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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire. What is up

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Speaker 2: straight Fire Fame. It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: March sixth. Have a great guest. You're gonna love this guy,

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Speaker 2: John Henson. I know you guys remember him the real ones.

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Speaker 2: Remember he went to UNC he was a big man.

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Speaker 2: Then he went to the Milwaukee Bucks. He played alongside Giannis.

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Speaker 2: He's got an awesome story playing Yiannis one on one

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Speaker 2: when Janis was a rookie. You're gonna love it. There's

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Speaker 2: also you know, listen, you guys know I've worked with

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Speaker 2: Matt Barnes a little bit at Fox and Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio and now he's got his own podcast. And if

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Speaker 2: you look on YouTube, there was an incident between John

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Speaker 2: Henson and Matt Barnes where Matt Barnes like ran to

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Speaker 2: the locker room after him, and it hasn't really been

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Speaker 2: talked about. There was like speculations to what happened. Well,

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Speaker 2: Henson tells us the real stor rewindent scenes. I think

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Speaker 2: you're gonna like it. It's good stuff. We rarely get

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Speaker 2: athletes still like I mean, hence it could probably be

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Speaker 2: in the league now some of the guys in his

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Speaker 2: draft class, or like Anthony Davis Draymond Green. Pretty wild stuff.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to him, just a couple quick notes. Listen,

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Speaker 2: NBA is at the twenty game mark. Essentially every team

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Speaker 2: has between twenty and twenty two games left at this point,

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Speaker 2: and every night there's some crazy things happening. Listen, the

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Speaker 2: Celtics blowing a massive lead. I think they were up

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Speaker 2: seventeen in the fourth or maybe twenty, and the Calves

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Speaker 2: just come back. No, I don't think Donovan Mitchell played.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember seeing him. No, it was the Darius

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Speaker 2: Garland Show. Dean Wade came off the bench and pumped

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Speaker 2: in six threes. Wild stuff. Yeah, no, Donovan Mitchell. They

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Speaker 2: started Okoro and the kid Merrill who real ones know

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Speaker 2: Sam Merril, Utah State wants some money betting on him

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Speaker 2: back in the day. It's just a phenomenal comeback by

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Speaker 2: the Cave. Also in the NBA, it should be noted

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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia seventy six ers quietly lose again, this time

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Speaker 2: to Brooklyn. And if you look at the standings, guess

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Speaker 2: who's in the play in Oh yeah, Philadelphia seventy six ers.

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Speaker 2: The Heat win are currently ahead of the Sixers on Tibreak,

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Speaker 2: Philly went from like, oh, maybe this is the year

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Speaker 2: and BID gets to the conference finals too, and BID

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Speaker 2: goes down in their head to the play in. If

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Speaker 2: you're jeweling beat and you watch this team with yourself

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Speaker 2: out and you're like, wait a minute, well are we

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Speaker 2: sure we're close? Are you guys sure they are now

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Speaker 2: a playing team. I don't anticipate them losing and not

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Speaker 2: getting to the actual first round, But like Obama didn't

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Speaker 2: do much campaign starting no Tyrese MAXI like it is.

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Speaker 2: They are walking wounded right now. Ubre had thirty, but

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Speaker 2: they lose to the Nets. Just not. The vibes are

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Speaker 2: not great around the Sixers, and I don't know what

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Speaker 2: to other thid. I'm not gonna bash them. I will though,

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Speaker 2: bash to Dallas Mavericks. Figure it the f out guys,

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Speaker 2: Luca a third straight I'm sorry, a fourth straight thirty

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Speaker 2: point triple double and.

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Speaker 1: They lose again.

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Speaker 2: They like can't beat the Pacers for some reason. Then

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Speaker 2: no defense maps can't stop the Pacers. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know we're all talking about Giannis and the potential

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Speaker 2: for him leaving if they get blown out and him

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Speaker 2: demanding a trade. I would keep it eye on Luca.

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Speaker 2: Is he gonna want to put up with this crap

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Speaker 2: like Kyrie Irving? Like I just I cannot believe Dallas

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Speaker 2: can't get it together. They were vibing around the All

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Speaker 2: Star break, they won like seven or eight in a row,

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Speaker 2: and now they're spluttering again. Just super supremely disappointing. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna talk about the Grayson Allen performance against

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Speaker 2: the Nuggets. I mean, listen, if Grayson Allen's hitting eight

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight Fire a guest he's

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Speaker 2: never been on the pod before. It's so funny. We're

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Speaker 2: getting to the stage where I'm getting older and athletes

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Speaker 2: who I you know, bet on and watched the NBA

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Speaker 2: and college basketball, they're now coming on podcasts. Welcome in

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Speaker 2: John Henson, former North Carolina big man, former Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 2: lottery pick and played in the league for what about

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Speaker 2: ten years? McDonald's All America, John, How are you man?

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Speaker 1: I'm going well, man, Thanks for having me excited to

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Speaker 1: be on the other side. Now I can talk how

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Speaker 1: I want to talk. I can bet on sports. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like I can you know, I

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Speaker 1: hammered Duke last night. That was a good feeling even.

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Speaker 2: On Oh that was a good hit. Yeah. So you're

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Speaker 2: currently so you born in Greensboro, grew up at like

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Speaker 2: a kind of our Texas and a couple other places,

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Speaker 2: but now you've settled in Tampa. And I went to

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, NBA retirement looks nice on

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Speaker 2: boats fishing, and your rec league looks like you're fairly dominant.

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Speaker 2: Is that safe to say?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I fish, I golf, you know I do. I

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Speaker 1: I do some other stuff for the Field of sixty

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Speaker 1: eight network. So I'll be going to the Final four

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Speaker 1: as a I mean, I guess I'm credential, which is

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Speaker 1: agent calls me say, look, Mbacy network is in New

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Speaker 1: York sports betting show to look for talent. And never

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Speaker 1: So when I went up there, they were like, wow,

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Speaker 2: Nice, that's good, good to hear. Glad you're getting in

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Speaker 2: on the game. But we'll get to college basketball March

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Speaker 2: badness in a minute. I just like your story. You know. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: one thing instantly jumped out when I heard, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: my gosh, of course, and I had to look it up.

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Speaker 2: at your team with Harrison Barnes, and you guys were stacked, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, stacked, But you went to UNC after they lost

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Speaker 1: So so you have the game. The game has changed,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious. In high school, did you play any wing

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Speaker 1: I was a big man in high school. I played wing.

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Speaker 1: I shot threes. I mean I shot the ball a

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Speaker 2: doesn't look My favorite team going up was Patrick ewings Nicks,

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Speaker 2: and I remember like Anthony Mason was tough. This is

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Speaker 2: probably before your time. But like Charles Oakley, you know,

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Speaker 2: saying Charles Oakley couldn't play in the NBA, but where

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Speaker 1: and Jared were is getting thrown around.

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00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: Like ragdos what do you think that's about?

429
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: I just want to see, hey, look, we're not drafting him.

430
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 1: Let's have some fun. That's how I felt it was.

431
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

432
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: Wow.

433
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 2: So they ended up taking Draymond Green in the second round.

434
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they took Harrison number.

435
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 2: Seven they did, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you could tell

436
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 2: they were going Harrison. Interesting. So I'm sure that's a

437
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 2: crappy feeling you guys brought me. But you couldn't say that,

438
00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,479
Speaker 2: right you're a young like twenty one.

439
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're excited, but you know once you once

440
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: you sit back and looked at you like okay, Well

441
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: I literally called Harson like, yeah, go, I did go

442
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: to state right of the day. They're gonna pick you.

443
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: Because I don't think they even asked me how my

444
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: flight was, let alone, how like they didn't ask me

445
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: any I don't think I answered one question about myself.

446
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 1: It's all about you.

447
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 2: That's a little that's a bit of a bummer anyway,

448
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: So you get drafted by the Bucks, and it's so weird.

449
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 2: I did not even realize this until I really looked

450
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 2: at you. You ended up playing with young Yiannis in Milwaukee,

451
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: which is crazy, so you know you had to would

452
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 2: you say a good run there? Like I know you

453
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 2: were a big guy in the community. Obviously I was

454
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Speaker 2: out of one incident that you know was racial profiling.

455
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 2: But I don't know some of the stuff I was

456
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 2: reading about Scotti Skyles and Jason Kidd and you getting

457
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,239
Speaker 2: in the doghouse. I don't know how much you want

458
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 2: to get into that, but I'm sure the audience care.

459
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: Was coach Skiles. So when I got there, we had

460
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 1: like mante Elis and Brandon Jennings and we had Droppris, Billa,

461
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: Drew Gooden, Samuel Dallen Bear. These are like the old

462
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: school NBA guys, so like it was like a real

463
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: it was like a transition. Like for instance, like I

464
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: would have to get Popeyes and Pizza Hut every plane trip,

465
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: right every trip. If you did that today in the NBA,

466
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: like you might get traded, like seriously, like that's how

467
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: much exchanged, Like if you're not bringing in Keenwa bowls

468
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: and smoothies, Like they gonna be like, what are you doing,

469
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: Like you can't eat pizza, which I think is I

470
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: guess it's right, but dudes still eat pizza, like just

471
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: not on the plane anymore. Right. So Skiles he was

472
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: he was, he was tough. But I really I got

473
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Speaker 1: lucky because Skiles doesn't take shit if you're not playing hard,

474
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: if you're not if you don't want to play, he's

475
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna play. Okay, rook get in there. He don't want

476
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: to play, rook, get in there. I'll play forty minutes.

477
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: So I was blessed to have a coach like that

478
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: because nobody really want At the time, nobody wanted to

479
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: be in Milwaukee. No one really wanted to Yeah, nobody

480
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: really wanted to be there. There's a lot of guys

481
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: with contracts that were that were you know, free agents

482
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: like Mike Dunleavy, Monte Ellis didn't sign an extension, Brandon

483
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: Jennings didn't sign an extension, like, so there was a

484
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 1: lot of things going on with that team. And I

485
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: was just a young ope, wide eyed, bushytail rookie, like

486
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: just wanted to play basketball. And you know, I mean

487
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: I had a game that year where I had like

488
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: twenty one points or seventeen points, twenty five rebounds, seven blocks,

489
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: like as a rookie, Yeah, me shack and tumbles some

490
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 1: wild stat that I have no business being a part of.

491
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: So I got to kind of show what I could do.

492
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: And then that led me to the next year where

493
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: I played fairly well, and then we got a new coach,

494
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, which was Jay Kidd. And then Jakid comes

495
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: in and says, you guys want fifteen games. I don't

496
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: care if you average twenty points last year, you guys sucked,

497
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 1: And so I had to rebrand myself to try to

498
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: play for his system, which fortunately for me, I was

499
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: able and adapted, went up to do that and uh,

500
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, sign an extension and the rest of history.

501
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: Kid has been kind of a lot of people pin

502
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: him as the reason that was holding Gianni's back. So

503
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: they then let go ahead and they bring in Budenolzer

504
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: and they win the title. I don't know what how

505
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: do you characterize Kid as a coach?

506
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: You know, he he had I mean literally, he was

507
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: his first He went with the nets, right, and that

508
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: was his first experience as a coach period and being

509
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: in the NBA level. If your first year is being

510
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: a coach, that's Steve Nash. How that was. Yeah, he

511
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: even been back. Steve was like, all right, that's not

512
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: for me. Right. So he was learning just like just

513
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: like just like anybody else, learning on the fly, and

514
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: his basketball mind never been around anyone like it. I mean,

515
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: he would he you know, some of the stuff he

516
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: would do in practice, right, he'd be like, you know what,

517
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: give me the ball. Right, he stand out of bounce

518
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, run to play. He'll hit a

519
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: due for a lip. You don't see that. We're like, no,

520
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: we're not. First Battle Hall of Fame twenty year Championship

521
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: point guard. We did not see that coach. And like

522
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: one day we were playing in San Antonio. We were

523
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: come off a bad loss and we were down, like

524
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: a couple guys were injured, and he practices with us

525
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: and at that age forty whatever, and he still was

526
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: fast and physical. Now, the day after that practice he

527
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: was in shambles. But that day, I mean, he still

528
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: was able to play with us and not necessarily be

529
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: a liability.

530
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

531
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, he's yeah, he's I mean, just being

532
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: able to be coached by him, and you know, I

533
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: think that was something that I'll kind of cherish man,

534
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: because you don't get to be around gatness like that

535
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: all the time.

536
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: So the first year of Milwaukee and then the second year,

537
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: a young kid named Jannis gets drafted. You know, they

538
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: took him. I guess lottery a bit of a surprise.

539
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: I am again, at the time, I'm sure it was nothing,

540
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 2: But looking back, did you see anything in those early

541
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: stays that were like, Holy cow, this guy's gonna take

542
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: over the league.

543
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: So the first day he comes in, I used to

544
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: just stay in Milwaukee for the summers. That was just

545
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: my strategy for the organization and wanted to be there.

546
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: Hey look, we got to show you want to be there,

547
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: you gotta live there. And no one's there in the summer.

548
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: I was there by myself. And so he gets he

549
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: comes in and they say, hey, John Man, Hey, shoot up, man,

550
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: I want to play Gianni's one on one. I'm like,

551
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: all right, but this kid, and he's eighteen years old,

552
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm three. I'm I'm a three year college guy plus

553
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: a year in the league, right like I'm I'm I'm

554
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a tough cookie, you know what. I'm saying,

555
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: and apparently Yannis had not played over Division two or

556
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: three in Greece, which you know, apparently is like high

557
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: level high schoolers, right, So we played one on one.

558
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: He can't even get a shot off. He just had

559
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: he just hadn't adjusted. But what I did, I mean

560
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: I beat him every spot. And you know, he'll tell

561
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: you the same story. But what I did notice about

562
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: him was he was very savvy, very for a young kid.

563
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: The the handles with defending, how he would grab your hip,

564
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: and like he was just very he had a mature

565
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: feel for the game that usually kids his age don't have.

566
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: And that's the first thing I kind of notice about him.

567
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: And then he's just headstrong man as as the way

568
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: he plays, right, He's just so headstrong. So I think

569
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: I could turn important in his career where even a team,

570
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, our team was like kind of looking at them, Okay,

571
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: young fellow was One day we split up bigs and

572
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: guards and coach kids like, just go down with the bigs.

573
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not a big man. He's like, what

574
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: do you mean. He's like, I'm not a big man.

575
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm a guard. Like I'm not going down there. And

576
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: Jay k was like, okay, well go hand there with

577
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: the guards, right, And then I think everyone in the

578
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: gym was like, okay, kids got some some balls, right,

579
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: kids from He's he's got something to them. And I

580
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: remember the first drill he comes down with the arms handling,

581
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, he's a guard right, Like okay, like

582
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, and and and that's kind of my Yannis story.

583
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: And I mean he worked so hard. I mean he's

584
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: one of the hardest working guys I know. And that's

585
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: a credit to one of the coaches, Sean Swainey, who

586
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: became close with who's in he's in Dallas right now

587
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: with cauch kid. He kind of they had like a

588
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: brotherly relationship, but he pushed them. He pushed them hard,

589
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: and they argued and they fought, but you know, kind

590
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: of still that kind of like nashiness in them that

591
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: he has. And obviously you see where he's become now.

592
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone thought that was gonna happen. But

593
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: that's that's beautiful thing about sports.

594
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you you even said it, not a lot

595
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: of people wanted to be in Milwaukee at the time.

596
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: I'm curious, what did Yanna simply change that, or have

597
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: social media helped change that because you're one of those

598
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: weird athletes who when you were in high school, I

599
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: don't think social media was like a big thing like

600
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: instagrams that none of that. Right, well, the college or

601
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: was there something?

602
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: Well when you win, right we started winning, it's a

603
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: lot easier. People want to come right when you win.

604
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: It's just it's just inherently easier to commit somewhere. Like

605
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, even if you look at it. Remember of

606
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: Dame Lillard interview and they were talking about what do

607
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: you do? He's like, honestly, my life is pretty boring.

608
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: I sit in the house and I watch YouTube boxing.

609
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: Like that's Milwaukee. You you practice, you go home the

610
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: way the city set up, Like if you live downtown,

611
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys do, so the younger guys do.

612
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: But like there's thirty minutes out of Brookfield in those

613
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: areas to have home, so a lot of the families

614
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: live out there. So it's just not that type of city.

615
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: A lot of guys that came to Milwaukee that were

616
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: married said that marriage just got a lot stronger when

617
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: they moved to Milwaukee.

618
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: So wow, I did not did not see that one coming,

619
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: so you know you have a good run in Milwaukee.

620
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: I do need to add about what one of the

621
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: best clips I saw was the Matt Barnes incident. Obviously

622
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: I listen. I've worked with Matt a little bit of Fox.

623
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: He is a super interesting guy. A little intimidating initially,

624
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: but he's just such a dude, soft spoken, easy to

625
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: work with. But so you had picked up a technical

626
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: earlier in the game or maybe in the fourth quarter,

627
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: and then at the end, Barnes is like driving and

628
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: you swat the living daylights out of his shot, like

629
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: basically a volleyball spike. Crowd's going wild, there's like five

630
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: seconds left, you're flexing. I think the refs gave you

631
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: a technical for maybe exuberant celebration. So you get ejected.

632
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: Barnes argues and on the YouTube clip, all of a sudden,

633
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: you know he doesn't get a tech, but I mean

634
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: they just tell him that you're subbed out, and he

635
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: doesn't sit on the bench. He runs into the tunnel

636
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: and I can't really find John if he got to

637
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: the locker room, and there's a lot of there's some

638
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: tweets at the time that were unclear. Why did you

639
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: give us the real story?

640
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was having a bad day that day. NBA.

641
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: It's gonna keep going. You play every day every other day.

642
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: At the time, me and my my lady the time

643
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: we got into a big army before the game, I

644
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: was coming back off a back injury, where coach Kids

645
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: sat me in his office, was like, hey, man, we

646
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: need you back. We need you man like we need

647
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: we need you. I could have probably waited another week, no,

648
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: like like I could have played, but you know I

649
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: could have. I could, but I said another week would

650
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: have been great. But if coach needs me, I want

651
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: to be there for my teammates. I don't play the

652
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: whole first half, right, I played the last three minutes.

653
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: The first half I played really well when I get

654
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: in there. So the second half I ended up playing minutes.

655
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: So I'm pissed. I'm so pissed now. At the time,

656
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: I think the thing, you know, I found out later

657
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: because for me, when the Matt Bars thing happened, he

658
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: ran into the locker room, or he ran to the

659
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: he came through the door. So there's two interests. You

660
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: come through the front door with the coach office and

661
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: then you come to our locker room, gets.

662
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: To the door.

663
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: He's yelling, his scream and securities holding him back. I'm

664
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: on the other side. I could see I could see him,

665
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: so I'm facing he can't see me, but I could

666
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: see him at the door, okay, screaming, yelling profanities, and

667
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this dude's pissed, like like I ain't

668
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: that man, you know what I'm saying, Like this dude

669
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: wants to like get in here and get after me,

670
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: like you know, like I wasn't that upset, like we

671
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, now, I was still upset, but I wasn't

672
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: upset to the point where I'm about to fight somebody

673
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, this is not that's not even who I

674
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: am as a person. So like I'm not about to

675
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: fight you, dude, Like this was a heat of the

676
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: moment competitive game. We got tossed, like we move on.

677
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: So anyways, he goes back into his locker room and

678
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: then you know, apparently he's waiting outside. They won't even

679
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: let me leave. They took my keys. They took my keys.

680
00:32:52,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: They the bucks, the security l a we have valet. Yeah,

681
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: so so they took my keys. They wouldn't let me leave.

682
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: They said, no, you cannot go there. He's outside. I said,

683
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: I said, come on, man, Like, what's he gonna like

684
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: attack me? Like like what like this we're NBA players,

685
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: Like okay, well if he comes after me, whatever, we're

686
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: gonna fight for a little bit and the like. It's

687
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: not like we're just gonna be in the streets by ourself, right,

688
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: Like I can walk to my car, Like everybody's got

689
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: to relax. No, no, no, you can't leave. We're like,

690
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: I said, well I'm walking out. They're like, well, we

691
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: don't have you don't have your keys, so you can't

692
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: go nowhere. So I'm just like all right, I sit

693
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I wait. They end up taking

694
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: my car and pulling around to the other entrance and

695
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: then I finally get to leave. And I just thought

696
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: that was just the dumbest thing ever, because you know,

697
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything would have happened, but like, I

698
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: didn't think it was that deep. And the reason why

699
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: it all started was I flavor found Lance Stevenson. Uh So,

700
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: Lance goes to the free throw line and then Matt

701
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: was just talking to me. I don't remember what he

702
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: was saying, but I was just kind of like, bro,

703
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with you, Like, relax, Like

704
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with you. Like I said

705
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: something to the tune of that probably a little more

706
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: disrespectful obviously, but yeah, and he was like, what did

707
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: you say, a young fellow, you better show me some respect.

708
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: And then that's when it just took off.

709
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's an added element. That's not I like that.

710
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean again, I don't know how much fans like that.

711
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: Have you. You haven't seen Barnes since, have you.

712
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him. I'd imagine we'd probably say what's up.

713
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a very chill guy. I mean, I'm super

714
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: nice and friendly, all right, Yeah, beyond the battles. I

715
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: am just curious. Uh, you know, like when it's time

716
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: to hang it up. You've been cheered since I'm so

717
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: sure you sports au high school, You've been the man

718
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: everywhere you went. I made a lot of money in

719
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: the NBA. What's it like when you're like, you know what,

720
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: I think, I'm just gonna I'm shut powered out.

721
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm done. I was. I'll tell you. I was in

722
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. I had a lot of I had a

723
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: lot of play. I could have played, and I don't

724
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: know if you know read Star Belgrade, Serbia. Yeah, so

725
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: Real Star was calling. China was offered me a lot

726
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: of money. There's a couple like European teams that were like, hey, look,

727
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: we'll if well, well, we're not gonna pay him a

728
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: lot of money now, but if he if he does well,

729
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: then out over here. Because you know you're a league.

730
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: They're not just going to throw you a bunch of money.

731
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: You got to prove you can play in that league,

732
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: then you'll pay you. So I said, man, I'm not

733
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: trying to go to Europe. I tell my agent, I said,

734
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: I want to go somewhere where there's a beach within

735
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: ten miles. Find me in that place, I'll be there.

736
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: And so Puerto Rico calls. Pretty much every team in

737
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: the league was like interested. So it was like my

738
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: choice to pick. I picked this team called the Gundable Mets.

739
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: I go over there to practice in April. I tweaked

740
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: my calf for a little bit, but I ended up

741
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: practicing and the power goes out for five days. The

742
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: power playing catches on fire and I have no power

743
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: for five days. Now, I went to a hotel, but

744
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: I had to like I went to a hotel eventually,

745
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: but like I mean for the first day or two,

746
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I'm gonna grind this out.

747
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: This is overseas life, Like I'm not about to be

748
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: boozy NBA player, Like We're gonna figure it out. So

749
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: I'm charging my phone in the car and watching TV

750
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: in the car to my phone's charged, and I mean

751
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: sandwiches and stuff like you know what I'm saying, and

752
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: roughing it. And you know, in Puerto Rico, the power

753
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: goes out apparently a lot, so people kind of people

754
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: are kind of just going up after normal days, which

755
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: I thought was pretty cool, right, Like if the power

756
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: goes out here for five days, we'd have to like

757
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: lock our doors and shut her in, Like yeah, get sketchy.

758
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: So the coach there, I don't know, I don't I

759
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: don't well, I don't know what his issue was with me.

760
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to say issue, but like you know,

761
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: when we had a discussion, he would be like like

762
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: why are you here? He made enough money. I'd be

763
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: like what. I was like, what what'd you say? I'm

764
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: just asking, man, like you know, what, why are you here?

765
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: I said, well, why are you here? Because he was

766
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: an older guy American and a lot of coaching in

767
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: that league are like younger Puerto Rican guy coaches that

768
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: like maybe trying to increase their profile. He was Seth

769
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Greenberg's brother.

770
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: For context, I know Seth Greenberg a little bit. We've

771
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: had some issues because I joked about him screwing up

772
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: on Steph Curry and he didn't like that.

773
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't know his brother, right, sounds about right, his

774
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: brother like for some you know. And I had heard

775
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: that he wanted certain players and then I called and

776
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: they were like, well, John Hinson called no, right, I'd

777
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: heard there's some rumblings that I it wasn't necessary the

778
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: guy that he wanted. But obviously for an eight year,

779
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: nine year NBA guys calling you to come play for you, Dwight,

780
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: how is it right now? Same team? Actually? Oh?

781
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 2: Is he really?

782
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? He just signed with him, so I know why

783
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: they pay good. But yeah, So I'm sitting in a

784
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: dark I'm sitting there like, man, I think I'm gonna

785
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: go home.

786
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need this.

787
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: I think I think I hang it up, you know

788
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because I would live just Hey, I

789
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: hope people listening because this is a funny story. I

790
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: like a practice at six o'clock every day, right six o'clock.

791
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: So I'm in Puerto Rico. I'm like semi retired. I'm

792
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: not necessarily thinking like this is a resurgent career type situation.

793
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: It's just I'm a hoop and enjoy being in Puerto Rico,

794
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: which was awesome weather it was beautiful. So yeah, I

795
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: would like sometimes I would go get like a margarita

796
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: before a practice because it's like six o'clock, Like you

797
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like we just go like you know,

798
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: like it's practically six, like I need to go get

799
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: IU would get dinner and like get a little margarita

800
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: before practice, and like that was kind of how I

801
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: was doing it, you know what I mean. And uh,

802
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: it was fun. We practiced late, got home at eight

803
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: or nine, went to sleep, and you know, didn't really

804
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: have many days off either. So I think the the

805
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: whole day was yours to do whatever you want whole day.

806
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: But you can't really do whatever you want right proccess six.

807
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean if you want to go to

808
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: the beach for five hours, actually that wears you down.

809
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: Sitting in the sun.

810
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. You can't go to you know, you

811
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: gotta chill. So did you have like.

812
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: A crew or a group of friends on the team

813
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: or anything were cool?

814
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had some guys that, you know, we would

815
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: have like every once in a while, we'd have like

816
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: an off day, we'd all go put a ten up

817
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: at the beach and just chill. And that was the

818
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: one that was the more fun thing, man, just being

819
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: able to chill at the beach and.

820
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, vibe.

821
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: But we didn't get a lot off days, like it

822
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, I thought we would get one

823
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: or two days a week, you know, NBA, you know

824
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: spoiled like nah, like practice to day, practice today. And

825
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, it was just a situation where I was like,

826
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: you know what this is. This is a good experience.

827
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: It was humbling as well. It was very humbling, very humbling.

828
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: And so came home and started the gauntlet of the

829
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: sports media thing.

830
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: And here I am, all right, so we could wrap

831
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: up with sports media. You're doing a lot of college

832
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: basketball stuff. It's a weird year. A last year, none

833
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: of the number one seeds got to the final four.

834
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: I think none of them got to the e lead

835
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: eight and this year, everybody, oh, Connecticut's going to repeat.

836
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: I love Houston, and I'm like, I don't know, guys,

837
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: maybe I'm all messed up from last year's wackiness, but

838
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: I don't give me. Give me a sleeper or two.

839
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: Who you got at top twenty teen that could make

840
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: a run. It feels kind of sort of wide open.

841
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: I think tonight will be the coming out party. So

842
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: I would hop on this line at Florida UF plus

843
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: sixteen hundred on to the final four. It's it will

844
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: go down tomorrow.

845
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: Wait, why Florida.

846
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: I like what they have. They're trending in the right direction.

847
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: They've got a good young coach, They've got the size, athleticism,

848
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: and the dynamic guards. I mean, they're built like these

849
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: teams that are really really good, and as of late

850
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: they've been rolling. So I think tonight they take care

851
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: of Alabama. They were up by fifteen or fourteen at

852
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: their place in Alabama, storing backers, which is what Alabama does. Alabama,

853
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: they low you into this. Oh, we can just shoot

854
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: it out with them. Alabama's gonna play the defense. Well,

855
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: you can't shoot out with Alabama. When I was at

856
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: Carolina when teams were trying to run with us, we'd

857
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: be like, we got them, we got them, just keep running.

858
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you look up, We're

859
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: up thirty, you know, and it's one hundred and two

860
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: to eighty, and you know that's you know, so that

861
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of what Alabama does. So I think Florida's

862
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: not going to get into that tonight per se. But

863
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: I like them at plus sixteen hundred and then Houston.

864
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: I like to make the final four. Two. I think

865
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: they break through. They made us think a couple of

866
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: years ago. They're just a tough team to beat without

867
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: the right personnel, and not many people have the right

868
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: personnel for them. So defensively, I think they're going to

869
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: suffocate their opponents until they come against someone that can

870
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: go toe to toe with them. But there's not a

871
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: lot of teams obviously, and they went into Big twelve

872
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: from the American and didn't miss a beat.

873
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: That's a good point on Florida. I'm looking at their stats.

874
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: This is what I hate to bet on in March Madness.

875
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: Bad free throw shooting teams. Yeah, two hundred and eighty

876
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: fourth in the country in free throws because you know

877
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: these March Badness games are gonna be close, and I

878
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: it's so frustrating to bet on a team and they're

879
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: clanging free throws. They do crush it on the offensive glass.

880
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: How much do you put in stock do you put

881
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: in this that some of these guys? For instance, I

882
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: click on one of the names, Terrese Samuel, you know,

883
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: big guy crushes it on the glass. John he turns

884
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: twenty four in a couple of days.

885
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: I always laugh, Like Devin Booker was signing for two

886
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: hundred million at twenty four. I was signed. I signed

887
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: my extension at twenty five, like I was three years

888
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: into the NBA. So like, it's so interesting to see

889
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: these like when I was twenty Like when I was

890
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: twenty four, if I was in college, Oh my.

891
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: God, you'd be dominating.

892
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Right, Like it's like I think quarterback

893
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: Ryan on you and see's like twenty five twenty six.

894
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Memphis is average age. University of Memphis average age is

895
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: like twenty five point three twenty four at that point eight,

896
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: like something like that, Like these are pros.

897
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Memphis. One of the older teams, Saint Bonaventure, looks

898
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: like they're the most experienced team in the country. So

899
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: the transfer portal has really it's it's kind of helped.

900
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: But I don't know, John, If I if I'm in

901
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: an NCAA tournament game where I'm twenty four years old

902
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: and I'm being guarded by a nineteen year old, like

903
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: gets game over.

904
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: Isn't it.

905
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: It is like.

906
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: Did you I don't care if you're a McDonald's All American.

907
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: If you're nineteen, your body and nothing's nearly developed.

908
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: I remember, do you remember Bernard James, who's out Bernard

909
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: James f for Florida State the military.

910
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: Oh, the big guy, yeah, yeah, yeah.

911
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was twenty six man. He was throwing us

912
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: around like rag dolls out there, Like I remember playing

913
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: against him, like I couldn't do anything with him. I

914
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 1: felt like I was playing against a grown man out there.

915
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's what happens with the older guys.

916
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 1: And it also is another reason why these freshman teams

917
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: like Kentucky. I think in a normal year, Kentucky would

918
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: be a lot better. But oh yeah, you have these

919
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: these fifth years, six year grad pandemic guys Like, yeah, Kentucky,

920
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: you're playing against twenty four year old. Now you're playing

921
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: this guys six years older than you. Won't go. It's

922
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: not gonna go as well as you think. I don't

923
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: care how talented you are as a freshman.

924
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. This Houston team. I like them. They

925
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: got some real good players.

926
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: I just they're banged up though right now too. It's

927
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see if they can get help you.

928
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: I'm worried to take an offensively challenged team. And I

929
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: know the numbers are good, their top fifteen offense, but

930
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: they're a defensive team. And you just I just remember

931
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: that NCAA tournament game. Was it like the Elite eight

932
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: or Sweet sixteen where they fall behind by ten? It's like,

933
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: we can't come back. We just we don't have the offense,

934
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: we don't have the firepower. Who is it against last year?

935
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: Me looked at it, Well, it was against Miami. Yeah,

936
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: they got blasted by Miami in the Sweet sixteen, lost

937
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: by fourteen.

938
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: And I am they play such a like like. The

939
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: only team that has that has that profile of how

940
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: they played defensively in their style of play was their

941
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: UVA team that won. And so that's one that's one

942
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: team out of years and years and years and years

943
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: of data and analytics. So I don't think they necessarily

944
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: have the best shot to win it. But I do

945
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: love them to make it to the final four. I

946
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: just think that that's their floor. But once they come

947
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: against a high power, like you know, when you get

948
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: to the final four, right, I mean you're going to

949
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: be playing, yeah, someone that's probably as good offensively and

950
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: defensive top you know, top twenties. You say the last

951
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: twenty champions have been top twenty five defense, top ten

952
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: defense efficiency.

953
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep. So let me give you two of

954
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: those real quick. Creighton any interest at all? Or are

955
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: they too soft? They don't. They don't pressure the ball defensively.

956
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: I like Craig could get hot and make a run

957
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: in the tournament. I just don't know if they have

958
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: the defensive I don't know if they I don't know

959
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: if they can win other ways. I look for teams

960
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: that can win other ways. That's why I like Houston

961
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: because you got to think, too, Houston has an offensive explosion.

962
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Now you're they're beating anybody. Houston can play defense. Hey,

963
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: we can slow the game down offensively. If you want

964
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: to go with if you want to go toe to

965
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: toe with Houston, they can. They can go toe to

966
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: toe with you. Now that's not their style of playing.

967
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: But I like Iowa State too.

968
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, they're very good. I was gonna throw the

969
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: last one I throw at you. Tennessee with the kid

970
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: Dalton connect who is I mean, he's such a baller.

971
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: I like these stories. By the way, I know you

972
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: were like a McDonald's All American pread All American. This

973
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: is a kid who was at like Northern Colorado. Oh,

974
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: we don't know if he can cut it. We don't

975
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: know if he can cut it, goes to Tennessee and

976
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: is like, you know, potential All American candidate, And now

977
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: they're like, is he a first round pick? I don't know.

978
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: I don't know how much you watch of him, but

979
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: any interest in Tennessee.

980
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: I love Tennessee because if you saw the game against

981
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: was an Auburn. I mean he put he took that

982
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: game over. And that's a scary team because they defend

983
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: at a high level. But also if they get going,

984
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: they'll blow you out of the water.

985
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: Right Oh he had thirty nine damn yeah right, yeah, yeah.

986
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: They'll blow you out of the water. So that's a

987
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: team that's scary, and they're kind of knocking on the

988
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: door to the last couple of years they've been, you know,

989
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of there at the end spe sixteen of l

990
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: eate not going getting over the hump, but they have

991
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: the pieces. Man. I like Tennessee all right.

992
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: I've kept him too long. John Henson, former North Carolina star,

993
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: former NBA player, former teammate of Giannis. Great stories, John,

994
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, and uh, you know, good luck in

995
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: the media game. I don't think you'll need it, but

996
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: good luck anyway.

997
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: Thank you, man, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.