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Speaker 1: So we're taking the show on the road. At least

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Speaker 1: one of us was on the road. Guy Darren Urban

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Speaker 1: with me Bird Gang. That's right, the Darren Urban aka

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Speaker 1: Cards Chatter. He's our eyes and ears in Denver. We're

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Speaker 1: talking joint practice preseason game number two, plus Trey McBride

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Speaker 1: and Kalaias Campbell back in their home state. It's Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode nine fourteen, and it starts now.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craigcriolo.

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Speaker 1: Let's start here because fans of cards Chatter want to know.

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Speaker 1: I want to know, Darren, having watched and followed social

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Speaker 1: are you still wearing the bucket hat?

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Speaker 3: Uh No, the bucket hat is back in my room,

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Speaker 3: but it was definitely necessary today because it was blazing.

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Speaker 3: I understand you know, those in Arizona are like, well

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Speaker 3: one eighteen, goodness gracious, like what's the big deal with

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Speaker 3: ninety seven or whatever. But there was no cloud cover

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Speaker 1: There is a difference between ninety seven in Tempe versus

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Speaker 3: It definitely felt intense. I mean, if you were in

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Speaker 1: The practice was in full pads, as you noted on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: the Broncos. We heard from JG before practice about getting

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Speaker 3: We can say what I saw. I mean, I will

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Speaker 3: And it was a mixed bag probably for the Cardinals offense.

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Speaker 1: Your exact wording in your tweet about Trey was Trey

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, this is a guy who grew up

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Speaker 1: Like that, Zach Allen to me, the one that got away.

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Speaker 1: You lead me right into what I was gonna bring

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna pretend to speak to any individual play today.

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Speaker 4: Now that's not across the board.

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Speaker 1: Four running backs will be kept. I just don't know

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Speaker 1: By the way, Darren, that is a brilliant description on

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Speaker 4: I'm a wordsmith, Craig.

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Speaker 1: You are all of it. By the way, on Easycardinals

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Craig, it all comes. It comes to an

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Speaker 1: as kickoffs being caught and maintained and unt's being caught

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Speaker 1: and maintained.

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Speaker 4: Not that I noticed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So hopefully that has been all cleaned up, by

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Speaker 1: the way, because when I saw your tweet about the

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Speaker 1: dust up between Cardinals and Broncos, did you happen to

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Speaker 1: see whether James Connor and Talanoa Hufunga hooked up at all,

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Speaker 1: whether just for pleasantries or to resume their postgame scuffle

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I was not looking for that. I'm

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Speaker 3: disappointed you did not team me up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know what. I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: It hit me at some point late and I was like,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, I think I was looking at a roster.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh wait, WHU fun is now there? I

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Speaker 1: will I's right, I.

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Speaker 3: Will say this after practice, when Kalais was talking uh,

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Speaker 3: he had noted that he got a chance to talk

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Speaker 3: to Peyton Manning a little bit in the U during

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Speaker 3: practice when there was a little break and there was

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Speaker 3: a couple of his teammates that were kind of awestruck

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Speaker 3: that Peyton was there. So Campbell went over and made

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Speaker 3: sure they got introduced to each other, and then me

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Speaker 3: and the Great jim O Mahundro basically stepped on each

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Speaker 3: other to ask Kalais if they had talked about out

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Speaker 3: Peyton tackling him on the interception in twenty fourteen, preventing

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Speaker 3: Khalais from getting a touchdown in Denver.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a highlight that Kalais will never be able

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Speaker 1: to live down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Clais was disappointed because he went to go bring

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Speaker 3: it up and Peyton apparently said, oh, yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: just telling whoever they were next to. I was just

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Speaker 3: just telling this guy that story. So I think Khalais

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Speaker 3: said his feelings were hurt a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Did you happen to ask or catch Peyton and ask

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Speaker 1: him why didn't come to Arizona and force all of

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Speaker 1: us to stand out? And I think believe all day

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Speaker 1: on a Sunday when he visited the practice facility.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to state for the record, I've thought

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Speaker 3: about this once upon a time. I thought, well, I

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Speaker 3: don't know about that, but I wonder if they would

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Speaker 3: have had above average quarterback play that year, if that

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Speaker 3: team wouldn't have been pretty good. They did start four

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Speaker 3: to oh, they had a pretty good defense. That would

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Speaker 3: have been an interesting time instead of going five and

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Speaker 3: eleven because they couldn't do anything offensively.

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Speaker 4: A great what if?

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Speaker 1: Speaking of what IF's the question that was you can't

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Speaker 1: have a raise, crack, okay, glad it always comes back

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Speaker 1: to money. Hey, he's gonna keep bringing it up. The

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Speaker 1: question was asked twice. Not sure why I was asked

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Speaker 1: twice since you asked it the first time to j

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Speaker 1: G and it was answered, but then it was again

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Speaker 1: asked later on JG at that point of the day,

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Speaker 1: didn't know if the starters were going to play on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Sean Payton post practice says, oh, yeah, neither

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Speaker 1: team plans to play many of its starters, so I

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Speaker 1: guess we expect no one to play as far as

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Speaker 1: the first team offense and defense, at least, that's probably

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Speaker 1: the expectation, a realistic expectation for this Saturday.

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Speaker 4: I guess I'll be honest.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Jonathan Gannon knew Chan Payte was

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Speaker 3: gonna tell the world what his plans were. But but

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Speaker 3: if Sean Payton knows, it really doesn't matter if the

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Speaker 3: rest of the world knows, because that would be the

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Speaker 3: one person you would want to know if you're Jonathan Gannon.

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Speaker 3: So if he said something to him, I guess that's

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Speaker 3: a that's but yeah, I kind of already assumed that

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Speaker 3: they weren't going to play. Now what's interesting is apparently

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton was telling the Denver media that he is

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Speaker 3: planning on playing some of his guys in the third

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Speaker 3: preseason game. And I'll be curious to know if Gannon

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Speaker 3: decides to do that, hold him out this game and

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Speaker 3: then bring them back for a little bit of work

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Speaker 3: in the other game.

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Speaker 4: But we'll find out.

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Speaker 1: That would be an interesting that would be That would

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Speaker 1: be interesting because typically you don't if you're gonna skip

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Speaker 1: a game, you would skip that final game. But then

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Speaker 1: we go back to all right, there is so much

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Speaker 1: time between whether that's that second preseason game of the

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Speaker 1: third preseason game and week one. Do you want a

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Speaker 1: little work in a live setting. Maybe it's not a

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Speaker 1: full quarter, but at least Peyton said that it was

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Speaker 1: gonna be eight to ten plays. So you get these

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Speaker 1: guys dressed in uniform on the field and then off

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Speaker 1: the field.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I could, I could see it. Like again,

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know exactly what the thought process

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Speaker 3: is gonna be. To be honest, there was a small

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Speaker 3: part of me that was a little surprised that they

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Speaker 3: played this year in the first place, just because that

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Speaker 3: hasn't been what he's been doing. That's Jonathan Annon. So

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Speaker 3: we're gonna find out sooner rather than later about next week.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it'll be on top of us before we

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Speaker 3: know it. I mean we're already almost to the second

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Speaker 3: preseason game, Craig.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, second preseason game coming up on Saturday. Six point

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Speaker 1: thirty is the kickoff Arizona Time two thirty. Pre game

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Speaker 1: coverage begins on the Arizona Cardinals Radio network. I'm, personally,

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Speaker 1: Darren a little disappointed that we don't get to see

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Speaker 1: the starters in preseason game number one. The offense was

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Speaker 1: on the field for eighteen snaps, the defense eleven. I

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Speaker 1: guess if you saw enough today here on this joint

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Speaker 1: practice on a Thursday, maybe you don't need to see

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Speaker 1: it again on Saturday, especially if the Broncos aren't playing

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Speaker 1: their starters. But I'm just there's more and more teams

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Speaker 1: across the league. Carol today announced that, yeah, the Raiders'

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Speaker 1: starters we are full go on this weekend, And as

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Speaker 1: far as the preseason is concerned, there just seems to

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Speaker 1: be a growing a belief or an opinion across the

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Speaker 1: league that you know what starters do need to play

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Speaker 1: and maybe need to play multiple games, just maybe not

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Speaker 1: multiple quarters.

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Speaker 4: Overall. I mean, again, every coach is going to be different.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Again, one of the things both Trey mcbriden klays Campbell

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Speaker 3: said after practice today when people kept asking about the work,

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Speaker 3: they said, it was good work. And I'm paraphrasing, of course,

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Speaker 3: it was good work. Everybody came hard. But the most

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Speaker 3: important thing is it looked like everybody came out of

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Speaker 3: it unscathed. And we can continue to harp on this

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Speaker 3: all we want about who's playing and who's not playing

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Speaker 3: and if they should play, but that's still the number

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Speaker 3: one story of every preseason game is who got hurt?

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Speaker 3: And until that becomes not the number one story, narrator,

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Speaker 3: it will always be the number one story, no matter what.

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Speaker 3: Until that becomes not the number one story, that's always

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Speaker 3: going to be something you have to consider when you're

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Speaker 3: talking about playing guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't disagree, deal. You know where Shaun Slater

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Speaker 1: was hurt in practice. Landon Dickerson was hurt in practice,

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Speaker 1: although it looks like he escaped serious injuries. So again,

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Speaker 1: I'll go back. Week one is not for a long

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Speaker 1: time as far as number of days, and that seems

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Speaker 1: like to me a long time to not have your

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Speaker 1: body hitting something or feeling what it's going to be

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Speaker 1: like week one in New Orleans. That's just me. I

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Speaker 1: mean again, I'm not the head coach. I just you

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Speaker 1: know I work for you, Darren.

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Speaker 4: Did you stay at a holiday and express last night?

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Speaker 1: I did not? Did you? You're the one that's on

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Speaker 1: the road. I'm here in by the way, I hi, Okay,

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Speaker 1: by the way, am I missed? This is the third

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Speaker 1: training camp and as many training camps for JG that

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Speaker 1: there has been a joint practice that does not include me.

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Speaker 1: Not that I'm complaining, just a statement of facts. So again,

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Speaker 1: am I missed at all?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's let's put it this way. Two years ago,

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Speaker 3: one of the Minnesota practices might have been the hottest

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Speaker 3: I've ever been outside ever with the combined temperature and humidity.

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Speaker 3: Last year one of the practices, it was done in

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Speaker 3: a hurricane like downpour for almost the whole practice. And

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Speaker 3: then today not as hot as Minnesota, but still you

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Speaker 3: felt it. So I'm wondering, Craig, are you really missing it?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I'm not. No, I'm not missing anything. I'm saying do

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Speaker 1: you miss me not being there? That's where I was going.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can pretty much, and that sentence after me

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Speaker 3: with the period, and I'm just gonna say no, so

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Speaker 3: don't worry about.

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Speaker 4: It, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I would have been nice to have seen or talk

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Speaker 1: with toy Levello, who was at practice. Which is a

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Speaker 1: weird coincidence that the Diamondbacks are in Colorado playing the

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Speaker 1: Rockies while the call it, while the Cardinals are in

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Speaker 1: Denver playing the Broncos on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I will be partaking in one of those.

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Speaker 1: Games Thursday night, Friday night, not Saturday night obviously, and

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Speaker 1: not really not Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I'm aiming for for Friday night. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I actually, if it wasn't so late already, I was

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Speaker 3: giving some thought to maybe going two nights in a

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Speaker 3: row and going tonight. But I am well behind schedule

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Speaker 3: in terms of getting all my stuff done, so.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, Well let's tease forward. What can what can

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Speaker 3: Well, we got I'm just finishing up kind of the

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Speaker 3: notes and stuff I talk about. The koalais talking about

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Speaker 3: this being in the end, and then the other notes

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Speaker 3: from what I saw practice that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Uh, just gotta I'm just waiting for.

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Speaker 3: The pictures to get approved, don't we all, And then

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Speaker 3: I will have a main story on Trey McBride, who

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Speaker 3: I was planning on doing anyways, And I've been working

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Speaker 3: on a wanting to work on a Trey McBride story anyways. Uh,

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Speaker 3: And the fact that you know he came home and

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Speaker 3: the fact that he had such a huge day anyways

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Speaker 3: very much dovetails nicely into wanting to do a story

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Speaker 3: about him.

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Speaker 1: I think a sign of things to come. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be saying that a lot. You're gonna be writing it

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Speaker 1: a lot, Trey McBride with a big day on whether

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Speaker 1: it's a Sunday, Monday, or Thursday this season.

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Speaker 4: This is true.

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Speaker 1: It's just I'm just gonna go out on a limb.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're you're good out there on the limb there, Craig,

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Speaker 3: I do what I can. I should give you a

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Speaker 3: raise for that.

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Speaker 1: It's good, you know what, Cody clip that. I'll use

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Speaker 1: that on the annual review. Appreciate that very very much, Darren.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your day, enjoy the work, and I guess I'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good. On that note, we'll put a lit on.

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