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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. I'm my favorite Murder. That's Birthday Girl,

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Speaker 1: Georgia Heartstar.

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Speaker 2: That's Garen Kilgara, and.

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Speaker 1: We're here to birthday podcast for you. If you're watching

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Speaker 1: us on Netflix. There's a gorgeous and I mean gorgeous

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Speaker 1: set decoration by our set decorator, really Corey. It's so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It's purple themed, which is just my color. These are,

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Speaker 2: I guest sweet peas?

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Speaker 1: What is it? Sweet peas? I don't know? Correct? Oh

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Speaker 1: flower beautiful?

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Speaker 2: And I asked Molly because I've been the other day

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Speaker 2: really casually goes, so, what is your favorite flower?

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Speaker 1: Anyway? After fourteen years making small talk? After thirteen years?

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Speaker 2: Oh so, I was like, someone asked him, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to ask him who it is, But what

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Speaker 2: if he just wanted to know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What if he was actually curious about you? Oh well,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's just content. Everything is content.

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Speaker 2: Is it weird that if I were and I kind

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Speaker 2: of was born when this podcast started, i'd be eleven

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Speaker 2: years old today.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's the best age to be. Yeah, eleven,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I think when I was around nine

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Speaker 1: I really started coming into my prime. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: it's sunset. It around the age of twelve, and when

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Speaker 2: Because you're not a girl and you're not yet at

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Speaker 2: one as everyone.

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Speaker 1: Knows, everyone but only me and Britney Spears really understood,

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Speaker 1: really can talk about it. I thought these were fake.

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Speaker 1: They're so beautiful? Are No? They are no? No, they

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Speaker 1: are beautiful. Yes. Yeah, let's toast this so I can

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Speaker 1: dreap this. Happy birthday, Georgia. Thank you you are eleven

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Speaker 1: years old today. Congratulations, you too live there.

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Speaker 2: I have a book recommendation for your birthday.

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Speaker 1: If that's what you want for your birthday, you get

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Speaker 1: one thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I want. You're gonna love it. This

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Speaker 2: is a book that's more your style. But I loved

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Speaker 2: it so much so it kept me in because much

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Speaker 2: like Pride and Prejudice right exactly. It's called When Winter Comes.

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Speaker 2: It's about this teenage girl from Cincinnati in the mid

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Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds. She has to flee town. She lives a

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Speaker 2: rough and tumble life. Prospects are not good for her.

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Speaker 2: Steal some money, gets the buck out of town, finds

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Speaker 2: she pays her way on with this like German family.

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Speaker 2: So they're going across to the west like to make

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Speaker 2: their life in California, and she's gonna fucking like change

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Speaker 2: her life, and so the Donner Party moves on and

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Speaker 2: there they go.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Donner Party story perspective Angry seventeen fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen, Smart, plucky, ang but not given to me, naive,

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Speaker 2: immediately weary.

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Speaker 1: It is so fucking good.

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Speaker 2: And it's just it's totally you know, of course fiction,

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Speaker 2: but it's based on so much fact and I can

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Speaker 2: tell you nothing will make you like stop feeling bad

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Speaker 2: for yourself or the fact that it's to clean your

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Speaker 2: house or whatever the fuck. Then listening to a girl

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Speaker 2: getting through the fucking Donner Party Winter.

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm all, okay, wait, who wrote it? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So it's called When Winter Comes by a woman named

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Speaker 2: Va Shannon, and I think this was her first novel.

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Speaker 1: In man, it's not gonna good. Yeah, amazing. Yeah. Do

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Speaker 1: you think she picked Va Shannon in honor of VC Andrews? Oh? Possibly?

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Speaker 1: It's a cool initial combination is it seems mysterious. It's

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Speaker 1: so mysterious. It's great. I mean, I'm so excited, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: historical fiction is like, oh, that's the way my weird

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's immersive and that's what makes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just read it. It's great. Well, i'd like to

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Speaker 1: give you a birthday present. Oh okay, I thought that

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Speaker 1: was my birthday present. Just me listening to that recommendation

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Speaker 1: and not turning my back. So I we recorded when

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Speaker 1: especially with us, where literally it's been like I'm going

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Speaker 1: some of my favorite presents, like months after my actual birthday.

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Speaker 2: Look at the hot dog phone you gave me. Look

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Speaker 2: at the corn dog portrait hanging in my office. It's

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Speaker 2: just all hot dog theme, which I love.

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Speaker 1: It really is. Well, you know, that's how we know

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Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, it's pretty superficial.

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Speaker 3: But it works.

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Speaker 2: And I'm eleven, and so of course hot dogs are

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Speaker 2: my favorite thing.

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Speaker 1: So also cats are your favorite things? Well, cats and

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Speaker 1: doing what you want is your favorite thing. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: It's a tote that says I do what I want

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Speaker 1: So I found that, and just this second I saw,

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Speaker 1: but then okay, what I did was include inside of

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Speaker 1: fifteen step Crean skincare routine for you shut that I'm

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Speaker 2: Oh did you go to the news store in Pasadena that.

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Speaker 1: Just opened all of young Yeah? Yeah, I went to

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Speaker 1: I got some so estera. We've got skin one oh four,

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Speaker 1: we've got clue editor hartleaf, spot pad. Oh you got

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Speaker 1: some redness. That shit is truly. That's what I used

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Speaker 2: if you want to see what she got me and

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Speaker 2: see these purple decorations too, you can go to We're

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Speaker 1: We check out Netflix. We could do video. That's me

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Speaker 1: telling you about how to do that. Okay, that skincare routine. Sure,

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Speaker 1: if that's something that you would want to hear.

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Speaker 2: After the fan call. Yeah, so join the fan called

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Speaker 1: People have been asking for me to drop my skin

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Fun, you're welcome. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: him know they're going to hate me. Thank you, you're welcome. Oh. Also,

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Speaker 1: but I follow so many Italian creators that do tiktoks.

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Speaker 1: There's a guy that just stands I think I've said

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Speaker 1: send it to me. I'm going to send it to you,

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Speaker 1: but then I'm also going to watch that live stream

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Speaker 1: He looks like a taller Italian or like an older

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Speaker 2: So good that and the guy who's like, what's your

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Speaker 2: They teach him and we're all friends. And there's world

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Speaker 2: peace that's right through dance, through language, language and streets

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Speaker 1: Streets and up. Do you have some words of wisdom

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll say an Italian not to live your own life.

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Speaker 2: And I guess live and we have a podcast network.

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Speaker 2: Here we go exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Media. Here are some highlights nice this week. On Brief Recess,

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Speaker 1: about protecting LGBTQ youth. They also break down the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court's recent ruling and what it means for the future

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Speaker 1: of conversion therapy laws. That's still happening. It's going backwards

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Speaker 1: at a rate that is, of course alarming for most people,

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Speaker 2: No, if something was a joke in the nineties, you

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Speaker 2: can't bring it back. It just doesn't fucking work that way.

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Speaker 2: Then over on Dear Movies, I Love You a million,

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Speaker 2: Casey continued you now with a deep dive into lucio

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty one. Good pronunciation, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Plus, they present yet another installment of film etiquette, tackling

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Speaker 1: Very specific I yeah, it's the previous itself.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Where to clap and scream? Where not to? I don't

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Speaker 1: know these things, okay. Then over on Disgrace Land, Jake

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Speaker 1: Brennan tells the story of the Hillsbro disaster.

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Speaker 3: You covered that.

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Speaker 1: This special World Cup episode examines the tragedy, the massive

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Speaker 1: cover up that followed, and the fight for justice that

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Speaker 1: changed sports forever. That is one of the most riveting

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Speaker 1: stories I've ever heard. Riveting and horrifying. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Over on Ghosted, Raz welcomes drag Icon Ginger Minge. They

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Speaker 2: discuss psychic intuition, a haunted community theater, and gingers encounter

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Speaker 1: Forehand massage, just the single hand? Is that scarier or

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Speaker 1: I'm really in danger.

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Speaker 2: Send us your stories of parkouring out of trouble. That

437
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 2: had my favorite order of Gmail.

438
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: Especially if they involve high school parties. A man hunt ensues.

439
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 1: Of course, they call in a bunch more officers. They

440
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 1: quickly track him down. He's taken into custody and he's

441
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Speaker 1: identified as twenty nine year old Army sergeant jeff Manchester.

442
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,719
Speaker 1: Oh he's not a superintendent. No, he's nice as supped.

443
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 1: He's he's in the army.

444
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 3: Now.

445
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: He admits to robbing two separate North Carolina McDonald's within

446
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. Wow. Just hours before he

447
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: robbed the Belmont location, he had already targeted one in Gastonia,

448
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: North Carolina. So the Roofman was born Jeffrey Manchester in Sacramento, California,

449
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, according to reporter Katie Dowd for

450
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: s Fgate. Quote by all indications, he had a typically

451
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: sunny California childhood end quote. After graduating high school, he

452
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: gets married, he has kids, He enlists in the military.

453
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: He's trained as a paratrooper, and in that training he

454
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: is taught how to climb up to and jump from

455
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: and repel off of nerve wracking.

456
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: Heights, all right, and from all lighting up.

457
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. So by nineteen ninety nine, a year into the

458
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: Roofman robbery, series. Jeffrey and his family are stationed in Conquered, California,

459
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,719
Speaker 1: which is in the area. November of that same year,

460
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: Least responded to a domestic disturbance at Jeffrey's home. We

461
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: don't know what that involved. What we know is that

462
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: soon after his wife files for divorce and gets custody

463
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: of the kids. So for the next few months, Jeffrey's

464
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: life is the details are spotty. Less than a year

465
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: after the domestic incident, he's arrested in North Carolina for robbery.

466
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: Then he tells police the locations are incidental. He's only

467
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: been to North Carolina for a couple of days, being

468
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: dispatched here for work, and the work is over. He's

469
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: supposed to go back to California, but instead he decided

470
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: he was going to drive his rental car west through

471
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and as he did, hit one McDonald's after another.

472
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: So wow, sounds to me like he's like the man

473
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: who's lost everything that mattered to him. Yeah, and now

474
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: he's just kind of that's a fuck it move, a

475
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: true fuck it move. Coincidentally or not, Jeffrey used to

476
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: work at a California McDonald's. Yeah, that makes sense.

477
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 2: I think people do that, like you have to look

478
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 2: at your ex employees first, right when something like that happen.

479
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: Well, because there's this automatic familiarity like if you drop in,

480
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: you know.

481
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: What time they do this and what happens here and to.

482
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: Get a made yeah, exactly what you can't get into.

483
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: And Matt has keys to what We could go on

484
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: and on and we will on the fan called that's

485
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: what we do. We just list other options.

486
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 2: And then he could have kept his uniform and just

487
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: strolled on in like he fucking worked there.

488
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: He could have loved frozen French fries and just ate

489
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: him out of the bag. Yeah okay, So motive wise,

490
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: he tells police, it was to quote, pay bills and

491
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: buy things for my kids. End quote. He also says, quote,

492
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: I will do everything I can to fix the situation.

493
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: I still have a lot to give the community and

494
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: the army. I thought it was going to be quick cash,

495
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: and I ended up scaring people and wasting the police's

496
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: time as well. And I am sorry for that little

497
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: police ask kissing. And there at the end, it's nice

498
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: to hear. In total, the amount stolen in all of

499
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: these roof man robberies is somewhere around one hundred thousand dollars,

500
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: which would be two thousand and four birthday style.

501
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: Hundred thousand in today's money is two hundred and ten thousand.

502
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: It's one hundred and ninety thousand. You're within twenty thousand.

503
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: That means you win a birthday thank you. Would you

504
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: have changed that number if you had known that nineteen

505
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: ninety nine was really the era we were talking about

506
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of five years earlier. That would have taken it

507
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: down by yeah, like I would have yeah, ding ding

508
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: dings kind of you. Then you went up. It's all

509
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: my fault. So ultimately doesn't really matter that amount because

510
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: he's charged with several felonies and he ends up being

511
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: sentenced to thirty five years in prison. WHOA. The police

512
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: are confident Jeffrey is behind the forty plus almost identical

513
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: robberies committed across the country. Many of the businesses hit

514
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: are located in areas Jeffrey has either lived in or

515
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: visited because of work. He maintains that it was a

516
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: different guy. It's not different paratrooper or whatever the fu Yeah,

517
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: it was. It was a different guy that cut a

518
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: two by two hole in the ceiling repelled down into

519
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: the store, politely forced employees to walk into a.

520
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: Cooler at the same restaurant that he used to work

521
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: at at his old job.

522
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: Both have athletic builds.

523
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: It's a different guy. Could be a copycat, could be

524
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: a fan. I think we have a picture of Jeffrey.

525
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: There's an arrest picture. Yeah, oh, that'sund a good picture.

526
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: Well I disagree. First of all, you're going to go

527
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: to Italy, they all look like this. He does look

528
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: like an Italian.

529
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: He looks like a real Yeah, a mama me. Yeah, okay,

530
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: So how do we get from this to Channing Tatum

531
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: is my question?

532
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Well, later on he will say when he is told

533
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: that they're making this movie and they tell him they

534
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: cast Channing Tatum, he said, you need to get someone

535
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: out of here.

536
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: He's got a Jason Biggs.

537
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Is that what his name is?

538
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 2: Oh?

539
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, from Jason Biggs. But also, who's the guy? I

540
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: actually went to see this guy live when he was

541
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: in the Lena Dunham movie a couple of years ago. Molly,

542
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: who's the guy? John Berenthal? Yeah, John Burnhal. Totally wish

543
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: I could have pulled that name. That was good. Yeah, yeah, okay,

544
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Jeffrey does not go quietly and just

545
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: serve his prison time. In January of two thousand and four,

546
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: which is four years into a sentence, he escapes prison

547
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: total parkour, but he does a kind of reverse. He

548
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: clings to the undercarriage of a delivery truck until it

549
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: gets outside the gates. Man, they should have given him

550
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: that one.

551
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

552
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like, well, yeah, dude, we should have caught that.

553
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: If you're gonna Indiana Jones, this thing very few people

554
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: can do.

555
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: They're bad, So I couldn't do it. Yeah, like Finder's keepers,

556
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: I guess.

557
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: So somehow he's able to hang on underneath the goddamn

558
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: truck until it gets far enough away. My god, then

559
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: he lets go. I assume he rolls off into a dish,

560
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: stands up, dests himself off, cracks his own neck, and

561
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: then he waves down the next car and they pick

562
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: him up.

563
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: Don't they have those signs that are like don't pick

564
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: up hitchhikers?

565
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: Is what I'm sason right there, y'all. And on top

566
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: of which, the driver turns out to be an employee

567
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: of the prison.

568
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: Frienda for real need to not and is he wearing

569
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: my prison fucking he must go.

570
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: I can't imagine he must have planned ahead enough, because right,

571
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: I think that would be a huge give unless just

572
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: gotten cities on as I would call it. Right, Yeah,

573
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: somehow I wish I knew he worked in the laundry.

574
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: I borrowed some clothes, told the warden that he had

575
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: a wonderful way of pressing jackets.

576
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: He said, you're wearing that wrong. Let me show you

577
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: how to wear that correctly.

578
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: Girl, give me that and sit down.

579
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: And then the warden was like, I'm gonna let you

580
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: keep it because it looks so good on you.

581
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: You know what's so pretty in that jacket? You keep

582
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: keep it? And then cut too that same warden being like,

583
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: get in this car. Would that be amazing if it

584
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: was all the one super stupid employee. Yeah, that was

585
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: my thing, And I wrote in all caps, in what

586
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: world are hitchhikers outside of a prison? Given the benefit

587
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: of the doubt, and then dot dot dot buy a

588
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: prison employee. Truly, maybe this was a situation that then

589
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: brought us to the signs. Yeah, maybe they had to

590
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: put up signs that say, hey, you're driving by a prison.

591
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: Hitchhikers would be a bad direction to take. Hey, you

592
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: put two and two together if you don't mind. But

593
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: the answer is no. So he then from the gas station,

594
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: finds another ride, hitches about fifty miles down the highway

595
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: to Charlotte, North Carolina, and then he sees a Toys

596
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: r US store, the one I was talking about in

597
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: the beginning, got it? He sees that in a distance

598
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: and he starts to.

599
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Get Okay, we're back to the beginning.

600
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: We've come back. Yes, The roofman knows that any big

601
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: box store is going to have plenty of nooks and

602
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: crannies for him to hide in, so he stakes out

603
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: the building. He goes during normal business hours and walks around.

604
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: He spots a small opening behind a store display, and

605
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: he's like, this is it. This is my big chance.

606
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Zoop's right in and waits until the store closes, and

607
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: then zoops back out. Kind of brilliant. And also I

608
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: don't like the fact that he has an athletic build,

609
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: but he's he's shimming in and out of things that

610
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 1: are very small. He's shimming. He's what was he doing

611
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: earlier couring.

612
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: Parcorn but also zooping? But then what was the other

613
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: one where he was not whistling and being whatever. Never darting, darting, darting. Yeah,

614
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: he's he's got a lot of speeds. Yeah, and they're

615
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: all effective.

616
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: Yah.

617
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: It is my nightmare to be like, hey, can you

618
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: get behind that display really quick and be like I

619
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: won't be able to. I won't be able to. Don't

620
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: make me go back there. He does it. Then when

621
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: he comes out when the store is closed. This is

622
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: all twelve year old fantasies, which it seemed like he

623
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: was living in every way. He raids the candy aisle.

624
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, he raids the baby food aisle. That makes

625
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: sense because he needs some protein. He needs the protein

626
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: he needs and it's like, oh, I love apricots, all

627
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: blended up, so organic. It's so smart. Then he starts

628
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: shooting nerf basketballs into basketball hoops. He watches DVD's. He

629
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: can watch any DVD he wants. They have them all.

630
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: He plays video games. He drives remote control cars, and

631
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: he in his version of the story, he's doing it

632
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: for exercise. He cruises around on the children's bikes and

633
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: that's how they see the tire marks in the morning

634
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: when the employ come in. But then it's more diabolical

635
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: than just a man playing with toys. He actually figures

636
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: out how to turn off certain security cameras and how

637
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: to access the software that manages the staff schedules. He

638
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: starts to pick and choose who shows up for work

639
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: when based on his convenience or he's like, well, I

640
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: want to ride my bag till seven am, so Maureene's

641
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: not coming in till late. Oh my god. Type of

642
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: thing is how I imagined it. Poor Maureene. She's like,

643
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: I just need to manage this fucking toys rs. He

644
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: then rigs a bunch of baby monitors to make his

645
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: own little security system. Dude, so he's able to with

646
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: these baby monitors keep tabs on every corner of this

647
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: store while he's eating baby food in a nook.

648
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but he would win Traders so fucking hard.

649
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: Like he would win Traders or what's the one where

650
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: they all live on an island?

651
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Love island?

652
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, not the survivor the one when.

653
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: They survived, not love Survivor. He'd win, yes, because he's

654
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: going to figure out a way let's make this happen.

655
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Come on, okay, So he lives like this for a

656
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: while but then he somehow discovers the Toys Rs shares

657
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: a wall with the closed Circuit City next door. Fuck,

658
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: and then he discovers there's the reporting is unclear. It's

659
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: either a doorway or a tunnel that's connecting the two stores. Right,

660
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: So he basically makes his second living area for himself

661
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: over in the abandoned Circuit City in the combinations Circuit

662
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: City Toys Rs. It's abandoned. It's closed. Oh closed, okay,

663
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: got it. Abandoned would be weird for Circuit City. It's

664
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: just not away, just run. Yeah. And actually in two

665
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: thousand and four, I think it'd be really creepy to

666
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: have seen a closed Circuit City.

667
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like give us three years, yeah, and we'll

668
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: close everything.

669
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: That's why when the bed bathroom beyond on Ventura closed,

670
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: it truly I'd stayed in for the day because I

671
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: was like, is not good?

672
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, not good?

673
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: No, so scary? Yeah all the bed bathroom beyonds yeah okay.

674
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: So over at Circuit City stairwell headquarters, Jeffrey is now

675
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: upgraded from the old pool float to a children's mattress

676
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: that he brought over from Toys Rs, along with another

677
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: set of Spider Man sheets a bunch of a sort.

678
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: So telling that that's what he picks us his sheets. Yes,

679
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: he can just grab a pair of sheets.

680
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: No, he shopped, and he also had the poster of

681
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Spider Man two. He's got a complex. There's some I mean,

682
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: it would be really fun to live in a toy store.

683
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: We've agreed that in third grade. There's also Yoda figurines,

684
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: different ones, and of course a stack of DVDs, among

685
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: them Spider Man two. So a couple more months pass

686
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: and his little setup leads him to get over confident

687
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: about his ability to evade detection. He starts going out

688
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: in public during the day, not playing it cool, so

689
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: he literally talks to anyone and everyone he comes across,

690
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: introducing himself as John Zorn. He claims to work in

691
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: a secretive capacity for the government.

692
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: Which is what you tell everyone when you're working in

693
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: the secretive capacity for the government.

694
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, but you lead with it. Yeah you

695
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: can say that, but then you just can't say what

696
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: it is. I'm going to start a conversation by telling

697
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: you I can't talk during this talk about this. Yeah,

698
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: very normal. So a Charlotte police captain tells reporters. Quote,

699
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: if you draw a donut around that circuit city, I

700
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: bet he talked to everyone within a mile. So here's

701
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: the other thing. It's like, you can go in and

702
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: ride your bikes and meet your candy all you want,

703
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: but if you're alone, you're going to get busted. Yeah

704
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: you can have all of it, and if you're alone

705
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: you'll go crazy. Yeah. Yeah, you need some people, You

706
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: need some interaction. Totally. I'm saying this to myself. Leave

707
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: the house, Karen. So he joins a gym. Okay, he

708
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: doesn't just talk to people. He joins a gym. He

709
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: goes to the dentist. Please think that was because of

710
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: all the candy and the baby food. Oh no, you

711
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: can keep himself cavities. He also starts attending service at

712
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: the local Presbyterian church, developing a close relationship with his

713
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: new pastor and other prisoners, and in fact, he starts

714
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: dating one of those prisoners, a woman named Lee. She

715
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: later describes him as quote, funny, romantic, the most sensitive

716
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: man I've ever met, guy that every girl would want.

717
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: Okay, except he lives in a Toys r Us.

718
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: And Spider Man fucking villain.

719
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: Villain.

720
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: He believes himself to be Spider Man too. It's me

721
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: that's real Spider Man. I'm Spider Man two.

722
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: That's right.

723
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: It's a sad lens through which all women look at

724
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: everything now where it's just like, truly, what do you

725
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: some burglar that drops through the roof? Fine, the better

726
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: you seem, the more you're like a burglar. You don't

727
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: tell women to smile? Fine, we can date. Great, take

728
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: me to Circuit City. Okay, So Jeffrey goes out every

729
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: day and really carpets the DM I wrote that, Yeah,

730
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: it's funny. Embarrassed at night, he quietly returns to his

731
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: lair like the Phantom of the Toys arrests dash Circuit

732
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: City in half a Spider Man mask. So it's been

733
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: six months now since he's broken out of prison or

734
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: escaped from as a fugitive. It's very hard for him

735
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: to actually make money, and he has things to pay.

736
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: He has his teeth to pay for, he has the

737
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: gym to pay for. He has his girlfriend Lee, who

738
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: he's literally falling in love with, to pay for. I

739
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: can't imagine.

740
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: Part of that is his alimony that he's paying for

741
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: and the child support that is probably needed.

742
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 3: Yes.

743
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: Bye, very badly wife. Yes, while he's fucking around riding bikes, right, dating,

744
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: that's such a great point. Maybe there is a real

745
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: mental breakdown that was like, I will get away from

746
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: everything and start.

747
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: All over again.

748
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: Be a child. Yeah, a child who can repel off

749
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: of walls. So as these costs are adding up, he's

750
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: realizing I need money. So he returns to his passion robbery,

751
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: and on December twenty six, two thousand and four, one

752
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: of the busiest shopping days of the year, day after Christmas,

753
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: when he knows the registers will be filled with cash,

754
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: he hits the Toys Rs that he has actually been

755
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: hiding out next to He's living in the Circuit City,

756
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: but still doing fun stuff at the Toys r Us.

757
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: He robs that Toysrus his vacation home.

758
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's so so you rob the Toys r Us.

759
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: The cops come. We don't know how much he actually stole.

760
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: Cops come and then thoroughly search the Toys r Us

761
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: and then of course find the connection to the Circuit City. Yeah,

762
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: they find all of it. They find the stairwell living area,

763
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: they take fingerprints there, and then those fingerprints trace right

764
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: back to our own Jeffrey Manchester, who's the fugitive got

765
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: it and the roofman. So they circulate Jeffrey's mugshot on

766
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: the news and in newspapers, and it spooks him. He

767
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: goes to the dentist's office and sets it on fire.

768
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: What that's not the next step I was assuming. Yeah,

769
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: he'll keep you guessing. He's a true paratrooper that way.

770
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: The police theorized he was trying to destroy any record

771
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: of John Zorn existing. But the dentist's office does not

772
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: burn down. They rarely do. They can't. It's all like porcelain, Yeah,

773
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: cement and pain. But now pershoners are coming forward from

774
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: his new church. I always not going to do that, man,

775
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: And they are such fucking narcs. Well we know John

776
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: John he's in conquered California, and I'm giving him that accent.

777
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: When police talk to his girlfriend Lee, she is a

778
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: poor shell shocked, but agrees to help lure him out

779
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: of hiding by asking him to hang out all right,

780
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: she may, yeah, like you told me that you were

781
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: a children's baby food salesman. That's why your breath always

782
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: smelled like babyfood. Children's babyfood salesmen children's baby food. Well,

783
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: I bet there is adult baby food. I'm sure there

784
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: are saying there's adult diverse. Yeah, yes, put that away

785
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: for now. So on January fifth, two thousand and five,

786
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Jeffrey shows up at Lee's apartment with a bouquet of flowers.

787
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: He is promptly arrested by police. Yeah that and also

788
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: sadder still it all happens on Lee's fortieth birthday.

789
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: Totally Lee, she needs to listen to me. Is just

790
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: gonna get better.

791
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: This episode is dedicated to you, Lee. She's like, ladies,

792
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: it's twenty years from now doing fun. Jeffrey Manchester is

793
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: incarcerated in Raleigh, North Carolina. As far as we know,

794
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: he is still in jail there to the day of

795
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: this podcast recording. Okay, he isn't set to be released

796
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: until twenty thirty six, when he is sixty five years old.

797
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Oh man Yeah. Reporter Katie Dowd notes the irony here.

798
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: Even though Jeffrey is California born and raised, this means

799
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: he'll have quote accidentally spent over half his life in

800
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Wow, it's a beautiful place, Ashville. Have you

801
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: seen it, Charlotte? Gorgeous? Yes, very gorgeous and very close

802
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: to Pigeonforge, Tennessee, where Dollywood is. Oh, that's why he

803
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: went there. Probably he's like, I'm getting there, but for

804
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: some toys. Of course, he has been given the full

805
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: care of treatment over the years because of the kind

806
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: of wackiness of his crimes. And then I told you

807
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: the story about him telling the director of that movie

808
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: that Channing Tatum is in from Last Years. His name

809
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: is Derek Cea in France, and he says that you

810
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: need to cast sole one uglier. But he says, then

811
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: he started talking to Channing and he was like, you know,

812
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: Channing and I have a lot in common. We both

813
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: have a very high motor, we both played defensive end,

814
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: and we're both extremely good looking. So maybe this guy

815
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: contains every possible multitude. Truly, there can be so many people,

816
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: of course, point out the very important fact that Jeffrey's

817
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: crimes were not victimless politeness aside. He traumatized innocent people

818
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: showing up with guns at their work when they're just

819
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: trying to close or open.

820
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: This podcast has actually taught me that from commons, we've

821
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: gotten way in the past of like don't what's the

822
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: word when you idealize, idealize this even though nobody you know,

823
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: was hurt. That's a fucking lasting wound to be held

824
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: up at gunpoint.

825
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: So oh absolutely.

826
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: You know.

827
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: I remember when we had like four guys shoplifted at

828
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: the same time and ran out and pushed our security

829
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: guard up against the wall as they ran out.

830
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

831
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: And there's nothing directly threatening or violent about it at all.

832
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,959
Speaker 1: They just grab bags and ran and it still was Yeah,

833
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: we were all for days like freaked out. So yes,

834
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: introducing the idea that I could die over like gap

835
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: jeans insane. Yeah, especially at a toy store.

836
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: Where everyone's having fun.

837
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: Except the guy in the Jeffrey costume. Oh, I didn't

838
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: even think about that. Jeffrey the Roofman has the same

839
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: name as the giraffe from toys and get into that costume.

840
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: Okay, what if he had hidden in plain sight in

841
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: that costume?

842
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: Hi, and he's just pickpocketing but children stop giving children wallets?

843
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's Karen's platforms.

844
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm so sick of it. Oh say, we don't know,

845
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: and we maybe can't know if Jeffrey has learned his

846
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: lesson from any of this. It's been reported he's tried

847
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: to break out of prison two more times since being

848
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: rearrested in two thousand and four, though he attempted an

849
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: escape in two thousand and nine and again in twenty seventeen.

850
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: So there may come a day when we have to

851
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: give an update to the Roofman saga. But until that time,

852
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: that's the story of the roof Man Jeffrey Manchester.

853
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: Wow, this is part of the segment we should call

854
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: we Don't Need Another Hero, where we just tell the

855
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: story of some fucking dude does all these things.

856
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be terrible and we don't have

857
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: to love him. Yeah, but Channing Tatum has to play him.

858
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: But Tatum has to play every dude we talk about

859
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: from here from here on out, including Paul Giamani. Oh,

860
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: it's perfect, credible. That was great for your best day.

861
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, and everyone crossed my mind to do that one.

862
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: I that's yeah. Wow, I had no idea.

863
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: And I will say this, I did it without watching

864
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: the Channing Tatum movie because sometimes and I'm like just

865
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: retelling the movie.

866
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta say I made the stop playing it

867
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: because of that whole you're holding people up at gunpoint

868
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: and We're making this guy this fucking hot. You know,

869
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 2: he's hot and great, hot and great and just down

870
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: on his luck. And it's like, well, well, well so

871
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: I made him turn it off. I'm sure I'm so

872
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: much fun to be married too.

873
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: Well, listen, there's other things to watch, truly, he doesn't

874
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: give a shit. You watched it alone by Yeah, that

875
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: was great, thank you. Do you want to do one?

876
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: I'll do one.

877
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: I have a fun special birthday one. Yay, it's my birthday.

878
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 2: I can do what I want to go shorty, let's

879
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: do this.

880
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: Yekay.

881
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: It's early twenty sixteen.

882
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: Sorry zips mm.

883
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: Think he's out terlie twenty sixteen? Yes, or in New

884
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: York City? Yeah, Manhattan?

885
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: Oh the main one.

886
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: A Vanity Fair photo editor in her mid twenties named

887
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: Rachel Williams is out at a small basement club on

888
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: the Lower East Side.

889
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: It's called Happy Ending. Oh, okay, casual clever.

890
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

891
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: She's with a group of young people.

892
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: They're all kind of adjacent to the fashion industry, you know,

893
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 2: friends kind to go out.

894
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: After work with. In New York City, you're Koch friends. Yeah, exactly,

895
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: that you never speak to after that's right. You get

896
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: a good job. You said it all right.

897
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: When a girl about her age materializes at their table,

898
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: and with her is the wait staff bring in along

899
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: bottle service, so an immediate.

900
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Wow, who's she? Yes, who's that girl?

901
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: Rachel has seen this girl a distance before, they go

902
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: to the same parties, they run in the same circles.

903
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: She's seen her on Instagram.

904
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: This girl woman speaks with a vague European accent, and

905
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: Rachel gets the sense that she's some kind of heiress

906
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: that Rachel will soon find out she's not. And more

907
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: than that, Rachel's taken on a wild ride along with

908
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: several major financial institutions and New York luxury hotels. This

909
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: is the story of scam artist Anna Delvy.

910
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: Can I just tell you always? The reason I'm so

911
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: excited about this is because I heard about that happening,

912
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: But I've never read an article. You didn't watch the title.

913
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: I tried to watch the beginning and whatever was going on.

914
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: This has been this story of me and entertainment for

915
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: the past five years. It has to turn my brain

916
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: off entirely or I can't get involved with the accent.

917
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: Bother you. I felt like I'd already missed the train.

918
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: So it's it seemed like a thing that everyone already

919
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: knew what the story was, and I was like, huh,

920
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: and I hate that feeling. So then I just go

921
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: I'll revisit this later. That day is today? Yeah, I'm

922
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna tell you everything. Okay, good, okay.

923
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: The main sources for this story are a article in

924
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: New York Magazine and a vanity fair.

925
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why I want to do that. Georgia

926
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: loves these flowers.

927
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: The rest of the sources can be found in the

928
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: show notes.

929
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: Good. So, I'm so glad you don't know about this?

930
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: Do you mind if I have a hot flash?

931
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: Really?

932
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: Group before I first? How's your turn?

933
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: Jesus?

934
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep it in. It's real.

935
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: So, shortly after that fateful night at Happy Ending, Rachel

936
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: goes out to dinner with this chick Anna and a

937
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: group of other people. They go to a steakhouse in

938
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: the financial district called Harry's. It's real high end, and

939
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: so in this biopic called Inventing Anna, Anna is played

940
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: by Julia Garner from.

941
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: What was that amazing show she was on? That was?

942
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: She's so good at Ozark? Oh, yes, Ozark. She's such

943
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: a terrific actress. The accent in it is annoying, but

944
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: it's real, so she's not bad at it. She's accurately portraying. Yes,

945
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: this woman's accent well.

946
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: And also, I guess I'll say this, it wasn't about

947
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: the acting. For me, it was the idea that I

948
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: had to go into a world with this person who

949
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: in real life, if I was around that person, I

950
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: would immediately confront and insult and then despise. Have a

951
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: problem with a scammer.

952
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: Right, And that's what's so hard to like wrap your

953
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: head around these kinds of stories, is you're like, you

954
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: don't really feel bad for the victim in it because

955
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: you're like, how did you not know?

956
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: So we'll get into that, which we love to do.

957
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: That's kind of I think most people who follow true crime,

958
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: you're always like, oh, I'm the wise person, right.

959
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: That could never happen to me. But here's the thing,

960
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: maybe you just don't know yet. The scammers are so

961
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: good and you're so dumb that you haven't figured out

962
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: what these scammers are in your life.

963
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm sure there's got to be one.

964
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: There's absolutely months this hasn't been recording the whole time.

965
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: It's just slowly, but truly, money is falling out of

966
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: my purse for some reason. Insult Fay company. This hasn't

967
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: been recording. The scam is that we've never recorded a podcast.

968
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: It's you've somehow tricked me into all of this. That's right, Okay, Well,

969
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: what are you going to get out of that? Well?

970
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: Over oysters and espresso, Martini's your favorite. Yeah.

971
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: Rachel learns that Anna had first come to New York

972
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: to intern for the French fashion magazine Purple, after having

973
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: worked in their Paris office, but she quit and now

974
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: she's focusing on creating the Anna Delvey Foundation, which she

975
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: describes as a quote dynamic visual arts center dedicated to

976
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: contemporary art end quote. So she has these big dreams

977
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: of opening this.

978
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: It's a young person who dreams of opening her own museum.

979
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: Art gallery, museum slash soho house like members only club

980
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: for riches, fuck people.

981
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: We sure.

982
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: She often all uds to having significant family money, which

983
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: would generally track for someone in their early twenties who's

984
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: an intern at a fashion magazine.

985
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: It's not something that you just do for fun. You

986
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: don't wait tables and then switch over to that.

987
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: But while the name the Anna Delvey Foundation, suggests that

988
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: she's trying to establish some sort of nonprofit. It actually

989
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: is looking more like she's trying to start a social club.

990
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: Over the course of that winter twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen,

991
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: Anna and Rachel hang out a lot, sometimes in groups

992
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: and sometimes one on one. They get really close, really fast,

993
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: which is always, you know, a red flag, but that's

994
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: what girls do in their twenties and thirties, Like you

995
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: bond forties and fifties.

996
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: You like bond quickly, especially if you have like those

997
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: similar interests, right, similar, Like I've seen you at other clubs, okay.

998
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: That kind of know you all the time, or I'm

999
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: alone in this big city and it's kind of scary

1000
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: and isn't this.

1001
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: So exciting and cool? Yeah? Yeah.

1002
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 2: In Vanity Fair, Rachel says about Anna, quote, Anna was

1003
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: a character. Her default setting was haughty, but she didn't

1004
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: take herself too seriously. She was quirky and erratic. She

1005
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: acted with the entitlement and impulsivity of a once spoiled,

1006
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: seldom disciplined child, So her personality fit this thing. She

1007
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: was selling that she was an heiress and came for money, so.

1008
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: Kind of like, if you're just willing to act like

1009
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: an asshole, people will believe you are rich or used

1010
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: to be rich one hundred percent.

1011
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: Rachel has seen Anna around for a while, but what

1012
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: she doesn't know is that other friends Anna has made

1013
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: in the past couple of years have quietly distanced themselves

1014
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: from her, So there's kind of like rumors going on.

1015
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: A year or two earlier, Anna had struck up a

1016
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: friendship with a UPenn student socialite and art collector named

1017
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: Michael Soufu Wong, and Anna had suggested that they go

1018
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: together to the Venice biennally.

1019
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: What the fuck is that? Oh? That Bianali Well, you

1020
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: better learn to say it because it's in Is it

1021
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: like the Biannual? It sounds like something. That's it. It's

1022
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: a festival.

1023
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, But so she asked that he booked the flights

1024
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: in hotel and his credit card because she had some

1025
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: minor rations with her bank, and so he did. They

1026
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: go on the trip, and Michael notices that Anna pays

1027
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: for everything in cash, and then when they get home

1028
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: it seems like Anna forgets to pay him back and

1029
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: kind of ghosts him a little on that. But Michael's

1030
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: family is actually extremely wealthy and the amount in question

1031
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: is quote only three thousand dollars, which to Michael is

1032
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: not a lot of money, so he kind of just.

1033
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: Forgets about it. Must like nice.

1034
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, she's flaky. I don't want to like

1035
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: chase her for three grand.

1036
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: It's all I wanted is to find a person like that.

1037
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: In my twenties, I was always just like, where are

1038
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: the high rollers that I'm like, I will be the

1039
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: personality member, sixth member at the table. I'll just bring this,

1040
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: let's spend your money. I'll gesture it up. Yeah, I'll

1041
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: keep it cracking.

1042
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: Here can be weird and walk away in the middle

1043
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: of a conversation. I don't care because you're rich and

1044
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: you do that pay for me. So that's kind of

1045
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: what happens to Rachel. Anna is vague about her background,

1046
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: but she explains to Rachel that she's originally from Germany

1047
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: and she doesn't have a permanent residence in New York

1048
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: because she isn't able to day long periods of time,

1049
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: so she stays at hotels, nice hotels.

1050
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: Because there's so many Bionali's she has to go to

1051
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: exactly okay.

1052
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: In February twenty seventeen, Anna checks into a boutique luxury

1053
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: hotel in Soho called eleven Howard, where you'd love to stay.

1054
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: I go there sometimes seasonally.

1055
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: And what's super fancy about this hotel eleven Howard is

1056
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: that it's celebrated an eye wateringly expensive French restaurant on

1057
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 2: the ground floor called lit Cuckoo.

1058
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to lit Cuckoo? Now? Get you

1059
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: that right? I don't know. Let's do it. Why didn't

1060
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: you go? Absolutely? Can we look at their menu really quick?

1061
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't do this before. It's

1062
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: just basic research. I think everyone knows this. But Georgia

1063
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: is a foodie. Yeah, she's obsessed with going to restaurants.

1064
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: She's obsessed with looking at the menu.

1065
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: I am, okay, guess how let's see they'll probably have

1066
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: front onion soup. So let's guess how much it is?

1067
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: Twenty nine dollars. Okay, that's not eye wateringly expensive, but it.

1068
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: Is suits for soup soup.

1069
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

1070
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: Hold on. There're lots of tiny food menus lunch, dinner,

1071
00:50:59,239 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: thirty two.

1072
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: I can't read any of this. It's all in French.

1073
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: Hold on, I took French one and two, so hand

1074
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: me the phone. I refuse.

1075
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: Oh they're still fans that they don't even have French

1076
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: onion soup?

1077
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: What what do they have? Let's see, let me just

1078
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: like diamond soup.

1079
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: So the tartar is ninety eight dollars.

1080
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: Whoa, that's an appetizer. Yeah.

1081
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: The asparagus girrelled asparagus is twenty eight dollars.

1082
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: Does it have salt and pepperona? It has crab? Oh it does? Yeah?

1083
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: Oh and then let's just go here. This is actually

1084
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: a bargain they must have. I don't know what any

1085
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: of this is.

1086
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: Well, apologies, can I just see it from one second?

1087
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: So French full on French.

1088
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: Invite us loukuku, please wear believers. We'll record from your restaurant.

1089
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: We'll edit out all those prices.

1090
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: They go there a lot, and guests of Howard like

1091
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: Anna can charge their meals to the room. So it's

1092
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: kind of a winning winter dream life. So Anna quickly

1093
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: becomes known around the hotel for being a very generous tipper.

1094
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: Anytime anyone does anything for her, they're gonna get a

1095
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 2: hundred bucks.

1096
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and she seems to tartars. No, it's not,

1097
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: it's one that's just one.

1098
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: Whenever a package arrives for Anna, and it seems like

1099
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: she does a lot of online shopping, the staff fight

1100
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: over who gets to take it up to her room

1101
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: because they're gonna get a fucking hundred bucks and it does something.

1102
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: She's a really good tipper and really generous with like

1103
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 2: the regular workers, not management.

1104
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: They love her. Yeah.

1105
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: Anna quickly develops another intense friendship with the hotel's concierge,

1106
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: a twenty five year old filmmaker named Nefatari Davis who

1107
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: everyone calls Nef and she's played by Alexis Floyd in

1108
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: the biopic. So Anna starts doing the same thing, taking

1109
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: Nef out to fancy dinners, sometimes one on one, sometimes

1110
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: in groups, always paying, being like I'm going to pay

1111
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: for everything. And Anna sometimes seems to rally groups of

1112
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: investors and actual celebrities for dinner, like she does enough

1113
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: little things to seem legit to everyone, and they often

1114
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: go to lekuk who for dinner.

1115
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: Oh that's their spot.

1116
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And on one occasion, Nat is seated directly next

1117
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: to McCauley culkin, So she's like, this woman has to

1118
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: be legit. This is a whole world. I don't know,

1119
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: it's exciting. You have to think of it from terms

1120
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: of like if you were in your twenties again, you

1121
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: can barely pay rent. This woman comes along and starts

1122
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: taking you to fancy dinners, you know, paying for things,

1123
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: and it's just exciting.

1124
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: Yes, And it's like a more adult version of being

1125
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: a scenester, right, because when you're younger, you do go

1126
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: to clubs and bars or whatever. Yeah. But then yeah,

1127
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: as you get older, if you have the money, there's

1128
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: other worlds available, right, like beautiful foods. And then why

1129
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: would these women question her be like this isn't real,

1130
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: but like he's paying for that beef tartar.

1131
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: Exactly sitting next to mccaullay McCauley's in on the scam.

1132
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: No, he's not just kidding. He was just sitting at

1133
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: the restaurant one time. Yeah.

1134
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: In the Vanity Fair article, it says, quote, the world

1135
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,959
Speaker 2: was charmed when she was around. The normal rules didn't

1136
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: seem to apply. Her lifestyle was full of convenience and

1137
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 2: it's easy. Materialism was seductive.

1138
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I do credit the kind of

1139
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: personalities that can actually keep that whole scam train moving forward,

1140
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: Like the energy and the kind of the real charisma

1141
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: it takes to do that is valid. It's you're dazzling.

1142
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1143
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: One day, Anna asked nef to come along with her

1144
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: for a session with the celebrity personal trainer and life

1145
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: coach one in one named Casey Duke, who's played by

1146
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: Laverne Coxe.

1147
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: She's so great.

1148
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: At the end of the session, Anna buys a package

1149
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: of you know, coach training sessions and pays forty five

1150
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 2: hundred dollars in cash. So some money is there and

1151
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: they're seeing it.

1152
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: So it's believable, Yes, except for that no one pays

1153
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: anything in cash for thousands and thousands of dollars where

1154
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: it's like was so did it take a while for

1155
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: her to count out twenties or does she carry around

1156
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars bills exactly? Or just like pays in

1157
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: beef tartar from her pan pounds do you want five pounds?

1158
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: That's her, got my birken full of tart full of

1159
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: raw meat to trade and barter at.

1160
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 3: Well.

1161
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: So Nephty's Anna all the time on calls and taking meetings.

1162
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: With finance types.

1163
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: She's fucking busy, and you know she's a business lady

1164
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: Anna has told Neph that she's fundraising to open that

1165
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: art focused social club, and she implies that she may

1166
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: be buying the property from the eleven Howard owner, a

1167
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: New York real estate mogul named Abby Rosen, and that's

1168
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: why she's staying there, and like it's that's why it's

1169
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: kind of being comped, and she knows that I know

1170
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: the owner.

1171
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: What you say, sure, but there are red flags.

1172
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: One night, Nef and Anna go out to dinner and

1173
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 2: Anna's credit card is declined. In fact, all of Anna's

1174
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: credit cards are declined. Have you ever had a credit

1175
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: card declined?

1176
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: This just happened to me. What we went to smokehouse.

1177
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: We were going to go to a party. So Alison

1178
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: and I went to jar first. Oh it's that beautiful

1179
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: steakhouse on Beverly.

1180
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1181
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I had just lost my wallet that day.

1182
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: So I went into my junk drawer and I there's

1183
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: like a divider in there, and one of the seconds

1184
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: is all credit cards. Yeah, old and new, but but

1185
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: this fucking credit card thing. I just went in and

1186
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: grabbed four credit cards because I was like, one of

1187
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: these has to not be canceled or one of these

1188
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: has to not be whatever, right, And so when it

1189
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: came time to pay the bill, I gave the first

1190
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: one and the guy came back. Heause, I'm really sorry.

1191
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: I go, no, no, no, that's okay. Here, this one

1192
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: will work. And then he comes back he goes, I'm

1193
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: really sorry this was and then I go, okay, I

1194
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: swear to God this one. And I gave him the

1195
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: third one. And then he walks the machine out and

1196
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: he goes, maybe there's something wrong with the machine. And

1197
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: then I had to tell him this story. I was like,

1198
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. It sounds like bullshit. It sounds And

1199
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: also as he's walking back out, Alison looks at me

1200
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: and goes, we're going to prison.

1201
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so imagine that was happening, right, and

1202
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: it's legit. And then you said, Alison, can you just

1203
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: put it on your card and I'll get you back

1204
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: by the morning.

1205
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: You'll have it in your account.

1206
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: Yes, And she knows you like you guys are good friends,

1207
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 2: and so she'll do it.

1208
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: Yes. And the restaurant where she's talking about and Delvey's

1209
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: bringing people to that's probably too.

1210
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: Grand right, right, Okay, so yes, so crazy Bill, Well

1211
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: wait about it now, pall. You never passed to foot

1212
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: the bill, which comes to around three hundred and fifty dollars.

1213
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: But nep is a concierge at a boutique hotel in

1214
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: New York City where everything is a million dollars. She

1215
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 2: does not, and I remember this, like that was half

1216
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: my rent.

1217
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: I did not. I went on a date once and

1218
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: he said, let's split the bill.

1219
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: He invited me, he ordered everything, he picked the restaurant.

1220
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: He definitely wanted to fuck me, and he said let's

1221
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: split the bill. And I was overdrawn because of that,

1222
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: because of the like sixty dollars that I paid half of.

1223
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: And when this happens to you next time, this is

1224
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: what you do. You go, yeah, oh my god, hold

1225
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: on one, hey, Hi, high yourself out bill.

1226
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: I always flip the bill, and I am not married

1227
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: to this man to this day.

1228
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: That's how I met vince No. But especially in New

1229
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: York City, money goes so fast and you have to

1230
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: be so tactical about eating out. That was probably tails.

1231
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: The three hundred and fifty dollars that wasn't even dinner.

1232
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: So much money, so we know where her head's at.

1233
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: It is a huge deal for her.

1234
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: It makes her panic.

1235
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: But the next day Anna pays her back in triple

1236
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: in cash. Yeah, so everything's cool, right, But then nef's

1237
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: managers tell her there's a.

1238
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: Ste that reminds me I'll have to fail.

1239
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up, Are you serious?

1240
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: I got to jump on that venmo the second this records.

1241
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: And then nef's managers come forward. They say, when Anna

1242
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: had first checked in at this point more than a

1243
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: month earlier. Can you imagine staying in a hotel in

1244
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: a month? That's Banana's love it. She had never provided

1245
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: a working credit card. Instead, she had gotten the hotel

1246
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: to agree to a wire transfer in the amount of

1247
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: thirty grand, and they had extended this courtesy to her

1248
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: because she was supposedly a potential client of the hotel's owner.

1249
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: So a thirty thousand dollars wire transfer does really arrive

1250
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: from City Bank. But then Anna leaves New York to

1251
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: go to Omaha to go to Warren Buffett's.

1252
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: Annual investor summit.

1253
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: Okay, the butt just the douchebags that are circling with

1254
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: their fucking what do they have vapes and there and

1255
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: their cannabis lease vests or beef tartar.

1256
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: It's like straight out of succession. I'm sure there's a

1257
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: whole basement in the parking structure where they're just passing

1258
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: illegal beef tartar back and forth snorting. I truly, I

1259
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: keep saying it on TikTok, where people are like, we

1260
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: went to this restaurant in washing Tea with me, and

1261
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: beef tartar is always at the beginning of it, like

1262
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: suddenly everyone's cool with eating raw meat. Yeah, that's crazy observation.

1263
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: It's your birthday. I can say anything I want. That's

1264
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: my gift on your birthday. Thank you.

1265
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: So she goes to she goes to Omaha, the most

1266
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: beautiful place on the planet.

1267
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like.

1268
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: No, we've been yes, Oh it's actually really fawty.

1269
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1270
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: And while she's there, she fails repeatedly to provide a

1271
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: working credit card to the eleven Howard Hotel for the

1272
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: balance of her bill and reoccurring charges, and they put

1273
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 2: her stuff in storage and tell her that they're kicking

1274
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: her out.

1275
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: Wow, because she had.

1276
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: Never put a credit card down okay, and never paid.

1277
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: When Anna returns, can I ask a question? The wire

1278
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: transfer for thirty thousand dollars didn't cover her total expenses

1279
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: because again, she's charging all those le coucou to her room.

1280
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: Oh right, she's probably charging so much shit to her room.

1281
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: Thirty thousand for a month is not going to cover it.

1282
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: They're kicking her out.

1283
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: They put her stuff in storage.

1284
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: When Anna returns to New York, she makes all kinds

1285
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: of furious threats at the staff of a love and

1286
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: Halber like, how dare you?

1287
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: Do? You know who I am? You know my father is?

1288
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: She collects her things and drops them at the Mercer Hotel,

1289
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: another high end hotel.

1290
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: We're my favorite, really, I swear to god. We used

1291
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: to stay there for work back in the day, and

1292
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: it is the greatest. It's so lovely. It's in soho

1293
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: uh right, And they dice their eggs instead of scrambling.

1294
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: They're minced like tiny, tiny, chopped up tiny.

1295
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 3: Like coke.

1296
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: It's Karen, I think that was coke. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I love coke. You're doing coke for breakfast. I just

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Speaker 1: it was the kind of place where it was a

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Speaker 1: first job I ever had where I got to stay

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01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: at a place like that. So I was everywhere I looked.

1301
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: I was like everything, memorize this. It's not coming back.

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: This is how people live. Yes, yeah, it's very charming.

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01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: That's where I fell in love with staying in hotels

1304
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: and eating breakfast in hotels.

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01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you. So she's moving to the mercer.

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01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: Next she drops her stuff off and then embarks on

1307
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: a planned eight day trip to Morocco in early May

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01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Okay, So on this trip to Morocco are

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: Anna herself, Rachel, the friend Casey who's the trainer slash

1310
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: life coach, and also a friend of Rachel's who's a

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01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: filmmaker who will be recording the entire trip. So this

1312
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: is Anna's idea because she's thinking about making a documentary

1313
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 2: about founding her social club, and she wants to practice

1314
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: having a camera around all the time. So she's just like,

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01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: i want to take all these people to Morocco.

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01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm footing the whole bill well, knowing the end. This

1317
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: is especially bold. Yeah, where it's a mental state of

1318
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm so in this that it, yeah, that I'm believing myself.

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01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: I think that's what I think. At some point.

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Speaker 2: That's what happens is she believes it herself. She thinks

1321
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: she's not hurting anyone in her mind. She clearly is,

1322
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: but I think she's just a lulu a bit.

1323
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she seems like she's hopped up on like clout.

1324
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 2: It sounds like yeah, or ambition. Yeah, maybe she thought

1325
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: she would eventually get to that anyways, so she's just

1326
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: like living on a borrowed dime. Anna had selected the

1327
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: legendary five star resort La Mammonia, where villa's run about

1328
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: seven grand a night, and she got like the fanciest place.

1329
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: Rachel had been very upfront that she could not afford

1330
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: this trip, and Anna had made it clear that she

1331
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: would be paying. But there's already even an issue with

1332
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: Anna's credit card, so Rachel had to put the flights

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01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: before they even left on her own credit card.

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Speaker 1: And Rachel makes sixty.

1335
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: Grand a year after her little girl. Now, yeah, Anna

1336
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: says she's going to reimburse her. Rachel has no reason

1337
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: not to believe her, just like neh. For months, she's

1338
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 2: been eating at lacuq who and working out with the

1339
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: celebrity trainer, all on Anna's dime.

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Speaker 1: She thinks she's good for it. Yeah, and you don't

1341
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: want to be the buzzkill, you know, Like, Yeah, and

1342
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to cut off a potential friends connection.

1343
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be in the world of people at

1344
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: La Cuckoo, Right, Long story short.

1345
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 2: Two days into their trip to Morocco, two big security

1346
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: guards are waiting in the hotel lobby with the concierg

1347
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: for Anna. The contier explains that a hotel staff member

1348
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: has already been fired because he didn't get a credit

1349
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: card upon booking for the hotel room. She scammed, scammed him,

1350
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: she dazzled him.

1351
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: He agreed.

1352
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: The guys followed the group back to the villa while

1353
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: Anna makes phone calls since text messages like I need

1354
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: to get a hold of my father. I need to

1355
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: get a hold of my father's you know, trustees at

1356
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: the bank of the company, Like, I'll get it. This

1357
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: is going to be fine, but ultimately they leave empty handed.

1358
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: The next morning, Casey, who's the trainer who had gotten

1359
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: sick in Morocco, is like fuck this shit, and she

1360
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: goes home. The security guys come back and they refuse

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01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: to leave the room. Anna finally turns to Rachel and

1362
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: says that she needs to put down a credit card

1363
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: just for the security hold the hotel wants to put

1364
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 2: on Before Anna smooth things over with her bank. So

1365
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm dealing with this, but just to get them off

1366
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: our back and get them out of our room. Put

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: down that you hold that you always get when you

1368
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: go to a hotel room. And again Rachel is being

1369
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: told this is just for the hold and that the

1370
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: sixty grand bill will not be charged to her room.

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01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: The bill is sixty grand right now, so crazy, that's

1372
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: this is what I made it two years in my twenties.

1373
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty grand.

1374
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: This is more than Rachel's annual salary as a photo

1375
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 2: editor at Vanity Fair. The two big eyes also start

1376
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: urging her to put her card down, so finally she

1377
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: does it, knowing that she only has about four hundred

1378
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: dollars in her checking account.

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Speaker 1: God. Also, this is a time where in my life

1380
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: where they'd be like they'd touch my credit card and

1381
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: be like declined. Like the idea that people even have

1382
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: the option to do this.

1383
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so glad. All my friends were broke as fuck.

1384
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: No one was expecting anything from anyone else.

1385
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: Socco Bell everybody. Yeah, that's right. They have steak tartar

1386
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: there too. I'm not on purpose.

1387
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: We love you talk about Rachel leaves a Morocco day

1388
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: before Anna and the filmmaker friend, and when she lands,

1389
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 2: she gets a text from Anna saying she will wire

1390
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 2: her seventy grand in the next day or so.

1391
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: So that hold wasn't true.

1392
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: The whole thing went through for sixty grand on her

1393
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: fucking credit card, which she doesn't have, and Anna is like,

1394
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: I'll give you seventy grand, Like, don't worry about this.

1395
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: Back in New York, Rachel texts Anna daily and can't

1396
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: get the money. She spends the next month in a

1397
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: pure panic, texting Anna and getting deflections. Anna moves from

1398
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: hotel to hotel. Eventually, towards the end of the summer,

1399
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: she tells Rachel that she has a cashier's check for her,

1400
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: but neither the check or Anna materializes, and she's fucking

1401
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: freaking out. Rachel spends the summer digging around and dodging

1402
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: Anna's request to crash at her apartment. Anne is like

1403
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: now like old yeah. At the same time, Anna is

1404
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 2: sometimes crashing with Casey the trainer, and then she and

1405
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: Rachel try to have an intervention with Anna. In early August,

1406
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: the day before, the New York Post had run a

1407
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: story about the so called heiress who has been running

1408
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: up hotel bills all over downtown, and even with this evidence,

1409
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: Anna keeps deflecting, saying the money is there and she's

1410
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: making the same excuses. Here's a photo of Anna from

1411
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 2: the New York Post article. The next day, Rachel goes

1412
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: to the police precinct and the civil court, and then

1413
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,439
Speaker 2: finally calls in a New York Attorney General's office saying

1414
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: she believes Anna is a con artist, and they call

1415
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: her right back because they've already been investigating her. When

1416
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: it all starts to unravel, this is the story that emerges. Basically,

1417
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: she goes to City National Bank in a private investment company,

1418
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: and asks for a twenty two million dollar loan for

1419
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: her social club. She asks this other investment company for

1420
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: thirty five million, and she tells both financial institutions that

1421
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: she can secure the loans with substantial family assets that

1422
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: are held in Swiss banks. City National turns her down,

1423
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: and Fortress says they will do it if she can

1424
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: give them one hundred thousand dollars deposit while they do

1425
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: their due diligence. And she does this because she's somehow

1426
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 2: convinced City National Bank, who denied that twenty five million

1427
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: dollar loan to lend her that money.

1428
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: Halfway through the process with this.

1429
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 2: Company, Anna says she's withdrawing and she doesn't want to

1430
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: work with them anymore, and withdraws the remaining amount of

1431
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: money about fifty five grand, and so she puts that

1432
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: money into a City Bank account. That's where she wired

1433
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: the money to the eleven Howard's. So she actually had

1434
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: that thirty grand and uses the rest. She takes it

1435
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 2: all out in cash and uses it to fund her lifestyle.

1436
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't go very far. And she had also opened

1437
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: various other accounts with bad checks, so she'd like deposit

1438
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: this big check and take out as much as she

1439
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: could before it cleared or not cleared, Yeah, before it bounced.

1440
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: And that's what the money she was paying everything with. Anna,

1441
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: whose real name is Annasorican, is arrested in October of

1442
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen outside of Passages, Malibu, Oh No. Which, as

1443
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: everyone knows, is a rehab facility in Malibu for rich

1444
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: people right and their kids.

1445
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: Trying to go there.

1446
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: I think she was trying to go there. It seems

1447
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: like that's where she had been receiving treatment and which

1448
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: is such a great escape to be like what I'm saying,

1449
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: is is it the perfect cover?

1450
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: Is it it is? Who? Who can't say?

1451
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: Well, we can't her, it's all alleged. We can't say

1452
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: what her deal was. But that's what happened. Okay, and

1453
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: she's extradited to New York.

1454
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: Did you imagine you're in You're in passages trying to

1455
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: get sober. You're in group therapy talking about how mean

1456
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: your dad was tearing your fingernails off as you chew

1457
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: them down. Wait a second, what's going on? Right? I

1458
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: thought she also thought she'd meet some new marks there.

1459
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1460
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: Right, it's people that their most vulnerable.

1461
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 2: So and so's daughter who's like on drugs, and like

1462
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: they're famous and rich, and can I come stay with

1463
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: you after? Like I need we can be sober together. Yeah, brilliant,

1464
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: let's do that. Let's make a movie about that.

1465
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: Let's stop it, Let's go see who we can meet

1466
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: at rehab. Okay.

1467
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: At this point, information finally begins to trickle out about

1468
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: who Anna really is. She'd been actually born in Russia

1469
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one, and her family had moved to Germany.

1470
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: So isn't fake? Okay? Maybe she puts it on a.

1471
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 2: Little bit who knows her father has a heating and

1472
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: cooling business, And it seems like her family does have

1473
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 2: some money, but certainly nowhere.

1474
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: Near the level that people believed.

1475
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: Anna starts college in London in twenty eleven, drops out,

1476
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: moves to Berlin, works at a PR firm, then moves

1477
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 2: to Paris for the Purple Magazine internship, and then asks

1478
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: to work out of their New York office, and that's

1479
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: how she ends up in New York.

1480
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: In New York, Anna had stayed at.

1481
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: Some other hotels, crashed with new friends, and it seems

1482
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: like she was being somewhat supported by her parents, even

1483
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: though they're not wealthy, but they do enough to support

1484
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: their daughter while she builds a career. The problem is

1485
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: that living modestly had not been in Nana's plans. I

1486
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: think she just had this like these grandiose ideas.

1487
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: Also, I feel like somewhere along the way she spent

1488
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: time with a scammer herself, because you wouldn't know to

1489
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: do sarulate people that way. Ye take out loans and

1490
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: I'm going to take this money and put it over

1491
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: here and then bring it back over here.

1492
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: And I mean Shalmelsey's taking money from people I don't have.

1493
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: It is not the thing, you know, like it's gross.

1494
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: But also the idea of like papering the staff, the

1495
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: low level to face people, so that you've got these

1496
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: kind of like people allies unknowingly defending you and saying no,

1497
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: I know her. I mean that's very wily, diabolical. Even

1498
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: who did she learn this from? Yeah, that's a really

1499
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: good point.

1500
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 2: After a trip back home in Europe in twenty sixteen

1501
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 2: is when she comes back and checks into the eleven

1502
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 2: Howard and sets up this elaborate scheme, this new one

1503
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: in motion. So Rachel, her friend from Vandy Fair, writes

1504
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: her first person account of the story for Vanity Fair.

1505
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, good job girl for her at yours.

1506
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: And then Jessica Pressler remember her, she is a journalist.

1507
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: She's reported many big stories, including the one that became the.

1508
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: Basis for the movie Hustlers. Oh yeah, you know her.

1509
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she writes a big story for New York Magazine.

1510
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: That story is adapted into a Shonda Rhime series. That's

1511
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 2: what the Inventing Anna series is. In it, Jessica herself

1512
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: is played by Anna Lumpski.

1513
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is so fun.

1514
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, Anna sentenced to four to twelve years

1515
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,520
Speaker 2: in prison. And here's a photo of her at her trial.

1516
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: Legendary. I love that picture. Yeah that's me showing up

1517
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: for work where it's like, Karen, we were supposed to

1518
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: be recording fifteen minutes ago, and I'm like, can I

1519
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: just please put on some contour? Do you know what

1520
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: I bet she?

1521
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: I bet she was fun in prison. Fuck yeah, I

1522
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 2: bet she made so many fucking friends in prison.

1523
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: We'll all judge away, judge away. Here's the thing that's

1524
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: a creative, inventive mind that's got an engine behind it. Yeah,

1525
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: there was always a girl like evil. It's for evil

1526
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: that these are the girls that are like, let's go

1527
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: down to the seven to eleven. We've all grown.

1528
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 2: We pretend to have a seizure. Yeah, and you put

1529
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,480
Speaker 2: some shit in your pocket.

1530
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: Go steal the snickers. It'll be great. Now you're in

1531
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: an alley giggling your ass off and being like this

1532
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: is what life can be like.

1533
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: Or even worse. Hey, I stole some pills from my

1534
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: sick aunt. Let's do that fucking snort them, which is

1535
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 2: so fun. When that's what your twenties are for.

1536
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: It's like there's an exploratory date, Like, here's the thing.

1537
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: There's a lot when you're a young woman growing up,

1538
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: especially in America, there's a lot that you're told to

1539
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,520
Speaker 1: be afraid of. This is a person who's clearly fearless

1540
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: and then also able to put on the character of no,

1541
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm rich when she's actually not truly that

1542
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: that's incredible.

1543
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I bet she can cry in command easily, easy. Okay,

1544
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: So she's actually she goes into twenty nineteen and she's

1545
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: actually been paroled since twenty twenty one. Rachel never gets

1546
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: all of her money back from Anna. Anna does PayPal

1547
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: her five grand, which Rachel finds so odd because she says, quote,

1548
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 2: this gesture tugged at me knowing what I know, which

1549
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 2: is that she really didn't have the money. Why would

1550
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: she give me anything at all. Surely she would have

1551
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 2: paid me the full amount if she could have, right,

1552
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 2: So I think Rachel's like me, We're just like, I

1553
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: don't know if she's getting her the benefit of the

1554
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: doubt still.

1555
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: And she's trying to go I didn't get fucked over,

1556
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: get scammed. She's actually a good person. That's this whole

1557
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: Thing's miss underfold. Why did she give her that money?

1558
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's because that's the thing that keeps a

1559
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: fucking channel open good gesture, which means good faith. No,

1560
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: it fucking doesn't. That's money. And it's like, what do

1561
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: you like? Do you like money? Here, I'll push this

1562
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: towards you. What do you like? Do you need to

1563
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: be loved? Okay, well, I won't stop staring at you.

1564
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,440
Speaker 1: Like the plays are the plays, it's just different material.

1565
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: Gas Lighting is gas lighting.

1566
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: America Express does forgive the rest of Rachel's debt.

1567
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: Thank god.

1568
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: I know.

1569
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: In twenty twenties they saw the Netflix show. They're like

1570
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: Shonda Rhymes. Okay, that's fine.

1571
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 2: And they probably tweeted about it.

1572
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 3: Okay.

1573
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, Anna appears on Dancing with the Stars.

1574
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Hold up? What?

1575
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: Wearing a bedazzled ankle monitor. She got let out of prison,

1576
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 2: but she still has an ankle.

1577
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: To see that picture again?

1578
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,560
Speaker 2: Please wait, I'm sure you had the Dancing with the

1579
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 2: Star picture or her ankle monitor on Let's see it?

1580
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 3: Whats up?

1581
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,560
Speaker 2: Which so reminds me this is magic from upt the

1582
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 2: last season of Euphoria. Wearing a neck brace Thatt's be

1583
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: Dazzled is just the most fucking iconic thing I've ever seen.

1584
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: I bet it's a reference. Don't you think, Oh, maybe

1585
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: she look how cute she is? Okay, yeah she's no,

1586
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: she's yes, no she is.

1587
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: People will get upset about the fact that there's a

1588
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,839
Speaker 2: contestant with an ankle monitor.

1589
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: You shouldn't do that.

1590
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: She gets voted off the second week, so Buddha those people.

1591
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 2: She recently demonstrated to her one million plus Instagram followers

1592
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 2: how she puts tights on under said ankle monitor.

1593
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: Still like get ready with me?

1594
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, she still awares it and she does this like

1595
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 2: so her Instagram now is like glamorous and she's fucking gorgeous.

1596
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 2: She really is really beautiful.

1597
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: Now, Yes, she could be played by the Claire Danes,

1598
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: the Claire Danes, Ariano Mattox, who else. She's my girl,

1599
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: She's from vander Pump Rules. So look, she's fucking beautiful.

1600
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: She's an actress. You're tasting a reality start to play.

1601
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: She's an actress. We love her.

1602
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 2: Uh, she's just kind of like she has like her

1603
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: her whole Instagram is like scrolling. It's just like a

1604
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 2: tongue in cheek glamorous and NYC lifestyle.

1605
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: That's it is cheeky.

1606
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 2: It is a little like winkie of like fuck, yeah,

1607
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm that girl. Like the song she plays are like scammy,

1608
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 2: like she knows what people want from her, yes, and

1609
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 2: she's delivering it. She did fuck people over, for sure,

1610
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 2: so let's not forget there are victims.

1611
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: So let's not forget the feeling of like being in

1612
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: debt where Yeah, that feeling of just like pushing debt

1613
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: upon other people who said no fifteen times. Yeah, and

1614
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: now you're just fucked until you can prove in the courts. Hey,

1615
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 1: you didn't do it right. Crazy.

1616
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: According to her, she's writing a memoir and making a

1617
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: documentary chronicling her life.

1618
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: It was up to her. She wants Jennifer Lawrence to

1619
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: play her maybe. Yeah.

1620
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 2: And that is a story of Anna Delvi, the fake

1621
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 2: soho airess who was punished more severely than any of

1622
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: the men who were in the Epstein files, including the pedophiles.

1623
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: Yep, because God for a bid a young woman be

1624
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: smart and tricky.

1625
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 2: She didn't smile enough. Send her to prison.

1626
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,879
Speaker 1: She had a weird accent. We don't like her. Yeah,

1627
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: great job, thank you. What a great comprehensive way to

1628
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: learn about her. Yeah, it's a question you can never

1629
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: answer in scam stories, which is like, how did they

1630
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: get away with that for so long?

1631
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 3: Right?

1632
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: And the answer is like, you had to be there?

1633
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I think so.

1634
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 2: I definitely think I would have I would have been

1635
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 2: swept up back then.

1636
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know. Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo.

1637
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,520
Speaker 2: All right, well that was my birthday episode.

1638
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: How do you feel?

1639
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: I feel like a birthday I feel, I feel good.

1640
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: I feel Yeah, I'm like, we did it.

1641
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did.

1642
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 2: Join the fan cult if you want to see me,

1643
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 2: take you through my modeling, my childhood modeling photos.

1644
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: Georgia's Barbizon days are going to be up for your

1645
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: eyeballs to grab.

1646
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 2: In the fan call in the fan Cult video. My

1647
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: favorite murder dot Com. Thank you guys so much for listening.

1648
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: Do you have a scams story? We want to hear it.

1649
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: We love it.

1650
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: My favorite murdered Gmail. Did you ever get scammed? I'm

1651
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: sure there's listeners who got scammed, Like, here's how it happened.

1652
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: Everyone's been scammed in some way or the scammer big

1653
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: or little. Yes, if you're the scammer, and you have

1654
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: the guts if you're in a delvy level brave with

1655
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: your own scam tell us go ahead, come and admit it.

1656
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1657
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: Well, we're about to do a batch of honking horays

1658
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: and it's presented by Hyundai.

1659
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 3: Let's get into it. Let's do it.

1660
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: This one starts off strong and it's in all caps.

1661
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: It's from Kelly B who wrote in on the fan

1662
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: coult and said, I finished an entire aqua for lip

1663
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: Bomb without losing it.

1664
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 3: Never finish a.

1665
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: Lip bomb in my life, Never finished a lip bomb

1666
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: or even the lipstick I love the most.

1667
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 3: I get down that far and it disappears right.

1668
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: So Kelly bre congratulations.

1669
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 2: First person in history it was ever finished a limb.

1670
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 2: This one is check it before you wreck it on Instagram. Sure.

1671
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: While searching for something that was just for me, after

1672
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 2: raising my kids up to be self sufficient, I ended

1673
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: up joining a.

1674
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: Roller derby league.

1675
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, Well, the kids are out of the

1676
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: house at the.

1677
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 3: Age of thirty nine.

1678
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 2: Hell yes, I have found my people in a little

1679
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: bit of myself in the process. My Derney name is

1680
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 2: Shreddy Better.

1681
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 3: Have you ever been on a roller derby team?

1682
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: No? I've fallen on roller skates before, and I'm not

1683
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm still broken.

1684
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: I think the reason I thought you had been on

1685
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: a roller derby team was because of that picture you

1686
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: took during COVID with your helmet and your knave pads on. Yes,

1687
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: it was your picture that was one and done.

1688
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: I got so scared I never did it again.

1689
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: This one is from Jennifer M from the Fan Cult,

1690
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: and it says I got laid off two hundred and

1691
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: twenty seven days ago after over one hundred and twenty

1692
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,480
Speaker 1: two applications, one hundred and eight of which never responded.

1693
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 3: This is what everyone is going through these.

1694
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: Days, for second and third interviews and more tears than

1695
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: I'd like to specifically count. I finally got a wonderful job.

1696
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: I can't wait to start using my brain again. Oh

1697
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: my god, congratulations Jonathan for m hooray for you that.

1698
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: Feeling of like needing a job and then finally getting one.

1699
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 3: Morrisey wrote about it. He was right, he said literally

1700
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 3: exactly those words.

1701
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: There was a reason it's a Morrissey song legendary. Okay,

1702
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:28,839
Speaker 2: here's one from evangeltee. I planned my besties medieval themed

1703
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: bachelorette party and it went perfectly.

1704
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: Wow. So no one drank too much meat and threw

1705
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: up a turkey leg.

1706
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: Oh they did, and that's why I went perfect Oh

1707
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 2: because that was the theme. I think more weird themed

1708
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 2: bachelorette parties need to start trending.

1709
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 3: Let's pitch some now.

1710
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay, let's dolphin theme. All clowns, clown things, ax clowns,

1711
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: ax clowns, ax clowns, and the paperwork you go through

1712
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: to fill out to make a divorce happen. And then

1713
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: the final theme, hot dog. I've made me seen those

1714
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: ones before. This one's from Mira and then in parentheses

1715
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: it says like mirror but with a Boston accent.

1716
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 3: We're already getting directed in this email.

1717
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: The subject line of this one is my mom's promotion

1718
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: made History. It says, high all love the podcast and

1719
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: listening for years, love all that you do to support communities.

1720
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 3: Let's get into it.

1721
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: My heray is that after working in the FDNY, the

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Speaker 1: New York Fire Department, four years and studying her ass off,

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Speaker 1: my mom, Michelle Fitzsimmons, was promoted to deputy chief. Not

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Speaker 1: only is this a huge personal victory for her, because

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Speaker 1: she literally had to study for months for the test

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Speaker 1: and put in all the hours to be eligible. But

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Speaker 1: she is the first woman to be promoted to deputy

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Speaker 1: chief and the FDNY. With all the interviews she did

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Speaker 1: for TV and newspapers, she just kept talking about how

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Speaker 1: excited she was to show little girls that they can

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Speaker 1: do and be anything they want.

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Speaker 3: She loves her job and being a first responder.

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Speaker 1: She is the reason I always correct people when they

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Speaker 1: say fireman. It's firefighter, stay sexy and break the glass ceiling, Mira.

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Speaker 3: I want a hero mom to grow up with.

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Speaker 1: Also that mom has to deal with living in the

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Speaker 1: firehouse for three or four days of the week, which

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Speaker 1: is brave, just because of the smell.

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Speaker 3: She's a wonderful, wonderful woman.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you to Hundai for sponsoring these

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Speaker 2: honking horays.

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Speaker 1: exactly right production.

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Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 1: Our editor is Aristotle lass Vedo. This episode was mixed

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Speaker 1: by Leona Squalacci. Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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