Speaker 1: Hey, Oh, I am well, I'm well. How are you
Speaker 1: guys doing well? Good? Welcome, Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me on Adam. How are you? How's things? Where
Speaker 1: are you in the world. I am in Toronto, Ontario,
Speaker 1: Canada at this time, which I'm sure brings a flood
Speaker 1: of beautiful memories and triggering flashbacks to above most beautiful happy.
Speaker 1: What's the weather like right now? It's actually well, it's
Speaker 1: pleasant enough that I'm doing sweater not uh you know.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not
Speaker 1: being as environmentally responsible as I should be right now.
Speaker 1: And the central air it's happening. So I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it, and sometimes you just got to lean in.
Speaker 1: I get it. I climate control when I was there
Speaker 1: was was so key and getting it so exactly right,
Speaker 1: because especially when it was cold, when it was really
Speaker 1: cold and you come back into your apartment, your apartment
Speaker 1: was really hot. Yeah, messed with my That just messed
Speaker 1: with my whole body and would make me sick pretty
Speaker 1: quickly because my body would jump from one to the other.
Speaker 1: So I would have to keep it cool but not
Speaker 1: too cold, because I didn't want to sleep in the cold.
Speaker 1: I wondered about that when you when you guys were
Speaker 1: doing like exterior stuff, especially like as you mentioned on
Speaker 1: the previous cast with the rain towers or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then you go into like the hot lights, the heated
Speaker 1: are it like did the contrast make you want to
Speaker 1: drop to your knees or like? It was a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, but they obviously took really great care of
Speaker 1: us with you know, as many ferny blankets and wetsuits
Speaker 1: and things that they could. But yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a shock to the system for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've I've done a couple of things that are extreme,
Speaker 1: Like I want for this friend of mine who does
Speaker 1: these weird love crafty and things. I did it a
Speaker 1: short for him, and we were scheduled to be in
Speaker 1: the winter in northern Ontario. The weather side it was
Speaker 1: going to be fine, and it ended up being like
Speaker 1: minus forty with sleet and and uh, the good news
Speaker 1: is there was no contrast. And later I realized that
Speaker 1: it's better to have had the comfort and never had
Speaker 1: that and just be like plowing through this until I
Speaker 1: can just find someplace to heal and survive. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with you, don't let your body, like, let yourself
Speaker 1: acclimatize to it as much as you can, Like, we're
Speaker 1: going to be in this for a minute. Let's just
Speaker 1: live in this world. This is going to be our day.
Speaker 1: And then when I can get warm, I'm going to
Speaker 1: get warm for goods. But I don't want to go
Speaker 1: warm cold warm, cold, because my bodiesn't know what to
Speaker 1: do with that. And it's like, dear, dear PMS coordinators,
Speaker 1: let's make sure, yeah, kar in mind, we're not freezing
Speaker 1: and thawing the talent to a degree that they might
Speaker 1: be a new something. Now Dom, and I learned that
Speaker 1: pretty quickly on Shadow Hunters actually, and now Dom, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've had this experience when you're on
Speaker 1: another set and you're not constantly throwing your warming jacket
Speaker 1: on between ticks, people get so concerned that are you
Speaker 1: sure we can bring you your jacket if you're cold,
Speaker 1: And it's it's that thing of notes. I need to
Speaker 1: have stasis so I'm not jarred every time they call action.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure. And then also to you ever,
Speaker 1: have you ever either ever had that situation where someone
Speaker 1: makes you so comfortable that you're not that you can't
Speaker 1: be as uncomfortable as the character is. And you're like, now, yeah,
Speaker 1: act the discomfort that I could have just walked three
Speaker 1: has been uncomfortable. Yeah, Adam, will listen, mate, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. Thank you so much for being a part
Speaker 1: of this with us. Um, you had such a pivotal
Speaker 1: role in in season one, and I think a role
Speaker 1: that very quickly and in large thanks to you became
Speaker 1: sort of a fan favorite, was one of my personal
Speaker 1: favorites as well. Um, so why don't we start by
Speaker 1: by introducing yourself to the listeners and and tell us
Speaker 1: how you can involved in Shadow ins is what the
Speaker 1: processors like through that? Sure? Okay, So my name is
Speaker 1: Adam Kenneth Wilson. Hello, Shadow Fam, and thank you for
Speaker 1: the love, the so much love that you've given to
Speaker 1: ragnar Fell. And well we'll get onto Shadow Fam and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about what that is and what that means
Speaker 1: and how startlingly beautiful the gift of the Shadow FAM's
Speaker 1: love and community is. But but for me when I
Speaker 1: when I got involved in it, um, I had been
Speaker 1: aware of the existence of the film The Mortal Instuments, which,
Speaker 1: as we know, the lovers of the original work did
Speaker 1: not connect with in the way. I think someone said
Speaker 1: to me that they someone who was being kind once
Speaker 1: about my little visit into the show, had said that, Um,
Speaker 1: as much as they thought it was an interesting representation
Speaker 1: the original Shadow Hunters, they did not necessarily feel represented
Speaker 1: by it. The film did not feel like it was
Speaker 1: a representation of the community. They didn't manifest themselves into
Speaker 1: those characters in the way that you later would allow
Speaker 1: them to. And I thought that really interesting that there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what the what the
Speaker 1: man check sauces or or what it is, but when
Speaker 1: people can view you as a portal into that experience
Speaker 1: in a way that they just were seeing manifested externally,
Speaker 1: that's that's a beautiful thing. Um. So obviously you brought
Speaker 1: some some kinds of universal humanity or some kinds of
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess truth in what could have
Speaker 1: just otherwise been more of a flat or hollow genre
Speaker 1: project that people got really emotionally invested into it. But
Speaker 1: so for me, I knew the film existed, I and
Speaker 1: I via that knew that the books existed, but I
Speaker 1: hadn't really taken much of an interest in them. I
Speaker 1: read uh, the moral instruments. As soon as I found
Speaker 1: out that these auditions were happening, Um, I read it
Speaker 1: and Stephanie Goren was the Canadian casting and she and
Speaker 1: I already have a relationship. She's I've done some odd
Speaker 1: and genre things with her in the past. Although this
Speaker 1: is interesting because I wanted to kiss her because I
Speaker 1: and I don't want to say that film and television
Speaker 1: media has a type, but when you have a triangular
Speaker 1: chin and deep set beat eyes and you're a bit
Speaker 1: on the pale end, you tend to take on characters
Speaker 1: who are exclusively villainous, and so it was beautiful for
Speaker 1: me to I At one point I thought about having
Speaker 1: a business cards printed that said I'm not telling you
Speaker 1: cops curse word. And because I was playing so much
Speaker 1: of that and to Tom be offered this character who
Speaker 1: comes off as this could be a menacing character, this
Speaker 1: could be someone who's a threat to Clarifray. When she
Speaker 1: discovers him, and then there is a love and a
Speaker 1: beauty and a support offered, I was like, h m hmmm. Um.
Speaker 1: I've always always, always been fascinated by anything that is genre,
Speaker 1: particularly in mystical stuff. I was one of those Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings kids. I was raised with Catholic mythology
Speaker 1: and Christian mythology, and so interesting that lists you with
Speaker 1: a sense of longing for those supernatural elements in your life,
Speaker 1: the fascination with angels, demons of war and the and
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And once, once I had kind
Speaker 1: of excluded that from my actual practical day to day life,
Speaker 1: I was like, you need you search. We're searchers, were
Speaker 1: pattern creatures, and we're always looking for the mystic and
Speaker 1: we're always looking for the poetry in the universe, and
Speaker 1: like this, this realm, it's there's so much poetry and
Speaker 1: so much magic and all of those things that you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people long for. I'm one of those.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, you guys, you've manifested these characters
Speaker 1: so well, and you I know you you you had
Speaker 1: some vampiric experience, and I know you can't have it.
Speaker 1: You can't have been superheroes as well as you know,
Speaker 1: mystical superhero superhero superheroes in the sense of you know,
Speaker 1: Miss Smoke and the like. You must sometimes look at
Speaker 1: yourself as like we are the modern myth tellers. We
Speaker 1: are the we're telling the heracles of our day. We're
Speaker 1: telling the whichever those things are. And I think that this,
Speaker 1: this realm, in the shadow realm is is just a
Speaker 1: beautiful like welcome to the New dance, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: new You know, I don't want to much, but the
Speaker 1: other stiff too. Anything you want on this podcast. But
Speaker 1: it's something that I've always loved about the shadow world
Speaker 1: as well. And I think you hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head, is that, Yes, it's all of these mystical,
Speaker 1: fantastical creatures that we grew up reading about and we
Speaker 1: love reading about, and it's it's rooted in mythology of
Speaker 1: every culture, but it's it's also very rooted in the
Speaker 1: reality of our world today, and it's woven into the
Speaker 1: world that we all experience. And so there's it sort
Speaker 1: of fulfills that longing that you're talking about, which is
Speaker 1: why I think so many people connect to this particular mythology.
Speaker 1: For sure, speaking of you doing a fantastic job in
Speaker 1: this role, I was convinced you were British, absolutely convinced.
Speaker 1: I think I asked you, didn't I ask you where
Speaker 1: in England you're from, because you and I had that
Speaker 1: conversation where you're like, are you Are you an educated
Speaker 1: Londoner who's muting down your accent to sound like you're
Speaker 1: from a more read, generalized place or a regional guy
Speaker 1: who was trained to sound more English and um, And
Speaker 1: that was such a gift to me because I really
Speaker 1: really appreciate I have spent a lot of time playing
Speaker 1: with my voice, a lot of time as a very
Speaker 1: hush hush side gig. I have done some dialect coaching
Speaker 1: in the past. Cool, but I might be one of
Speaker 1: those people. Um, no offense to any of the other
Speaker 1: you know American folks, very talented and lovely American folks
Speaker 1: who are around. But I was raised with better television,
Speaker 1: dum um. I was raised with with UK television. And
Speaker 1: so whether it was something as simple as my nan
Speaker 1: watching Corey, or whether it was you know, um, any
Speaker 1: of the good lord the crime procedurals that so would
Speaker 1: harold a new age of lesser American crime procedurals and
Speaker 1: ending yeah, I would say probably by the time I
Speaker 1: was let's say ten, um, I would have known the
Speaker 1: difference between something that approximates some more educated London or
Speaker 1: someone who's who's um, who's from the North who's not
Speaker 1: afraid to be from the of or someone who's from
Speaker 1: the North but is trying to sound like they're actually
Speaker 1: more London than they are. That's very impressive, amazing, thanks
Speaker 1: to me God. Like a voices of fingerprint, right, it's
Speaker 1: this beautiful. It belongs to someone and and it identifies
Speaker 1: them in this way, so the way some people will
Speaker 1: smell someone's perfume or catch uh light, the glint of
Speaker 1: a light in their eye that goes, oh, that's the
Speaker 1: color your eyes are when the weather is like this.
Speaker 1: To me, the sound of someone's voice is what evokes
Speaker 1: all of that poetry and all that Like it's a
Speaker 1: gift to me to get to hear your voices again
Speaker 1: now because I hear them and I go, oh, I
Speaker 1: remember as soon as you said that to me when
Speaker 1: I were standing outside of Ragner's house facing it from
Speaker 1: this angle. And uh, that's that's the magic. That's memory,
Speaker 1: trigger the ability and is the set you right. It's
Speaker 1: the same with so many of the senses that like
Speaker 1: touch and smell and tay. You can taste something and
Speaker 1: it will take you back to the restaurant you first
Speaker 1: had it out, or whoever first cooked it for you
Speaker 1: and you remember it so implicitly. Um, it was really
Speaker 1: cool and it's a gift for us to be honest,
Speaker 1: to be able to to actually give that compliment to
Speaker 1: to a non British person, because you're right, it's it's
Speaker 1: a difficult accent to to get ahold of, and because
Speaker 1: there are so many regions in such a small area,
Speaker 1: getting the specificity of whatever that accent is is really difficult.
Speaker 1: It's difficult for me to do regional British accents, so
Speaker 1: to hear someone not from the UK be able to
Speaker 1: do it to the extent that I thought you were
Speaker 1: from England is not only mind blowing, but a real
Speaker 1: asset to you and then obviously to us in the show.
Speaker 1: That's and and the Shadow fam were like extremely kind
Speaker 1: about it out there, you know when when that episode
Speaker 1: aired and people were like, thank god they got a
Speaker 1: brit to do that. I was like, yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Funny. That's great. Speaking of the
Speaker 1: specificity of the creation of this character, there's so many
Speaker 1: elements of Wragner that became iconic, be it your voice
Speaker 1: or his look, or his house or the horns and
Speaker 1: the the slight reference to the green skin so tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about what that process was like
Speaker 1: for you once you kind of got on set. Were
Speaker 1: you involved or did they have it all set or
Speaker 1: kind of what what was your experience through the creation
Speaker 1: of Wagner. Now, I'm not gonna lie to you. I
Speaker 1: tried to be a little pushier during our exchanges about
Speaker 1: Wragner than was popular, because normally, when you're in the
Speaker 1: position that I am, and you're guessing in and you're
Speaker 1: coming to this family that already exists, and you're I mean,
Speaker 1: you've guessed it on something. I know you're not doing
Speaker 1: a lot of guessing right now on the big stuff,
Speaker 1: but you've guessed. You've guessed it on stuff, and when
Speaker 1: you do, you tend to come in, look around, go oh,
Speaker 1: that's how we're doing this, and you don't rock the boat.
Speaker 1: I didn't get into a fight, but I did get
Speaker 1: pretty heated about my insistence that he should be green,
Speaker 1: because once I started searching everything, once I'd read the books,
Speaker 1: then I saw what fans out there were doing. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at what they're doing, you look at their
Speaker 1: fan art, and it meant a lot to them that
Speaker 1: was green. It meant a lot to them that he
Speaker 1: had the smaller horns placed you here rather than larger,
Speaker 1: broader horns here. And um, I saw this consistent representation
Speaker 1: and what they wanted and what they were expecting, and
Speaker 1: I did. I thought for it, and I tried to
Speaker 1: get it. But as I'm sure there were many a
Speaker 1: conversation with you where you had invested h certain research
Speaker 1: or certain decision making sets into your characters. And then
Speaker 1: network is going to have their views, and production is
Speaker 1: going to have their views. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: I think what Paul Jones did was beautiful. I think
Speaker 1: the horns that he gave me were magnificent, and he
Speaker 1: and his assistants did some great, great work. But then see,
Speaker 1: here's the here's the kicker. I could have talked myself
Speaker 1: out of a gig because if they had really followed
Speaker 1: me and given me the horns I wanted and the
Speaker 1: green skin I wanted, they would have insisted on an
Speaker 1: actor who more accurately represented the visual age of the
Speaker 1: character the way the fans had been. Right, So, so
Speaker 1: do you want it to be booked perfect? No? I don't.
Speaker 1: I think this guy, this is the right guy. But
Speaker 1: let's get the details, you know, So so we met
Speaker 1: in the middle and we did exactly what they wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is how it very often goes in my experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot like a relationship. You know, I wanted
Speaker 1: I wanted a cat, my girlfriend wanted a dog, so
Speaker 1: we met in the middle when we got a dog.
Speaker 1: You know that whole thing. Cats and dogs, man, I
Speaker 1: love them so so much. I have an unhealthy relationship
Speaker 1: with my cat Nigel, who may turn up at some point.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's a massive himily and fluffy boy.
Speaker 1: I would wear him in one of those Baby, you
Speaker 1: have a main can. What is your address? I'm just asking,
Speaker 1: of course, ocean. Trust me, I've wanted to struggle. You
Speaker 1: have no idea how far I'll go to steal a
Speaker 1: beautiful cat. Yeah, she's honestly, she's a bit of a nightmare.
Speaker 1: She's just discovered the entrance to the like the ottoman
Speaker 1: storage in my bed, but cannot get out of it.
Speaker 1: So the last three mornings in a row she's been
Speaker 1: scratching at the mattress from underneath at like four in
Speaker 1: the morning, and I'm like, I don't know, why are
Speaker 1: you going there? Like you know you can't get out Yeah, Tom,
Speaker 1: it's a cat cave. It's fun in there and then
Speaker 1: you just you know, get stuck. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can we please talk about Magnus and Wagner a little
Speaker 1: bit and that friendship and the dynamic that you and
Speaker 1: Harry had. I mean, it's you know, we know you're
Speaker 1: incredible and we know Harry is incredible, but still for
Speaker 1: two folks to come together having just met and create
Speaker 1: this banter and this friendship and this sort of way
Speaker 1: of communicating that is so seamless and inherit it. I
Speaker 1: loved watching it. So tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: that process and kind of how you made that magic. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you know far better than I do, how
Speaker 1: expressive a creature Harry is, and how I knew he
Speaker 1: was a dancer, and I knew that he could say
Speaker 1: things with a flick of his hand or a turn
Speaker 1: of his head that I could I would have to
Speaker 1: go write me some lines because there's no way I'm
Speaker 1: going to more his his The nature of his expressiveness
Speaker 1: is such that you can get so much from him
Speaker 1: in little things. Um. I what I didn't expect is
Speaker 1: how good a dancer he is with his eyes and
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is when I met him
Speaker 1: and he was just so gracious and wonderful to meet,
Speaker 1: and there was a beat and a breath, and he
Speaker 1: gave me a look, and in that look he was like,
Speaker 1: I love you, you love me. We're good. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? And with that like, I couldn't. I'm not
Speaker 1: psychic enough for whatever to translate it directly. I can't say.
Speaker 1: He was beaming. We've loved each other for a long
Speaker 1: time and this we're carrying this history with us into that.
Speaker 1: I don't not the specifics of it, but the broad
Speaker 1: I have always loved you, You have always loved me.
Speaker 1: You are safe. You were loved with just a little
Speaker 1: look and a little blink, and I went, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: And I asked, as in the my difference, I will
Speaker 1: always behit for you. In that little that beat, I said,
Speaker 1: is it all right if I if I touch her?
Speaker 1: And he was like, he was like, what do you
Speaker 1: have to like you? Of course you? It was a yes,
Speaker 1: like a like why would you even ask me that?
Speaker 1: Because this love is so The reality that he offered
Speaker 1: into that was such that I just okay, I need
Speaker 1: do nothing except trust you in the love that you're
Speaker 1: generating and that means that we have been friends forever.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was. It was really that was the
Speaker 1: easiest little moment that could have been. Could have been
Speaker 1: some could have been. It's really cool. And I still
Speaker 1: want to know what happened between those characters in Peru.
Speaker 1: I do. I want to know. That would be a
Speaker 1: crazy spin. Was just the immortals and all of the
Speaker 1: ship they did for centuries previous, like pre Js, pre Clary,
Speaker 1: pre Alec, like just the Shenanigans that like Ragna and
Speaker 1: Camille and Magnus got up to How Raphael got lugged
Speaker 1: in the mix, like all of those, How they just
Speaker 1: navigated their way through the centuries. Oh my god, I'd
Speaker 1: watch that, My goodness. I would love to watch some
Speaker 1: youngsters do that. I would love to see someone do it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to really be a part of it. No,
Speaker 1: I want to just watch it as an audience member,
Speaker 1: I think. But you know, that's another thing with this Lord,
Speaker 1: as we were still so early on in the series
Speaker 1: that you and Harry established so much in that moment
Speaker 1: of what these immortal friendships can represent and what warlocks
Speaker 1: are and how they exist and it. At know, we've
Speaker 1: had so many conversations about immortality on this show and
Speaker 1: and sort of what that means and how that can
Speaker 1: manifest itself, but it became so apparent and inherent with
Speaker 1: you two, the sort of weight of the ages. That's
Speaker 1: that's such a kind thing to say that, so that
Speaker 1: it's felt that way, and I certainly I've heard that
Speaker 1: from some very kind members of the shadow Man as well,
Speaker 1: that they're like, clearly these dudes of go warlocks forever
Speaker 1: together and have this um. But I wondered, like not
Speaker 1: that coming in as I did, being invited in for
Speaker 1: that moment of the piece, not knowing what your eternities
Speaker 1: looked like before. It was a strange feeling, not knowing
Speaker 1: what that again, because you you had the task upon
Speaker 1: you of navigating these waters. What does this power mean?
Speaker 1: What what does this history mean? How powerful is the blood?
Speaker 1: What is the all of those things that you had
Speaker 1: to generate? And I came in and I was like,
Speaker 1: I have to make it as specific as I can
Speaker 1: in my choices, but I have to keep it as
Speaker 1: vague as I can in my knowledge what that is
Speaker 1: because I don't know the shorthand you have for what
Speaker 1: all those things? And that's what Cat's saying, Like we didn't,
Speaker 1: we didn't, like none of this backstory was written for
Speaker 1: like any of these characters. So like, if that question
Speaker 1: had never been like asked or read its head, the
Speaker 1: adds would have been, I don't know, what did you
Speaker 1: do in the eight hundreds? Like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Someone says to you, at a scale of
Speaker 1: one to tend, how powerful is this power that you're
Speaker 1: using right now this room that you're how powerful you'd be, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know when they would say to you while
Speaker 1: you're deciding right now. So yeah, well, these were so
Speaker 1: many of the conversations that we had throughout and then
Speaker 1: particularly too as our powers kept changing. You know, Don
Speaker 1: got the Goldenknife thing, and I got the portals, and
Speaker 1: we had to learn and half the time it was
Speaker 1: in situation you figure it out and make it up
Speaker 1: and make some sort of logic that then you have
Speaker 1: to remember for the rest of the series too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember having a conversation with Matt once when Matt
Speaker 1: jumped off a building landed on his feet, and he
Speaker 1: was like, so falling off a building is no longer
Speaker 1: a threat for us, like, we can't use that anymore
Speaker 1: because we've just proved that we can survive that. So
Speaker 1: that's like I'm dangled at anytime, Like at that point, now,
Speaker 1: can you just be like what that's okay, Like you
Speaker 1: can push me off this, I'll be good. So it's
Speaker 1: not a big deal. Let's go. Yeah. I was a
Speaker 1: little jealous of speaking of falls of the stunt man.
Speaker 1: I know it was one of Steve Luchsk's guys, but
Speaker 1: I don't know who the stuntman was who did the
Speaker 1: regular fall. I'm getting old and forgetting names, so please
Speaker 1: forgive me seven gotten so much, give me a little
Speaker 1: pass on that one. I think it's that stunt is hard, though.
Speaker 1: I think on Vampire Academy someone did basically that exact stunt,
Speaker 1: And the issue with it is you have you have
Speaker 1: the railing that you if this is your body, you
Speaker 1: have the railing that you hit sort of midway through.
Speaker 1: But you can't just hit that and go over it
Speaker 1: because the railing isn't flat, it goes down. There's this
Speaker 1: area down here at the bottom that you can hit
Speaker 1: yourself on a second time and still have to continue
Speaker 1: to fall. So you have to make it look like
Speaker 1: you've hit this thing, and then go over it. But
Speaker 1: also make sure you've cleared this so you don't hit
Speaker 1: your head, because I've seen it happen when hit their
Speaker 1: head on the way down and then you're unconscious falling,
Speaker 1: and that's really dangerous because you can't control Hey, land,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong, But you
Speaker 1: the character does it backwards, doesn't he go back first
Speaker 1: over the thing? Absolutely? And then the spiral where where
Speaker 1: the football lands in the hand of the ground in
Speaker 1: this case, Yeah, they gave you a football to her,
Speaker 1: you know that, just like on a ballistics level, he
Speaker 1: is at that. Yeah. Sorry, Sometimes for the Shacks demons,
Speaker 1: they would toss us a nerve football and we have
Speaker 1: to wrestle the football and throw it away. I wish
Speaker 1: I had a demon. I've got to be an expert
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a strang.
Speaker 1: Have you guys talked to your fans a lot about
Speaker 1: the perils of acting against stuff that's not there and
Speaker 1: it's not there of course the years, Yeah, we've had
Speaker 1: the conversations of because they it's interesting, like what we did,
Speaker 1: I guess because there was such a huge diversity of
Speaker 1: different creatures from you know, different elements of this world. Um,
Speaker 1: there was no real like uniformity of how they were
Speaker 1: presented to us. So like where wolves were kind of
Speaker 1: always where there was alway we always had a similar
Speaker 1: thing to track. But every time we experienced a new demon,
Speaker 1: it was like shacks demon was a football and they
Speaker 1: throw it at you and you'd have to have this
Speaker 1: thing in your face, or like the were the what
Speaker 1: were the like slug demons things, and that was a
Speaker 1: guy in bandex with the thing on his thing on
Speaker 1: his head and then two long sticks because this thing
Speaker 1: had like long arms, and he would run up and
Speaker 1: just go We're like, okay, alright, cool, Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to sort of erase that in my mind and
Speaker 1: then put in. But they got they did get quite
Speaker 1: good at showing us like concept art and stuff, so
Speaker 1: they're like, this is vaguely what they are going to
Speaker 1: look like. In the one, I didn't know if you
Speaker 1: had kind of storyboard that had stuff with your demons
Speaker 1: as much or whether was like okay, how tall. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Come season two, they were pretty ahead of everything, Like
Speaker 1: they were up in the office a lot of the
Speaker 1: a lot of these like new sets, new creatures and whatever,
Speaker 1: and we could just swing by the office and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I sort of got it in my head now and
Speaker 1: I can prep around that knowing vaguely what it was,
Speaker 1: you know. And also I loved it. Philip our VFX
Speaker 1: coordinator season two on. He was so excited about building
Speaker 1: all of this that he would constantly come up with
Speaker 1: us with this computer and go, I made a new
Speaker 1: demon I have to show you. Or he would always
Speaker 1: come up to me and go, I made your portals better,
Speaker 1: and I'm going, Philip, my portals look amazing. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? He was like, no, no no, no, those
Speaker 1: were horrible. It may have been better. I'm like, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: you're you're awesome. Keep keep building. This is great. It's
Speaker 1: so strange when it's an art that's outside of your
Speaker 1: own understanding and you're like you have done the impossible
Speaker 1: perfectly and they're like oh no, no, this is no
Speaker 1: no no, and you're like, no, no, it can be better.
Speaker 1: Which also that's that's the thing performers do as well,
Speaker 1: right where where someone goes that scene was perfect and
Speaker 1: you're like no, no, no, that's was lost to a
Speaker 1: sound issue where you know, one of the lights had
Speaker 1: to be adjusted well, because so much of it, I
Speaker 1: think is up in the gray, isn't it, Like so
Speaker 1: much of it for us is up here that like,
Speaker 1: even if it looked fantastic, I know what I was thinking,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't what I was supposed to be thinking.
Speaker 1: So and that that's the most frustrating one for me,
Speaker 1: is like we they got much better at it, but
Speaker 1: in the studio we had the workshop directly behind us,
Speaker 1: so it was a fairly common thing that like the
Speaker 1: rolling Q didn't get to the workshop office, that would
Speaker 1: still that would continue going whilst we're filming, And like,
Speaker 1: that's great, we got it. And I'm like, all I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about is they're making a new set next door.
Speaker 1: That's me Dom, not Jason. Me. Dom is thinking what
Speaker 1: set are they making? And no matter how it looked,
Speaker 1: no matter whether it looked good or bad, I know
Speaker 1: what I was thinking, and I know that I wasn't
Speaker 1: connected to what I should have been doing. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. If we love it, you're like I
Speaker 1: cheated you out of it. Yeah, I mean, but those
Speaker 1: are the perils of working on a set on a
Speaker 1: sound stage. That's constantly rolling. I had a similar thing
Speaker 1: dom in Clary's bedroom. I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 1: there was one roof tile that was, you know, stories
Speaker 1: above in this warehouse we were in, but when the
Speaker 1: wind would hit it just right from the outside, it
Speaker 1: sounded like a clown's car horn. Oh, I do remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so you know, all of the scenes in Clary's
Speaker 1: bedroom are all of the really heavy emotional kind of
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with my feelings, not fighting things scenes, and
Speaker 1: they're very quiet. And so I'm sitting there talking to
Speaker 1: Emerald or Dom or Alberto about something and then I
Speaker 1: hear bur Burpenner. Yeah, you just go, oh, well, can
Speaker 1: we all right can use that one? Yeah, we had
Speaker 1: one that became it actually got released in the Bloopers
Speaker 1: that became fairly famous within our you know, our little
Speaker 1: community doing a very heavy scene. Um Kine as in
Speaker 1: Caine and Able Cane, the first vampire he's in our story.
Speaker 1: And then Lilith, the mother of all Eamons. We've got
Speaker 1: her like trapped and it's it's Jason Clari and Simon
Speaker 1: also and Emeralds and we're all sort of ready for
Speaker 1: battle sort of thing, and there was a crow or
Speaker 1: a raven one or the other that just wanted to
Speaker 1: be just wanted to be part of it that day.
Speaker 1: So we'd be in the middle of like, this is
Speaker 1: what we're going to do, this is the plan, this
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen, and you hear this like
Speaker 1: in the back and were like, wow, I don't know
Speaker 1: how we get back from that point where someone would
Speaker 1: get three words out and we just we had to
Speaker 1: take the entire scene half lines of dialogue at a
Speaker 1: time because these ravens just so wanted to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, that day, but we were so
Speaker 1: lucky to have guest stars like yourself who came in
Speaker 1: and really committed to the character and to the story
Speaker 1: and to the lore of the world. And clearly that's
Speaker 1: something near and dear to your heart. So it's when
Speaker 1: when you did dive it on set, it was still
Speaker 1: season one and we were still kind of figuring everything out,
Speaker 1: but we were really in literally your house. So did
Speaker 1: you you how was that walking into this kind of
Speaker 1: environment that was yours in this set that was kind
Speaker 1: of brand new as well? Well. I you know, normally,
Speaker 1: when when you're given an environment, as you know, with
Speaker 1: one of you, Like you say, you you're giving the
Speaker 1: the institute and you're familiar with it, and you you
Speaker 1: want to pace every boards until you know the environment
Speaker 1: like the back of your hand. And I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that in Ragnar's home for the specific reason
Speaker 1: that the audience is with you and this is your journey,
Speaker 1: and when you come to this place, when Clari arrives there,
Speaker 1: it's all weird. What if it's all it all feels
Speaker 1: unsettled and unsettling, and I think for the tension of
Speaker 1: the scene, I didn't want to be the lounging me
Speaker 1: in my home in the way. I wanted it to
Speaker 1: be an environment of uncomfort and uncertainty. So it's it's
Speaker 1: the it's that weird. Is this a liminal or a
Speaker 1: subliminal space? Is this? Uh? I mean I hoped that
Speaker 1: people would neither be surprised or unsurprised when you yanked
Speaker 1: me this no way wow? And uh I don't. By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm not like it's not like that. I'm
Speaker 1: not stocking you guys and keeping this with me at
Speaker 1: all times. In the honest reach, it's not for those
Speaker 1: who are only hearing the audio. I did just produce
Speaker 1: the portrait from which I emerged. Um the art department,
Speaker 1: trust me, Adam, we all we all have our own
Speaker 1: memorabili Yes, it doesn't seem strange enough. Yes, well I
Speaker 1: think if I'm not mistaken, you're not allowed Stella's because
Speaker 1: you broke so many that I wasn't And yeah I wasn't.
Speaker 1: They season two they took them off me um, which
Speaker 1: they like wrote it into the story, which is really depressing.
Speaker 1: They were just like Jay doesn't need one this season.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need it, he doesn't need one. And I
Speaker 1: was like, come on, I have like a place for
Speaker 1: it now, like you've given me new hostess that's like
Speaker 1: a whole thing that it's gonna be better. They're like, nope, nope,
Speaker 1: not for you. And it's fair, completely fair. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if I've missed it because I haven't heard all of
Speaker 1: your behind the scenes. Okay, but I are. Do you
Speaker 1: each have a favorite of your collection of your here's
Speaker 1: my beloved? I yeah I had that, you can say
Speaker 1: without being soon arrested. Yeah, yeah, right exactly, so I
Speaker 1: I the two big things I left set with season two.
Speaker 1: We had a big change of the swords and how
Speaker 1: the seraph blades worked and how they looked physically and whatever.
Speaker 1: So I left with one of those um and then
Speaker 1: I had in season one we talked about the story
Speaker 1: of the Falcon and how Jason was told to train
Speaker 1: this falcon um, this statue of the falcon that obviously
Speaker 1: had this profound impact on Jason's sort of becoming who
Speaker 1: he was, who he is. I have that. That's super cool, Tom,
Speaker 1: It's so interesting that you say that, because my parallel
Speaker 1: that exactly. I have a set of Clary's daggers that
Speaker 1: eventually we found out one was Jocelyn's and one was
Speaker 1: Valentine's that I fought with for two and a half seasons.
Speaker 1: And in Clary's room they had one of those wooden
Speaker 1: artist figures that you know, artists will bend to mimic
Speaker 1: whatever human shape. But the camera crew signed to the
Speaker 1: back of it on the last day that we shot
Speaker 1: in Clary's bedroom in the Institute and handed it to
Speaker 1: me as like a little piece of her space. And
Speaker 1: it sits on my dresser in my room in the
Speaker 1: same place that it's at in Clarie's room, and it's
Speaker 1: just it's always there. That is super cool and and
Speaker 1: here is a device for making art while you're making
Speaker 1: art about the person who's piece of art. It is
Speaker 1: that like the levels of that play within a play
Speaker 1: kind of deal. Yeah, we also cat and I got
Speaker 1: away with I think Drew gave you yours and Glenn
Speaker 1: gave me mine. The we have the slate, the last
Speaker 1: ever slates we did on the show. Um just obviously
Speaker 1: not the whole clap of board, just the actual slates
Speaker 1: as shadow Hunter's shot whatever it is, episode two, season three.
Speaker 1: I've imagined those those final slates that we can't have
Speaker 1: an easy three guys. Yeah, it was. It was weird,
Speaker 1: it was you know, they were they were sort of
Speaker 1: nice enough to give us the closing episodes. Do you
Speaker 1: do you know anything about how this sort of came
Speaker 1: about towards the end? You've spoken to anyone about it,
Speaker 1: you mean, with the with the like we're giving you
Speaker 1: the closure like that. Yeah, yeah, I I am somewhat
Speaker 1: familiar with what happened. Got it then, very briefly for
Speaker 1: yourself and anyone else who doesn't know. Normally, when they
Speaker 1: end a show, that's just it. You don't come back.
Speaker 1: Whatever stories are unfinished, that's it. You you finished at
Speaker 1: the end of that season, we're not giving you anymore.
Speaker 1: The show is done. And that wasn't the case with us.
Speaker 1: We were told that it was coming to an end,
Speaker 1: but we were told we had two hour long episodes
Speaker 1: of sort of a two hour long event to round
Speaker 1: out everyone's stories, which honestly is a really lovely gift
Speaker 1: to guess. There's so many stories, and there were so
Speaker 1: many things that people were so passionate about, so many relationships,
Speaker 1: and so it was a really lovely thing to be
Speaker 1: able to come and finish that off together. So it's
Speaker 1: very sort of bit sweet towards the end because it's
Speaker 1: it was hard to say goodbye to it, but also
Speaker 1: it was a nice way to say goodbye to it.
Speaker 1: It was much better than the ending that I think
Speaker 1: anyone would have anticipated. So it's not that there's it's
Speaker 1: not a shocked grief, it's a you've had a chance
Speaker 1: to process and to work your way through it as
Speaker 1: you are manifesting into the world. Yeah, exactly right, exactly right.
Speaker 1: We also that last day, fortunately we actually spoke to
Speaker 1: the A d S about it because we assumed they've
Speaker 1: done it intentionally. It was like everyone all of the
Speaker 1: series regulars throughout the entire show, and then most of
Speaker 1: the recurring guest stars were there and a lot of
Speaker 1: the crew that were there, and then we had the
Speaker 1: rat party in the Institute in the in the big
Speaker 1: main set. It's just it just doesn't happen that way usually,
Speaker 1: and not because that's anyone's fault necessarily, that's just not
Speaker 1: completely We're already striking it as you right. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did have that. We did have sets being like
Speaker 1: drilled into the floor so nobody could go with their
Speaker 1: sticky fingers and start taking expensive things that dotted about.
Speaker 1: But it was sort of the best way to say
Speaker 1: goodbye to the show because even you know, even the
Speaker 1: last shot that Dom and I did was me walking
Speaker 1: away from it was walking away from like our final conversation,
Speaker 1: and it was and that's the last shot anyone did.
Speaker 1: That was anyone did on Shadow Yeah, I have this
Speaker 1: distinct memory though, that always solidified what Shadow Hunters was
Speaker 1: as a community. On set, I you know, bawling my
Speaker 1: eyes out because Clary is saying goodbye forever and everyone
Speaker 1: she loves and I turned the corner from the very
Speaker 1: last shot and our second e d s well are
Speaker 1: one of our first eighties and our second a d
Speaker 1: see like in Helga, we're standing around the corner with
Speaker 1: a cart full of champagne flutes just at the ready
Speaker 1: for when we prepped. Anyway, this is this is our family.
Speaker 1: You know. We laughed together, we cried together, we sell
Speaker 1: it together, and we make a story that hopefully helps
Speaker 1: people feel all the things that we felt while making it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder so much for you guys.
Speaker 1: At what time in this process the feedback loop began?
Speaker 1: You know, because you're creating all of this emotional energy
Speaker 1: and you're offering the insides of yourselves into these characters
Speaker 1: for whom people already have expectations, which is already a
Speaker 1: scary thing to do. And then as those people start
Speaker 1: taking that energy from me and they're placing it into themselves,
Speaker 1: like this is my Clary, this is my Jase, this
Speaker 1: is my and and that energy is now feeding back
Speaker 1: into you and threw you into the performance, back into
Speaker 1: the community. Like was there a time at which you
Speaker 1: became not like a snap of awareness, but at what
Speaker 1: time did you go, oh, I am me in this role.
Speaker 1: I am also a member of this shadow family out
Speaker 1: there who's watching it from the outside. And you know
Speaker 1: what I mean that that because we have that happened right,
Speaker 1: I know mine. We were invited to New York Comic
Speaker 1: Con right as the show was about to air. We
Speaker 1: had like the teaser trailer, which is sort of the
Speaker 1: first couple of minutes of the episode um and introduced
Speaker 1: sort of all of the individual characters, and we before
Speaker 1: we went out on stage, it was standing room only,
Speaker 1: absolutely for there were people waiting outside they couldn't get in,
Speaker 1: and we had to stand behind the big projector screen.
Speaker 1: So we watched the whole thing in reverse, which is
Speaker 1: a bit weird because you obviously we're behind where it's
Speaker 1: being projected, which is a bit strange. But we got
Speaker 1: to hear like I'm blowing my access, I'm not yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And we had never seen it before as well, we
Speaker 1: hadn't yet seen any of the show, but we got
Speaker 1: to hear We couldn't see anyone's face, but we could
Speaker 1: hear the reactions, and it came in these like waves,
Speaker 1: sort of cascading waves, and we've got to hear people
Speaker 1: like cheer for their characters that they've been dying to see,
Speaker 1: you know, since they started reading the books, and then
Speaker 1: it sort of occurred to me that like, oh wow, like,
Speaker 1: not only do these people care about what we do,
Speaker 1: we care about what we do, and we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: going to sort of be enveloped in this like as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, this sort of loop of energy where we're
Speaker 1: giving out and it's and sort of coming back at
Speaker 1: the same time. It was magical. There's a really magical
Speaker 1: thing to happen that doesn't happen very often that people
Speaker 1: really did connect. Um. So yeah, that was the first
Speaker 1: time where I went. And it's interesting that you mentioned
Speaker 1: like there was some trepidation with it, because then as
Speaker 1: I'm about to walk on stage, I was like, oh God,
Speaker 1: like that way hit me just for a second, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's true. Because we had made
Speaker 1: the first season in a bubble. We went straight to
Speaker 1: series and so we've shot thirteen episodes, and Alberto and
Speaker 1: I had just wrapped the previous evening and we all
Speaker 1: flew to New York late the night before, got up
Speaker 1: super early, and so we had just finished and no
Speaker 1: one had seen anything. We hadn't seen anything, and we
Speaker 1: were unleashing it on the world in that moment, and
Speaker 1: I remember standing behind that screen with the creators and
Speaker 1: our cast, and in this I had never been to
Speaker 1: a comic con, but for I didn't even know what
Speaker 1: I was walking into. And then, you know, you walk
Speaker 1: into the huge Jabbt Center in New York and there's
Speaker 1: posters of us everywhere, and you just kind of get
Speaker 1: to see, oh, wait, we've made this in a vacuum,
Speaker 1: and now we get to give it to the world.
Speaker 1: And to have the reaction be so enthusiastic from what
Speaker 1: one was was just that it was simultaneously terrifying and
Speaker 1: exciting because you get that that moment of going, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've we've made this, and we're proud of it, and
Speaker 1: there's an expectation for it. Let's hope that this enthusiasm continues.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's something that I'll give the Shadow
Speaker 1: fam massive credit for, is that throughout this entire process,
Speaker 1: they have been so open to coming on this journey
Speaker 1: and so open to everyone involved, from folks I guess
Speaker 1: that they see every week to folks like you. They
Speaker 1: get to come in and make such a splash, and
Speaker 1: and they just become so rabid for because I think
Speaker 1: they feel the commitment to the story that each of
Speaker 1: us have and it becomes this beautiful community. Well I
Speaker 1: just couldn't help but wonder with that that sense of
Speaker 1: magic that I feel that you were infused with, like
Speaker 1: upon my arrival. You know, I again you're guessing into something.
Speaker 1: There are different kinds of set, right. There are sets
Speaker 1: where there's a concrete wall between the key leads and
Speaker 1: the guests and whatever there are I don't remember, and
Speaker 1: I've never been on one. Yeah, I couldn't remember seeing
Speaker 1: your name for sure. You've heard legend of these sets.
Speaker 1: I've heard that's it. Yeah, I read about them in myths, um.
Speaker 1: And but then there are sets where there's like a
Speaker 1: chain link fence between the gay cast and you touch
Speaker 1: fingertips through the chain link fence. And then there are
Speaker 1: sets like yours, where by the time I arrived, your family,
Speaker 1: I would say, was firmly entrenched. I got there and
Speaker 1: I went, oh, ship, these people love each other and
Speaker 1: they love what they're doing, and they love the act
Speaker 1: of doing it. And everyone just went, are you here
Speaker 1: to play and make magic? Arms outstretched, Come and play
Speaker 1: and make magic. And that was a gift from you
Speaker 1: that when I ride was like, oh wow, all I
Speaker 1: have to do is do my best to bring the magic,
Speaker 1: which sounds like a silly thing to say. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It is normally difficult to come in too, as you say,
Speaker 1: this sort of entrenched community and be sort of the outsider, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be part of this for a little bit.
Speaker 1: I hope that's school and but everyone else is sort
Speaker 1: of already. It's very like teenagerad clicky, like a high
Speaker 1: school kind of thing. Um. And I think something that
Speaker 1: we wanted to do and something that we kind of
Speaker 1: pride ourselves on the fact that, like Shadow Answers, was
Speaker 1: a set that people could come to and feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: We wanted you to come to set and do the
Speaker 1: work because all it does the other side of it,
Speaker 1: working with the people who don't really welcome you, is
Speaker 1: it sets you back. Just sets you back. Time, It
Speaker 1: sets you back, emotion, it sets you but it makes
Speaker 1: you exhausted everyone. Um, and that is unacceptable for for
Speaker 1: everyone's point of view, like even you know so far
Speaker 1: as like if that attitude isn't there, then every shot
Speaker 1: takes longer, which then pushes the cruise time later, you know,
Speaker 1: so then the cruise an hour later than they should
Speaker 1: have been and it has such a negative impact. So
Speaker 1: I think and I'm very glad you felt that way,
Speaker 1: because we do we do best, oh absolutely for people
Speaker 1: who have never experience, who have never dipped a toe
Speaker 1: in the set life, and they don't they for shadow
Speaker 1: fam and shadow fans who look at the work that
Speaker 1: you did and they love it and they value it
Speaker 1: and they treasure it, which they should because it's beautiful work.
Speaker 1: They don't know about that other job necessarily that you
Speaker 1: were doing at all times, which was to host, which
Speaker 1: was to welcome, which was to introduce people to the party,
Speaker 1: and to to give them this I don't know, a loving,
Speaker 1: respectful place to to play with you. And so you know,
Speaker 1: when they're out there thanking you for what you did
Speaker 1: for them on the screen, they should also know all
Speaker 1: of that stuff that you gave to all of your
Speaker 1: guests off. So thank you very and shadow Fam. That's
Speaker 1: that second round of applausia them guys. Yeah, I owe
Speaker 1: a them money. Um, this really only works when only
Speaker 1: a cat a main coon. But this go ahead, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: right exactly, she's brown, about six years old. Um, but
Speaker 1: this this attitude really only works. And again we've said
Speaker 1: this before, but I think it's important to reiterate with
Speaker 1: with everyone who made us feel this way. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: we get these these guest stars coming in who not
Speaker 1: they're so wildly prepared, they've got such a grasp on
Speaker 1: who these characters are. They consistently blow us away with performances,
Speaker 1: which then pushes us to work a little harder as well.
Speaker 1: But it's also important that attitude is reflected back to us.
Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes being self conscious or whatever it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a subconscious reaction. It's not something that you
Speaker 1: can do, um necessarily anything about, but to not to
Speaker 1: not try and push through it at times can be selfish.
Speaker 1: Because we want you to be a part of this,
Speaker 1: you know, we want you to come and come and
Speaker 1: play like you've worked hard to get here, You've earned
Speaker 1: your place here, um as everyone has come and come
Speaker 1: and enjoy it with us, you know, come and be
Speaker 1: a part of this. And anything less than that can
Speaker 1: be can be sad sometimes. So I'm glad you felt
Speaker 1: that way. I'm really glad you felt that way because
Speaker 1: we felt that way as well. Absolutely, I'm not being
Speaker 1: hyperbolic at all. I mean I've been on no set
Speaker 1: more of that I have not been on a set,
Speaker 1: I will say that is a safer, more um fostering
Speaker 1: place to play. It is just a playful, beautiful thing
Speaker 1: that you made for people. And so that's I think
Speaker 1: that's it. But it also something extra happens when all
Speaker 1: of that love and all that positive energy has taken
Speaker 1: place behind the scenes. And you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that genes sicqualise. I don't know if there's a
Speaker 1: way to quantify it, but I do think that out there,
Speaker 1: the people who didn't know a thing about what was
Speaker 1: happening on that side of it, seeing that screen, they
Speaker 1: just go, oh, something's hitting me. There's a there's an energy,
Speaker 1: there's a love, there's a you know, he says the
Speaker 1: guy who abandons all myths. But whatever, there's you know what,
Speaker 1: it's that shadow fan magic. That's no there's no better
Speaker 1: way to put it. It really is. So do you
Speaker 1: do you have any stories to give us? Give us
Speaker 1: your favorite on set doesn't have to be give us
Speaker 1: your favorite wow favorite on set moment. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I I tend to think as in my in my
Speaker 1: declining years, as I as I think back to my youth,
Speaker 1: I know I I tend to to look at the
Speaker 1: experiences more now as individual, like what was the vibe
Speaker 1: from that set, what was the so so in total,
Speaker 1: to me, shadow Hunters was a brilliant and a beautiful
Speaker 1: uh place to visit because it was everything that you
Speaker 1: wanted to be in the sense of being playful, in
Speaker 1: the sense of being kind. I don't know if everyone
Speaker 1: knows that. Actually they probably do, because the Shadow fam
Speaker 1: is as inquisitive as anyone any but all of that
Speaker 1: kindness and openness I'm willing to play was at the
Speaker 1: end of these folks doing like seventeen hour days, doing
Speaker 1: like a crazy long shoots. So to be like at
Speaker 1: the limits of your endurance and your exhaustion and be
Speaker 1: kindly welcoming your guests while you're encouraging to play with
Speaker 1: you and doing the ennis matchup, like here's my performance energy,
Speaker 1: here's your performance energy. Like it just there's something I
Speaker 1: don't know, like emotionally athletic about it. In addition to
Speaker 1: be physically athletic about it, there's something emotionally a black
Speaker 1: about it. So so I always think of that it's
Speaker 1: just like a really really unique environment. I've had some
Speaker 1: some cool things that I've liked doing. But that's like,
Speaker 1: certainly I would say, like I'm among the characters that
Speaker 1: I've played, Ragnar is probably right up there at the
Speaker 1: top of my fans um, despite the fact that that's
Speaker 1: a little, you know, supporting guest, the part, you know,
Speaker 1: like I played, um Charles Manson in a TV movie
Speaker 1: a number of years. It was the only time on
Speaker 1: a full production that I've been like one on the
Speaker 1: sheet kind of kind of situation and UM, and that
Speaker 1: was really wild and it was really cool. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like the researchiness of it was vastly different to
Speaker 1: my researching us for Ragnar, Like the process of finding
Speaker 1: out what exists and learning how to process it was
Speaker 1: very much the same. Obviously a bit of a darker
Speaker 1: vibe on that. UM just saying that was a really
Speaker 1: wild experience. And you get to have sometimes a lucky
Speaker 1: moment where you say to yourself they go cut and
Speaker 1: you go, oh man, in that take, I got that
Speaker 1: beautiful gift of that moment where I wasn't here, where
Speaker 1: I me, the guy who's doing your work was not here.
Speaker 1: I surrendered. It's just true and it's its own thing.
Speaker 1: And like lucky me, I was the vessel to it
Speaker 1: for a second. But beautiful, you know, I find I
Speaker 1: find this when I have those moments and then I
Speaker 1: try and look back and like remember what it was?
Speaker 1: However I got there and I have almost zero memory
Speaker 1: of being in that Like there's no it's just empty,
Speaker 1: it's just black space, like right right, Yeah, it's a weird.
Speaker 1: It's a really odd thing that happens. Because that's what
Speaker 1: you want, right is to remember how to do that
Speaker 1: and replicate it every time, Like no idea, I did it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like without a direct line to Dionysius or whatever. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, that's the magic of
Speaker 1: what we do. And that's that's why we're always chasing
Speaker 1: these things and seeking these things and trying to find
Speaker 1: that moment again, um, you know, and as as creative
Speaker 1: as we have the luxury of doing that with other
Speaker 1: people who are doing the same. Well that but that's
Speaker 1: my my question to you, is like that that magic,
Speaker 1: Like I wonder how much of your personal magic batteries
Speaker 1: beyond a certain point are being fueled by that shadow
Speaker 1: of him and their supporting and huge amount amount honestly
Speaker 1: knowing that, like I never got into this business for
Speaker 1: the accolades or the magazine covers of the awards necessarily,
Speaker 1: although an Oscar would be nice at some point in
Speaker 1: my career, but that's not why I got into And
Speaker 1: I've always said to myself, you know, if I died
Speaker 1: playing at theater and something that I really cared about,
Speaker 1: doing a role that I really cared about, I'm doing
Speaker 1: what I love doing for a living. That's That's what
Speaker 1: I have always wanted to achieve, right, that's the dream.
Speaker 1: Until I realized that actually quite a lot of what
Speaker 1: we do is funded emotionally, like you said, by people
Speaker 1: saying that we like this, You're doing a good job,
Speaker 1: like we appreciate this, And it does sper me on
Speaker 1: for sure. But it's true, don that you say that,
Speaker 1: you know, we we so desperately want to. We pour
Speaker 1: our blood, sweat and tears into these characters and into
Speaker 1: telling these stories. But the fact that there are people
Speaker 1: out there that connect and are moved by it and
Speaker 1: and gain something from it emotionally is the most beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: It makes It means so much more. You know, we
Speaker 1: play make believe for a living, but it actually has
Speaker 1: a benefit, a greater benefit to the world we hope
Speaker 1: if we do it right. For sure, for sure, there's
Speaker 1: those times where you're like, am I just like indulging
Speaker 1: my ego? And you know, like any propemative things like
Speaker 1: let me examine my own motivations here and sure some
Speaker 1: of it is like I want to demonstrate that I
Speaker 1: have these capacities because I found out I have these capacity?
Speaker 1: Isn't there neat? And I want you to see them?
Speaker 1: And then some kids somewhere goes. You made me feel
Speaker 1: more free to love who I love this. You've given
Speaker 1: me that like wow, the profundity that can come from
Speaker 1: make believe in play that just you know, and and
Speaker 1: and the way that you know l G B t
Speaker 1: Q I, a particularly youth have embraced the show. It's
Speaker 1: just like and and and it makes sense to see
Speaker 1: that you can be different and be powerful in your
Speaker 1: difference and you can you know, I mean, that's like wow.
Speaker 1: To be a part of anyone's journey now, it's just
Speaker 1: like and and to to hear and hear and hear
Speaker 1: and hear how many people that your work has affected
Speaker 1: that way and and to some slight degree mind has
Speaker 1: I just like, Okay, well if that was it, like
Speaker 1: if that was If that was why, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll learn to pretend things. That's a pretty good reason, man.
Speaker 1: You know, Raja, Raja, look at her. She's not allowed
Speaker 1: in that cupboard. What is she doing? I love you,
Speaker 1: I love you, Rosa well, I don't know what's in there,
Speaker 1: but she wants it desperately. She came to say hi,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness looking and little Meal, look at you.
Speaker 1: Rager's beautiful. You're gonna be a good guy. I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna we have to do the exchange. I'm just
Speaker 1: I want to see my dearest love is about to
Speaker 1: bring me Nigel Nigel excited, Oh Nigel, boody goodness, Oh Nigel, Hi,
Speaker 1: say hello, my friend, this is Dominic. Wow do Adam.
Speaker 1: If your cat ever goes missing, don't don't ask me,
Speaker 1: don't ask me. But I know it wasn't his idea.
Speaker 1: So he's gone now. But thank you as an incredible
Speaker 1: looking cat. Wow you much. And and you know he
Speaker 1: connects to what I was just saying to about how
Speaker 1: like we got him. His life before us had not
Speaker 1: been great, you know, so when we got him, he
Speaker 1: was don't yeah, just be gentle with me. And now
Speaker 1: this little beastie. I show up. The second I hit
Speaker 1: the door, he's at my feet going rubbed this belly
Speaker 1: right now. It is like and any time that that
Speaker 1: you can make anyone or anything feel safe, for any
Speaker 1: time you can make anyone or anything feel more love
Speaker 1: or more valuable, Like it's just it's just it's so
Speaker 1: interesting because that actually is a perfect similarly for sort
Speaker 1: of what I was saying as well, what we've all
Speaker 1: been saying in the circle is like the reverse as well, right,
Speaker 1: because I can see it with you fairly obvious that
Speaker 1: Nige all makes you feel safe, and Raja makes me
Speaker 1: feel safe. Dan, my dog, makes me feel safe. Like
Speaker 1: it's like during the pandemic, which is horrendous. Really, the
Speaker 1: only two that I had was Raja and Dan day
Speaker 1: to day like, and those are the guys that kept
Speaker 1: me going, like there's you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: as much as like I try and give them their
Speaker 1: safety and their security and like I'll make sure that
Speaker 1: nothing bad ever happens to you, they do that with me,
Speaker 1: and they I think they know that they do that
Speaker 1: with me. Dan, especially Dan's very in tune with my emotions.
Speaker 1: If I'm upset, he'll come and he'll come and help
Speaker 1: you had a day as soon as Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about yeah, yeah, yeah, Bob doesn't do that.
Speaker 1: Bob is my my boxing dummy who was my quarantine
Speaker 1: companion for the most part. Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't
Speaker 1: really do that. He's just he's solid and he's always there.
Speaker 1: But it's not really in tune with emotions, if you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That sounds a bit of a
Speaker 1: shell of a man. You might say, there's there's a value.
Speaker 1: There's a value to having a bomber as well as
Speaker 1: a value to having a Bob. Definitely, um adam before
Speaker 1: we go, what was working on Assassin's Create? Like? I
Speaker 1: love it. I love I love acting with stuff that
Speaker 1: isn't there. I love allowing a monster or a battle
Speaker 1: to just present itself and all its glory, you know,
Speaker 1: blink it in and go okay, I'm willing to believe.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that when you get to suspend your
Speaker 1: own disbelief in that way, it's great. I love mo
Speaker 1: Cap and I love voice work, and I just um
Speaker 1: and and um again, like like Shadow Hunters, like for Odyssey,
Speaker 1: for Assassin's Creede Odyssey. When I was in that one. Um,
Speaker 1: Sophie and Ronny was our director, and she's another one
Speaker 1: of those people who is just like, let's just play,
Speaker 1: let's just have fun, let's find it, let's and and
Speaker 1: I know I sound so baffled when that happens, but
Speaker 1: I do feel like the ratio is a little skewed,
Speaker 1: perhaps towards the other way, do you know. And and
Speaker 1: so it is just such a gift when you get that.
Speaker 1: And so um My, in addition to the characters that
Speaker 1: I visually played in Assassin's Creed Odyssey, I also and
Speaker 1: many many of the mercenaries and soldiers and villain characters different.
Speaker 1: So I would show up when we when we got
Speaker 1: to just the vocal stuff at postmode cap So if
Speaker 1: you'll be like, Okay, today, I'm gonna need about five
Speaker 1: different soldier voices from you, and I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it. And and um and so when my
Speaker 1: best friend, um, the guy who I usually play games
Speaker 1: with if we are online, I'm not a huge online camera.
Speaker 1: When I play online games, it's usually with this dear
Speaker 1: friend of mine. I've known him for twenty years. We're
Speaker 1: doing some writing projects together. He uh, he was like
Speaker 1: I bought the game. Yeah, I haven't killing you all day. Man.
Speaker 1: My best friend took a day to just stab me
Speaker 1: everywhere he could find me. And yeah, you're the best
Speaker 1: listening to the voices, like hearing it in the crowd,
Speaker 1: that's him. I'm gonna go for that guy for sure.
Speaker 1: This is this is you're getting spear. I was like, thanks, man,
Speaker 1: he made your work. You know, he really utilized all
Speaker 1: the effort that you put into it. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's nice to feel it's nice to feel appreciated. But
Speaker 1: I do sometimes get involved in project and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say it's this handsome, but I do sometimes
Speaker 1: get involved in projects that where I'm not so much
Speaker 1: seen as heard, like um, like in the Expanse. I
Speaker 1: was in the pilot for the Expanse as a as
Speaker 1: a belter who who confronts Miller. But then as a
Speaker 1: result of going in, I had to go in to
Speaker 1: do a little piece of a d R on it.
Speaker 1: And then the director sound Wrector Nelson for Awesome Dude,
Speaker 1: was like, you're really good at doing these belter voices.
Speaker 1: I was like, so if you want melter voices, And
Speaker 1: so while I was only in the pilot. My voice
Speaker 1: has heard a lot in every episode of the Expanse
Speaker 1: because at one time there's so it's that loop thing,
Speaker 1: which not everyone outside the business knows about, but you
Speaker 1: know loop groups where you go in and you do
Speaker 1: background voices for shows. So, um, I've been in more
Speaker 1: if you counted up, like more battles and more spaceships,
Speaker 1: et cetera in the Expanse than anyone on the right.
Speaker 1: It's like, so I love I love stuff like that
Speaker 1: because I know when I started to perform, I definitely
Speaker 1: was looking for some kind of ego validation or whatever
Speaker 1: in my earliest years. And I just love doing the work.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not right, don't care, Like it is really
Speaker 1: nice when you're doing live stuff to get that electricity
Speaker 1: and that applause which side sidebars something about the shadow
Speaker 1: fan relationship feels very much like a theater relationship in
Speaker 1: a way that TV and phone usually doesn't. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I just well, like you were saying, you know,
Speaker 1: when you went to hall Age and you displayed it,
Speaker 1: and like you did the you did the season one
Speaker 1: play and the curtain dropped it and came out to
Speaker 1: the audience lost their minds and you know, like the
Speaker 1: trailer is is this theatrical? Yeah, it is production. So
Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's a neat. I don't know anyway.
Speaker 1: I just I love. I got way out of out
Speaker 1: of my thought pattern there, But I love. I love
Speaker 1: doing the work. I love performing, I love I love transforming.
Speaker 1: It's what I really like. I will play characters who
Speaker 1: have a lot in common with me, but it will
Speaker 1: never be as much fun as becoming and I think,
Speaker 1: I think, I see main actors would come. And there's
Speaker 1: nothing worse to me than when someone says, like you're
Speaker 1: a lot like this character. I'm like, I'm fucking not.
Speaker 1: But that can also be a thank you because you're
Speaker 1: like you took that earnestly enough that you believed the performance.
Speaker 1: When that person has nothing to do with me, but
Speaker 1: it is. It's really neat when you watch people who
Speaker 1: are really committed, and I can I can say it
Speaker 1: on both of your accounts when I when I watched
Speaker 1: you in the performance, that like in the in the program,
Speaker 1: versus being yourself yourself and watching like, oh I see
Speaker 1: I see now how his jaw is held more tightly
Speaker 1: than yours. I see now how your shoulder positioning broadens
Speaker 1: out and your and watching those mechanisms that you are
Speaker 1: shaping this person with and you're like, yes, it's still
Speaker 1: my equipment, it's still my body, it's still my voice,
Speaker 1: but it's I that subtle mechanism of like I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna plink of this piano string a little and I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna yes, tighten into and I just I love.
Speaker 1: I think the transformative elopment is the most beautiful part
Speaker 1: of what we do. Um despite growing up watching all
Speaker 1: those like Deniros and that she knows and they're wonderful,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not saying that, But what I am
Speaker 1: saying is, are they wonderful the same way that a
Speaker 1: streeper and the old man? Or no they're not. There
Speaker 1: are surgeons in a very very specific field. And I
Speaker 1: love when you step back and you go, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the whole picture and I'm making all these
Speaker 1: modifications and I'm I mean, that's my favorite thing about
Speaker 1: creating a character is getting to go, Okay, how do
Speaker 1: they move? What does it feel like to be in
Speaker 1: their skin? And then suddenly you know, you it's interesting
Speaker 1: stepping away from it and coming back. I when I
Speaker 1: did Arrow, I had stepped away from it, you know,
Speaker 1: when the show ended, and then they had me back
Speaker 1: on the Flash almost two years later after the pandemic,
Speaker 1: and I remember getting to set and going, wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: I gotta figure out her stuff again, because you live
Speaker 1: in it for so long and it becomes inherent and
Speaker 1: then you go, wait a minute, what was that? Let
Speaker 1: me I have to find her again. She's somewhere because
Speaker 1: it's still you. It's just a different way of as
Speaker 1: you said, pulling the strings. It's it's really fascinating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just it's so great. It's just like and we
Speaker 1: all do it. And people who don't perform, I don't
Speaker 1: know that they do perform. Yeah, Like people who don't
Speaker 1: perform often don't know that. And you're like, man, do
Speaker 1: you honestly think that you're the same person in the
Speaker 1: meeting with the CEO as you are when you're sitting
Speaker 1: on the couch with your course. Yeah. The big one
Speaker 1: for me is meeting the parents for the first time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'm not the same person then,
Speaker 1: I'm still not a Decker And I have been my
Speaker 1: girlfriend and I've been dating for a year I've met
Speaker 1: her parents a bunch of times. Now, I'm still very like,
Speaker 1: how you doing it? Very nice? You know, I'm just
Speaker 1: like I'm that was for anyway I think, But now
Speaker 1: there's just like another level of like it's just tuned
Speaker 1: up to eleven, you know what I mean, It's just
Speaker 1: a little more where it's like, yeah, it's just there's
Speaker 1: just that needs to be more than a modicum of
Speaker 1: respect here that for you know, these people. Anyway, Um, Adam,
Speaker 1: it's been amazing having you on. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me. It's been so wonderful hear about your
Speaker 1: process and to hear about Ragna of course, but to
Speaker 1: hear it just your beautiful voice again. And literally right
Speaker 1: after this, I'm gonna download Which one? Should I download?
Speaker 1: Odyssey or what was the other one? Okay? So there's
Speaker 1: lots of great performance in both, but from a play
Speaker 1: style from from gamers preferring to play them. More people
Speaker 1: enjoy the play mechanics of Odyssey than they do those
Speaker 1: of Valhalla. Okay, great, So well, Adam, where can we
Speaker 1: see you next? What's coming up for you? We need
Speaker 1: more Adam in our lives. Oh that is very kind
Speaker 1: of you. As soon I will indicate so I will
Speaker 1: soon be seen on one of what I think is
Speaker 1: the best shows in television in a very small role.
Speaker 1: But my favorite thing that I had coming up right
Speaker 1: at the moment would be I have a wonderful supporting role,
Speaker 1: a weird supporting role in a film called The Breach
Speaker 1: by Rodrigo Gadino and particularly um for Canadian listeners, Alan
Speaker 1: Hawko from Republic of Doyle and Natalie Brown, who you
Speaker 1: would know from The Strain and from several other wonderful,
Speaker 1: wonderful programs, her own show Sophie when that was on
Speaker 1: therein at Emily all Latalo and Wesley French and it's
Speaker 1: a really strange, surreal I will say a little about it,
Speaker 1: but that it falls into the horror genre. Amazing. That's
Speaker 1: so exciting. Great news. Well, we can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: I know you never believe I have a weird role
Speaker 1: in a weird film, but I know, what are the
Speaker 1: chances weird? Well, thank you so so much for having
Speaker 1: me on. Yes again, thank you for all the kindness
Speaker 1: as a as a colleague and as a fan. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, See you guys always. Return to the Shadows
Speaker 1: is hosted an executive produced by me Dominic, Sherwood and
Speaker 1: Katherine McNamara. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers
Speaker 1: are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our producers are
Speaker 1: Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilion. Original music by Alex Kinzy,
Speaker 1: performed by Alex Kinzy and Katherine magnamara. M