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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for Project Hail Mary, the film,

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Speaker 1: and the book.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x Revision of the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Company from My Heart podcast, where we're bringing you three episodes.

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Speaker 2: Week plus news. In today's episode, we are going to

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Speaker 2: discuss Project Hail Mary, the hard sci fi epic starring

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Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling. Then Jason will do a deep dive into

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Speaker 2: the hit novel the film was based on written by

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Speaker 2: Andy Ware, who also authored The Martian, which you will

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Speaker 2: hear us talk about a lot today. I presume.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome in super producer Ian.

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Speaker 2: Hey a, Rosie and Ian.

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Speaker 1: You two have seen the film. I have not yet

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Speaker 1: seen the film, but I have read the book. Have

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Speaker 1: you two read the book?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So I have read the trade information on No.

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Speaker 2: We can we do a little booking, A little.

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Speaker 1: Booking, and why don't you let's first do a little

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Speaker 1: non spoiler.

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Speaker 2: How was the movie? Ian start us off? We were

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Speaker 2: both losing it.

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. I really loved it. It's a

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Speaker 3: visually stunning, beautiful, which I'm sure we'll get into a

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Speaker 3: little bit more about the nitty gritty of that. I

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Speaker 3: think Gosling Ryan Gosling's performance was really great, considering especially

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Speaker 3: for a large majority of the film he's like the

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Speaker 3: only person on screen. Yeah, And I think there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of heart and like feel good kind of optimism

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Speaker 3: in the movie, more than I was expecting. So I

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Speaker 3: think it's just like a really like feel good fun watch,

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Speaker 3: visually stunning. I love how hard they leaned into the

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Speaker 3: science of it as well. So yeah, I just really

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the movie. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I went in like sort of not really knowing what

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Speaker 2: lead up, and I was like, this is a good book,

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Speaker 2: but also like, what is this like on screen? Like

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Speaker 2: and the Andy Wierz definitely, like The Martian is quite

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Speaker 2: in a spiritual space with it but also being very

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Speaker 2: on kind of balancing humor and huge steaks. I really

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Speaker 2: love this, Like this definitely tops them at The Martian

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Speaker 2: for me. I think what really makes the movie special

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Speaker 2: is obviously Ryan Gosling. This is that star vehicle. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's had so many because he's so charming. We all

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Speaker 2: know I loved The fall Guy, but it didn't hit

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Speaker 2: for audiences. This is the most charming everyman Ryan Gosling

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Speaker 2: performance you could imagine. But I think that it wouldn't

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Speaker 2: work without the incredible casting of Sandra Hula, who's kind

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Speaker 2: of his straight woman. Together, the two of them bring

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Speaker 2: this unbelievably weird and beautiful and brilliant kind of heart

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Speaker 2: I also want to say this is an incredibly vibey movie.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely more of an amil piece. If you know

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Speaker 2: we go with flashbacks, but there is not necessarily a

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Speaker 2: to hold your hand more. Here it's more like we

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Speaker 2: just join Grace, the main character played by Rang Gosling.

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Speaker 2: Whenever he goes back into a memory or learn something,

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Speaker 2: I think some of the reviews this has got it's

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Speaker 2: three and a half four rather than that this is

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Speaker 2: read in that space were very much like, it kind

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Speaker 1: Shall we go into a spoiler territory? Well, first, do

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Speaker 1: you recommend this movie? I can't wait to see it.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, Oh, this is a top tier recommend. I would

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Speaker 2: go to your five dollars cinema and just totally vibeb out.

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Speaker 2: We were lucky enough to see it in IMAX. It

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Speaker 2: non spoiler that we can talk about Ian just talk

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Speaker 2: a little bit about that stunning visual landscape that Lord

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, you know, in general, like space movies,

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Speaker 3: And I think also just a lot of the framing

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Speaker 3: The colors, just like it's visually stunning in especially seeing

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Speaker 3: in general, you're going I would highly recommend going to

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's definitely very whimsical. Like I

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Speaker 2: And if you don't like that review, you're probably not

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Speaker 2: I was even gonna write that it was cozy two

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Speaker 2: So if you're just a space lover, I think that

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Speaker 2: is another reason to go and see this movie spoiler free.

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Speaker 2: And now we're going to be spoiler.

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Speaker 4: Ing from about the book and the movie, So be one.

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Speaker 1: And we're back behind the curtain of spoiler territory. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to know. There are certain things I just

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Speaker 2: They do not do that. They keep there is no

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Speaker 3: The Martian has that survivalist aspect where he has to

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Speaker 3: This movie doesn't really The Steaks are not rooted in

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Speaker 2: This is much more like the mystery of the first

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Speaker 1: Then uncovering him being woken up early in the yeah,

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Speaker 1: Get the two bros aspect of it. The relationship between

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Speaker 1: That the book for me, it has a very like

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna tell you great news, Okay, they they

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Speaker 1: I understand that there are other nations involved in the mission,

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Speaker 3: different experiments and formulations and the thing are trying to

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00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 3: figure out, it's just a series of them solving problems together,

434
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 3: collaboratively so I think it's also big celebration of just,

435
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: you know, the collaborative nature of science and how it's

436
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 3: iterative and you build upon things that come before and

437
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: you find new ways to do things together. So I

438
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: think it's a really big celebration of that as well.

439
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: I think that you're writing in because that, to me

440
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: is the element that I found so magical. And also

441
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: in that way, it also does one of my favorite

442
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: things that fiction has been doing recently, which is kind

443
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: of this idea of like science and art and magic

444
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: as all these different kind of interchangeable skills throughout time

445
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 2: and history, like in which Italia. To do magic, you

446
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: just need to know certain art like ruins and things

447
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: that you would draw and symbols and sigils. And I

448
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: really loved how so much of this movie because of

449
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: the language barrier, because of the galaxy barrier between Rocky

450
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: and Grace, it begins a lot with drawings and puppet

451
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: shows and these kind of ideas of you know, the

452
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: ways that people have been communicating to each other for

453
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: centuries and millennia and everything. It was very moving to

454
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: me and very well done.

455
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's talk about that because I you know,

456
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: like the relationship between Rocky and Grace is amazing. It

457
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: was the one moment and the it was, you know,

458
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: one of the few moments of the book where in

459
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: a book grounded in science, I'm like, are we anthropomorphic

460
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: pomorphizing this rock too much? Like, yeah, I'm just saying,

461
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: like this rock is, where is this rock from? Like

462
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: how many light years away?

463
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: Are we? Like?

464
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: Are we humanizing him too much? But at the same time,

465
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: like absolutely loved it, and I'm not sure there's a

466
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: way to do this story without doing that. But tell

467
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: us about Rocky in the relationship.

468
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: Ian, why don't you still because it's really the heart

469
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: of the movie, Like that they understood. Yes, that reveal

470
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: is what for a long time made this such a

471
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: word of mouth hit. This kind of don't tell the secret,

472
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: don't share the reveal, And even when you know the reveal,

473
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: the way they build up to it is very well done.

474
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: And I have to say, at all times, I just

475
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: one hundred percent believed Yeah, probably Andy Wirn knows that

476
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: if there was a life form, it wouldn't have a face,

477
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: and it kind of looked like a rock. It just

478
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: I totally bore it. So Ian, how did it hit

479
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: for you as someone who hadn't read the book, I think.

480
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: It felt very real, believable, it landed. It is the

481
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: emotional core of the film, that relationship between them, and

482
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: you know, towards the end, without getting too spoilery, there's

483
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: a moment or two where it's not looking great for Rocky,

484
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: and like I was genuinely like distressed, and I was like,

485
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: oh my God, like, I hope this rock is gonna

486
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: be okay. And so I feel like that's a testament

487
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: to how effective the performance was. But I also think

488
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: the fact that Rocky was a puppet and with a

489
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: little bit of VFX on top, and the fact that

490
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: Ryan had someone to actually act across from and wasn't

491
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: just staring at a tennis ball and all these scenes,

492
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: I think that elevated the performance and made it feel

493
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: more real and palpable, that the chemistry and relationship between them.

494
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: So I really loved it. And to Rosie's point too,

495
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he's essentially a talking rock, but I

496
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: think it makes sense if you think about, you know,

497
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: what life would look like from another galaxy.

498
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: He's done in the movie, Jason, He's not gonna look

499
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: like I will say in that way, they've done something

500
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 2: again that I think the well I think they've done

501
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: in this movie that I think is being underplayed. In

502
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: my opinion, I think people are spoiled because we have

503
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: so much incredible sci fi, especially with like you know,

504
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: being blessed in a world where we have Apple making

505
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 2: things like Severance, but they're also making these grand, epic

506
00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: scale adaptations of Asimov and shit like they we need

507
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: to understand that there is still stuff that we haven't

508
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: seen on screen, even though we watch a lot of

509
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: stuff on screen, and there are things in this movie

510
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: that I have never seen the way that they bring

511
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: to life one Rocky, we haven't actually these kind of

512
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: like spiderish, but we haven't really seen an alien like that.

513
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: It's not a genomorph level reimagining, but it's still not

514
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: a little gray Man, you know. It is different. But

515
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: the real thing here that I think I have never

516
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: seen before that really just kept stunning me and made

517
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: me think a lot of kids on a lot of

518
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: drugs are gonna watch this movie over the years is

519
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: like Rocky's Ship. The way they bring to life this

520
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: notion of a ship that is essentially, you know, sort

521
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: of filled with light because it's completely woven together. It

522
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: looks unbelievable, Jason, Like, it doesn't look how I imagined it,

523
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: but it looks better. And they constantly play with the light,

524
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: and they constantly play with the rainbows, and they make

525
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: you feel like you're seeing something you haven't seen before.

526
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: And I think in a lot of science fiction and

527
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: speculative fiction, iron ground it, and this is grounded in science.

528
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 2: But I would assume that if I've read about the

529
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: potential of an alien ship, they would probably be based

530
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: on something like this. This idea of a new element

531
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: that we get here with Zenna Night, where it's xeon

532
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: gas that's been turned into this kind of three D

533
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: printed material almost. It's such a great invention because it

534
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: makes the puppet shows the way that they interact with

535
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: each other. You still have this very high tech, shiny

536
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: thing at the center of it, because that is what

537
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: Rocky is using to make these kind of gifts to Grace,

538
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: and yeah, it is so good. We also get this

539
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: really fun moment, but I think they don't play too long,

540
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: which I totally get, but is really fun, where Grace

541
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: runs away when he first sees that there's another ship,

542
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: and I just love that that is his like human

543
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: survival and stinc He's like, no, don't need to know,

544
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter. It's the most beautiful thing I've

545
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 2: ever seen. And also I'm going to tell you something

546
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: else they do that is very different, not different from

547
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: the book, where it is different from the book emotionally,

548
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: so at the end, you know, the big choice he

549
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: makes where it's like it's like he has to go

550
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: and save the Iridians or they'll all be dead, but

551
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: they play it much more into being save Rocky, like

552
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: that's his only consideration. Like he he decides he's going back.

553
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't have anyone on Earth, and he's like, I

554
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: can either get back to Earth myself or because he

555
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: realizes that Rocky is, you know, his the the Talmiba

556
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: that they have found is can eat zena nite because

557
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: they've raised it in these Xenonite kind of carriers and

558
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: it evolved around it. And he goes back and it

559
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: is like the biggest emotional moment and it makes the

560
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: end hit so much better because like the funniest thing

561
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: about it is in the book, they're like, he does

562
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: this to be a hero in this They're like he's

563
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: like fuck going back to Earth. I love Rocky. And

564
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: then in the end he's just chilling on Iridian, like

565
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 2: teaching all these little kids science, these Aridian aliens, and

566
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: you're like, this man is in the place he's meant

567
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: to be, Like this is not a compromise. And that

568
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: is kind of amazing too, because again it kind of

569
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: subverts the notion of like you go home and you're

570
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: a hero and everyone's cheering for you, and instead it's

571
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: like you go out to space and you realize that

572
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: you just like really want to hang out with a

573
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: rock alien for the rest of your life. So you

574
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: do it, and it's just like and now you're still teaching,

575
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: like yeah, you're living life. It's just a real feel

576
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: good movie, but also like a very weird movie in

577
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: a way.

578
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: I want to grease. I mean, in the book I

579
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Wanted Grace when he sends the data back, to send

580
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: the data back with like a five minute fuck you, he.

581
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: Kind of does do that in this film a little bit.

582
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do a really good like

583
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: they do a video diary that he sends back, and

584
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: he definitely is like shading her a little bit. But

585
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: also they are trying to fuck the whole way through

586
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: the movie, and so there's definitely still some sexual tension

587
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: in the movie, like it's it's never they don't even kiss,

588
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: there's no romance, but the connection that these two weirdos have.

589
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 2: He can't fully beef her, but he does shade her

590
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: a little bit and then admit she was right to

591
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: send him.

592
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, because like earlier in the movie when they're

593
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: trying to recruit him and he's like, I'm just a

594
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: science teacher, Like I don't know, They're like, you're you're smart,

595
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: you'll figure it out. We believe in you. And then

596
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: so at the end when he sends the proback with

597
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: his video diary, he's like explaining everything they discovered and

598
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: he's like, I hope that makes sense, and you guys

599
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: can solve the problem, but if not, you're smart, you'll

600
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: figure it out.

601
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: And then hangs out just like bye.

602
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: And so I think that was a nice little callback

603
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: and like him just being like, you know, I'm good,

604
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: you guys, this is your problem. Now I'm gonna yeah,

605
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: held my rock home.

606
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna live on my rock planet, which, by

607
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: the way, I cured of astrophage with my bro so

608
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: my good luck to you now. So I'm very interested

609
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: Jason to catch up with you maybe on like a

610
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: news episode or something and see what you think about

611
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: it with the.

612
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: Change from you and really excited.

613
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: Oh. Joel asked a great question to Ian, what do

614
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: you think about we now? Have you know? Gosling here

615
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: much more what people would presume to be traditional lead

616
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: compared to your uh Matt Damon in The Martian, who

617
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: I feel like was more in that born action survivalist space.

618
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: How did it work for you? For me? I'm definitely

619
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: more of a Gosling head. I like the charm, I

620
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: like the coziness, the whimsical nature of this movie. How

621
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: did the two compare for you when you're looking at

622
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: these movies as leads?

623
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: I think this is probably going to be an unpoppular opinion,

624
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: but I think they're both amazing performances. I think Ryan

625
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: Gosling does an amazing job in this movie. But I

626
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: think Matt Damon, just for me as a lead, has

627
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: a little bit more juice, yeah, a little bit more charisma.

628
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: I think the kind of like dry humor that Matt

629
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: Damon brings to I think I just personally like that

630
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Ryan Gosling is funny in this movie.

631
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: It's a lot of heart, but it's goofy. It's a

632
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: lot of it's goofy. It's very goofy, and I think

633
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: a little more earnest in a way that some people

634
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: might find like corny. But yeah, I still think is

635
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: a great performance. But I think for me, if I'm

636
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: comparing the two, I do think I like Damon's performance

637
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: in The Martian a little bit more. But that's just

638
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: me personally.

639
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I like both of them for different reasons,

640
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: but this is definitely like a preferred version of Andy

641
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: Weir for me. So Gosling works really well. I will say,

642
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: what is very funny that does connect the two of

643
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: them is they are peak Like when you're watching him,

644
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: you are like, this is just Ryan Gosling or this

645
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: is Matt Damon, Like they are that level of casting.

646
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: So it's kind of funny because you're just watching them.

647
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: This works for me really well because some of the

648
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: stuff that I think is really fun here that you know,

649
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: we've seen it before in like Moon or something. You

650
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: know we've seen Sam Rockwell kind of dancing around a

651
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: spaceship or whatever, but Gosling's goofiness here it really I

652
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: think makes Grace at an in character in a way

653
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: that he's not if you're not a very smart scientist.

654
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: Because when he's just like hanging out on the you know, ship,

655
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: and he's drinking vodka and he's got three hats on

656
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: and a pair of sunglasses, like, you're like, yeah, that's

657
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: probably what I do if I woke up out of

658
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: a coma. Like he acts this kind of everyman goofy

659
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: silliness that makes I think for people who probably are

660
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: good at science, or people who just love the dream big,

661
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: you sort of go, oh, maybe I could survive, you know,

662
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: like maybe there's a way I could find. Maybe I'd

663
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: make friends with the robot and he would just help

664
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd make friends with Rocky and he'd help

665
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: me because I'm just nice to him, Like he'd help

666
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: me know of the science or whatever. Like So, I

667
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: think it adds a relatability that I can sometimes find

668
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 2: is lacking from these kind of space movies because often

669
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: they are about and this is part of it. It's

670
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: like a competency fantasy, right, and this movie is a

671
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: competency fantasy. It's imagine if the government was doing good

672
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: shit and that a guy, a powerful white guy went

673
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: to space and did something good. Like we love a

674
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: competency fantasy. I is so popular.

675
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I love Michael mann movies exactly. The

676
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: criminal perspective is like I like watching movies about people

677
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: who are good at doing things.

678
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say to like kind of follow up

679
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: on your point, Rosie. At no point in The Martian

680
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: do you ever think like Matt Damon doesn't know what

681
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 3: he's doing or isn't going to figure it out. He's

682
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: like he is that dude. And then versus Gosling in

683
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: this movie, like he makes it very clear. It's like

684
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: I'm just a science teacher, like I'm not an astronaut, like,

685
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: and he's very much like you. He's smart, but you

686
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: like also realize he's figuring it out on the fly,

687
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: and he very much feels like he has like imposter

688
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: syndrome kind of vibe. So like, I think that is

689
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: kind of the biggest difference between the two portrayals.

690
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: That's such a great point, Ian, and I think that

691
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: that is definitely this is my this is my I've

692
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: been overtaked by the oscars, right, So this is where

693
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: I this is my discourse theory. I think that some

694
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: people are gonna love it and it's gonna be like optimism,

695
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: but then it's gonna get dragged for being like hope core.

696
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: And then I think other people are gonna be like

697
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: it's too whimsical. It's like it's it's too much, like

698
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: it's too silly. And I think those are gonna be

699
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: like the two kind of lit like lines, which I

700
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: think is funny because like it's just a movie. Guys

701
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: just enjoyed a movie. It's got some cool stuff to say,

702
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: but also it's just like a crazy action blockbuster. So actually,

703
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: speaking on that ian where we have quite different where

704
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: do you feel like this could go box office wise?

705
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: Because I know we were talking about this. I think

706
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: it's a mystery to me. It could be like a

707
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: huge flot or it could be a billion dollar movie,

708
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: depending on where the public stomach for a hopeful, optimistic,

709
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: competency fantasy about like the government saving the world can go,

710
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: which I feel like right now could go either way.

711
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: That's tough. I don't know. I think just based on

712
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: like kind of the current landscape, the only things that

713
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: seem to be really doing big numbers right now are

714
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: like animated movie.

715
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: It's true. We loves we love animate and.

716
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Speaker 3: I know, like just comparing this to The Martian, Like

717
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: The Martian had a budget of I believe around one

718
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: hundred million, one hundred and eight million. It did like

719
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: six thirty at the box office. This one has a

720
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: budget of two hundred and forty eight million. Obviously, I

721
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: know a different time. Movie industry has changed.

722
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Speaker 2: Time because I loved your point that you would when

723
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: we were doing pre production. You made some really great

724
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: notes talk a little bit about why a movie like

725
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: The Martian that costs that much could make that much

726
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: back then, and how that's kind of changed.

727
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: Well, that movie came out in twenty fifteen, so that

728
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: was ten years ago, pre COVID. People's you know, movie

729
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: watching and theater going habits were very different back then

730
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: compared to now. I think movies were also probably a

731
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Speaker 3: little bit cheaper.

732
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: To make back then, and cheaper to go see.

733
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 3: Cheaper to go see all of it. So I think

734
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: that and Matt Damon is a huge star. You know,

735
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: it was very much a Matt Damon star vehicle, So

736
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 3: I think that kind of makes sense why it performed

737
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: so well, I just don't think movies are performing the

738
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Speaker 3: same way in our current landscape, and the budget for

739
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: this movie was considerably larger, So I think.

740
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Speaker 2: Also that was like a time when a movie could

741
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: really break out like an original movie, even if it

742
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: was adapted from a book, you know, if it wasn't

743
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: like a franchise or ongoing already established Hollywood ipee. Like

744
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 2: this was that era where we're always like the mid

745
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: budget thriller, it could still do it, you know. This

746
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: was the end of that era. So I do think

747
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: I do think that you're right. I think The Martian

748
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: was kind of it was almost like an everywhere, everything

749
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: all at once of its time where it just kept

750
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: playing and kept making money where But I do, yeah,

751
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I don't know where this goes.

752
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: I think it could top out at like three hundred

753
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: or something.

754
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: Saying for them, I will say my positive hope will

755
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 5: take is that this is a movie that made a

756
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 5: whole movie theater laugh.

757
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: We saw early fan screening. People had bought tickets. Now,

758
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't sold out, which I do think is always

759
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: slightly a worry, but they did have a lot of them,

760
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: and their reactions were good. I feel like everyone was

761
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: enjoying the movie happy, and I'm hoping that this can

762
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: be a little bit of like a Sinner's Light. It

763
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: is not sinners like culturally or politically or even just

764
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: like achievement wise visually, but it is a really great

765
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: cinema experience that could drive people back into the movie

766
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: theaters more than once. And I'm hoping that that is

767
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: the takeaway from this. And I think that because of

768
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: how good the casting is, even of the side characters,

769
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: me and I him both got super HYPESO did Nick.

770
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: When we saw Millana van Trump. We didn't know she

771
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: was in this movie as one of the scientists, so

772
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: like we, they just have and the Sandra Hilla Ryan

773
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: chemistry is so good and the rocky stuff is so good,

774
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: and the way that it nods to the past. We

775
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: get a little close encounters nod when they first meet

776
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: with some tapping and some music like but it's not

777
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: that meta Sean Levy level of everything is a reference.

778
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: I feel like it has an old timiness and I

779
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: think Ryan Gosling brings us to He's got an old

780
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: time Hollywood charm. I think that it brings an old

781
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: timey kind of amblin esque sci fi magic that we

782
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: haven't necessarily seen in a movie that could be for

783
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 2: families for a while. That's not like And it looks

784
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: so much better than our usual mcusque versions of the

785
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: planet that we've seen before, which is weird because me

786
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: and Ian were talking about this. This movie apparently has

787
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: zero green screen shots, which means a lot of it

788
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: must have been done via volume or projection and massive

789
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: screenwork and stuff. But it does not look like a

790
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: Man in the West quantummania, Like this looks like you're

791
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: in space, like you would believe it if they said, oh,

792
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: you know, we somehow were projecting real things from space,

793
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: and it looks different to the space we've seen before

794
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: because of Andy Wier's you know, love of science, and

795
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: because of what the movie makers were trying to do.

796
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping it breaks out, but it feels like

797
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: if it breaks out, that's the lesser chance for me.

798
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: I feel like I want it to be the big breakout,

799
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: but I feel like if it makes three hundred four hundred,

800
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a big win. Amazon makes movies as

801
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 2: a lost leader essentially, but this does it. It's Amazon

802
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: MGM Studios so you know, it's gonna have this the

803
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: actual cool release. It's gonna hopefully be able to stay

804
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: in this as for a while. Like I'm I'm willing

805
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: good things for this movie.

806
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: But to your point, Rosie, actually the fact that there

807
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: is allegedly zero green screen, and you know there's the

808
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: puppetry and everything in a lot of practical sets that

809
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: may have also contributed to the movie being a little

810
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: bit more expensive. But I think this is a question

811
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: I was thinking about. If this movie is successful, do

812
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: you think this will kind of create a trend of

813
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: shifting back towards doing more practical effects and miniatures and puppets,

814
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: because we all know that looks better. It just looks better,

815
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: but it's it's more expensive and time consuming, and that's

816
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: why studios have shied away from it. But if the

817
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: end result is worth it and it makes enough money

818
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: to be, you know, worth it, do you think we'll

819
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: start seeing more of that?

820
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: Manfully, I love this hope, and I would hope that

821
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: was the case. I think it will be like anything

822
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: positive in America is going to be incremental. But I

823
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: do think if this, if this movie made like seven

824
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: hundred billion, do I think that that MCU would suddenly

825
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: be like, well, in doomsday, you know, we have a

826
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: lockjaw puppet that we're really excited for people to see,

827
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: Like probably the same way that Sinners started making people

828
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: want to release stuff on different you know, sixty five

829
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: mil imax. DNI used an imax for the first time

830
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: on June three. He was talking about the launch I

831
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 2: went through the other day, so like, I do feel

832
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: like it's it would incrementally, hopefully push us back in

833
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: the direction away from AI, back towards the notion of

834
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: what does human imagination look like. I've seen a lot

835
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: of really incredible conversation recently of people sharing old from

836
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: the thirties and forties Disney animated segments from like Sleeping

837
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: Beauty or Cinderella. I think specifically the Cinderella sequence with

838
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: her and that her own reflection is in the bubble,

839
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: and so many kids have been sharing it going, oh

840
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: my god, this is the kind of stuff I imagined as

841
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: a kid, Like the fact you could bring that out

842
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: in real life just with a pen and pay. But

843
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: I think we could be in a good nostalgic turn back,

844
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: which has been happening with Vinyl with physical cameras, digital cameras,

845
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: stuff like that, But I would love I think it

846
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: would be incremental, but I do think it would make

847
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: an impact because money talks, and we know that the

848
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: CG kind of industry, that the way they've been using

849
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: the VFX industry is not sustainable and has not been

850
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: really working out for them either. So I would really

851
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: love to see something like that, but I don't know

852
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: for sure. Jason as a book reader, after this conversation,

853
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: if somebody stayed for the spoilers, what are you most

854
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: excited about? Now you're gonna go see it? Like did

855
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: anything that we talked about kind of surprise.

856
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: The visual splendor of this film, like to compare it

857
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: to something like two thousand and one, which I think

858
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: is a movie that after fifty sixty years sixty.

859
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: I still go see it whenever it's on at the cinema.

860
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 2: That looks good as hell.

861
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely stands up to anything that you will see today

862
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: or will ever see. And so from that perspective, I'm

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Speaker 2: Street that makes so much sense, and I'm gonna lie

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Speaker 2: for that animation in a big way like this is.

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Speaker 1: That's important. And so when you start talking about films

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Speaker 1: like two thousand and one, the potential that this film

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Speaker 1: could influence, you know, cinematic language going forward is not

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Speaker 3: Project.

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Speaker 1: Hel Mary Bingo card for the adaptation. So that is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait tell your thoughts about it. Ian,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for come and see the movie

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Speaker 2: China with us.

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Speaker 1: On the next week's episodes of Extra Vision, it's news

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Speaker 1: and we draft a team of fictional characters who we

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Speaker 1: think can take down Homeland or as we prepare for

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Speaker 1: the final Sea of the Boys.

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Speaker 4: Oh you're not ready for that episode, guys.

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