Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for Project Hail Mary, the film,
Speaker 1: and the book.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight, and
Speaker 1: welcome back to x Revision of the podcast where we
Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, pop culture.
Speaker 1: Company from My Heart podcast, where we're bringing you three episodes.
Speaker 2: Week plus news. In today's episode, we are going to
Speaker 2: discuss Project Hail Mary, the hard sci fi epic starring
Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling. Then Jason will do a deep dive into
Speaker 2: the hit novel the film was based on written by
Speaker 2: Andy Ware, who also authored The Martian, which you will
Speaker 2: hear us talk about a lot today. I presume.
Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome in super producer Ian.
Speaker 2: Hey a, Rosie and Ian.
Speaker 1: You two have seen the film. I have not yet
Speaker 1: seen the film, but I have read the book. Have
Speaker 1: you two read the book?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So I have read the trade information on No.
Speaker 2: We can we do a little booking, A little.
Speaker 1: Booking, and why don't you let's first do a little
Speaker 1: non spoiler.
Speaker 2: How was the movie? Ian start us off? We were
Speaker 2: both losing it.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. I really loved it. It's a
Speaker 3: visually stunning, beautiful, which I'm sure we'll get into a
Speaker 3: little bit more about the nitty gritty of that. I
Speaker 3: think Gosling Ryan Gosling's performance was really great, considering especially
Speaker 3: for a large majority of the film he's like the
Speaker 3: only person on screen. Yeah, And I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of heart and like feel good kind of optimism
Speaker 3: in the movie, more than I was expecting. So I
Speaker 3: think it's just like a really like feel good fun watch,
Speaker 3: visually stunning. I love how hard they leaned into the
Speaker 3: science of it as well. So yeah, I just really
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went in like sort of not really knowing what
Speaker 2: to expect because I did read the book in the
Speaker 2: lead up, and I was like, this is a good book,
Speaker 2: but also like, what is this like on screen? Like
Speaker 2: and the Andy Wierz definitely, like The Martian is quite
Speaker 2: a singular movie, and I think this ends up being
Speaker 2: in a spiritual space with it but also being very
Speaker 2: singular in the sci fi space because of Weir's insistence
Speaker 2: on kind of balancing humor and huge steaks. I really
Speaker 2: love this, Like this definitely tops them at The Martian
Speaker 2: for me. I think what really makes the movie special
Speaker 2: is obviously Ryan Gosling. This is that star vehicle. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's had so many because he's so charming. We all
Speaker 2: know I loved The fall Guy, but it didn't hit
Speaker 2: for audiences. This is the most charming everyman Ryan Gosling
Speaker 2: performance you could imagine. But I think that it wouldn't
Speaker 2: work without the incredible casting of Sandra Hula, who's kind
Speaker 2: of his straight woman. Together, the two of them bring
Speaker 2: this unbelievably weird and beautiful and brilliant kind of heart
Speaker 2: to this completely in saying story that if you don't
Speaker 2: know much about it will really take you on a ride,
Speaker 2: I also want to say this is an incredibly vibey movie.
Speaker 2: It's definitely more of an amil piece. If you know
Speaker 2: the book and you know the way that information is
Speaker 2: revealed in the book. They try in the film to
Speaker 2: keep some of that mystery, to tell the story as
Speaker 2: we go with flashbacks, but there is not necessarily a
Speaker 2: narrative structure or format for the flashbacks in a way
Speaker 2: that there might be in other films where they want
Speaker 2: to hold your hand more. Here it's more like we
Speaker 2: just join Grace, the main character played by Rang Gosling.
Speaker 2: Whenever he goes back into a memory or learn something,
Speaker 2: we follow him. So I think for some people, and
Speaker 2: I think some of the reviews this has got it's
Speaker 2: great on our tea right now, I think it's ninety
Speaker 2: five percent, but some of them were more in the
Speaker 2: three and a half four rather than that this is
Speaker 2: a masterpiece, and a lot of the reviews that I
Speaker 2: read in that space were very much like, it kind
Speaker 2: of just flows, It's kind of just it's like you're
Speaker 2: spending time with him. It's kind of just vibe. And
Speaker 2: obviously I love that and it worked for me. But
Speaker 2: I thought that was a really interesting choice and again
Speaker 2: makes it feel more unique in the space of a
Speaker 2: Hollywood blockbuster.
Speaker 1: Shall we go into a spoiler territory? Well, first, do
Speaker 1: you recommend this movie? I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Oh, this is a top tier recommend. I would
Speaker 2: say this is like, go see it with as many
Speaker 2: people as possible, but would also work if you'll just
Speaker 2: go to your five dollars cinema and just totally vibeb out.
Speaker 2: We were lucky enough to see it in IMAX. It
Speaker 2: looked incredible, but I'm sure, any premium format or even
Speaker 2: just big screen is going to be a really incredible
Speaker 2: way to see this. And so a little bit more
Speaker 2: non spoiler that we can talk about Ian just talk
Speaker 2: a little bit quickly before we get deep into spoiler
Speaker 2: territory for those who don't want to be spoiled, talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about that stunning visual landscape that Lord
Speaker 2: and Miller create, because it is a pretty unbelievable looking movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, you know, in general, like space movies,
Speaker 3: a lot of times they they either will kind of
Speaker 3: show you the starkness of space and the emptiness and
Speaker 3: that's like kind of visually stunning, or you'll get these
Speaker 3: beautiful you know, like planet scapes and things like that,
Speaker 3: and this movie does both of those things really well.
Speaker 3: And I think also just a lot of the framing
Speaker 3: inside the ship, the.
Speaker 2: Way coloring the ships to life, the colors.
Speaker 3: The colors, just like it's visually stunning in especially seeing
Speaker 3: an imax on a giant screen in a way that
Speaker 3: I think I haven't seen in a while from a
Speaker 3: space movie, but like it gave me kind of the
Speaker 3: same feel as gravity when you're watching that movie. So
Speaker 3: I think if you like gravity, obviously, if you like
Speaker 3: The Martian, if you're just a fan of space movies
Speaker 3: in general, you're going I would highly recommend going to
Speaker 3: see this film.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's definitely very whimsical. Like I
Speaker 2: think my review for Letterbox was like, this is just
Speaker 2: a movie about two silly billies on a silly adventure.
Speaker 2: And if you don't like that review, you're probably not
Speaker 2: gonna like the movie because it has level of whimsy
Speaker 2: and schmaltz to it. But I do think that you're
Speaker 2: right to bring up gravity. Your right to bring up
Speaker 2: I was even gonna write that it was cozy two
Speaker 2: thousand and one, but I didn't want to get in
Speaker 2: a fight with a bunch of Kubrick crows. But like,
Speaker 2: it does have that level of awe that you want
Speaker 2: to go the same way that I'm sure it was
Speaker 2: the first time that people saw seventy seven Star Wars
Speaker 2: on screen for the first time, the real original version
Speaker 2: with those miniatures, like no effects, like it must have
Speaker 2: felt life changing. I remember the first time I felt
Speaker 2: watching Jurassic Park, right, this has those similar moments. There
Speaker 2: is stuff here that we have never really seen on
Speaker 2: screen before to this high level there's these kind of
Speaker 2: garcious planets, these color choices that are so unique. Some
Speaker 2: of the ships are just completely nothing like we've seen
Speaker 2: before on a kind of level of cenimal for aliens.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, even if you're not in for
Speaker 2: the whimsy and the funniness and the silliness and the
Speaker 2: low stakes of the personal relationships, I think that it
Speaker 2: is still going to be one of those movies where
Speaker 2: people go, you have to see this in the cinema.
Speaker 2: So if you're just a space lover, I think that
Speaker 2: is another reason to go and see this movie spoiler free.
Speaker 2: And now we're going to be spoiler.
Speaker 4: Ing from about the book and the movie, So be one.
Speaker 1: And we're back behind the curtain of spoiler territory. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to know. There are certain things I just
Speaker 1: want to know. Tell us, ask do they do the
Speaker 1: thing where he eats the hamburgers made of him, set
Speaker 1: made of his own like meat.
Speaker 2: They do not do that. They keep there is no
Speaker 2: cloned meat. They go very much into the space of
Speaker 2: the focus of the bleakness is about how he ended
Speaker 2: up getting to the planet. And that's your big real
Speaker 2: shocking reveal, is like he didn't consent, yeah, choice, Like.
Speaker 3: The Martian has that survivalist aspect where he has to
Speaker 3: figure out how he's going to survive and make food
Speaker 3: and last for this a long amount of time on Mars.
Speaker 3: This movie doesn't really The Steaks are not rooted in
Speaker 3: that survivalist aspect. You're never worried about like is he
Speaker 3: going to have enough food? In this movie. They don't
Speaker 3: really go that route.
Speaker 2: This is much more like the mystery of the first
Speaker 2: act is about him not knowing who he is and
Speaker 2: why he was there, and.
Speaker 1: Then uncovering him being woken up early in the yeah,
Speaker 1: and also.
Speaker 2: From being in this coma, and then he discovers that
Speaker 2: the other people on his ship are dead. And the
Speaker 2: thing is, again we talk about where they choose to
Speaker 2: be really gross and when they choose to be less gross,
Speaker 2: they just go straight in with like scary dead bodies,
Speaker 2: like they are hollowed faces they are. So it does
Speaker 2: have that kind of you know when you're a kid
Speaker 2: and you watch Indiana Jones and you feel like it's
Speaker 2: like a cozy comfort me and you love it and
Speaker 2: then you see the guy get melted at the end
Speaker 2: and you're like, ah, I'm gonna die, I don't want
Speaker 2: to think about this. This does have a little bit
Speaker 2: of that potential which I think sci fi needs to have,
Speaker 2: But yeah, they do not reveal the fact that Grace
Speaker 2: didn't actually want to go to space until right at
Speaker 2: the end, and it's kind of his lowest point and
Speaker 2: it brings this really bleak, scary moment to the film.
Speaker 2: So that's really their big emotional touch point of like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is maybe not just a cool, fun space adventure.
Speaker 2: But they otherwise they are very focused on just like
Speaker 2: two bros hanging out in space, like doing that, which I.
Speaker 1: Get the two bros aspect of it. The relationship between
Speaker 1: Rocky and Grace is honestly the most fun of the book.
Speaker 1: That the book for me, it has a very like
Speaker 1: Spielbergian like eighties feel in that it's like unapologetically white
Speaker 1: American guy saves the world the whole world is like,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a white American. There's no one
Speaker 1: else to do it right. Who's got the perfect not
Speaker 1: just like the science ability, but like the moral code,
Speaker 1: dead rock code to go into SPA. It's gotta be
Speaker 1: a white American.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna tell you great news, Okay, they they
Speaker 2: do a really.
Speaker 1: I understand that there are other nations involved in the mission,
Speaker 1: but they know and the book is completely like un
Speaker 1: is like, well, luckily the best of them wolved.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is like this is obviously I think
Speaker 2: actually produced by Amblin if I wasn't mistaken, we saw,
Speaker 2: you know at the beginning, and I think like the
Speaker 2: Steven spielbergy and ness is definitely that and obviously Ryan
Speaker 2: Gosling is a white guy. But what I did really
Speaker 2: like is they did play up a lot more his
Speaker 2: infant failings as a molecular biologist and really him be
Speaker 2: having to be a shithead, like he's a great teacher,
Speaker 2: but he's like very bitter about his past and science
Speaker 2: and stuff. That's that's good because that's that's not and
Speaker 2: that's what's really good is she is basically like and
Speaker 2: then they find out his ideas are still wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he has to basically fight to be on there.
Speaker 2: So it really they get rid of that sheen of
Speaker 2: him being the right guy. He's the wrong guy at
Speaker 2: the Rat's good because that's how it comes across.
Speaker 1: While I enjoyed the book, I enjoyed it with that
Speaker 1: kind of like you know a little bit of a
Speaker 1: give me a fucking break, it's gotta be this guy, and.
Speaker 3: I say, just to tack onto that, you know, we
Speaker 3: also find out, like the reason he's a science teacher
Speaker 3: is because, like Rosie said, he's disgraced from the scientific community.
Speaker 3: He has no family, he has no friends. So when they,
Speaker 3: you know, make the decision that like, you know, we
Speaker 3: need you to go on this mission because like there's
Speaker 3: no other options, Like nobody's really gonna you like think
Speaker 3: about something bigger than yourself anyway, Like they really do
Speaker 3: set it up as like he's a pretty sad character
Speaker 3: and he doesn't really have much going for him, like
Speaker 3: this is his one chance to like contribute something great,
Speaker 3: and he also is and he was selfish about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, in the moment, he won't do it. He's too
Speaker 2: scared and they have to kidnap him.
Speaker 1: Yeah that is in the book too, But again, like
Speaker 1: he's not cool before that. This is my own personal worldview.
Speaker 1: But it's a little bit like we listen, white Man,
Speaker 1: I know you don't want to save us and we
Speaker 1: don't deserve it. Please white Man, save us.
Speaker 2: You make you do it. You know what's really good
Speaker 2: about this one is like he gets really emotionally terrorized
Speaker 2: by the decision. So you will love it because one
Speaker 2: of the great things that they do is Sondra as
Speaker 2: Eva Strat and she plays it in her usual like
Speaker 2: iconic kind of emotionally detached but with a little something
Speaker 2: in there. She builds a very deep friendship with Grace
Speaker 2: as these two outsiders that we see in the flashbacks
Speaker 2: where she kind of can't really socialize but no and
Speaker 2: knows that she has this terrible job which is basically
Speaker 2: condemning people to death, and Grace is like, why do
Speaker 2: you do it? And she's like, I've got to do it,
Speaker 2: and she just thinks he's kind of dumb but hot
Speaker 2: but like clever. It's like a really good, realistic kind
Speaker 2: of crush at the end of the world. And then
Speaker 2: when she betrays him, it's so good and he gets
Speaker 2: he will get to see him be emotionally terrorized, and
Speaker 2: you also get to see him admit at the end
Speaker 2: that he was wrong, because the last thing he says
Speaker 2: to her is like, I hate to admit it, but
Speaker 2: like you were right. I can be here. Also, Jason,
Speaker 2: I would say, interestingly, you've brought up something very interesting here.
Speaker 2: The whole saving the world aspect very underplayed here. Interesting actually,
Speaker 2: I mean we know, like at the beginning, his kids
Speaker 2: are really scared. We talk about the astrophage, we talk
Speaker 2: about the sun eaters, but it's very minimal and there
Speaker 2: isn't a huge public acknowledgment. We don't get those usual
Speaker 2: here's what's happened on the news, the world's falling apart,
Speaker 2: like kind of disclosure day vibe. Instead, it was more
Speaker 2: like it's a secret project that only he knows about
Speaker 2: through this woman who comes to him and says, you
Speaker 2: should do this, And it's more about the camaraderie between
Speaker 2: the thirty people who know what's going on and who
Speaker 2: are gonna die probably. And it's really interesting because now
Speaker 2: you say it like yeah, at the end he has
Speaker 2: like sent down the potential kind of predator for astrophage
Speaker 2: for the story is yes, but it's really again because
Speaker 2: they're from Taoceti so like, But the funny thing is
Speaker 2: it's just him dropping them into the ocean in the
Speaker 2: Antarctic where Eva picks them up on a boat, and
Speaker 2: there is no huge like Houston, We've done it. It's
Speaker 2: very unarm again in that way. And it's kind of
Speaker 2: funny because as you were talking about that, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they actually really decented the highness of the steaks even
Speaker 2: though you still feel it, and it's really about that
Speaker 2: emotional relationship. And I guess then, Ian, would you say
Speaker 2: they kind of like a lot of the steaks and
Speaker 2: or and epic noess, It just comes from those visuals, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so, yeah, because I do agree
Speaker 3: they do underplay the like the world is ending vibes
Speaker 3: of it all. It's just like that's kind of more
Speaker 3: of like an afterthought or secondary thing. It's really just
Speaker 3: focusing on the visual spectacles of them in space and
Speaker 3: the hard science, the experimentation, and they're hypothesizing and theories,
Speaker 3: you know. I would say that's more and the relationship
Speaker 3: between Rocky Ye, how did the science land for you?
Speaker 3: Because I think this was one of those books this
Speaker 3: is the Martian. I love how central science is to it,
Speaker 3: and I love the way it it puts the ingenuity
Speaker 3: and creativity of human beings at the center as a
Speaker 3: way as like a as a positive good, you know, as
Speaker 3: like a solution, as a way like that people still
Speaker 3: know their problems. And it also made me realize like
Speaker 3: how much I also don't always I don't, I know,
Speaker 3: you know, like I know the bare minimum. I think
Speaker 3: as a person who reads a lot about science, so
Speaker 3: therefore it's like it is kind of magic to me,
Speaker 3: and there yeah, it approaches a level where I'm just
Speaker 3: like it it could be fantasy to me. So I
Speaker 3: guess what I'm asking is like, how do they present
Speaker 3: the science experiments that Grace spins up in order to
Speaker 3: kind of like both get the ship going and feed himself?
Speaker 1: Like how much big shorting of the story is there
Speaker 1: where they're walking you through like handholding the experiments, and
Speaker 1: how much of it is just you're just watching him science.
Speaker 3: I would say it's more you're just watching him science,
Speaker 3: But I do feel like, you know, as we know
Speaker 3: Andy Wears, a tenant of his writing is scientific accuracy.
Speaker 3: That is something he strives for, and The Martian was
Speaker 3: hailed as bring as scientifically accurate as you could make
Speaker 3: that kind of story, and I think they did a
Speaker 3: similar job here with this movie. But I mean, I
Speaker 3: think there's like little things like even when he first
Speaker 3: wakes up and he's still trying to remember who he is,
Speaker 3: why he's there, and he's doing like quick calculations on
Speaker 3: a whiteboard to figure out like how long would it
Speaker 3: take to get back to Earth based on the amount
Speaker 3: of fuel he has, And you just like immediately realize like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 3: this guy is really fucking smart. Yeah, he's a scientist.
Speaker 2: They do a good job of making it feel natural
Speaker 2: to the character. Even the way that he chooses to
Speaker 2: teach his kids in the class when we get those flashbacks,
Speaker 2: showcase that he's willing to tell them more. He's willing
Speaker 2: to be more honest than most adults. He's willing to
Speaker 2: give them the scientific reason why these things are eating
Speaker 2: the sun. And actually, as we were kind of talking
Speaker 2: about it, I realized that I think part of what
Speaker 2: makes that feel really organic and real in the movie
Speaker 2: is we've seen how that happens with like climate change.
Speaker 2: Is everyone does kind of act like it's normal and
Speaker 2: don't talk about it. It's scary, But like this is
Speaker 2: just them saying it's gonna happen in thirty years definitively,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's very interesting in that way. And
Speaker 2: I think that also establishes that, like in this movie,
Speaker 2: science kind of is magic because it is gonna save us,
Speaker 2: but like only about twenty people believe that, and they're
Speaker 2: kind of the most out there people, so I think
Speaker 2: that adds an element to it. I would also say
Speaker 2: my assumption from watching the movie and how many shots
Speaker 2: they do of the actual whiteboards and of the different
Speaker 2: you know, formulas that he's coming up with and stuff,
Speaker 2: I would assume that if you are into science, and
Speaker 2: if you're into you know, quantum mathematics and all that
Speaker 2: stuff that I cannot do, I would assume that these
Speaker 2: are essentially like gonna hold up. You know, there's at
Speaker 2: least gonna be stuff there where you're like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: is how you do that. And I will say something
Speaker 2: that they do that's really funny. In one of the
Speaker 2: flashbacks that work for me as a kind of science
Speaker 2: reader but not a science Noah necessarily, they have this
Speaker 2: great scene when he's first trying to investigating the astrophage
Speaker 2: and they have all of the foreign dignitaries watching through
Speaker 2: a window from around the world, and you see like
Speaker 2: they have no idea what's going on. And then we
Speaker 2: don't do a good job. They don't try and go
Speaker 2: exposition exposition exposition, But occasionally there are these interactions where
Speaker 2: he tells you enough that you think, oh, he really knows,
Speaker 2: and then you get these moments where he's really excited
Speaker 2: and they're super bored and asleep. So there's kind of
Speaker 2: this great conversation about how much can you explain science
Speaker 2: before it becomes unknowable to your audience? And do is
Speaker 2: it just funner when we celebrate it when we know
Speaker 2: it's going right? So I feel like I'm really interested
Speaker 2: to see some scientist takes because I would love to
Speaker 2: know if it had kept a similar amount of the
Speaker 2: same level that we got in The Martian, Which was
Speaker 2: one of the things I like the most about The
Speaker 2: Martian was just knowing that scientists were like, this could really,
Speaker 2: this kind of could happen. I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is what we need. This is speculative fiction coming to life,
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, it's definitely feels like a science
Speaker 2: heavy film, and I will say what I think feels
Speaker 2: very powerful right now. It feels like a very pro
Speaker 2: science film, like science is real, science is important, Science
Speaker 2: could save the world. But whatever happens, science is good
Speaker 2: because it's about being curious and being excited. And look
Speaker 2: at how excited these kids are about science and you know,
Speaker 2: I love that because right now, obviously we're in a
Speaker 2: very anti science time, so it feels even though it
Speaker 2: is a schmaltzy ish kind of blockbuster popcorn movie, there
Speaker 2: are these elements that make it feel quite subversive, and
Speaker 2: also the visuals do make it feel like it's pushing
Speaker 2: the boundaries of what we've seen before in these space movies.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, what I think is interesting about the
Speaker 1: the way we view science currently is what I loved
Speaker 1: about this book was that it was about using science
Speaker 1: to save the planet, to do something that was good,
Speaker 1: and it was very expensive and it was not clear
Speaker 1: that the return on investment was going to be there.
Speaker 1: We don't do big science things, right go to the
Speaker 1: moon for example, or like whatever, unless there is some military, military,
Speaker 1: or financial reason. There's a yeah, there's like a there's
Speaker 1: a reason, like a big reason, and of course, like
Speaker 1: the sun going out is a big reason. But as
Speaker 1: we stated like this, I like the way they downplay
Speaker 1: the threat of it in this YAE because it, I mean,
Speaker 1: it speaks to I think a more realistic way that
Speaker 1: something like that would be approached in the real world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But you know, like we're surrounded by science. The only
Speaker 1: thing is like what, you know, the dominating science story
Speaker 1: of the day is how we're using like robots to
Speaker 1: kill people, and everyone who works at a white college
Speaker 1: job is not gonna have a and then they have
Speaker 1: a job in a year because of science. So it's
Speaker 1: nice to be like to have a story where it's like,
Speaker 1: we're doing this science thing. It's really expensive, can't tell
Speaker 1: you what the profit return is going to be, and
Speaker 1: we're going to do it because it's good, because.
Speaker 2: It's the good thing that we're doing it. And I will.
Speaker 3: I would also say it's a I think that in
Speaker 3: addition to being very pro science and celebrating intellectualism in
Speaker 3: a time where that's under attack, I think it's also
Speaker 3: very like pro collaboration because not only is it you know,
Speaker 3: the US and Grace and all these other scientists internationally collaborating,
Speaker 3: but then also Grace and Rocky from two different you know,
Speaker 3: galaxies collaborating on this common problem. And I think that's
Speaker 3: throughout the movie, you know, throughout the course of the
Speaker 3: different experiments and formulations and the thing are trying to
Speaker 3: figure out, it's just a series of them solving problems together,
Speaker 3: collaboratively so I think it's also big celebration of just,
Speaker 3: you know, the collaborative nature of science and how it's
Speaker 3: iterative and you build upon things that come before and
Speaker 3: you find new ways to do things together. So I
Speaker 3: think it's a really big celebration of that as well.
Speaker 2: I think that you're writing in because that, to me
Speaker 2: is the element that I found so magical. And also
Speaker 2: in that way, it also does one of my favorite
Speaker 2: things that fiction has been doing recently, which is kind
Speaker 2: of this idea of like science and art and magic
Speaker 2: as all these different kind of interchangeable skills throughout time
Speaker 2: and history, like in which Italia. To do magic, you
Speaker 2: just need to know certain art like ruins and things
Speaker 2: that you would draw and symbols and sigils. And I
Speaker 2: really loved how so much of this movie because of
Speaker 2: the language barrier, because of the galaxy barrier between Rocky
Speaker 2: and Grace, it begins a lot with drawings and puppet
Speaker 2: shows and these kind of ideas of you know, the
Speaker 2: ways that people have been communicating to each other for
Speaker 2: centuries and millennia and everything. It was very moving to
Speaker 2: me and very well done.
Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's talk about that because I you know,
Speaker 1: like the relationship between Rocky and Grace is amazing. It
Speaker 1: was the one moment and the it was, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the few moments of the book where in
Speaker 1: a book grounded in science, I'm like, are we anthropomorphic
Speaker 1: pomorphizing this rock too much? Like, yeah, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like this rock is, where is this rock from? Like
Speaker 1: how many light years away?
Speaker 2: Are we? Like?
Speaker 1: Are we humanizing him too much? But at the same time,
Speaker 1: like absolutely loved it, and I'm not sure there's a
Speaker 1: way to do this story without doing that. But tell
Speaker 1: us about Rocky in the relationship.
Speaker 2: Ian, why don't you still because it's really the heart
Speaker 2: of the movie, Like that they understood. Yes, that reveal
Speaker 2: is what for a long time made this such a
Speaker 2: word of mouth hit. This kind of don't tell the secret,
Speaker 2: don't share the reveal, And even when you know the reveal,
Speaker 2: the way they build up to it is very well done.
Speaker 2: And I have to say, at all times, I just
Speaker 2: one hundred percent believed Yeah, probably Andy Wirn knows that
Speaker 2: if there was a life form, it wouldn't have a face,
Speaker 2: and it kind of looked like a rock. It just
Speaker 2: I totally bore it. So Ian, how did it hit
Speaker 2: for you as someone who hadn't read the book, I think.
Speaker 3: It felt very real, believable, it landed. It is the
Speaker 3: emotional core of the film, that relationship between them, and
Speaker 3: you know, towards the end, without getting too spoilery, there's
Speaker 3: a moment or two where it's not looking great for Rocky,
Speaker 3: and like I was genuinely like distressed, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my God, like, I hope this rock is gonna
Speaker 3: be okay. And so I feel like that's a testament
Speaker 3: to how effective the performance was. But I also think
Speaker 3: the fact that Rocky was a puppet and with a
Speaker 3: little bit of VFX on top, and the fact that
Speaker 3: Ryan had someone to actually act across from and wasn't
Speaker 3: just staring at a tennis ball and all these scenes,
Speaker 3: I think that elevated the performance and made it feel
Speaker 3: more real and palpable, that the chemistry and relationship between them.
Speaker 3: So I really loved it. And to Rosie's point too,
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he's essentially a talking rock, but I
Speaker 3: think it makes sense if you think about, you know,
Speaker 3: what life would look like from another galaxy.
Speaker 2: He's done in the movie, Jason, He's not gonna look
Speaker 2: like I will say in that way, they've done something
Speaker 2: again that I think the well I think they've done
Speaker 2: in this movie that I think is being underplayed. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, I think people are spoiled because we have
Speaker 2: so much incredible sci fi, especially with like you know,
Speaker 2: being blessed in a world where we have Apple making
Speaker 2: things like Severance, but they're also making these grand, epic
Speaker 2: scale adaptations of Asimov and shit like they we need
Speaker 2: to understand that there is still stuff that we haven't
Speaker 2: seen on screen, even though we watch a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff on screen, and there are things in this movie
Speaker 2: that I have never seen the way that they bring
Speaker 2: to life one Rocky, we haven't actually these kind of
Speaker 2: like spiderish, but we haven't really seen an alien like that.
Speaker 2: It's not a genomorph level reimagining, but it's still not
Speaker 2: a little gray Man, you know. It is different. But
Speaker 2: the real thing here that I think I have never
Speaker 2: seen before that really just kept stunning me and made
Speaker 2: me think a lot of kids on a lot of
Speaker 2: drugs are gonna watch this movie over the years is
Speaker 2: like Rocky's Ship. The way they bring to life this
Speaker 2: notion of a ship that is essentially, you know, sort
Speaker 2: of filled with light because it's completely woven together. It
Speaker 2: looks unbelievable, Jason, Like, it doesn't look how I imagined it,
Speaker 2: but it looks better. And they constantly play with the light,
Speaker 2: and they constantly play with the rainbows, and they make
Speaker 2: you feel like you're seeing something you haven't seen before.
Speaker 2: And I think in a lot of science fiction and
Speaker 2: speculative fiction, iron ground it, and this is grounded in science.
Speaker 2: But I would assume that if I've read about the
Speaker 2: potential of an alien ship, they would probably be based
Speaker 2: on something like this. This idea of a new element
Speaker 2: that we get here with Zenna Night, where it's xeon
Speaker 2: gas that's been turned into this kind of three D
Speaker 2: printed material almost. It's such a great invention because it
Speaker 2: makes the puppet shows the way that they interact with
Speaker 2: each other. You still have this very high tech, shiny
Speaker 2: thing at the center of it, because that is what
Speaker 2: Rocky is using to make these kind of gifts to Grace,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it is so good. We also get this
Speaker 2: really fun moment, but I think they don't play too long,
Speaker 2: which I totally get, but is really fun, where Grace
Speaker 2: runs away when he first sees that there's another ship,
Speaker 2: and I just love that that is his like human
Speaker 2: survival and stinc He's like, no, don't need to know,
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter. It's the most beautiful thing I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. And also I'm going to tell you something
Speaker 2: else they do that is very different, not different from
Speaker 2: the book, where it is different from the book emotionally,
Speaker 2: so at the end, you know, the big choice he
Speaker 2: makes where it's like it's like he has to go
Speaker 2: and save the Iridians or they'll all be dead, but
Speaker 2: they play it much more into being save Rocky, like
Speaker 2: that's his only consideration. Like he he decides he's going back.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have anyone on Earth, and he's like, I
Speaker 2: can either get back to Earth myself or because he
Speaker 2: realizes that Rocky is, you know, his the the Talmiba
Speaker 2: that they have found is can eat zena nite because
Speaker 2: they've raised it in these Xenonite kind of carriers and
Speaker 2: it evolved around it. And he goes back and it
Speaker 2: is like the biggest emotional moment and it makes the
Speaker 2: end hit so much better because like the funniest thing
Speaker 2: about it is in the book, they're like, he does
Speaker 2: this to be a hero in this They're like he's
Speaker 2: like fuck going back to Earth. I love Rocky. And
Speaker 2: then in the end he's just chilling on Iridian, like
Speaker 2: teaching all these little kids science, these Aridian aliens, and
Speaker 2: you're like, this man is in the place he's meant
Speaker 2: to be, Like this is not a compromise. And that
Speaker 2: is kind of amazing too, because again it kind of
Speaker 2: subverts the notion of like you go home and you're
Speaker 2: a hero and everyone's cheering for you, and instead it's
Speaker 2: like you go out to space and you realize that
Speaker 2: you just like really want to hang out with a
Speaker 2: rock alien for the rest of your life. So you
Speaker 2: do it, and it's just like and now you're still teaching,
Speaker 2: like yeah, you're living life. It's just a real feel
Speaker 2: good movie, but also like a very weird movie in
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 1: I want to grease. I mean, in the book I
Speaker 1: Wanted Grace when he sends the data back, to send
Speaker 1: the data back with like a five minute fuck you, he.
Speaker 3: Kind of does do that in this film a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do a really good like
Speaker 2: they do a video diary that he sends back, and
Speaker 2: he definitely is like shading her a little bit. But
Speaker 2: also they are trying to fuck the whole way through
Speaker 2: the movie, and so there's definitely still some sexual tension
Speaker 2: in the movie, like it's it's never they don't even kiss,
Speaker 2: there's no romance, but the connection that these two weirdos have.
Speaker 2: He can't fully beef her, but he does shade her
Speaker 2: a little bit and then admit she was right to
Speaker 2: send him.
Speaker 3: But yeah, because like earlier in the movie when they're
Speaker 3: trying to recruit him and he's like, I'm just a
Speaker 3: science teacher, Like I don't know, They're like, you're you're smart,
Speaker 3: you'll figure it out. We believe in you. And then
Speaker 3: so at the end when he sends the proback with
Speaker 3: his video diary, he's like explaining everything they discovered and
Speaker 3: he's like, I hope that makes sense, and you guys
Speaker 3: can solve the problem, but if not, you're smart, you'll
Speaker 3: figure it out.
Speaker 2: And then hangs out just like bye.
Speaker 3: And so I think that was a nice little callback
Speaker 3: and like him just being like, you know, I'm good,
Speaker 3: you guys, this is your problem. Now I'm gonna yeah,
Speaker 3: held my rock home.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna live on my rock planet, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, I cured of astrophage with my bro so
Speaker 2: my good luck to you now. So I'm very interested
Speaker 2: Jason to catch up with you maybe on like a
Speaker 2: news episode or something and see what you think about
Speaker 2: it with the.
Speaker 1: Change from you and really excited.
Speaker 2: Oh. Joel asked a great question to Ian, what do
Speaker 2: you think about we now? Have you know? Gosling here
Speaker 2: much more what people would presume to be traditional lead
Speaker 2: compared to your uh Matt Damon in The Martian, who
Speaker 2: I feel like was more in that born action survivalist space.
Speaker 2: How did it work for you? For me? I'm definitely
Speaker 2: more of a Gosling head. I like the charm, I
Speaker 2: like the coziness, the whimsical nature of this movie. How
Speaker 2: did the two compare for you when you're looking at
Speaker 2: these movies as leads?
Speaker 3: I think this is probably going to be an unpoppular opinion,
Speaker 3: but I think they're both amazing performances. I think Ryan
Speaker 3: Gosling does an amazing job in this movie. But I
Speaker 3: think Matt Damon, just for me as a lead, has
Speaker 3: a little bit more juice, yeah, a little bit more charisma.
Speaker 3: I think the kind of like dry humor that Matt
Speaker 3: Damon brings to I think I just personally like that
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Ryan Gosling is funny in this movie.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of heart, but it's goofy. It's a
Speaker 3: lot of it's goofy. It's very goofy, and I think
Speaker 3: a little more earnest in a way that some people
Speaker 3: might find like corny. But yeah, I still think is
Speaker 3: a great performance. But I think for me, if I'm
Speaker 3: comparing the two, I do think I like Damon's performance
Speaker 3: in The Martian a little bit more. But that's just
Speaker 3: me personally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I like both of them for different reasons,
Speaker 2: but this is definitely like a preferred version of Andy
Speaker 2: Weir for me. So Gosling works really well. I will say,
Speaker 2: what is very funny that does connect the two of
Speaker 2: them is they are peak Like when you're watching him,
Speaker 2: you are like, this is just Ryan Gosling or this
Speaker 2: is Matt Damon, Like they are that level of casting.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of funny because you're just watching them.
Speaker 2: This works for me really well because some of the
Speaker 2: stuff that I think is really fun here that you know,
Speaker 2: we've seen it before in like Moon or something. You
Speaker 2: know we've seen Sam Rockwell kind of dancing around a
Speaker 2: spaceship or whatever, but Gosling's goofiness here it really I
Speaker 2: think makes Grace at an in character in a way
Speaker 2: that he's not if you're not a very smart scientist.
Speaker 2: Because when he's just like hanging out on the you know, ship,
Speaker 2: and he's drinking vodka and he's got three hats on
Speaker 2: and a pair of sunglasses, like, you're like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: probably what I do if I woke up out of
Speaker 2: a coma. Like he acts this kind of everyman goofy
Speaker 2: silliness that makes I think for people who probably are
Speaker 2: good at science, or people who just love the dream big,
Speaker 2: you sort of go, oh, maybe I could survive, you know,
Speaker 2: like maybe there's a way I could find. Maybe I'd
Speaker 2: make friends with the robot and he would just help
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd make friends with Rocky and he'd help
Speaker 2: me because I'm just nice to him, Like he'd help
Speaker 2: me know of the science or whatever. Like So, I
Speaker 2: think it adds a relatability that I can sometimes find
Speaker 2: is lacking from these kind of space movies because often
Speaker 2: they are about and this is part of it. It's
Speaker 2: like a competency fantasy, right, and this movie is a
Speaker 2: competency fantasy. It's imagine if the government was doing good
Speaker 2: shit and that a guy, a powerful white guy went
Speaker 2: to space and did something good. Like we love a
Speaker 2: competency fantasy. I is so popular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I love Michael mann movies exactly. The
Speaker 1: criminal perspective is like I like watching movies about people
Speaker 1: who are good at doing things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say to like kind of follow up
Speaker 3: on your point, Rosie. At no point in The Martian
Speaker 3: do you ever think like Matt Damon doesn't know what
Speaker 3: he's doing or isn't going to figure it out. He's
Speaker 3: like he is that dude. And then versus Gosling in
Speaker 3: this movie, like he makes it very clear. It's like
Speaker 3: I'm just a science teacher, like I'm not an astronaut, like,
Speaker 3: and he's very much like you. He's smart, but you
Speaker 3: like also realize he's figuring it out on the fly,
Speaker 3: and he very much feels like he has like imposter
Speaker 3: syndrome kind of vibe. So like, I think that is
Speaker 3: kind of the biggest difference between the two portrayals.
Speaker 2: That's such a great point, Ian, and I think that
Speaker 2: that is definitely this is my this is my I've
Speaker 2: been overtaked by the oscars, right, So this is where
Speaker 2: I this is my discourse theory. I think that some
Speaker 2: people are gonna love it and it's gonna be like optimism,
Speaker 2: but then it's gonna get dragged for being like hope core.
Speaker 2: And then I think other people are gonna be like
Speaker 2: it's too whimsical. It's like it's it's too much, like
Speaker 2: it's too silly. And I think those are gonna be
Speaker 2: like the two kind of lit like lines, which I
Speaker 2: think is funny because like it's just a movie. Guys
Speaker 2: just enjoyed a movie. It's got some cool stuff to say,
Speaker 2: but also it's just like a crazy action blockbuster. So actually,
Speaker 2: speaking on that ian where we have quite different where
Speaker 2: do you feel like this could go box office wise?
Speaker 2: Because I know we were talking about this. I think
Speaker 2: it's a mystery to me. It could be like a
Speaker 2: huge flot or it could be a billion dollar movie,
Speaker 2: depending on where the public stomach for a hopeful, optimistic,
Speaker 2: competency fantasy about like the government saving the world can go,
Speaker 2: which I feel like right now could go either way.
Speaker 3: That's tough. I don't know. I think just based on
Speaker 3: like kind of the current landscape, the only things that
Speaker 3: seem to be really doing big numbers right now are
Speaker 3: like animated movie.
Speaker 2: It's true. We loves we love animate and.
Speaker 3: I know, like just comparing this to The Martian, Like
Speaker 3: The Martian had a budget of I believe around one
Speaker 3: hundred million, one hundred and eight million. It did like
Speaker 3: six thirty at the box office. This one has a
Speaker 3: budget of two hundred and forty eight million. Obviously, I
Speaker 3: know a different time. Movie industry has changed.
Speaker 2: Time because I loved your point that you would when
Speaker 2: we were doing pre production. You made some really great
Speaker 2: notes talk a little bit about why a movie like
Speaker 2: The Martian that costs that much could make that much
Speaker 2: back then, and how that's kind of changed.
Speaker 3: Well, that movie came out in twenty fifteen, so that
Speaker 3: was ten years ago, pre COVID. People's you know, movie
Speaker 3: watching and theater going habits were very different back then
Speaker 3: compared to now. I think movies were also probably a
Speaker 3: little bit cheaper.
Speaker 2: To make back then, and cheaper to go see.
Speaker 3: Cheaper to go see all of it. So I think
Speaker 3: that and Matt Damon is a huge star. You know,
Speaker 3: it was very much a Matt Damon star vehicle, So
Speaker 3: I think that kind of makes sense why it performed
Speaker 3: so well, I just don't think movies are performing the
Speaker 3: same way in our current landscape, and the budget for
Speaker 3: this movie was considerably larger, So I think.
Speaker 2: Also that was like a time when a movie could
Speaker 2: really break out like an original movie, even if it
Speaker 2: was adapted from a book, you know, if it wasn't
Speaker 2: like a franchise or ongoing already established Hollywood ipee. Like
Speaker 2: this was that era where we're always like the mid
Speaker 2: budget thriller, it could still do it, you know. This
Speaker 2: was the end of that era. So I do think
Speaker 2: I do think that you're right. I think The Martian
Speaker 2: was kind of it was almost like an everywhere, everything
Speaker 2: all at once of its time where it just kept
Speaker 2: playing and kept making money where But I do, yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I don't know where this goes.
Speaker 2: I think it could top out at like three hundred
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 5: Saying for them, I will say my positive hope will
Speaker 5: take is that this is a movie that made a
Speaker 5: whole movie theater laugh.
Speaker 2: We saw early fan screening. People had bought tickets. Now,
Speaker 2: it wasn't sold out, which I do think is always
Speaker 2: slightly a worry, but they did have a lot of them,
Speaker 2: and their reactions were good. I feel like everyone was
Speaker 2: enjoying the movie happy, and I'm hoping that this can
Speaker 2: be a little bit of like a Sinner's Light. It
Speaker 2: is not sinners like culturally or politically or even just
Speaker 2: like achievement wise visually, but it is a really great
Speaker 2: cinema experience that could drive people back into the movie
Speaker 2: theaters more than once. And I'm hoping that that is
Speaker 2: the takeaway from this. And I think that because of
Speaker 2: how good the casting is, even of the side characters,
Speaker 2: me and I him both got super HYPESO did Nick.
Speaker 2: When we saw Millana van Trump. We didn't know she
Speaker 2: was in this movie as one of the scientists, so
Speaker 2: like we, they just have and the Sandra Hilla Ryan
Speaker 2: chemistry is so good and the rocky stuff is so good,
Speaker 2: and the way that it nods to the past. We
Speaker 2: get a little close encounters nod when they first meet
Speaker 2: with some tapping and some music like but it's not
Speaker 2: that meta Sean Levy level of everything is a reference.
Speaker 2: I feel like it has an old timiness and I
Speaker 2: think Ryan Gosling brings us to He's got an old
Speaker 2: time Hollywood charm. I think that it brings an old
Speaker 2: timey kind of amblin esque sci fi magic that we
Speaker 2: haven't necessarily seen in a movie that could be for
Speaker 2: families for a while. That's not like And it looks
Speaker 2: so much better than our usual mcusque versions of the
Speaker 2: planet that we've seen before, which is weird because me
Speaker 2: and Ian were talking about this. This movie apparently has
Speaker 2: zero green screen shots, which means a lot of it
Speaker 2: must have been done via volume or projection and massive
Speaker 2: screenwork and stuff. But it does not look like a
Speaker 2: Man in the West quantummania, Like this looks like you're
Speaker 2: in space, like you would believe it if they said, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, we somehow were projecting real things from space,
Speaker 2: and it looks different to the space we've seen before
Speaker 2: because of Andy Wier's you know, love of science, and
Speaker 2: because of what the movie makers were trying to do.
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping it breaks out, but it feels like
Speaker 2: if it breaks out, that's the lesser chance for me.
Speaker 2: I feel like I want it to be the big breakout,
Speaker 2: but I feel like if it makes three hundred four hundred,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a big win. Amazon makes movies as
Speaker 2: a lost leader essentially, but this does it. It's Amazon
Speaker 2: MGM Studios so you know, it's gonna have this the
Speaker 2: actual cool release. It's gonna hopefully be able to stay
Speaker 2: in this as for a while. Like I'm I'm willing
Speaker 2: good things for this movie.
Speaker 3: But to your point, Rosie, actually the fact that there
Speaker 3: is allegedly zero green screen, and you know there's the
Speaker 3: puppetry and everything in a lot of practical sets that
Speaker 3: may have also contributed to the movie being a little
Speaker 3: bit more expensive. But I think this is a question
Speaker 3: I was thinking about. If this movie is successful, do
Speaker 3: you think this will kind of create a trend of
Speaker 3: shifting back towards doing more practical effects and miniatures and puppets,
Speaker 3: because we all know that looks better. It just looks better,
Speaker 3: but it's it's more expensive and time consuming, and that's
Speaker 3: why studios have shied away from it. But if the
Speaker 3: end result is worth it and it makes enough money
Speaker 3: to be, you know, worth it, do you think we'll
Speaker 3: start seeing more of that?
Speaker 2: Manfully, I love this hope, and I would hope that
Speaker 2: was the case. I think it will be like anything
Speaker 2: positive in America is going to be incremental. But I
Speaker 2: do think if this, if this movie made like seven
Speaker 2: hundred billion, do I think that that MCU would suddenly
Speaker 2: be like, well, in doomsday, you know, we have a
Speaker 2: lockjaw puppet that we're really excited for people to see,
Speaker 2: Like probably the same way that Sinners started making people
Speaker 2: want to release stuff on different you know, sixty five
Speaker 2: mil imax. DNI used an imax for the first time
Speaker 2: on June three. He was talking about the launch I
Speaker 2: went through the other day, so like, I do feel
Speaker 2: like it's it would incrementally, hopefully push us back in
Speaker 2: the direction away from AI, back towards the notion of
Speaker 2: what does human imagination look like. I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of really incredible conversation recently of people sharing old from
Speaker 2: the thirties and forties Disney animated segments from like Sleeping
Speaker 2: Beauty or Cinderella. I think specifically the Cinderella sequence with
Speaker 2: her and that her own reflection is in the bubble,
Speaker 2: and so many kids have been sharing it going, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this is the kind of stuff I imagined as
Speaker 2: a kid, Like the fact you could bring that out
Speaker 2: in real life just with a pen and pay. But
Speaker 2: I think we could be in a good nostalgic turn back,
Speaker 2: which has been happening with Vinyl with physical cameras, digital cameras,
Speaker 2: stuff like that, But I would love I think it
Speaker 2: would be incremental, but I do think it would make
Speaker 2: an impact because money talks, and we know that the
Speaker 2: CG kind of industry, that the way they've been using
Speaker 2: the VFX industry is not sustainable and has not been
Speaker 2: really working out for them either. So I would really
Speaker 2: love to see something like that, but I don't know
Speaker 2: for sure. Jason as a book reader, after this conversation,
Speaker 2: if somebody stayed for the spoilers, what are you most
Speaker 2: excited about? Now you're gonna go see it? Like did
Speaker 2: anything that we talked about kind of surprise.
Speaker 1: The visual splendor of this film, like to compare it
Speaker 1: to something like two thousand and one, which I think
Speaker 1: is a movie that after fifty sixty years sixty.
Speaker 2: I still go see it whenever it's on at the cinema.
Speaker 2: That looks good as hell.
Speaker 1: Absolutely stands up to anything that you will see today
Speaker 1: or will ever see. And so from that perspective, I'm
Speaker 1: super excited. You know, Lord Miller, it's their first live
Speaker 1: action direction since I think like twenty one Jump.
Speaker 2: Street that makes so much sense, and I'm gonna lie
Speaker 2: for that animation in a big way like this is.
Speaker 1: That's important. And so when you start talking about films
Speaker 1: like two thousand and one, the potential that this film
Speaker 1: could influence, you know, cinematic language going forward is not
Speaker 1: something that I necessarily had on my.
Speaker 3: Project.
Speaker 1: Hel Mary Bingo card for the adaptation. So that is
Speaker 1: something that I'm super super excited about seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait tell your thoughts about it. Ian,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for come and see the movie
Speaker 2: China with us.
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