IMAP. Yeah,
Speaker 4: now Mozilla is not. I'm not getting emails, so I
Speaker 4: had to get an extension and I had to purchase it.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing I don't you may not need
Speaker 1: to do that. I think that that the IMAP is
Speaker 1: the main way that these you know, these email addresses
Speaker 1: work nowadays. It used to be POP, right, but I
Speaker 1: think I think what you have to do is I
Speaker 1: think what you have to do is delete the POP
Speaker 1: email and then set it up again as IMAP. And
Speaker 1: from what I'm looking right now on their website, it
Speaker 1: seems like it supports it natively. So I don't think
Speaker 1: you would have to, you know, get anything different or
Speaker 1: or sign up for something. Who where are you paying
Speaker 1: the money to to use this? Is it Go Daddy
Speaker 1: or Thunderbird?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: The extension is the third party extension on?
Speaker 3: Is it Chrome? No, let's Chrome on.
Speaker 4: In order for it to work, I had to get
Speaker 4: an extension in Mozilla. Okay, I don't know. Okay, some
Speaker 4: third party company that I purchased it from.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, all right, Well, what I'd recommend is check
Speaker 1: out mail number one. Just see if that works with
Speaker 1: the multiple accounts on your computer. It's built in, it works,
Speaker 1: it's simple. You can also if you have a Gmail
Speaker 1: account or if you have like an Outlook account, you
Speaker 1: can just add your multiple email addresses inside there and
Speaker 1: then check it from the web, which is what I
Speaker 1: prefer because you can access that from anywhere, and so
Speaker 1: I kind of like doing it that way. Otherwise, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Thunderbird program is nice. There's a couple other programs
Speaker 1: that I don't know. I think they're probably a little
Speaker 1: bit too much for what you're asking for and what
Speaker 1: you need, because they're more like, you know, high end programs.
Speaker 1: Microsoft Outlook if you have access to that, of course,
Speaker 1: is a nice program which is going to work really well.
Speaker 1: But do you have access to Outline or no.
Speaker 4: I do have access to Outlook, But doesn't that don't
Speaker 4: you have to have multiple each multiple tabs opened for
Speaker 4: each email address.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're trying to get everything in like one unified inbox.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, that's okay, okay, not not separated, got it? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that definitely, Uh, that might that might cancel out Outlook
Speaker 1: in that case. Okay, Well, I think that the mail
Speaker 1: does combine them. I think that might be the best
Speaker 1: way to go then, because I think that's going to
Speaker 1: be your your best bet. I would check that out
Speaker 1: see if it works. And the IMAP thing, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: really confused as to why you're paying because IMAP is
Speaker 1: a very standard that's a very standard way of accessing
Speaker 1: web email accounts, and so I'm not sure why you're
Speaker 1: having to pay to do that unless you're Unless you're
Speaker 1: paying go daddy. I mean they you know, they may
Speaker 1: charge you for each email account, like I have websites
Speaker 1: that you have to pay, So that makes that makes sense.
Speaker 1: If they're charging you for the the IMAP, you know,
Speaker 1: email inbox, that make a lot of sense. But otherwise I'll.
Speaker 4: Pay for that. But in order for thunder they're saying,
Speaker 4: in order for Thunderbird Mozilla to to get it, I
Speaker 4: have to have an extension or the something something. It's like, okay, oh,
Speaker 4: I'll take a look at mail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take a look at mail and uh. And also
Speaker 1: I would not discount the fact that you can just
Speaker 1: use Gmail and put your emails in there, and I
Speaker 1: do that with a lot of with a lot of
Speaker 1: my email addresses as well. They all come to the
Speaker 1: same place. Another thing you can do is ask GoDaddy
Speaker 1: to just forward your email to another email address, and
Speaker 1: that way you can just get those all in one
Speaker 1: email box, no matter where you use that. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of ways to do this, but I think
Speaker 1: when it comes to the clients, it's really just a
Speaker 1: matter of downloading a couple that you look at and
Speaker 1: see and see which ones work for you, like for like,
Speaker 1: for me, if I'm looking at Thunderbird like it's may,
Speaker 1: it's maybe not a program that I'd want to use personally,
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of depends on what you're what
Speaker 1: you're looking feel is that you like for a program.
Speaker 1: I personally like accessing everything from the web. It's just
Speaker 1: simpler and I can do it on my phone as well.
Speaker 1: So good call, Thanks a lot, John, appreciate it. More
Speaker 1: of your calls coming up next at Triple eight rich
Speaker 1: one oh one. You can find me online at rich
Speaker 1: On Tech, and coming up we're talking to Brian Tongue
Speaker 1: about Apple Vision Pro. We're gonna head up to Coopertino
Speaker 1: to do that. See you right back in a minute.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich On Tech. Rich DeMuro here on
Speaker 1: location in Cooper Tino at the campus of Apple for
Speaker 1: ww DC joining me. This is your third time on
Speaker 1: the show. Count it up, Brian Tong YouTube extraordinary Brian,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me.
Speaker 6: Am I the guest that's been on your show the most,
Speaker 6: so the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's an r. You're the guestest with the
Speaker 1: most Yeah. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. Rich is awesome. Fun to be
Speaker 6: here at Apple Park. Always there's like a different energy,
Speaker 6: especially when they reveal a new product category for them,
Speaker 6: and we got it.
Speaker 1: So okay. So, so I've talked about this Apple Vision Pro,
Speaker 1: but you and I actually got to try this. We
Speaker 1: did the demo and this was for selected folks here
Speaker 1: at the event, and my mind is blown away. It
Speaker 1: is really incredible. But I also understand that this is
Speaker 1: just the beginning. So what's your initial reaction to Apple
Speaker 1: Vision Pro trying.
Speaker 6: I laughed multiple times. I laughed more times. I got
Speaker 6: up and kind of like just ran around the table
Speaker 6: just to see how it feels. Because a lot of times,
Speaker 6: when you're wearing any type of headset, you don't trust this,
Speaker 6: even if it's kind of a black and white, fuzzy
Speaker 6: version of the world. You don't trust it this Obviously,
Speaker 6: We've many people talk about the highest fidelity, the richest
Speaker 6: color we've ever seen in a headset, the highest resolution,
Speaker 6: the UI and the user interface, a vision OS. I
Speaker 6: don't think people are talking about that team enough of
Speaker 6: what they did and then the experiences they showed us.
Speaker 6: Maybe what ten percent of this thing can do. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and again, this is a product that you can't know.
Speaker 6: Anyone that's listening or even seeing our videos. It will
Speaker 6: never translate how it is when you're inside of it.
Speaker 6: There's nothing like I've ever experienced before. I've tried pretty
Speaker 6: much every VR headset. This is not a VR. This
Speaker 6: is more of an AR experience primarily.
Speaker 1: Did you notice, by the way, Apple never said those words.
Speaker 6: Yes, I know it's spatial computing rich, that's the buzzword.
Speaker 1: But it is. I mean, this is the thing. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things to break down with this.
Speaker 1: Number One, you did exactly what I did. I got
Speaker 1: up and I walked around that room. Now I've tried
Speaker 1: that with some other headsets and you can't. It's possible,
Speaker 1: but it's not really possible. This. I got up, I
Speaker 1: look down at my foot, I hit the table just
Speaker 1: to see like how far it was. There was no
Speaker 1: latency whatsoever. And I think the magic here is that
Speaker 1: somehow they nailed bridging the real with the virtual a
Speaker 1: in a way we've never seen before.
Speaker 6: And it's all, you know, as they talked about and
Speaker 6: we've known this for the past year's Apple Silicon is
Speaker 6: the genius, is the brains, is the engine behind all this,
Speaker 6: and it has completely opened up their ability to do
Speaker 6: something like this in a form factor like that, and
Speaker 6: it just you know, you hear all these rumors, and
Speaker 6: sometimes rumors can set your expectations. How about the fact
Speaker 6: that they blew every expectation out of the water with
Speaker 6: the at least the experience. I do have comments about
Speaker 6: how it feels, you know, the weight of it all,
Speaker 6: but it I don't know. I've just talked about or
Speaker 6: trying to explain it. Sometimes that speech is I just
Speaker 6: laughed at I said that was just stupid, and they
Speaker 6: were laughing, I mean saying, I was like, this is stupid.
Speaker 1: I laughed. I laughed as well, like I was sitting
Speaker 1: there like because it's one of these things. It's almost
Speaker 1: like that experience of feeling something new for the first time,
Speaker 1: where you're sitting there and like I was looking at
Speaker 1: my hands, I was kind of just looking at the
Speaker 1: op system, just kind of looking around, because you look
Speaker 1: inside this headset at what you want to select, and
Speaker 1: then you just pinch your fingers together and it selects it.
Speaker 1: So they nailed the operating system. We looked at pictures
Speaker 1: in three D and videos. What aspect were you most
Speaker 1: impressed with in the demo?
Speaker 6: Absolutely the selection and the see people that a lot
Speaker 6: of people haven't even had a headset experience in general,
Speaker 6: and a lot of people have not had a headset
Speaker 6: experience with emotion tracking. Now, the actual PSVR two does
Speaker 6: a really amazing job of emotion tracking. Quite honestly, the
Speaker 6: response miss is the same, but the OS is not
Speaker 6: built for it. It only works in certain games, so
Speaker 6: you don't get to like live this emotion tracking selection
Speaker 6: world constantly. With the Apple Vision Pro, you're constantly doing
Speaker 6: it and it becomes so second nature. I know my
Speaker 6: mom could use this if she jumped in. If she
Speaker 6: jumped in a lot of times when they say, oh,
Speaker 6: you have to hold your hands in this general area
Speaker 6: to do this gesture. Nah, and then the fact that
Speaker 6: this these gestures, I was watching some of the developer videos.
Speaker 6: Developers is gonna be able to make their own custom
Speaker 6: gestures for their own games. Oh wow, this is going
Speaker 6: to open up a lot more interactivity when we're like, well,
Speaker 6: how are you going to control these games with your
Speaker 6: hands and your fingers? That's I mean, you talk to
Speaker 6: some developers and I cannot wait to see what happens
Speaker 6: with this canvas of basically unlimited potential. We were talking
Speaker 6: in superlatives right now, but it's so appropriate. It's so appropriate,
Speaker 6: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Now. You mentioned the weight and feel on your head,
Speaker 1: so I it was a little bit heavier than I expected.
Speaker 1: I think that that's a that's easily improvable over the years.
Speaker 1: That's something that will just take a little bit of time.
Speaker 1: But the comfort level was there, the clarity was there,
Speaker 1: and again for a first outing product, they really did
Speaker 1: a good job. It does exceed expectations. And it's one
Speaker 1: of these things where I'm reading all the comments from people,
Speaker 1: the hot takes that are coming in from social media,
Speaker 1: and people are like, rich, how can you have an
Speaker 1: opinion on this, Like, give me a break, it's too expensive.
Speaker 1: But I think what we're missing here is that this
Speaker 1: is an entirely new way to compute that we've been
Speaker 1: promised for years and now this is the beginning of it.
Speaker 6: I think everyone is so fixated on the price, but
Speaker 6: you have, let's strip that away for a second look
Speaker 6: at the technology. And it's different because we have been
Speaker 6: fortunate enough to actually experience it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: Even before I experience it, I'm like, that is worth it.
Speaker 6: And then when I experienced I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: this is crazy. And I'm not even saying that I'm
Speaker 6: going to spend that money. You know, I do review
Speaker 6: tech for a living. Will I buy it to review it? Yes,
Speaker 6: But if you ask me right now today what I
Speaker 6: throw down thirty five hundred dollars for it, I'm they
Speaker 6: really pushed me to the edge, but I'm still like,
Speaker 6: I'm going to wait and see. And part of it
Speaker 6: was just because for me, the comfort I had kind
Speaker 6: of three or four ideas going into it.
Speaker 1: I wanted.
Speaker 6: I was hoping it would be the lightest kind of
Speaker 6: headset we've ever felt. Because we heard about the reports
Speaker 6: of the battery pack being separate, I was hoping that
Speaker 6: would be a highest fidelity I've ever seen in a
Speaker 6: had said that delivered on that. I was hoping that
Speaker 6: we'd get experiences that we've never seen before. It delivered
Speaker 6: on that, and a UI and a user interface that
Speaker 6: was just smooth like butter, And it.
Speaker 1: Delivered on that.
Speaker 6: So three of those four right, and like you said,
Speaker 6: it's going to get better. So I don't, at least initially,
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm going to be able to
Speaker 6: watch a two hour movie with it, because quite honestly,
Speaker 6: that's one of the killer apps for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 6: We've seen all the images at least of the strap
Speaker 6: in the back, but it's also a modular where there's
Speaker 6: a strap on top that they did not shove a
Speaker 6: little still the scenes, which is also for weight distribution.
Speaker 6: Right by putting that strap on the top, it pulls
Speaker 6: it back. And so I don't know about you. I
Speaker 6: do feel the weight is a little more heavy on
Speaker 6: the front, and I think part of it is because
Speaker 6: it's so sleek. A lot of these other headsets, different designs,
Speaker 6: different purposes. The battery on the back does counterweight it
Speaker 6: and kind of pull it back down, and so that's
Speaker 6: a design choice that they made.
Speaker 1: It's not horrible, I'm not saying that, but after one.
Speaker 6: I was like maybe ten to fifteen minutes and I
Speaker 6: started feeling the weight because I've worn a lot of these,
Speaker 6: and so my first thing right when I started feeling
Speaker 6: I'm like, wait, am I going to feel this two
Speaker 6: hours in for a movie? Probably? But the experience at
Speaker 6: us is so good that I might be willing to
Speaker 6: overlook it because the experience is so good.
Speaker 1: And I you and I've covered tech for how long?
Speaker 6: Many twenty plus years, and so I think you and
Speaker 6: I have this per se. Like I was going to
Speaker 6: talk about some other podcasts, but I was almost like
Speaker 6: I was so joyful. I was like about, it's so stupid,
Speaker 6: but I was about to tear up because, like, I
Speaker 6: can't believe what we're seeing, seeing how tech has evolved
Speaker 6: all these years, and this something that you and I
Speaker 6: genuinely love it.
Speaker 1: It's something that'll do, it's something it's after all these years,
Speaker 1: you're still experiencing something that's brand new. And by the way,
Speaker 1: we're just at the beginning. So imagine in five years when,
Speaker 1: by the way, the weight is a lot less, the
Speaker 1: cost is a lot less. The features, I mean just
Speaker 1: the features that I saw watching the movie, flipping through
Speaker 1: the pictures, and it was all so simple. Like when
Speaker 1: I was doing the hand gestures, it wasn't like I
Speaker 1: had to learn something new or where the buttons were
Speaker 1: or where the you know, how to do things. You
Speaker 1: looked at what you wanted to do, and then you pulled,
Speaker 1: you moved. It was just like we imagined the future
Speaker 1: would be.
Speaker 6: Think about this. A lot of people have talked about
Speaker 6: for years about oh, what is Apple without Steve Jobs?
Speaker 6: And there's DNA of course through the history of this
Speaker 6: company that is in this product. But they've squashed that
Speaker 6: talk now that you know they're not as innovative as
Speaker 6: they were without Steve Jobs.
Speaker 1: I think that's talked.
Speaker 6: You can push that aside because this is the most
Speaker 6: innovative thing we have seen, quite honestly, from almost any
Speaker 6: tech company. Ah, it's exciting. It's an exciting time, my friends.
Speaker 6: I'm staring in the air and smiling because it was.
Speaker 6: It was a joyful experience.
Speaker 1: Well, you got to wait another couple of months before
Speaker 1: you can actually get this thing again, because early twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four they haven't said when. Yeah, but we're already
Speaker 1: trying to guess when that might be. Starting started already
Speaker 1: at thirty four ninety and that doesn't include tax. But
Speaker 1: here's the deal again, this is not something that we're
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and say you have to get day one.
Speaker 1: You will know if you're the person that wants to
Speaker 1: get at day one, and if you have the means
Speaker 1: to do that, by all means, it's going to be amazing, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1: Brian Tong, How can folks find you online?
Speaker 6: The main place? Go to YouTube dot com slash Briantong.
Speaker 6: I cover tech a lot of Apple, Samsung, Google TV's headphones,
Speaker 6: whatever it is. I love tech, but I do a
Speaker 6: lot in the Apple sphere and then on Twitter. Brian
Speaker 6: Tong got a podcast. Do just look me up. If
Speaker 6: the search engines work the way they're supposed to do,
Speaker 6: you'll find me.
Speaker 1: Brian Tong, thanks so much for joining me on the show.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Rich, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Buddy more Rich on Tech coming your way right after this.
Speaker 1: So many things to get to in the show this week,
Speaker 1: many many announcements. We'll get to iOS seventeen, some new
Speaker 1: features coming there. We've got some more information about Samsung's
Speaker 1: next event, which I believe I'll be going to. That's
Speaker 1: very exciting. Then We've got this new scam that involves
Speaker 1: restaurant reservations. But first let's go to Susan online one
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica. Susan, you're on with Rich.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, Rich, thank you. I love you. I
Speaker 7: love your show. You your demeanor is just absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1: Thank you well, thank you.
Speaker 7: I just love your show. I was a little nervous
Speaker 7: when when you started, and you know, but you're just fantastic.
Speaker 7: Thank you. Well.
Speaker 1: I was nervous when I started. I'm still nervoussparent wonderful,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what can I help you? I'm buying. I'm choosing
Speaker 7: a television for a friend. He's eighty five years old.
Speaker 7: He lives up north, so I'll be helping him set
Speaker 7: it up over the phone. And he we used to
Speaker 7: buy everything from Costco. Costco does not carry video anymore.
Speaker 7: I really like video. I have a video. He had
Speaker 7: a video. Customer support is great with video, so I
Speaker 7: just thought to keep things simple, I should probably stick
Speaker 7: with a video. So one of my questions is going
Speaker 7: to be if you think I should get it from
Speaker 7: Amazon Prime or Video Direct. But until we get to
Speaker 7: where I buy it, I have two models. I'm comparing.
Speaker 7: They're both twenty twenty threes. They're both forty three inch.
Speaker 7: One is the V series V like Victor, and the
Speaker 7: other is the M series. Do you want the two
Speaker 7: model numbers?
Speaker 1: I don't need the model numbers. Twenty twenty threes, okay,
Speaker 1: So you've got the V series and the M series
Speaker 1: of the video.
Speaker 7: Yeah, twenty twenty three, right, and one of them. The
Speaker 7: only difference I know of, there's two differences I know of.
Speaker 7: One is a Q lead, which I know nothing about
Speaker 7: the O And the other thing is that the Q lead,
Speaker 7: which obviously is more money, has smaller speakers, and the
Speaker 7: M series that's cheaper, has larger speakers. Not much of
Speaker 7: a difference. Eight watts compared to nine watts divided by
Speaker 7: two speakers. I really, my old old video has eight
Speaker 7: watts and they're fantastic speakers.
Speaker 1: And is the M series a little bit more expensive?
Speaker 7: I'm assuming it will be yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, because the M a V. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this if it stands for value, but I believe the
Speaker 1: V is the lower end of the two.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely lower end.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I mean, what's what's the deciding factor is
Speaker 1: at the price.
Speaker 7: Of these two q let important. The V is not
Speaker 7: a q.
Speaker 1: Let them right, The V is not gonna Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the q let is going to have a slightly better
Speaker 1: display technology, you know, from more angles, it's going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit brighter. Four K by the way, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's pretty standard nowadays. So what what
Speaker 1: is important to the person you're buying the TV for?
Speaker 7: Well, it's really more Well he wanted he wanted four k. Uh,
Speaker 7: he doesn't know, he does. I mean I was ready
Speaker 7: to get a ten.
Speaker 4: A d P.
Speaker 7: I didn't even realize that you've got to get the
Speaker 7: four K.
Speaker 1: Now, So well, I mean, yeah, you don't need the
Speaker 1: four K. But almost every TV he has it nowadays.
Speaker 7: Here's a LEAD and what is the other one? O LEAD?
Speaker 1: Well, the OLEAD is better than q LEAD. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's LED, there's q l ED, there's micro LED, there
Speaker 1: is O LEAD. I mean, there's so many different types
Speaker 1: of display technologies, but O LEAD is really the best.
Speaker 1: All the rest are just an LCD technology, so they
Speaker 1: all use the same technology. It's just a lot of
Speaker 1: it is the type of pixels they're using, how many
Speaker 1: they're using, and also the back lighting of that TV.
Speaker 1: The more backlighting you have, the more the picture pops
Speaker 1: in different places.
Speaker 7: You knowing from a twenty two inch twenty year old
Speaker 7: video or something, so he's gonna love or a five
Speaker 7: year old Samsung. It's just either seven eighty or ten. Okay,
Speaker 7: he's gonna love it.
Speaker 1: Susan, I think I think you.
Speaker 7: Just answered your own question you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think you just.
Speaker 7: I think you just answered. Just get whichever one I want.
Speaker 1: Know what about this, I would say front, Well, the speakers, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's definitely a consideration. So the speakers on
Speaker 1: TVs are traditionally not very good. Because you're saying that
Speaker 1: your speakers on your video are good, then you know,
Speaker 1: I think you'll be okay there. I was going to suggest,
Speaker 1: you know, with the with the Roku TVs, you can
Speaker 1: add an extra speaker very easily. They have like this
Speaker 1: wireless speaker that works really nicely. But look, if you're
Speaker 1: set on these video TVs, is there you can't see
Speaker 1: them in a store. Huh, that's the problem. You can't
Speaker 1: go and see them. Can you go to like a
Speaker 1: best Buy and check them out?
Speaker 7: No? But I'm assuming it's pretty much the way my
Speaker 7: mine is five years old and they look pretty similar.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the speakers though, can be you know,
Speaker 1: depending on the placement of them, they can be very
Speaker 1: different sounding. That's the only sound, right, So you know
Speaker 1: the look I think overall, the difference, well, there's I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a difference there. But I think that the reality
Speaker 1: is one of these is more of a value oriented set.
Speaker 1: One is a higher end set. So if you want,
Speaker 1: you know, the best that you can get at this
Speaker 1: price point, then I would go with the M. If
Speaker 1: you feel like it's not going to be that big
Speaker 1: of a deal and you think that, I mean, look
Speaker 1: what I tell people when they're upgrading from TVs. Ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the time they're upgrading from a TV that's
Speaker 1: ten years old. Anything they get is going to be better,
Speaker 1: especially in this case, you're telling me he has a
Speaker 1: very old set. So I think either one is going
Speaker 1: to be fine. I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if the audio is horrible on this set and he
Speaker 1: just can't hear it or he's having trouble, you can
Speaker 1: easily add of a sound bar for under one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars that will change everything. So I would just go
Speaker 1: with whatever one you think if it's one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: more for the better one, maybe just go with the
Speaker 1: better one because he's going to be keeping this for
Speaker 1: you know, another five ten years, and so if you
Speaker 1: do the math, it's it's a pretty good value there. So,
Speaker 1: but in general, the video stuff is nice, and you know,
Speaker 1: I like their operating system. It's a it's a good
Speaker 1: In fact, they're you know, Irvine company, so you know,
Speaker 1: local to California as well. So I'm glad that you're
Speaker 1: doing this form. Susan, thank you so much for doing
Speaker 1: that for your friend. Great question. TVs are always, you know,
Speaker 1: it's always one of these things where it's an impulse
Speaker 1: by I've got a visio in my like kind of
Speaker 1: den playroom and it's fine. It's got HDR. It was
Speaker 1: very inexpensive. I picked it up. It was a forty
Speaker 1: three inch. I picked it up at Costco back when
Speaker 1: they sold them at Costco. Now I use it with
Speaker 1: an external speaker, so I can't really vouch for the
Speaker 1: speaker quality, but it's been great and it works just fine.
Speaker 1: So a good question there. All right, let me tell
Speaker 1: you about this scam real quick involving open table and
Speaker 1: your restaurant reservations. So I got an email from open
Speaker 1: Table saying there's an increase in scams targeting diners and
Speaker 1: the hospitality industry. So apparently people are calling people asking
Speaker 1: to pretending they're a restaurant and asking for your credit
Speaker 1: card details, often saying you need to request a deposit
Speaker 1: for a reservation, and it sounds far fetched. You're like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, you don't need a reservation. You don't
Speaker 1: need a deposit for a restaurant reservation. But a lot
Speaker 1: of restaurants, especially in the popular areas, are now requiring
Speaker 1: not a deposit per se, but a credit card number.
Speaker 1: So it's very easy to say, oh, hey, we're calling
Speaker 1: from this restaurant and we need your your credit card number,
Speaker 1: and you give it to them, thinking oh, that's kind
Speaker 1: of odd, but you give it and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: they're stealing your information. So just be very careful. Typically,
Speaker 1: if you're using open table, you're going through open table
Speaker 1: itself and you're putting your credit card info through there.
Speaker 1: But just be aware this is now happening new scam
Speaker 1: where someone will call saying they're from a restaurant and
Speaker 1: they want your credit card details. If you're in doubt,
Speaker 1: hang up, call the restaurant directly and then say, hey,
Speaker 1: did you call and ask me for this? Don't call
Speaker 1: back the number that they called you from, because it's
Speaker 1: probably a scam too. You're listening to rich on Tech
Speaker 1: Triple eight rich one on one eight eight eight seven
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Speaker 1: show coming up after this. Welcome back to rich on Tech.
Speaker 1: Rich Demiro here hanging out with you, broadcasting live from
Speaker 1: Alie Saul Ranch in Santa Barbara Wine Country. What a
Speaker 1: place to be broadcasting beautiful, beautiful area. Sun's not out,
Speaker 1: but you know, California has been seeing some interesting weather
Speaker 1: over the past six months. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but it's still beautiful and it's still very relaxing, and
Speaker 1: I'm quite impressed that we're able to do the show
Speaker 1: from here because it's a place where people come to
Speaker 1: disconnect from all technology. But somehow here we are very
Speaker 1: much connected. Phone lines are open at Triple eight rich
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Speaker 1: at Richontech dot TV. Let's go to line two. Michael
Speaker 1: in Thousand Oaks. Michael, you have a comment about the
Speaker 1: Vision Pro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more of a question. So a long time ago,
Speaker 2: when I or iTunes still had DRM, I kind of
Speaker 2: chose the Google or the Android system. I went forward
Speaker 2: from that. So I've never been attached to Apple, but
Speaker 2: it's sounds like this new headset is kind of a
Speaker 2: game changer, and I wouldn't mind getting into it. It's
Speaker 2: just how hard would it be to integrate everything that
Speaker 2: I like, whether it's Google Photos or Gmail or you know,
Speaker 2: anything like that into the new Apple ecosystem.
Speaker 1: Oh good question. So that's a great question because you're
Speaker 1: you're talking to a guy who does use the iPhone
Speaker 1: as his primary device, but has a loyalty to Google
Speaker 1: products and services that I really enjoy. And so I
Speaker 1: am using most of those things that you just talked about,
Speaker 1: whether it is, you know, Google Photos, whether it's Gmail,
Speaker 1: and so all of it works on the iPhone and
Speaker 1: on Apple products. Some of it is just not as
Speaker 1: good as it is on the Android side. And the
Speaker 1: two operating systems are very different. So Android let's developers
Speaker 1: have a lot more leeway with what they can do
Speaker 1: and how apps can interact with each other, and what
Speaker 1: apps can do and all these different things, whereas iOS
Speaker 1: is at its heart very much sandboxed, which means all
Speaker 1: apps sort of have to run in their own little area,
Speaker 1: and yes they can interact with other apps, but it's
Speaker 1: very much in a controlled manner that Apple allows. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, when you open up a link for a
Speaker 1: YouTube video, ninety percent of the time on the Android,
Speaker 1: it's just going to open up in the YouTube app.
Speaker 1: But if you open up a link for a YouTube
Speaker 1: video on an iPhone, ninety percent of the time, it's
Speaker 1: going to open up in its own little tiny web
Speaker 1: browser inside the app that you're using, and it may
Speaker 1: not connect to your account. So let's say you want
Speaker 1: to go back later on on your YouTube history and
Speaker 1: see you know that you watch that video, it may
Speaker 1: not appear on there on the iPhone because you're not
Speaker 1: logged in, because it's using like a separate web browser
Speaker 1: to do that. So it's just little nuances like that.
Speaker 1: But overall, Michael, I think that the transition would be
Speaker 1: a little rocky, but I think that everything does work,
Speaker 1: and believe me, it can work harmoniously. It's just not
Speaker 1: in the same way that if you were using all
Speaker 1: of Apple stuff. I always joke with the iPhone, you know,
Speaker 1: and the way Apple does stuff that you know, their
Speaker 1: ideal is that you're using almost all of their own stuff.
Speaker 1: And they've gotten a little bit better about this. But
Speaker 1: traditionally the iPhone, the features that Apple builds into it,
Speaker 1: they sort of work best. Gosh, like they use their
Speaker 1: own stuff to their advantage, you know, like the music
Speaker 1: app works really well, the notes app works really well,
Speaker 1: the reminders works really well with Siri, and they've tried
Speaker 1: to open things up over the years, but I just
Speaker 1: don't know if it's to the extent of the open
Speaker 1: and sort of free system that Google has going on
Speaker 1: with Android. Now, look, this is an ongoing debate. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to sit here and tell you one's better
Speaker 1: than the other. I think they both very much have
Speaker 1: their their pros and cons, and some people are die
Speaker 1: hard Android, some people are die hard iPhone. The one
Speaker 1: thing I will say that I do not that I
Speaker 1: really really disagree with when it comes to what Apple
Speaker 1: has done is I Message. And I know people love
Speaker 1: I Message, but I am not a fan of the
Speaker 1: fact that Apple has sort of broken this cross platform
Speaker 1: communication between all phones in the world. So ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of phones in the world use something called RCS,
Speaker 1: which is a modern text messaging protocol which can give
Speaker 1: you you know, you can send through large videos, photos,
Speaker 1: you can get read you know, indicators and typing indicators.
Speaker 1: But Apple has decided to take your phone number and
Speaker 1: make it their own I Message thing. And so that's
Speaker 1: the one thing I do take issue with. I really
Speaker 1: don't like that fact because people that are on I Message,
Speaker 1: sure it's great, it's amazing, but when you start to
Speaker 1: text cross platform between I Message and Android, it gets
Speaker 1: a little messy. And Apple has the means to make
Speaker 1: it not messy, but they have so far chosen not
Speaker 1: to do that. So good question, Michael. I wouldn't switch
Speaker 1: over just yet. I think you've got some time to
Speaker 1: figure it out. But yes, you are right. And this
Speaker 1: is why Apple continues to come up with these game
Speaker 1: changing products because they know that eventually it will have
Speaker 1: that halo effect of getting people in their ecosystem. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Apple products work really well with each other. They do. Okay,
Speaker 1: since we're talking about Apple, let me tell you what's
Speaker 1: coming up on iOS seventeen. This is the new version
Speaker 1: of the software that Apple unveiled at WWDC. They showed
Speaker 1: off a whole bunch of new features. So I guess
Speaker 1: first things first, I'm going to tell you the bad news.
Speaker 1: The bad news is there's a couple of phones that
Speaker 1: will not be getting the update to iOS seventeen, which
Speaker 1: means it's the end of the line for major software
Speaker 1: operating system upgrades for these phones. And the three phones
Speaker 1: that it affects are the iPhone, the iPhone eight plus,
Speaker 1: and the iPhone ten. Those phones will not be getting
Speaker 1: iOS seventeen. So the ten are and up will be
Speaker 1: getting iOS seventeen. And yes, it does include the second
Speaker 1: generation iPhone se so if you have that, that's like
Speaker 1: the last phone with a home button that will be
Speaker 1: getting iOS seventeen. And that just came out a couple
Speaker 1: years ago, so it's pretty new anyway. But if you
Speaker 1: have the iPhone eight, eight plus or ten, you will
Speaker 1: not be getting iOS seventeen. Now, what I'm not clear
Speaker 1: on is if you will continue to get security updates
Speaker 1: for another year or two. You may because Apple recently
Speaker 1: with iOS sixteen, divided the operating system updates from the
Speaker 1: security updates, so you may still get security updates. You
Speaker 1: don't have to like toss your phone in the trash today,
Speaker 1: all right. Couple new features in iOS seventeen number one
Speaker 1: Live voicemail. This means that you can see a real
Speaker 1: time transcription as someone is leaving a voicemail and you
Speaker 1: can decide if you want to pick that up. FaceTime
Speaker 1: will support audio and video messages, so if someone doesn't
Speaker 1: pick up FaceTime, you can leave them a message and
Speaker 1: also an I message. Is a new feature called check in.
Speaker 1: This is a safety feature, so when you're leaving something
Speaker 1: like a bar or school or wherever and you want
Speaker 1: to tell a friend or family member when you're going
Speaker 1: to get home, you don't have to do this manual anymore.
Speaker 1: You can just say set a check in, and when
Speaker 1: you get to your destination, they will see they will
Speaker 1: get a text that has information that you've arrived safely.
Speaker 1: If you go off course or you don't arrive in
Speaker 1: a reasonable amount of time, they will get a text
Speaker 1: that gives you information, gives them information about you. So
Speaker 1: they'll get the device's location, the battery level of your phone,
Speaker 1: and your cell phone service status so that they can say, like, huh,
Speaker 1: it's odd, I guess they went to someone else's house
Speaker 1: or where are they what's going on? And they can
Speaker 1: take action. A new feature called name Drop is a
Speaker 1: play on air drop, so you can bump two iPhones
Speaker 1: together or an iPhone in an Apple Watch and exchange
Speaker 1: contact information, which I think is a really really cool feature.
Speaker 1: I wish that was just built into every phone, but
Speaker 1: I guess it will be for iPhones. Let's see what else.
Speaker 1: Autocorrect is getting better. I know there's this big A
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about it on their Instagram
Speaker 1: and memes and stuff, where it will now allow you
Speaker 1: to use swear words. It won't automatically correct those to
Speaker 1: a non swear word, and people are celebrating that. But
Speaker 1: I guess I just don't swear in my texts enough
Speaker 1: to be appreciative of that. But people are really really
Speaker 1: excited about that feature. Then there's this thing called standby,
Speaker 1: and this is when your phone is on its side
Speaker 1: and charging, it will display personalized information like your photos
Speaker 1: or a calendar or anything else. It's got a lot
Speaker 1: of different options. With the iPhone fourteen Pro, which has
Speaker 1: the always on display, you'll always see it. On the
Speaker 1: other phones, you'll just have to tap the screen to
Speaker 1: see it. Then they've got this new journaling app. It's
Speaker 1: called Journal and This is really smart. It's kind of
Speaker 1: a health app. It will help you practice gratitude through journaling,
Speaker 1: which they say has been shown to improve your well
Speaker 1: being and I do believe that. But it does something
Speaker 1: a little bit smarter. It will pull from things like
Speaker 1: your GPS and your photos to kind of suggest starter
Speaker 1: journal entries. And of course this is all encrypted in private,
Speaker 1: as only Apple does. Screen Time will now tell you
Speaker 1: when you're using your phone too much, so it's going
Speaker 1: to try to help you avoid some eye issues. So
Speaker 1: if you're holding your phone really close to your face
Speaker 1: more than twelve inches for an extended period of time,
Speaker 1: it's going to warn you and say, hey, you might
Speaker 1: want to pull that phone back or take a break
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Air tags can now be shared
Speaker 1: with other people, which is nice. So if you have
Speaker 1: air tags, you can share their location with friends and family.
Speaker 1: Let's see what else. Oh, Siri is now just Siri.
Speaker 1: You don't have to say hey, Siri anymore. Now you
Speaker 1: can just say Siri. And again that's in iOS seventeen.
Speaker 1: And there's a feature in photos that will now allow
Speaker 1: you to recognize your dog and your caps you can
Speaker 1: make an album for them. And finally, did I already say. Finally,
Speaker 1: one more thing is called sensitive Content Warning. This will
Speaker 1: help you avoid seeing unwanted nude images and videos. So
Speaker 1: it will screen the pictures that come in and the
Speaker 1: videos that come in on your phone, especially through text messages,
Speaker 1: and it will say, it will blur them out and say,
Speaker 1: h some nudity in here. Do you want to see this?
Speaker 1: And that can help protect you from unwanted nude pictures.
Speaker 1: And yes, that is a thing. People send these things
Speaker 1: day and night, every day, and again I guess it's
Speaker 1: not something that I send, so I just don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of experience with that, but it is a
Speaker 1: nice safety protection. All right. There you have it. New
Speaker 1: features coming to iOS seventeen in the fall. There will
Speaker 1: be a public beta coming I believe next month, So
Speaker 1: if you really want to try those out a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier, there is an opportunity to do that, although
Speaker 1: I only recommend doing that if you know what you're
Speaker 1: doing with your phone. Coming up on the show, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk to some award winning app developers. We're
Speaker 1: going to head back up to WWDC and talk to
Speaker 1: some developers of the app Flighty and another tennis app
Speaker 1: that uses AI to check out your swing and give
Speaker 1: you some information about that. Phone lines are open at
Speaker 1: Triple eight rich one on one. You are listening to
Speaker 1: Rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich
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Speaker 1: We've been talking a lot about this Apple Vision Pro,
Speaker 1: this new VR headset, and I'm just curious what you think, like,
Speaker 1: are you gonna switch? Are you gonna pay? I mean,
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred dollars is a lot of money. And
Speaker 1: not only is it a lot of money, the way
Speaker 1: that I think of things is you got to divide
Speaker 1: it up by how much you're gonna use this thing. Right,
Speaker 1: So when I buy my laptop computer, yeah it's expensive,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna use it for three years, and then
Speaker 1: gonna give it to a family member who's gonna use
Speaker 1: it for another three years, and then you know, on
Speaker 1: and on, and you do the math on that, and
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good value. But thirty five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: for a first generation product, by the way, plus tax
Speaker 1: plus accessories, are they gonna have Apple care on this thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, so I did the math. I've got to
Speaker 1: save up about one hundred and fifty dollars for the
Speaker 1: next think about thirty nine weeks forty weeks before this
Speaker 1: thing comes out or whatever it is till January. That
Speaker 1: was my goal. And so I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just one of these things where I don't want
Speaker 1: to pay that money, but I kind of want to
Speaker 1: have this thing. So we'll say, let's go to line one.
Speaker 1: Nile is in Clover City, California. Nile. You're on with Rich.
Speaker 5: Hey, Rich, first time caller, longtime listener. Well, I know
Speaker 5: show he's kind of brand new, but I've been listening
Speaker 5: to you as the text show for the longest time.
Speaker 5: But I have a question about Apple Vision pro on
Speaker 5: what you think, you know for the future application on
Speaker 5: somebody that has a stick because the more impairment with
Speaker 5: their eyes, will it be you know, useful for some
Speaker 5: of them has a problem with seeing long distance or
Speaker 5: you know or reading classes.
Speaker 3: To the correct your vision.
Speaker 1: Great question, and this is something that I talked to
Speaker 1: Apple about. So I did my demo, which was I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very you know, Apple is is very buttoned up
Speaker 1: when they do all of this stuff, they have it
Speaker 1: all figured out, so you go into this. They built
Speaker 1: this new facility just to demo this device, and it's
Speaker 1: on their campus and I imagine it'll be there for
Speaker 1: the next six months because they're probably gonna have people
Speaker 1: coming in to demo these things throughout the next six months.
Speaker 1: Uh So I did my demo, and after my demo,
Speaker 1: I got to sit down with some Apple people to
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, any questions I have. And one
Speaker 1: of the big questions a lot of people have is
Speaker 1: what does this mean for people with vision accessibility issues?
Speaker 1: And Apple has really been on the forefront of many
Speaker 1: many accessibility features and they are one percent committed to
Speaker 1: making this work for as many types of vision abilities
Speaker 1: as there are out there, and that ranges from low
Speaker 1: vision to partial vision to seeing issues, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's prescription glasses, whether it is you know, I even
Speaker 1: had a question of if someone has only vision in
Speaker 1: one eye, will it work. They didn't give me the
Speaker 1: answers to all of these things, but they said they
Speaker 1: have an entire team that is working to make sure
Speaker 1: that this is going to be an incredible solution for
Speaker 1: people that have different vision issues. And so when I
Speaker 1: went in there, and I don't wear glasses, but when
Speaker 1: I went in there, they actually did a quick little
Speaker 1: vision assessment to say, hey, you know, do you wear
Speaker 1: prescription glasses? And they had some lenses there that people
Speaker 1: were able to put on. Now, from what I've heard,
Speaker 1: the lenses are going to be an add on for
Speaker 1: at least prescription lenses, and it will be you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know the price just yet, but you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard numbers being thrown out there. But this is
Speaker 1: a highly personalized product. So when I asked the question
Speaker 1: can I share this with someone else in my household,
Speaker 1: it's really personalized because they measure the fit of your
Speaker 1: face on this this light seal that they've got, and
Speaker 1: so it'll come in a whole bunch of different sizes,
Speaker 1: so it's really personalized just for you. And then of
Speaker 1: course it scans your irises to unlock, which is another
Speaker 1: interesting feature. But niall a great question. I think that
Speaker 1: Apple is going to really really think about how this
Speaker 1: can can open up new worlds for people with low
Speaker 1: vision and varying vision abilities, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: really great thing. And just seeing this technology in person,
Speaker 1: it's quite incredible, and I think that it should be
Speaker 1: shared with as many people as possible and hopefully they
Speaker 1: do get that price down. So thanks for calling today.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. All right, switching gearsh Oh, you're still there.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, I didn't know you're still on there. Switching gears. Here,
Speaker 1: Let's let me talk about I know, I know, I've
Speaker 1: said so much Apple stuff. So if you're listening and
Speaker 1: you're like, rich enough of the Apple stuff, I get it.
Speaker 1: It's a big deal for Apple though this week. But
Speaker 1: there is some Samsung news as well. Samsung is going
Speaker 1: to host their twenty seventh Unpacked event in Seoul, Korea
Speaker 1: in late July. Now I told you there's a rumor
Speaker 1: about this event happening. This is where Samsung is going
Speaker 1: to unveil I mean, this is rumor. They haven't said,
Speaker 1: but the new Galaxy z Fold five and the Flip five,
Speaker 1: which is so wild because I remember specifically testing these
Speaker 1: phones out last summer and I fell in love with
Speaker 1: the z Fold five. It was such a great phone.
Speaker 1: It was just that screen on the outside was just
Speaker 1: a little bit too small for my taste. But I
Speaker 1: feel like they're going to do a lot better with
Speaker 1: this new one. We'll see. But this is happening in Seoul,
Speaker 1: South Korea, and that is going to be in late July.
Speaker 1: They haven't said the exact date, but they're going to
Speaker 1: do this event at Cox And I'm not even gonna
Speaker 1: try to pronounce some of these places. But it's a
Speaker 1: cool area where it's a hub for startups and a
Speaker 1: millennial boot temple. So you've got startups and buddhists. How
Speaker 1: interesting is that. So I am doing my best to
Speaker 1: get there. I've never been to Korea. I think that
Speaker 1: this would be a great opportunity to go, So I am.
Speaker 1: I've gotten permission to go, so I expect me to
Speaker 1: be there, let's just put it that way. I've got
Speaker 1: to rearrange a couple of things, but I am very excited.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, there's always some in trepidation
Speaker 1: of going to a new place that you've never been before.
Speaker 1: But I'm excited and so again, Samsung Unpacked usually happens
Speaker 1: in New York, usually happens in Las Vegas, usually happens
Speaker 1: in Barcelona, London, Berlin. They've done these in various countries
Speaker 1: around the world, or various cities and countries. The first
Speaker 1: was in March twenty ten in Las Vegas. And so
Speaker 1: now they said, you know what, we're gonna do these
Speaker 1: in different places because these devices represent something new, something different,
Speaker 1: pushing the boundaries. And so let's go to our home
Speaker 1: town in Korea. And I'm curious because you know, we're
Speaker 1: so iPhone centric here in the US, so I'm curious
Speaker 1: what it's like to be in Korea, where Samsung is
Speaker 1: such a behemoth pretty much the Apple over there. So,
Speaker 1: by the way, the Samsung Galaxy fold was introduced in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, which means it's been about four years and
Speaker 1: it's it's got a thirteen point six percent adoption rate
Speaker 1: in Korea, which is the highest in the world. So
Speaker 1: these foldable phones are really coming in very very fast
Speaker 1: from Google and now from Samsung and of course Apple.
Speaker 1: Eventually we'll get there, all right. Coming up, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk to two award winning developers of Flighty and
Speaker 1: Swing Vision. We're heading back up to WWDC more rich
Speaker 1: on Tech after this. Rich on Tech, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show. This is where I talk about the tech
Speaker 1: stuff I think you should know about, and it's also
Speaker 1: the place where I answer your questions very special guests
Speaker 1: for you. We are on site at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, California,
Speaker 1: site of the Worldwide Developers Conference. I've got two great
Speaker 1: app developers with me today. Ryan Jones of Flighty, who's
Speaker 1: actually been on the show before, welcome back, and swap
Speaker 1: Nol Sahai of swing Vision. This is an AI powered
Speaker 1: tennis app. You guys are both Apple Design winners. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show and congratulations.
Speaker 8: Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1: All right, so Ryan, let's talk first. Since I used
Speaker 1: your app on my way up here. Flighty has gotten
Speaker 1: so many accolades for its design. Did you set out
Speaker 1: to just make like the most beautiful flight tracking app? Ever?
Speaker 9: Honestly, it was something we talked about the guys that
Speaker 9: are on the team. There's three of us, and we
Speaker 9: kind of all came together around the idea of already
Speaker 9: agreeing that it was a problem that there was no
Speaker 9: way for flyers to get this information fast and easily.
Speaker 9: And when we were doing research on what did users
Speaker 9: want in the space, one of the things that people
Speaker 9: kept saying over and over was easy to use, which
Speaker 9: you know, sometimes people will say, but a lot of
Speaker 9: times they won't. A lot of times they'll say certain
Speaker 9: features that are specific to them, but the fact that
Speaker 9: people just kept saying easy to use over and over
Speaker 9: was really something that we thought we could hang our hat.
Speaker 1: On and swap noil this swing Vision app explain what
Speaker 1: it does well.
Speaker 8: Basically, you just set up your iPhone at the back
Speaker 8: of the tennis court and then it will track the
Speaker 8: ball trajectory for you just using your camera, and so
Speaker 8: you can tell whether the ball is in or out.
Speaker 8: It can track all of your stats, it'll create highlights
Speaker 8: of your game. It does quite a lot, and it's
Speaker 8: pretty crazy that it just does it with a single iPhone.
Speaker 1: I was going to say that sounds like something and
Speaker 1: I played tennis growing up, so I'm very familiar with
Speaker 1: the sport, but that sounds like something you needed a
Speaker 1: lot of equipment for back in the day to accomplish
Speaker 1: something like that. Definitely.
Speaker 8: I mean even today at the professional level, if you
Speaker 8: look at the US Open that's happening in New York,
Speaker 8: they have ten cameras around the court to do this,
Speaker 8: and so we're pretty much the first people to do
Speaker 8: this with a single camera.
Speaker 1: And so what do you think the benefit is to
Speaker 1: the player? I think it helps you review your footag
Speaker 1: really efficiently. So if you play a match that's typically
Speaker 1: two hours long, you can watch it in like twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: You can say, show me every serve that I missed
Speaker 1: into the net and it'll immediately create a hot reel
Speaker 1: for you. So it's really efficient and fast to revere
Speaker 1: a game. And then the biggest problem in tennis has
Speaker 1: always been line calling. You have to call the ball
Speaker 1: in or out yourself. We finally solve that for kind
Speaker 1: of the average person, which is really exciting and a
Speaker 1: lot of like high school college athletes will have this
Speaker 1: for the first time ever now and it just takes
Speaker 1: one iPhone.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it just takes one iPhone and we can see
Speaker 8: both sides of the court. The camera is just so
Speaker 8: powerful and the neural engine on the iPhone really allows
Speaker 8: us to process all that information really quickly.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is incredible. So when you get this award
Speaker 1: from Apple Apple Design Award, what does that mean? Does
Speaker 1: it get you more downloads, does it get people to
Speaker 1: notice you? What does that mean to you?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's everything. Like, as an app developer,
Speaker 8: that's what you dream of. I actually came here back
Speaker 8: in twenty fifteen as a student scholarship winner for WWDC.
Speaker 8: So this is just kind of like the stuff you
Speaker 8: dream of. It's amazing for us to finally get to
Speaker 8: this point.
Speaker 1: And Ryan, yeah, the same for us.
Speaker 9: It really partly is kind of just an internal recognition
Speaker 9: and a kind of a thank you. I think that
Speaker 9: Apple's able to provide the community because a lot of
Speaker 9: us know within the community who the other Apple Design
Speaker 9: Award winners are. But it definitely is something that is
Speaker 9: kind of a gold medal in our world.
Speaker 1: Did you used to work for Apple at some point?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 9: Yeah, back in operations, so nothing related to software or anything.
Speaker 9: Worked in iPhone operations, more or less predicting sales and
Speaker 9: bringing units over from China.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, but you weren't here in Kupertino, were you?
Speaker 1: That's correct. I was in Austin, Okay. You're in Austin,
Speaker 1: beautiful place. I was just there by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's our second biggest campus now. They have a big
Speaker 1: presence there. Yeah, a lot of tech companies in Austin, Okay.
Speaker 1: So while we were here, we saw this new headset
Speaker 1: and I imagine your kind of brain is already working
Speaker 1: on the possibilities of how to code for it and
Speaker 1: maybe extend your app for that headset. Is there something
Speaker 1: you thought of that could work for that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think when it comes to sports,
Speaker 8: at least, you know, there's an immediate application of just training.
Speaker 8: You know, imagine you're playing tennis, you're hitting some serves
Speaker 8: and there's virtual targets that appear above the net. You
Speaker 8: know exactly where you should be hitting. You could see
Speaker 8: kind of a shadow of another player and how you're
Speaker 8: supposed to be doing your swing. So I just think
Speaker 8: there's there's so many applications to sports, But I think
Speaker 8: beyond that, it's just very exciting that it's going to
Speaker 8: touch kind of every facet of our life.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and we've been thinking the same thing.
Speaker 9: You know, this is our first kind of look at
Speaker 9: it and real understanding of exactly what capabilities is going
Speaker 9: to bring. You even saw Apple highlight in the keynote
Speaker 9: the actual usage of being on an airplane. So it's something
Speaker 9: we thought about could potentially be applicable, and you know,
Speaker 9: it's kind of endless possibilities. At the moment, we're thinking
Speaker 9: about stuff like notifying you if you're flying over the
Speaker 9: Grand Canyon and here you can get a little view
Speaker 9: of what it would be like as you're going over it,
Speaker 9: or hey, you can't look out the window because you're
Speaker 9: in an aisle seat. Here's what the skyline looks like
Speaker 9: at the window. So there's just all kinds of crazy
Speaker 9: things that you kind of have to wrap your mind
Speaker 9: around for the first time.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to wear the headset for your next
Speaker 1: flight to like watch a movie or something like that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe I'm a little biased, but I actually think
Speaker 9: it's gonna be one of the first places people kind
Speaker 9: of think it's okay and adopt it out in public.
Speaker 9: You know, if you think about getting on a plane,
Speaker 9: people are already trying to kind of how can I
Speaker 9: get the best noise canceling.
Speaker 1: Possible, Like just make the baby go away. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear the crying.
Speaker 9: And that's if you're a parent here just exactly so
Speaker 9: the other people who wanted even more, you got to
Speaker 9: bring them for everybody in your aisle.
Speaker 1: I've been in that, believe me. I've got two kids
Speaker 1: and I was I went through that whole phase of
Speaker 1: flying and it's like, you don't want your kid to
Speaker 1: make like a peep, and if you when you sit
Speaker 1: down in the row. You have to like almost apologize
Speaker 1: to everyone around. You're like, I swear they'll be a
Speaker 1: good kid, They'll be perfectly fine. But now my kids
Speaker 1: are just on their iPad the whole time. So then
Speaker 1: even they're like, the flight's already over. Imagine when we
Speaker 1: all have these headsets on them on. So, what do
Speaker 1: you think is the most rewarding part of being a developer?
Speaker 1: What do you think is like, is the feedback from people?
Speaker 1: Is it just seeing your app being used?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think that one of the coolest
Speaker 8: experiences was definitely this WWDC just running too. Some of
Speaker 8: the developers around the world who like know our app
Speaker 8: and use it, you know, whenever we get featured by Apple.
Speaker 8: We've been featured in a few keynotes. It's just it's
Speaker 8: always amazing that you just kind of get to be
Speaker 8: a part of that developer community and also just kind
Speaker 8: of the wider community of the world too, just random
Speaker 8: people around the world using your product.
Speaker 1: It's crazy and.
Speaker 8: You've created this thing that didn't exist before. I think
Speaker 8: that's probably the most rewarding part.
Speaker 1: Do you have people in like different countries using your app?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean more than half for customers around the world.
Speaker 8: We have a bunch of people in Western Europe. Brazil
Speaker 8: is actually really big, China's a big country for US, Australia.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's all around the world. It's really
Speaker 8: crazy and I mean good playing sports everywhere, right, so
Speaker 8: everyone needs it.
Speaker 1: What were you doing before the app?
Speaker 8: I was at Tesla actually, so I was working on
Speaker 8: the autonomous driving team there doing computer vision for tracking
Speaker 8: all the cars and pedestrians, and so that's where it
Speaker 8: kind of got more familiar with this problem of using
Speaker 8: cameras to do really cool tracking of objects that are
Speaker 8: moving really fast. And also been a lifelong tennis player,
Speaker 8: so that's how I made that transition.
Speaker 1: And do you have plans for future apps different sports?
Speaker 1: Are you going to stick to tennis?
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, I mean that's the plan. You know, you
Speaker 8: look at what Strava has done where they initially started
Speaker 8: on cycling, then they started doing running, and so that's
Speaker 8: kind of what we want to do to expand beyond tennis.
Speaker 8: So this fall we're actually going into pickleball, which, as
Speaker 8: you know, is oh crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So and I mean in the future, you know, might
Speaker 8: go to baseball or golf, there's lots of other applications
Speaker 8: I think down the road for us.
Speaker 1: Why did pickleball get so pop? I mean, I knew
Speaker 1: people that were playing that a long time ago, but
Speaker 1: why did all of a sudden just was like a
Speaker 1: movie or TV show? What made that so popular?
Speaker 8: It's it's weird. I mean, I think a lot of
Speaker 8: investment just came in. Pandemic also helped because there's one
Speaker 8: of the few sports you could play outdoors, right But
Speaker 8: I think that ultimately it's just really accessible. You can
Speaker 8: just pick it up right away. You know, there's no
Speaker 8: crazy motion that's hard to learn, like a serve in tennis,
Speaker 8: So it's just super accessible. You can have people at
Speaker 8: different levels playing it. To be fair, I still prefer
Speaker 8: tennis personally, but I see the appeal of pickable and
Speaker 8: I understand why it's going so quickly.
Speaker 1: Does anything translate from the tennis skills to pickle ball?
Speaker 1: Oh for sure? Yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean I think I think my fourhands are going
Speaker 8: to work pretty well on the pick up bow court.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I'll try. I know, the courts smaller, Ryan,
Speaker 1: how about you, What's what do you get out of
Speaker 1: all this?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 1: Personally?
Speaker 9: Yeah, the I think someone was trying to explain what
Speaker 9: WWDC is kind of to us earlier this week, and
Speaker 9: it's some sort of combination of Christmas but also New
Speaker 9: Year's Day. It's just like you definitely feel the feeling
Speaker 9: of getting new presence and the excitement of like, oh
Speaker 9: my gosh, what are the capabilities we're going to be
Speaker 9: able to add to apps this year? And then for us,
Speaker 9: it really is kind of the start of the calendar
Speaker 9: getting ready for the I was seventeen and all the
Speaker 9: new hardware and software to roll out, you know, the
Speaker 9: the year usually, And it's also incredibly motivating. It's so
Speaker 9: cool to see, like other developers, what other cool people
Speaker 9: are doing, like just swing Vision and stuff that you
Speaker 9: know you didn't even know existed. You get to talk
Speaker 9: to amazing users who typically have really good feedback. It's
Speaker 9: just honestly a big kind of uplifting moment for kind
Speaker 9: of the whole team.
Speaker 1: All right, Ryan, tell folks how to find your app.
Speaker 1: It's called Flighty.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Flighty, So the website is flightyapp dot com and swapnil.
Speaker 1: How do you find swing Vision.
Speaker 8: You can just find us at swing Tennis on our website.
Speaker 8: And then We're on all the socials, TikTok, Instagram. It's
Speaker 8: just Swingvision app, all.
Speaker 1: Right, very cool. Swapnil Sahai of swing Vision, the AI
Speaker 1: powered tennis app, and Ryan Jones of Flighty, the most
Speaker 1: beautiful flight tracking app you'll ever download. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today on the show. I'm rich damiro
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Speaker 1: rich on Tech, and Tom wrote in on Twitter. Hey, Rich,
Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying the show on KFI this Saturday. Just
Speaker 1: wondering if you plan to use a VPN on your
Speaker 1: trip to the Samsung event this July. Please let us
Speaker 1: know as I am a traveler. Also, thank you, Tom.
Speaker 1: I don't typically use a VPN. I did, so here's
Speaker 1: my delineation. I mean, when I went to China, it
Speaker 1: was essential you had to use a VPN because you
Speaker 1: can't really access a lot over there. Korea, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the same restrictions. I
Speaker 1: don't believe they do. But if I do need to
Speaker 1: use one, I will. I actually used one here when
Speaker 1: I was on the public Wi Fi. Anytime you're accessing
Speaker 1: sensitive information like bank account, if you're checking your balances
Speaker 1: or doing any kind of banking, I would definitely recommend
Speaker 1: using a VPN. Or if you're on your cell phone,
Speaker 1: it's very easy. Just disconnect from the Wi Fi and
Speaker 1: just use your cellular connection. That's going to be nice
Speaker 1: and nice and secure. So if you're on your phone,
Speaker 1: you know, you really if you have a cellular connection,
Speaker 1: you can just use that. Just disconnect from the Wi
Speaker 1: Fi so nobody can sniff out what you're doing or
Speaker 1: what you're entering, and look, ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 1: time you're going to be okay. But my point is
Speaker 1: if you're trying to do something that's that's secure, or
Speaker 1: if you're exchanging something that's very secure, banking online, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. You probably want to use a VPN. Now,
Speaker 1: when it comes to VPNs, a couple of things to
Speaker 1: look for. Did a story with k with for Ktla
Speaker 1: about VPNs and we talked to an expert and this
Speaker 1: is what they recommended. Wire guard versus open VPN. Wire
Speaker 1: Guard is a little bit more modern and so it's secure,
Speaker 1: it's fast, it's easy, and open VPN is a little
Speaker 1: bit older, so it's more tried and true, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, the wire guard is kind of more modern.
Speaker 1: On the website of the VPN you choose, you want
Speaker 1: to look for independent audit audit results, so make sure
Speaker 1: that someone's independent verifying that they do not keep logs
Speaker 1: or whatever else they do that they say they do.
Speaker 1: Look for independent results on that. And then you want
Speaker 1: to make sure that the VPN you get works on
Speaker 1: your various devices. So if it works on iOS, Android,
Speaker 1: your computer, make sure they have various apps for the
Speaker 1: different platforms that you use. With all that said, a
Speaker 1: couple of recommendations here. Molvad m U l l VA
Speaker 1: D was our expert's top pick. Then IVPN surf Shark
Speaker 1: and tunnel Bear were also top picks, and then the
Speaker 1: other one is VPS. So if you have Google, you
Speaker 1: can use Google One and they have if you pay
Speaker 1: for sorry, if you pay for Google One, then you
Speaker 1: get a VPN included for free, and they've got apps
Speaker 1: for Android, iOS, Windows and Mac devices. And if you
Speaker 1: pay for a password manager, you may also get a
Speaker 1: VPN included with that as well. So a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways to to do that and get the VPN coverage.
Speaker 1: But again you want to look for certain things and
Speaker 1: make sure that it works on all of your devices.
Speaker 1: Good question there. All right, let's see do we have
Speaker 1: another question here? We got an email question. Hey, Rich,
Speaker 1: I have a website that was set up many years
Speaker 1: ago when Microsoft front Page was popular. The site's pretty basic,
Speaker 1: so for many years I've been able to create, copy,
Speaker 1: edit new pages with front Page. It works fine with
Speaker 1: Windows seven, but I'm pretty sure it's incombatible with Windows eleven,
Speaker 1: which I'd like to upgrade to. Because you suggest any
Speaker 1: website editing programs that would be easy to use and learn.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Jay in Houston. Jay, I think the
Speaker 1: world has switched to online website builders, so I would
Speaker 1: use one of those. I would use something like Wicks
Speaker 1: is probably the most popular that's going to let you
Speaker 1: get started for free. They do have some free levels
Speaker 1: of plans that you can use. I'd probably use that.
Speaker 1: Weebley was another one, but they were actually bought by Square.
Speaker 1: They're more about e commerce, so you may not need
Speaker 1: the features that they have, but they also have a
Speaker 1: free plan you can use with that. And square Space
Speaker 1: is also really nice, but you're gonna have to pay
Speaker 1: for that one. But it's gonna be simple and easy
Speaker 1: and beautiful, but Square Space is going to cost money.
Speaker 1: And you can also look into things like Google Sites.
Speaker 1: They have a free website building program, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can also do it yourself, or if you really
Speaker 1: want to get fun, you can use one of these
Speaker 1: new programs like chat, GPT or bard to help you
Speaker 1: write your program to write your HTML for your website,
Speaker 1: So that could be kind of fun. But otherwise, those
Speaker 1: are some of the options you can go for. All right,
Speaker 1: so I am remote, So I'm a little confused on
Speaker 1: our time here? Do we have time to take a
Speaker 1: call or no? Is that okay? Yeah, okay, let's go
Speaker 1: to line three. Jay is in el segundo. Jay, you're
Speaker 1: on with Rich. Sorry about that, I got sidetracked here
Speaker 1: because this show is going so fast. Maybe it's the uh,
Speaker 1: the country air I'm breathing. What's going on? Hi?
Speaker 3: Rich?
Speaker 10: Hey?
Speaker 3: I was calling. I wanted to set up my internet
Speaker 3: out in my garage right now, and I was wondering,
Speaker 3: do you have any suggestions or things I need to
Speaker 3: consider when running cable a long distance about one hundred
Speaker 3: feet underground to get an Internet signal out out that
Speaker 3: far from where my current internet is in the house.
Speaker 1: Oh uh, that's that's above my pay grade. I I I.
Speaker 1: Anytime it's anytime I'm running some cable or wire, I'm
Speaker 1: usually asking a pro to do it. Have you done
Speaker 1: this before yourself?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 11: No, I mean I all I did when I when
Speaker 11: we uh renovated our house, you know, after the cable
Speaker 11: people ran the Internet signal into the attic, I hooked it.
Speaker 3: All up in there. And I have of a just
Speaker 3: a cheap little router that goes into a switch that
Speaker 3: goes into a Google Wi Fi router, and then I
Speaker 3: got three of those in the house. That uh, and
Speaker 3: that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you tried bringing one out there? It won't
Speaker 1: it won't span that hundred feet Huh. No, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't think. So, Now do you have any way to
Speaker 1: run this line? Is it going to be? Are you
Speaker 1: hanging it or outside? Are you running it underground? How
Speaker 1: are you doing it? What's what's the most method there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're renovating our garage also, so we are going
Speaker 3: to be running a We'll have a trench and be
Speaker 3: able to run the line underground and you know, whatever
Speaker 3: piping that we need to and then basically have a
Speaker 3: cable coming out inside the garage. I'm just wondering, you know,
Speaker 3: does it need to be a special cable or can
Speaker 3: it just be a cap five cable you know that
Speaker 3: you get from an Amazon or something like that that's
Speaker 3: just one hundred feet long or one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: Probably one hundred feet would do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would. I would consider, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a more industrial cable if they have one, like
Speaker 1: I would look at. Have you looked at like monoprice?
Speaker 3: Yes, yep, okay, so I would.
Speaker 1: I would. I would look there and see if they
Speaker 1: have more of a you know, maybe an outdoor cable
Speaker 1: or something like that that is a little bit more
Speaker 1: protected from the elements and your standard cable that you'd
Speaker 1: use inside, because this thing, even though it's going to
Speaker 1: be in a trench and inside a a you know, conduit,
Speaker 1: you want to make sure that this is going to
Speaker 1: last for a long time. And so I would I
Speaker 1: would assume that they have that. Again, I haven't, I know,
Speaker 1: I have no experience with that. I've never run I've
Speaker 1: never run a gable underneath. I'm too scared to do it.
Speaker 1: But I've been wanting to build a shed, so I
Speaker 1: guess i'd learn. But I would call up a couple
Speaker 1: of you know, a couple of people and you know,
Speaker 1: on Yelp, and just see what they say, See what
Speaker 1: they say about how much this would cost, and if
Speaker 1: it's that big of a deal, and if you can
Speaker 1: do it yourself, or if you're just gonna have whoever
Speaker 1: runs this trench kind of just run. You can do
Speaker 1: this yourself and run that cable inside. But I would
Speaker 1: check out Monoprice to see if they have more of
Speaker 1: an outdoor style cable versus the standard cables that you'd
Speaker 1: run inside. I would believe they would, you know, cable
Speaker 1: that can withstand a little bit more of the elements.
Speaker 1: So it sounds exciting. I've always wanted one of these
Speaker 1: like garage setups. That's that's been my goal. I've been
Speaker 1: talking about it for like five years at my house.
Speaker 1: So maybe one of these days we'll swap stories about
Speaker 1: how much fun it is to have a little shed.
Speaker 1: All right, Janelsigudo, thanks so much for calling. More of
Speaker 1: your calls at Triple eight rich one oh one, you
Speaker 1: are listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: Rich Demiro here tech reporter at KTLA Channel five in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. So if you ever want to watch some
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Speaker 1: post most of the time and you can see some
Speaker 1: behind the scenes pictures of today's show, including setting up
Speaker 1: for the remote show. You can see what it looks
Speaker 1: like to set up the show from start to finish.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of fun. Let's see. Can I post
Speaker 1: anything to Instagram this week of interest? Let me say usually,
Speaker 1: I kind of go through some of the videos I posted.
Speaker 1: It's sad if I say I didn't, Oh I did.
Speaker 1: I posted like a hands on or I couldn't show
Speaker 1: you the hands on. But I did post some of
Speaker 1: the Apple's virtual headset, the division pros, and some of
Speaker 1: my pictures from Coopertino as well. All Right, what I
Speaker 1: love about this show is instant feedback. And so Reid
Speaker 1: called from Riverside, California and suggested for Jay. He was
Speaker 1: asking about, you know, running the cable from his house
Speaker 1: underground to the garage, the Ethernet cable, and Reid says,
Speaker 1: as a construction worker, they run the cables inside PVC
Speaker 1: pipe for protection when burying underground. Yeah, you don't want
Speaker 1: to just put these things in the ground, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: You don't want to just like put the dirt over
Speaker 1: it and you're like, okay, there it goes. And then
Speaker 1: I looked on Monoprice for an outdoor cable, and sure
Speaker 1: enough they've got it. It's a it's a twenty four
Speaker 1: AWG cable, which is a higher gauge, and it is
Speaker 1: one hundred feet. Is going to set you back thirty
Speaker 1: two bucks. So that's pretty good one hundred foot monoprice cable.
Speaker 1: And then we got an email from Sandy. She was
Speaker 1: listening to the interview with the two developers and said,
Speaker 1: is Flighty only for Apple? Yes, it's only for Apple.
Speaker 1: At this point I have asked the developer, well they
Speaker 1: make something for Android, and they maybe in a couple
Speaker 1: of years, they said, but they're just not committing. They
Speaker 1: said they have too much going on with Apple right
Speaker 1: now in iPhone and it's just doing too well, and
Speaker 1: so they just really see a lot of momentum there.
Speaker 1: I know it's such a great app. I wish I
Speaker 1: had it on both platforms. I really do. And I'm
Speaker 1: almost almost hesitant in general to recommend things that are
Speaker 1: not on two platforms because I do believe that cross
Speaker 1: platforms should be the way to go for anything. I
Speaker 1: try to choose cross platform platform apps for almost any
Speaker 1: app that I use because I like the idea that
Speaker 1: it's accessible to everyone speaking of big changes. This is
Speaker 1: really really incredible news and it's it's this means a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's going to mean in the
Speaker 1: future for electric cars. But GM has now followed in
Speaker 1: Ford's footsteps and they are now committing to the Tesla
Speaker 1: super charger network. So that is really interesting move. So
Speaker 1: GM is going to integrate the Tesla charger standard into
Speaker 1: their new evs starting in twenty twenty five, and then
Speaker 1: GM customers will be able to access twelve thousand Tesla
Speaker 1: superchargers in early twenty twenty four. And that means they're
Speaker 1: going to ditch the other charging infrastructure and I guess
Speaker 1: you'll still be able to charge maybe at these other places.
Speaker 1: But the fact that now GM and Ford are adopting
Speaker 1: Tesla supercharging technology is really telling for this industry. So
Speaker 1: we kind of have a you know, a war going
Speaker 1: on between these different standards, and the fact that Tesla
Speaker 1: is a private company building this supercharging network is you know,
Speaker 1: not everyone likes that idea because it's it's a lot
Speaker 1: of power for one company. And so GM says they're
Speaker 1: also going to integrate the Tesla supercharger network into its
Speaker 1: vehicle and mobile apps you can locate, pay for, and
Speaker 1: initiate charging at a available superchargers. It says this will
Speaker 1: complement the charging experience at their own network of Ultium
Speaker 1: Charge three sixty stations and additional charging stations GM makes
Speaker 1: available through its existing integrations with other charging networks. That's
Speaker 1: very obscure, right, It's like they're like, ah, well, we'll
Speaker 1: just continue to support that until we don't. Okay, But anyway,
Speaker 1: the momentum is there for this Tesla supercharging network. Now
Speaker 1: I talked about this last week. You know, if I
Speaker 1: was going to get a car, it's not just limited
Speaker 1: to Tesla anymore because they have the best network for charging. Now,
Speaker 1: I'd say, okay, let me take a look what Ford has.
Speaker 1: Let me take a look at what GM has. Let's
Speaker 1: go to line one. Rudy is in Woodland Hills, California. Rudy,
Speaker 1: you are on with Rich.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you, sir. So just have a quick question.
Speaker 3: I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Oh, Rudy, I can't hear you. You got you gotta
Speaker 1: move to a little bit of better location. Try again. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now I'm handing Berlin, Germany on July six for ten days.
Speaker 5: You want to know what you recommend to communicate.
Speaker 3: With family back home, be a phone, be it WhatsApp.
Speaker 2: What do you recommend?
Speaker 1: Oh? Good question. So again this kind of goes into
Speaker 1: what I was talking about with cross platform stuff. If
Speaker 1: you're all on iPhone, go ahead, use I Message, use
Speaker 1: Wi Fi. You can use Wi Fi calling through your provider.
Speaker 1: You can turn that on in the settings. Make sure
Speaker 1: that your cellular provider supports that. They probably do. You
Speaker 1: can also use what's called FaceTime audio, but again that
Speaker 1: only works if you're everyone you're communicating with has an iPhone.
Speaker 1: Now a lot of people do, but I think that
Speaker 1: cross platform is a little bit easier. So WhatsApp, if
Speaker 1: you can get everyone to download that, we'll do everything
Speaker 1: you need. You'll be able to make video calls, you'll
Speaker 1: be able to chat, and that's going to do ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent of what you need. The other solution that
Speaker 1: I use with my family is called Telegram, and it's
Speaker 1: very similar to what's app, except it's not end to
Speaker 1: end encrypted by default, so you do have to know that.
Speaker 1: They do have end to end encryption options, but it's
Speaker 1: not by default, so you can use that. But again,
Speaker 1: the whole name of the game here is you need
Speaker 1: to get everyone to download the same app if you're
Speaker 1: going to communicate with them. Otherwise it's just on a
Speaker 1: one by one basis. So if you know that your
Speaker 1: you know, mother uses Telegram, use that for her. If
Speaker 1: you know that your sister is using an iPhone, use
Speaker 1: FaceTime and FaceTime audio for them, and for anyone else.
Speaker 1: If you need to make a phone call, you can
Speaker 1: use Wi Fi calling and you know Wi Fi texting.
Speaker 1: So the main thing is if you want to save
Speaker 1: money on your cellular you can turn off your cellular
Speaker 1: connection and leave on the Wi Fi calling connection and
Speaker 1: that should take care of you know, text messages and
Speaker 1: phone calls. Every carrier is just a little bit different
Speaker 1: when it to this stuff. But for me personally, I
Speaker 1: would just try to get a cross platform app before
Speaker 1: you leave that everyone uses now the Silent the Silent
Speaker 1: app and all of this. That's kind of like the
Speaker 1: universal app. That's kind of a secret solution that many
Speaker 1: people don't think about is Instagram. Almost every person that
Speaker 1: I know is on Instagram, and Instagram handles the video
Speaker 1: and audio and also chatting, and so why not just
Speaker 1: use Instagram if someone's there. This is the problem with
Speaker 1: and this goes back to what I was talking about
Speaker 1: Apple with the whole FaceTime and you know, an I
Speaker 1: Message thing is that you think it would be easy,
Speaker 1: You think that this would work the same way everywhere,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. In different parts of the world, people
Speaker 1: use different apps. So if you're in Asia, a lot
Speaker 1: of people use line or we Chat. If you're in Europe,
Speaker 1: it's all about WhatsApp. If you're here in America, it's
Speaker 1: all about I Message. International is telegram, So you really
Speaker 1: have to come to where your friends are and me
Speaker 1: them in the middle. So reach out to the most
Speaker 1: important people you know that you want to contact on
Speaker 1: this trip and just kind of assess from there and
Speaker 1: see what they use. So personally, I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of good luck with something like telegram with my family
Speaker 1: because it's just very simple, Like everyone knows that they
Speaker 1: can reach me on telegram and it's going to work
Speaker 1: the same no matter what country I'm in, and I've
Speaker 1: used it all over the place and it has worked
Speaker 1: really great. The other thing is that Wi Fi calling
Speaker 1: is super simple to set up and it's free, So
Speaker 1: as long as you're on a Wi Fi network with
Speaker 1: your provider, you're good to go. But again you want
Speaker 1: to toggle that on before you go. And then the
Speaker 1: only other thing if you want to use a SIM card,
Speaker 1: an international SIM, I like what Erlo has Ai r
Speaker 1: Alo a Alo. I've used their e sims in various
Speaker 1: countries around the world. They've worked almost perfectly everywhere. The
Speaker 1: other one I'd look into is US Mobile. They have
Speaker 1: an international e SIM as well now, and theirs is
Speaker 1: more for like, you know, thirty days. You can buy
Speaker 1: it for like a little bit more time. I think
Speaker 1: they have one that lasts like a year. But you
Speaker 1: can look at US Mobile and again I put all
Speaker 1: these links on the website. You can go to rich
Speaker 1: on tech dot TV look for show number twenty three.
Speaker 1: But that's exciting Berlin fun. It's always a little bit
Speaker 1: of nervousness when it comes to connectivity in these other countries.
Speaker 1: But to be honest, the more I've done the international
Speaker 1: travel in these recent times, the better it has gotten.
Speaker 1: It is really really gotten much better than when I
Speaker 1: started traveling to Japan ten years ago, and I literally
Speaker 1: had zero connectivity for like two days before I was
Speaker 1: able to figure something out. All right, coming up next,
Speaker 1: we got a lot more on the show. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk about Minecraft is now available in a new place.
Speaker 1: We've got United upgrading to four K displays in their
Speaker 1: in their airplanes, which is incredible, and you can now
Speaker 1: get grub Hub delivery in a hotel chain. Plus we're
Speaker 1: going to talk to some students who are inspiring young coders.
Speaker 1: It's all coming up right here on rich On Tech.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich On Tech. Rich DeMuro here talking technology.
Speaker 1: We've been talking a lot of Apple because while their
Speaker 1: Worldwide Developers Conference happened this week, I was there up
Speaker 1: in Cooper Tino, and they announced a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've look at you got to think about the products
Speaker 1: this company has. You've got the iPhone obviously, which you
Speaker 1: know so many people use. Then you've got things like
Speaker 1: the Mac computers. Then you've got the Apple Watch, then
Speaker 1: you've got the air pods, and of course you know
Speaker 1: just all the little things that they do. And so
Speaker 1: I get it's a lot of stuff, but I want
Speaker 1: you to know what's coming soon to these gadgets that
Speaker 1: you can plan and think about it and also not
Speaker 1: be surprised. So let me go over a couple more things.
Speaker 1: Bounced Watch os ten if you can believe it, the
Speaker 1: Apple Watch has now been out I Apple Watch. Let
Speaker 1: me assue when this thing launched. I was there for
Speaker 1: the launch back in many, many years ago. Let's see
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. So you're talking I should I probably should
Speaker 1: have realized that watch os ten. It's been probably ten years,
Speaker 1: so almost ten years of the Apple Watch, which is
Speaker 1: just wild because I remember the first time ever putting
Speaker 1: it on my wrist and now we're up to number ten.
Speaker 1: So this is for the operating system, by the way,
Speaker 1: So the operating system is going to have this thing
Speaker 1: called smart Stack, which is on the iPhone. So it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of widgets that you can stack on your
Speaker 1: watch so that you can flip through important information. And
Speaker 1: then they've got let's see, the Peanuts comic strip is
Speaker 1: going to be on Apple Watch. It's funny. I showed
Speaker 1: my kid a video about all the new features coming soon,
Speaker 1: and this was the one thing. He was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what Snoopy on the Apple Watch. That's so cool. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, So to each his own. And
Speaker 1: then they have this new mindfulness feature, which there's already
Speaker 1: this mindfulness app, but now you can log your emotions
Speaker 1: and daily moods. So it'll say, hey, how you feel
Speaker 1: in today, and you can scroll through and say how
Speaker 1: you're feeling, whether you're feeling good, bad, somewhere in the middle,
Speaker 1: and then you can select what's having an impact on you.
Speaker 1: So if you're traveling, if you're stressed out, if it's work,
Speaker 1: if it's family, significant other, whatever it is, you'll be
Speaker 1: able to do that track all of that. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's apples, so they're going to keep everything private, but
Speaker 1: it's neat because you'll be able to see trends over time.
Speaker 1: So if you notice that every Friday you're in a
Speaker 1: bad mood, you can maybe figure out how to alleviate that.
Speaker 1: In the future. Then AirPods AirPods Pro. This is a
Speaker 1: feature that's only coming to the second generation AirPods Pro,
Speaker 1: but I thought this was pretty cool because this is
Speaker 1: a major problem on the AirPods. So if you have
Speaker 1: the noise cancelation on and someone starts to talk to you,
Speaker 1: you literally can't hear them at all, even if they're
Speaker 1: standing right in front of you. So now there's this
Speaker 1: new adaptive audio mode that will understand when you start
Speaker 1: talking to someone that it'll have this conversational awareness, so
Speaker 1: it'll lower the volume of the music you're listening to
Speaker 1: or whatever you're listening to, and enhance the voices of
Speaker 1: the person that is trying to talk to you and
Speaker 1: reduce background noise. So that's really nice. I mean this
Speaker 1: literally happened to me on the plane. I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I literally can't hear you. Hold on, let
Speaker 1: me take this AirPod out and try to talk to you.
Speaker 1: But that'll be a nice addition. And then Apple is
Speaker 1: finally admitting that these AirPods don't always automatically switch to
Speaker 1: the device you're trying to use them with all the
Speaker 1: time very easily, and so they say there is now
Speaker 1: automatic switching has gotten better. It will be significantly faster
Speaker 1: and more reliable, making it seamless to move from a
Speaker 1: favorite podcast on the iPhone to a work call on
Speaker 1: the Mac. And so that's gonna be a nice added
Speaker 1: feature as well, something that I've noticed. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't even use the AirPods with any sort of zoom
Speaker 1: calls because I never know if they're going to work
Speaker 1: or not. Let's see what else do they have here? Oh,
Speaker 1: a tvOS seventeen. So Apple TV is getting FaceTime, which
Speaker 1: I've been talking about forever saying how we need FaceTime
Speaker 1: on Apple TV. Of course, in typical Apple fashion, it's nice,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great, but you have to use an
Speaker 1: iPhone as your camera or an iPad. You can't just
Speaker 1: plug a regular webcam into the back of your Apple TV.
Speaker 1: That would make way too much sense. All I want
Speaker 1: to do is just plug a webcam into the back
Speaker 1: of the Apple TV, and then when I want to
Speaker 1: do a FaceTime call or a video chat, I would
Speaker 1: be able to use that. No, you got to use
Speaker 1: your phone. So now you get to buy another stand
Speaker 1: for your iPhone that you can put near your TV
Speaker 1: and so that you can put your phone as your camera.
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's fine, it's you already have an
Speaker 1: iPhone if you have an Apple TV. But it's just
Speaker 1: one of the things would have been a lot easier,
Speaker 1: let's see. Oh and by the way, they are going
Speaker 1: to support some third party apps, so they did specifically
Speaker 1: mention Zoom and some other apps as well, So it's
Speaker 1: not going to be just FaceTime, it'll be some other
Speaker 1: video chatting apps. Oh and this was really interesting. If
Speaker 1: you have an Apple TV remote that you lost, which
Speaker 1: is like ninety nine percent of the time in my house,
Speaker 1: you can use your iPhone to locate your Siri remote.
Speaker 1: And all these things come with an asterisk, right, A
Speaker 1: lot of these things you need to have the latest whatever.
Speaker 1: And the Siri remote is a second generation or later,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty recent remote, so it's not going
Speaker 1: to work with all the old Apple TV remotes. But
Speaker 1: this is this is a great feature because every time
Speaker 1: I go to sit down to watch TV, I for
Speaker 1: some reason cannot find the remote control. And I asked
Speaker 1: the kids and they say, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know where that went. I said, well, you used it
Speaker 1: the last time. Where is it? Don't know? And finally
Speaker 1: United putting four K displays and Bluetooth on its planes.
Speaker 1: Call screen or Kim said, how dare they My last
Speaker 1: flight had no screens. Now they're putting four K Come on. Yes,
Speaker 1: they did a deal with Panasonic to put four K
Speaker 1: ol ed screens in their aircraft Boeing seven eighty seven
Speaker 1: in their airbus A three two one xl R. Wow,
Speaker 1: say that ten times fast. It's also gonna have Bluetooth,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be sharp, it's gonna be crisp, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be clear you'll be able to connect your Bluetooth devices.
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. It's gonna be in three hundred
Speaker 1: thousand seats, but probably not the one you're flying on,
Speaker 1: because this will be in a lot of the the
Speaker 1: international flights, and it's not coming until twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: so four K on United, but you gotta wait a
Speaker 1: little bit for that one. All right. Well, that's exciting though,
Speaker 1: because last I was on like a test flight I
Speaker 1: guess where they had the Bluetooth, and it was really
Speaker 1: cool because you can just use your bluetoth headphones instead
Speaker 1: of plugging in. All right, coming up, we are gonna
Speaker 1: talk to two incredible coding students. This is an inspiring
Speaker 1: conversation I had up at WWDC. We'll talk to these
Speaker 1: students coming up next, and then we're going to close
Speaker 1: out the show. Might have time for one more call
Speaker 1: at triple eight Rich one O one eight eight eight
Speaker 1: seven four to two four to one zero one rich
Speaker 1: On Tech. Rich Demiro here, rich On Tech. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show. Coming to you from Cooper Tino. We
Speaker 1: are at Apple's headquarters just on the cusp of WWDC,
Speaker 1: and I've got two great guests joining me Yemmy Agason,
Speaker 1: and Rebecca Wang. Rebecca is a seventeen year old from
Speaker 1: San Jose. She is a self taught coder, and Yemy
Speaker 1: is twenty one finishing up his computer science degree at
Speaker 1: Kennesaus State University. Welcome to the show, Hi Rich, Thank
Speaker 1: you so. First off, for someone who hasn't been to
Speaker 1: the Apple campus, just explain how cool it is to
Speaker 1: visit this place.
Speaker 10: So I have lived here in my entire life, like
Speaker 10: San Jose twenty minutes from here, but I have never
Speaker 10: been to Apple Park aside from the visitor center and
Speaker 10: just going in like it's two mongus, it's a one
Speaker 10: mile radius run mile like circle, and it's just everything
Speaker 10: is just huge.
Speaker 1: I had to look up half.
Speaker 6: Of the time.
Speaker 12: This is my second time here, first time inside though,
Speaker 12: and it was honestly just amazing just to see how
Speaker 12: green this place is a lot of nature and it's
Speaker 12: just like like you said, a one mile radio. I
Speaker 12: was like, wow, like this is a really good campus.
Speaker 1: Now, both of you have a reason for being here, Yeamy,
Speaker 1: Why don't you explain how you made it to WWDC
Speaker 1: this year? Oh?
Speaker 12: Yes, So in middle of March they announced the WWC
Speaker 12: Student challenge, award or challenge, and I essentially like, just
Speaker 12: you know, this is my final university. I was like,
Speaker 12: let me go ahead, and like, go ahead and try
Speaker 12: to work it. Try to submit a challenge to one
Speaker 12: of the greatest companies I believe. And yeah, so I
Speaker 12: built a baseball game with Swift and two months later
Speaker 12: I found out that I won the challenge there and
Speaker 12: I got invited to WWC.
Speaker 1: And you're a big fan of baseball, yes, but also filmmaking,
Speaker 1: because you're writing a film now.
Speaker 12: Too, Right, I'm writing a film about a pitcher who,
Speaker 12: let's say he's struggling in his career and but he
Speaker 12: finds a pitch that is unhittable.
Speaker 1: And that's you. I'll give right now. I don't want
Speaker 1: to give away the whole thing. Yeah, exactly. And Rebecca,
Speaker 1: you you coded some different things here, tell me what
Speaker 1: you coded. You've done some different hackathons, and you are
Speaker 1: all about empowering young women interested in a career in technology.
Speaker 1: How do you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 10: So my app is called Dare to Dream. It aims
Speaker 10: to empower the next generation of woman tech. It features
Speaker 10: ten historical and contemporary women, including at Lovelace, doctor Faife
Speaker 10: Lee and Carly Klass. So back when I started with hackathons,
Speaker 10: I learned coding straight from hackathons, so it was a
Speaker 10: very untraditional experience, I would say. So I was like
Speaker 10: reaching out to people on LinkedIn, learning through YouTube workshops.
Speaker 10: So even though I was at hackathons, I experienced this
Speaker 10: like exclusion basically for girls like me new to coding,
Speaker 10: and we're just like, oh, like, how do we make
Speaker 10: a team of strangers and build an awesome project within
Speaker 10: twenty four hours?
Speaker 1: And from then I have like for my.
Speaker 10: Own hackathon for marginalized genders for girls, and then there
Speaker 10: to dream is actually part of my larger initiative to
Speaker 10: create a book for empowering young.
Speaker 1: Women in tech. Okay, that's very cool, So tell me
Speaker 1: about the idea of like explain kind of the idea
Speaker 1: of coding to someone that doesn't really know what that means.
Speaker 1: We all use apps, but someone has to make these apps.
Speaker 1: And what got you interested in the behind the scenes
Speaker 1: aspect of this.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So my first experience I got into coding was
Speaker 10: literally through a spam email for a hackthon, and from
Speaker 10: that I didn't know what a hackathon was, but it
Speaker 10: was the middle of covid in in the winter of
Speaker 10: twenty twenty of twenty twenty, So.
Speaker 1: It was good timing because you had a lot of
Speaker 1: time on your hands, too much time, honestly. But I
Speaker 1: entered a discord server.
Speaker 10: I was way into white mode at that time, but
Speaker 10: I spent twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: I stayed up.
Speaker 10: I was so tired, but I worked with a team
Speaker 10: of girls on financial literacy to go to a website
Speaker 10: and from there I realized, this is one of the
Speaker 10: first times I can do social change and connect it
Speaker 10: to people from all over the world because it's a
Speaker 10: website and it's accessible, and we can also translate a
Speaker 10: different languages as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you reach so many people. That's what's incredible about it. Yemmy,
Speaker 1: what about yourself? Yeah, so I'm interested.
Speaker 12: I see coding as pretty much communicating to a computer.
Speaker 12: And what got me into is that, like I see
Speaker 12: myself as an artist, and I feel like with code,
Speaker 12: I can use that as my medium. You know, the
Speaker 12: keyboard is my brush, the computer itself is my cannabis,
Speaker 12: and then you can just kind of create whatever you want.
Speaker 12: And like I got into it when I was a
Speaker 12: lot younger in middle school. There was like a computer
Speaker 12: lab session and we were going to go through this
Speaker 12: like tutorial about how like to alert the computer to
Speaker 12: do something, and it literally just took one line of
Speaker 12: code and it was just so powerful.
Speaker 1: What's your advice to younger people that want to get
Speaker 1: involved in this because we hear a lot about coding now.
Speaker 1: Of course we hear about AI taking over some of
Speaker 1: the aspects of coding. I'd be curious to get your
Speaker 1: take on that. But do you still think it's something
Speaker 1: that young people should get interested in? Oh? Yes, definitely.
Speaker 1: How do you do it? Definitely?
Speaker 12: I believe a lot of people think that coding is
Speaker 12: just like a lot of math, at a lot of
Speaker 12: upfront knowledge.
Speaker 1: We have to just memorize things. And it's not any
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 12: It's a lot of just you just got to kind
Speaker 12: of honestly just do it to get really good at it.
Speaker 12: And like how I get started today, ifere to start
Speaker 12: over again, it's just, honestly, just think about something you
Speaker 12: would want to create and want to build and just
Speaker 12: kind of break it down and look things up.
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to look things up.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 12: I definitely don't know that much, but constantly learning and.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Rebecca, how about you, what's your advice?
Speaker 10: I would say, like coding is for everyone. Recently, I
Speaker 10: think Susan Prescott from Apple, she mentioned that there is
Speaker 10: a winner who was eighty one years old. So coding
Speaker 10: is really for everyone, inclusive of all ages, genders, and
Speaker 10: all backgrounds. So one advice I would have for starting
Speaker 10: aspiring coders is just like be a sponge, soak up
Speaker 10: all like the opportunities, reach out to as many people
Speaker 10: as you can.
Speaker 1: Now I heard you mentioned this eighty one year old,
Speaker 1: that one that was involved this year. That's incredible. We've
Speaker 1: got people of different backgrounds. How important do you think
Speaker 1: it is for people of different backgrounds to come to
Speaker 1: the table when it comes to coding or apps or
Speaker 1: all of this stuff.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So, like diversity drives technology, we won't have like
Speaker 10: diverse data sets diverse like artificial intelligence that could be
Speaker 10: inclusive to all people if we did have those people
Speaker 10: at the table. So technology, just like Apple is doing
Speaker 10: amazingly right now, is to make sure that every voice
Speaker 10: is heard, valued and amplified.
Speaker 1: And you've lived in a Yemi several different countries, huh,
Speaker 1: I mean that brings a lot to the table. As
Speaker 1: well for just knowing how people are in different places.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that helps you? It gives you
Speaker 1: an edge and kind of like the knowledge you have.
Speaker 12: Yes, definitely, I would say one thing I never considered,
Speaker 12: but as as I've lived in five different countries, five
Speaker 12: different witch countries, Germany, Belgium, Nigeria, England, and I guess
Speaker 12: the United States, and in three different states inside the
Speaker 12: United States. But yes, I would say that, Like, one
Speaker 12: thing I love about Apple is that when you're coding
Speaker 12: is that you can localize things, and so a lot
Speaker 12: of times when you write things, usually in English, you
Speaker 12: can also localize them, so that way and other countries
Speaker 12: people can still use the same app while also being.
Speaker 1: There in language. Now, we saw a pretty big announcement
Speaker 1: this year and it involves the virtual headset, the division pro.
Speaker 1: So that's a whole other level of coding. I mean,
Speaker 1: app developers have an entirely new canvas to work for
Speaker 1: in building apps for this. Does it interest you at all? Oh? Definitely.
Speaker 12: One thing that came to mind is great use of
Speaker 12: an AR and the vision pro would be to allow
Speaker 12: people on sports, like referees to basically kind of see
Speaker 12: and like have a more accurate way of like officiating.
Speaker 12: And for one of the use cases like who already
Speaker 12: go off a baseball, is that an umpire can now
Speaker 12: finally see like a see exactly where the ball went
Speaker 12: through one not during a ball and strike, and they
Speaker 12: can now make it a more accurate decision.
Speaker 1: So, Rebecca, any inspiration you drew from that new technology.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So in schools like chromebooks, computers, the presence of
Speaker 10: iPhones has strattically changed technology and learning into classrooms. So
Speaker 10: I'm really excited to see how VR implemented in our
Speaker 10: classrooms and also our workplaces, which change that environment.
Speaker 1: All right, so how can we find some of the
Speaker 1: work that you guys are doing. Tell folks how to
Speaker 1: follow you and find you.
Speaker 12: You can follow me on Instagram at Yemmy Box, y
Speaker 12: E m I Box.
Speaker 10: You can find me on Instagram and Twitter at rb
Speaker 10: cc A w Ang.
Speaker 1: All right, I want to say thank you to my guests,
Speaker 1: Yemmy Agason and Rebecca Wang, thanks so much for joining
Speaker 1: me here today. Thank you, Thank you. We'll have more
Speaker 1: Rich on Tech coming up right after this. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here closing out the show,
Speaker 1: I've got to say, I'm quite impressed that we pulled
Speaker 1: this off from such a remote location. That's a testament
Speaker 1: to the amazing power of technology. So we're in a
Speaker 1: place where there's not much service of any kind and
Speaker 1: the fact that we can do a radio show that
Speaker 1: goes out around the US is pretty incredible. So that
Speaker 1: is very exciting to me because I was a little
Speaker 1: nervous that this wouldn't work, but it did. We got
Speaker 1: a couple more things to talk about. This is happening
Speaker 1: over in France. So the Senate over there just gave
Speaker 1: the green light to allow the remote activation of the
Speaker 1: cameras or microphones on smartphones. And this is a controversial bill,
Speaker 1: as you might expect, but the Senate authorized it. It
Speaker 1: will give remote triggering of cameras or telephone microphones in
Speaker 1: certain investigations without the knowledge of the people concerned, you know,
Speaker 1: the people whose phone it is. So they also can
Speaker 1: look at their GEO GPS location without them knowing. So
Speaker 1: this will be reserved for cases of terrorism, delinquency, and
Speaker 1: organized crime. But as you might expect, this is a
Speaker 1: slippery slippery slope. And if we can't trust that our
Speaker 1: phones are private, it's bad enough that we have these
Speaker 1: apps that are trying to get as much data as
Speaker 1: possible about us. But imagine the government being able to
Speaker 1: just activate your phone or or your camera or your
Speaker 1: microphone at any time. That is some scary, scary stuff.
Speaker 1: And I'm not an expert in the US. I know
Speaker 1: they've got some things like I'm pretty sure they can
Speaker 1: listen to your phone conversations, but I don't think they
Speaker 1: can access your camera or mic. That'd be really really
Speaker 1: concerning to me. Maybe if they have a warrant. But
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what people do all the time.
Speaker 1: They hack into these phones, you know, if you're a
Speaker 1: prominent journalist or government agent somewhere around the world. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what all of these security updates are about. They're
Speaker 1: about software that gets secretly installed in your phone that
Speaker 1: does allow a third party to monitor what you're doing
Speaker 1: and what you're saying and where you're going. And that's
Speaker 1: why it's so important to do the software updates on
Speaker 1: your phone, because these companies like Apple and Google are
Speaker 1: constantly working to make sure that this is not a
Speaker 1: broad possibility. But this is at the government level in France,
Speaker 1: so that's a whole other can of worms. But if
Speaker 1: you look on the iPhone and recent androids, they do
Speaker 1: tell you when your camera is being accessed. There's a
Speaker 1: little indicator light when your MIC is being accessed. And
Speaker 1: if you swipe down on your control panel, which on
Speaker 1: the latest iPhones is from the upper right hand corner,
Speaker 1: you can see which apps have recently accessed your camera,
Speaker 1: your MIC, or your location. And so right now I'm
Speaker 1: seeing that Weather recently accessed my location. So an Android
Speaker 1: does the same thing. You can even go you can
Speaker 1: even go into your settings and look under privacy and
Speaker 1: see all of the apps and exactly what they're accessing.
Speaker 1: And in general, I always recommend that you never give
Speaker 1: an app more access than it needs. New way, so
Speaker 1: don't don't you know the old thing was the flashlight
Speaker 1: app that people wouldload and they would give every permission possible,
Speaker 1: Like why does a flashlight app need access to your GPS?
Speaker 1: It doesn't. They were just collecting a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: data so they could sell information and sell ads across
Speaker 1: their platforms against you. So kind of scary. What's happening
Speaker 1: over there in France, Even if it's for public safety,
Speaker 1: it's just still like whoo. When you go down that line.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Minecraft now on the Chromebook. We talked
Speaker 1: about this a couple months back, how they were testing it.
Speaker 1: Now it's widely available. You can now purchase Minecraft Bedrock
Speaker 1: Edition from Google Play on the Chromebook, which gives you
Speaker 1: access to Minecraft Marketplace and you can play on realms.
Speaker 1: Your kids probably know what that is. It's available on
Speaker 1: compatible chromebooks made in the last three years, so all
Speaker 1: chromebooks in the last three years apparently will work with this.
Speaker 1: And then there's another list of other compatible chromebooks, so
Speaker 1: it's not just the last three years. They do have
Speaker 1: recommended device. Some are going to work better than others.
Speaker 1: Chromebooks are notoriously underpowered most of the time, so you know,
Speaker 1: don't expect amazing things from some of the older chromebooks.
Speaker 1: You can also do cross play on these things, so
Speaker 1: you can play against friends that are on any other
Speaker 1: sort of Chrome Minecraft device, Android, Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo Switch, computers.
Speaker 1: And then here's the deal. So if you buy if
Speaker 1: you buy Minecraft on chromebook, you can download it for
Speaker 1: free on your Android device if they're both on the
Speaker 1: same account. So again, if you buy it on chromebook,
Speaker 1: you can get it for free on your Android. Now
Speaker 1: the other way, if you have it already, if you
Speaker 1: paid for it on Android and you want to on Chromebook,
Speaker 1: you'll get it for a discounted price. So it kind
Speaker 1: of like it doesn't go both ways, but it's like,
Speaker 1: if you have it on Chromebook, you'll get it free
Speaker 1: on Android. If you have it on Android, you could
Speaker 1: pay just a little bit more to get it on
Speaker 1: the Chromebook. Grub Huh and Homewood Suites are teaming up.
Speaker 1: So I was just talking about this with a friend
Speaker 1: the other day. How I thought it was so odd.
Speaker 1: I had this producer we were up in San Francisco
Speaker 1: and after a long day, you know, what do you do?
Speaker 1: You go out with the team to like a dinner, right,
Speaker 1: And this producer was like, now I'm just gonna order
Speaker 1: Postmates to my room. I said, what, how do you
Speaker 1: I've never even thought about doing that. Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: it all the time, no problem. So I of course,
Speaker 1: now fast forward, you know, five years later, just did
Speaker 1: this the other day and people do it all the time,
Speaker 1: but it was so farig to me back then. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what don't you go out for something?
Speaker 1: And so sure enough, now grubhub is teaming up with
Speaker 1: Homewood Suites. So what they're doing is they're pretty much
Speaker 1: just making yes, you can always order Grubhub inside of
Speaker 1: any hotel or Postmates or you know, Uber Eats or
Speaker 1: whatever door Dash, but they're making it easier to sort
Speaker 1: of get your hotel's location on the app and also
Speaker 1: see which things are recommended. So this will happen at
Speaker 1: five hundred Homewood Suite locations across the country. You'll be
Speaker 1: able to order from local restaurants and convenience stores via geolocation,
Speaker 1: so it will know when you're inside this specific hotel
Speaker 1: and it will give you the places that it recommends.
Speaker 1: But there's also a QR code in the hotel, probably
Speaker 1: in your room you can scan to make it a
Speaker 1: lot easier, so it already populates with like which hotel
Speaker 1: you're in your address. All you do do is pop
Speaker 1: in your room and that'll be really nice and simple.
Speaker 1: And they're also going to have the hotel location and
Speaker 1: courier drop off instructions automatically populate at checkout. So people
Speaker 1: who tried this in the pilot program they loved it
Speaker 1: because it was much easier. So I just did this
Speaker 1: the other day I've got this place up in Cooper
Speaker 1: Tino that I love to order from. It's random. It's
Speaker 1: called a good salad, but it's just a really good
Speaker 1: chicken caesar salad that I like to get when I
Speaker 1: cover Apple events. I just get it delivered to my
Speaker 1: hotel room, and it's every time, it's really good. But
Speaker 1: you know, it takes some times. You get to put
Speaker 1: in your hotel. You got to make sure it's the
Speaker 1: right hotel, and sometimes you don't know. You're like, wait,
Speaker 1: is this the address? Is it the right hotel? So
Speaker 1: it just makes it a lot easier when they sort
Speaker 1: of build this stuff together and make it a lot
Speaker 1: simpler to access. All right. Uh finally, oh gosh, do
Speaker 1: I really want to end on a sad note? Aren't
Speaker 1: you supposed to end on a happy note? No, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even gonna read that one. I
Speaker 1: don't want to read that one because it's too it's
Speaker 1: too sad. So you know what, that's it. We'll just
Speaker 1: end on that. We'll end on the grubhub in my
Speaker 1: good memories of this salad, because that's uh, that's I
Speaker 1: don't want to end on a sad story. Let's see
Speaker 1: do I have one more question I can do? Oh,
Speaker 1: Jennifer says, hey, Rich, the voice commands of my car
Speaker 1: play through Siri have changed, so can I change them
Speaker 1: to a different voice? Yes, you can change Siri to
Speaker 1: a different voice. This is much happier. Go into settings,
Speaker 1: Syrian Voice, Siri Voice, a Syrian Search, and then Siri Voice.
Speaker 1: You have five variety, a bunch of different varieties to
Speaker 1: choose from American, Australian, British, Indian, Irish, South African, and
Speaker 1: then you have different types of voice inside there. So
Speaker 1: again go into settings Siri and Search and Siri Voice.
Speaker 1: You can change your voice. All right, that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for this episode of the show, number twenty three
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Speaker 1: next week. I'm gonna be taste testing dairy cheese that
Speaker 1: doesn't require a cow to make. Yes, it's too It's
Speaker 1: not like the regular vegan cheese out there. They literally
Speaker 1: figured out how to make cheese without a cow. My
Speaker 1: name is Rich Dmiro. Thanks so much for listening. There
Speaker 1: are so many ways you can spend your time. I
Speaker 1: do appreciate you spending it right here with me. Thanks
Speaker 1: to everyone who makes this show possible, Adam Kim, Bill Bobo,
Speaker 1: and special thanks to the Alisoul ranch here in Solving,
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