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Speaker 4: Because often Brian will monologue, and Brian does have a
Speaker 4: great monologue prepped for the end of the show that's
Speaker 4: going to be about why Democrats lost.
Speaker 6: I'm really excited for that.
Speaker 4: We're going to start with new Trump appointments, also late
Speaker 4: last night, naming an education secretary. We're going to walk
Speaker 4: through all of that and actually, on the.
Speaker 1: Point when they're even getting funnier, almost.
Speaker 4: There's a WWE connection. We'll get into that just a moment.
Speaker 4: We'll be talking about Matt Gates and to the point
Speaker 4: you were just making Ryan, I mean, I think this
Speaker 4: has been covered very.
Speaker 6: Poorly by media.
Speaker 4: There's just a lot more context that makes the story,
Speaker 4: whether you love or hate Matt Gates, actually more interesting.
Speaker 4: So we'll be talking about Matt Gates today. We'll be
Speaker 4: talking about the second day of Morning Joe outrage. Why
Speaker 4: is it worth talking about because it's fascinating to see
Speaker 4: how the inner circle of the Joe and Mika world
Speaker 4: is reacting to them. We'll be talking about the ongoing
Speaker 4: trial of Lake and Riley and the murder of Lake
Speaker 4: and Riley, and we have a guest Ryan talking about Israel.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Aviv Retigerr is a very high profile journalist in Israel.
Speaker 5: I would describe him as kind of a bit to
Speaker 5: the right of net Yahoo. So we'll it will let him,
Speaker 5: you know, plant himself on the on the spectrum. But
Speaker 5: that's I don't think he would even consider that to
Speaker 5: be an insult. We're gonna we're gonna talk to him
Speaker 5: at the at the back end of the show a
Speaker 5: couple things. It will maybe we'll get to talk to
Speaker 5: him about the Joint Resolution of Disapproval. That's that's the
Speaker 5: technical name for a measure that is coming up in
Speaker 5: the Senate later today that would basically restrict some arms
Speaker 5: to Israel.
Speaker 1: It's it's a historic vote in.
Speaker 5: The sense that the the Senate never allows kind of
Speaker 5: floor votes on blocking weapons to Israel. There's a there's
Speaker 5: a particular provision of law that allows any Senator to
Speaker 5: get such a measure onto the floor. Bernie Centers has
Speaker 5: gone through that very complicated process to make that happen.
Speaker 1: So that's going to happen later today.
Speaker 5: The advocates of it are hoping for maybe twenty votes max.
Speaker 5: Like they're not expecting it the past, but they think
Speaker 5: if they can get above twenty, push closer to even thirty,
Speaker 5: that at least it sends a shot. One other thing
Speaker 5: we won't get a chance to talk about, but since
Speaker 5: we won't be doing a show before then November twenty fourth,
Speaker 5: it's going to be a revolution in Pakistan.
Speaker 1: So it's going to get wild.
Speaker 6: First.
Speaker 5: Imran Khan has called for massive nationwide protests and particularly
Speaker 5: focused on Islamabad. I'm hearing that in Pakistan the government,
Speaker 5: now military government, is basically barring buses from bringing people
Speaker 5: to Islamabad, shutting down gas stations, doing everything they can
Speaker 5: to try to prevent millions of people from descending on
Speaker 5: the capitol. Well, they believe that Trump is more sympathetic,
Speaker 5: much more sympathetic than Biden to their democracy movement, which
Speaker 5: is all, which is interesting in all, probably also true.
Speaker 4: Although then it you have to talk about people like
Speaker 4: Tulsi Gabbard and others that will be around Trump who
Speaker 4: might deal with these questions before they even get to Trump.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but who knows, who knows where she comes
Speaker 5: down on that question. It's going to be it's going
Speaker 5: to be extremely interesting. Yeah, Rick and Grinnell, who's very
Speaker 5: close advisor that Trump has played foot seat with.
Speaker 1: The im Ron Khan kind of movement.
Speaker 5: Very interesting, all right, Like right before the election, he
Speaker 5: was like retweeting photos of himself with like im Ron
Speaker 5: Khan or whatever. It was like really sending subtle He
Speaker 5: wouldn't quite say anything positive, but he was sending very
Speaker 5: subtle signals that were picked up loud and clear. So
Speaker 5: in Ron Khan is thinking like, this is my shot
Speaker 5: that we're going to We're going to kick it off
Speaker 5: now and we're going to stay in as Lamabad until
Speaker 5: Trump is inaugurated and see what happens.
Speaker 4: Well, if you care about this issue and want to
Speaker 4: stay tuned to Ryan's coverage here on Breaking Points, because
Speaker 4: it is truly incredible.
Speaker 1: Coming to coming to a climax looks like fascinating.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's start with the A block and
Speaker 4: Trump's decision to nominate Howard Lutnick, who was we can
Speaker 4: put this up a one who was under consideration, very
Speaker 4: seriously under consideration for Treasury Treasury secretary. He's now being
Speaker 4: nominated for Commerce Secretaries, the CEO of Canter Fitzgerald. He
Speaker 4: had been pushed by Elon Musk as a disruptor for
Speaker 4: the Treasury secretary job. Trump is apparently very nervous about
Speaker 4: the markets. This is some of the reporting is that
Speaker 4: if you nominate a disruptor for Treasury, it could affect
Speaker 4: the markets in ways that Donald Trump is very sensitive
Speaker 4: to how that reflects on the president, so he doesn't
Speaker 4: want to. Reportedly, this is the theory. I think it's
Speaker 4: actually probably a pretty good one.
Speaker 6: Ryan.
Speaker 4: He doesn't necessarily want to spook the markets too much
Speaker 4: by putting a disruptor like people think Lutnick could be.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how true it is that Lutnick would
Speaker 4: be a disruptor, to be honest, but he's at commerce now.
Speaker 4: It's sort of a loss for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think Trump was spooked when some of his Gates
Speaker 5: like and Gates appointments kind of book the market and
Speaker 5: started creating a lot of volatility. There's this famous anecdote
Speaker 5: from when James Carville and Bill Clinton first took power
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety two. They came in with these I'm
Speaker 5: not going to call them ambitious plans, but they came
Speaker 5: in with plans and they were immediately confronted by their
Speaker 5: economic advisors saying, if you do X, Y and Z,
Speaker 5: the bond market is going to respond this way. And
Speaker 5: when the bond market responds this way, that changes all
Speaker 5: your calculations. Over here this way, you're actually already seeing
Speaker 5: tenyure treasuries falling and the mortgage interest rates increasing because
Speaker 5: the market believes that Trump's policies of mass deportation and
Speaker 5: tariffs are going to be inflation area. And so the
Speaker 5: bond market is already kicking Trump's reear end. So the
Speaker 5: famous anecdote is that Carville said when he died, he
Speaker 5: wanted to come back as the bond market because it's
Speaker 5: the most powerful institution in the world.
Speaker 1: It's still true.
Speaker 5: And so I think and Trump under intuitably understands interest
Speaker 5: rates because his entire real estate game play for decades
Speaker 5: was just an interest rate in cash flow play. So
Speaker 5: he like, he really has a feel for interest rates
Speaker 5: in a way that most politicians don't. And that's why
Speaker 5: I think he berated the Federal Reserve so effectively throughout
Speaker 5: his first term, the first president to really kind of
Speaker 5: break that wall between the supposed independence of the Fed,
Speaker 5: which is not independent, it's a political institution, and the
Speaker 5: elected leadership in the country.
Speaker 1: So yes, I think.
Speaker 5: You're right that he's.
Speaker 1: Being dragged around by his tail by the bond market
Speaker 1: here in.
Speaker 4: Latink was the co chair of the Trump transition, and
Speaker 4: he's been sort of stumping for Trump on CNBC and
Speaker 4: has for a while, which Trump is also reportedly not
Speaker 4: very impressive with CNBC. He's been watching with the Morning
Speaker 4: Show over on CNBC and Latink had some really viral
Speaker 4: moments like giving this defensive Trump or this it was
Speaker 4: even like you could call it off going on offense
Speaker 4: for the Trump position and you know, on tariffs and
Speaker 4: actually taking the full Trump economic agenda and trying to
Speaker 4: sort of put his Wall Street spin on it.
Speaker 6: One question I have for you.
Speaker 4: Ryan is what does he bring from Canter Fitzgerald in
Speaker 4: terms of like either baggage or advantages going into the
Speaker 4: commerce job.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's the pedigree, the credibility.
Speaker 5: Trump wants somebody who has, you know, went to the
Speaker 5: right schools and worked at the right banks to signal
Speaker 5: to the markets that this person's not a crank. But
Speaker 5: he doesn't want the guy from like Birch Gold as
Speaker 5: his Treasury secretary, Mike Lindell, Mike Lindell as Commerce secretary,
Speaker 5: like that's that's just that's not going to fly. And
Speaker 5: so so it's not about baggage like he's I think
Speaker 5: he's looking for some type of credibility. And I think
Speaker 5: you can tell how upset he is about the fact
Speaker 5: that he had to name him Commerce Secretary by the
Speaker 5: fact that when he announced the pick, he said he
Speaker 5: will also oversee USTR, which is the which is the
Speaker 5: trade representative. So he's like, okay, fine, I'm not getting
Speaker 5: my Treasury pick bond market, you win, but my Commerce
Speaker 5: secretary is going to run trade policy, which and the
Speaker 5: trade USTR. This is the trade representative Robert Littheiser, who
Speaker 5: will probably get.
Speaker 6: That job, but Trump is probably it's.
Speaker 5: A cabinet level pick and it doesn't really report to
Speaker 5: any agency. But what he's suggesting is Lutnik is going
Speaker 5: to be the direction of trade, not not whatever neo
Speaker 5: liberal banker I'm forced to appoint.
Speaker 4: This goes with try I think this goes with your theory.
Speaker 4: Though he's everyone expects this to be Robert Leittheiser. It
Speaker 4: seems like the most obvious appointment that Trump could make,
Speaker 4: and I wonder if he is slow walking it because
Speaker 4: he's trying to dish it out to the markets and
Speaker 4: a different clip to avoid anything.
Speaker 5: I think I think the markets wouldn't freak out about Lightheiser,
Speaker 5: like because he's the.
Speaker 1: Devil they know, true, and the devil they don't know.
Speaker 5: Because they know that light Hazard's not actually going to
Speaker 5: do twenty percent tariffs on everything.
Speaker 1: How dare you that he's going to do much more targeted.
Speaker 5: And the way you do it, you do tariffs on everything,
Speaker 5: and then you waive it for Europe and Africa and
Speaker 5: Southeast Asia and India and South America, and by the
Speaker 5: end you're like, oh wait, this is just just this
Speaker 5: is just China and Antarica that are getting hit with this.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: There's also some talk that maybe Lightehezer gets a trade
Speaker 5: zar position which kind of almost is over top of
Speaker 5: US tr But I think the basic point is, yes,
Speaker 5: he did he this is this and Marco Rubio or
Speaker 5: one of the times he blinked now maybe comes in
Speaker 5: with some you know, radical Treasury secretary nominee, but I
Speaker 5: wouldn't think so, because this was he He was looking
Speaker 5: for somebody who had credentials and bought into a lot
Speaker 5: of Trump's economic policy. The ven diagram of that is
Speaker 5: like one guy and maybe if there any if there
Speaker 5: are any more, I don't know them well.
Speaker 4: Speaking of whether Trump is blinking on some of these,
Speaker 4: let's put a two up on the screen. He made
Speaker 4: another nomination later last night, after passing.
Speaker 6: Her over for Commerce.
Speaker 4: Tara Palmery wrote, I'm hearing that Linda McMahon is the
Speaker 4: lead contender for Secretary of Education. She's coit of the
Speaker 4: co chair of the transition with Lutnik actually, and former
Speaker 4: head of the Small Business Admin during the first term.
Speaker 4: I'm hearing that by Friday all of the major cabinet
Speaker 4: postings will be announced. Now. Trump made that official hours
Speaker 4: after palm Mary reported it. It was like eight pm something
Speaker 4: like that. So Linda McMahon is not somebody who has
Speaker 4: been involved in the education world at all. People who
Speaker 4: work on conservative education policy and it's a fairly big ecosystem,
Speaker 4: is not that they don't have any familiarity with Linda
Speaker 4: McMahon as an education reformer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she won, And I remember this because she ran
Speaker 5: for Senate in two thousand nine. Yea, yeah, hilarious. She
Speaker 5: spent fifty million dollars. Yeah, of her and Vince's money.
Speaker 5: Founders of WW to run for Senate, and it was
Speaker 5: just an utterly insane campaign and it was winnable because
Speaker 5: there was it was in the backlash period against Obama winning.
Speaker 5: You know, a year later Republicans Scott with Scott Brown
Speaker 5: won a Senate race in Massachusetts, so it wasn't an
Speaker 5: unwinnable race in Connecticut. She at the time, she had
Speaker 5: just been elected to the Board of Education in Connecticut.
Speaker 5: But it was that was like a a make work
Speaker 5: kind of credential gig to put it on your resume
Speaker 5: so that you're not just Vince McMahon's wife running for
Speaker 5: running for Senate and have something that you can point to.
Speaker 1: So basically that's her experience. I think she's been on
Speaker 1: the board of some schools. Yeah's most rich people have
Speaker 1: been on the board of schools.
Speaker 5: I mean, you give money to the school and they
Speaker 5: put you on the board.
Speaker 4: Could show up at the animal ball without Yeah, it
Speaker 4: would not be.
Speaker 5: On the board if you're giving the amount of money
Speaker 5: that they're giving to these schools.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So but anyway, all that is to say she was
Speaker 4: in the running for Commerce. So Trump gives Commerce to
Speaker 4: her co chair in the Transit Lutnik, and then slot
Speaker 4: and Linda McMahon into the education role. Betsy Devas obviously
Speaker 4: was his education secretary last time around. In Devas, who
Speaker 4: had a rocky confirmation, actually was spent decades and decades
Speaker 4: deeply and in education policy in a way that frankly
Speaker 4: was terrifying to people who opposed school choice and voucher
Speaker 4: systems and all of that.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure published a book about her called Schoolhouse Wreck.
Speaker 6: I remember this, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 4: So if you're on the left, Betsy Devas has decades
Speaker 4: of experience in education policy is actually like a huge
Speaker 4: threat Linda McMahon incoming Donald Trump says we're going to
Speaker 4: send education back to the States. That was part of
Speaker 4: his statement nominating McMahon last night. That should be much
Speaker 4: less terrifying to anybody who is opposed to like conservative
Speaker 4: reforms to the Department of Education, because I don't understand.
Speaker 6: How she'll have like the appetite.
Speaker 4: For like pretty radical change, to be honest with the
Speaker 4: appetite and like the know how for that doesn't seem
Speaker 4: like it's a deep, un abiding passion of hers, and
Speaker 4: it doesn't seem like, I mean, there will be people
Speaker 4: the Department of Educations are more from the Devas camp.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I'd say less terrifying from the LEF
Speaker 5: perspective than Devas. But it seems like the play here
Speaker 5: is that this is this is a win for kind
Speaker 5: of the Maga world because she's close ally of Trump.
Speaker 1: She's going to do what Trump asks.
Speaker 5: Uh, She's definitely going to buck him with her own
Speaker 5: education ideas, which means that.
Speaker 6: Does she have education ideas?
Speaker 1: Seriously, that's the point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the Maga world it does have education ideas.
Speaker 5: Let's say, and Chris Rufo is he is he welcomed
Speaker 5: back into Maga world after his supportive yantus, He's back in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone's walking back in on except as long as
Speaker 4: you weren't like a Jeb person.
Speaker 6: Okay, but even then, even then.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a it's a big rainbow coalition come back together.
Speaker 5: So for people like Rufo, I feel like this is
Speaker 5: a victory because it's a kind of we secretary who's
Speaker 5: going to then be able to be pressured to do
Speaker 5: particular things or will.
Speaker 4: Be because she doesn't have the conviction to go along
Speaker 4: with a Rufo will block it because it seems unpopular.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that could definitely cut both ways,
Speaker 4: and I would imagine if you are a RUFO.
Speaker 6: And that's why I think.
Speaker 4: This is an example of Trump blinking because the one
Speaker 4: area of policy other than taxes that the conservative movement
Speaker 4: has a very robust ecosystem in his education policy. And
Speaker 4: there are a lot of very radical people in that
Speaker 4: space who have a lot of ideas, especially just germinating
Speaker 4: over the last half.
Speaker 6: Decade, have a lot of ideas about.
Speaker 4: Reform for the Department of Education and want to go
Speaker 4: like run wild as Trump says he's gonna.
Speaker 6: Let Bobby do at HHS and.
Speaker 4: Would love to do that at education anyone with Linda McMahon.
Speaker 4: So in a sense, yeah, maybe she's really malleable and
Speaker 4: maybe she can be pushed around a little bit. But
Speaker 4: also if you backt the like stomach for you know,
Speaker 4: when you when you have those activists showing up outside
Speaker 4: of the Department of Education saying you're starving children in
Speaker 4: the inner cities or you are you know, making kids,
Speaker 4: you know, worse off, and you succumb to the pressure
Speaker 4: rather than sort of digging your heels in and fighting
Speaker 4: as you know, some of these education people on the
Speaker 4: right would want you to do then, and Betsy DeVoss
Speaker 4: probably would have you know, she stuck to her guns
Speaker 4: on title nine.
Speaker 6: She was a little delicate about it.
Speaker 4: But all that is to say, I don't know what
Speaker 4: Linda McK I genuinely just don't.
Speaker 1: Know culture warriors, the culture warriors would have wanted.
Speaker 6: And there are a lot of culture warriors on education
Speaker 6: and the right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so actually maybe I just bullet We'll see. Nobody
Speaker 5: knows why any of this is going to go.
Speaker 4: So even Randy Weiningerten put out a fairly antidyne statement
Speaker 4: about Linda McMahon and said we look forward to learning
Speaker 4: more about Linda McMahon instead of saying like this is
Speaker 4: just another example of ton.
Speaker 5: They'll probably rush to confirm her. Well, let's hurry up,
Speaker 5: and because who knows what could be coming elsewhere. So
Speaker 5: Trump has yet to name Baltimore real estate developer Stringer
Speaker 5: Bell as HUD secretary. He did name doctor Oz to
Speaker 5: run the centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. I stole
Speaker 5: that from somebody online, the hilarious pick. So yeah, doctor
Speaker 5: mamet Oz to run Medicare. This is reporting from the
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two race against John Fetterman in which in
Speaker 5: which doctor Oz is pushing for Medicare advantage for all.
Speaker 1: And so this is actually a pretty layered and interesting.
Speaker 5: Debate here, as the lever points out, because doctor Oz
Speaker 5: is so you know, stink and filthy rich. He owns
Speaker 5: a bunch of United Health Group and CBS stock, which
Speaker 5: and they make a lot of money from Medicare advantage.
Speaker 5: Medicare advantage is a privatized form of Medicare, which you know,
Speaker 5: if you're watching this and you're over sixty five or
Speaker 5: you have parents who are over sixty five, there's a
Speaker 5: fifty percent plus chance that you're.
Speaker 1: On Medicare advantage.
Speaker 5: I think it's something about fifty two percent of people
Speaker 5: on Medicare are actually getting Medicare advantage now. And you know,
Speaker 5: from the left posture on Medicare advantage for many years
Speaker 5: was that it is just straight up bad. And one
Speaker 5: of my first investigative stories fifteen twenty years ago was
Speaker 5: a dig into the way that insurance companies were using
Speaker 5: Medicare advantage to rip off both Medicare and patients and
Speaker 5: doctors and everybody.
Speaker 1: Else just to make profits for themselves.
Speaker 5: Under the Biden administration, there has been a crew of
Speaker 5: people running cms that have that have really cracked down
Speaker 5: on a lot of a lot of that, and so
Speaker 5: it's not I don't think it's as principled an arguments
Speaker 5: as it used as it was framed as before, because
Speaker 5: there are ways, and Florida has shown the way of
Speaker 5: ripping off regular medicare in incredible ways. You know this
Speaker 5: setting up faith, we'll share companies and build billing the
Speaker 5: federal government for one hundred million dollars and then shutting
Speaker 5: your post office box down, moving to the Caymans or whatever.
Speaker 1: The problem comes in with.
Speaker 5: You know what the rules are, who's in charge, who
Speaker 5: has the who has the power in that political economy,
Speaker 5: and if you actually are regulating it in a serious way,
Speaker 5: that having a having private brokers involved isn't necessarily the
Speaker 5: worst thing in the world. And for doctor Oz to
Speaker 5: say he wants medicare advantage for all, that's fascinating.
Speaker 1: That's basically like.
Speaker 5: A public a publicly funded private health insurance option, which
Speaker 5: compared to our current system, would be a fast improvement.
Speaker 4: Now that interesting, You say that, Oh, like he's going
Speaker 4: to get.
Speaker 1: It through, and it was.
Speaker 5: It was his response to Fetterman being for single pair
Speaker 5: when that was more popular back in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: So Medicare Medicare advantage in practice is something that's criticized.
Speaker 4: You can criticize Medicare advantager in practice, but if we
Speaker 4: expand it to Medicare advantage for all, because it creates
Speaker 4: a private public option type dynamic that would be better
Speaker 4: than the current system, thus.
Speaker 1: Give more coverage to more people, and so.
Speaker 6: Not that he'll really have control over this.
Speaker 1: So Medicare advantages is bad when it's run by.
Speaker 5: Scammers who go around to old people and say so. Basically,
Speaker 5: the way Medicare advantage runs is you say, all right,
Speaker 5: Medicare will pay you x amount, pay this company x amount,
Speaker 5: which is equal to supposed to be equal to what
Speaker 5: Medicare is paying for per individual, plus a little bit.
Speaker 1: And then you are going to do a better.
Speaker 5: Job for less money, because that's what the private sector
Speaker 5: says it can do. And so it's at its worst
Speaker 5: when people go around and say we're going to give
Speaker 5: you vision, we're going to give you dental, we're going
Speaker 5: to give you hearing, and then when you sign up
Speaker 5: for it, you find that the actual coverage when it
Speaker 5: comes to those areas is skeletal best, and it's just
Speaker 5: designed to trick you into signing up for it. Now
Speaker 5: you're stuck and it actually has narrow networks, and you're
Speaker 5: getting ripped off and you're getting worse care. The best
Speaker 5: version of medicare advantage is when a private company says.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to take a health first approach.
Speaker 5: And there are companies that are doing this that are
Speaker 5: saying it is in our financial interest because we're getting
Speaker 5: let's say, you know, twenty thousand dollars to take care
Speaker 5: of this person's health care for the year. If we
Speaker 5: can get their health problems at the front end under
Speaker 5: control and then they go to the hospital, less they
Speaker 5: go to the doctor, they could get sick less, they
Speaker 5: need fewer medications, then we save money.
Speaker 1: So therefore we are going.
Speaker 5: To invest in you know, exercise, nutrition, preventive medical preventive medicine.
Speaker 1: Like making sure that it's easy to go to the.
Speaker 5: Doctor to get a check up, like those those things
Speaker 5: that then they argue save money in the long run.
Speaker 5: If that, if that's the version of medicare advantage that prevails,
Speaker 5: who would argue against that, Because it's not that people
Speaker 5: want lots of medical care Yeah, people would.
Speaker 1: Rather be healthy.
Speaker 6: Nobody wants to go to the right.
Speaker 5: You don't want your bills to be high. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: if you can align those incentives, that's interesting. So maybe
Speaker 5: when doctor Oz sits down with the people who are
Speaker 5: at CMS now and they show him what they're doing,
Speaker 5: he might be like, you guys are doing good work here.
Speaker 1: Us now the same thing.
Speaker 6: It doesn't seem he's.
Speaker 5: Going to push Medicare advantage hard. That means by the
Speaker 5: end of Trump's term. I've seen estimates that have said
Speaker 5: seventy five percent of people could be on Medicare advantage,
Speaker 5: which is okay, you're basically fully privatized Medicare at that point,
Speaker 5: which is scary.
Speaker 6: He doesn't this rule.
Speaker 4: Obviously, you would need Congress to do anything really dramatic,
Speaker 4: So he can essentially like go like so's.
Speaker 1: He can do a lot without Congress.
Speaker 6: To overhaul the American healthcare system.
Speaker 1: He would Oh yes, yes, he couldn't do Medicare advantage
Speaker 1: for all, but he.
Speaker 4: Could sort of tinker with the regulatory policy significantly in
Speaker 4: order to incentivize Medicare advantage plans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there.
Speaker 5: Are small tweaks you can make that could juice sign ups,
Speaker 5: like just making it the default, putting it on the
Speaker 5: website and pushing it, pushing a little harder to seniors subsidies.
Speaker 6: Probably, it's a different direction.
Speaker 1: Tweaks, tweak the you know, tweak the benefit of.
Speaker 6: It interesting, very interesting, but so it's ripe.
Speaker 5: For corruption, but also also could make things better, Like
Speaker 5: we shouldn't pretend that regular Medicare is perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't kill me for that. It's not, okay, Bernie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bernie would agree.
Speaker 5: Bernie absolutely agrees with not not necessarily that Medicare advantage
Speaker 5: needs to be is the answer. But but that Medicare
Speaker 5: as it is needs serious supplementation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why he's always arguing needs to.
Speaker 5: Have dental because Medicare doesn't currently cover dental vision of hearing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a serious this.
Speaker 1: And that's the way that Medicare advantaged.
Speaker 4: Creeps in Yeah, no, I mean, I honest, leftists like
Speaker 4: you and Bernie pretty clear eyed about the problems there.
Speaker 4: Speaking of problems, should we move on to America's sweetheart
Speaker 4: Matt gains So The ongoing saga of Matt Gates's nomination
Speaker 4: to head up the Department of Justice keeps taking turns
Speaker 4: by the hour, it seems, because every reporter in Washington
Speaker 4: is now on the Matt Gates beat and is now
Speaker 4: working hard to get to the bottom of the ethics investigation,
Speaker 4: in particular, so we can actually put b one up
Speaker 4: on the screen. This is a report from the New
Speaker 4: York Times yesterday. This is Robert Draper who said an
Speaker 4: unidentified hacker has gained access to a computer file shared
Speaker 4: and a secure link among lawyers whose clients have given
Speaker 4: damaging testimony related to Matt Gates, so that I had
Speaker 4: to read that sentence a few times just to be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: who did what and how, because I found it to
Speaker 4: be somewhat confusing. But basically, someone seems to have hacked
Speaker 4: a link that lawyers representing women who have accusations again
Speaker 4: Matt Gates. Someone hacked that secure link with all of
Speaker 4: the testimony from the witnesses and the file of twenty
Speaker 4: four exhibits Traper continues. Is said to include swarned testimony
Speaker 4: by a woman who said that she had sex with
Speaker 4: mister Gates in twenty seventeen when she was seventeen, as
Speaker 4: well as corroborating testimony by a second woman who said
Speaker 4: that she witnessed the encounter. The information was downloaded by
Speaker 4: a person using the name all Tom Beasley at one
Speaker 4: twenty three pm, according to the person who was not
Speaker 4: authorized to speak publicly with The New York Times. So
Speaker 4: now Marjorie Taylor Green weighs in with a tweet yesterday saying,
Speaker 4: for my Republican colleagues in the House and Senate, if
Speaker 4: we're going to release ethics reports and rip apart our
Speaker 4: own that Trump has appointed them, put it all out
Speaker 4: there for the American people to see. Yes, all the
Speaker 4: ethics reports and claims, including the one I filed, all
Speaker 4: your sexual harassment and assault claims that were secretly settled
Speaker 4: paying off victims with taxpayer money, the entire Jeffrey Epstein files, tapes, recordings, witness.
Speaker 6: Interviews, but not just those. There's more.
Speaker 4: Epstein wasn't slash isn't the only asset. If we're going
Speaker 4: to dance, let's all dance in the sunlight. I will make.
Speaker 6: Sure we do. She's right, so sort of openly.
Speaker 4: Threatening blackmail, and in a way that I think whatever
Speaker 4: Donald Trump and his allies are doing to senators, they
Speaker 4: are having some success so far, because we have a
Speaker 4: mash up here of Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma,
Speaker 4: who was the source of the claim. He publicly came out.
Speaker 4: He was like on the steps of the Capitol giving
Speaker 4: an interview too. I think it was CNN saying that
Speaker 4: Matt Gates, and this was before Gates was nominated, was
Speaker 4: showing pictures of his nude exploits on the floor of
Speaker 4: the House of Representatives.
Speaker 6: Let's just roll this clip.
Speaker 7: I think the president wants a hammer at the DOJ
Speaker 7: and he's seen Matt Gates as a hammer and all
Speaker 7: these other appointments he is. He's very confident and where
Speaker 7: they're at and can deliver the administration that he's wanting.
Speaker 7: His picks have been maybe unconventional, but we hired an
Speaker 7: unconventional president, and the American people wanted that. They don't
Speaker 7: want politics as usual, they want someone that's going to
Speaker 7: shake up Washington, DC. You got to think about this guy.
Speaker 7: This is a guy that didn't have that The media
Speaker 7: didn't give a time a day to after he was
Speaker 7: accused of sleeping with an underage girl. There's a reason
Speaker 7: why no one and the conference came defended him because
Speaker 7: we had all seen the videos he was showing on
Speaker 7: the house floor that all of us had walked away.
Speaker 7: Of the girls that he had slept with, he'd brag
Speaker 7: about how he would crush ed medicine and chase it
Speaker 7: with with an energy drink so he could go all night.
Speaker 7: This is obviously before you got married. And so when
Speaker 7: that accusation came out, no one defended him, and then
Speaker 7: no one on the media would give him the time
Speaker 7: of the day.
Speaker 4: So there you had Mark when Ull after the Trump
Speaker 4: pressure campaign, and then before the Trump pressure campaign, when
Speaker 4: Matt Gates hadn't been nominated to head up the Department
Speaker 4: of Justice, just openly talking about what everyone who has
Speaker 4: worked with Matt Gates will tell you was common among
Speaker 4: Matt Gates among you know, the circles that Matt Gates
Speaker 4: was clearly running in which were unsavory to say the
Speaker 4: very least.
Speaker 6: This is sort of.
Speaker 4: What's amusing about some of my friends who are supportive
Speaker 4: of Gates' nomination. They see him as a disruptor, saying,
Speaker 4: you know, Joel Greenberg is an unsavor character. He's in
Speaker 4: prison and he's lie. It's like, well he was. Matt
Speaker 4: Gates is arguably Matt Gates's best friend. It doesn't speak
Speaker 4: well of Gates, that Joel Greenberg is a bad person. Necessarily,
Speaker 4: let's check in on a representative and Paulina Luna. We
Speaker 4: have a mashup to roll here. From Let's roll this.
Speaker 8: The Republicans asking for this House Ethics Report to be released,
Speaker 8: it's people like Senator John Cornyn of Texas. He it'd
Speaker 8: be hard to describe him as anything but aligned with MAGA.
Speaker 8: Are you suggesting that there's something in his stock portfolio
Speaker 8: that's questionable?
Speaker 9: I'm suggesting that John Cornyn, I, to my knowledge, made
Speaker 9: statements that was actually anti MAGA about President Trump and
Speaker 9: saying with the new elected Senate leader. But I will
Speaker 9: say that Fune has since changed his tune and it
Speaker 9: seems like he's more aligned with MAGA and President Trump when.
Speaker 8: They asked for when they asked for the House Ethics Report,
Speaker 8: do you think that there's something corrupt about that? When
Speaker 8: they're asking for testimony, when they're asking for this report again,
Speaker 8: a bipartisan report, do you think there's something unethical about that?
Speaker 9: I think that what's unethical about it is that this
Speaker 9: has been shut down, that they're not requesting reports on
Speaker 9: other people who are knowingly under investigation. Currently and that
Speaker 9: those I find it interesting that these actual allegations come
Speaker 9: out a peculiar timing while he's being nominated to be
Speaker 9: the attorney general. To be clear, I do think mac
Speaker 9: Gates is going to be an incredible attorney general. I
Speaker 9: think this baseless your campaign, frankly, is abhorrent that it's
Speaker 9: happening to someone like Matcates, who's done so much to
Speaker 9: fight the government corruption. And there's a reason why President
Speaker 9: Trump won not just the popular vote, but also the
Speaker 9: electorate vote. Frankly, people trust President Trump's judgment more than
Speaker 9: any news outlet out there.
Speaker 8: A Congressman, I just want to clarify something you said.
Speaker 8: You got direct first hand accounts from Dog and the
Speaker 8: FBI when they declined to prosecute him criminally. Were you
Speaker 8: able to review the testimony yourself.
Speaker 9: What I can tell you is they came out in
Speaker 9: a public statement actually had dropped charges against Representative mat Gates.
Speaker 6: That's what I mean by that.
Speaker 9: And Frankly, what I'm finding is these baseless allegations when
Speaker 9: people go out there and smear reputations. This happened to
Speaker 9: Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
Speaker 4: So not true, of course, that the ethics report was
Speaker 4: just brought out was just like sort of made public
Speaker 4: when Matt Gates was nominated.
Speaker 6: This was the.
Speaker 4: Department of Justice investigation goes back gears and the ethics
Speaker 4: report obviously was set to be released a couple of
Speaker 4: days before it's I was actually named the nominee.
Speaker 5: It seems pretty clear he resigned. There's no reason to
Speaker 5: resign the end of your term other than to prevent
Speaker 5: the release of this. So it was actually it's actually
Speaker 5: kind of the reverse, Yeah, that it's not that these
Speaker 5: allegations are surfacing because he was nominated. His nomination and
Speaker 5: his subsequent resignation buried potentially buried them.
Speaker 4: Well, if he doesn't get confirmed, he's resigned, so he's
Speaker 4: not in Congress.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. He's resigned from this term.
Speaker 10: He could get swore gets sworn back in January because
Speaker 10: he was re elected.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's the funniest resignation. That funny, it's like
Speaker 5: a two month resignation.
Speaker 10: But if he gets sworn back in pointless and is
Speaker 10: so obvious why he did it, but.
Speaker 4: Then the ethics probe can is back in play. Assuming
Speaker 4: he doesn't get confirmed, then the ethics probe of a
Speaker 4: sitting member of Congress is back in play.
Speaker 1: They have to start it all over again. Be hilarious.
Speaker 4: I don't think so, but I wonder that they've probably
Speaker 4: never had that specific dilemma before. Yeah, Ryan, though, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of other context to this, Lest we fall into, uh,
Speaker 4: the sort of camp that most of the mainstream media
Speaker 4: is in, which is just reflexively treating this as though
Speaker 4: it's a cut and dry sexual misconduct situation. There is
Speaker 4: a lot more going on beneath the surface, especially with
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice. You're the one who suggested, actually
Speaker 4: we take a look at this piece by my friend
Speaker 4: Molly Hemingway, the boss at the Federalist.
Speaker 5: This is B five And let me explain why I
Speaker 5: think the people watching this show are adults with their
Speaker 5: own kind of complex moral worldviews and are able to
Speaker 5: hold together multiple thoughts in their head.
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll find out the headline. Let's talk about this
Speaker 1: because this is buckle up. This is this is wild And.
Speaker 4: If you're listening, the headline is house probe to Matt
Speaker 4: Gates relies on witness as DJ found lacked credibility.
Speaker 5: Right, all right, so go read the Molly Hemingway piece
Speaker 5: like this is it's a good piece, very viral. It's
Speaker 5: gone viral for good reason. It's and it is sourced
Speaker 5: to public documents. This is it's not the kind of
Speaker 5: thing where you have to take Molly Hemingway's.
Speaker 1: Word on anything here.
Speaker 5: They are the point that she's making here, and you
Speaker 5: correct me if I'm wrong. Here is that the two
Speaker 5: women that were just referenced in that New York Times
Speaker 5: article are publicly, according to a jailhouse snitch. By the way,
Speaker 5: you got it, always be skeptical of jail house snitches
Speaker 5: who are telling you something, usually so that they can,
Speaker 5: you know, get themselves out of whatever trouble they're and
Speaker 5: that got them in the jailhouse to begin with. However,
Speaker 5: it doesn't appear that the reason I find this particular
Speaker 5: jailhouse snitch credible is because the details that he that
Speaker 5: that he has. He was in a cell with Joel Greenberg,
Speaker 5: and according to him, Greenberg told him that he had
Speaker 5: two young women who were willing to lie to back
Speaker 5: up Joel Greenberg to support his claims against Gates.
Speaker 1: So where would.
Speaker 5: Now that, Like I said, you'd be skeptical of a
Speaker 5: jail house snitch if you want this is what they got.
Speaker 1: This is what the snitches.
Speaker 5: Said, and therefore we need to know more about these
Speaker 5: two sources that the New York Times is talking about.
Speaker 5: Are they the same ones that Greenberg allegedly said, We're
Speaker 5: willing to lie in order to back up Greenberg and
Speaker 5: harm Gates. Greenberg is serving eleven years for sex trafficking
Speaker 5: and all sorts of other scammy, scummy stuff.
Speaker 6: He was like the tax collector of Seminole County.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and and to your he pleaded guilty to underage,
Speaker 10: sex trafficking, wirefraud, stalking identity thuft, producing a fake ID card,
Speaker 10: and conspiring defraud US government.
Speaker 6: Pleaded guilty.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Just despicable human being and has previously concocted claims against
Speaker 5: political opponents for sleeping with minors. There was I believe
Speaker 5: it was a teacher who was running against him for
Speaker 5: tax collector, as I guess as a Democrat, and he
Speaker 5: created this elaborate scheme where he created a fake email
Speaker 5: and emailed the school and made these fake claims about
Speaker 5: this teacher to try to destroy the person, not just
Speaker 5: the person's electoral chances against him, but the person's entire life.
Speaker 5: Because you get an allegation like that at the school,
Speaker 5: the community. Everyone is going to take that immensely seriously
Speaker 5: because it's just being made up. What are the chances
Speaker 5: of that, Well, the chances are remote, but it turns
Speaker 5: out sometimes that happens.
Speaker 4: And Greenberg actually apologized for this.
Speaker 5: So it's like, this is not in dispute, Like we
Speaker 5: know for a fact that this is a card that
Speaker 5: this guy play. Now, why say we are treating our
Speaker 5: audience like adults here able to hold complicated and contradictory
Speaker 5: thoughts in their mind. Is that this guy was like
Speaker 5: Gates's best bud and they were at parties with with
Speaker 5: like high schoolers and college girls like, which is gross.
Speaker 6: Yes, in their mid thirties.
Speaker 5: In their mid thirties, like get a grip. But it's
Speaker 5: not a crime, and that's not what they're being accused of.
Speaker 5: So you can think that they're gross dudes. But the
Speaker 5: question here is did they do did he? Did Gates
Speaker 5: do this crime?
Speaker 6: Exactly?
Speaker 5: The Justice Department, according to people that familiar with this matter,
Speaker 5: found the witnesses not to be.
Speaker 1: Credible and drop the charges.
Speaker 5: So they apparently found the jail house snitche to be credible.
Speaker 4: And this is the Biden Justice Department, right, and this
Speaker 4: is part of a plea deal with Greenberg. By the way,
Speaker 4: they wanted to get Gates so badly that they struck
Speaker 4: this plea deal with Greenberg. So that could reflect on
Speaker 4: the credibility of everything that he's admitted to.
Speaker 6: Of course, but he still got a long prison sentence.
Speaker 4: And this is the Biden Justice Department that has been
Speaker 4: targeted by Matt Gates over note, like, Matt Gates is
Speaker 4: one of the harshest, most vehement critics of the Biden
Speaker 4: Justice Department, of the Justice Department in general. So if
Speaker 4: there's anybody that they would want to get and like
Speaker 4: do it quickly, it would have been Matt Gates. They tried,
Speaker 4: and they were leaking salacious stuff about this investigation all
Speaker 4: along the way, and ultimately couldn't get him.
Speaker 6: They couldn't get him.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of where there's smoke, there's fire
Speaker 4: in this case. There are tons of VENMO transactions between
Speaker 4: Matt Gates and his two female accusers.
Speaker 5: Right, there's a new one that's like seven hundred dollars,
Speaker 5: it's up to ten thousands.
Speaker 1: The memo says like tuition reimbursement.
Speaker 6: Yes, I have them read this is gross stuff. Like, yeah, exact.
Speaker 5: Gates has said that people are mistaking his generosity to
Speaker 5: his ex girlfriend for paying for institution.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I mean you can literally look at the
Speaker 4: Venmo transactions.
Speaker 6: It's right there, you can see it. And again, this
Speaker 6: is a guy at best.
Speaker 4: He's in his mid thirties and he's hanging around flying
Speaker 4: these girls around the country and paying them on Venmo.
Speaker 4: One of them reportedly lied and said she was over
Speaker 4: eighteen when she was seventeen. Either way, they're very young women.
Speaker 4: And you know, that's a different question than.
Speaker 5: H and as Mark Capudo reported in Politico in this
Speaker 5: article in twenty twenty one or three, whenever it was,
Speaker 5: they went on this trip to the Bahamas, all these
Speaker 5: creeps and the Customs and Border patrol stopped the plane
Speaker 5: when the private plan when it landed because there were
Speaker 5: such young looking women on the plane, and like they
Speaker 5: were like, this is creepy. It's a bunch of old
Speaker 5: dudes and some very young women. They turned out to
Speaker 5: be eighteen. So it does show how low you have
Speaker 5: to stoop to make the case for mec Gates, which
Speaker 5: is your honor.
Speaker 1: They were eighteen, Like that's pretty pitiful.
Speaker 5: On the other hand, the charges that they were seventeen
Speaker 5: and so far the claim the charges don't look like
Speaker 5: they're sticking. Yeah, and you wind up with these situations
Speaker 5: like Sunny Houston got herself into yesterday at the View.
Speaker 5: I don't think we have that clip handy, but I
Speaker 5: don't know if you saw this. She was forced to
Speaker 5: do like a legal read, because if you say with
Speaker 5: certainty that these things happened, yep, you're not on very
Speaker 5: firm legal grounds. So she was forced to do on
Speaker 5: the View a legal read where she looked at the
Speaker 5: camera and said, Matt Gates denies blub blah, and the
Speaker 5: just Department dropped the claims and I'm embarrassing that doesn't
Speaker 5: have to.
Speaker 4: Do Yeah, yeah, I mean so this is also a
Speaker 4: really impossible story to follow because the details are just
Speaker 4: it's layers and layers and layers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and one.
Speaker 1: Of the words handle thing possible.
Speaker 4: Very panhandled one of the women, the one where I
Speaker 4: referenced lying about our age that was reportedly to Greenberg,
Speaker 4: just to clarify. But all of this gets back to
Speaker 4: whether or not Matt Gates had sex with a seventeen
Speaker 4: year old when he was in his mid thirty and.
Speaker 1: Seventeen year old.
Speaker 5: This is Greenberg was like trafficking ye to other to
Speaker 5: his friends and stuff.
Speaker 4: And that's what it gets to, right, So there's that question.
Speaker 4: There's also just ample, ample evidence that Matt Gates, if
Speaker 4: you are hardcore MAGA, is not the person that is
Speaker 4: going to successfully uproot the Department of Justice compared to
Speaker 4: what somebody like Jim Jordan could do or somebody who
Speaker 4: comes in without the sleezy baggage. In this case, I
Speaker 4: don't think it's necessary to pluck like the sleaziest person
Speaker 4: out of Congress because he's one of the most ardent
Speaker 4: opponents of a department that desperately needs ardent opponents.
Speaker 6: Like He's not.
Speaker 4: The only person. He wasn't the only option. I think
Speaker 4: he was an option though. To make a point that
Speaker 4: we are going to, as Trump says, we are going
Speaker 4: to go wild, like we are going to dismantle this department.
Speaker 4: We are absolutely deadly serious about it. And that's why
Speaker 4: Trump is doubling down. He said he was asked yesterday
Speaker 4: if he would reconsider Gates, and he said no. Lefong
Speaker 4: makes an interesting point on X. He said before he
Speaker 4: was appointed ag in two thousand and nine, air Holder
Speaker 4: helped Purdue Pharma negotiate a sweetheart West Virginia settlement as
Speaker 4: the firm was flooding Appalachia with dangerous opioids. Made a
Speaker 4: career of helping large corporations dodge accountability for fraud, yet
Speaker 4: that was never a major scandal. And so there's this
Speaker 4: meta conversation as well about how all of our politicians
Speaker 4: are extremely sleazy and the media and political establishment has
Speaker 4: a double standard.
Speaker 6: To your point, Ryan, all of that stuff can be true.
Speaker 4: Matt Gates can be excellent on Lina Khan and anti trust,
Speaker 4: and be excellent on surveillance and all of those seriously
Speaker 4: very important topics that nobody in the political establishment. They
Speaker 4: might pay lip service to it once in a while
Speaker 4: or they might not, but they're not serious about actually
Speaker 4: creating change.
Speaker 6: Matt Gates seems to be.
Speaker 4: He's one of the boldest proponents of anti trust reform
Speaker 4: on the right. He has actually put his money in
Speaker 4: his mouth as he has stuck with it a main consistent,
Speaker 4: not waffled like the people we had tight cerws on.
Speaker 4: He has, you know, break up big tech in his book.
Speaker 4: He cannot stand lean a con I know this is like,
Speaker 4: this is rare, and there's something about Matt gatesby at
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice that would be somewhat satisfying from
Speaker 4: a policy perspective.
Speaker 6: But but it's that it's easy to get.
Speaker 4: Caught, I think in the meta conversation and not just
Speaker 4: sort of the simple for draining the swamp.
Speaker 6: You know what's uh, what's make.
Speaker 1: And maybe you're right to the point that.
Speaker 5: The left's best hope might be that he's just not
Speaker 5: equipped experientially to run an organization of this size in
Speaker 5: the way that he wants, right, Yeah, I mean and
Speaker 5: and when I mean the left, I mean people concerned
Speaker 5: about what he's going to do when it comes to
Speaker 5: weaponizing the Justice Department in defense of Trump's worst instincts.
Speaker 5: The left would be happy that if he actually succeeded
Speaker 5: in pushing forward surveillance reform, anti Trump stuff, that kind
Speaker 5: of thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So no, I mean, there's obviously he was I think
Speaker 4: he was targeted for political reasons. I think he's continuing
Speaker 4: to be targeted for political reasons. I think the media
Speaker 4: has a total double standard when it comes to Matt Gates.
Speaker 6: I think we do have a whole lot of awful politicians.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that from a conservative perspective, that practically
Speaker 4: or morally justifies Matt Gates.
Speaker 6: I just disagree with that argument.
Speaker 5: But hey, yeah, and just because it seems like the
Speaker 5: claim that he slept with a seventeen year old is
Speaker 5: not well found, it doesn't mean you have to like
Speaker 5: the guy and think that he's a morally upstanding figure.
Speaker 4: It also, to me seems like he's so ripe for
Speaker 4: blackmail when you're leading a department like this.
Speaker 5: Part of the reason I atudy of blackmail guys where
Speaker 5: everything's already out.
Speaker 4: That's true, but I don't know that everything is already out,
Speaker 4: that's true.
Speaker 1: Good lord, he brought Chuck.
Speaker 4: Johnson to the State of the Union known FED Chuck
Speaker 4: Johnson to the State of the Union one year.
Speaker 5: And there's a lawsuit against him for not being a
Speaker 5: FED other from some like AI Silicon Valley antagonists of
Speaker 5: his huh that he's falsely claiming to.
Speaker 6: Be as falsely claiming to be a FED.
Speaker 1: That's according to this lawsuit.
Speaker 6: Incredible stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Magiz did.
Speaker 5: Out Peter Tiel as a FED, and Peter Tiele then
Speaker 5: acknowledged that he had been doing that.
Speaker 4: Magis is entangled in a very interesting web of personalities
Speaker 4: and anyway, that's I think. I hope that people will
Speaker 4: leave this segment more well informed than anyone leaving the
Speaker 4: segments done by our next subject here, which would be
Speaker 4: Morning Joe. Let's pivot to Mourning Joe. Hard pivot to
Speaker 4: Mourning Joe. We have to roll this clip of them
Speaker 4: every day.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like reality television, which is always what
Speaker 4: Morning Joe actually, I think has some of the best
Speaker 4: production quality and television like it's so casual they understand
Speaker 4: why people watch TV, even if the content is terrible.
Speaker 4: The production is generally kind of compelling at Morning Joe
Speaker 4: because it's like reality television, and that's what we are
Speaker 4: seeing play out on the show this week as they
Speaker 4: are just absolutely playing up the attention.
Speaker 6: They've received for kissing the ring.
Speaker 5: At Moral Lago or the attention they're not getting too
Speaker 5: Yes reviewers, it's.
Speaker 6: A little bit of both.
Speaker 4: So let's roll this clip from yesterday's edition of Morning Joe.
Speaker 11: Yesterday saw for the first time what a massive disconnect
Speaker 11: there was between social media and the real world, because
Speaker 11: we were flooded with phone calls from people all day
Speaker 11: literally around the world, very positive, very supportives, going understand
Speaker 11: what you do, et cetera, et cetera. But once in
Speaker 11: a while I would get a text for a conference.
Speaker 1: And go, oh, man, I hope you're doing okay.
Speaker 11: And I call him back and I go, well, Eddie
Speaker 11: Glauds went up and we go Eddie.
Speaker 6: Are you on Twitter?
Speaker 7: And he goes, I am my god, I'm not.
Speaker 11: So We've had a good day. Miki just had a
Speaker 11: wonderful event. That is fantastic.
Speaker 4: They're just like leaning into each other. Desk is too
Speaker 4: far and we don't have.
Speaker 6: Any Starbucks like that. They always up Starbucks.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they're sponsored there.
Speaker 6: We have Stager's weird African coffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we also got our own faces.
Speaker 6: We have our own faces, which.
Speaker 1: We should go buy in the mug store that we
Speaker 1: got over there.
Speaker 6: By the mug. So that was the point of the
Speaker 6: segments to sell mugs.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, obviously this comes after they went down
Speaker 5: to mar A Lago kissed the ring. Their their audience
Speaker 5: recoiled because their audience has been told for the last
Speaker 5: eight years this is Hitler reincarnated by them, Yeah, by them,
Speaker 5: told by them, And so now they're saying, well, we
Speaker 5: better go ahead and kind of you know, kiss and
Speaker 5: makeup and hey one, so we should all be friends
Speaker 5: and that just doesn't clash, like if those two things
Speaker 5: just do not work together. And so their their audience
Speaker 5: is absolutely livid. Their friends who have their cell phone
Speaker 5: numbers think it's cool.
Speaker 1: And so from Mika.
Speaker 5: And Joe's perspective, that shows that Twitter is not real life.
Speaker 6: Which, by the way, it's the year of Our Lord
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. They're just coming to this realization. They
Speaker 6: cover politics every single day.
Speaker 5: In this case, I think they're wrong. I think the
Speaker 5: people in their cell phones are not real life. Yes,
Speaker 5: Twitter is actually much closer to real life in this
Speaker 5: sense than the fact that they're All of their friends
Speaker 5: around the country are like, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: This is working for you.
Speaker 5: Let's roll, well not roll, but put up C two
Speaker 5: here is this is an interesting kind of way that
Speaker 5: they're responding to this. Our friend of the show, Aaron Ruppar,
Speaker 5: who has some irrational hatred of me that I've never
Speaker 5: quite know of you.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: It's quite bizarre.
Speaker 5: Many such cases, many such cases, so he writes, Morning
Speaker 5: Joe has turned off replies to tweets, and hasn't been
Speaker 5: posting clips of the show. The trip to mar A
Speaker 5: Lago not going well.
Speaker 4: This is Pete Ruper, he noticed before anyone the morning
Speaker 4: Joe wasn't posting clips.
Speaker 5: I agree with Rupar here, This is a fair observation.
Speaker 5: If you're a show that is afraid to be seen,
Speaker 5: that doesn't bode well because your job as a show
Speaker 5: is to be seen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's put the next element up on the screen.
Speaker 4: Just continuing on with this theme, this is also resistance,
Speaker 4: Ron Foblkowski. If Trump has them that intimidated that they
Speaker 4: need to retire MSNBC hosts piled on CNN earlier this year,
Speaker 4: but their code of silence on this is gross. Have
Speaker 4: some courage and integrity. Is that too much to ask?
Speaker 4: Or are you just too comfortable? He was responding to
Speaker 4: this George Conway tweet you see on your Screen, where
Speaker 4: Brian Stelter reported that, according to two sources with direct knowledge,
Speaker 4: Joe Scarborough Mika Persinski were credibly concerned that they could
Speaker 4: face governmental and legal harassment from the incoming Trump administration.
Speaker 4: George Conway quote tweets that this Twitter drama is positively
Speaker 4: middle school esque and says, sadly, Brian's reporting is correct.
Speaker 6: Over the past week, I heard.
Speaker 4: From two entirely separate, very reliable sources with some vivid
Speaker 4: detail that they are absolutely terrified of Trump. Entirely separate,
Speaker 4: very reliable sources. I wonder if those sources were Joe
Speaker 4: and Mika, or if there were people like Joe and
Speaker 4: Mika who are absolutely terrified of Trump. But George Conway,
Speaker 4: who goes on MSNBC, would be in a position to
Speaker 4: know what the mindset is of people in that orbit,
Speaker 4: saying basically, Joe Amica went down to mar Alago because
Speaker 4: they don't want to face face backlash, legal backlash potentially
Speaker 4: from a Trump administration now run. Phil mccawski and Jen Rubin,
Speaker 4: another person who goes on MSNBC, have been apoplectic about
Speaker 4: this about Joe Amica going to kiss the ring. And indeed,
Speaker 4: it appears that the audience, to the point you made,
Speaker 4: is as well. So let's put C four up on
Speaker 4: the screen. It's the report from the Daily Beasts. The
Speaker 4: ratings are falling, So the headline is Morning Joe ratings
Speaker 4: fall after Trump meeting announcement. Nielsen data showed a drop
Speaker 4: in viewers after the six a m. Hour.
Speaker 5: So, and what's fascinating about that is that the show
Speaker 5: goes from six to ten, God bless them, and because
Speaker 5: they most of the country's still sleep at six am,
Speaker 5: the audience for the program builds, builds throughout the day
Speaker 5: and then falls kind of toward the you know, after
Speaker 5: people have, you know, things to do. But what the
Speaker 5: media ie records that they obtained show is that they
Speaker 5: go on and they say, hey, everybody, guess what cool
Speaker 5: news We went down to Marlago.
Speaker 1: Trump's Okay, their audience collapsed.
Speaker 5: Thirty percent of those in the twenty five to fifty
Speaker 5: four demographic had stopped watching by the next hour. That's significant, Yeah,
Speaker 5: because normally you're growing up and now you're losing thirty
Speaker 5: eight percent.
Speaker 6: And thirty eight percent is a lot.
Speaker 5: I'm not a math major, but it's a lot. And
Speaker 5: so clearly what happened was people were like, are you
Speaker 5: fing kidding me?
Speaker 1: Click right? Not dealing with this right?
Speaker 5: If you want your resistance content from the people who've
Speaker 5: been giving it to you for eight years, and now
Speaker 5: all of a sudden they're telling you that actually, which
Speaker 5: you know, we're not going to beat up their audience.
Speaker 5: But throughout the twenty sixteen campaign, it was quite obvious
Speaker 5: that that Mika and Joe were like longtime friends of
Speaker 5: Donald Trump and loved the fact that he was running
Speaker 5: because it was incredible for the ratings.
Speaker 1: It was constantly calling in and flirting with them literally, yes, literally.
Speaker 5: Flirting with them, and then he actually shocked them by winning,
Speaker 5: and then their relationship soured.
Speaker 1: And so here we are.
Speaker 4: Right and they say they did all of this because,
Speaker 4: in their sanctimonious way, it.
Speaker 6: Was absolutely worth it, quote, absolutely worth.
Speaker 4: It to get Donald Trump to come out and make
Speaker 4: a statement saying he supports a free and fair press,
Speaker 4: and that is essential. This is their argument, is that
Speaker 4: it was worth their time to go kiss the ring
Speaker 4: because they got him to say nice things about the press.
Speaker 4: And that's just absolutely essential the work that they've done
Speaker 4: so to support the.
Speaker 1: Media to hear.
Speaker 5: And maybe you agree with everything that they're saying, but
Speaker 5: what is clear is that they're only saying it out
Speaker 5: of fear, right uh, and and because things have not
Speaker 5: gone their way, and to me, they should just then
Speaker 5: step down, like if if you if you are acting
Speaker 5: out of fear rather than out of your true, genuine
Speaker 5: impulses that you want to share with the audience.
Speaker 1: Let somebody else do they do the gig well.
Speaker 4: Interestingly, Comcasts officially announced that it plans to spin off
Speaker 4: NBC universal cable channels into separate, publicly traded a separate,
Speaker 4: publicly traded company.
Speaker 1: That's official.
Speaker 6: Now, yeah, that broke crystal text of it this morning.
Speaker 1: Oh boy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I.
Speaker 1: Mean that's a about what that means.
Speaker 4: It means an interesting future ahead of MSNBC because the
Speaker 4: NBC News and NBC MSNBC tension seems to be higher
Speaker 4: than it ever really has been in their history. By
Speaker 4: the way, the ms and NBC gener it stands for Microsoft,
Speaker 4: Microsoft NBC, Microsoft NBC. It's sad that Microsoft didn't just
Speaker 4: buy and MSNBC back because we would be in for
Speaker 4: the same Joe and Mika bullshit.
Speaker 6: Because that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's the real problem with MSNBC is that they have
Speaker 4: spent years, like you said, they wanted it to be
Speaker 4: known they were very close to Donald Trump, they had
Speaker 4: access to power. They always thrived on that access to power.
Speaker 4: They broadcast from the middle of Manhattan in thirty rock
Speaker 4: and they want you to.
Speaker 6: Know that they want it to be clear that.
Speaker 4: They are talking to the movers and the shakers and
Speaker 4: that they're friends with them. And that's what you see
Speaker 4: when they're in their quarters up streaking their Starbucks is
Speaker 4: this is just friends chatting. And you never really get
Speaker 4: much like disruptive content, even when they frame sort of
Speaker 4: things like.
Speaker 6: Oh maybe this wokenws stuff is going so going a
Speaker 6: little bit too far as disruptive.
Speaker 4: Right, So now they like it's fascinating to see what
Speaker 4: will happen with MSNBC. Does it become just the network
Speaker 4: of people like who tune in for George and Jen
Speaker 4: Rubin and the niche partisan content Nicole Wallace whatever else, Jensaki?
Speaker 4: Is it going to become that network? Or is it
Speaker 4: still going to try to be a news network? I mean,
Speaker 4: I think it's a pretty interesting question if you're the
Speaker 4: executives looking at the future.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and basically you're just going for people over forty
Speaker 5: five and fifty at this point, Like the idea that
Speaker 5: you're going to get any new people under that age
Speaker 5: to start watching cable news, I think at this point
Speaker 5: most smart people recognize is a fantasy. So then it's like, well, okay, well,
Speaker 5: how many of those people are democrats and independent leaning
Speaker 5: democrats are democratic leaning independence and.
Speaker 1: Can you can you can you can?
Speaker 5: Basically can you convince cable companies to continue carrying you
Speaker 5: and paying you, because that's for people that don't understand
Speaker 5: the way that cable companies make money. It's not mostly
Speaker 5: through the advertising. It's from your cable bill that you
Speaker 5: pay to the cable company. A piece of that goes
Speaker 5: to Fox or MSNBC or CNN. And the way that
Speaker 5: they maintain that is by maintaining their relevance. That people say,
Speaker 5: if I'm getting cable, I want these cable news channels.
Speaker 5: And you'll have fights where people will say, I don't
Speaker 5: want to have to pay for Fox, make Fox all
Speaker 5: a card, or I don't want to have to pay
Speaker 5: for CNN or whatever, but other people like it.
Speaker 1: I'm paying for basic cable I need I want the
Speaker 1: news right like that? What else?
Speaker 5: What else am I doing? What else do I want here?
Speaker 5: I can get the rest of it anywhere else. So
Speaker 5: as long as there's a minimum threshold number of people
Speaker 5: who want MSNBC as part of their cable package, and
Speaker 5: that and that that is understood.
Speaker 1: Through surveys of their users and angry phone calls.
Speaker 5: Then the cable companies will keep paying them these kind
Speaker 5: of these very lucrative amount of money because think about
Speaker 5: how much money you pay every month for cable, if
Speaker 5: you still get cable, it's a lot and a huge
Speaker 5: chunk of that then goes back to these networks.
Speaker 6: That's why there's this incentive to be nicheified.
Speaker 4: And so that's what you know, Scarborough and Mika Brazinski
Speaker 4: are really trying.
Speaker 6: They're popping right now in a very uncomfortable way.
Speaker 4: This audience, this niche audience that they've cultivated in a bubble,
Speaker 4: which is listen. I don't think niche audiences are necessarily
Speaker 4: a bad thing. I think they're really dangerous in politics,
Speaker 4: but they're cool in like music, and they're cool in
Speaker 4: all kinds of like different cultural sphears. Like I think
Speaker 4: it's great that we have a medium environment where you know,
Speaker 4: Shane Smith can come back and do his show for
Speaker 4: Vice and like there's some type of audience for it.
Speaker 4: But you know, this is also really dangerous if it's
Speaker 4: creating political bubbles that people. For example, Tom Cotton publishes
Speaker 4: an obed in the New York Times because the New
Speaker 4: York Times builds this not monoculture audience over the course
Speaker 4: of the Trump administration, but niche audience of resistance people.
Speaker 6: Because they publish.
Speaker 4: This Tom Cotton oupbed people cancel their subscriptions, or Washington
Speaker 4: Post same thing. People are canceling their subscriptions because the
Speaker 4: Post made a decision to go back to the pre
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six standard of not endorsing a presidential candidate
Speaker 4: because they their business failing. It's actually really fascinating and
Speaker 4: interesting decision that these executives have to make is whether
Speaker 4: they want to reach the broadest audience possible or corner
Speaker 4: a niche and you can do really well like Stephen Colbert,
Speaker 4: at least funny most partisan guy in Late Night over
Speaker 4: the course of Trump administration, he was the top rated
Speaker 4: for most.
Speaker 1: Of a lot of people ustration because people.
Speaker 6: Tune in over and over again when a lot of people.
Speaker 4: People don't work in politics, like they just want the
Speaker 4: comfort food. And if MSNBC was giving people comfort food,
Speaker 4: it wasn't really doing news unless you know it was
Speaker 4: maybe some connection to NBC News, some of their reporters
Speaker 4: coming on whatever. So as soon as you start dishing
Speaker 4: out vegetables, you're going to lose your audience, because that's
Speaker 4: not why they patronize your product anymore. And so that's
Speaker 4: a huge, huge conflict for them going forward. And they're
Speaker 4: out a fork in the road. They can decide to
Speaker 4: do news or do comfort food. So best of luck
Speaker 4: to best of luck to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move.
Speaker 6: On to our next block.
Speaker 4: This is the ongoing trial of the murder of Lake
Speaker 4: and Riley, which is taking place down in Georgia. We
Speaker 4: can put the first element up on the screen. This
Speaker 4: is the ride up from the New York Post. You
Speaker 4: can see a picture of Lincoln Riley on the screen
Speaker 4: there if you're watching it. Lakeln Riley was twenty two.
Speaker 4: And I'm just gonna read a little bit from an
Speaker 4: ABC News report about the trial yesterday. The last moments
Speaker 4: before Laken Riley was killed while out on a run
Speaker 4: on the University of George's campus were shown in court
Speaker 4: on Tuesday, on the third day of the trial involving
Speaker 4: the murder of the twenty two year old nursing student.
Speaker 6: The Augustine University student was.
Speaker 4: Found dead in a wooded area on the Athens campus
Speaker 4: on February of twenty second. Hose Abara, twenty six, is
Speaker 4: accused of murdering Riley after prosecutor said she quote refused
Speaker 4: to be his rape victim. It Bara an undocumented migrant
Speaker 4: who was charged with malice murder and felony murder in
Speaker 4: connection with her death, which became a rallying cry for
Speaker 4: immigration reform for many conservatives, including President Donald Trump. So
Speaker 4: as this murder trial plays out, it is harrowing, and
Speaker 4: I've seen it actually covered by a lot of the
Speaker 4: women's centric publications, like people that cover true crime a lot,
Speaker 4: because American women are very interested in true crime. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that in any her misogynistic way. That's literally
Speaker 4: statistically truly like there's polling on it, and that means
Speaker 4: it's sort of undermining the point that ABC just made
Speaker 4: in its article that it became a rallying cry throughout
Speaker 4: the presidential election. The case study of Lake and Riley
Speaker 4: and I think Ryan it was actually one of the
Speaker 4: most important moments in a twenty twenty four election in
Speaker 4: terms of like deciding people's minds changing on the Biden
Speaker 4: immigration policies or put a face on it for a
Speaker 4: lot of people who were thinking about the Biden administration
Speaker 4: and Kamala Harrison deciding what they wanted to say, I
Speaker 4: think it makes people more comfortable with Donald Trump, for example,
Speaker 4: when there's a picture of a twenty two year old
Speaker 4: nursing student and the sort of horrible situation that she endured.
Speaker 4: And that's not trying to politicize, it's just trying to
Speaker 4: explain why I think it was powerful in the election.
Speaker 5: I guess you know, it's a horrific tragedy. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: always makes me uncomfortable when people when when a particular
Speaker 5: tragedy gets its attention because of who the assailant is
Speaker 5: rather than and and because it fits a political agenda,
Speaker 5: like people who were born here in this country commit
Speaker 5: horrific murders actually every day. Yeah, and they're victims are
Speaker 5: no more, no less worthy of of our attention. And
Speaker 5: so that part of it makes me uncomfortable. But of
Speaker 5: course it's it's it's horrifying it and I think the
Speaker 5: thing that has, you know, helped to catapult it into
Speaker 5: the public's imagination is also the way that it happened,
Speaker 5: just going going for a job and getting great.
Speaker 1: It's it's the it's the worst nightmare of.
Speaker 5: People who are running early in the morning as just
Speaker 5: as the sun is coming up, that's something that some
Speaker 5: murderer is going to jump out of the bushes like,
Speaker 5: and it's it's it's it's out of that a kind
Speaker 5: of storybook fear that fortunately is rare, but when it happens, it's.
Speaker 1: Going to it's going to get elevated.
Speaker 5: And then when it turns out that the person was
Speaker 5: here I legally, then it's going to be weaponized. So yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll get a verdict in the next couple days probably, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing with this trial is that it's
Speaker 4: really playing out like a true a pretty traditional true
Speaker 4: crime trial does these days, where you're hearing I mean,
Speaker 4: you're seeing the mother's last text messages to Lake and
Speaker 4: Riley and just the all of the sort of heart
Speaker 4: wrenching details that come out, and.
Speaker 1: Try his brother is supposed to testify. He's been he's
Speaker 1: been called.
Speaker 6: And he won't.
Speaker 4: He's not testifying. Josse Obara is not testifying. So it's
Speaker 4: a yeah, his brother's supposed to testify.
Speaker 5: It And according to one of the witnesses who was
Speaker 5: and it was complicated that he said he basically acknowledged
Speaker 5: that his brother did it and that if the woman
Speaker 5: said anything about it, he'd kill her too.
Speaker 4: And he's supposed to. So part of this is that
Speaker 4: the prosecution arm sorry, the defense seems to be pointing
Speaker 4: its fingers subtly, as some people have said, at the brother.
Speaker 4: That's part of the defense is suggesting that it was
Speaker 4: in the Barra So it's yeah, it's a very complicated trial.
Speaker 4: It's no surprise that it's getting as much attention as
Speaker 4: it is now.
Speaker 5: In the New York Post, the quote from the brother
Speaker 5: was all kill you too or something like that, yeah,
Speaker 5: which suggests that he's saying that he was the actual killer,
Speaker 5: not the brother.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was getting some federal benefits it borrow was.
Speaker 4: That's why, I mean, we probably disagree in the implications
Speaker 4: of this because I agree with you that there is
Speaker 4: a lot of evidence that people who come into the
Speaker 4: country illegally actually commit crimes at a lower rate. And
Speaker 4: while that might be true, I mean, there's competing research
Speaker 4: on it. The research that I've looked at it seems
Speaker 4: to lean more heavily into the direction that it's a
Speaker 4: lower rate.
Speaker 6: Of crime committed.
Speaker 4: But there's partisans on both sides doing this research, so
Speaker 4: it's hard to actually get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 4: What I would say, though, is, you know, I think
Speaker 4: most Americans would look at I have the CBP numbers
Speaker 4: up in front of me right now, the fiscal year
Speaker 4: twenty four one thousand cases of people who are in
Speaker 4: the country illegally committing assault, battery, domestic violence, twenty eight
Speaker 4: hundred cases of driving under the influence, thirty cases of
Speaker 4: homicide and manslaughter. You know, this is compared to the
Speaker 4: rest of the country. Obviously, these are small numbers.
Speaker 5: But when you need to know the denominator, how many
Speaker 5: people are here illegally is it?
Speaker 1: Is it twelve million? Is it twenty million?
Speaker 4: Right which we literally don't know. We genuinely don't have
Speaker 4: a clear number on that question. But if you are
Speaker 4: the family of Lake and Riley and you're looking at
Speaker 4: an alleged trende Aragua member who was getting taxpayer funded
Speaker 4: flights from Kennedy to Atlanta JFK to Atlanta, and you
Speaker 4: know he's already in the country, it's not legally in
Speaker 4: the country, that's already a question. It probably will reflect
Speaker 4: on the immigration policy from your perspectives. You know, we
Speaker 4: have plenty of to your point, we have plenty of
Speaker 4: murder in the country as it is. We have plenty
Speaker 4: of our own domestic problems to deal with as it is.
Speaker 6: And so that's the extent.
Speaker 4: To which I think it reflects on That is like
Speaker 4: that question of fairness. So we probably disagree on that,
Speaker 4: but that's I think why the trial resonated with so
Speaker 4: many people in the election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: We have this clip of Chad Wolfe, who was a
Speaker 4: Trump administration. He was DHS under Trump, wasn't he? I
Speaker 4: think he was like acting or was he? Yeah, he
Speaker 4: was acting Secretary of DHS. I don't think he was
Speaker 4: ever formally confirmed. Here's how he reacted on Fox News
Speaker 4: for a taste of how we can see the Trump
Speaker 4: administration handle list down the road.
Speaker 12: Well, it's beyond awful because any any criminal act, particularly
Speaker 12: this one committed by newly alien, has won this preventable.
Speaker 12: They shouldn't be here to begin with, and they were facilitated.
Speaker 12: This individual appears to be a facilitated by the Bike
Speaker 12: administrations border security policies. Right, He's from Venezuela. He gets
Speaker 12: in on a parole, he gets flown and transported to
Speaker 12: New York City. Is not happy there, right, So New
Speaker 12: York then moving to Georgia, all of this could have
Speaker 12: been avoided if you actually have policies in place that
Speaker 12: deter this illegal immigration, and folks that do claim asylum
Speaker 12: do claim some type of protections under law. We don't
Speaker 12: simply release them into the country, right, you use remain
Speaker 12: in Mexico, or you use other things that were put
Speaker 12: in place to hold these individuals and then allow them
Speaker 12: their time in court if they get to do that.
Speaker 4: So, you know, it'll be obviously a powerful talking point
Speaker 4: for the Trump administration in the months ahead as they decide.
Speaker 4: You know, the question of mass deportations, which is we
Speaker 4: continue to hear from Trump administration officials or incoming Trump
Speaker 4: administration officials themselves, is very much on the table.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 4: Mass deportation is not a technical clinical term. We don't
Speaker 4: know what mass deportation would actually be. Were told that
Speaker 4: it would start with the quote unquote worst of the worst,
Speaker 4: the people who are here and already have rap sheets
Speaker 4: or have been, you know, coming in and out and
Speaker 4: trafficking whatever it is.
Speaker 6: Now, that's a very difficult thing to do and of itself.
Speaker 5: So we don't know, Yeah, what's going to happen if
Speaker 5: they Trump empties out the jails and prisons to ports
Speaker 5: people who are here illegally but we're serving sentences. They
Speaker 5: then come back into the country, get around his magical wall,
Speaker 5: commit a crime.
Speaker 1: Are we going to get wall of wall covers of that.
Speaker 4: You think, I mean, it's a pretty and will that
Speaker 4: then be held against the Trump administration?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: Because it wouldn't happen if the person had been left
Speaker 5: in prison.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Republicans have held the Republican administrations feed to the
Speaker 4: fire over immigration. I mean, this was actually part of
Speaker 4: the problem with the corn In versus Thune versus Rick
Speaker 4: Scott conflict we talked about last week is people were
Speaker 4: absolutely furious about how Cornyn and Thune had handled the
Speaker 4: immigration bill under Langford and McConnell last year. So maybe,
Speaker 4: but obviously it's always different when it comes to Donald Trump.