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Speaker 1: and we're going to have a great hour with John

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Speaker 1: on a variety of topics from Georgia Texas to Kansas

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Speaker 1: City San Francisco Eagles Giants. So the Steelers beat the

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Speaker 1: Jets thirty seven to fifteen. It is the most points

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Speaker 1: Jets have now surrendered sixty points since Robert Sala, the

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Speaker 1: best coach on their staff, is fired. So I was

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Speaker 1: just thinking about this, so I wrote down how every

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Speaker 1: Jets game has gone blown out, ugly win, dominating win,

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Speaker 1: close loss, ugly loss. There are two and five football

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Speaker 1: team and the Steelers are five and two. And if

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Speaker 1: you watch tonight the Steelers offense, I mean it may

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Speaker 1: have been ugly for Russell Wilson in that first quarter,

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Speaker 1: it was really ugly, but second half he was the

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Speaker 1: better quarterback. So two takeaways. The Jets fired Robert Sala

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Speaker 1: the defense in the last two games. I said it

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Speaker 1: at the time, you just fired the best coach in

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Speaker 1: your staff. The defense has not played up to a

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Speaker 1: Robert Solis standard since he was fired. That's what change does.

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Speaker 1: So now Aaron is asked to be better than he

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Speaker 1: thinking about Russell Wilson because obviously I was a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of Seattle. Then Denver was the hacket eyear was

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Speaker 1: And then I went and looked at the numbers for

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson in Denver, and because Sean had such disdain

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Speaker 1: for him, you know, there was this sense that Russell

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Speaker 1: What happened, I mean the same guys. Basically, they didn't

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Speaker 1: have many draft picks, right, they gave him up to

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Speaker 1: get Russell Wilson, so they went and got a kid

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Speaker 1: from Utah defensive end. They just didn't have any picks

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Speaker 1: once and got a receiver or two. So Russell last

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Speaker 1: year in Denver with Sean Payton, and they didn't they

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Speaker 1: ninety eight passer rating, sixty six percent completion percentage, twenty

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Speaker 1: And Pittsburgh ran the ball. You know, it's the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: And just go look at how valuable Mahomes movement was today,

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Speaker 1: a messy season for a franchise that cannot get out

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Speaker 1: I just cannot believe what I watched the night. Sports

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna spend some time on Kansas City and

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, both teams you know, hemorrhaging wide receivers. And

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Speaker 1: I thought this is the real separator between Mahomes and

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Speaker 1: a good quarterback. Mahomes had an ugly pick, Brock had

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Speaker 1: a multiple picks. Brock had three, But there were three

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Speaker 1: to pay Brock pretty we know they're gonna pay him.

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Speaker 1: But in this moment, and again it's Mahomes, but I

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Speaker 2: Right, Like I got no problem paying Josh Allen after

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Speaker 2: they are banged up at wide receiver because I use it.

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Speaker 2: We were talking before you hopped on, like if they

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Speaker 2: just had Tyreek Hill, they'd be unbeatable. Well, he's been

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Speaker 2: gone for a while. Let's just say Rice was healthy,

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Speaker 2: Patako was healthy, Hollywood Brown had played the rest of

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Speaker 2: their guys were playing with worthy. This team would go

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Speaker 2: sixteen and one with these I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that if they were remotely healthy, they'd be unbeatable because

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Speaker 2: their defense is dominant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean John Rashi Rice when he was healthy,

436
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Speaker 1: he was a one.

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Speaker 2: So he's become big time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's become a one. He's not justin Jefferson, but

439
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Speaker 1: he's a one.

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Speaker 2: So the Niners can't score in the red zone and

441
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs in theory shouldn't be able to either, but

442
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Speaker 2: they manipulate it and they are able to find it

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Speaker 2: because of coaching. And this is I noticed this last

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Speaker 2: week in the Seattle Thursday Night game. Is there were

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Speaker 2: a couple of play or two weeks ago, you know,

446
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Speaker 2: Ryan Grubb, a couple of plays didn't hit. But it

447
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: was like, damn, those guys were open. It was just off.

448
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Speaker 2: If the Niners played Seattle every week because they owned Geno,

449
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Speaker 2: they'd win fifteen games. But when they played, when they

450
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Speaker 2: played Seattle, you're like, that's the old Niners. And then

451
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Speaker 2: they play these other teams and they kind of look

452
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Speaker 2: like a show of themselves. Today was weird. Obviously, guys

453
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Speaker 2: got injured and sick, but I just can't do excuses

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Speaker 2: when the Chiefs are playing that way too. You still

455
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Speaker 2: got both out there. You still got Fred Warner, Tarvarius Ward,

456
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Speaker 2: you got a lot of money's worth money worth of players.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the chief there is twenty eight points, but

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Speaker 2: there was a late touchdown. The Chiefs had struggled to

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Speaker 2: get to twenty again for the majority of the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're at home there. Kansas City literally

461
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Speaker 1: has no hole. San Francisco has a red zone hole,

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Speaker 1: a special teams hole, a broad pretty in big spots hole.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are now established issues. The red zone,

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Speaker 1: it's established special teams. San Francisco. It's established. Brought pretty

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Speaker 1: in the red zone, can't make plays, it's established. Brady

466
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Speaker 1: said something today about this. He's like, I mean, he's

467
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Speaker 1: trying to be kind, but like, at one point, these linebackers,

468
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Speaker 1: these no name linebackers for Kansas City, now Bolton, everybody knows,

469
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Speaker 1: but it's like, who are these guys? They got injuries,

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Speaker 1: they're they're I mean, they just it is a you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like when New England was dominating, You're like, I

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Speaker 1: don't really think I don't really think they have the

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Speaker 1: best roster, but they had the best offensive line coach,

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Speaker 1: the best coach, and the best quarterback in the best

475
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Speaker 1: tight end. And you started looking around and you're like,

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Speaker 1: where aren't they great? And you're like, well, they don't

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Speaker 1: get a lot of sacks, and then you look up

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Speaker 1: and you go, oh, there were second in the league

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Speaker 1: in pressures. They were kind of a holeless team. They

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Speaker 1: weren't great everywhere. They were terrible nowhere Kansas City, best coach,

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Speaker 1: best defensive coordinator, best quarterback, best general manager. I just

482
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Speaker 1: don't if Rashi Rice can play. This team's winning three straight.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see anybody be I text someone today.

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Speaker 2: You know who they feel like right now is the

485
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Speaker 2: Alabama Saban dynasty where players changed some years. You to

486
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Speaker 2: watch them, you're like, oh, they're not as good as

487
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Speaker 2: previous years. And then the dust settled and they're right

488
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Speaker 2: there at the championship game. You're like, how the hell

489
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Speaker 2: did they do this? And it was because of Saban

490
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Speaker 2: in the program, and Saban in the program for the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs is Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, And I think

492
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Speaker 2: Spags they have a unique thing going because their defensive

493
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Speaker 2: coordinator is probably never going to become a head coach,

494
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Speaker 2: So they get this guy that now is institutional knowledge,

495
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Speaker 2: who's elite at his job, and they're all they have

496
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Speaker 2: this cohesion. So many teams, you got the coaches not

497
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Speaker 2: agreeing with the GMS and the owner. It's like they're

498
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Speaker 2: all on the same page. Andy Veach, Mahomes, Spags, they're

499
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Speaker 2: all speaking the same lange which and they have the

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Speaker 2: best quarterback in the biggest spots even when he's not

501
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Speaker 2: playing well. Isn't he used the Michael Jordan reference, you know,

502
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. Even when they were playing

503
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Speaker 2: their worst, you still believe when it mattered the most

504
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: they were going to come through. And isn't that Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: I don't he could throw seventeen picks in the game

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter in a HI game. I believe

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Speaker 2: he's gonna make it.

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Speaker 1: No. There was once they trailed seven to three off

509
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Speaker 1: stuffing a block punt and getting a pick, and I

510
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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that was your moment, that that's where

511
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: that's where a Baltimore could take a fourteen to three lead.

512
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Speaker 1: And you're like, oh shit, now Kansas City's reeling and

513
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Speaker 1: has to bail water. But if you can't, if you

514
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Speaker 1: can't nail those down, then that's not it. You're just

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Speaker 1: not going to do it. So I and by the way,

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Speaker 1: the IU drop early in the game is it's just

517
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Speaker 1: it's just bad karma holding out.

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Speaker 2: He's had a lot of them calling this year. I

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Speaker 2: mean he said five or six.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I he had year left and he decided I'm

521
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Speaker 1: holding out with a year left on his contract. There's

522
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Speaker 1: gonna be some animosity. I don't think Kyle's holding it

523
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Speaker 1: against him. In fact, after the drop he patted him

524
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Speaker 1: on the sidelines. He's like, Okay, we need you. But

525
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Speaker 1: there is something to be said this I we don't

526
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: want the NFL to become the NBA. You'll get paid

527
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Speaker 1: if you're great. We know, even running backs. Now, Saquon

528
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get paid. You're Austin Eckler. Somebody's gonna want you.

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Speaker 1: I mean running backs had a huge weekend. You're gonna

530
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Speaker 1: get paid. But you hold out a year early. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look how fast Odell Beckham became irrelevant. I mean, it

532
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: takes one injury to a player in this league. They're

533
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: not tackling you in pro basketball. It takes one injury,

534
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: next man up, and you're just not needed. And so

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Speaker 1: I think, Ayuk he's needed on this team. I think

536
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Speaker 1: Cowling the fourth round picks better than pearsall potentially. I

537
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Speaker 1: think he runs better.

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Speaker 2: You fly.

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Speaker 1: So listen, it's it's you know.

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Speaker 2: Niners are in trouble. Luckily they got the Cowboys. Come

541
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Speaker 2: and up. Sunday night football Jesus might might be a

542
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: get right game. The Chiefs are we looking at fourteen

543
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Speaker 2: and three and then the dust settles and you go,

544
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Speaker 2: how the hell did they just do that? Like kind

545
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Speaker 2: I mean, Andy is really kind of establishing himself. And

546
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Speaker 2: we've had this argument before, but he has a couple, three, four,

547
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Speaker 2: five more years. I mean, and he's not like he

548
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: plays golf. I mean he's not as long as he's healthy.

549
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Speaker 2: He's coaching for the foreseeable future. I think we talked Belichick, Lombardi,

550
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Speaker 2: Andy Reid. You know, I mean, this is this is

551
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Speaker 2: remarkable that the stuff he's doing right now in the

552
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Speaker 2: end of.

553
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Speaker 1: The two great The three best coaches in my lifetime

554
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Speaker 1: are Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid. Now, I

555
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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of there's some Jimmy Johnson's, you know,

556
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Speaker 1: young John Madden. There's some really, really really good coaches

557
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Speaker 1: out there. But to me, I'm not going.

558
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Speaker 2: To get home grown. Was pretty damn good with the ball.

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Speaker 1: God, he was great homegrown. It was great. Hassleback on

560
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Speaker 1: that Seahawk team. Name five guys on that team. I

561
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Speaker 1: just sean Alexander Hasselback can't name the defenders. Holmegrin was sensational.

562
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Speaker 1: So listen, I think it's Bill Walsh, It's Belichick, it's

563
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, and yeah, get right game.

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Speaker 2: I think I think Kyle really needs to look at

565
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Speaker 2: Andy and just see how he's adapted. I know he's

566
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Speaker 2: much older, but you have to be willing to adapt

567
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Speaker 2: your offensive play calling. You can't just be so beholden

568
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Speaker 2: to one thing. You know, for a long time, when

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Speaker 2: Andy was young, it was just throw the ball, throw

570
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Speaker 2: the ball, wouldn't run the ball. Yes, well, Philly's team

571
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: has become dominant. He's much more inclined to just include.

572
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Speaker 2: He's always thrown the ball to the running back, even

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Speaker 2: when he got to Kansay Jamal Charles. But I would

574
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Speaker 2: say these last five years with Butchaco that they are

575
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Speaker 2: just much more likely to today. He's got Kareem Hunt

576
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Speaker 2: off the street and they're just handed him the rock.

577
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Speaker 2: He will He'll do whatever it takes. Now, it's not

578
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Speaker 2: about style points. And I see Kyle sometimes like my

579
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: offense or the Highway. It's like, well, Kyle, you your

580
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: specific thing. You have to there's so many different flavors

581
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Speaker 2: now of offense. You have to integrate some different stuff

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Speaker 2: into your packages. And I think he's very hardheaded that way,

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Speaker 2: and I think that limits them sometimes in the in

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Speaker 2: the red zone. I think it's why it's hard. In

585
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Speaker 2: a weird way, it's easy to play quarterback for him

586
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: because it's a quarterback friendly offense. When you're running the ball,

587
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: But it can be difficult when things go wrong because

588
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: it's kind of there's only one thing to do.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tom Brady because he was drafted in the

590
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Speaker 1: sixth round and to some degree because Kurt Warner wasn't drafted.

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00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: Those are complete Haley's comments. Those are outliers. Brock Pritty

592
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: was passed over by everybody six times, most teams seven times.

593
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: Is that he's he's he's clearly cognitively, very sharp, accurate

594
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Speaker 1: thrower of the football. But in these big spots you

595
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: can see that. You can see the lower round like

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's fourth round pick, you can see it. Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins movement, you can see it. And this sport. I

598
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: watched Dedeur Sanders again this weekend. That kid is moving,

599
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: putting balls into teeny teeny windows. There is something to

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Speaker 1: be saved for first round picks, something to be said

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Speaker 1: for first round picks. It's time for this week's player

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Speaker 1: Detroit thirty one, Minnesota twenty nine. So for years I

612
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Speaker 1: love the quarterback position. I talk about it, and for

613
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: years the one guy I've really supported is Jared Goff,

614
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: and people have shit on him for years, and I've

615
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: said he's a much better version of Matt Ryan. And

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was a really really good quarterback and an

617
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Speaker 1: MVP and got to a Super Bowl and probably should

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Speaker 1: have won one if not for one of the great

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Speaker 1: catches Julian Edelman in the history of the sport. He

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Speaker 1: went to Super Bowl. Goff was on a freaking heater

621
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Speaker 1: the last two three weeks. I mean, he's twenty two

622
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Speaker 1: to twenty five, two touchdowns, two hundred and eighty one

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Speaker 1: yards with this when he had Andrew Whitworth and mcvahan

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Speaker 1: in the Rams. And now he's a better version of

625
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: that because he got more snaps with Detroit. John He

626
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: is all steak and no sizzle, but is a pure

627
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: thrower of the football. He's like he is feeling it.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that's hit. He's like when you know

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Speaker 1: when Steph gets all those hit five straight threes, They're like, Okay,

630
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Speaker 1: this stuff is He's unconn just golf. Today was just

631
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: spin of it. He threw a couple of balls in

632
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Speaker 1: the coverage. Remember this is Brian Flores, who has befuddled

633
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Speaker 1: pretty in j. C.

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Speaker 2: Stroud.

635
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Speaker 1: I mean literally flummes them. I'm looking at Jared Goff today.

636
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Speaker 1: We've had two years of this guy. Take out Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure in a third down and his seven

638
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: take out Mahomes, I'm not sure there's another quarterback in

639
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: the league I want throwing the ball. He's that good.

640
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought there were three games a

641
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: day early. You felt the intensity that felt like playoff games.

642
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: Obviously the Niners Chiefs, the Packers in Houston, and obviously

643
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: I think the game of the day was that the

644
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: Minnesota Detroit game. If you hit him, he can't move around.

645
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: But their offense, their offensive line is fantastic. Their offensive coordinator.

646
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: I don't quite understand his deal. Why he's kind of

647
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: scared to be a head coach what's going on there,

648
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: But he is brilliant. Yeah, and their general manager in

649
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: front officer deserves a lot of credit because it's been

650
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: good for a long time. The guy guy to a

651
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: super Bowl with McVeigh. He went through the downturn when

652
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: he hurd his thumb and McVeigh and him had the

653
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: weird fallof But when they got down. One thing that

654
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: happens in Minnesota, when you get down early, it's like, God,

655
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: are they going to overwhelm the Lions because that place

656
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: gets super loud. They've been up when they started the

657
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: first couple of games and they just kind of boat

658
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: race you. And that didn't happen today. And I think

659
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: the Lions like today might be one of their grittiest

660
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: wins in the last couple of years. But I'm with you.

661
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Jared Goff he's a throwback. I mean,

662
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: there aren't many guys. I mean, he's better than Cousins

663
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: at this point.

664
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: Is he is he the last pure pocket quarterback taking

665
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: number one pure pocket?

666
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: Well, I just don't think we see those guys ever

667
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: again in college. Yeah, they just don't really exist. I mean,

668
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: I think he's a throwback in the sense that that

669
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: will never come up into You know, when you just

670
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: watch college football these last three or four years, when

671
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: do you ever see a good player that plays like

672
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: Jared Goff? Even I watched the USC Penn State game

673
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: because I missed a lot of it last That quarterback

674
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: is a little bit old school, but he moves a

675
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: lot better than Goff. Right aller for Penn State. You know,

676
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: I just don't think you see the flaccos. The elis

677
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: the philip rivers. So those guys have to master getting

678
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: rid of the ball, being accurate, knowing the offense, like

679
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: you have to be perfect. You watch Jordan Love today,

680
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: he's just kind of free with it doesn't matter, Like, yeah,

681
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: I think you need to work on the fundamentals a

682
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: little bit like Jared Goff's fundamentals have to be perfect

683
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: because he can't move outside the little radius. And they

684
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: got so many good players, they got such a great

685
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: offensive scheme, and it feels when you watch him like

686
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: this guy has mastered his offense. The timing of the throws,

687
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: the timing of the throws, and one thing I think

688
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: he really developed. I remember he got shit on pretty hardcore.

689
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: That first year with Jeff Fisher and then the divorce

690
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: with Sean McVay was not pretty right because I kind

691
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: of took Sean mcvay's side. I'm like, man, maybe this guy,

692
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: you know, saying I think I don't remember a guy

693
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: coming back and going this guy remember when Alex Smith

694
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: resurrected his career, Like this guy's mentally tough, you know.

695
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: I think Jared go falls under that. You're like, this

696
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: guy's got some mental fortitude to play for that coach too,

697
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: who let's face it, is much more of a tough

698
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: guy raw Rod, not exactly, you know. I mean that's

699
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: kind of the style with Detroit. We're gonna out toughya

700
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: mentally and physically. And I think, you know, Jared Goff

701
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: fits that mold perfectly. Flacco did for a long period

702
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: of time with Baltimore. Just a tough guy. And I

703
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: think Jared Goff it's not even debatable. I mean, he's

704
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: just been fan his career. These last couple of years

705
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: in Detroit. You could argue was more impressive than what

706
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: he did in La Oh it is because everyone kicked

707
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: him to the curb. I saw stat today, like he's

708
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: the first guy since like Kurt Warner back in his prime,

709
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: to have three straight games of one hundred and forty

710
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 2: plus QBR. I think the other guy's like Peyton Manning

711
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: over the last twenty five years. Yeah, I mean the

712
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: numbers over the last three three weeks or eye opening.

713
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: But their talent that draft colin a couple of years

714
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: ago where they got Gibbs Laporta. How about Brian Branch

715
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: who had a fantastic picked today. He had another one

716
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: that was called back because the guy stepped out of bounds,

717
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: but it looked like he returned a touchdown. The impact

718
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: players they got in that draft to overcome the Hutchinson injury.

719
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: I was tempted to bet on Detroit, but I was like,

720
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: that's a pretty huge emotional letdown losing that guy and

721
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 2: then they're down ten to nothing. I'm like, glad I

722
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: didn't do that. That team is very, very They got

723
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: a little Ravens and Chiefs like toughness to them, don't they.

724
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's Sam Darnold, by the way, twenty two

725
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: to twenty seven. Sam moves very well. Sam didn't play bad.

726
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect situation. I mean, justin Jefferson

727
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: just changes everything. I mean. But Sam, Sam made a

728
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: couple of deep throws today. I think in the second

729
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: half he was like thirteen or fourteen.

730
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: He was brilliant. The second half he was.

731
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: He hit Jordan Addison on a big play. I think Sam,

732
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: he's good. I don't know how far Kansas, how far

733
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: Minnesota goes in the playoffs, because I really do feel

734
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: like I feel like Detroit's now become the class of

735
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: the NFC. I really feel that.

736
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, I think Minnesota's pretty good.

737
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: Colin I say they're gonna win the Super Bowl, but

738
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: there are no like one and in the playoffs they

739
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: could beat anybody down. They probably play on the road,

740
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: so who knows, depending on the venue. But they're good,

741
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: well coached, they got firepower. Detroit's on a slightly another level.

742
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: But I was impressed with Minnesota today.

743
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: So I think Detroit's the best team in the NFC,

744
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: and then I think there's two or three teams behind them,

745
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: Green Bay and Minnesota. But Darnold made a throw to

746
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: Jefferson for a touchdown. He made a throat to Jordan Addison.

747
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: The thing about Sam, you got to eat some of

748
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: the reckless you do with a Hey, Alan Mahomes, you

749
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: just got to eat some of it. But Sam, he's

750
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: a playmaker. And I think in the NFL, I think

751
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: the highs of Minnesota maybe higher than Detroit, but the

752
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: lows will be lower. I kind of feel now with Detroit,

753
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: John I get the exact same game every weekend, the

754
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: exact same game, dominant O line. And you know it's

755
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: funny that you think, oh, they'll go out and they'll

756
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: replace Hutchison, and they made Jacksonville one. Had they lost,

757
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: I think they had just emptied the roster, perhaps to

758
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: get more picks. But when I watched that game Detroit

759
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: Minnesota today, your takeaway had to be these are two

760
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: of the top four teams in the NFC. I think, yeah, I.

761
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: Think the one pitch the Lions have that no one

762
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: else has that their offense top to bottom is like

763
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: the Kadie you know Warriors. I mean, they got an

764
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: elite offensive line. They have a quarterback who's approven Pro

765
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: Bowl guy and can win playoff games. They have everything

766
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: at wide receiver. They got a possession guy who's elite.

767
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: They have a speed guy who's one of the fastest

768
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: guys in the league. They have, you know, when he's healthy,

769
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: one of the best tight ends in the league. They

770
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: have multiple dominant running backs. I mean, they got one

771
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: of the more physical guys in Montgomery and Gibbs is

772
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, the young version of Alvin Kamara. I mean,

773
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: how good is that guy? His speed he had, he

774
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: had a run to day. He looked like Barry Sanders

775
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: in the open field, making the guy miss on the

776
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: touchdown and then their play caller because it's cohesion. Usually

777
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: most teams in this scenario that guy has just become

778
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: a head coach, had a new name filling that spot,

779
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: and it's usually little Rocky Well, this guy just keeps

780
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: turning down head coaching jobs and the offense keeps getting

781
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: better and in that spot today, like it wasn't about

782
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: trick plays, which they love to pull out. Today was

783
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: about you got to call big their downs. We're gonna

784
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: need big explosive plays and especially down early. And yeah,

785
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Dan Campbell is a guy, and

786
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: rightfully so after that press conference, He's obviously speaks a

787
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: little different than a lot of these like intellectual offensive guys,

788
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: even though ironically Dan Campbell is an offensive guy, but

789
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: he's got a little more harbaught to him, feels a

790
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: little more offensive defensive lineman. He what the hell's the

791
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: difference between him and like one of the Harbob brothers.

792
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: I mean, this is I understand it's the NFL, so

793
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: that every team has money and if you draft well,

794
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: you can turn around. But that's just not the way

795
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: it works. I mean, there's a reason the Lions always sucked,

796
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: the Jags always the same teams are always bad. He

797
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: has turned the Lions into a power. It'd be one

798
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: thing if it's like, oh it was one year. No,

799
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: this is like the thing and this is different this year.

800
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: Everyone's gunning for him, right, Everyone takes some serious. They're

801
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: not sneaking up on anybody.

802
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they don't have the owner of

803
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Kansas City, but I think it's hard to watch Detroit

804
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: and not go front office out of this world, coach

805
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: culture center. Their schematic guy is Ben Johnson. Best offensive

806
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: line in football, best run game in football behind that

807
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: old line. I mean, if you told me today I

808
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: had to bet Kansas City against Detroit and the Super

809
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: Bowl and the field, I may take the Chiefs and

810
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: the Lions. That's how strongly I felt today, and.

811
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: The Chiefs would be a tough matchup for him, or

812
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean the Lions would be a tough match for

813
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: the Chiefs because it's hard for the Chiefs gets twenty points,

814
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: so even if the Lions play bad, they can get

815
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: to twenty five kind of with their eyes closed. That's

816
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: the thing. Now, it'd be hard to bet against the

817
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: Chiefs and they honestly, they'd probably be an underdog. But

818
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: that's where the Hutchinson injury. I think you feel even

819
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: more confident getting aggressive because like this is you look

820
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: around the league, like, why wouldn't you like Jane Raiders,

821
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: are you sure? Like you guys are going nowhere? What

822
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: do you want for Max?

823
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I said this week on FS one, Detroit

824
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: is one of the only teams in the league they

825
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: don't have a need now that branch is on the

826
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: back end, It's like, just give up your first round pick,

827
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: Just go get the best guy this team for about

828
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: another year. Can withstand giving up a first They've hit

829
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: on so many picks. Yeah, I mean even even Kansas City.

830
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: You'd be like, don't give away that first round pick,

831
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: Go get a tackle, Go get an offensive tackle. Like

832
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: at thirty one. There's a kid, there's some there's some

833
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: kid offensive tackle. I think Arizona may have one. Go

834
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: get a tackle, Detroit. They got their tackles, the receivers,

835
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: a deep threat, two backs, tight end, edge rusher. They

836
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: don't have needs. I would give up a first rounder

837
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: for that. And by the way, Hudge comes back, you

838
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: have two for you have two edge rushers.

839
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: So what good luck beating me next year? All my

840
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: guys are under contract.

841
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I want to talk about this game. Third

842
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: former scout of the Eagles twenty eight to three win

843
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: over the New York Giants. Eagles twenty eight Giants three.

844
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: There was a couple of things. First of all, it's

845
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a bad day in the Giants facility. Bad

846
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: bad day in the Giants facility. So Daniel Jones got

847
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: benched at the start of the fourth. Andrew Thomas is out,

848
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: which just I should have bet this game. J Mack did.

849
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: He tried to talk me into it. You take Andrew

850
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: Thomas out. This team can't move the ball. But they

851
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: benched Daniel Jones at the start of the fourth. Jalen

852
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: Hurts was bad on third down, but sakwon Barkley jammed

853
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: it right down the Giants throat and John It's one

854
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: thing if somebody comes back, Johnny Damon comes back to

855
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: haunt you, you know, if you're a Red Sox fan,

856
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: this was like the most predictable facial in the league.

857
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: And I looked at that and I thought, it's gonna

858
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: be a bad day. Like it over for Daniel Jones,

859
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: Like today when they benched him started the fourth, that

860
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: was just he was kind of like they waved the

861
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: white flag on Daniel Jones. And probably the season.

862
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: I know you talked to a lot of people in

863
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: the NFL. I can't tell you how many people their

864
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: jaw hit the floor when the you know, the videos

865
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: that came out of that Hard Knocks and the things

866
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: they allowed, and obviously it has to go through the

867
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: GM and the head coach, but I would imagine the owner,

868
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: like if the owner did not want him saying I

869
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: don't know if I can sleep if he's on the Eagles,

870
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have come out that felt. Some of those

871
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: things that came out in that Hard Knocks made me

872
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: feel like the owner wanted it out. And if by

873
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: the time people are listening this Joe Shane is fired.

874
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: I just don't see Remember when he was asked and

875
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: he's like, eh, I don't think the Eagles. I think

876
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna go the Bears and listen, I understand overpaying

877
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: running backs and it's difficult. But when he went to Philly,

878
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: I thought the moment when I watched that in the

879
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: off season, how is he going to have a bad year?

880
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: They draft multiple offensive linemen every year. They have arguably

881
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: the best offensive line coach who Jason Kelsey calls like

882
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: his father in Jeff Stoutlin. And he's rushing for one

883
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: hundred plus yards in all these games pretty easily. And

884
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: when they're semi healthy at wide receiver, like things are

885
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: going to open up for him. Today when it was

886
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: like I think he had like six or seven carries

887
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: for almost twenty yards and they announced, I'm like, I

888
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: bet he's gonna bust one soon. And then he busts

889
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: that fifty yard run and it was on. And it

890
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: wasn't just Daniel Jones getting benched with ten minutes ago.

891
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: They also pulled Jalen Hurts for Kenny Pickett. So it's

892
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: like you're benching your quarterback and they waved the white

893
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: flag in Saquon Barkley's unbuckling his pads with like seven

894
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: or eight minutes after he already has one hundred. He

895
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: had one hundred and seventy five yards and three quarters. Colinn, Yeah,

896
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: I just think that unless I understand they have injuries

897
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: and like you said, without Andrew Thomas, the Eagles who

898
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: have struggled to get a pass rush. They were in

899
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: the backfield on Daniel Jones every single play. They had

900
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: guys coming from every angle. He had no shot that one.

901
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: The owner said it, I don't know if I could sleep.

902
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: He's arm most popular player, he's our best player, and

903
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: now he's I mean, that's a team that's loaded with talent,

904
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: and what Saquon second or third best player on their

905
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: team on given games, he's their best player. To do

906
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: that to you at home, to just embarrass you. What

907
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: is what is the papers? I guess it's more of

908
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: the internet now. How people consume that the local talk

909
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: shows they are the local television. What are they gonna

910
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: say tomorrow? How does Joe Shane Ryan David I actually

911
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: think has done a pretty good job. So he's transitioned

912
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: to the offensive coordinator, Like guys get his quarterback is atrocious.

913
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean, that guy is just he's just he can't play.

914
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: And I would imagine Drew Locke will just be the

915
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: quarterback and see if they can give him a spark.

916
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: But well, it's a one for the GM. Colin.

917
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a cautionary tale if you make

918
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: a mistake. I see this a lot in a lot

919
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: of businesses. Don't get arrogant, don't get stubborn, don't double down.

920
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: They should never have drafted Daniel Jones sixth. Gettleman's goofball,

921
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: and then you know, I've been through a lot of

922
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: these drafts. Dave, he's not the sixth best player in

923
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: college football. He's probably not the fifty sixth best player

924
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: in college football. And then they double down on it.

925
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I like Dable, I think they have their

926
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: left tackle. I like Malake Neighbors, Dexter Lawrence Thibodeau that

927
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: there's some players here, but it doesn't matter. You have

928
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, people are getting bigger and stronger. You

929
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: watch the you watch the Chiefs and the Niners today,

930
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: like eight players left the game. People get hurt. You

931
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: have to have a difference maker at quarterback that can

932
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: overcome these injuries. And Daniel Jones is the classic example.

933
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: He needs everything right. The minute you take Andrew Thomas

934
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: left tackle out, it's over. It's just over. He can't

935
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: do it. And again, listen, I watched Mahomes get blown

936
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: out in the Super Bowl without his left tackle. But

937
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: I think you, I think the Giants just have to

938
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: start over. I think they have some nice defensive pieces.

939
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: I think they have to start over. And I think

940
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: I think you just have to go. I mean Daniel Jones,

941
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he has a market. Maybe

942
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick, a fifth round pick. Does he

943
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: have a market?

944
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, With how much money he makes, I think

945
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: he's an untradeable player. I think when you look a

946
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, remember when AJ Brown was traded

947
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: to the Eagles and the Eagles played him like in

948
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: the middle of the season and AJ Brown went nuts,

949
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: and John Robinson, who I've known since I was at

950
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: President State, I think he's pretty good, got fired the

951
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: next day, got fired the next day when AJ Brown

952
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: destroyed the Titans. That's kind of what this feels like.

953
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: With Sakwan Barkley, a high character, great guy. Every kid,

954
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: every dad buying their kid a jersey, feels great about it.

955
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: And he's just an elite player. I mean, you watch

956
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: him on that Eagles team. He's going to be a

957
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: big reason that they're not the most cohesive operation right now.

958
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: With their head coach and that guy, I mean, they're

959
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: going to end up winning. The problem for the Giants

960
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: is you remove a couple of years ago when they

961
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: made the playoffs at nine and eight. So it's not

962
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: like they made the playoffs with eleven or twelve wins.

963
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: I mean, they won nine games. It was one of

964
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: the great coaching jobs ever. They have been awful since

965
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: they fired Tom Coughlin. I mean, and even those last

966
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: couple years of Tom they were bad. That they have

967
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: been really bad for a long time now. And you

968
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: got Washington, who I know they played Carolina today, but

969
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: that team's gonna win ten games.

970
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: As long as Jane Daniels ribs nut shadow the Giants

971
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: a fourth place team for the foreseeable future. Yeah, and

972
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 3: I do wonder you know this quarterback draft, you saw

973
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: yours in Carson back. So if you don't have the

974
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: number one pick, it's not really like you feel great about.

975
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: Some of these quarterbacks. Colin. I ask a lot of

976
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones in this group.

977
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: I asked an executive, I don't want to give this away.

978
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: I asked an executive with Super Bowl experience about and

979
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: he's in the next few years in the quarterback market,

980
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: he said, this is the year to trade down. He

981
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: goes this, this is not a good quarterback market. He

982
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: agreed with me. He thinks Shador Sanders has an IT quality.

983
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I think after watching.

984
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be the number one. I think

985
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: Chador is gonna be the number one than if the

986
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: draft was tomorrow.

987
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: I had a friend, a friend of mine, went and

988
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: watched the Arizona his son plays for Arizona. Went and

989
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: watched the Wildcats Colorado, and he was a quarterback. He

990
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: was a college quarterback. My friend and I asked him

991
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: what he thought and he said, you know, he goes.

992
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: I've heard what you've said about him. He said, I

993
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: think Shador he goes our. Arizona's played a lot of

994
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and a lot of teams. He said, Shadoor is

995
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: easily the best quarterback.

996
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: He said.

997
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: He made a couple of tiny window throws moving He's like,

998
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: that's that's a first round quarterback, he said, And in

999
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: the Arizona's got a good quarterback. And he goes, you

1000
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: can look at all these quarterbacks, but he goes, should

1001
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: Sanders is a first round quarterback when you're watching live

1002
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: and my buddy's he's a he was a college quarterback.

1003
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: He knows his shit, you know, he knows football. He watches,

1004
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: he goes to every Arizona game. He's like, yeah, this

1005
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: guy's the first round pick. So but I was talking

1006
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: to an executive this week and he said this is

1007
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: the year to be bad and trade down. He goes,

1008
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: he said, this is not a good group. He said.

1009
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks are at big programs, Georgia, Texas, Notre Dame.

1010
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: He said, they're not first round quarterbacks.

1011
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's why. I don't know if there's breaking news,

1012
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: but I think the Patriots are going to be in

1013
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: good position if they just keep playing like they're playing,

1014
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: and you just trade back and accumulate some picks and

1015
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: try to build around Drake May because they're pretty terrible.

1016
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: Okay, green Bay beats Houston twenty four to twenty two.

1017
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: And here's why this game is important. I feel like

1018
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: they play at each other. Green Bay is the Houston

1019
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: of the of the NFC. Houston is the Green Bay

1020
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: of the AFC. I think both are a year away.

1021
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: I love their rosters, I love their young coaches, and

1022
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I love their quarterbacks. Jordan loves better than C. J. Stroud,

1023
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion, moves better. Jordan's got some real farv

1024
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: He's gonna have bad picks, but god, he can really

1025
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: let it rip. I really like washing him play. But

1026
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I watched the same team. Is that

1027
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: they're close, right coach, right quarterback, right O line, nice weapons,

1028
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: not quite mature up. There's somebody in the way Detroit.

1029
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: There's somebody in the way Kansas City. But there was

1030
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: an interesting moment in this game where late Houston Demiko

1031
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: Ryans settled for a field goal and they didn't force

1032
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: Green Bay to burn timeouts. And I thought, well, Demiko's

1033
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: a defensive coach. You just you got to bake that in.

1034
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: These guys aren't going to go for it. But as

1035
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: I watched this game, I thought, these guys are not

1036
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: good enough to hoist a trophy. But if you told

1037
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: me over the next four years, because the quarterbacks, I think,

1038
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: potentially with the right weapons are in that Jared golf

1039
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: slightly above that class. Green Bay's now five and two,

1040
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: Houston five and two. I felt like I'm watching two

1041
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: great franchises. After this year, they'll both be in the

1042
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: super Bowl bubble for about six straight years.

1043
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: I think Green Bay, if they get their shit together,

1044
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: could be a super Bowl contender this year. And when

1045
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: I say that, I just mean their quarterback not throw

1046
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: awful interceptions. I mean he threw, he moves. He's like

1047
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: a mirror image of Aaron the mannerisms, the way he moves,

1048
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: the way his arm kind of hangs. But when the

1049
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 2: ball leaves his hands, it's like two thousand and two

1050
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: bred Forth. It could be the most incredible touchdown you've

1051
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: see of the day, or it could be a pick

1052
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: hitting the guy in stride. Where you go? Is this

1053
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: guy gonna go seventy yards the other way? I mean

1054
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: today he threw two picks, one got returned I think

1055
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 2: to the eleven yard line. They had a muffed punt

1056
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: that led to a fumble. Like that, I thought Green Bay.

1057
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: I mean CJ's trout even throw for one hundred yards. No,

1058
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: they were not very good on offense, and two of

1059
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: their touchdowns definitely one of them came on the muff,

1060
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: obviously mixing having him back Nico Collins. It turns out

1061
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: as like they're Terrell Owens. You take him out of

1062
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 2: their offense, they kind of fall apart. But Demko's so

1063
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: good on offense or as a defensive coordinator, creates pressure

1064
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: and just create some havoc. They got to settle this

1065
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: guy down, that being Jordan Love in terms of even

1066
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: Laflora made a comment after the game about like, you

1067
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: guys keep pushing this far of narrative. Well, yeah, he

1068
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: keeps throwing the ball to the other team, but he's

1069
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: remarkable when he's throwing three or four touchdowns every game,

1070
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: and in your offense. Their offense, it doesn't have the

1071
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: name recognition of like Saint Brown, Montgomery, Gibbs Laporta, but

1072
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: you watch them, you're like, that receiver's good. That receiver's good. Yeah,

1073
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: news tight end's good. You're like, I've known Josh Jacobs

1074
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: is good for a while. That their offensive weaponry, And

1075
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 2: think about this Colin. They're not going to be intimidated

1076
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: by Detroit. They're going to know each other really well.

1077
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a Niners rams from a couple

1078
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: of years ago, so I I and honestly, I've always

1079
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: said this, They're actually better off not winning the division

1080
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: because the way they want to play on offense, go

1081
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: into the dome, Okay, let's play a thirty five to

1082
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: thirty game, because you can't play that at Green Bay

1083
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 2: in the middle of January. It was always the downfall

1084
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: of Rogers teams. They have these great offenses and then

1085
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: they play some of these home games. It's like no

1086
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: one can feel their hands. So why the Chiefs are like, yeah,

1087
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: we can play a negative twenty. Now we only need

1088
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: eighteen points to win the game. Yeah. And now I

1089
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 2: think their defense, this Halfleay guy that they got from

1090
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: Boston College, it feels like he's kind of settling down.

1091
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: They look a lot better, much to the team speeds better.

1092
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: He's blitzing at the right times. I mean, their defense

1093
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 2: has been pretty atrocious over the going back to McCarthy

1094
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: and then early on with you know, the Joe Barry

1095
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: run with Lafour. I'm not saying it's gonna like completely

1096
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: turn the corner, but I feel a little more comfortable

1097
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: with it. I mean, today you hold c. J. Stroud,

1098
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: he still has take Dell out there, Diggs is out

1099
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: there mixing's back Shultz. I mean they got enough firepower

1100
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: that he should be able to score for you know,

1101
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: for over one hundred and fifty yards. And it was

1102
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: a beautiful day. It wasn't like twenty degrees at Green Bay.

1103
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: It looked like it was eighty degrees outside. Even the

1104
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: announcers like, this doesn't get any better than this.

1105
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: No, it's so a Jordan Love twenty four to thirty three.

1106
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: These two picks. Here's what I like about it. So,

1107
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: first of all, Dobbs had eight catches, wicks three craft

1108
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: the tight ends excellent eleven yards of catch. Jacob's out

1109
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: of the backfield had five reads. Terrific player Christian Watson.

1110
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they And what's funny is none

1111
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: of these guys make a nickel. I mean they're not

1112
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: paying any of these guys for like four years.

1113
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, his interceptions on their back. There was

1114
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: there was a play late in the game when they

1115
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: ended up kicking the game winning field goal. I think

1116
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: it was like less than thirty seconds left. He let

1117
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: it rip like forty yards down the field. Now, he

1118
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: overthrew the dB and the wide receiver, but it was

1119
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: like what is going like, why are you making this

1120
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: throw right? Which he's I'm not a Packer fan, but

1121
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: he keeps you on the edge of your seat when

1122
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: you're watching them play. Remember that was he throw a

1123
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: late pick in the Niner game, Yes, you know, to

1124
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: end that game. That's the thing that makes me nervous.

1125
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: It's not like golf can't do that right now, He's

1126
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: not really throwing the ball in harms way. Well, where

1127
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: Jordan Love is throwing the ball in harms way a lot. Well.

1128
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, to your point, the Texans on the road

1129
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: average three point four yards of play terrible on third

1130
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: down were.

1131
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: Allowed they got they got a muff punt at the

1132
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: ten yard line. That was a need he was a

1133
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: free touchdown.

1134
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the Texans threw for fifty five yards today

1135
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: and have a chance to win that game. So to

1136
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: your point is Love is going to keep I mean

1137
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: the Texas. If you look at the box score, Texans

1138
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: should have been beat by three touchdowns and they lose

1139
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty two. And that I think that's

1140
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of what Jordan Love gives you. It

1141
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: also Lafleur, to his credit, and I think an offensive

1142
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: coach is more willing to do this than Demko Ryans.

1143
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: He he lets him work his way through his mistakes,

1144
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: Like Lafleur is like, I got an artist here. I

1145
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: can't box him in. I gotta let him do some

1146
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: of his stuff. You know, one of the throws that

1147
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: Love likes to do and it feels like they're almost

1148
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: all picked or all caught, is when he throws the

1149
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: rainbow ball when he's backing up and he holds it

1150
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: too long and he just throws a rainbow and I'm like,

1151
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna work himself out of that. Those won't last.

1152
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: And because that, like he does that like four times

1153
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: a game.

1154
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: I give Lafour so much credit because a big reason

1155
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: they're five and two is they won the games with

1156
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: Malik Willis when he was gone. And now you feel

1157
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: like if they can just rain this guy in a

1158
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: little bit, and they did last year sometimes and listen,

1159
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm guilty of this. This guy has not played much football, right.

1160
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at c. J. Stroud has been

1161
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: playing for two years. Ohio State comes right to the

1162
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: NFL like he's been starting every year for five straight

1163
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: years going back to high school. You look at some

1164
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks, the amount of snaps they've taken. Jordan

1165
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: Love just sat there for three years, and there gets

1166
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: to a point like obviously he needed to work on

1167
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: his fundamentals and everything as a project, but there gets

1168
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: a point where you're just not playing at all, and

1169
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: then he gets thrust into it. We saw last year.

1170
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: It took him a little while. Then he gets injured

1171
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: this year, so maybe by the second half of the

1172
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: season they can rain him in. I think They're offense

1173
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: is like an unnamed I mean, the Packers fans know them,

1174
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: but just you know, people that play fantasy, but they

1175
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: don't have like superstar name recognition. Yet some of these

1176
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: guys might turn into that by the end of the year.

1177
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: They might just be the same as the Lions, just

1178
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: in terms of their firepower. And it's not actually kind

1179
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: of different because of his deep ball ability. I mean,

1180
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: that guy at any moment can fling at fifty sixty yards.

1181
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely listen. I you think they're ready to win a

1182
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I think they're a year away. I really do.

1183
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm I'm saying they're ready. I just think if they

1184
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: come in they do have the pieces that their defense

1185
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: is good. He plays well, because if he's playing well,

1186
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 2: they could beat any team. Do you agree with that? Oh?

1187
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely no. I mean I think they're they're the best

1188
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: team that I don't think will win the Super Bowl

1189
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: because I would. I think I would take them over Minnesota.

1190
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would listen right now.

1191
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: The thing is both those two teams have to play

1192
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: on the road, probably right Minnesota Green Bay if they

1193
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: don't win. If Detroit wins the division, you're talking.

1194
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: To your point. Green Bay on the road. If they

1195
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: get a domed environment, it's perfect.

1196
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't go to them at all, and they're

1197
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: comfortable their divisional opponent.

1198
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,760
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Speaker 1: for details. Okay, so I want to talk Georgia Texas.

1207
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: So Georgia beat Texas thirty to fifteen. Again, Georgia couldn't

1208
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: do anything offensively and they beat Texas. So my big

1209
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: takeaway on this was Carson Beck is no longer a

1210
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: first round quarterback, Like it's just.

1211
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: Not is can't track you? Is he a second day quarterback?

1212
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: I wrote down here. So it was twenty three of

1213
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: forty one. This is what Georgia talent. No touchdown three picks,

1214
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: I wrote down top of third round. I mean when

1215
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: I watched him, I'm like, he feels he feels like

1216
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: a third round pick. Georgia actually was decent on third down,

1217
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: but they only had fourteen first downs go to Austin

1218
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: and double the Longhorns. But quinn Ewers, now Texas couldn't

1219
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: run the ball at all, and they almost felt I

1220
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: will say this, Georgia has been in so many of

1221
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: these big games over the last six years. Georgia was

1222
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: totally ready for the moment. Texas has been in about

1223
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: three of these, two or three was sark. I don't

1224
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: think they were ready. They were atrocious on third down.

1225
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: They couldn't run the football a quinn Ewers, I thought,

1226
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: I still think because of his arm, he'll get drafted

1227
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: somewhere in the first round. Somebody will think they can

1228
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: solve him. But I kind of I mean, Texas average

1229
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: with the best offensive line in college football three point

1230
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: four yards of play when I watched that game, and

1231
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: by the way outside, I mean, Oregon had two bad

1232
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: games and one Ohio State lost, but I didn't think

1233
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: played poorly. Bamas had a stinker, George's had a stinker.

1234
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: Texas has had a stinker. This is why I have

1235
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: a twelve game playoff. This is I mean, I think

1236
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State to me is the most consistently good team,

1237
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: whereas Oregon got Ohio State at home. You gotta be

1238
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: careful label terrible against Boise State and terrible against Idaho.

1239
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: I kind of look at this Texas game and I

1240
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: think this is just one of those games that Georgia's

1241
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: been in. I mean, it's just they've been in this

1242
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: game six years, probably three games a year like this.

1243
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: I thought it was a personality game. And I've been

1244
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: I've been critical over when it comes to Sark over

1245
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: the years, but I've slowly come around. He's clearly an

1246
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: excellent play caller. I saw him live. He's brilliant at that.

1247
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: It's clear how hard he recruits and how much passion

1248
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: you puts inside this program. But at the end of

1249
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: the day, he's a quarterback, right, That's who he is

1250
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: at his core, And Kirby smart is Saban's mentee, and

1251
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: he's a crazy ass defensive guy. Like at his core

1252
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: he's a crazy defensive guy. I mean, we've seen it

1253
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: on the sideline, but he's a former safety. He's a

1254
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: tough guy. And usually quarterbacks like they're just not super

1255
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: angry all the time, sarks, more intellectual, always more offense.

1256
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: This was a game, and Kirby said it after the game,

1257
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 2: like we didn't come here to take pictures and do

1258
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: all the superstar bs. Well, what happened in that game.

1259
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 2: It was all about the line of scrimmage where Texas

1260
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 2: actually has, you know, supposedly a bunch of NFL guys.

1261
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: They had seven sacks and it felt like they had

1262
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: twenty five pressures and that can you imagine how on

1263
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: edge Kirby was all week with just the defensive side

1264
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: of the ball and the way you can't to me,

1265
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: you can't manipulate that stuff. I've been in these buildings

1266
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 2: like the head coaches personnel. It is what it is.

1267
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 2: You either have the crazy listen, Andy, He's not like,

1268
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, coming with an iron fist on everybody, but

1269
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: he does create toughness with the way he practices. So

1270
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: the offensive guys historically, you know, Lincoln laying that they're

1271
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: just not not doing Oklahoma drills like at the at

1272
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: a moment's notice, the Saban types, the Kirby types will

1273
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: just blow a whistle. Maybe not as much anymore, but

1274
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: that personality of a practice, you can't fake that stuff.

1275
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: And you could tell from the jump You're like, Georgia

1276
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 2: is out for blood. This is a team. All they've

1277
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: heard about is everyone put in Texas who's new to

1278
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: the SEC and they they run it now, and Kirby

1279
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: looks around and goes, that is not happening on my watch.

1280
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: And they came. They destroyed them upfront. I mean that

1281
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: Walker kid, I mean he had three sacks, he was

1282
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: all over the backfield. But to have seven sacks and

1283
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: even Arch came in, you could tell I was listen,

1284
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 2: I had money on Georgia, but I then started feeling

1285
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: I was rooting for Arch and right away I'm like, hey,

1286
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: he looks a little overwhelmed. Yeah, because this is a

1287
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: lot Quinn, youwrers just isn't good enough. Like to me,

1288
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: Carson Back is a third day pick, and I don't

1289
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, part of a quarterback is the character and stuff.

1290
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: I know nothing about that, but just as a player, yeah,

1291
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's that good. Same but Kirby

1292
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: Smart would go, I've won national championships with third day

1293
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: picks before you ever heard sets have been at and

1294
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: went back to backs with that guy. Yeah, so I'm

1295
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: the Sabans and him are comfortable playing with that. Or

1296
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: if you look at Sark, what did they have invested

1297
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 2: in their quarterback room between the two guys you wers

1298
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: in Arch five million dollars? Yeah, you know, I mean

1299
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: whatever they're paying Carson Back. Kirby's like, yeah, that's probably

1300
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: too much because he wants to run the ball and

1301
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: play defense.

1302
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did think though, because of the twelve team playoff,

1303
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: it was the way to textar Sarks team's good.

1304
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: I don't think Texas sucks by any means. Like, I

1305
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: just think that was an overwhelming performance. George is probably

1306
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: beating everybody in the country.

1307
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's how Texas had to lose to

1308
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: win a national championship. Because this Texas team is so

1309
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: pretty and so talented quarterback and so big, they they

1310
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: win the hotel lobby. I mean, you come out at midfield,

1311
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: You're like, these guys don't look like a.

1312
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: College live two weeks ago. They look remarkable at every position.

1313
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, oh no, now, last year before

1314
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: the twelve team playoff, you don't want to lose like

1315
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: this in college football. I mean, that'll take you from

1316
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: one to four and all of a sudden you get

1317
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: to an overtime game against you know, some other team,

1318
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: and it's but that's how the new college football john

1319
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: with a twelve team playoff, if you want to win

1320
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: a Natty, you need to get your butt handed to

1321
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: you once a year. And because these two teams, there's

1322
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: a better than fifty percent chance they'll play again, and

1323
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: the final four in the final right right. So it's

1324
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: like to me, as I watched it, I thought, Okay,

1325
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: if Texas outplayed them and lost, it would be hard

1326
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: to go back and say, hey, guys, you got to

1327
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: play a perfect game. Texas was Hugh milliated at home,

1328
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm writing down these numbers. They were

1329
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: two for fifteen on third down, they had d nine

1330
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: rushing yards. They got their butt hand to do them

1331
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: at home. And my take was, in a weird way,

1332
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about March madness before. These Kansas teams. You know,

1333
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: you'll play a really good team out of conference, and

1334
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: it's like, no, it's okay to get your butt handed

1335
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: in December, because in March you can put the tape

1336
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: back into your team and say, remember this team that

1337
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: knocked you out.

1338
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 2: But the one thing in March madness, that's a good example.

1339
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 2: What's his name? Bennett just retired in Virginia and he

1340
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 2: had that historic loss in the first round, and obviously,

1341
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 2: like any great coach, if you've got the tournament enough,

1342
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna have some awful losses because only one game

1343
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: and anything can happen. Yeah. Well, my take is really

1344
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: on both these two teams, and to me, if Georgia's

1345
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 2: defense plays like that, they would be hard for anyone

1346
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: to be because upfront they just smother you. But both quarterbacks,

1347
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: if you're playing another good team, could lose to anybody

1348
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: because yours when he's bad, feel he just felt awful,

1349
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: Like it felt like unplayable. I mean everyone was thinking

1350
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 2: it on their couch, Like Sark, you got to go

1351
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: to the bullpen. It was that clear to him, which

1352
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: could not have been an easy thing to do. Now,

1353
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: granted it's it's a unique situation with Archie's not like

1354
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: your typical high recruit because he goes right back to yours.

1355
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 2: But he had no choice, Like he was playing a

1356
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: losing football game. Carson Beck kind of was too. Yeah,

1357
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: so in these big games against other good teams, like

1358
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: you could lose it. Will Howard actually not watching that

1359
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: game against Oregon, you know, we'll see how he could. Yeah,

1360
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: I thought though too, But like what if he has

1361
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: a bad game, Like all these teams, we'll see Dylan Gabriel,

1362
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: who's probably you know, has the best statistics of all

1363
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: these guys, but like you don't have the faith like

1364
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: a Joe Burrow, right, or one of those level guys

1365
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: that like, no matter what, he's going to make a

1366
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 2: play at any moment in the in the final eight,

1367
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 2: the final four, these guys could have a bad game

1368
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: and it could cost their team. I'm not confident in

1369
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 2: any of these teams, Like I think they're all going

1370
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: to be there, it's pretty clear who's going to be

1371
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: the last six to seven teams stand in right now,

1372
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 2: right who the best teams are Oregon obviously, Georgia, Texas,

1373
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: Ohio State like, and then a couple more we could

1374
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: nitpick from like five or Tennis. Maybe their quarterbacks even Tennessee,

1375
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: like their quarter back at any moment could throw the game,

1376
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 2: like all these guys, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen.

1377
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: That is not the version of guy Chador. I would

1378
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: have the most confidence. But they blew that Kansas State game,

1379
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: They're probably not going to get in. Their team wouldn't

1380
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: be good enough, Like they'd have no chance to block

1381
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: Tennessee or Georgia. But like, if you put Shador like

1382
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: the way he's playing on one of these teams, I

1383
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: would have a lot more confidence. I can't just with

1384
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: a straight face pick Georgia to win the Natty. I

1385
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: don't trust the quarterback Quinn yours Like, I don't think

1386
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: he's that good. Yeah right, well, Howard, I will find

1387
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 2: out as the season goes on. Aller made some great

1388
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 2: plays against USC, but he's got to do it against

1389
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: you know, He's got to do it more than one time.

1390
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 2: He's only done it one time in his career. So

1391
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest question mark, you know, with

1392
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,839
Speaker 2: all the top teams in college football, is like their quarterback,

1393
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: do they get overwhelmed in a game? Throw three or four?

1394
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: Both those quarterbacks could have thrown like five picks each.

1395
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: I mean their balls were bouncing off the other color

1396
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 2: jersey countless times. They looked overwhelmed. They really did, even

1397
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: Carson Beck, who was just I had someone text me

1398
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: that he's like, I don't remember a guy because there

1399
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 2: was a lot of media hype that the NFL hype, Yes,

1400
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 2: he he's a first round Remember a guy losing millions

1401
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: this fast? I mean it's we're not even to Halloween

1402
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, can't draft this guy high.

1403
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: So I want to talk USC even though they are

1404
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: a losing team they're now three and four, because here's

1405
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: what is remarkable, and I think it's worth six or

1406
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: seven minutes with us, because you know, people know I

1407
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: follow him. So Billy Edwards from Maryland is not a

1408
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: great college quarterback. They were two for thirteen on third down,

1409
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: they had fifty six yards rushing and Maryland beat USC.

1410
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: And USC has led every game most of them late

1411
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: because they are so egregiously bad on the offensive line

1412
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: and so young. They can't, like, they can't put together

1413
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: like a twelve play drive to seal wins. They had

1414
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: Penn State beat, they had Maryland beat, they had Minnesota.

1415
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: They never felt like they were in control. But it's

1416
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: But it's interesting about this is that I was talking

1417
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: to somebody very close to USC and he said, listen,

1418
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 1: he's got a Jimbo Fisher deal US. He's not writing

1419
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: seventy million dollar checks and they're not getting rid of him.

1420
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: But there's been this feeling since he's been there in

1421
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: the administration that he has a lot more control over

1422
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 1: USC than USC has over him. In fact, they're building

1423
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: this big facility now three hundred million dollars because it's

1424
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: in his contract, and if they don't build it, he

1425
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: can leave. But it is interesting. I actually think they

1426
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: have some really really good line talent. They're just all

1427
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: red shirting and they're young. But what's happening with us,

1428
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: he's fascinating. They're not recruiting California. If you go look

1429
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: at the rivals take rivals for instance, or on three

1430
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: these recruiting sites and you go to the top forty

1431
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: players in Southern California. In this class, I've got like

1432
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: three guys. It's like Bama, Oregon, Bama, Ohio State, Oregon,

1433
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 1: A and M and M Louisville, Alabama. And there is

1434
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: something about college football. It's very territory. John. You can lose,

1435
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: but if you're not in Ohio State, you just have

1436
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: to take a three star linebacker occasionally because he's an

1437
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: Ohio kid. You just have to do it. You got

1438
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: to take the tight end who's a three star. He's

1439
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: from a big high school program. Locally, there may be

1440
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: a three star Florida kid, but you're going to have

1441
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: to do certain things. You know, Ohio is proud of Ohio.

1442
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: LA is very transient, doesn't really care about that. But

1443
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm hearing it now from two and three different people,

1444
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: Like he's just not connecting with LA coaches. And it's like,

1445
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: can you imagine Kirby Smart doing most of his recruiting

1446
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: in Texas? Like there is something about Lincoln. There's this

1447
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: sense that he's aloof He's not necessarily relatable. He can

1448
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: be off putting. He you know, he just it's not

1449
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: just the losing. Once you start losing people put a

1450
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: microscope on your program. Now you have losing. He's not

1451
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: really going. He doesn't want boosters, right, Like that was

1452
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: the undoing for Chip Kelly. You're not winning and you

1453
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: don't take care of the donors and boosters. Do you

1454
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: think today, if us he could just.

1455
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: Go, we're starting over, would they Well? I think they

1456
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 2: both want a divorce. Like to me, Lincoln Fields has

1457
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: always felt, and I've said this to you from the beginning,

1458
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 2: regions and where you're from matters in college football does

1459
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 2: not matter in the pros, and in college football just

1460
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: does because recruiting your region, especially when it's in southern California,

1461
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: when a ton of good players come from matters, Well,

1462
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: who could relate Pete Carroll? Why he's a California guy? Right?

1463
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at the best coaches over the

1464
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 2: last I don't know, several decades on the West Coast,

1465
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: Jeff Tedford, where's he from California? Chris Peterson, where'd he coach?

1466
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 2: Boise State, Washington? Where'd he grow up? California? Went to

1467
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 2: UC Davis. Mike Polatti? Where is he from? West Coast?

1468
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly? There are outliers Urban went to the South

1469
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly, who's the northeast came to Oregon. But I

1470
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: I think for Kirby Smart, like why does he work

1471
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: in the SEC? I wonder you know Nick sab in

1472
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: West Virginia. To me, pretty similar, there's a lot of success.

1473
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 2: You see it right now with Debor. He's gonna get

1474
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 2: a lot of heat. He's not one of theirs. And

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Speaker 2: I think the USC thing Coln they're one and four

1476
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten. It's to me the Penn State thing.

1477
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Speaker 2: That's an awful tough loss to take, but it's still

1478
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 2: Penn State. They're really good. When you start losing the

1479
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 2: Minnesota in Maryland, especially the way the stat I was

1480
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: gonna read it to you, they've, like you said, they've

1481
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 2: held a lead in all in every game they've played

1482
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 2: this year, and over the last twenty years, two hundred

1483
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 2: teams have had a fourth quarter lead in all of

1484
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 2: their first seven games. Only one other team during that

1485
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: span has had a losing record. So they're like a

1486
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: statistical anomaly. To lose all these games. Yesterday was insane.

1487
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean they're up twenty eight to fourteen in the

1488
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. I mean, how does that it just And

1489
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 2: this gets back to like Sark has way better talent.

1490
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,560
Speaker 2: But you can't fake being a tough guy when you're not.

1491
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 2: Like Dan Campbell's a tough guy. The Hardball Brothers are

1492
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: tough guys. Tomlin's a tough guy. Vrabel's a tough guy.

1493
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: Belichick could manipulate it like through mind games and the

1494
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 2: type guys he surrounded himself with. I'm not saying he's

1495
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 2: gonna win a fistfight, but you'd also say Belichick's pretty

1496
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 2: mentally tough, right, I mean, he's not easy to break.

1497
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 2: And I just think I look at Lincoln and I go,

1498
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 2: I just don't see a tough guy. And they've gotten

1499
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: into these spots, especially on the road. These are not

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01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 2: You're not going to Oregon State, right or Arizona State

1501
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: where it's an easy flight. These are long as how

1502
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 2: long is the flight to Maryland. It's a five hour flight? Yeah, right,

1503
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 2: You going to Minnesota that's probably four and a half hours.

1504
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: These are tough travels and they just mentally crumble. And

1505
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 2: I never thought one. I thought he was a really

1506
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: good coach, so I understood why they wanted him. LSU

1507
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: wanted him to the gave one hundred and twenty.

1508
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: I still think he's a very clever schemer and play designer.

1509
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: But it's just like they need a defensive coordinator. And

1510
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 2: it's not like he has this long list of guys

1511
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: because the Leech guys think of his the tree that

1512
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 2: he comes from, it's kind of a it's not a

1513
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: tree that produces many like tough, physical football teams. That's

1514
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 2: not like his ethos as a football guy, right the

1515
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 2: Mike Leach the way he wants to play, He'd ideally

1516
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: like to win forty five to thirty eight. That's I mean,

1517
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 2: that's how he had a lot of success in Oklahoma

1518
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,799
Speaker 2: with the Baker teams. They were scoring a ton of points.

1519
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 2: But Colin, they're their schedule is not crazy hard. But

1520
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 2: you go like seven and five, seven and five, this is.

1521
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,560
Speaker 1: Year three they have him and they have two playable

1522
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: offensive tackles in the program.

1523
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 2: Him and Brian Kelly got hired the same year, right

1524
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 2: year three, and we talked about this when they got

1525
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: in a little scuffle about him wanting to cancel the game.

1526
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 2: He ended up beating them. But what has transpired since

1527
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: you watch Brian Kelly's team, Like, are is LSU going

1528
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 2: to the playoffs? Probably? I mean they might look check

1529
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: their schedule and they're getting better and better, and he's

1530
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: playing they're both playing nuss Meyer and Miller Moss. It's

1531
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: not like he's got Jayden Daniels and Kayleb Williams anymore.

1532
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know, man, I think you go back.

1533
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: Let's just look at those two guys. Brian Kelly has

1534
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 2: a long resume. You could put him anywhere and he'll

1535
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 2: figure it out. Lincoln did inherit Oklahoma, which at the

1536
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 2: time was humming. I mean they were a lot like

1537
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly in Oregon. It wasn't top two every year,

1538
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: but they were top eighteen, fifteen every year. You just

1539
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: had to take that next step. That's an easier thing

1540
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,879
Speaker 2: to do than just, hey, here's a shit sandwich, Nick Saban,

1541
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: what Brian Kelly get me? Just eleven wins every year?

1542
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: That's really difficult and normally what Urban can do, there's

1543
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 2: a short list of guys that can do that. Even

1544
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 2: though if Lincoln's a really good coach, I just think

1545
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: he fits more. I don't know, like some big twelve team.

1546
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: I just think that's the way he wants to play.

1547
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 2: Fig ten has been very, very difficult on him and

1548
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 2: it's way harder travel like, they're like traveling like NFL teams. Yes,

1549
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: conference play, you're flying four hours, five hours. That never

1550
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 2: happened in the history of these programs.

1551
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: Also, he's getting it's late October, he's getting weather breaks.

1552
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: Minnesota was war, little windy Maryland weather was good. There's

1553
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna be years where it's snow like when you go

1554
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: to the They have one playable running back like in

1555
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: a big spot, a guy you would trust with the ball.

1556
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: They have two playable offensive tackles. We're three years in.

1557
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: They're nil is thirteen million a year. Now it's not

1558
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,919
Speaker 1: Oregon or Georgia or Texas, but it's in the Ohio

1559
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: State room. It's about thirteen. I was telling somebody this weekend,

1560
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 1: who's really close. I said, there's three or four positions

1561
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: you buy in the nil quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher.

1562
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 1: You'll find receivers. I mean, they have an okay quarterback,

1563
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: left tackle, they're playing a freshman. They don't have an

1564
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: elite edge rusher. It's like Lincoln, don't buy corners. You

1565
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: know this is La. People run. You can get backs, corners, receiver,

1566
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: you can get those guys. You don't pay tight ends

1567
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: in the transfer portal. You don't pay guards and the

1568
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: transfer portal, you know they have an offensive and a

1569
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: d defence at Lineman from Wyoming and both start. It's like,

1570
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:04,799
Speaker 1: what are we doing here?

1571
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: I know times are a lot different than you know,

1572
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: the HEYDAFP. Carroll, But when I close my eyes and

1573
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 2: I think of those rosters, and when I got to

1574
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 2: college and they started really taking off the base of

1575
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 2: the squad. And this is what you opened up saying

1576
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 2: was all Southern California, LA and San Diego, they're best players.

1577
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: And then because he was such a great recruiter, he'd

1578
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: go get a Joe McKnight from Louisiana, this guy from

1579
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: New Jersey. He'd nitpick, and I get the recruiting world's changed.

1580
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 2: But to me, how do they build momentum in recruiting

1581
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 2: if he's not mister pizzazz like, so that's not his thing.

1582
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 2: Their team's not as good Oregon, Ohio State, I mean,

1583
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 2: Alabama in Oklahoma, these other programs for years have been

1584
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 2: coming into Southern California, as USC has kind of, you know,

1585
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 2: been in the middle ground. Not you see the numbers

1586
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 2: that Clay Helton through his first thirty four games and

1587
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley he has a better record. I just think

1588
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 2: this thing is headed towards one now. There's so much

1589
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 2: money in the line. I don't know why if Lincoln

1590
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 2: like why you just give a divorce. But he's got

1591
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,719
Speaker 2: to be kind of miserable. This can't be a natural

1592
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: fit living on the beach, like he does not feel

1593
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: like that guy he did. I think Lane would have

1594
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: no problem doing it again, like it's yeah, this is

1595
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: not it does not feel when you look at Lincoln Riley,

1596
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 2: the comfortability in the colors and the clothes, and it's

1597
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 2: obviously not working because one in four in the Big Ten.

1598
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 2: It's one thing if you had lost to Ohio State,

1599
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 2: Penn State. I mean they are losing to awful teams

1600
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 2: like Maryland just should never have won that game.

1601
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: Ever, Dormy don't have just how many players.

1602
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: You do you? I mean, do you think that there's

1603
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 2: a divorce and in here or no?

1604
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: I think I think they have he'll I think Jen

1605
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: Cohen the ad is gonna She's gonna stay with him,

1606
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: but it gives her a lot of I'm not.

1607
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: Saying they fire him, but I'm saying, do you think

1608
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: Lincoln's happy, Like, do you think this is just like

1609
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: this is this isn't working? So is this one of

1610
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: these things that does he want to do this?

1611
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think they're losing close and the team is

1612
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 1: so young offensively, I think he can rationalize the losses

1613
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: and say we bring everybody back except a running back

1614
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: and a center, and I do think they'll be better

1615
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: next year. I just think I can assure you Jen

1616
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Speaker 1: Cone and the administration of the Boosters they didn't think

1617
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 1: they were winning a Natty, but they this has been.

1618
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: Didn't think they were going seven and five either.

1619
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Speaker 1: Five and seven. Just keep your fingers crossed. John Middelkoff,

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