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Speaker 1: Oh what a Wednesday show. We have Christmas around the corner.

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Speaker 1: What an exciting time. NFL games tomorrow one hour from now.

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Speaker 1: slate of NFL games. So good to be here. So

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Speaker 1: they name the Pro Bowl teams yesterday, and I want

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Speaker 1: to start with that. Once or twice a year, maybe

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Speaker 1: two or three times. I'll speak to a high school

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Speaker 1: or I'll speak to a college. And kids always ask

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Speaker 1: for advice in broadcasting, and my advice is, don't get

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Speaker 1: your head down. There's no one way to succeed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates dropped out of college. Is that

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Speaker 1: great advice for young Texters? I don't know it was

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Speaker 1: for them. There is no one way to succeed. Just

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Speaker 1: be relentless and don't get discouraged. And I look at

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Speaker 1: the six Pro Bowl quarterbacks and I feel just the

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Speaker 1: same way would have been easy for Matt Stafford to

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Speaker 1: get discouraged. Let's look at all six. Start with the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, beat up for years in Detroit, couldn't win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game, absolutely elite arm talent, and finally meets

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Speaker 1: his match, perfect match, Sean McVay. Then there's Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 1: not an elite arm talent, not even a great athlete,

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Speaker 1: great coach. Stafford got one. I'm not sure DA's ever

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Speaker 1: had a great coach. He's had good coaches, but Dak's EQ,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's IQ, overcoming injuries and the meddling owner, pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Then there's Sam Darnold, Reclamation Project, second Pro Bowl, second

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Speaker 1: team in two years, Wildly athletic, big strong man. Is

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Speaker 1: he aggressive? He throws some ugly picks? All three different stories.

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Speaker 1: AFC Josh Allen out of Wyoming, couldn't get a scholarship,

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Speaker 1: dad sending tapes out. Goes to the Bills, a sad

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Speaker 1: franchise who needed a megastar and he leans into all

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Speaker 1: his power. Then there's Justin Herbert. Did he make the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl because of his production? No? He made it.

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Speaker 1: What he's overcoming worst offensive line according to PFF. His

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Speaker 1: leading rusher has three touchdowns. It's what he's overcome, his toughness,

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Speaker 1: been hit more than any quarterback in the league. And

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Speaker 1: then Drake May. Is he one of the sixth best quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: Is Drake May one of the six best quarterbacks?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: For his age twenty three, he's way better than he

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Speaker 1: should be, and he keeps winning games and he like

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Speaker 1: leaves the league in completion percentage. Six different quarterbacks, all

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Speaker 1: of them different skills. I mean, Drake May and Justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert are kind of similar, different conferences, but they're all

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Speaker 1: different guys, different environments, different avenues. Herbert's had to overcome

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's got a defensive coach, Matt Stafford's got a

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Speaker 1: brilliant offensive coach. It's like, whenever I look at the list,

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Speaker 1: There's no one path. But what does matter is not

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Speaker 1: getting discouraged. I mean, Justin Herbert has been hit over

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Speaker 1: don't feel great. I'm going to take this Sunday off.

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, no playoff wins in Detroit, kept his head down.

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Speaker 1: So when I look at all these quarterbacks, just a

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Speaker 1: huge component of success for all these guys, here's the

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Speaker 1: one thing they have in common. Leadership and toughness. All

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Speaker 1: Now there's one quarterback you're not seeing here, and the

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams among Pro Bowl snubs. No timeout, timeout timeout

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Speaker 1: All six quarterbacks that made the Pro Bowl have better

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Speaker 1: so that's a snub. But if you look at Caleb's numbers,

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Speaker 1: with you, eleven wins four a lot. That is impressive.

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Speaker 1: And what's impressive is that at Chicago and they can't

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Speaker 1: things is fourth quarter comebacks and amazing individual plays. Wow plays.

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Speaker 1: So his movie's been okay, but man, there's been some

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Speaker 1: great scenes in it. So Caleb Season is a little

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Speaker 1: bit like m Night Shyamalan movies. For a big chunk

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that ending who that thing was. It

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Speaker 1: What a great movie. He didn't get snubbed. Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: But again, Caleb Yester. I think the best part about

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Speaker 1: I watched every college snap. Will Chicago screw it up?

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Speaker 5: Snub I get drafted here, you know, told that I'm

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Speaker 5: a good fit here, told that you know, coach and

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Speaker 5: I won't work. I've told you know I can't win here,

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Speaker 1: You can hear you can hear it. He got a

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Speaker 1: little jet fuel. He got a little well well chip

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Speaker 1: on the shoulder, which I like. In fairness to the media,

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Speaker 1: always been what Ben Johnson wants and what Caleb does

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Speaker 1: is not necessarily a perfect fit. Now I would say

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Speaker 1: would love to move the pocket occasionally. It's just Stafford

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Detroit coaches would love Jared Goff to

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Speaker 1: trying to think of perfect fit. I mean Andy Reid, Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: I see it as his story. His movie this year

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Speaker 1: has been about great finishes and great scenes first fifteen

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks have. I will say this, sports fans, over the

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Speaker 1: course of my life have gotten smarter because there's just

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Speaker 1: you know, there's just more stuff out there. Sports betting

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks Hurts and Dak and Caleb and Drake May, they

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Caleb's kind of giving you that

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Speaker 1: satisfaction none of that. These guys are not only schooled

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Speaker 1: I was told it wasn't gonna work. Ever, it takes

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Speaker 6: Yeah, easy to smile when you're ridding high and recovering

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Speaker 6: I had the Bears last week. But you gotta be real,

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Speaker 6: it's easy when you're eleven and four. Let's see what

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Speaker 6: some when some adversity hits.

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Speaker 1: How that there was a little adversity early in the season.

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Speaker 6: But when they get lost to Detroit by thirty maybe yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean there were some operational things they had to

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Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't pretty in the first year one

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Speaker 1: with Ben Jonson's right. Yeah that's nice. Yeah, that's good stuff.

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Speaker 1: All right, Greg Cosell fifty minutes from now, can't wait

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Speaker 1: Well, the Dallas Mavericks beat the Denver Nuggets last night,

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Speaker 1: surprise surprise. But what's increasingly not becoming a surprise is

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Speaker 1: that Cooper Flagg had thirty three points. He's nineteen. He

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Speaker 6: Yes, indeed we did all right, Colin. We got some

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Speaker 3: Now there's a lot to get into here.

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Speaker 6: I just buzzed through the story here in the last

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Speaker 6: not good for the future of Lamar Jackson in Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: Apparently he wants a new deal.

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Speaker 6: Number two years ago, when I wanted the Jets to

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Speaker 6: It's clear that coach John Harbaugh has become tired of Jackson. Colin,

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Speaker 1: How about this one? How about this quote? He doesn't

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Speaker 6: Twenty four percent of the Raven salary cap is going

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Speaker 6: They tried to put pieces together some young guys. None

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Speaker 6: We know he's from South Florida or Las Vegas, where

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is interesting. This is a fascinating story. If

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Speaker 3: So Colin, right out of the bat, I can tell

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Speaker 2: Guess what?

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Speaker 3: Guess it was a quarterback that.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if Pete Carroll's gonna coach Labar, but

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Speaker 6: Colin Like we just saw it in the Division. Joe

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Speaker 1: If this story is true.

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Speaker 6: Well I don't doubt it at all. And here's the

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Speaker 6: other problem for Baltimore Colin. It's like, no, no, we'll

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Speaker 6: He's going to be thirty in January of twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: and I just think the best way to put it is,

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Speaker 1: Lamar's gone from six guys that you don't even pick

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Speaker 1: the phone up to the next six or seven to

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Speaker 1: eight guys where you're not looking to trade him, but

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Speaker 1: you'll listen. Yeah, you'll listen.

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Speaker 6: John Harball, it's me or Lamar. I don't know anyways,

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Speaker 6: all right, let's move on. Travis Kelce, Colin and the

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Speaker 6: Kansas City Chiefs. Very interesting subplot to this Christmas game tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: It's probably his final game at Arrowhead Andy Reid was

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Speaker 6: asked about that, and here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if it is or not.

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Speaker 11: I haven't talked to him, but I think his numbers

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Speaker 11: and personality and the person how I think speak for themselves.

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Speaker 11: Phenomenal person great for the community, has been great for

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Speaker 11: the community. He's everything you know you want from a

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Speaker 11: player representing an organization.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's over any Listen, the games tomorrow

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Speaker 6: aren't awesome. Any action from you on Bronco's Chiefs thirteen

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Speaker 6: and a half on the road.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that Dallas number tomorrow?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I already bet Dallas. But I'm looking at this Chiefs gape.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Chiefs totally roll over here, do you.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think Denver's in a bad mood so and I

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Speaker 1: think Denver's looking around at New England. I think Denver

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Speaker 1: is if they could would pile on a little bit,

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Speaker 1: little extra touchdown or field goal, I think I actually

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Speaker 1: think Denver's decide. I think Kansas City can say we're embarrassed,

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Speaker 1: so what they just don't have the personnel. I think

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Speaker 1: the Bronco's awful loss with Jacksonville and New England breathing

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Speaker 1: down their neck. I can see Denver san Fellas. We

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Speaker 1: got to write the ship here. Let's make not only

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Speaker 1: a win, let's make a statement. Interesting. Huh.

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Speaker 3: I need to see Raceie Rice. If all these guys

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Speaker 3: are going to play, I don't know, Trent McDuffie.

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Speaker 6: Do they just say, ah, forget it, season's over. Probably

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Speaker 6: nothing on me for that game. And finally let's go

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Speaker 6: to the Cliland Browns and Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 3: One of the.

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Speaker 6: Interesting subplots here is is he going to break the

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Speaker 6: all times sack record? I don't know, Colin, He's very close.

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Speaker 6: He's one of the all time great defensive ends. He's

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Speaker 6: one sack away from the record. A former teammate of

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Speaker 6: Garrett believes he's the best defensive player ever. He's the

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Speaker 6: best defensive pass rusher I've ever seen in my entire life.

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Speaker 1: And that goes back to watching Reggie White.

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Speaker 6: When I was a kid, when he was with the

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Speaker 6: Green Bay Packers win in a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And so I think what Miles is doing is amazing.

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Speaker 6: And especially when you consider he's doing it on a

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Speaker 6: team that's not very good.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a good point because the Browns usually trail late,

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Speaker 1: meaning teams don't throw, so he doesn't get the opportunities

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Speaker 1: because the Browns usually trail with eight minutes to go.

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Speaker 1: I think what you can make this argument that Miles

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Speaker 1: Garrett has moved into a group of the four greatest

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Speaker 1: defensive players Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Aaron Donald, I mean

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Speaker 1: unblockable players, and I never thought there was a fourth.

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Speaker 1: Those were always the three. I mean Aaron Donald. There

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Speaker 1: is video of Aaron Donald. Think about this J MCT

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Speaker 1: of Aaron Donald. It is last year being triple team

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Speaker 1: where your offensive line coach goes. I got five guys,

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Speaker 1: three of them block Aaron Donald. So Donald, Reggie Lawrence

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Speaker 1: are the three greatest I've seen now, I think Ed

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Speaker 1: Reid and Ronnie Lott. I mean, there's been other DJ Sanders,

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Speaker 1: but JJ Watt is unbelievable and a great broadcaster. By

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Speaker 1: the way, he's a tremendous broadcaster. But I do think

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Speaker 1: there's an argument, and maybe JJ Watt was also in this. JJ.

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, you're in like, okay, can we do the

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Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore thing? Do we have a fourth guy? And

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Speaker 1: I think there's an argument, Miles Garrett, and he needs

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Speaker 1: to This is important when you plan a bad team,

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Speaker 1: you trail late in games. So, Miles Garrett, you know

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Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney is a very good player. You know, Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning and the Colts led eighty percent of their games

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Speaker 1: with six minutes to go. Dwight Freeney could pit his

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Speaker 1: ears back and go They're passing. And the league was

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Speaker 1: not as mobile for quarterbacks, so you knew where the

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Speaker 1: quarterback was seven steps behind the center. So for Miles

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Speaker 1: to do this, when you contextualize it, it's really something.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of not mobile Aaron Rodgers this week, is there

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Speaker 6: a warl where Aaron Rodgers just lays down to give

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Speaker 6: Miles Garrett the record?

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Speaker 3: He's just such a nice.

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Speaker 1: War far did that to Michael Strahan?

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir ee, good memory, I think Rogers. I can

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Speaker 6: totally see that happening coming.

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Speaker 1: Out of respect. I might have to change, you know,

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Speaker 1: if Aaron does that, I might have to change my

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Speaker 1: tune a new chapter in the Aaron book. Yes. Jmack

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Speaker 1: with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for

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Speaker 1: stopping by the.

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: There are Greg Cosell Top of the Hour. There's so

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Speaker 1: many good topics today. I don't know which one to pick.

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Speaker 1: There's a cowboy topic that's fascinating. You see George Pickens

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Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl. Well you're rolling your eyes. Well

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Speaker 1: he made the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, wonderful he made the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 6: Put that on your resume, like, yes, it doesn't enhance

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Speaker 6: his trade value, Colin.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's only did they only sign him. He did

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Speaker 1: a one year deal on year deal, so it's like

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Speaker 1: sign him franchise tag. So it's really there's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's a very interesting proposition for the Cowboys on George Pickens. Plus,

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Speaker 1: I like people to have takes. I'm going to take business,

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Speaker 1: so I'm there's a lot of bad ones, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of good ones. But don't ever listen to anybody.

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Speaker 1: If you have a strong opinion and it's a theory,

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Speaker 1: it may not work, it's unproven. You go ahead and

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Speaker 1: have it. But I want to talk Pickens and the

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Speaker 1: worst take of the year that's coming up.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 6: There's some more great football come in your way in

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Speaker 6: the Trust and Will Holiday Bowl Noah Fafida and Arizona

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Speaker 6: take on SMU. Don't miss a perennial barn Burner January second,

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Speaker 6: at seven thirty eastern.

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Speaker 1: On Fox, Greg co Sal fifteen minutes. So I am

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Speaker 1: in the sports opinion business. Don't listen to the old

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Speaker 1: grumpy gatekeepers, the media critics. You have any opinion you want.

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Speaker 1: I love when people have theories and they're not even

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Speaker 1: necessarily going to work out, but it makes me think.

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Speaker 1: I like anybody that makes me think. But there is

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Speaker 1: one sports opinion that is just bad and you can't

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Speaker 1: have it. Even I not an old grumpy gatekeeper, I

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Speaker 1: will not accept it, which is, you know, Justin Herberts

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Speaker 1: never won a playoff game. He is overrated. Not acceptable.

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Speaker 1: So PFF ranked all thirty two offensive supporting casts for

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, the O line, the running back, the tight end,

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver. Now at the top, I think we'd

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Speaker 1: all agree, Rams and Colts and Bears and Bills and

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Speaker 1: Lions and Seahawks. But look at the bottom. Five awful

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Speaker 1: teams awful except the Chargers, who are not only not awful,

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Speaker 1: they're eleven and four. Oh I forgot Justin Herbert's never

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Speaker 1: won a playoff game. It took Matt Stafford thirteen years

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Speaker 1: to win a playoff game. I think he's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Took Peyton Manning six. I also think he's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert this year has been sacked forty nine times.

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Speaker 1: He has been hit one hundred and twenty one. There's

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Speaker 1: nobody close to that. He has a broken hand. His

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Speaker 1: leading rusher has three touchdowns. It's the thirty second ranked

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Speaker 1: offensive line and they're eleven and four. Oh yeah, but

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Speaker 1: he he did leave a playoff game and his coach

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Speaker 1: a disaster, gagged away the second half. So as twenty

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Speaker 1: and twenty five is coming to a close, you can

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Speaker 1: have any sports opinion you want. Don't listen to the

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Speaker 1: critics and the gatekeepers that the fun of sports and

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Speaker 1: politics is debating. There's nothing better to debate than sports

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Speaker 1: and politics. Say what you want, have fun, But you

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Speaker 1: can't say Justin Herbert's overrated after this year. If you want,

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh's pretty intense. Jim Harbaugh becomes a stand up comic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy literally can't wipe the smile all

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Speaker 1: off his face every time he gets asked about what

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's doing this year, and.

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Speaker 10: Justin Herbert, he's a superhero.

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Speaker 3: He is a competitive maniac.

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Speaker 10: There's something in his competitive fire almost it motivates him

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Speaker 10: even more. Justin Herbert pack to throw just a mighty man. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna remember that playing so they throw dirt over

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Speaker 10: top of me. There's almost some about him as far

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Speaker 10: as quarterback performances go. That was a Picasso. It felt

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Speaker 10: like like I was in a movie. Like we were

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Speaker 10: in a movie where you know, the quarterback's doing these

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Speaker 10: and it's like you get to the point where we go, Okay,

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Speaker 10: this is getting a little unrealistic. I do have an

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Speaker 10: update on his physical status. He's still a beast.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is unbelievable. Thirty second ranked offensive

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Speaker 1: line backups to backups eleven and four, broken hand leading

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Speaker 1: Russia as six hundred and thirty five yards and three

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Speaker 1: touchdowns eleven and four. He's gotten the you know what

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Speaker 1: kicked out of him every Sunday. I mean last week

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Speaker 1: he didn't get sacked. I mean it must have felt

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Speaker 1: like a weird out of body experience. He didn't take

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Speaker 1: a helmet to the throat last week. Can't have that,

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Speaker 1: sports opinion, at least not after watching this year. Can't

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Speaker 1: not acceptable. Okay. So George Pickens, Dallas receiver, made the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. And I really do think the difference between

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Speaker 1: like a great GM and a good GM and an

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Speaker 1: average GM. A lot of times do you understand the

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Speaker 1: difference between talent. There's a lot of talent and pro

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Speaker 1: sports and foundational players. Tim Duncan's a foundational player. Zach

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Speaker 1: Levine's talented. Okay, I would argue George Pickens is not

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Speaker 1: a foundational player. And you got him for a third

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Speaker 1: round pick and he made a Pro Bowl. Don't get greedy.

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Speaker 1: He's not a foundational piece. Okay. Dallas already has cd

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Speaker 1: lamb Ryan Flornoy is becoming really good, really fast, and

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Speaker 1: Pickens is starting to exhibit certain personality qualities that you

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Speaker 1: thought Georgia and Pittsburgh kind of disappears. So again, ninety

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Speaker 1: percent of NFL players, and I'm talking about the good

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Speaker 1: players are not foundational pieces. There are very I've said,

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Speaker 1: and when it comes to the NFL, pay huge money

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Speaker 1: very infrequently. Josh Allen, whatever, Mahomes whatever, you know. It

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Speaker 1: looks like Drake May is one of those you pay whatever. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams keeps doing this. Yeah, you don't pick up

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Speaker 1: the phone, you pay whatever. But the talented guys, in fact,

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Speaker 1: even the Pro bowlers are not foundational. Miles Garrett's foundational. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Panay Sueanay suell that that's foundational, you know, and you say, well,

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Speaker 1: he's just right tackle No, No, that's foundational. Okay, Miles Garrett's foundational.

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill people thought was, but the Chiefs knew better.

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Speaker 1: They won two Super Bowls without him. Miami didn't win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game with him. So, I mean, the best

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Speaker 1: GM in the league arguably is John Snyder and Seattle

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Speaker 1: moved off DK Metcalf. Seattle is vying for the number

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Speaker 1: one seed without him. Yeah, without him, he was not

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Speaker 1: a foundational player. Js N feels like that's a foundational player,

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Speaker 1: runs the route tree, great hands, doesn't matter the defense,

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Speaker 1: mature leader, JSN fields, and there's not. Jamar Chase is foundational.

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill's talented. Well, what's the difference? Consistency maturity, getting

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Speaker 1: along with your quarterback and your coach, not throwing people

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Speaker 1: under the bus. I'll tell you. Pooka Nakua had a

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Speaker 1: bad couple of weeks. Dude, A little less live streaming,

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Speaker 1: little more leadership. Okay, I know it's a fine line,

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Speaker 1: but I think there's an argument with floor Noy becoming

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Speaker 1: a real go to guy. Pigs get fed, Hoggs gets slaughtered.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that what they always say on Wall Street, Like

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Speaker 1: you got this stock for almost nothing, it doubled or

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Speaker 1: tripled in price. Maybe now's the cell time And that's

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Speaker 1: not a knock. I am not in any way saying

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Speaker 1: George isn't a remarkable player. I mean, like seven games in,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I think you have to

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Speaker 1: resign him. I know there's the temper stuff. I know that,

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Speaker 1: I think, but you let stuff play out. These are

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Speaker 1: long seasons. The weather gets cold, the practices get hard,

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Speaker 1: players get dinged up, the real truth comes out. We

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Speaker 1: had that Lamar Jackson story, you know, twenty five minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, is more information comes out, you have different opinions.

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Speaker 1: That's what adults do. So I don't know. I I

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Speaker 1: think I was. I'm watching the Cowboys the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks and I'm like, where'd George go? And I

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Speaker 1: think Dallas knows it, because if you noticed, it feels

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Speaker 1: like they're making Florin Oi a bigger part of the

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Speaker 1: game plan. That's what it feels like to me. Here's

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Speaker 1: pickings on his Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 8: It definitely improves as far as like a career, as

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Speaker 8: far as like contractually wise, like you said, I can

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Speaker 8: just just wait till all season.

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Speaker 1: Definitely.

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Speaker 8: Like I always said, the guys here I feel like

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Speaker 8: you can't get And that's why I always say that,

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Speaker 8: because you cannot get that everywhere. I kind of been

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Speaker 8: at other places top thirty visits when I was coming

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Speaker 8: on in a pre draft. The guys here is just in.

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Speaker 8: The culture here is just a little different.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. There was an NFL trade. Jmack was

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Speaker 1: highly critical of it when the Colts gave up two

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Speaker 1: firsts for Sauce Gardener, and I text, I text a

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Speaker 1: GM that I trust, and he said his take was

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Speaker 1: two firsts is a foundational player. Sauce Gardner is a

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Speaker 1: talented player, He's not a foundational player. Now, Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: obviously disagrees with that. When you give up multiple firsts

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Speaker 1: like Matt Stafford, that's a foundational player, right right right.

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Speaker 1: I always thought Calvin Johnson, the maturity, the size, the consistency,

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Speaker 1: the physicality. That's a found that you can build for

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Speaker 1: ten years around him. Gets along with coaches. Randy Moss

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Speaker 1: is talented, but he could struggle sometimes with you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the relationship stuff. He get frustrated. I love

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Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs, but again, over time he's gotten frustrated. It fits,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't fit. There are very few guys in pro.

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Speaker 3: Sports quarterbacks and maybe some left tackles.

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Speaker 1: Interback, left tackle. A handful of Max Crosby. I'm not

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Speaker 1: trading Max Crosby. I'm not I'm not trading Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 1: Jared versu Is becoming a star player. There are a

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Speaker 1: handful of guys you look at and you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's just not I'm not but a guy. Last week,

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Speaker 1: Abdul Carter of the Giants, unbelievable talent. He's missed meetings,

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Speaker 1: he lined up offside, the Giants had a defensive touchdown

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Speaker 1: taken away. So you're already as a rookie to me

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Speaker 1: telling me signs you're just a talented guy. You're not

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Speaker 1: a foundational piece guy. Michael Strahan foundational. You got consistency,

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Speaker 1: you got the maturity, you've got the respect in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. So no, it's not a criticism. Very few

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Speaker 1: great players are guys you're like, let's sign him for

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Speaker 1: eight years. I mean, if be like a baseball contract,

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Speaker 1: we'll give you four to five years. There's no doubts

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Speaker 1: in the room.