WEBVTT - Adam Kenneth Wilson 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:39.200 Hey, Oh, I am well, I'm well. How are you 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.479 guys doing well? Good? Welcome, Thank you so much for 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.120 having me on Adam. How are you? How's things? Where 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.400 are you in the world. I am in Toronto, Ontario, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.320 Canada at this time, which I'm sure brings a flood 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:57.200 of beautiful memories and triggering flashbacks to above most beautiful happy. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.200 What's the weather like right now? It's actually well, it's 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.000 pleasant enough that I'm doing sweater not uh you know. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.480 On the other hand, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.160 being as environmentally responsible as I should be right now. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:13.320 And the central air it's happening. So I get it. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.360 I get it, and sometimes you just got to lean in. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.280 I get it. I climate control when I was there 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.560 was was so key and getting it so exactly right, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.520 because especially when it was cold, when it was really 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.480 cold and you come back into your apartment, your apartment 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.240 was really hot. Yeah, messed with my That just messed 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.080 with my whole body and would make me sick pretty 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.160 quickly because my body would jump from one to the other. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.319 So I would have to keep it cool but not 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.320 too cold, because I didn't want to sleep in the cold. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.560 I wondered about that when you when you guys were 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.120 doing like exterior stuff, especially like as you mentioned on 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.200 the previous cast with the rain towers or whatever, and 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.360 then you go into like the hot lights, the heated 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:48.920 are it like did the contrast make you want to 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.280 drop to your knees or like? It was a lot. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.360 I mean, but they obviously took really great care of 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.440 us with you know, as many ferny blankets and wetsuits 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.120 and things that they could. But yeah, it is, it is. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.640 You know, it's a shock to the system for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.240 I've I've done a couple of things that are extreme, 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.720 Like I want for this friend of mine who does 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.560 these weird love crafty and things. I did it a 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.120 short for him, and we were scheduled to be in 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.280 the winter in northern Ontario. The weather side it was 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:17.880 going to be fine, and it ended up being like 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:22.960 minus forty with sleet and and uh, the good news 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.720 is there was no contrast. And later I realized that 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.399 it's better to have had the comfort and never had 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.600 that and just be like plowing through this until I 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.959 can just find someplace to heal and survive. Yeah, I 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.120 agree with you, don't let your body, like, let yourself 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.079 acclimatize to it as much as you can, Like, we're 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:39.960 going to be in this for a minute. Let's just 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.160 live in this world. This is going to be our day. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.040 And then when I can get warm, I'm going to 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:45.640 get warm for goods. But I don't want to go 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.720 warm cold warm, cold, because my bodiesn't know what to 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.840 do with that. And it's like, dear, dear PMS coordinators, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.800 let's make sure, yeah, kar in mind, we're not freezing 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.000 and thawing the talent to a degree that they might 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.079 be a new something. Now Dom, and I learned that 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.840 pretty quickly on Shadow Hunters actually, and now Dom, I 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.680 don't know if you've had this experience when you're on 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.440 another set and you're not constantly throwing your warming jacket 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.800 on between ticks, people get so concerned that are you 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.160 sure we can bring you your jacket if you're cold, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.320 And it's it's that thing of notes. I need to 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.280 have stasis so I'm not jarred every time they call action. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:21.919 Oh for sure, for sure. And then also to you ever, 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.280 have you ever either ever had that situation where someone 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.280 makes you so comfortable that you're not that you can't 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.840 be as uncomfortable as the character is. And you're like, now, yeah, 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.480 act the discomfort that I could have just walked three 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:38.440 has been uncomfortable. Yeah, Adam, will listen, mate, Welcome to 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.120 the show. Thank you so much for being a part 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.840 of this with us. Um, you had such a pivotal 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.600 role in in season one, and I think a role 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.840 that very quickly and in large thanks to you became 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.880 sort of a fan favorite, was one of my personal 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.480 favorites as well. Um, so why don't we start by 0:03:55.800 --> 0:04:00.800 by introducing yourself to the listeners and and tell us 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.240 how you can involved in Shadow ins is what the 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.280 processors like through that? Sure? Okay, So my name is 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.440 Adam Kenneth Wilson. Hello, Shadow Fam, and thank you for 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.480 the love, the so much love that you've given to 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.480 ragnar Fell. And well we'll get onto Shadow Fam and 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.480 we'll talk about what that is and what that means 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:20.080 and how startlingly beautiful the gift of the Shadow FAM's 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.560 love and community is. But but for me when I 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.160 when I got involved in it, um, I had been 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.080 aware of the existence of the film The Mortal Instuments, which, 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.719 as we know, the lovers of the original work did 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.599 not connect with in the way. I think someone said 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.040 to me that they someone who was being kind once 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:41.440 about my little visit into the show, had said that, Um, 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.960 as much as they thought it was an interesting representation 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.960 the original Shadow Hunters, they did not necessarily feel represented 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.160 by it. The film did not feel like it was 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.920 a representation of the community. They didn't manifest themselves into 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.920 those characters in the way that you later would allow 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.000 them to. And I thought that really interesting that there. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.800 I don't know, I don't know what the what the 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.560 man check sauces or or what it is, but when 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.880 people can view you as a portal into that experience 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.120 in a way that they just were seeing manifested externally, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.599 that's that's a beautiful thing. Um. So obviously you brought 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.960 some some kinds of universal humanity or some kinds of 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:17.719 I don't know, I guess truth in what could have 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.040 just otherwise been more of a flat or hollow genre 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.359 project that people got really emotionally invested into it. But 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.159 so for me, I knew the film existed, I and 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.839 I via that knew that the books existed, but I 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.480 hadn't really taken much of an interest in them. I 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.000 read uh, the moral instruments. As soon as I found 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.080 out that these auditions were happening, Um, I read it 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:43.680 and Stephanie Goren was the Canadian casting and she and 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.719 I already have a relationship. She's I've done some odd 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.279 and genre things with her in the past. Although this 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.800 is interesting because I wanted to kiss her because I 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.200 and I don't want to say that film and television 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.920 media has a type, but when you have a triangular 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.880 chin and deep set beat eyes and you're a bit 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.760 on the pale end, you tend to take on characters 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.080 who are exclusively villainous, and so it was beautiful for 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.640 me to I At one point I thought about having 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.120 a business cards printed that said I'm not telling you 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.200 cops curse word. And because I was playing so much 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:21.800 of that and to Tom be offered this character who 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.359 comes off as this could be a menacing character, this 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.160 could be someone who's a threat to Clarifray. When she 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.919 discovers him, and then there is a love and a 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:32.400 beauty and a support offered, I was like, h m hmmm. Um. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.239 I've always always, always been fascinated by anything that is genre, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:41.200 particularly in mystical stuff. I was one of those Lord 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.039 of the Rings kids. I was raised with Catholic mythology 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.000 and Christian mythology, and so interesting that lists you with 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:55.960 a sense of longing for those supernatural elements in your life, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.200 the fascination with angels, demons of war and the and 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.800 all of that stuff. And once, once I had kind 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.240 of excluded that from my actual practical day to day life, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.960 I was like, you need you search. We're searchers, were 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.080 pattern creatures, and we're always looking for the mystic and 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.080 we're always looking for the poetry in the universe, and 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.920 like this, this realm, it's there's so much poetry and 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.840 so much magic and all of those things that you know, 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.040 a lot of people long for. I'm one of those. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:28.800 So I'm like, well, you guys, you've manifested these characters 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.840 so well, and you I know you you you had 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:37.640 some vampiric experience, and I know you can't have it. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.120 You can't have been superheroes as well as you know, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.880 mystical superhero superhero superheroes in the sense of you know, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.680 Miss Smoke and the like. You must sometimes look at 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.520 yourself as like we are the modern myth tellers. We 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.800 are the we're telling the heracles of our day. We're 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.520 telling the whichever those things are. And I think that this, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:57.840 this realm, in the shadow realm is is just a 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.960 beautiful like welcome to the New dance, Welcome to the 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.320 new You know, I don't want to much, but the 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.880 other stiff too. Anything you want on this podcast. But 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.560 it's something that I've always loved about the shadow world 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:11.960 as well. And I think you hit the nail on 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.520 the head, is that, Yes, it's all of these mystical, 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.600 fantastical creatures that we grew up reading about and we 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.400 love reading about, and it's it's rooted in mythology of 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.960 every culture, but it's it's also very rooted in the 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:28.680 reality of our world today, and it's woven into the 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.040 world that we all experience. And so there's it sort 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.560 of fulfills that longing that you're talking about, which is 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.080 why I think so many people connect to this particular mythology. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:43.880 For sure, speaking of you doing a fantastic job in 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.560 this role, I was convinced you were British, absolutely convinced. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.040 I think I asked you, didn't I ask you where 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.959 in England you're from, because you and I had that 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.840 conversation where you're like, are you Are you an educated 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.120 Londoner who's muting down your accent to sound like you're 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.439 from a more read, generalized place or a regional guy 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.680 who was trained to sound more English and um, And 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.600 that was such a gift to me because I really 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.120 really appreciate I have spent a lot of time playing 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.280 with my voice, a lot of time as a very 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.679 hush hush side gig. I have done some dialect coaching 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.319 in the past. Cool, but I might be one of 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.440 those people. Um, no offense to any of the other 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.720 you know American folks, very talented and lovely American folks 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.280 who are around. But I was raised with better television, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.680 dum um. I was raised with with UK television. And 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.400 so whether it was something as simple as my nan 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.600 watching Corey, or whether it was you know, um, any 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.280 of the good lord the crime procedurals that so would 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.280 harold a new age of lesser American crime procedurals and 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.640 ending yeah, I would say probably by the time I 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.920 was let's say ten, um, I would have known the 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.560 difference between something that approximates some more educated London or 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.040 someone who's who's um, who's from the North who's not 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.760 afraid to be from the of or someone who's from 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.840 the North but is trying to sound like they're actually 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:10.760 more London than they are. That's very impressive, amazing, thanks 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.719 to me God. Like a voices of fingerprint, right, it's 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:19.400 this beautiful. It belongs to someone and and it identifies 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.600 them in this way, so the way some people will 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:28.200 smell someone's perfume or catch uh light, the glint of 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.360 a light in their eye that goes, oh, that's the 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.520 color your eyes are when the weather is like this. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.800 To me, the sound of someone's voice is what evokes 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.720 all of that poetry and all that Like it's a 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.640 gift to me to get to hear your voices again 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.680 now because I hear them and I go, oh, I 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.120 remember as soon as you said that to me when 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.079 I were standing outside of Ragner's house facing it from 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:53.920 this angle. And uh, that's that's the magic. That's memory, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.920 trigger the ability and is the set you right. It's 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.199 the same with so many of the senses that like 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.040 touch and smell and tay. You can taste something and 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:02.600 it will take you back to the restaurant you first 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.320 had it out, or whoever first cooked it for you 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.120 and you remember it so implicitly. Um, it was really 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.320 cool and it's a gift for us to be honest, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.320 to be able to to actually give that compliment to 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.480 to a non British person, because you're right, it's it's 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.720 a difficult accent to to get ahold of, and because 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.480 there are so many regions in such a small area, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.600 getting the specificity of whatever that accent is is really difficult. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.640 It's difficult for me to do regional British accents, so 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.720 to hear someone not from the UK be able to 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.480 do it to the extent that I thought you were 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.280 from England is not only mind blowing, but a real 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.959 asset to you and then obviously to us in the show. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.680 That's and and the Shadow fam were like extremely kind 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.800 about it out there, you know when when that episode 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.040 aired and people were like, thank god they got a 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.520 brit to do that. I was like, yeah, thank you, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.680 thank you so much. Funny. That's great. Speaking of the 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.960 specificity of the creation of this character, there's so many 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.280 elements of Wragner that became iconic, be it your voice 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.200 or his look, or his house or the horns and 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.480 the the slight reference to the green skin so tell 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.960 us a little bit about what that process was like 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.600 for you once you kind of got on set. Were 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.199 you involved or did they have it all set or 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.440 kind of what what was your experience through the creation 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.240 of Wagner. Now, I'm not gonna lie to you. I 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.120 tried to be a little pushier during our exchanges about 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:34.400 Wragner than was popular, because normally, when you're in the 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.600 position that I am, and you're guessing in and you're 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.920 coming to this family that already exists, and you're I mean, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.240 you've guessed it on something. I know you're not doing 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.440 a lot of guessing right now on the big stuff, 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.679 but you've guessed. You've guessed it on stuff, and when 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.199 you do, you tend to come in, look around, go oh, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.160 that's how we're doing this, and you don't rock the boat. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.680 I didn't get into a fight, but I did get 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.680 pretty heated about my insistence that he should be green, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:02.040 because once I started searching everything, once I'd read the books, 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.440 then I saw what fans out there were doing. You know, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:05.720 you look at what they're doing, you look at their 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.079 fan art, and it meant a lot to them that 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:09.760 was green. It meant a lot to them that he 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.880 had the smaller horns placed you here rather than larger, 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:17.199 broader horns here. And um, I saw this consistent representation 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:18.800 and what they wanted and what they were expecting, and 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.600 I did. I thought for it, and I tried to 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.840 get it. But as I'm sure there were many a 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:29.120 conversation with you where you had invested h certain research 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.240 or certain decision making sets into your characters. And then 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.800 network is going to have their views, and production is 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.880 going to have their views. And don't get me wrong, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.600 I think what Paul Jones did was beautiful. I think 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.840 the horns that he gave me were magnificent, and he 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.240 and his assistants did some great, great work. But then see, 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.120 here's the here's the kicker. I could have talked myself 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.400 out of a gig because if they had really followed 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.080 me and given me the horns I wanted and the 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.240 green skin I wanted, they would have insisted on an 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.680 actor who more accurately represented the visual age of the 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:03.080 character the way the fans had been. Right, So, so 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.200 do you want it to be booked perfect? No? I don't. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.760 I think this guy, this is the right guy. But 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.679 let's get the details, you know, So so we met 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.080 in the middle and we did exactly what they wanted. Yeah, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.240 which is how it very often goes in my experience. Yeah, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.280 it's a lot like a relationship. You know, I wanted 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.320 I wanted a cat, my girlfriend wanted a dog, so 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:25.760 we met in the middle when we got a dog. 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.560 You know that whole thing. Cats and dogs, man, I 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.479 love them so so much. I have an unhealthy relationship 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.480 with my cat Nigel, who may turn up at some point. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.880 I don't know. He's a massive himily and fluffy boy. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.760 I would wear him in one of those Baby, you 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.800 have a main can. What is your address? I'm just asking, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.680 of course, ocean. Trust me, I've wanted to struggle. You 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.200 have no idea how far I'll go to steal a 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.440 beautiful cat. Yeah, she's honestly, she's a bit of a nightmare. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.320 She's just discovered the entrance to the like the ottoman 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.280 storage in my bed, but cannot get out of it. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.880 So the last three mornings in a row she's been 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.400 scratching at the mattress from underneath at like four in 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:07.840 the morning, and I'm like, I don't know, why are 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:13.840 you going there? Like you know you can't get out Yeah, Tom, 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.760 it's a cat cave. It's fun in there and then 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:38.800 you just you know, get stuck. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Yeah, 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.040 can we please talk about Magnus and Wagner a little 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.240 bit and that friendship and the dynamic that you and 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.960 Harry had. I mean, it's you know, we know you're 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.760 incredible and we know Harry is incredible, but still for 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.040 two folks to come together having just met and create 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.720 this banter and this friendship and this sort of way 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.320 of communicating that is so seamless and inherit it. I 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.160 loved watching it. So tell us a little bit about 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.480 that process and kind of how you made that magic. Well, 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.200 you know, you know far better than I do, how 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.920 expressive a creature Harry is, and how I knew he 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.800 was a dancer, and I knew that he could say 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.760 things with a flick of his hand or a turn 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.840 of his head that I could I would have to 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.520 go write me some lines because there's no way I'm 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.640 going to more his his The nature of his expressiveness 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.200 is such that you can get so much from him 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.560 in little things. Um. I what I didn't expect is 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.000 how good a dancer he is with his eyes and 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.600 what I mean by that is when I met him 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.720 and he was just so gracious and wonderful to meet, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.840 and there was a beat and a breath, and he 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:48.920 gave me a look, and in that look he was like, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.680 I love you, you love me. We're good. Does that 0:16:52.760 --> 0:17:00.280 make sense? And with that like, I couldn't. I'm not 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.920 psychic enough for whatever to translate it directly. I can't say. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.640 He was beaming. We've loved each other for a long 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.600 time and this we're carrying this history with us into that. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.080 I don't not the specifics of it, but the broad 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.200 I have always loved you, You have always loved me. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.200 You are safe. You were loved with just a little 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.000 look and a little blink, and I went, okay, all right, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.360 And I asked, as in the my difference, I will 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.560 always behit for you. In that little that beat, I said, 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.239 is it all right if I if I touch her? 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.080 And he was like, he was like, what do you 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.000 have to like you? Of course you? It was a yes, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.680 like a like why would you even ask me that? 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:43.879 Because this love is so The reality that he offered 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.640 into that was such that I just okay, I need 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.440 do nothing except trust you in the love that you're 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.960 generating and that means that we have been friends forever. 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.639 And yeah, it was. It was really that was the 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.520 easiest little moment that could have been. Could have been 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.680 some could have been. It's really cool. And I still 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.960 want to know what happened between those characters in Peru. 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.639 I do. I want to know. That would be a 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.679 crazy spin. Was just the immortals and all of the 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:17.200 ship they did for centuries previous, like pre Js, pre Clary, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.719 pre Alec, like just the Shenanigans that like Ragna and 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.000 Camille and Magnus got up to How Raphael got lugged 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:27.959 in the mix, like all of those, How they just 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.720 navigated their way through the centuries. Oh my god, I'd 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:36.199 watch that, My goodness. I would love to watch some 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.080 youngsters do that. I would love to see someone do it. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:41.680 I don't want to really be a part of it. No, 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.520 I want to just watch it as an audience member, 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.280 I think. But you know, that's another thing with this Lord, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.320 as we were still so early on in the series 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.439 that you and Harry established so much in that moment 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:57.240 of what these immortal friendships can represent and what warlocks 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.280 are and how they exist and it. At know, we've 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.520 had so many conversations about immortality on this show and 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.840 and sort of what that means and how that can 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.040 manifest itself, but it became so apparent and inherent with 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.080 you two, the sort of weight of the ages. That's 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:15.960 that's such a kind thing to say that, so that 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:17.960 it's felt that way, and I certainly I've heard that 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:19.880 from some very kind members of the shadow Man as well, 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.800 that they're like, clearly these dudes of go warlocks forever 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:28.760 together and have this um. But I wondered, like not 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.240 that coming in as I did, being invited in for 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:36.640 that moment of the piece, not knowing what your eternities 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.639 looked like before. It was a strange feeling, not knowing 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.640 what that again, because you you had the task upon 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.080 you of navigating these waters. What does this power mean? 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.720 What what does this history mean? How powerful is the blood? 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.879 What is the all of those things that you had 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:53.639 to generate? And I came in and I was like, 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.560 I have to make it as specific as I can 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.439 in my choices, but I have to keep it as 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.440 vague as I can in my knowledge what that is 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.040 because I don't know the shorthand you have for what 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.359 all those things? And that's what Cat's saying, Like we didn't, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.360 we didn't, like none of this backstory was written for 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.200 like any of these characters. So like, if that question 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.359 had never been like asked or read its head, the 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:20.480 adds would have been, I don't know, what did you 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.359 do in the eight hundreds? Like I don't know, I 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:26.560 don't know. Someone says to you, at a scale of 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.560 one to tend, how powerful is this power that you're 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.199 using right now this room that you're how powerful you'd be, Like, 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:32.680 I don't know when they would say to you while 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.600 you're deciding right now. So yeah, well, these were so 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.960 many of the conversations that we had throughout and then 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.760 particularly too as our powers kept changing. You know, Don 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.119 got the Goldenknife thing, and I got the portals, and 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.320 we had to learn and half the time it was 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.800 in situation you figure it out and make it up 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:52.760 and make some sort of logic that then you have 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.960 to remember for the rest of the series too. Yeah. 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.000 I remember having a conversation with Matt once when Matt 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.000 jumped off a building landed on his feet, and he 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.400 was like, so falling off a building is no longer 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.320 a threat for us, like, we can't use that anymore 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.959 because we've just proved that we can survive that. So 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.320 that's like I'm dangled at anytime, Like at that point, now, 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.159 can you just be like what that's okay, Like you 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:17.719