Speaker 1: Sound bites.
Speaker 2: It's gonna sound crazy, but I'll explain it later. I
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck who the president is.
Speaker 3: Thanks facts and truth is im Tie.
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Speaker 5: was about our growth, a place where we could be vulnerable, be.
Speaker 4: Wrong, of course, but most apportly be us.
Speaker 5: But as we know, life keeps evolving and so do we,
Speaker 5: and through it all, one thing has never changed.
Speaker 6: This is.
Speaker 5: Because we got a lot to talk about. All right,
Speaker 5: all right, storytime.
Speaker 1: Here's the funny part.
Speaker 2: Right, everybody knows trouble and on storytime because trouble is
Speaker 2: opera do so she creates the whole thing. And for
Speaker 2: the runner show, she ain't even put a story time.
Speaker 2: That's how tired niggas is. Because we tired, like we
Speaker 2: really really tired. Okay, So I'm gonna tell you a
Speaker 2: story about fatigue, and I'm not even gonna take you
Speaker 2: back to a specific time. I'm gonna take you back
Speaker 2: to what I had to live through in my life.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I was born in nineteen eighty four. The president was
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, so I was born into Reaganomics.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I lived through both Bushes.
Speaker 2: Trump one term and now Trump another term. I honestly
Speaker 2: feel like there's nothing that I haven't seen in these
Speaker 2: forty years. I lived through stopping frisk, mass incarceration, nine
Speaker 2: to eleven, the pandemic, like all the things, and every
Speaker 2: time something came up, I thought it was doomsday. The
Speaker 2: older I get now, I realize that they don't.
Speaker 4: Have the control we have it.
Speaker 3: That's a fact.
Speaker 4: So that's my story.
Speaker 5: Every other day, I'm like, geezus coming for forty years.
Speaker 5: I'm like, be prepared. Let me get prepared. So you know,
Speaker 5: facts here, we are.
Speaker 4: Here, we are karaoke.
Speaker 1: Okay, you started in the sound bite.
Speaker 5: I was like, we've used this song before, but I
Speaker 5: think it's just very appropriate.
Speaker 3: Truth is, some time.
Speaker 1: Options are few.
Speaker 3: Right, they're actually fruit few.
Speaker 4: It's bad.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean we have I mean at this point,
Speaker 5: what can we control. I feel like it's my biggest thing.
Speaker 7: You know, you're tired because y'all just stop singing Carrier completely.
Speaker 1: Well, I have.
Speaker 2: Another part of karaoke, though, Man, I do have another
Speaker 2: part of karaoke, and it's the song that we sang
Speaker 2: before my man, Tupac uh Huh's favorite song. Yeah, remember changes?
Speaker 2: So I see no changes? Wake up in the morning
Speaker 2: and I asked my self, is life work living? Should
Speaker 2: I blast myself? I'm try to be im poorant even
Speaker 2: worse some black. My stomach hurts, so I'm looking for
Speaker 2: a purse to snatch. It is twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 2: people still feel the same exact way. That song was
Speaker 2: written in the nineties by Tupac Shakor, and there are
Speaker 2: a lot of young people, not just men, men and
Speaker 2: women who feel the same exact way. Because we're headed
Speaker 2: towards another recession, so we're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 2: We're gonna bring some light and levity to this topic.
Speaker 5: It don't it is gonna be what it's gonna be, yes,
Speaker 5: but at least we have some solidarity together.
Speaker 3: We can visit and we can just talk about how
Speaker 3: this all feels.
Speaker 2: And here's the truth though, because I've been watching a
Speaker 2: lot of television, black people ain't the only people trying
Speaker 2: to survive in this administration, all right, we are back,
Speaker 2: and before we get into the meat horse of the show,
Speaker 2: we can go to my favorite segment of the show
Speaker 2: with my home girl trouble trips.
Speaker 1: Yo yo, no, I'm interested what you got for me today?
Speaker 3: What's happening?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 4: Uh these are mostly politically.
Speaker 8: This a little bit because the United States is getting
Speaker 8: a bad rap out of all over the world right now,
Speaker 8: and uh it wasn't bad enough. A French lawmaker recently
Speaker 8: said that he wants the US to give back the
Speaker 8: Statue of Liberty, and I wanted to hear y'all's op
Speaker 8: for no op on. This is your New Yorkers. You
Speaker 8: grew up with the girl, you know, the girl.
Speaker 3: That's the big sense, that's big Sense.
Speaker 5: I definitely went up to her crown, you know, one
Speaker 5: day with Bethlehem.
Speaker 4: That was the second school trip.
Speaker 1: Shout out now trade.
Speaker 8: School, yes, yes, yes, So before you answer this, though,
Speaker 8: I wanted to share with you some history I learned
Speaker 8: about the Statue of Liberty recently.
Speaker 4: Okay, so the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 8: Is supposed to come in ain't the end of slavery?
Speaker 8: And because of that, the Lady Liberty is supposed to
Speaker 8: be a black woman who is broken free of her chains. However, Americans,
Speaker 8: whoever was in charge at that point, they did not
Speaker 8: want to depict a slave in the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 8: So the French dude who made it, he delivered the
Speaker 8: statue without the chains. But if you go to the
Speaker 8: Statue of Liberty, you can actually see the broken chains
Speaker 8: at her feet. They're still there, but they're not visible
Speaker 8: from the sky yet. So having said that, what is
Speaker 8: your op or no op on the Statue of Liberty
Speaker 8: being given back to friends?
Speaker 5: Her features aren't given system at all because they didn't
Speaker 5: want to where's the full lips and the nose like
Speaker 5: I want to see us? So maybe they should like
Speaker 5: send her back and fix her and bring her back.
Speaker 2: Well, if we're being honest, I'm just wondering if France
Speaker 2: is going to if they want stuff back, or they're
Speaker 2: going to give Haiti back reparation as they did to
Speaker 2: the Asian people.
Speaker 1: That's just really if we're going to stalk.
Speaker 2: To hold people accountable, that really hold people accountable, because
Speaker 2: France has been exploiting Haiti since the Haitian Revolution, the
Speaker 2: actual first slave revolution against the French people.
Speaker 4: So if we're gonna, you know, talk about reality France.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying that, you know, the United States
Speaker 2: needs to do better, but United States is not the
Speaker 2: only country that needs to do better.
Speaker 4: And that's that's my opinion on that.
Speaker 5: So Haiti is one of a couple of Caribbean islands
Speaker 5: that I know I've been the rule.
Speaker 1: People talk about it, talk about it, talk about it.
Speaker 4: Talk about it.
Speaker 5: We're going to be pulling straws here, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Let's go all the way with it.
Speaker 4: That's my opinion. I agree with that.
Speaker 8: I think the French France is probably one of the
Speaker 8: worst perpetrators of colonialism.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I feel like m maybe deal with that.
Speaker 4: I wonder if people know that.
Speaker 2: And after the slaves freed themselves in Haiti, the French
Speaker 2: government told them, you know what, will give you your freedom,
Speaker 2: but you're gonna have to pay us for all of
Speaker 2: the freed slaves y'all had. So the Haitian government has
Speaker 2: been paying France for freeing the slave, which is the
Speaker 2: most asinine thing. But let's be honest, that happened here
Speaker 2: in America. T Yeah, we never got reparations as a people,
Speaker 2: but you know who did get reparations sharecroppers, they were
Speaker 2: given the equivalent of during that time, it was twenty
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars per slave that they let free right
Speaker 2: and the slaves were given nothing, but the sharecroppers were
Speaker 2: given money by the American government for releasing people as property.
Speaker 2: So I just want to be clear as to why
Speaker 2: we believe what we believe.
Speaker 4: And these are not opinions, these are facts. You can
Speaker 4: look it up.
Speaker 2: Imagine what twenty five hundred per person would have done
Speaker 2: for the black community in that time if you gave
Speaker 2: every slave, not just forty eight was in a mule,
Speaker 2: which was promised before it was taken away after the
Speaker 2: assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Or give them twenty five hundred
Speaker 2: dollars in that time in eighteen sixty three, imagine what
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: Would have done.
Speaker 5: Twelve hundred dollars people got during COVID Was it the
Speaker 5: similar checks.
Speaker 8: Yeah, everybody was fighting over because the modern mortgage system
Speaker 8: is based off of slavery, So that's where it comes from.
Speaker 8: Slaves Enslaved people were kind of assigned an amount that
Speaker 8: they were worth, and if you were a slave owner,
Speaker 8: you could basically like take out a second mortgage on
Speaker 8: a person. But if you think about it today, if
Speaker 8: you default on your mortgage yep, and the bank takes
Speaker 8: your house, you don't get the money that you paid back.
Speaker 4: You don't get anything. Batter the bank gets it.
Speaker 8: So if as an enslaved person you were freed, the
Speaker 8: slave owner no longer owns you, You own yourself. You should
Speaker 8: get here to get the work. Hello, it seemed like
Speaker 8: common sense.
Speaker 3: Don't yeah happen?
Speaker 1: Like if they could friends come.
Speaker 2: Over, They're gonna have to deal with a bunch of
Speaker 2: niggas that like going to the statual liberty.
Speaker 1: But I have to take it.
Speaker 4: With us.
Speaker 8: It's getting really well. It's been concerning for black people.
Speaker 8: I don't know that this moment in time is worse.
Speaker 8: But uh, they did just rip up the Black Lives
Speaker 8: Matter Street muror in d C.
Speaker 7: On that it was time. It was dirty. You need
Speaker 7: to if they're going to redo it, redo it. If
Speaker 7: you're gonna get rid of it, get rid of it.
Speaker 7: But it's time.
Speaker 2: They're not going to redo it though, they're just pulling
Speaker 2: it up for the sake of pulling it was time,
Speaker 2: you think, so.
Speaker 6: My my opinion is it was it was it was
Speaker 6: show place. I didn't mean anything taking up something that
Speaker 6: benefit us, like it didn't benefits monetarily and he positions
Speaker 6: a power or anything that it was. It was just
Speaker 6: a show. You want to take your show back, take your.
Speaker 7: Show performance performance, I feel like more than anything else,
Speaker 7: and put a target on was back.
Speaker 4: So that is true.
Speaker 7: It did put a target with a people correct unattentionally.
Speaker 6: Unattentionally, I think I think there were two things.
Speaker 2: There was the movement and then there was the capitalist
Speaker 2: side of it, you know what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people ran with the capitalist size
Speaker 2: of it made it seem like BLM was a bad.
Speaker 4: Thing, and realistically it wasn't.
Speaker 2: And the fact that you have to put Black Lives
Speaker 2: Matter on the street for people to understand that it's problematic.
Speaker 5: We'll think about writing the book, like when you wrote
Speaker 5: the book that was essentially our like a history lesson
Speaker 5: that we wrote for the boys, right, we wrote for
Speaker 5: the boys that listens to the time machine. Yeah, the
Speaker 5: question the tagline is why do we have to say
Speaker 5: Black Lives matter? And that was because that was a
Speaker 5: legitimate question that Jackson asked us at the time. So
Speaker 5: it wasn't us trying to like capitalize on Black Lives
Speaker 5: Matter's movement. It was just a genuine question that at
Speaker 5: the time what nine year old asked us, and it
Speaker 5: was like, all right, well, let's try to explain to
Speaker 5: you some of the history, the actual real black history
Speaker 5: around why we have to say it because people don't
Speaker 5: recognize it.
Speaker 4: I agree with Josh Man, it was performative.
Speaker 2: I think that America does a good job of doing
Speaker 2: performative based things to make us feel comfortable while on
Speaker 2: the back end rolling back.
Speaker 4: The things that are really supposed to help us.
Speaker 2: For example, they made this big deal about pulling down
Speaker 2: Confederate statues and shit while rolling back DEI like programs.
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, let's perform this, or they can
Speaker 2: cheer while we do this.
Speaker 1: If they get rid of.
Speaker 2: The BLM thing, what I think is going to do
Speaker 2: is let black people realize, like, yo, they not fucking
Speaker 2: with us like that, because I think a lot of
Speaker 2: us went to sleep. We fell asleep. If you notice,
Speaker 2: during all of the administrations I talked about Reagan administration,
Speaker 2: Bush administration, Trump administration, black people got stronger because the
Speaker 2: racism went from covert to overt and when it goes
Speaker 2: from covert to overt, that's when we mobilize. But when
Speaker 2: we have other figures in there who really don't fuck
Speaker 2: with us neither, Like if we're being honest, bro, a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't notice, but Joe Biden never fucked
Speaker 2: with us like that.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden wrote the ninety four crime bill he called
Speaker 2: the super Predators. Right, he's a Democrat. The Democratic Party
Speaker 2: is no longer what we thought it was going to be,
Speaker 2: which was going to be the party of black people.
Speaker 2: The Democratic Party just became a shit show, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And we lost the election because we
Speaker 2: didn't really have a viable If we're being.
Speaker 6: Honest, bigger problems with black people's.
Speaker 2: And that's why the Democratic Party has a huge problem.
Speaker 2: And it's not Black people, which means they're not going
Speaker 2: to focus on us, yes, which means we have to
Speaker 2: focus on us. And the Black Lives Matter being removed
Speaker 2: is going to make us focus. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: The more racist they get, the more focus we get.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean, we've been pulling back our dollars
Speaker 5: in certain areas and we're seeing the benefits facts.
Speaker 7: We need more impactful protests instead of just words on
Speaker 7: the street or in the back of the end zone,
Speaker 7: because I don't think that really helps.
Speaker 2: So we don't never we don't got to say stuff
Speaker 2: all the time. Like remember the underground rail road was
Speaker 2: the underground wrail world for a reason. If Harriet tell
Speaker 2: Me would have got up there, it's journal truth and
Speaker 2: we've been like, nah, Black Lives matter, we all leaving
Speaker 2: at this time, it would have never happened. We have
Speaker 2: to be justice covert. And when I mean covert, we
Speaker 2: don't have to be covert racist against them. We can
Speaker 2: be covert in our development for our own people. And
Speaker 2: it don't start with a statue or with words. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, let's do let's build together, and we can
Speaker 2: build without having to push other people down.
Speaker 4: We just built ourselves.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it.
Speaker 4: So they get rid of it, they get rid of it.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you just maybe realize something though, because
Speaker 8: during Joe Biden's presidency, I guess the last couple of years,
Speaker 8: there was a big movement for Confederate symbols to be
Speaker 8: taken down all over the United States, and I feel
Speaker 8: like that's where this is coming from it's like backlash
Speaker 8: to what white people consider Southern white people racists, white
Speaker 8: people consider their culture and their right and now they're
Speaker 8: trying to get back and the Black Lives Matter movement
Speaker 8: I feel like did really create a lot of the
Speaker 8: backlash that we're seeing right now from especially conservative white
Speaker 8: people who just don't believe that racism is a thing
Speaker 8: in America or that they have the right to or
Speaker 8: that they really feel a sense of supremacy over anybody
Speaker 8: that's not a white man.
Speaker 1: And we can thank Mildred Rutherfood for that.
Speaker 2: All of these books, over all of these years.
Speaker 4: Still exists.
Speaker 2: Yes, the u DC, the United Daughters of the Confederacy
Speaker 2: still exists.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 2: And it's because of that education on mis education is
Speaker 2: why these emboldened white nationalists feel they can do the
Speaker 2: things that.
Speaker 5: They do about y'all ever met a baby named Mildred?
Speaker 5: You only meet a Mildred when she owed me think.
Speaker 4: Mildred does sound like something that Jamaican baby would be.
Speaker 5: Next Mildred, my Mildred, Doris Thelma, but.
Speaker 1: Barbara Thelma?
Speaker 7: Yeah, ye sorry, Ed is one of them.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I've never seen a young and those are names that
Speaker 5: haven't come back like some names come back that.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a baby named Doris.
Speaker 6: I think I think that Joshua name is dying. I
Speaker 6: don't see no little kid.
Speaker 4: There's no Joshua.
Speaker 7: We know matt Ellis is not dying.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of matt Ellis's. Daval never lived for.
Speaker 4: It to die. I'm the only person I know what
Speaker 4: my name other than my.
Speaker 3: Pops, right, and a baby named after you.
Speaker 4: I do have one baby.
Speaker 3: It's a baby named kade in Trinidad. Oh really yeah, wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: look at.
Speaker 4: That you're telling people my name is Kadeen.
Speaker 3: I love that for you.
Speaker 7: I believe you.
Speaker 4: We believe you've got a great name.
Speaker 2: Bro bbl triple is.
Speaker 1: That's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: Not common.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's been an influx of Cairo since
Speaker 5: our Cairo. I feel like I see Cairo everywhere now
Speaker 5: my baby named Cairo. I have seen a lot of
Speaker 5: influx of Cairo's.
Speaker 2: You know what, You're not going to see a lot
Speaker 2: of what, but we so we grew up seeing shanik
Speaker 2: Was and Keisha's when we was growing up, there was
Speaker 2: a lot of Keisha's Aisha Letitia.
Speaker 6: Then I'm probably mad at that I actually like those
Speaker 6: names because you grew up with it. No, I like
Speaker 6: those names for the symbolism. It is like we don't
Speaker 6: have our own names, like that year, you gotta old, Lou,
Speaker 6: you gotta got, So that's on their side for Black Americans,
Speaker 6: we like. Although some of those names came off as
Speaker 6: like ghetto names like Boom, Cueisha and all that, it
Speaker 6: was like the ghetto names, the reality is those were
Speaker 6: the American, the Black American culture names. For that is
Speaker 6: a fact I enjoyed having our own.
Speaker 8: I went to elementary school with a kid named e
Speaker 8: Quavers and he was a bully and he was kind
Speaker 8: of chubby, so I used to call him Equavers because
Speaker 8: that sound fat.
Speaker 7: You was all.
Speaker 4: The bully.
Speaker 1: Story around.
Speaker 2: I used to make fun of him because he was
Speaker 2: a minute famous, was me bro.
Speaker 3: He deserved it, I'm sure, because he had that name
Speaker 3: and people like sounds like something of sorry. I took
Speaker 3: us all the way on the top of ya.
Speaker 2: It's just fine thinking about politics, thinking about politics and
Speaker 2: being black in America. I forgot who said it, But
Speaker 2: being black and conscious in America is being in a
Speaker 2: constant state of anger.
Speaker 1: I forgot who said it.
Speaker 4: I think it was that was No, it was James Baldwin.
Speaker 4: James Baldwins. This series his centennial.
Speaker 8: We have a we share a birthday, August second, it
Speaker 8: is his one hundredth birthday.
Speaker 4: So if you don't know who James Baldwin is, go find.
Speaker 2: Out that that statement means so much though, because even
Speaker 2: as I continue to ascend in life, what we all
Speaker 2: see that you you find yourself in spaces that are
Speaker 2: less black.
Speaker 4: And they always ask that question. Wait, wait, I'm so angry.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate that question.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 2: It's like the minute we get cool and we sit
Speaker 2: down and they start to realize that the valor is
Speaker 2: relaxing a little bit. I always get that question, you know,
Speaker 2: that's a question that sound that's a question you know,
Speaker 2: like I got. I got it trying to black friends
Speaker 2: and I just want to know you know what, and
Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh.
Speaker 4: Because y'all know me, y'all know me.
Speaker 3: I said, that leans forward.
Speaker 1: Well, this is how it always goes.
Speaker 4: I said, well, where do you want me to start?
Speaker 2: And most of the time, at the end of the conversation,
Speaker 2: I realized how so many white people do not know
Speaker 2: American history like at all.
Speaker 4: And then when I explain to them American history.
Speaker 2: That's when they're just like, oh, white people don't know
Speaker 2: about redlining, black holes, the Vagrancy Act.
Speaker 4: They don't know about this stuff because it's not taught and.
Speaker 3: It's never affected them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like they when I start bringing those things and they
Speaker 2: say this that really really that was really going on,
Speaker 2: was really goal, It's yeah, still we're still voter suppression
Speaker 2: still goes on today like today, and they're just like, oh, yes,
Speaker 2: it's not fair.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, ship.
Speaker 8: There's a really great uh the last season of Curb
Speaker 8: Your Enthusiasm, there's a running storyline where Larry David is
Speaker 8: in Atlanta and he sees somebody he knows voting, and
Speaker 8: so he gives her a bottle of water. Apparently it
Speaker 8: is illegal to have water if you're waiting in line
Speaker 8: to vote in Georgia. Yes, yes, And so he has
Speaker 8: to go through this whole court process because he gets
Speaker 8: arrested and he's getting.
Speaker 4: Charged with a crime. When did that come on this year?
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2: When the episode came out last year, always said, because
Speaker 2: you know that happened here in Georgia during the election,
Speaker 2: people were handing out food and water to people who
Speaker 2: were online and getting in trouble.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I swear it just seemed.
Speaker 5: They want to make it in an uncomfortable situation. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: we don't want to discourage. Yeah, of course, it's funny
Speaker 5: when you mentioned, uh, you know, when your white counterparts,
Speaker 5: you know, asked these questions.
Speaker 3: But Sterling K. Brown. I was just watching a clip
Speaker 3: from his podcast with his wife. I think it's called.
Speaker 5: We Yeah, we don't always agree, and he was talking
Speaker 5: about his experience on set where he had a white
Speaker 5: counterpart that must have been reacting reacting, was angry about something,
Speaker 5: and he said he kind of, you know, peeked out,
Speaker 5: and we're just like hmmm, and he was just like, man,
Speaker 5: if I.
Speaker 2: Remember what he said, they coded it as they coded
Speaker 2: as passionate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, he was passionate.
Speaker 4: In his anger, right exactly.
Speaker 5: But then of course he said, if I were to
Speaker 5: perform in the same way and be as passionate, it
Speaker 5: would not be received the same way. And it's just
Speaker 5: that it doesn't matter where or what avenue, what job,
Speaker 5: what realm you're in, it's always going to be seen
Speaker 5: as the disgruntled black person.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question, right, well, do you
Speaker 4: have one more for us? Or yeah, will go back.
Speaker 4: Even though we're kind of already on the topic.
Speaker 8: I have been watching social media a lot around this
Speaker 8: topic because I am one to say black people should
Speaker 8: be politically involved and politically aware. We cannot afford to
Speaker 8: be a political because we are affected the most. I
Speaker 8: did change, but I did see a post on threads
Speaker 8: that was like them, why why y'all not marching, and
Speaker 8: it's aid us we are. And it's a video of
Speaker 8: a bunch of black people doing the line dance, wear
Speaker 8: them fans.
Speaker 4: So I've just learned it and new line dances out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I know that some people are behind learning
Speaker 8: your Tamia dance and you need to get on your
Speaker 8: zoom honey.
Speaker 3: Get on the to me a dance, because they've moved on.
Speaker 4: Yes, they've moved on left beyond.
Speaker 5: Because you have to get bank that one, the same
Speaker 5: way you have the electric slide, the Cha cha slide,
Speaker 5: the wobble, all of those cupa shuffle. You got a
Speaker 5: bank to me and now to learn the next two.
Speaker 8: And they're playing them in succession.
Speaker 5: In succession now, So it's a marathon of line dancing
Speaker 5: y'all won't be won't be none.
Speaker 4: Of them get on your.
Speaker 8: Especially if you're going to be at Cowboy Carter this summer.
Speaker 8: I think you need to know the boots on the
Speaker 8: ground period. Country's I would like to know what do
Speaker 8: you think about that? Like, uh, black people putting their
Speaker 8: joy or using their joy as resistance? A lot of
Speaker 8: black people, I think are saying after the My point
Speaker 8: was after during the election.
Speaker 4: After the election, black people felt kind of betrayed.
Speaker 8: A black woman ran for president and they literally elect
Speaker 8: did somebody a fascist?
Speaker 4: Let me ask somebody who wants to be a dictator?
Speaker 4: Did she really run for president? Or was she?
Speaker 2: Because to me, I think that this was fucked up
Speaker 2: what they did to her, to be honest, because if
Speaker 2: we if she was really going to be allowed to
Speaker 2: run for president, they would have given her the nod
Speaker 2: before at the Democratic Convention, so she would have had
Speaker 2: the runway to.
Speaker 1: And do things.
Speaker 4: They came in the last minute because the white man
Speaker 4: that they thought.
Speaker 2: Was going to be able to last for the last
Speaker 2: four years started to slowly lose his mind.
Speaker 8: And now the narrative that they're putting out there is
Speaker 8: that he was pushed out of running that they forced
Speaker 8: him out of running for president so that she could run,
Speaker 8: and not that they forced her into running.
Speaker 4: Whose they they, whatever the powers that be, And let's
Speaker 4: let's let's really think about this for us.
Speaker 2: At what moment in a world history did anyone ever.
Speaker 4: Say, you know what, we're gonna get rid of this
Speaker 4: white man and bring this black woman in.
Speaker 3: That's right, Come on, this is what black people.
Speaker 2: Choosing joy That don't even sound like something I'm going
Speaker 2: to debate about, not going to debate about why.
Speaker 1: I'm not like, there's no way.
Speaker 5: But my opinion is yes, if that's where you find
Speaker 5: your joy. If your joy is not debating over the
Speaker 5: water ruler about nonsense and politics, because you want to
Speaker 5: preserve your joy, Ladies and gentlemen, my fellow brothers and sisters,
Speaker 5: don't do that shit. Find your joy within your community
Speaker 5: of people, your circle of friends, your line dances.
Speaker 3: If it's cowboy Carter tour, I'll see you there.
Speaker 4: If it means oh we got a cowboy, I knew
Speaker 4: it was going to come back to this. Find your joy,
Speaker 4: I knew it.
Speaker 3: I don't find your joy where it exists and your pockets.
Speaker 3: Find your tribe of people.
Speaker 4: With that.
Speaker 1: Nation build within your people.
Speaker 4: Agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get back to like gathering and having functions
Speaker 3: and caring for each other.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, guys, because I'd be
Speaker 2: struggling with stuff. I do not blame current white Americans
Speaker 2: for where we are in America.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: The reason why is because I feel like the racism
Speaker 2: we experience now, although there are some overt racists who
Speaker 2: still call you a nigga, right, but those people are
Speaker 2: still few and far in between. Most of the racism
Speaker 2: we see as millennials, and yeah, we're all millennials, is
Speaker 2: the systemic racism that people don't understand. And that's where
Speaker 2: I think we have to do a better job, as
Speaker 2: people love color, all of us being black, of explaining
Speaker 2: that to some of our white counterparts, rather than just saying, oh,
Speaker 2: everybody racist. I honestly don't feel that everybody is racist.
Speaker 2: I do feel that people are miss informed and uneducated,
Speaker 2: and rather than argue with them about their racism, just explain.
Speaker 4: To them history. Miseducated, yes, and more miseducated than others.
Speaker 2: Because I just saw a meme and it wasn't really
Speaker 2: a meme, it was more facts Oklahoma. The state of Oklahoma, right,
Speaker 2: red state, overwhelmingly red state. When it comes to education, literacy, wealth,
Speaker 2: they're all bottom three in America, right, And there's a
Speaker 2: reason why.
Speaker 4: If you keep.
Speaker 2: People mis educated and uneducated, it's easily to do what control.
Speaker 2: But then you go to a place like New Hampshire, right,
Speaker 2: and main top two in everything but also education, and
Speaker 2: they're both blue states. So our issue now is that
Speaker 2: we're fighting against white people who just hate black people.
Speaker 2: We're fighting against people who are really miseducated and uneducated.
Speaker 1: And here's the truth.
Speaker 2: It ain't only white people, because there are a lot
Speaker 2: of miseducated and uneducated black people. And I watched it
Speaker 2: in this election cycle. I watch people our age who
Speaker 2: look just like us, say things and do things that
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: And those are the people who voted for Trump. Because overwhelmingly,
Speaker 2: outside of what people think, people think like, oh, we
Speaker 2: were split on voting for Trump black people, we were
Speaker 2: not split. The overwhelming majority of black people voted for Kamala,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But the people who didn't
Speaker 2: vote for Kamala and voted for Trump or didn't vote
Speaker 2: at all or didn't vote at all, voted because they
Speaker 2: weren't informed about everything that was going to affect us.
Speaker 2: And now we see people, not only black people, white
Speaker 2: people upset. I watched on the news the firefighters from
Speaker 2: nine to eleven and the police officers fro nine eleven
Speaker 2: are pissed. All white Italian, Irish German men right who
Speaker 2: mostly voted for Trump are pissed now because the Trump
Speaker 2: administration voted to get rid of Medicare and Medicaid for
Speaker 2: survivors of nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: So now they all pissed.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, hey, guys, if you were educated
Speaker 2: on what you were talking about, you would have voted
Speaker 2: for someone who wouldn't take your liberties away. And that's
Speaker 2: why I no longer to blame like our contemporaries of
Speaker 2: white people for the state of white America.
Speaker 1: It goes way deeper than that.
Speaker 2: And I just want to know what y'all think about that,
Speaker 2: because I don't look at the white person calls me,
Speaker 2: be like you just racist, your parents had slaves.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't look at it like that.
Speaker 5: I think there's a couple of people, well, from what
Speaker 5: I've observed from a distance people who I've done business
Speaker 5: within the past, or former clients when I was a
Speaker 5: makeup artist, and some of them have voted openly and
Speaker 5: will say that they voted for Trump. And I know
Speaker 5: that one in particular was very much in favor of
Speaker 5: Trump because Trump was now going to go back to
Speaker 5: there being only two genders. Voted and she was like,
Speaker 5: I'm raising children now. She think she has like three
Speaker 5: or four kids, and she's like, and that's the big
Speaker 5: that was her biggest arguing point, Like she wants to
Speaker 5: be in a world where her daughter can go to
Speaker 5: the bathroom and I have to worry about other people
Speaker 5: being in there.
Speaker 8: But she can't right now, whether there's two genders or not,
Speaker 8: as long as there's a man on the planet, you
Speaker 8: can't go send your daughter to the bathroom exactly.
Speaker 5: So then she's the same person now crying.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it's the truth, though, but you see what
Speaker 4: I'm saying about.
Speaker 5: Just like the one thing that she kept harping on.
Speaker 5: But then now she's the same person crying because her
Speaker 5: mom was let go from her job because of d E. I.
Speaker 3: Because of d E.
Speaker 5: I rollbacks a white woman who was in her job,
Speaker 5: you know, and now she's a job anymore.
Speaker 3: And it's just like, now you want to be upset
Speaker 3: about that? So what what exactly are these people.
Speaker 5: Who voted for him? Like, what was your like your
Speaker 5: driving force? That's what I really want to understand.
Speaker 4: Because me and Matt talked about it.
Speaker 2: We're sitting here watching NBA games and a commercial comes
Speaker 2: on and it says Trump Now it says Kamala, she
Speaker 2: is for they them, Trump is for you.
Speaker 1: Fear bongering.
Speaker 2: And it used to come on every Sunday minutes, bro,
Speaker 2: and me and me and Matt used to.
Speaker 1: Be laughing look at this like it's like how.
Speaker 7: Crazy liberal liberal commalis for commalass something like that, Trump
Speaker 7: is for you? That's around there, And I was.
Speaker 4: Like, but that's fear.
Speaker 6: When when did the president control genders? That's like at
Speaker 6: one of history did anybody think that Trump or Biden
Speaker 6: can set genders in place? How is that the point that?
Speaker 6: How is that the hell you're dying on?
Speaker 8: And if you believe that, you know, you can only
Speaker 8: be born as male or female, you can't change it,
Speaker 8: then why would you think the president can change it?
Speaker 1: That is a good point.
Speaker 3: That's not considering everything, like they hold on to one
Speaker 3: point that they feel like is in favor of what
Speaker 3: they believe. And then also it's also when you when
Speaker 3: you vote, thinking it's not going to affect you and
Speaker 3: your people.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like I'm stropping away somebody else's liberty to choose
Speaker 8: how they want to dress, if they want to wear
Speaker 8: or not, but it's not gonna affect me, so until
Speaker 8: that boom comes back.
Speaker 1: It's also the lies I had to do.
Speaker 2: Tell me he only votes for Trump, he's a black
Speaker 2: dude to the only voted for Trump because he's a
Speaker 2: very successful businessman. And I was he was just like,
Speaker 2: here's what he said to me. He's like, man, Trump
Speaker 2: started from nothing and he's now worth like a billion dollars.
Speaker 2: And I said, who started from nothing? I said, did
Speaker 2: you miss the whole clip about him being clown saying
Speaker 2: that I started from the bottom. My father gave me
Speaker 2: a small million dollar loan? Did you forget about that?
Speaker 2: And he was just like I didn't. I said, that's
Speaker 2: the point. You didn't hear. You didn't try to look
Speaker 2: for it research. I said, you know many time's Trump
Speaker 2: went bankrupt? Yeah, he said, Trump's been bankrupt But that's
Speaker 2: my point though, right, like I can't I start to
Speaker 2: have empathy for people, and I may be wrong and
Speaker 2: people are gonna be upset at me, but I have
Speaker 2: empathy for racists.
Speaker 4: I have empathy for racists.
Speaker 2: And the reason why I have empathy for racist is
Speaker 2: because if my mom or dad told me that I
Speaker 2: had to hate certain people from the beginning of my
Speaker 2: life and I and I just thought that that's how
Speaker 2: it was. And then I went to church and those
Speaker 2: same Christians, those Nationals tell me we got to hate
Speaker 2: these people. How can you then blame that person who
Speaker 2: is indoctrinated this way? Right, I have empathy for them,
Speaker 2: and if they ask me that question, like why are
Speaker 2: so angry? I do take my time. So when we
Speaker 2: you know, the whole purpose of this podcast was like
Speaker 2: surviving Trump's America. Right, you know how I'm surviving Trump's America.
Speaker 2: Number one, Like you both said, I am going to
Speaker 2: choose joy first. Why are we not marching? Because I'm
Speaker 2: tired of marching? Right, I'm going to dance and sing
Speaker 2: and enjoy my blackness. But also if I have a
Speaker 2: chance to try to educate somebody, whether they be black, white, Asian,
Speaker 2: Indian Latin or LATINX. I am going to educate them
Speaker 2: on the history of race relations in this country because
Speaker 2: most people don't.
Speaker 4: Know because it was taken out of American history level, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, Like the fact that we even
Speaker 2: have to call it black history is a problem because
Speaker 2: now white people, Asian people, Indian LATINX are going to
Speaker 2: be like, well, that's not my history, I don't have
Speaker 2: to learn it. It is your history because you were
Speaker 2: brought to this continent under the same pretense. A lot
Speaker 2: of Asian people don't talk about this. Do you know
Speaker 2: why Asians were considered model minorities Once they freed African
Speaker 2: Americans here in eighteen sixty five, right, and we had
Speaker 2: Western expansion, they needed to then cultivate the land to
Speaker 2: build on it.
Speaker 4: Right, we can't get black people to build on it.
Speaker 2: So what we're going to do promise Asians when they
Speaker 2: come over here, they're going to get the prosperity that
Speaker 2: white people get. And what they did was they gave
Speaker 2: Asians the opportunity to do all this other stuff and
Speaker 2: said we're going to do this to separate yourself from
Speaker 2: black people. This is a fact because Asian Americans have
Speaker 2: said it over time. We were given loans, and we
Speaker 2: were given red line business loans. Redline business loans mean
Speaker 2: they would give Asian Americans, Indian Americans all the money
Speaker 2: they need to open up their businesses in black communities,
Speaker 2: not white communities, because they wanted Asians and Indians to
Speaker 2: be able to circulate the money from black communities and
Speaker 2: take it out the community. Because now those people and
Speaker 2: those entrepreneurs take that money today community. But if you
Speaker 2: go to white communities, you don't see anybody but white
Speaker 2: people owning their stuff.
Speaker 4: And when you explain things like this to people, they
Speaker 4: start to Because I.
Speaker 2: Definitely have Asian friends too. My father came here with nothing.
Speaker 2: How come you know your parents have been here? How
Speaker 2: come they haven't built? I said, well, do you understand
Speaker 2: about Seneca Village in Telsa, Oklahoma? No, what is that
Speaker 2: every time black people build something for themselves, much like
Speaker 2: you did, like Chinatown, it was burned down. So if
Speaker 2: people burned down Chinatown right now in New York, y'all
Speaker 2: still gonna say the same thing.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's what we need. We need education of history.
Speaker 2: We don't need to feel sorry for ourselves. Because I
Speaker 2: don't feel sorry about my blackness, but I also am
Speaker 2: not gonna harbor no hatred towards people who are just
Speaker 2: also just miseducated and uneducated.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do that no more. Y'all got problems
Speaker 4: with me for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: Okay, y'all got that problem, but I'm not gonna have
Speaker 2: that roll around in chess.
Speaker 3: Is that why we have much Chinese Chinese food restaurants?
Speaker 5: And that is exactly what I was like Literally where
Speaker 5: we used to live in Crown Heights, on the on
Speaker 5: Notion Avenue, there was the Chinese food restaurant and the
Speaker 5: liquor store owned by the Indian dude. And then yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like literally in succession, and it repeats every two blocks.
Speaker 3: They were called the moat.
Speaker 1: They're called model minorities.
Speaker 2: You bring minorities into start business, and that business gets
Speaker 2: taxed and that business goes into the government. But you
Speaker 2: put those businesses in black communities, that was redlined. You
Speaker 2: don't give them a lot of money. You give them
Speaker 2: enough money to be able to spend money with other
Speaker 2: model minorities.
Speaker 4: That's and and people don't understand that that was a systemic.
Speaker 3: Put in place.
Speaker 5: You know, m.
Speaker 3: Very very interesting stuff.
Speaker 8: I think it's also interesting now that you were talking
Speaker 8: about Asian Americans coming or Asians coming over. Something that
Speaker 8: the President did recently was used the Alien Enemies Act
Speaker 8: to deport a bunch of people kind of illegally. So
Speaker 8: the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight, it allowed
Speaker 8: the US government to deport non citizens if they were
Speaker 8: found to like say something disparaging about the government, or
Speaker 8: you know, if they thought that they, you know, were
Speaker 8: a part of some type of pretty much that.
Speaker 2: They recognized their color. Yes, like vagrancy acts. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: you can't read or write or own property, now you're
Speaker 2: a felon. And now we can put you in prison,
Speaker 2: and we can use convict leasing to lease that work
Speaker 2: out to people who don't have to pay you.
Speaker 1: So what they did with that.
Speaker 2: Was, oh, these immigrants think that they can talk bad
Speaker 2: about our government, we can do this and deport them.
Speaker 4: But let me ask you a question. If we deport
Speaker 4: all the people who are here doing the work, who's
Speaker 4: going to do it work?
Speaker 3: Who's going to do it?
Speaker 5: I just got to build in the mail from Bill, right,
Speaker 5: I got to build in the mail from Bill talking
Speaker 5: about the price increase going up for our landscaping for example, right,
Speaker 5: and then Bill.
Speaker 3: Just told me simultaneously last spring.
Speaker 5: It's so hard to find workers. And you know your
Speaker 5: flowers won't be put in for maybe about four to
Speaker 5: six weeks. Somebody spring will be over by then, like
Speaker 5: it'll be multiple and you want to up the price too,
Speaker 5: And who's going to do the work because you ain't
Speaker 5: doing it?
Speaker 3: Bill, Bill has some you know, say.
Speaker 2: He has some illegal people for the company so he
Speaker 2: can pay them there minimal exactly, just like the government
Speaker 2: did with the age over here to build the railroads
Speaker 2: for western expansion.
Speaker 1: That is part of the American dream to.
Speaker 4: Bring people who.
Speaker 1: Don't look like us.
Speaker 2: We villainize them, we criminalize their existence to keep them
Speaker 2: in a small part of the country.
Speaker 5: But we need them, and we need them for LA
Speaker 5: cannot function without their services.
Speaker 8: So, uh, you might have heard about I think his
Speaker 8: name is my Mood Khalil. He was deported recently for
Speaker 8: uh protesting what's happening in Gaza, Israel at Columbia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's test.
Speaker 1: Going on, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: Detained and we talked about taking funding away from Colombia.
Speaker 8: Yes, And Trump has been saying he'll deport students if
Speaker 8: they speak, if they're pro Palestinian. And so what followed
Speaker 8: the Alien Enemies Act was the Sedition Act of nineteen
Speaker 8: seventy seventeen, where they targeted American citizens for speaking against
Speaker 8: the government or anti war protests.
Speaker 2: That's when they created concentration camps here in America. Correct,
Speaker 2: that was right right before, because they had concentration camps
Speaker 2: here in americament camps, tenement camps, my bad, not concentration guys,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, which is very different, but tenement camps. That
Speaker 2: was around the same time, right, I just want to
Speaker 2: be clear. I don't know, because I know, I know
Speaker 2: of Western expansion, there were tenement camps where a lot
Speaker 2: of Asian people who were not quote unquote citizens.
Speaker 8: Oh you're talking about this was after yeah, this was
Speaker 8: like the twenties. This was during World War War yeah,
Speaker 8: or was it after World War Two?
Speaker 4: It was during Hiroshima? Yeah, so that was that's when.
Speaker 4: It was right after Hiroshima.
Speaker 2: And it was just like the Asians were the enemy,
Speaker 2: you know how you know how America always finds an enemy.
Speaker 2: It was it was black people, internment cancers, black people,
Speaker 2: then it was Asians then during nine to eleven it
Speaker 2: was Muslims and Indian people. It's like America always finds
Speaker 2: an enemy, you know, and they put a face on
Speaker 2: the colored person and say that's the enemy.
Speaker 4: I think that's when that happened with those camps.
Speaker 8: So now, yeah, that was that was during World War
Speaker 8: Two in the forties, but this sedition was happening from
Speaker 8: the nineteen seventeens all through the fifties when you people
Speaker 8: could get arrested for being accused of being communists, for
Speaker 8: speaking out against the government, or for saying stuff like
Speaker 8: we're saying black lives matter. There will come a time
Speaker 8: during this presidency where if you are talking about black
Speaker 8: lives matter. That's why they're making it illegal for race
Speaker 8: based groups to exist.
Speaker 4: Is it's going to there's gonna be a shit show.
Speaker 4: I mean, hasn't it been like that? Though?
Speaker 2: The Black Panther Party was pretty much considered a terrorist
Speaker 2: organization in the sixties and seventies because they were trying
Speaker 2: to feed their families.
Speaker 8: But that's where we're going back to the times in
Speaker 8: the fifties and sixties where it was illegal to speak
Speaker 8: out against the government.
Speaker 4: Free speeches.
Speaker 8: Is is going down and I blame Barack Obama for
Speaker 8: all of it, because everybody was saying, we wanted a
Speaker 8: black president. Finally black people get something that we've been owed.
Speaker 8: And Barack Obama wouldn't even talk about reparations. He wouldn't
Speaker 8: even prove the anti lynching laws. He didn't do anything
Speaker 8: because he was too scared of anti white sentiment during
Speaker 8: the time. And now Donald Trump is just blatantly doing
Speaker 8: anything that conservative white men want.
Speaker 4: Him to do. Let me ask a question, though, was
Speaker 4: he scared or was he handicapped?
Speaker 8: He said that, Well, I guess okay, but he did
Speaker 8: say that it was because he saw, you know, the
Speaker 8: effects of anti white sentiment during the time.
Speaker 4: Now I will agree with that. Right every time, you
Speaker 4: can't be handicapped, because that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Trump is showing us that as president, you don't have
Speaker 8: to listen to anybody himself.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I think Bock's hands retired with a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Think about history, right, Frederick Douglas. What came after Frederick Douglas?
Speaker 2: That this is the power hate? Martin Luther King? What
Speaker 2: happened after Martin Luther King white hate? We got mass incarceration.
Speaker 2: What I think is and I'm only speaking what I
Speaker 2: think because I never spoke to Barack Obama. He is
Speaker 2: now the president of the free world. Is it going
Speaker 2: to be more detrimental to my people if I go
Speaker 2: up here and I am the black president or if
Speaker 2: I'm a president. That's what I think. He was dealing
Speaker 2: with a lot of right for a lot of people
Speaker 2: who don't have empathy for people who understand the power
Speaker 2: that comes with that, they just be like, he's supposed
Speaker 2: to be our president. He's supposed to do this, he's
Speaker 2: supposed to do that. But they don't understand history. Every
Speaker 2: time we had someone's they end up publicly for us.
Speaker 2: They came down harder on our people. And that's why
Speaker 2: to journal truth and freaking Harriet Tubman created things like
Speaker 2: the Underground World World.
Speaker 4: We don't have to exclaim anything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I get that, But like when the America was
Speaker 8: just the thirteen colonies that was ruled by the British
Speaker 8: and the French. The people that founded America, that was
Speaker 8: their whole thing. They had to stand up and they
Speaker 8: got came down on harder every time and then until
Speaker 8: they had to go to war. And I feel like
Speaker 8: black people were only willing to go so far. You
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, Like, if we get somebody in
Speaker 8: the presidential seat, that person has to be willing to
Speaker 8: put themselves on the line. I feel like for black
Speaker 8: people or else, we're never gonna get there.
Speaker 4: I disagree with that.
Speaker 2: I feel like if he goes in there and put
Speaker 2: himself on the line for black people, he gonna be
Speaker 2: finished and Black finished.
Speaker 4: That's just my opinion. It could happen that way, that's
Speaker 4: my opinion.
Speaker 2: I just think that it's unfair to put that on
Speaker 2: on him. I feel like we have learned though that
Speaker 2: we even if we have a black president, we never
Speaker 2: going to be the priority. That's why I said, I
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck who the president is. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I'm just like, yo, let them do
Speaker 2: what they do at that level. And because my biggest
Speaker 2: focus is what I deal with every single day. Right,
Speaker 2: I go from here to my kids' school, I go
Speaker 2: from here to the studio, I go from here to
Speaker 2: the airport, right, and then I'm building. So I got
Speaker 2: to make sure everything around these areas is good.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: We went to our local We went to those local
Speaker 2: meetings for the Democrats earlier because we wanted to know
Speaker 2: who our local government was, you know. So that's my
Speaker 2: biggest thing is, Okay, the president can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 2: I want to know who my old min is city council.
Speaker 4: I want to know those people.
Speaker 7: Those are the most important. People don't know. And that's
Speaker 7: the problem with our community. We don't know those people.
Speaker 7: We don't do mid mid season polls or all these
Speaker 7: we don't participate, and then when it's time we start complaining. Also,
Speaker 7: only was the president while they had the House. It
Speaker 7: ends with tied that literally facts.
Speaker 2: I mean when he forged out in, I think we
Speaker 2: had the House and then we didn't vote, and then
Speaker 2: they got that.
Speaker 7: So Democrats had the House and the Senate.
Speaker 2: I believe when Obama first got in we had the
Speaker 2: House because I remember I don't remember, you can look
Speaker 2: it up, but I remember people saying that once we
Speaker 2: won the presidency, black people stopped voting and we lost control.
Speaker 1: That's what I kept hearing.
Speaker 2: And they said the last six years of Obama's presidency,
Speaker 2: he really couldn't do much because they wouldn't control everything
Speaker 2: was read at that point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think anything was getting past.
Speaker 2: And then he got obama Care passed, which they're quickly
Speaker 2: rolling back now, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 2: they just want to undo anything that he's done.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I do think racism is a distraction from
Speaker 8: everything else because I did also see a video of
Speaker 8: white people immigrants in California that were upset because they're
Speaker 8: losing their Medicaid. Yeah, a dude on oxygen who voted
Speaker 8: for Trump is out there now upset because he's going
Speaker 8: to lose his health care and he can't afford that
Speaker 8: damn oxygen without it. So I think I do think
Speaker 8: that everybody it is class issue.
Speaker 4: I think that's a class issue.
Speaker 8: Racism always distracts people from the fact that they're poor
Speaker 8: and they don't have any power either. If you are
Speaker 8: not in the top one percent, you don't have shit,
Speaker 8: you know. And so you should be on the same
Speaker 8: side because right now there's somebody who is the president
Speaker 8: has to be us born, and he his closest advisor
Speaker 8: right now, is not elected.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Let's remember that.
Speaker 2: Is doing the same thing in Germany with their government
Speaker 2: that he's doing here. He's using his billions to pretty
Speaker 2: much create an oligarchy and all of these these places
Speaker 2: so that he can have control to do whatever he
Speaker 2: wants to do, which is make more trillions.
Speaker 4: That's all he whatever wants to do.
Speaker 7: So I got it here. Nine to eleven Democrats out
Speaker 7: of the House and the same so the first two years, the.
Speaker 4: First two years, So that's what happened the first two years,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 7: His final two years Republicans at it both. Oh well,
Speaker 7: that makes it was split for four years and then
Speaker 7: for the last two Uh, they had it.
Speaker 2: One thing I want to say before we take a break,
Speaker 2: because we will have to take a break, I do
Speaker 2: want I want people to realize this. Black people have
Speaker 2: never been the priority right in this country. But also
Speaker 2: black people haven't been the priority to take down because
Speaker 2: they don't even care enough about us to try to
Speaker 2: take us down. That's why we need to be more quiet.
Speaker 2: Right the whole DEI thing, a lot of black people
Speaker 2: got upset they rolling.
Speaker 4: Back to the DEI programs.
Speaker 2: But what they don't realize the people who benefited the
Speaker 2: most was white women.
Speaker 4: So then rolling back DEI programs isn't going to affect
Speaker 4: us directly?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 4: Fucked up?
Speaker 2: Yeahs fucked up? But it doesn't directly affect us the
Speaker 2: way we think it will. And that's how sometimes we
Speaker 2: got to get out of our emotions and be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I see y'all, I see what y'all doing. Let me
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. That's why I think that's
Speaker 2: what I am with it. I'm not even focused on the.
Speaker 3: Other bullshit the more you know.
Speaker 5: All Right, y'all, let's take a quick break and we're
Speaker 5: going to get back with our listener letter of today.
Speaker 5: All right, and we're back. Let's dive into listen letter
Speaker 5: and see what y'all say. I'm mountain this week.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: I met my boyfriend back in undergrad at Delaware State University.
Speaker 5: He's from Fort Lauderdale born and raised, while I'm originally
Speaker 5: from up North. After college, I found myself moving to
Speaker 5: Fort Lauderdale, not technically for him, partially because I got
Speaker 5: into a master's program in Miami, but let's be honest,
Speaker 5: it was mostly for him. That sounds like me, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm sure. Yeah, it's like it worked out. It was
Speaker 5: the divine intervention. Fast forward to now we're living together.
Speaker 5: He's a teacher with big dreams of becoming a principal,
Speaker 5: and I'm one hundred percent his biggest cheerleader. On top
Speaker 5: of that, he started a referee assignment business that he's
Speaker 5: determined to grow here in Florida. But here's where things
Speaker 5: get spicy. We love a little spice.
Speaker 3: I recently gave him an ultimatum.
Speaker 5: I told him that when I graduate with my doctorate,
Speaker 5: it's time for him to put a ring on it
Speaker 5: or I'm out of there. I have big plans for
Speaker 5: my future and I don't want to put my goals
Speaker 5: on hold. I intend to become a motivational speaker and
Speaker 5: a professor at an HBCU back home near Jersey. So
Speaker 5: I'm curious what's your take on this? Is it too
Speaker 5: much pressure? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Whatever?
Speaker 2: You already know how I feel about this. I like
Speaker 2: when people say what they need and what they want
Speaker 2: and what they require. I hate ultimatums because I feel
Speaker 2: like it's unfair, Like ultimatums is your way of the highway.
Speaker 4: And if this is supposed to be a.
Speaker 2: Team, how about you tell me what you want and
Speaker 2: let's see if we can work out a way to
Speaker 2: get what you want while getting what I want. But
Speaker 2: when it's the ultimatum. Put a ring on it. After this,
Speaker 2: when I'm done, it's kind of like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: so now I have to live on your timeline.
Speaker 4: That throws meals.
Speaker 5: I wonder if this person listen to you, I think
Speaker 5: we've done it episode about this where we or at
Speaker 5: least when we explained when we were in a similar situation.
Speaker 5: So Devall was playing in Detroit at the time, and
Speaker 5: I was finished grad school, moved to Detroit to be
Speaker 5: with you because I know you needed the company and
Speaker 5: the support. You needed it while you were there, and
Speaker 5: then it was me trying to figure out, Okay, what's next.
Speaker 5: I think in hindsight, once I really like hashed out
Speaker 5: my what my apprehension was at the time, it was
Speaker 5: that I couldn't just be stagnant while you were building
Speaker 5: essentially like your NFL career, and I was just there right,
Speaker 5: you know. So when you felt like I gave you
Speaker 5: an ultimatum where I told you, like, listen, either we're
Speaker 5: going to be like committed to this future or I'm
Speaker 5: going to go back to New York and try to
Speaker 5: find a job. I realized now that it was me
Speaker 5: just not wanting to just be stagnant and just sit
Speaker 5: there waiting for you. It was me feeling like I
Speaker 5: needed to do something. I felt like I had my
Speaker 5: parents watching me from a distance, like up and moved
Speaker 5: from New York to Detroit, you know, to be with
Speaker 5: your boyfriend. But it's like, what are you doing for yourself?
Speaker 5: So for you, Hun, I think my biggest the I.
Speaker 2: Think how she gives that message is important because the
Speaker 2: way you said it just now wasn't the way you
Speaker 2: said it. Remember you said to me, I'm going back
Speaker 2: to New York. I'm not trying to be your living girlfriend, right,
Speaker 2: Like think about you say.
Speaker 3: That to delivery and words have power.
Speaker 1: Words have power, right.
Speaker 2: So I feel like for a lot of people in
Speaker 2: this situation, because we've had a couple of men to
Speaker 2: be like I'm ready for you, and she don't want
Speaker 2: to do this. It's like, Yo, don't give people ultimatums, right,
Speaker 2: tell them what your plan is, right, tell them you
Speaker 2: have timetables, how you feel is what.
Speaker 1: You want and what you need.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, if that person values you and your company, they'll
Speaker 2: find a way to make it work for both of y'all.
Speaker 2: If they don't, they're going to be like a well
Speaker 2: that's what you want to do, what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: And then from there, you.
Speaker 5: Know, because she did say she was He's from Fort Lauderdale.
Speaker 5: She got into a program in Miami, maybe on purpose
Speaker 5: to be with him, maybe not. But then at the
Speaker 5: end of this she says she wants to eventually be
Speaker 5: a motivational speaker and be up at HBCU and Jersey.
Speaker 3: Does he plan to leave Florida to go back up
Speaker 3: to Jersey?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: Is that even in the cards for him? Or is
Speaker 5: he assuming that, Well, you came to Florida to be
Speaker 5: here with me, so maybe we'll build a life in Florida. Like,
Speaker 5: these are just open conversations that need to be have
Speaker 5: with your full intentions laid out on the table.
Speaker 2: Have a question for sure, is she gonna be a
Speaker 2: motivational speaker and she plans on being good? How come
Speaker 2: she can't motivate this man to put a ring on.
Speaker 3: God inquiring mind of motivations, that's a whole different.
Speaker 4: You cannot motivate anybody to want to be married.
Speaker 5: The wantval has said, and I've heard this from several men,
Speaker 5: Josh and Matt included. Men have a timeline, Men have
Speaker 5: a plan. If his intention is to be with you
Speaker 5: long term and to marry you. Chances are he's already
Speaker 5: thinking about that, and he's already putting the wheels in
Speaker 5: motion and making the plans.
Speaker 1: Did you have a.
Speaker 4: Plan, Josh? Did you have a plan when you were ana.
Speaker 3: To propose and eventure?
Speaker 2: Did you foresee like this is going to be my wife,
Speaker 2: and I got a plan and I want to do it?
Speaker 6: Yeah at twenty six. Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, so these three different men who al said they
Speaker 2: had a plan, And if the woman at that time
Speaker 2: would have been like, well it hate it happened at
Speaker 2: twenty three or I'm out, she'd have blocked a blessing,
Speaker 2: like that's just a fact, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: that's just a fact.
Speaker 3: Did you have a plan at the time?
Speaker 4: I always had a plan.
Speaker 1: I had to play.
Speaker 3: I mean, whom I asking.
Speaker 4: Think about it?
Speaker 2: When I was the first date, I told you that
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to the NFL in the practice
Speaker 2: squad get one hundred thousand dollars so we could buy
Speaker 2: a brownstone and we can live downstairs.
Speaker 1: And you said, how we going to do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I told you the plan I know, and that
Speaker 4: was my and you were included.
Speaker 3: In my plane the plan.
Speaker 4: That was the first delusion, that was the first day.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 5: I'm like, he said it, But what in me after
Speaker 5: the first date and at that age felt like I
Speaker 5: really wanted to put my trust.
Speaker 2: Into this crazy I don't know, because two weeks later
Speaker 2: you told me you loved me, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this girl's fucking nuts.
Speaker 4: So you had a plan too, You had a plan,
Speaker 4: You've seen it. I did.
Speaker 3: Indeed, Lulu I was de Lulu before de Lulu was
Speaker 3: a thing.
Speaker 2: Everything we've done in our relationship would be considered red
Speaker 2: flags in the.
Speaker 3: Same age if you think about it so unconventional.
Speaker 2: Like you're telling me you love me in two weeks
Speaker 2: red flag, me telling you my whole plan for my life, red.
Speaker 3: Flag, and me signing up for that ride, red flag.
Speaker 2: You're including yourself in my plan when I told you,
Speaker 2: red flag?
Speaker 1: That's did People say that all the time.
Speaker 7: What we're doing, what you're talking about, what we're doing.
Speaker 4: It's only a red flag if you don't like facts.
Speaker 2: But people say in relationships, if you're a single woman,
Speaker 2: you don't do this if.
Speaker 1: You're a single man.
Speaker 6: Second, you wanted to marry a nigga since you was
Speaker 6: in third grade.
Speaker 3: You know what, Josh, you might be right.
Speaker 5: Maybe I just had asked for you early on, and
Speaker 5: I just felt something early early on, Like who.
Speaker 2: Knows, It's just it's just what we always tell people.
Speaker 2: Listen to yourself, listen to your spouse, and listen to God.
Speaker 2: Nobody else can tell you what your plan is for life.
Speaker 2: Can't nobody here tell me what my plan was for you?
Speaker 2: My father and my mother couldn't. They told me that
Speaker 2: I was moving too fast. Your mother told.
Speaker 3: You you was moving to fast.
Speaker 4: The only person who never told you anything was your father.
Speaker 4: So your father's like, you guys, do what you.
Speaker 1: Guys do.
Speaker 7: Him.
Speaker 4: I swear that's what he told me.
Speaker 2: Did y'all ever tell you how I spoke to her parents? Yo,
Speaker 2: this is a true story. It's only gonna be thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: Sit her mom and dad down and said, listen, and
Speaker 2: I want to get married to a dean. I love
Speaker 2: her and I want to make her my wife. Your
Speaker 2: father said, what you guys do? What you guys does do?
Speaker 4: I think we should have a drink? Said I think
Speaker 4: we should ever do?
Speaker 2: And her mother said, Mary just can't get done as
Speaker 2: you give away to have Did I have a plan
Speaker 2: and you know what's going on? And I was like, actually,
Speaker 2: I do have a plan. And then your father said
Speaker 2: we could.
Speaker 4: Go over this a drink downstairs. Her mother was pissed.
Speaker 4: Bro he took me downstairs, never asked about the plan.
Speaker 5: But then if you let my mother tell the story,
Speaker 5: your father used to kick me up at night?
Speaker 3: How did Kadeen get up and move all the way
Speaker 3: over to Michigan?
Speaker 5: And like, first of all, it's Michigan, Mom, It's not
Speaker 5: like this.
Speaker 3: H I know, I know how I Jamaican Zoo, but
Speaker 3: it's Michigan. You just pick up and move to Michigan.
Speaker 3: And how I'm going to explain that to your grandmother?
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, yeah, that's so. That's so typical
Speaker 3: my parents.
Speaker 4: But I mean your father does do that, though he does.
Speaker 2: Her father will act like everything is okay, and then
Speaker 2: when we all leave, be on her.
Speaker 4: Mother about him. How you're gonna let this happen? This happened,
Speaker 4: And she said.
Speaker 2: These questions yourself, but you chose to have a drink
Speaker 2: and go downstairs and drinking it's all about the drinks.
Speaker 4: Just like I just want to marry your daughter.
Speaker 3: This if I was delusional at that age, and you
Speaker 3: probably were just as.
Speaker 2: Delusional to delusional now true I've been. When I first
Speaker 2: saw you, no, Lie, I was like, damn, sorry.
Speaker 7: Aren't most dreams that you aspire to, like really big
Speaker 7: dreams and stuff? You got to have a little bit
Speaker 7: of a.
Speaker 3: Lot of delusion and insanity.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's delusion. Everybody will believe in God, right,
Speaker 4: that's the higher being.
Speaker 2: Right, God, I think exists to give you the visions
Speaker 2: of where you're supposed to be in life.
Speaker 1: You listen to God, he.
Speaker 3: Tells you your journey ultimately as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but ultimately he gave you the vision of what
Speaker 4: it was for you.
Speaker 1: He can give it to me.
Speaker 2: So when you say you love me, it's because somebody
Speaker 2: made it clear to you, like this is where I
Speaker 2: was supposed to be. The same way when I told
Speaker 2: you my plan for my life, God gave me that
Speaker 2: vision for me to say this is what I'm going
Speaker 2: to do. Most people to that point were just.
Speaker 4: Like, TV, you're not doing that.
Speaker 1: And this woman right here said, so, how are you
Speaker 1: going to do it?
Speaker 4: And I in my mind, I was like, what made
Speaker 4: I think that I was capable of.
Speaker 1: Do it this, but the fact that you believe there
Speaker 1: in me made me be like, nah, this is the one.
Speaker 5: It might be because I also wanted to be on
Speaker 5: TV and do those things and haven't been.
Speaker 3: You know, a pageant.
Speaker 1: Asked Matt.
Speaker 2: I told Matt the visions guy gave me about you
Speaker 2: over ten years ago.
Speaker 4: I was like, my wife's going to do this. My
Speaker 4: wife is going to do this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this, watch this, and hasn't it all
Speaker 2: come to pass? And it's not because I'm a brilliant genius.
Speaker 2: God gave me the vision.
Speaker 4: So stupid God gave me the vision. He said, just
Speaker 4: follow follow this the fun. Look, look, look, come on, come.
Speaker 7: On and here guys is why I go home to
Speaker 7: my house.
Speaker 4: Queen, you can always say.
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Speaker 2: That is, you better get off my lap because this
Speaker 2: can turn into a only phasis real quick.
Speaker 4: We got about seven care save.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: Josh don't got no soul.
Speaker 4: He put this.
Speaker 6: And we try.
Speaker 7: I love you.
Speaker 8: Uh.
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