WEBVTT - Project Hail Mary Is Pure Sci-Fi Blockbuster Fun

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<v Speaker 1>Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for Project Hail Mary, the film,

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<v Speaker 1>and the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to x Revision of the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 1>dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, pop culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Company from My Heart podcast, where we're bringing you three episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Week plus news. In today's episode, we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss Project Hail Mary, the hard sci fi epic starring

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Gosling. Then Jason will do a deep dive into

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<v Speaker 2>the hit novel the film was based on written by

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Ware, who also authored The Martian, which you will

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<v Speaker 2>hear us talk about a lot today. I presume.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's welcome in super producer Ian.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey a, Rosie and Ian.

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<v Speaker 1>You two have seen the film. I have not yet

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<v Speaker 1>seen the film, but I have read the book. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you two read the book?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>So I have read the trade information on No.

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<v Speaker 2>We can we do a little booking, A little.

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<v Speaker 1>Booking, and why don't you let's first do a little

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<v Speaker 1>non spoiler.

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<v Speaker 2>How was the movie? Ian start us off? We were

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<v Speaker 2>both losing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed it. I really loved it. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>visually stunning, beautiful, which I'm sure we'll get into a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more about the nitty gritty of that. I

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<v Speaker 3>think Gosling Ryan Gosling's performance was really great, considering especially

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<v Speaker 3>for a large majority of the film he's like the

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<v Speaker 3>only person on screen. Yeah, And I think there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of heart and like feel good kind of optimism

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<v Speaker 3>in the movie, more than I was expecting. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's just like a really like feel good fun watch,

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<v Speaker 3>visually stunning. I love how hard they leaned into the

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<v Speaker 3>science of it as well. So yeah, I just really

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<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed the movie. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I went in like sort of not really knowing what

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<v Speaker 2>to expect because I did read the book in the

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<v Speaker 2>lead up, and I was like, this is a good book,

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<v Speaker 2>but also like, what is this like on screen? Like

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<v Speaker 2>and the Andy Wierz definitely, like The Martian is quite

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<v Speaker 2>a singular movie, and I think this ends up being

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<v Speaker 2>in a spiritual space with it but also being very

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<v Speaker 2>singular in the sci fi space because of Weir's insistence

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<v Speaker 2>on kind of balancing humor and huge steaks. I really

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<v Speaker 2>love this, Like this definitely tops them at The Martian

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I think what really makes the movie special

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<v Speaker 2>is obviously Ryan Gosling. This is that star vehicle. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's had so many because he's so charming. We all

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<v Speaker 2>know I loved The fall Guy, but it didn't hit

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<v Speaker 2>for audiences. This is the most charming everyman Ryan Gosling

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<v Speaker 2>performance you could imagine. But I think that it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>work without the incredible casting of Sandra Hula, who's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of his straight woman. Together, the two of them bring

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<v Speaker 2>this unbelievably weird and beautiful and brilliant kind of heart

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<v Speaker 2>to this completely in saying story that if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know much about it will really take you on a ride,

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to say this is an incredibly vibey movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely more of an amil piece. If you know

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<v Speaker 2>the book and you know the way that information is

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<v Speaker 2>revealed in the book. They try in the film to

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<v Speaker 2>keep some of that mystery, to tell the story as

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<v Speaker 2>we go with flashbacks, but there is not necessarily a

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<v Speaker 2>narrative structure or format for the flashbacks in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that there might be in other films where they want

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<v Speaker 2>to hold your hand more. Here it's more like we

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<v Speaker 2>just join Grace, the main character played by Rang Gosling.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever he goes back into a memory or learn something,

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<v Speaker 2>we follow him. So I think for some people, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think some of the reviews this has got it's

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<v Speaker 2>great on our tea right now, I think it's ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five percent, but some of them were more in the

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<v Speaker 2>three and a half four rather than that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a masterpiece, and a lot of the reviews that I

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<v Speaker 2>read in that space were very much like, it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just flows, It's kind of just it's like you're

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<v Speaker 2>spending time with him. It's kind of just vibe. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously I love that and it worked for me. But

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a really interesting choice and again

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<v Speaker 2>makes it feel more unique in the space of a

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood blockbuster.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we go into a spoiler territory? Well, first, do

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<v Speaker 1>you recommend this movie? I can't wait to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, Oh, this is a top tier recommend. I would

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<v Speaker 2>say this is like, go see it with as many

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<v Speaker 2>people as possible, but would also work if you'll just

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<v Speaker 2>go to your five dollars cinema and just totally vibeb out.

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<v Speaker 2>We were lucky enough to see it in IMAX. It

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<v Speaker 2>looked incredible, but I'm sure, any premium format or even

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<v Speaker 2>just big screen is going to be a really incredible

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<v Speaker 2>way to see this. And so a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>non spoiler that we can talk about Ian just talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit quickly before we get deep into spoiler

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<v Speaker 2>territory for those who don't want to be spoiled, talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about that stunning visual landscape that Lord

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<v Speaker 2>and Miller create, because it is a pretty unbelievable looking movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say, you know, in general, like space movies,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times they they either will kind of

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<v Speaker 3>show you the starkness of space and the emptiness and

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<v Speaker 3>that's like kind of visually stunning, or you'll get these

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful you know, like planet scapes and things like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and this movie does both of those things really well.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think also just a lot of the framing

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<v Speaker 3>inside the ship, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way coloring the ships to life, the colors.

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<v Speaker 3>The colors, just like it's visually stunning in especially seeing

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<v Speaker 3>an imax on a giant screen in a way that

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<v Speaker 3>I think I haven't seen in a while from a

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<v Speaker 3>space movie, but like it gave me kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>same feel as gravity when you're watching that movie. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you like gravity, obviously, if you like

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<v Speaker 3>The Martian, if you're just a fan of space movies

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<v Speaker 3>in general, you're going I would highly recommend going to

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<v Speaker 3>see this film.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, it's definitely very whimsical. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think my review for Letterbox was like, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>a movie about two silly billies on a silly adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't like that review, you're probably not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna like the movie because it has level of whimsy

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<v Speaker 2>and schmaltz to it. But I do think that you're

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<v Speaker 2>right to bring up gravity. Your right to bring up

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<v Speaker 2>I was even gonna write that it was cozy two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one, but I didn't want to get in

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<v Speaker 2>a fight with a bunch of Kubrick crows. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>it does have that level of awe that you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go the same way that I'm sure it was

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<v Speaker 2>the first time that people saw seventy seven Star Wars

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<v Speaker 2>on screen for the first time, the real original version

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<v Speaker 2>with those miniatures, like no effects, like it must have

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<v Speaker 2>felt life changing. I remember the first time I felt

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<v Speaker 2>watching Jurassic Park, right, this has those similar moments. There

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<v Speaker 2>is stuff here that we have never really seen on

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<v Speaker 2>screen before to this high level there's these kind of

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<v Speaker 2>garcious planets, these color choices that are so unique. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the ships are just completely nothing like we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>before on a kind of level of cenimal for aliens.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like, even if you're not in for

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<v Speaker 2>the whimsy and the funniness and the silliness and the

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<v Speaker 2>low stakes of the personal relationships, I think that it

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<v Speaker 2>is still going to be one of those movies where

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<v Speaker 2>people go, you have to see this in the cinema.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're just a space lover, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>is another reason to go and see this movie spoiler free.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're going to be spoiler.

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<v Speaker 4>Ing from about the book and the movie, So be one.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back behind the curtain of spoiler territory. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know. There are certain things I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to know. Tell us, ask do they do the

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<v Speaker 1>thing where he eats the hamburgers made of him, set

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<v Speaker 1>made of his own like meat.

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<v Speaker 2>They do not do that. They keep there is no

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<v Speaker 2>cloned meat. They go very much into the space of

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<v Speaker 2>the focus of the bleakness is about how he ended

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<v Speaker 2>up getting to the planet. And that's your big real

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<v Speaker 2>shocking reveal, is like he didn't consent, yeah, choice, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>The Martian has that survivalist aspect where he has to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out how he's going to survive and make food

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<v Speaker 3>and last for this a long amount of time on Mars.

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<v Speaker 3>This movie doesn't really The Steaks are not rooted in

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<v Speaker 3>that survivalist aspect. You're never worried about like is he

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<v Speaker 3>going to have enough food? In this movie. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>really go that route.

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<v Speaker 2>This is much more like the mystery of the first

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<v Speaker 2>act is about him not knowing who he is and

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<v Speaker 2>why he was there, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then uncovering him being woken up early in the yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and also.

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<v Speaker 2>From being in this coma, and then he discovers that

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<v Speaker 2>the other people on his ship are dead. And the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, again we talk about where they choose to

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<v Speaker 2>be really gross and when they choose to be less gross,

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<v Speaker 2>they just go straight in with like scary dead bodies,

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<v Speaker 2>like they are hollowed faces they are. So it does

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<v Speaker 2>have that kind of you know when you're a kid

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<v Speaker 2>and you watch Indiana Jones and you feel like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a cozy comfort me and you love it and

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<v Speaker 2>then you see the guy get melted at the end

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, ah, I'm gonna die, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to think about this. This does have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of that potential which I think sci fi needs to have,

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they do not reveal the fact that Grace

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually want to go to space until right at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, and it's kind of his lowest point and

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<v Speaker 2>it brings this really bleak, scary moment to the film.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's really their big emotional touch point of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is maybe not just a cool, fun space adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>But they otherwise they are very focused on just like

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<v Speaker 2>two bros hanging out in space, like doing that, which I.

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<v Speaker 1>Get the two bros aspect of it. The relationship between

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<v Speaker 1>Rocky and Grace is honestly the most fun of the book.

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<v Speaker 1>That the book for me, it has a very like

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<v Speaker 1>Spielbergian like eighties feel in that it's like unapologetically white

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<v Speaker 1>American guy saves the world the whole world is like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be a white American. There's no one

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<v Speaker 1>else to do it right. Who's got the perfect not

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<v Speaker 1>just like the science ability, but like the moral code,

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<v Speaker 1>dead rock code to go into SPA. It's gotta be

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<v Speaker 1>a white American.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna tell you great news, Okay, they they

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<v Speaker 2>do a really.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that there are other nations involved in the mission,

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<v Speaker 1>but they know and the book is completely like un

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<v Speaker 1>is like, well, luckily the best of them wolved.

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<v Speaker 2>The funny thing is like this is obviously I think

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<v Speaker 2>actually produced by Amblin if I wasn't mistaken, we saw,

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<v Speaker 2>you know at the beginning, and I think like the

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<v Speaker 2>Steven spielbergy and ness is definitely that and obviously Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Gosling is a white guy. But what I did really

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<v Speaker 2>like is they did play up a lot more his

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<v Speaker 2>infant failings as a molecular biologist and really him be

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<v Speaker 2>having to be a shithead, like he's a great teacher,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's like very bitter about his past and science

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. That's that's good because that's that's not and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's really good is she is basically like and

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<v Speaker 2>then they find out his ideas are still wrong. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has to basically fight to be on there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it really they get rid of that sheen of

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<v Speaker 2>him being the right guy. He's the wrong guy at

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<v Speaker 2>the Rat's good because that's how it comes across.

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<v Speaker 1>While I enjoyed the book, I enjoyed it with that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like you know a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>give me a fucking break, it's gotta be this guy, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I say, just to tack onto that, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>also find out, like the reason he's a science teacher

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<v Speaker 3>is because, like Rosie said, he's disgraced from the scientific community.

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<v Speaker 3>He has no family, he has no friends. So when they,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, make the decision that like, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>need you to go on this mission because like there's

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<v Speaker 3>no other options, Like nobody's really gonna you like think

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<v Speaker 3>about something bigger than yourself anyway, Like they really do

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<v Speaker 3>set it up as like he's a pretty sad character

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<v Speaker 3>and he doesn't really have much going for him, like

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<v Speaker 3>this is his one chance to like contribute something great,

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<v Speaker 3>and he also is and he was selfish about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, in the moment, he won't do it. He's too

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<v Speaker 2>scared and they have to kidnap him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that is in the book too, But again, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's not cool before that. This is my own personal worldview.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a little bit like we listen, white Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you don't want to save us and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't deserve it. Please white Man, save us.

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<v Speaker 2>You make you do it. You know what's really good

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<v Speaker 2>about this one is like he gets really emotionally terrorized

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<v Speaker 2>by the decision. So you will love it because one

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<v Speaker 2>of the great things that they do is Sondra as

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<v Speaker 2>Eva Strat and she plays it in her usual like

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<v Speaker 2>iconic kind of emotionally detached but with a little something

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<v Speaker 2>in there. She builds a very deep friendship with Grace

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<v Speaker 2>as these two outsiders that we see in the flashbacks

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<v Speaker 2>where she kind of can't really socialize but no and

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<v Speaker 2>knows that she has this terrible job which is basically

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<v Speaker 2>condemning people to death, and Grace is like, why do

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<v Speaker 2>you do it? And she's like, I've got to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and she just thinks he's kind of dumb but hot

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<v Speaker 2>but like clever. It's like a really good, realistic kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crush at the end of the world. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when she betrays him, it's so good and he gets

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<v Speaker 2>he will get to see him be emotionally terrorized, and

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<v Speaker 2>you also get to see him admit at the end

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<v Speaker 2>that he was wrong, because the last thing he says

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<v Speaker 2>to her is like, I hate to admit it, but

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<v Speaker 2>like you were right. I can be here. Also, Jason,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, interestingly, you've brought up something very interesting here.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole saving the world aspect very underplayed here. Interesting actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we know, like at the beginning, his kids

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<v Speaker 2>are really scared. We talk about the astrophage, we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the sun eaters, but it's very minimal and there

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a huge public acknowledgment. We don't get those usual

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<v Speaker 2>here's what's happened on the news, the world's falling apart,

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of disclosure day vibe. Instead, it was more

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a secret project that only he knows about

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<v Speaker 2>through this woman who comes to him and says, you

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<v Speaker 2>should do this, And it's more about the camaraderie between

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<v Speaker 2>the thirty people who know what's going on and who

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna die probably. And it's really interesting because now

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<v Speaker 2>you say it like yeah, at the end he has

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<v Speaker 2>like sent down the potential kind of predator for astrophage

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<v Speaker 2>for the story is yes, but it's really again because

0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.040
<v Speaker 2>they're from Taoceti so like, But the funny thing is

0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:53.280
<v Speaker 2>it's just him dropping them into the ocean in the

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<v Speaker 2>Antarctic where Eva picks them up on a boat, and

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<v Speaker 2>there is no huge like Houston, We've done it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very unarm again in that way. And it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>funny because as you were talking about that, I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they actually really decented the highness of the steaks even

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<v Speaker 2>though you still feel it, and it's really about that

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<v Speaker 2>emotional relationship. And I guess then, Ian, would you say

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of like a lot of the steaks and

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<v Speaker 2>or and epic noess, It just comes from those visuals, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say so, yeah, because I do agree

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<v Speaker 3>they do underplay the like the world is ending vibes

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<v Speaker 3>of it all. It's just like that's kind of more

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<v Speaker 3>of like an afterthought or secondary thing. It's really just

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<v Speaker 3>focusing on the visual spectacles of them in space and

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<v Speaker 3>the hard science, the experimentation, and they're hypothesizing and theories,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I would say that's more and the relationship

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<v Speaker 3>between Rocky Ye, how did the science land for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think this was one of those books this

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<v Speaker 3>is the Martian. I love how central science is to it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I love the way it it puts the ingenuity

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<v Speaker 3>and creativity of human beings at the center as a

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<v Speaker 3>way as like a as a positive good, you know, as

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<v Speaker 3>like a solution, as a way like that people still

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<v Speaker 3>know their problems. And it also made me realize like

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<v Speaker 3>how much I also don't always I don't, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like I know the bare minimum. I think

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<v Speaker 3>as a person who reads a lot about science, so

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<v Speaker 3>therefore it's like it is kind of magic to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and there yeah, it approaches a level where I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>like it it could be fantasy to me. So I

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<v Speaker 3>guess what I'm asking is like, how do they present

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<v Speaker 3>the science experiments that Grace spins up in order to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like both get the ship going and feed himself?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how much big shorting of the story is there

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<v Speaker 1>where they're walking you through like handholding the experiments, and

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<v Speaker 1>how much of it is just you're just watching him science.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say it's more you're just watching him science,

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<v Speaker 3>But I do feel like, you know, as we know

0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.919
<v Speaker 3>Andy Wears, a tenant of his writing is scientific accuracy.

0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.480
<v Speaker 3>That is something he strives for, and The Martian was

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<v Speaker 3>hailed as bring as scientifically accurate as you could make

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of story, and I think they did a

0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.960
<v Speaker 3>similar job here with this movie. But I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's like little things like even when he first

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<v Speaker 3>wakes up and he's still trying to remember who he is,

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<v Speaker 3>why he's there, and he's doing like quick calculations on

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<v Speaker 3>a whiteboard to figure out like how long would it

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<v Speaker 3>take to get back to Earth based on the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of fuel he has, And you just like immediately realize like, oh, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy is really fucking smart. Yeah, he's a scientist.

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<v Speaker 2>They do a good job of making it feel natural

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<v Speaker 2>to the character. Even the way that he chooses to

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<v Speaker 2>teach his kids in the class when we get those flashbacks,

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<v Speaker 2>showcase that he's willing to tell them more. He's willing

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<v Speaker 2>to be more honest than most adults. He's willing to

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<v Speaker 2>give them the scientific reason why these things are eating

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<v Speaker 2>the sun. And actually, as we were kind of talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it, I realized that I think part of what

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<v Speaker 2>makes that feel really organic and real in the movie

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<v Speaker 2>is we've seen how that happens with like climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>Is everyone does kind of act like it's normal and

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<v Speaker 2>don't talk about it. It's scary, But like this is

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<v Speaker 2>just them saying it's gonna happen in thirty years definitively,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's very interesting in that way. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that also establishes that, like in this movie,

0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:24.920
<v Speaker 2>science kind of is magic because it is gonna save us,

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<v Speaker 2>but like only about twenty people believe that, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the most out there people, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>that adds an element to it. I would also say

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<v Speaker 2>my assumption from watching the movie and how many shots

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<v Speaker 2>they do of the actual whiteboards and of the different

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<v Speaker 2>you know, formulas that he's coming up with and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume that if you are into science, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you're into you know, quantum mathematics and all that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that I cannot do, I would assume that these

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<v Speaker 2>are essentially like gonna hold up. You know, there's at

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<v Speaker 2>least gonna be stuff there where you're like, yeah, that

0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.960
<v Speaker 2>is how you do that. And I will say something

0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.040
<v Speaker 2>that they do that's really funny. In one of the

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<v Speaker 2>flashbacks that work for me as a kind of science

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<v Speaker 2>reader but not a science Noah necessarily, they have this

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<v Speaker 2>great scene when he's first trying to investigating the astrophage

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<v Speaker 2>and they have all of the foreign dignitaries watching through

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<v Speaker 2>a window from around the world, and you see like

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<v Speaker 2>they have no idea what's going on. And then we

0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.879
<v Speaker 2>don't do a good job. They don't try and go

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<v Speaker 2>exposition exposition exposition, But occasionally there are these interactions where

0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.880
<v Speaker 2>he tells you enough that you think, oh, he really knows,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you get these moments where he's really excited

0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and they're super bored and asleep. So there's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>this great conversation about how much can you explain science

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.800
<v Speaker 2>before it becomes unknowable to your audience? And do is

0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.040
<v Speaker 2>it just funner when we celebrate it when we know

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<v Speaker 2>it's going right? So I feel like I'm really interested

0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to see some scientist takes because I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>know if it had kept a similar amount of the

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<v Speaker 2>same level that we got in The Martian, Which was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I like the most about The

0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Martian was just knowing that scientists were like, this could really,

0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.560
<v Speaker 2>this kind of could happen. I was like, Okay, this

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.600
<v Speaker 2>is what we need. This is speculative fiction coming to life,

0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.560
<v Speaker 2>you know. So yeah, it's definitely feels like a science

0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 2>heavy film, and I will say what I think feels

0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.000
<v Speaker 2>very powerful right now. It feels like a very pro

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:27.360
<v Speaker 2>science film, like science is real, science is important, Science

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<v Speaker 2>could save the world. But whatever happens, science is good

0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 2>because it's about being curious and being excited. And look

0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.359
<v Speaker 2>at how excited these kids are about science and you know,

0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I love that because right now, obviously we're in a

0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.160
<v Speaker 2>very anti science time, so it feels even though it

0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.159
<v Speaker 2>is a schmaltzy ish kind of blockbuster popcorn movie, there

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.760
<v Speaker 2>are these elements that make it feel quite subversive, and

0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.360
<v Speaker 2>also the visuals do make it feel like it's pushing

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the boundaries of what we've seen before in these space movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, what I think is interesting about the

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<v Speaker 1>the way we view science currently is what I loved

0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:05.400
<v Speaker 1>about this book was that it was about using science

0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.160
<v Speaker 1>to save the planet, to do something that was good,

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and it was very expensive and it was not clear

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.359
<v Speaker 1>that the return on investment was going to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't do big science things, right go to the

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<v Speaker 1>moon for example, or like whatever, unless there is some military, military,

0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:30.920
<v Speaker 1>or financial reason. There's a yeah, there's like a there's

0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.080
<v Speaker 1>a reason, like a big reason, and of course, like

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the sun going out is a big reason. But as

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.160
<v Speaker 1>we stated like this, I like the way they downplay

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.119
<v Speaker 1>the threat of it in this YAE because it, I mean,

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:48.719
<v Speaker 1>it speaks to I think a more realistic way that

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.440
<v Speaker 1>something like that would be approached in the real world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.200
<v Speaker 1>But you know, like we're surrounded by science. The only

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 1>thing is like what, you know, the dominating science story

0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of the day is how we're using like robots to

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.359
<v Speaker 1>kill people, and everyone who works at a white college

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.240
<v Speaker 1>job is not gonna have a and then they have

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a job in a year because of science. So it's

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>nice to be like to have a story where it's like,

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>we're doing this science thing. It's really expensive, can't tell

0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you what the profit return is going to be, and

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:24.680
<v Speaker 1>we're going to do it because it's good, because.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the good thing that we're doing it. And I will.

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<v Speaker 3>I would also say it's a I think that in

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<v Speaker 3>addition to being very pro science and celebrating intellectualism in

0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 3>a time where that's under attack, I think it's also

0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:42.000
<v Speaker 3>very like pro collaboration because not only is it you know,

0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:46.280
<v Speaker 3>the US and Grace and all these other scientists internationally collaborating,

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:50.159
<v Speaker 3>but then also Grace and Rocky from two different you know,

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.720
<v Speaker 3>galaxies collaborating on this common problem. And I think that's

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 3>throughout the movie, you know, throughout the course of the

0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.520
<v Speaker 3>different experiments and formulations and the thing are trying to

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:04.200
<v Speaker 3>figure out, it's just a series of them solving problems together,

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.679
<v Speaker 3>collaboratively so I think it's also big celebration of just,

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, the collaborative nature of science and how it's

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.199
<v Speaker 3>iterative and you build upon things that come before and

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 3>you find new ways to do things together. So I

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 3>think it's a really big celebration of that as well.

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:19.639
<v Speaker 2>I think that you're writing in because that, to me

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.639
<v Speaker 2>is the element that I found so magical. And also

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 2>in that way, it also does one of my favorite

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.160
<v Speaker 2>things that fiction has been doing recently, which is kind

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.159
<v Speaker 2>of this idea of like science and art and magic

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 2>as all these different kind of interchangeable skills throughout time

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.439
<v Speaker 2>and history, like in which Italia. To do magic, you

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 2>just need to know certain art like ruins and things

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 2>that you would draw and symbols and sigils. And I

0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 2>really loved how so much of this movie because of

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 2>the language barrier, because of the galaxy barrier between Rocky

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and Grace, it begins a lot with drawings and puppet

0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 2>shows and these kind of ideas of you know, the

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 2>ways that people have been communicating to each other for

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 2>centuries and millennia and everything. It was very moving to

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 2>me and very well done.

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk. Let's talk about that because I you know,

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 1>like the relationship between Rocky and Grace is amazing. It

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 1>was the one moment and the it was, you know,

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 1>one of the few moments of the book where in

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.880
<v Speaker 1>a book grounded in science, I'm like, are we anthropomorphic

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 1>pomorphizing this rock too much? Like, yeah, I'm just saying,

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 1>like this rock is, where is this rock from? Like

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 1>how many light years away?

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Are we? Like?

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Are we humanizing him too much? But at the same time,

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:53.679
<v Speaker 1>like absolutely loved it, and I'm not sure there's a

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>way to do this story without doing that. But tell

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:58.840
<v Speaker 1>us about Rocky in the relationship.

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Ian, why don't you still because it's really the heart

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>of the movie, Like that they understood. Yes, that reveal

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 2>is what for a long time made this such a

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 2>word of mouth hit. This kind of don't tell the secret,

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>don't share the reveal, And even when you know the reveal,

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the way they build up to it is very well done.

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And I have to say, at all times, I just

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:21.480
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent believed Yeah, probably Andy Wirn knows that

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.440
<v Speaker 2>if there was a life form, it wouldn't have a face,

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 2>and it kind of looked like a rock. It just

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.159
<v Speaker 2>I totally bore it. So Ian, how did it hit

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 2>for you as someone who hadn't read the book, I think.

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 3>It felt very real, believable, it landed. It is the

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 3>emotional core of the film, that relationship between them, and

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, towards the end, without getting too spoilery, there's

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 3>a moment or two where it's not looking great for Rocky,

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 3>and like I was genuinely like distressed, and I was like,

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.399
<v Speaker 3>oh my God, like, I hope this rock is gonna

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 3>be okay. And so I feel like that's a testament

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 3>to how effective the performance was. But I also think

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 3>the fact that Rocky was a puppet and with a

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 3>little bit of VFX on top, and the fact that

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Ryan had someone to actually act across from and wasn't

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 3>just staring at a tennis ball and all these scenes,

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 3>I think that elevated the performance and made it feel

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 3>more real and palpable, that the chemistry and relationship between them.

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 3>So I really loved it. And to Rosie's point too,

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, he's essentially a talking rock, but I

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 3>think it makes sense if you think about, you know,

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 3>what life would look like from another galaxy.

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>He's done in the movie, Jason, He's not gonna look

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 2>like I will say in that way, they've done something

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>again that I think the well I think they've done

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 2>in this movie that I think is being underplayed. In

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, I think people are spoiled because we have

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 2>so much incredible sci fi, especially with like you know,

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 2>being blessed in a world where we have Apple making

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 2>things like Severance, but they're also making these grand, epic

0:26:55.600 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>scale adaptations of Asimov and shit like they we need

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 2>to understand that there is still stuff that we haven't

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 2>seen on screen, even though we watch a lot of

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff on screen, and there are things in this movie

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 2>that I have never seen the way that they bring

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 2>to life one Rocky, we haven't actually these kind of

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 2>like spiderish, but we haven't really seen an alien like that.

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 2>It's not a genomorph level reimagining, but it's still not

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>a little gray Man, you know. It is different. But

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>the real thing here that I think I have never

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 2>seen before that really just kept stunning me and made

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>me think a lot of kids on a lot of

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 2>drugs are gonna watch this movie over the years is

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:34.400
<v Speaker 2>like Rocky's Ship. The way they bring to life this

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>notion of a ship that is essentially, you know, sort

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:43.439
<v Speaker 2>of filled with light because it's completely woven together. It

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 2>looks unbelievable, Jason, Like, it doesn't look how I imagined it,

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 2>but it looks better. And they constantly play with the light,

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and they constantly play with the rainbows, and they make

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 2>you feel like you're seeing something you haven't seen before.

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 2>And I think in a lot of science fiction and

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>speculative fiction, iron ground it, and this is grounded in science.

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.479
<v Speaker 2>But I would assume that if I've read about the

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 2>potential of an alien ship, they would probably be based

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>on something like this. This idea of a new element

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>that we get here with Zenna Night, where it's xeon

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>gas that's been turned into this kind of three D

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 2>printed material almost. It's such a great invention because it

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 2>makes the puppet shows the way that they interact with

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 2>each other. You still have this very high tech, shiny

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>thing at the center of it, because that is what

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Rocky is using to make these kind of gifts to Grace,

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it is so good. We also get this

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>really fun moment, but I think they don't play too long,

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>which I totally get, but is really fun, where Grace

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 2>runs away when he first sees that there's another ship,

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>and I just love that that is his like human

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>survival and stinc He's like, no, don't need to know,

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Like it doesn't matter. It's the most beautiful thing I've

0:28:56.320 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 2>ever seen. And also I'm going to tell you something

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 2>else they do that is very different, not different from

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 2>the book, where it is different from the book emotionally,

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 2>so at the end, you know, the big choice he

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 2>makes where it's like it's like he has to go

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and save the Iridians or they'll all be dead, but

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>they play it much more into being save Rocky, like

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>that's his only consideration. Like he he decides he's going back.

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have anyone on Earth, and he's like, I

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 2>can either get back to Earth myself or because he

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>realizes that Rocky is, you know, his the the Talmiba

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>that they have found is can eat zena nite because

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>they've raised it in these Xenonite kind of carriers and

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 2>it evolved around it. And he goes back and it

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>is like the biggest emotional moment and it makes the

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>end hit so much better because like the funniest thing

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>about it is in the book, they're like, he does

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>this to be a hero in this They're like he's

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 2>like fuck going back to Earth. I love Rocky. And

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>then in the end he's just chilling on Iridian, like

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:03.959
<v Speaker 2>teaching all these little kids science, these Aridian aliens, and

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>you're like, this man is in the place he's meant

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>to be, Like this is not a compromise. And that

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 2>is kind of amazing too, because again it kind of

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>subverts the notion of like you go home and you're

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 2>a hero and everyone's cheering for you, and instead it's

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>like you go out to space and you realize that

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 2>you just like really want to hang out with a

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 2>rock alien for the rest of your life. So you

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>do it, and it's just like and now you're still teaching,

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, you're living life. It's just a real feel

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>good movie, but also like a very weird movie in

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>a way.

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to grease. I mean, in the book I

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Wanted Grace when he sends the data back, to send

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the data back with like a five minute fuck you, he.

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Kind of does do that in this film a little bit.

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do a really good like

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>they do a video diary that he sends back, and

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>he definitely is like shading her a little bit. But

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>also they are trying to fuck the whole way through

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 2>the movie, and so there's definitely still some sexual tension

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>in the movie, like it's it's never they don't even kiss,

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 2>there's no romance, but the connection that these two weirdos have.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.719
<v Speaker 2>He can't fully beef her, but he does shade her

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit and then admit she was right to

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>send him.

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, because like earlier in the movie when they're

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 3>trying to recruit him and he's like, I'm just a

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 3>science teacher, Like I don't know, They're like, you're you're smart,

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>you'll figure it out. We believe in you. And then

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 3>so at the end when he sends the proback with

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 3>his video diary, he's like explaining everything they discovered and

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 3>he's like, I hope that makes sense, and you guys

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 3>can solve the problem, but if not, you're smart, you'll

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 3>figure it out.

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>And then hangs out just like bye.

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 3>And so I think that was a nice little callback

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 3>and like him just being like, you know, I'm good,

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 3>you guys, this is your problem. Now I'm gonna yeah,

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 3>held my rock home.

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna live on my rock planet, which, by

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the way, I cured of astrophage with my bro so

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 2>my good luck to you now. So I'm very interested

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Jason to catch up with you maybe on like a

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 2>news episode or something and see what you think about

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 2>it with the.

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Change from you and really excited.

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh. Joel asked a great question to Ian, what do

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>you think about we now? Have you know? Gosling here

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>much more what people would presume to be traditional lead

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>compared to your uh Matt Damon in The Martian, who

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 2>I feel like was more in that born action survivalist space.

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>How did it work for you? For me? I'm definitely

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>more of a Gosling head. I like the charm, I

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>like the coziness, the whimsical nature of this movie. How

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>did the two compare for you when you're looking at

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 2>these movies as leads?

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I think this is probably going to be an unpoppular opinion,

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 3>but I think they're both amazing performances. I think Ryan

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Gosling does an amazing job in this movie. But I

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 3>think Matt Damon, just for me as a lead, has

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more juice, yeah, a little bit more charisma.

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 3>I think the kind of like dry humor that Matt

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Damon brings to I think I just personally like that

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more. Ryan Gosling is funny in this movie.

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of heart, but it's goofy. It's a

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of it's goofy. It's very goofy, and I think

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 3>a little more earnest in a way that some people

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 3>might find like corny. But yeah, I still think is

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 3>a great performance. But I think for me, if I'm

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 3>comparing the two, I do think I like Damon's performance

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 3>in The Martian a little bit more. But that's just

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 3>me personally.

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm I like both of them for different reasons,

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>but this is definitely like a preferred version of Andy

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Weir for me. So Gosling works really well. I will say,

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>what is very funny that does connect the two of

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>them is they are peak Like when you're watching him,

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 2>you are like, this is just Ryan Gosling or this

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>is Matt Damon, Like they are that level of casting.

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of funny because you're just watching them.

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 2>This works for me really well because some of the

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I think is really fun here that you know,

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>we've seen it before in like Moon or something. You

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 2>know we've seen Sam Rockwell kind of dancing around a

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 2>spaceship or whatever, but Gosling's goofiness here it really I

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>think makes Grace at an in character in a way

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 2>that he's not if you're not a very smart scientist.

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Because when he's just like hanging out on the you know, ship,

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's drinking vodka and he's got three hats on

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 2>and a pair of sunglasses, like, you're like, yeah, that's

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>probably what I do if I woke up out of

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>a coma. Like he acts this kind of everyman goofy

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 2>silliness that makes I think for people who probably are

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:14.760
<v Speaker 2>good at science, or people who just love the dream big,

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 2>you sort of go, oh, maybe I could survive, you know,

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 2>like maybe there's a way I could find. Maybe I'd

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 2>make friends with the robot and he would just help

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:22.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'd make friends with Rocky and he'd help

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>me because I'm just nice to him, Like he'd help

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 2>me know of the science or whatever. Like So, I

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 2>think it adds a relatability that I can sometimes find

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.280
<v Speaker 2>is lacking from these kind of space movies because often

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 2>they are about and this is part of it. It's

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 2>like a competency fantasy, right, and this movie is a

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 2>competency fantasy. It's imagine if the government was doing good

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>shit and that a guy, a powerful white guy went

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to space and did something good. Like we love a

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>competency fantasy. I is so popular.

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why I love Michael mann movies exactly. The

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 1>criminal perspective is like I like watching movies about people

0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 1>who are good at doing things.

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say to like kind of follow up

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 3>on your point, Rosie. At no point in The Martian

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 3>do you ever think like Matt Damon doesn't know what

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.919
<v Speaker 3>he's doing or isn't going to figure it out. He's

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 3>like he is that dude. And then versus Gosling in

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 3>this movie, like he makes it very clear. It's like

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm just a science teacher, like I'm not an astronaut, like,

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 3>and he's very much like you. He's smart, but you

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 3>like also realize he's figuring it out on the fly,

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 3>and he very much feels like he has like imposter

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 3>syndrome kind of vibe. So like, I think that is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the biggest difference between the two portrayals.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a great point, Ian, and I think that

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 2>that is definitely this is my this is my I've

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:38.359
<v Speaker 2>been overtaked by the oscars, right, So this is where

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.279
<v Speaker 2>I this is my discourse theory. I think that some

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>people are gonna love it and it's gonna be like optimism,

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>but then it's gonna get dragged for being like hope core.

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 2>And then I think other people are gonna be like

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 2>it's too whimsical. It's like it's it's too much, like

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 2>it's too silly. And I think those are gonna be

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>like the two kind of lit like lines, which I

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 2>think is funny because like it's just a movie. Guys

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 2>just enjoyed a movie. It's got some cool stuff to say,

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>but also it's just like a crazy action blockbuster. So actually,

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 2>speaking on that ian where we have quite different where

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.760
<v Speaker 2>do you feel like this could go box office wise?

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Because I know we were talking about this. I think

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a mystery to me. It could be like a

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>huge flot or it could be a billion dollar movie,

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 2>depending on where the public stomach for a hopeful, optimistic,

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>competency fantasy about like the government saving the world can go,

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 2>which I feel like right now could go either way.

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<v Speaker 3>That's tough. I don't know. I think just based on

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 3>like kind of the current landscape, the only things that

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 3>seem to be really doing big numbers right now are

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 3>like animated movie.

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 2>It's true. We loves we love animate and.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, like just comparing this to The Martian, Like

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 3>The Martian had a budget of I believe around one

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 3>hundred million, one hundred and eight million. It did like

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 3>six thirty at the box office. This one has a

0:36:56.040 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 3>budget of two hundred and forty eight million. Obviously, I

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 3>know a different time. Movie industry has changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Time because I loved your point that you would when

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing pre production. You made some really great

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<v Speaker 2>notes talk a little bit about why a movie like

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>The Martian that costs that much could make that much

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>back then, and how that's kind of changed.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, that movie came out in twenty fifteen, so that

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 3>was ten years ago, pre COVID. People's you know, movie

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 3>watching and theater going habits were very different back then

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 3>compared to now. I think movies were also probably a

0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 3>little bit cheaper.

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>To make back then, and cheaper to go see.

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Cheaper to go see all of it. So I think

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 3>that and Matt Damon is a huge star. You know,

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 3>it was very much a Matt Damon star vehicle, So

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that kind of makes sense why it performed

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 3>so well, I just don't think movies are performing the

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.800
<v Speaker 3>same way in our current landscape, and the budget for

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 3>this movie was considerably larger, So I think.

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.399
<v Speaker 2>Also that was like a time when a movie could

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>really break out like an original movie, even if it

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>was adapted from a book, you know, if it wasn't

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 2>like a franchise or ongoing already established Hollywood ipee. Like

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.439
<v Speaker 2>this was that era where we're always like the mid

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>budget thriller, it could still do it, you know. This

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 2>was the end of that era. So I do think

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I do think that you're right. I think The Martian

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 2>was kind of it was almost like an everywhere, everything

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 2>all at once of its time where it just kept

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 2>playing and kept making money where But I do, yeah,

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I don't know where this goes.

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it could top out at like three hundred

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:27.360
<v Speaker 2>or something.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 5>Saying for them, I will say my positive hope will

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 5>take is that this is a movie that made a

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 5>whole movie theater laugh.

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.319
<v Speaker 2>We saw early fan screening. People had bought tickets. Now,

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't sold out, which I do think is always

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:44.879
<v Speaker 2>slightly a worry, but they did have a lot of them,

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 2>and their reactions were good. I feel like everyone was

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 2>enjoying the movie happy, and I'm hoping that this can

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>be a little bit of like a Sinner's Light. It

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>is not sinners like culturally or politically or even just

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 2>like achievement wise visually, but it is a really great

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 2>cinema experience that could drive people back into the movie

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>theaters more than once. And I'm hoping that that is

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the takeaway from this. And I think that because of

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 2>how good the casting is, even of the side characters,

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>me and I him both got super HYPESO did Nick.

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 2>When we saw Millana van Trump. We didn't know she

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.319
<v Speaker 2>was in this movie as one of the scientists, so

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 2>like we, they just have and the Sandra Hilla Ryan

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 2>chemistry is so good and the rocky stuff is so good,

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 2>and the way that it nods to the past. We

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 2>get a little close encounters nod when they first meet

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>with some tapping and some music like but it's not

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 2>that meta Sean Levy level of everything is a reference.

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it has an old timiness and I

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:49.919
<v Speaker 2>think Ryan Gosling brings us to He's got an old

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 2>time Hollywood charm. I think that it brings an old

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 2>timey kind of amblin esque sci fi magic that we

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>haven't necessarily seen in a movie that could be for

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:03.879
<v Speaker 2>families for a while. That's not like And it looks

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 2>so much better than our usual mcusque versions of the

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 2>planet that we've seen before, which is weird because me

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and Ian were talking about this. This movie apparently has

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 2>zero green screen shots, which means a lot of it

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 2>must have been done via volume or projection and massive

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>screenwork and stuff. But it does not look like a

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Man in the West quantummania, Like this looks like you're

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 2>in space, like you would believe it if they said, oh,

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, we somehow were projecting real things from space,

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 2>and it looks different to the space we've seen before

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>because of Andy Wier's you know, love of science, and

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>because of what the movie makers were trying to do.

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 2>So I'm hoping it breaks out, but it feels like

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>if it breaks out, that's the lesser chance for me.

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I want it to be the big breakout,

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.280
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like if it makes three hundred four hundred,

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna be a big win. Amazon makes movies as

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 2>a lost leader essentially, but this does it. It's Amazon

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 2>MGM Studios so you know, it's gonna have this the

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.319
<v Speaker 2>actual cool release. It's gonna hopefully be able to stay

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>in this as for a while. Like I'm I'm willing

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>good things for this movie.

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 3>But to your point, Rosie, actually the fact that there

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 3>is allegedly zero green screen, and you know there's the

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 3>puppetry and everything in a lot of practical sets that

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 3>may have also contributed to the movie being a little

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 3>bit more expensive. But I think this is a question

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about. If this movie is successful, do

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 3>you think this will kind of create a trend of

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 3>shifting back towards doing more practical effects and miniatures and puppets,

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 3>because we all know that looks better. It just looks better,

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 3>but it's it's more expensive and time consuming, and that's

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 3>why studios have shied away from it. But if the

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 3>end result is worth it and it makes enough money

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 3>to be, you know, worth it, do you think we'll

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 3>start seeing more of that?

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Manfully, I love this hope, and I would hope that

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 2>was the case. I think it will be like anything

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>positive in America is going to be incremental. But I

0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 2>do think if this, if this movie made like seven

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 2>hundred billion, do I think that that MCU would suddenly

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 2>be like, well, in doomsday, you know, we have a

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:09.399
<v Speaker 2>lockjaw puppet that we're really excited for people to see,

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Like probably the same way that Sinners started making people

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:16.399
<v Speaker 2>want to release stuff on different you know, sixty five

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 2>mil imax. DNI used an imax for the first time

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 2>on June three. He was talking about the launch I

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.399
<v Speaker 2>went through the other day, so like, I do feel

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>like it's it would incrementally, hopefully push us back in

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 2>the direction away from AI, back towards the notion of

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>what does human imagination look like. I've seen a lot

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 2>of really incredible conversation recently of people sharing old from

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 2>the thirties and forties Disney animated segments from like Sleeping

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Beauty or Cinderella. I think specifically the Cinderella sequence with

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 2>her and that her own reflection is in the bubble,

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.279
<v Speaker 2>and so many kids have been sharing it going, oh

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 2>my god, this is the kind of stuff I imagined as

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.359
<v Speaker 2>a kid, Like the fact you could bring that out

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 2>in real life just with a pen and pay. But

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I think we could be in a good nostalgic turn back,

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:08.280
<v Speaker 2>which has been happening with Vinyl with physical cameras, digital cameras,

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, But I would love I think it

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.480
<v Speaker 2>would be incremental, but I do think it would make

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 2>an impact because money talks, and we know that the

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 2>CG kind of industry, that the way they've been using

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.839
<v Speaker 2>the VFX industry is not sustainable and has not been

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 2>really working out for them either. So I would really

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 2>love to see something like that, but I don't know

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:31.879
<v Speaker 2>for sure. Jason as a book reader, after this conversation,

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 2>if somebody stayed for the spoilers, what are you most

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 2>excited about? Now you're gonna go see it? Like did

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 2>anything that we talked about kind of surprise.

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 1>The visual splendor of this film, like to compare it

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to something like two thousand and one, which I think

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>is a movie that after fifty sixty years sixty.

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 2>I still go see it whenever it's on at the cinema.

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:54.720
<v Speaker 2>That looks good as hell.

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely stands up to anything that you will see today

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:03.399
<v Speaker 1>or will ever see. And so from that perspective, I'm

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.919
<v Speaker 1>super excited. You know, Lord Miller, it's their first live

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 1>action direction since I think like twenty one Jump.

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Street that makes so much sense, and I'm gonna lie

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>for that animation in a big way like this is.

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.360
<v Speaker 1>That's important. And so when you start talking about films

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 1>like two thousand and one, the potential that this film

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 1>could influence, you know, cinematic language going forward is not

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>something that I necessarily had on my.

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Project.

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Hel Mary Bingo card for the adaptation. So that is

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.280
<v Speaker 1>something that I'm super super excited about seeing.

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't wait tell your thoughts about it. Ian,

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for come and see the movie

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<v Speaker 2>China with us.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next week's episodes of Extra Vision, it's news

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<v Speaker 1>and we draft a team of fictional characters who we

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<v Speaker 1>think can take down Homeland or as we prepare for

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<v Speaker 1>the final Sea of the Boys.

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