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Speaker 5: and what's going on with this Mika and Joe thing?

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Speaker 5: Leaders, Yes, and now they're like angling for cabinet positions.

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Speaker 6: The time is ripe.

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Speaker 5: So the time is ripe. The mainstream media has discredited itself.

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Speaker 1: Your social group, which is one way to do it.

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Speaker 5: Just one way to do it, or you can share this,

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Speaker 4: Because often Brian will monologue, and Brian does have a

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Speaker 4: going to be about why Democrats lost.

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Speaker 6: I'm really excited for that.

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Speaker 4: We're going to start with new Trump appointments, also late

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Speaker 1: Point when they're even getting funnier, almost.

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Speaker 4: There's a WWE connection. We'll get into that just a moment.

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Speaker 4: We'll be talking about Matt Gates and to the point

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Speaker 6: Poorly by media.

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Speaker 4: There's just a lot more context that makes the story,

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Speaker 4: whether you love or hate Matt Gates, actually more interesting.

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Speaker 4: So we'll be talking about Matt Gates today. We'll be

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Speaker 5: The advocates of it are hoping for maybe twenty votes max.

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Speaker 1: Coming to coming to a climax looks like fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Trump's decision to nominate Howard Lutnick, who was we can

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Speaker 4: the markets in ways that Donald Trump is very sensitive

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Speaker 4: He doesn't necessarily want to spook the markets too much

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure how true it is that Lutnick would

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Speaker 4: It's sort of a loss for him.

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Speaker 5: I think Trump was spooked when some of his Gates

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Speaker 1: It's still true.

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Speaker 5: And so I think and Trump under intuitably understands interest

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Speaker 6: That job, but Trump is probably it's.

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Speaker 5: A cabinet level pick and it doesn't really report to

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Speaker 1: The problem comes in with.

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Speaker 5: You know what the rules are, who's in charge, who

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Speaker 1: That's basically like.

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Speaker 4: Now that interesting, You say that, Oh, like he's going

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Speaker 5: It was his response to Fetterman being for single pair

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Speaker 4: So Medicare Medicare advantage in practice is something that's criticized.

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Speaker 6: Not that he'll really have control over this.

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Speaker 1: So Medicare advantages is bad when it's run by.

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Speaker 5: Scammers who go around to old people and say so. Basically,

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Speaker 5: the way Medicare advantage runs is you say, all right,

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Speaker 5: says it can do. And so it's at its worst

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Speaker 5: when people go around and say we're going to give

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Speaker 5: you vision, we're going to give you dental, we're going

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Speaker 5: to give you hearing, and then when you sign up

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Speaker 5: for it, you find that the actual coverage when it

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Speaker 5: comes to those areas is skeletal best, and it's just

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Speaker 5: designed to trick you into signing up for it. Now

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Speaker 5: you're stuck and it actually has narrow networks, and you're

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Speaker 5: getting ripped off and you're getting worse care. The best

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Speaker 5: version of medicare advantage is when a private company says.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to take a health first approach.

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Speaker 5: And there are companies that are doing this that are

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Speaker 5: saying it is in our financial interest because we're getting

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Speaker 5: let's say, you know, twenty thousand dollars to take care

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Speaker 5: of this person's health care for the year. If we

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Speaker 5: can get their health problems at the front end under

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Speaker 5: control and then they go to the hospital, less they

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Speaker 5: go to the doctor, they could get sick less, they

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Speaker 5: need fewer medications, then we save money.

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Speaker 1: So therefore we are going.

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Speaker 5: To invest in you know, exercise, nutrition, preventive medical preventive medicine.

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Speaker 1: Like making sure that it's easy to go to the.

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Speaker 5: Doctor to get a check up, like those those things

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Speaker 5: that then they argue save money in the long run.

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Speaker 5: If that, if that's the version of medicare advantage that prevails,

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Speaker 5: who would argue against that, Because it's not that people

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Speaker 5: want lots of medical care Yeah, people would.

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Speaker 1: Rather be healthy.

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Speaker 6: Nobody wants to go to the right.

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Speaker 5: You don't want your bills to be high. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: if you can align those incentives, that's interesting. So maybe

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Speaker 5: when doctor Oz sits down with the people who are

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Speaker 5: at CMS now and they show him what they're doing,

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Speaker 5: he might be like, you guys are doing good work here.

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Speaker 1: Us now the same thing.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't seem he's.

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Speaker 5: Going to push Medicare advantage hard. That means by the

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Speaker 5: end of Trump's term. I've seen estimates that have said

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Speaker 5: seventy five percent of people could be on Medicare advantage,

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Speaker 5: which is okay, you're basically fully privatized Medicare at that point,

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Speaker 5: which is scary.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't this rule.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you would need Congress to do anything really dramatic,

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Speaker 4: So he can essentially like go like so's.

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Speaker 1: He can do a lot without Congress.

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Speaker 6: To overhaul the American healthcare system.

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Speaker 1: He would Oh yes, yes, he couldn't do Medicare advantage

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Speaker 1: for all, but he.

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Speaker 4: Could sort of tinker with the regulatory policy significantly in

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Speaker 4: order to incentivize Medicare advantage plans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there.

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Speaker 5: Are small tweaks you can make that could juice sign ups,

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Speaker 5: like just making it the default, putting it on the

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Speaker 5: website and pushing it, pushing a little harder to seniors subsidies.

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Speaker 6: Probably, it's a different direction.

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Speaker 1: Tweaks, tweak the you know, tweak the benefit of.

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Speaker 6: It interesting, very interesting, but so it's ripe.

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Speaker 5: For corruption, but also also could make things better, Like

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Speaker 5: we shouldn't pretend that regular Medicare is perfect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't kill me for that. It's not, okay, Bernie, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bernie would agree.

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Speaker 5: Bernie absolutely agrees with not not necessarily that Medicare advantage

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Speaker 5: needs to be is the answer. But but that Medicare

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Speaker 5: as it is needs serious supplementation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why he's always arguing needs to.

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Speaker 5: Have dental because Medicare doesn't currently cover dental vision of hearing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a serious this.

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Speaker 1: And that's the way that Medicare advantaged.

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Speaker 4: Creeps in Yeah, no, I mean, I honest, leftists like

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Speaker 4: you and Bernie pretty clear eyed about the problems there.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of problems, should we move on to America's sweetheart

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Speaker 4: Matt gains So The ongoing saga of Matt Gates's nomination

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Speaker 4: to head up the Department of Justice keeps taking turns

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Speaker 4: by the hour, it seems, because every reporter in Washington

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Speaker 4: is now on the Matt Gates beat and is now

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Speaker 4: working hard to get to the bottom of the ethics investigation,

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Speaker 4: in particular, so we can actually put b one up

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Speaker 4: on the screen. This is a report from the New

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Speaker 4: York Times yesterday. This is Robert Draper who said an

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Speaker 4: unidentified hacker has gained access to a computer file shared

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Speaker 4: and a secure link among lawyers whose clients have given

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Speaker 4: damaging testimony related to Matt Gates, so that I had

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Speaker 4: to read that sentence a few times just to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: who did what and how, because I found it to

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Speaker 4: be somewhat confusing. But basically, someone seems to have hacked

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Speaker 4: a link that lawyers representing women who have accusations again

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Speaker 4: Matt Gates. Someone hacked that secure link with all of

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Speaker 4: the testimony from the witnesses and the file of twenty

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Speaker 4: four exhibits Traper continues. Is said to include swarned testimony

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Speaker 4: by a woman who said that she had sex with

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Speaker 4: mister Gates in twenty seventeen when she was seventeen, as

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Speaker 4: well as corroborating testimony by a second woman who said

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Speaker 4: that she witnessed the encounter. The information was downloaded by

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Speaker 4: a person using the name all Tom Beasley at one

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Speaker 4: twenty three pm, according to the person who was not

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Speaker 4: authorized to speak publicly with The New York Times. So

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Speaker 4: now Marjorie Taylor Green weighs in with a tweet yesterday saying,

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Speaker 4: for my Republican colleagues in the House and Senate, if

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Speaker 4: we're going to release ethics reports and rip apart our

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Speaker 4: own that Trump has appointed them, put it all out

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Speaker 4: there for the American people to see. Yes, all the

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Speaker 4: ethics reports and claims, including the one I filed, all

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Speaker 4: your sexual harassment and assault claims that were secretly settled

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Speaker 4: paying off victims with taxpayer money, the entire Jeffrey Epstein files, tapes, recordings, witness.

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Speaker 6: Interviews, but not just those. There's more.

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Speaker 4: Epstein wasn't slash isn't the only asset. If we're going

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Speaker 4: to dance, let's all dance in the sunlight. I will make.

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Speaker 6: Sure we do. She's right, so sort of openly.

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Speaker 4: Threatening blackmail, and in a way that I think whatever

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump and his allies are doing to senators, they

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Speaker 4: are having some success so far, because we have a

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Speaker 4: mash up here of Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma,

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Speaker 4: who was the source of the claim. He publicly came out.

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Speaker 4: He was like on the steps of the Capitol giving

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Speaker 4: an interview too. I think it was CNN saying that

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Speaker 4: Matt Gates, and this was before Gates was nominated, was

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Speaker 4: showing pictures of his nude exploits on the floor of

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Speaker 4: the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 6: Let's just roll this clip.

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Speaker 7: I think the president wants a hammer at the DOJ

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Speaker 7: and he's seen Matt Gates as a hammer and all

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Speaker 7: these other appointments he is. He's very confident and where

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Speaker 7: they're at and can deliver the administration that he's wanting.

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Speaker 7: His picks have been maybe unconventional, but we hired an

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Speaker 7: unconventional president, and the American people wanted that. They don't

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Speaker 7: want politics as usual, they want someone that's going to

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Speaker 7: shake up Washington, DC. You got to think about this guy.

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Speaker 7: This is a guy that didn't have that The media

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Speaker 7: didn't give a time a day to after he was

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Speaker 7: accused of sleeping with an underage girl. There's a reason

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Speaker 7: why no one and the conference came defended him because

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Speaker 7: we had all seen the videos he was showing on

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Speaker 7: the house floor that all of us had walked away.

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Speaker 7: Of the girls that he had slept with, he'd brag

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Speaker 7: about how he would crush ed medicine and chase it

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Speaker 7: with with an energy drink so he could go all night.

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Speaker 7: This is obviously before you got married. And so when

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Speaker 7: that accusation came out, no one defended him, and then

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Speaker 7: no one on the media would give him the time

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Speaker 7: of the day.

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Speaker 4: So there you had Mark when Ull after the Trump

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Speaker 4: pressure campaign, and then before the Trump pressure campaign, when

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Speaker 4: Matt Gates hadn't been nominated to head up the Department

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Speaker 4: of Justice, just openly talking about what everyone who has

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Speaker 4: worked with Matt Gates will tell you was common among

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Speaker 4: Matt Gates among you know, the circles that Matt Gates

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Speaker 4: was clearly running in which were unsavory to say the

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Speaker 4: very least.

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Speaker 6: This is sort of.

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Speaker 4: What's amusing about some of my friends who are supportive

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Speaker 4: of Gates' nomination. They see him as a disruptor, saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, Joel Greenberg is an unsavor character. He's in

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Speaker 4: prison and he's lie. It's like, well he was. Matt

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Speaker 4: Gates is arguably Matt Gates's best friend. It doesn't speak

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Speaker 4: well of Gates, that Joel Greenberg is a bad person. Necessarily,

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Speaker 4: let's check in on a representative and Paulina Luna. We

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Speaker 4: have a mashup to roll here. From Let's roll this.

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Speaker 8: The Republicans asking for this House Ethics Report to be released,

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Speaker 8: it's people like Senator John Cornyn of Texas. He it'd

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Speaker 8: be hard to describe him as anything but aligned with MAGA.

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Speaker 8: Are you suggesting that there's something in his stock portfolio

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Speaker 8: that's questionable?

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Speaker 9: I'm suggesting that John Cornyn, I, to my knowledge, made

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Speaker 9: statements that was actually anti MAGA about President Trump and

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Speaker 9: saying with the new elected Senate leader. But I will

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Speaker 9: say that Fune has since changed his tune and it

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Speaker 9: seems like he's more aligned with MAGA and President Trump when.

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Speaker 8: They asked for when they asked for the House Ethics Report,

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Speaker 8: do you think that there's something corrupt about that? When

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Speaker 8: they're asking for testimony, when they're asking for this report again,

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Speaker 8: a bipartisan report, do you think there's something unethical about that?

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Speaker 9: I think that what's unethical about it is that this

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Speaker 9: has been shut down, that they're not requesting reports on

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Speaker 9: other people who are knowingly under investigation. Currently and that

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Speaker 9: those I find it interesting that these actual allegations come

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Speaker 9: out a peculiar timing while he's being nominated to be

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Speaker 9: the attorney general. To be clear, I do think mac

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Speaker 9: Gates is going to be an incredible attorney general. I

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Speaker 9: think this baseless your campaign, frankly, is abhorrent that it's

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Speaker 9: happening to someone like Matcates, who's done so much to

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Speaker 9: fight the government corruption. And there's a reason why President

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Speaker 9: Trump won not just the popular vote, but also the

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Speaker 9: electorate vote. Frankly, people trust President Trump's judgment more than

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Speaker 9: any news outlet out there.

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Speaker 8: A Congressman, I just want to clarify something you said.

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Speaker 8: You got direct first hand accounts from Dog and the

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Speaker 8: FBI when they declined to prosecute him criminally. Were you

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Speaker 8: able to review the testimony yourself.

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Speaker 9: What I can tell you is they came out in

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Speaker 9: a public statement actually had dropped charges against Representative mat Gates.

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Speaker 6: That's what I mean by that.

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Speaker 9: And Frankly, what I'm finding is these baseless allegations when

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Speaker 9: people go out there and smear reputations. This happened to

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Speaker 9: Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

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Speaker 4: So not true, of course, that the ethics report was

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Speaker 4: just brought out was just like sort of made public

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Speaker 4: when Matt Gates was nominated.

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Speaker 6: This was the.

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Speaker 4: Department of Justice investigation goes back gears and the ethics

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Speaker 4: report obviously was set to be released a couple of

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Speaker 4: days before it's I was actually named the nominee.

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Speaker 5: It seems pretty clear he resigned. There's no reason to

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Speaker 5: resign the end of your term other than to prevent

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Speaker 5: the release of this. So it was actually it's actually

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Speaker 5: kind of the reverse, Yeah, that it's not that these

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Speaker 5: allegations are surfacing because he was nominated. His nomination and

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Speaker 5: his subsequent resignation buried potentially buried them.

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Speaker 4: Well, if he doesn't get confirmed, he's resigned, so he's

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Speaker 4: not in Congress.

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Speaker 1: It's hilarious. He's resigned from this term.

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Speaker 10: He could get swore gets sworn back in January because

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Speaker 10: he was re elected.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's the funniest resignation. That funny, it's like

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Speaker 5: a two month resignation.

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Speaker 10: But if he gets sworn back in pointless and is

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Speaker 10: so obvious why he did it, but.

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Speaker 4: Then the ethics probe can is back in play. Assuming

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Speaker 4: he doesn't get confirmed, then the ethics probe of a

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Speaker 4: sitting member of Congress is back in play.

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Speaker 1: They have to start it all over again. Be hilarious.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so, but I wonder that they've probably

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Speaker 4: never had that specific dilemma before. Yeah, Ryan, though, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of other context to this, Lest we fall into, uh,

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Speaker 4: the sort of camp that most of the mainstream media

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Speaker 4: is in, which is just reflexively treating this as though

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Speaker 4: it's a cut and dry sexual misconduct situation. There is

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Speaker 4: a lot more going on beneath the surface, especially with

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice. You're the one who suggested, actually

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Speaker 4: we take a look at this piece by my friend

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Speaker 4: Molly Hemingway, the boss at the Federalist.

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Speaker 5: This is B five And let me explain why I

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Speaker 5: think the people watching this show are adults with their

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Speaker 5: own kind of complex moral worldviews and are able to

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Speaker 5: hold together multiple thoughts in their head.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll find out the headline. Let's talk about this

677
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Speaker 1: because this is buckle up. This is this is wild And.

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Speaker 4: If you're listening, the headline is house probe to Matt

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Speaker 4: Gates relies on witness as DJ found lacked credibility.

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Speaker 5: Right, all right, so go read the Molly Hemingway piece

681
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Speaker 5: like this is it's a good piece, very viral. It's

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Speaker 5: gone viral for good reason. It's and it is sourced

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Speaker 5: to public documents. This is it's not the kind of

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Speaker 5: thing where you have to take Molly Hemingway's.

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Speaker 1: Word on anything here.

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Speaker 5: They are the point that she's making here, and you

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Speaker 5: correct me if I'm wrong. Here is that the two

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Speaker 5: women that were just referenced in that New York Times

689
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Speaker 5: article are publicly, according to a jailhouse snitch. By the way,

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Speaker 5: you got it, always be skeptical of jail house snitches

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Speaker 5: who are telling you something, usually so that they can,

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Speaker 5: you know, get themselves out of whatever trouble they're and

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Speaker 5: that got them in the jailhouse to begin with. However,

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Speaker 5: it doesn't appear that the reason I find this particular

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Speaker 5: jailhouse snitch credible is because the details that he that

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Speaker 5: that he has. He was in a cell with Joel Greenberg,

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Speaker 5: and according to him, Greenberg told him that he had

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Speaker 5: two young women who were willing to lie to back

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Speaker 5: up Joel Greenberg to support his claims against Gates.

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Speaker 1: So where would.

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Speaker 5: Now that, Like I said, you'd be skeptical of a

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Speaker 5: jail house snitch if you want this is what they got.

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Speaker 1: This is what the snitches.

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Speaker 5: Said, and therefore we need to know more about these

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Speaker 5: two sources that the New York Times is talking about.

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Speaker 5: Are they the same ones that Greenberg allegedly said, We're

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Speaker 5: willing to lie in order to back up Greenberg and

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Speaker 5: harm Gates. Greenberg is serving eleven years for sex trafficking

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Speaker 5: and all sorts of other scammy, scummy stuff.

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Speaker 6: He was like the tax collector of Seminole County.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and and to your he pleaded guilty to underage,

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Speaker 10: sex trafficking, wirefraud, stalking identity thuft, producing a fake ID card,

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Speaker 10: and conspiring defraud US government.

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Speaker 6: Pleaded guilty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Just despicable human being and has previously concocted claims against

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Speaker 5: political opponents for sleeping with minors. There was I believe

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Speaker 5: it was a teacher who was running against him for

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Speaker 5: tax collector, as I guess as a Democrat, and he

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Speaker 5: created this elaborate scheme where he created a fake email

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Speaker 5: and emailed the school and made these fake claims about

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Speaker 5: this teacher to try to destroy the person, not just

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Speaker 5: the person's electoral chances against him, but the person's entire life.

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Speaker 5: Because you get an allegation like that at the school,

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Speaker 5: the community. Everyone is going to take that immensely seriously

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Speaker 5: because it's just being made up. What are the chances

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Speaker 5: of that, Well, the chances are remote, but it turns

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Speaker 5: out sometimes that happens.

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Speaker 4: And Greenberg actually apologized for this.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, this is not in dispute, Like we

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Speaker 5: know for a fact that this is a card that

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Speaker 5: this guy play. Now, why say we are treating our

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Speaker 5: audience like adults here able to hold complicated and contradictory

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Speaker 5: thoughts in their mind. Is that this guy was like

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Speaker 5: Gates's best bud and they were at parties with with

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Speaker 5: like high schoolers and college girls like, which is gross.

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Speaker 6: Yes, in their mid thirties.

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Speaker 5: In their mid thirties, like get a grip. But it's

739
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Speaker 5: not a crime, and that's not what they're being accused of.

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Speaker 5: So you can think that they're gross dudes. But the

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Speaker 5: question here is did they do did he? Did Gates

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Speaker 5: do this crime?

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Speaker 6: Exactly?

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Speaker 5: The Justice Department, according to people that familiar with this matter,

745
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Speaker 5: found the witnesses not to be.

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Speaker 1: Credible and drop the charges.

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Speaker 5: So they apparently found the jail house snitche to be credible.

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Speaker 4: And this is the Biden Justice Department, right, and this

749
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Speaker 4: is part of a plea deal with Greenberg. By the way,

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Speaker 4: they wanted to get Gates so badly that they struck

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Speaker 4: this plea deal with Greenberg. So that could reflect on

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Speaker 4: the credibility of everything that he's admitted to.

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Speaker 6: Of course, but he still got a long prison sentence.

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Speaker 4: And this is the Biden Justice Department that has been

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Speaker 4: targeted by Matt Gates over note, like, Matt Gates is

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Speaker 4: one of the harshest, most vehement critics of the Biden

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Speaker 4: Justice Department, of the Justice Department in general. So if

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Speaker 4: there's anybody that they would want to get and like

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Speaker 4: do it quickly, it would have been Matt Gates. They tried,

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Speaker 4: and they were leaking salacious stuff about this investigation all

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Speaker 4: along the way, and ultimately couldn't get him.

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Speaker 6: They couldn't get him.

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of where there's smoke, there's fire

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Speaker 4: in this case. There are tons of VENMO transactions between

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Speaker 4: Matt Gates and his two female accusers.

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Speaker 5: Right, there's a new one that's like seven hundred dollars,

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Speaker 5: it's up to ten thousands.

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Speaker 1: The memo says like tuition reimbursement.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I have them read this is gross stuff. Like, yeah, exact.

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Speaker 5: Gates has said that people are mistaking his generosity to

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Speaker 5: his ex girlfriend for paying for institution.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, I mean you can literally look at the

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Speaker 4: Venmo transactions.

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Speaker 6: It's right there, you can see it. And again, this

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Speaker 6: is a guy at best.

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Speaker 4: He's in his mid thirties and he's hanging around flying

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Speaker 4: these girls around the country and paying them on Venmo.

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Speaker 4: One of them reportedly lied and said she was over

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Speaker 4: eighteen when she was seventeen. Either way, they're very young women.

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Speaker 4: And you know, that's a different question than.

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Speaker 5: H and as Mark Capudo reported in Politico in this

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Speaker 5: article in twenty twenty one or three, whenever it was,

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Speaker 5: they went on this trip to the Bahamas, all these

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Speaker 5: creeps and the Customs and Border patrol stopped the plane

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Speaker 5: when the private plan when it landed because there were

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Speaker 5: such young looking women on the plane, and like they

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Speaker 5: were like, this is creepy. It's a bunch of old

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Speaker 5: dudes and some very young women. They turned out to

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Speaker 5: be eighteen. So it does show how low you have

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Speaker 5: to stoop to make the case for mec Gates, which

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Speaker 5: is your honor.

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Speaker 1: They were eighteen, Like that's pretty pitiful.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, the charges that they were seventeen

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Speaker 5: and so far the claim the charges don't look like

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Speaker 5: they're sticking. Yeah, and you wind up with these situations

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Speaker 5: like Sunny Houston got herself into yesterday at the View.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we have that clip handy, but I

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Speaker 5: don't know if you saw this. She was forced to

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Speaker 5: do like a legal read, because if you say with

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Speaker 5: certainty that these things happened, yep, you're not on very

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Speaker 5: firm legal grounds. So she was forced to do on

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Speaker 5: the View a legal read where she looked at the

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Speaker 5: camera and said, Matt Gates denies blub blah, and the

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Speaker 5: just Department dropped the claims and I'm embarrassing that doesn't

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Speaker 5: have to.

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Speaker 4: Do Yeah, yeah, I mean so this is also a

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Speaker 4: really impossible story to follow because the details are just

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Speaker 4: it's layers and layers and layers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and one.

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Speaker 1: Of the words handle thing possible.

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Speaker 4: Very panhandled one of the women, the one where I

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Speaker 4: referenced lying about our age that was reportedly to Greenberg,

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Speaker 4: just to clarify. But all of this gets back to

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Speaker 4: whether or not Matt Gates had sex with a seventeen

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Speaker 4: year old when he was in his mid thirty and.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen year old.

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Speaker 5: This is Greenberg was like trafficking ye to other to

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Speaker 5: his friends and stuff.

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Speaker 4: And that's what it gets to, right, So there's that question.

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Speaker 4: There's also just ample, ample evidence that Matt Gates, if

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Speaker 4: you are hardcore MAGA, is not the person that is

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Speaker 4: going to successfully uproot the Department of Justice compared to

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Speaker 4: what somebody like Jim Jordan could do or somebody who

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Speaker 4: comes in without the sleezy baggage. In this case, I

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Speaker 4: don't think it's necessary to pluck like the sleaziest person

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Speaker 4: out of Congress because he's one of the most ardent

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Speaker 4: opponents of a department that desperately needs ardent opponents.

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Speaker 6: Like He's not.

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Speaker 4: The only person. He wasn't the only option. I think

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Speaker 4: he was an option though. To make a point that

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Speaker 4: we are going to, as Trump says, we are going

832
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Speaker 4: to go wild, like we are going to dismantle this department.

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Speaker 4: We are absolutely deadly serious about it. And that's why

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Speaker 4: Trump is doubling down. He said he was asked yesterday

835
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Speaker 4: if he would reconsider Gates, and he said no. Lefong

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Speaker 4: makes an interesting point on X. He said before he

837
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Speaker 4: was appointed ag in two thousand and nine, air Holder

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Speaker 4: helped Purdue Pharma negotiate a sweetheart West Virginia settlement as

839
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Speaker 4: the firm was flooding Appalachia with dangerous opioids. Made a

840
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Speaker 4: career of helping large corporations dodge accountability for fraud, yet

841
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Speaker 4: that was never a major scandal. And so there's this

842
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Speaker 4: meta conversation as well about how all of our politicians

843
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Speaker 4: are extremely sleazy and the media and political establishment has

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Speaker 4: a double standard.

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Speaker 6: To your point, Ryan, all of that stuff can be true.

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Speaker 4: Matt Gates can be excellent on Lina Khan and anti trust,

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Speaker 4: and be excellent on surveillance and all of those seriously

848
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Speaker 4: very important topics that nobody in the political establishment. They

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Speaker 4: might pay lip service to it once in a while

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Speaker 4: or they might not, but they're not serious about actually

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Speaker 4: creating change.

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Speaker 6: Matt Gates seems to be.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the boldest proponents of anti trust reform

854
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Speaker 4: on the right. He has actually put his money in

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Speaker 4: his mouth as he has stuck with it a main consistent,

856
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Speaker 4: not waffled like the people we had tight cerws on.

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Speaker 4: He has, you know, break up big tech in his book.

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Speaker 4: He cannot stand lean a con I know this is like,

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Speaker 4: this is rare, and there's something about Matt gatesby at

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice that would be somewhat satisfying from

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Speaker 4: a policy perspective.

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Speaker 6: But but it's that it's easy to get.

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Speaker 4: Caught, I think in the meta conversation and not just

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Speaker 4: sort of the simple for draining the swamp.

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Speaker 6: You know what's uh, what's make.

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Speaker 1: And maybe you're right to the point that.

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Speaker 5: The left's best hope might be that he's just not

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Speaker 5: equipped experientially to run an organization of this size in

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Speaker 5: the way that he wants, right, Yeah, I mean and

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Speaker 5: and when I mean the left, I mean people concerned

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Speaker 5: about what he's going to do when it comes to

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Speaker 5: weaponizing the Justice Department in defense of Trump's worst instincts.

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Speaker 5: The left would be happy that if he actually succeeded

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Speaker 5: in pushing forward surveillance reform, anti Trump stuff, that kind

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Speaker 5: of thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So no, I mean, there's obviously he was I think

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Speaker 4: he was targeted for political reasons. I think he's continuing

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Speaker 4: to be targeted for political reasons. I think the media

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Speaker 4: has a total double standard when it comes to Matt Gates.

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Speaker 6: I think we do have a whole lot of awful politicians.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that from a conservative perspective, that practically

883
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Speaker 4: or morally justifies Matt Gates.

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Speaker 6: I just disagree with that argument.

885
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 5: But hey, yeah, and just because it seems like the

886
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Speaker 5: claim that he slept with a seventeen year old is

887
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 5: not well found, it doesn't mean you have to like

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Speaker 5: the guy and think that he's a morally upstanding figure.

889
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Speaker 4: It also, to me seems like he's so ripe for

890
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Speaker 4: blackmail when you're leading a department like this.

891
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Speaker 5: Part of the reason I atudy of blackmail guys where

892
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Speaker 5: everything's already out.

893
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Speaker 4: That's true, but I don't know that everything is already out,

894
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Speaker 4: that's true.

895
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Speaker 1: Good lord, he brought Chuck.

896
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Speaker 4: Johnson to the State of the Union known FED Chuck

897
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Speaker 4: Johnson to the State of the Union one year.

898
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Speaker 5: And there's a lawsuit against him for not being a

899
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Speaker 5: FED other from some like AI Silicon Valley antagonists of

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Speaker 5: his huh that he's falsely claiming to.

901
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Speaker 6: Be as falsely claiming to be a FED.

902
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Speaker 1: That's according to this lawsuit.

903
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Speaker 6: Incredible stuff.

904
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Magiz did.

905
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Speaker 5: Out Peter Tiel as a FED, and Peter Tiele then

906
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: acknowledged that he had been doing that.

907
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Speaker 4: Magis is entangled in a very interesting web of personalities

908
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Speaker 4: and anyway, that's I think. I hope that people will

909
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Speaker 4: leave this segment more well informed than anyone leaving the

910
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Speaker 4: segments done by our next subject here, which would be

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00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 4: Morning Joe. Let's pivot to Mourning Joe. Hard pivot to

912
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 4: Mourning Joe. We have to roll this clip of them

913
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: every day.

914
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Speaker 7: Now.

915
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: It's sort of like reality television, which is always what

916
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: Morning Joe actually, I think has some of the best

917
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 4: production quality and television like it's so casual they understand

918
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: why people watch TV, even if the content is terrible.

919
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: The production is generally kind of compelling at Morning Joe

920
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 4: because it's like reality television, and that's what we are

921
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 4: seeing play out on the show this week as they

922
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Speaker 4: are just absolutely playing up the attention.

923
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Speaker 6: They've received for kissing the ring.

924
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Speaker 5: At Moral Lago or the attention they're not getting too

925
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Speaker 5: Yes reviewers, it's.

926
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Speaker 6: A little bit of both.

927
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Speaker 4: So let's roll this clip from yesterday's edition of Morning Joe.

928
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Speaker 11: Yesterday saw for the first time what a massive disconnect

929
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Speaker 11: there was between social media and the real world, because

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Speaker 11: we were flooded with phone calls from people all day

931
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Speaker 11: literally around the world, very positive, very supportives, going understand

932
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Speaker 11: what you do, et cetera, et cetera. But once in

933
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Speaker 11: a while I would get a text for a conference.

934
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Speaker 1: And go, oh, man, I hope you're doing okay.

935
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Speaker 11: And I call him back and I go, well, Eddie

936
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Speaker 11: Glauds went up and we go Eddie.

937
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 6: Are you on Twitter?

938
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Speaker 7: And he goes, I am my god, I'm not.

939
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Speaker 11: So We've had a good day. Miki just had a

940
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Speaker 11: wonderful event. That is fantastic.

941
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Speaker 4: They're just like leaning into each other. Desk is too

942
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Speaker 4: far and we don't have.

943
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Speaker 6: Any Starbucks like that. They always up Starbucks.

944
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they're sponsored there.

945
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Speaker 6: We have Stager's weird African coffee.

946
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we also got our own faces.

947
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Speaker 6: We have our own faces, which.

948
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Speaker 1: We should go buy in the mug store that we

949
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Speaker 1: got over there.

950
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Speaker 6: By the mug. So that was the point of the

951
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Speaker 6: segments to sell mugs.

952
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Speaker 5: And so yeah, obviously this comes after they went down

953
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Speaker 5: to mar A Lago kissed the ring. Their their audience

954
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Speaker 5: recoiled because their audience has been told for the last

955
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Speaker 5: eight years this is Hitler reincarnated by them, Yeah, by them,

956
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 5: told by them, And so now they're saying, well, we

957
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 5: better go ahead and kind of you know, kiss and

958
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 5: makeup and hey one, so we should all be friends

959
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 5: and that just doesn't clash, like if those two things

960
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 5: just do not work together. And so their their audience

961
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 5: is absolutely livid. Their friends who have their cell phone

962
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Speaker 5: numbers think it's cool.

963
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Speaker 1: And so from Mika.

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Speaker 5: And Joe's perspective, that shows that Twitter is not real life.

965
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Speaker 6: Which, by the way, it's the year of Our Lord

966
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. They're just coming to this realization. They

967
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 6: cover politics every single day.

968
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 5: In this case, I think they're wrong. I think the

969
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 5: people in their cell phones are not real life. Yes,

970
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Speaker 5: Twitter is actually much closer to real life in this

971
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Speaker 5: sense than the fact that they're All of their friends

972
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Speaker 5: around the country are like, yeah, sure.

973
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Speaker 1: This is working for you.

974
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Speaker 5: Let's roll, well not roll, but put up C two

975
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 5: here is this is an interesting kind of way that

976
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 5: they're responding to this. Our friend of the show, Aaron Ruppar,

977
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 5: who has some irrational hatred of me that I've never

978
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Speaker 5: quite know of you.

979
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Speaker 6: I didn't know that.

980
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: It's quite bizarre.

981
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 5: Many such cases, many such cases, so he writes, Morning

982
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 5: Joe has turned off replies to tweets, and hasn't been

983
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 5: posting clips of the show. The trip to mar A

984
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 5: Lago not going well.

985
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 4: This is Pete Ruper, he noticed before anyone the morning

986
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: Joe wasn't posting clips.

987
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 5: I agree with Rupar here, This is a fair observation.

988
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 5: If you're a show that is afraid to be seen,

989
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 5: that doesn't bode well because your job as a show

990
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 5: is to be seen.

991
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's put the next element up on the screen.

992
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 4: Just continuing on with this theme, this is also resistance,

993
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 4: Ron Foblkowski. If Trump has them that intimidated that they

994
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 4: need to retire MSNBC hosts piled on CNN earlier this year,

995
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: but their code of silence on this is gross. Have

996
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 4: some courage and integrity. Is that too much to ask?

997
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 4: Or are you just too comfortable? He was responding to

998
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: this George Conway tweet you see on your Screen, where

999
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 4: Brian Stelter reported that, according to two sources with direct knowledge,

1000
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 4: Joe Scarborough Mika Persinski were credibly concerned that they could

1001
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 4: face governmental and legal harassment from the incoming Trump administration.

1002
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 4: George Conway quote tweets that this Twitter drama is positively

1003
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: middle school esque and says, sadly, Brian's reporting is correct.

1004
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 6: Over the past week, I heard.

1005
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 4: From two entirely separate, very reliable sources with some vivid

1006
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 4: detail that they are absolutely terrified of Trump. Entirely separate,

1007
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 4: very reliable sources. I wonder if those sources were Joe

1008
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: and Mika, or if there were people like Joe and

1009
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 4: Mika who are absolutely terrified of Trump. But George Conway,

1010
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 4: who goes on MSNBC, would be in a position to

1011
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 4: know what the mindset is of people in that orbit,

1012
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: saying basically, Joe Amica went down to mar Alago because

1013
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 4: they don't want to face face backlash, legal backlash potentially

1014
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: from a Trump administration now run. Phil mccawski and Jen Rubin,

1015
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 4: another person who goes on MSNBC, have been apoplectic about

1016
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: this about Joe Amica going to kiss the ring. And indeed,

1017
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: it appears that the audience, to the point you made,

1018
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 4: is as well. So let's put C four up on

1019
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: the screen. It's the report from the Daily Beasts. The

1020
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 4: ratings are falling, So the headline is Morning Joe ratings

1021
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: fall after Trump meeting announcement. Nielsen data showed a drop

1022
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: in viewers after the six a m. Hour.

1023
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 5: So, and what's fascinating about that is that the show

1024
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 5: goes from six to ten, God bless them, and because

1025
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: they most of the country's still sleep at six am,

1026
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 5: the audience for the program builds, builds throughout the day

1027
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 5: and then falls kind of toward the you know, after

1028
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 5: people have, you know, things to do. But what the

1029
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 5: media ie records that they obtained show is that they

1030
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 5: go on and they say, hey, everybody, guess what cool

1031
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 5: news We went down to Marlago.

1032
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: Trump's Okay, their audience collapsed.

1033
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 5: Thirty percent of those in the twenty five to fifty

1034
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 5: four demographic had stopped watching by the next hour. That's significant, Yeah,

1035
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 5: because normally you're growing up and now you're losing thirty

1036
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 5: eight percent.

1037
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 6: And thirty eight percent is a lot.

1038
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 5: I'm not a math major, but it's a lot. And

1039
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 5: so clearly what happened was people were like, are you

1040
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 5: fing kidding me?

1041
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: Click right? Not dealing with this right?

1042
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 5: If you want your resistance content from the people who've

1043
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 5: been giving it to you for eight years, and now

1044
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 5: all of a sudden they're telling you that actually, which

1045
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 5: you know, we're not going to beat up their audience.

1046
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 5: But throughout the twenty sixteen campaign, it was quite obvious

1047
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 5: that that Mika and Joe were like longtime friends of

1048
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 5: Donald Trump and loved the fact that he was running

1049
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 5: because it was incredible for the ratings.

1050
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: It was constantly calling in and flirting with them literally, yes, literally.

1051
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 5: Flirting with them, and then he actually shocked them by winning,

1052
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 5: and then their relationship soured.

1053
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: And so here we are.

1054
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 4: Right and they say they did all of this because,

1055
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: in their sanctimonious way, it.

1056
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 6: Was absolutely worth it, quote, absolutely worth.

1057
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 4: It to get Donald Trump to come out and make

1058
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: a statement saying he supports a free and fair press,

1059
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 4: and that is essential. This is their argument, is that

1060
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 4: it was worth their time to go kiss the ring

1061
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 4: because they got him to say nice things about the press.

1062
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 4: And that's just absolutely essential the work that they've done

1063
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 4: so to support the.

1064
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: Media to hear.

1065
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 5: And maybe you agree with everything that they're saying, but

1066
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 5: what is clear is that they're only saying it out

1067
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 5: of fear, right uh, and and because things have not

1068
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 5: gone their way, and to me, they should just then

1069
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: step down, like if if you if you are acting

1070
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 5: out of fear rather than out of your true, genuine

1071
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 5: impulses that you want to share with the audience.

1072
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: Let somebody else do they do the gig well.

1073
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 4: Interestingly, Comcasts officially announced that it plans to spin off

1074
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 4: NBC universal cable channels into separate, publicly traded a separate,

1075
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: publicly traded company.

1076
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Speaker 1: That's official.

1077
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 6: Now, yeah, that broke crystal text of it this morning.

1078
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: Oh boy.

1079
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I.

1080
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Mean that's a about what that means.

1081
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: It means an interesting future ahead of MSNBC because the

1082
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 4: NBC News and NBC MSNBC tension seems to be higher

1083
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 4: than it ever really has been in their history. By

1084
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: the way, the ms and NBC gener it stands for Microsoft,

1085
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 4: Microsoft NBC, Microsoft NBC. It's sad that Microsoft didn't just

1086
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 4: buy and MSNBC back because we would be in for

1087
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 4: the same Joe and Mika bullshit.

1088
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 6: Because that's what I mean.

1089
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 4: That's the real problem with MSNBC is that they have

1090
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: spent years, like you said, they wanted it to be

1091
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 4: known they were very close to Donald Trump, they had

1092
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 4: access to power. They always thrived on that access to power.

1093
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: They broadcast from the middle of Manhattan in thirty rock

1094
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: and they want you to.

1095
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 6: Know that they want it to be clear that.

1096
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 4: They are talking to the movers and the shakers and

1097
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 4: that they're friends with them. And that's what you see

1098
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 4: when they're in their quarters up streaking their Starbucks is

1099
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Speaker 4: this is just friends chatting. And you never really get

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Speaker 4: much like disruptive content, even when they frame sort of

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Speaker 4: things like.

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Speaker 6: Oh maybe this wokenws stuff is going so going a

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Speaker 6: little bit too far as disruptive.

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Speaker 4: Right, So now they like it's fascinating to see what

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Speaker 4: will happen with MSNBC. Does it become just the network

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Speaker 4: of people like who tune in for George and Jen

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Speaker 4: Rubin and the niche partisan content Nicole Wallace whatever else, Jensaki?

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Speaker 4: Is it going to become that network? Or is it

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Speaker 4: still going to try to be a news network? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think it's a pretty interesting question if you're the

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Speaker 4: executives looking at the future.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and basically you're just going for people over forty

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Speaker 5: five and fifty at this point, Like the idea that

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Speaker 5: you're going to get any new people under that age

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Speaker 5: to start watching cable news, I think at this point

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Speaker 5: most smart people recognize is a fantasy. So then it's like, well, okay, well,

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Speaker 5: how many of those people are democrats and independent leaning

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Speaker 5: democrats are democratic leaning independence and.

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Speaker 1: Can you can you can you can?

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Speaker 5: Basically can you convince cable companies to continue carrying you

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Speaker 5: and paying you, because that's for people that don't understand

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Speaker 5: the way that cable companies make money. It's not mostly

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Speaker 5: through the advertising. It's from your cable bill that you

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Speaker 5: pay to the cable company. A piece of that goes

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Speaker 5: to Fox or MSNBC or CNN. And the way that

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Speaker 5: they maintain that is by maintaining their relevance. That people say,

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Speaker 5: if I'm getting cable, I want these cable news channels.

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Speaker 5: And you'll have fights where people will say, I don't

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Speaker 5: want to have to pay for Fox, make Fox all

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Speaker 5: a card, or I don't want to have to pay

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Speaker 5: for CNN or whatever, but other people like it.

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Speaker 1: I'm paying for basic cable I need I want the

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Speaker 1: news right like that? What else?

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Speaker 5: What else am I doing? What else do I want here?

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Speaker 5: I can get the rest of it anywhere else. So

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Speaker 5: as long as there's a minimum threshold number of people

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Speaker 5: who want MSNBC as part of their cable package, and

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Speaker 5: that and that that is understood.

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Speaker 1: Through surveys of their users and angry phone calls.

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Speaker 5: Then the cable companies will keep paying them these kind

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Speaker 5: of these very lucrative amount of money because think about

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Speaker 5: how much money you pay every month for cable, if

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00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 5: you still get cable, it's a lot and a huge

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Speaker 5: chunk of that then goes back to these networks.

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Speaker 6: That's why there's this incentive to be nicheified.

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Speaker 4: And so that's what you know, Scarborough and Mika Brazinski

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Speaker 4: are really trying.

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Speaker 6: They're popping right now in a very uncomfortable way.

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Speaker 4: This audience, this niche audience that they've cultivated in a bubble,

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Speaker 4: which is listen. I don't think niche audiences are necessarily

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Speaker 4: a bad thing. I think they're really dangerous in politics,

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Speaker 4: but they're cool in like music, and they're cool in

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Speaker 4: all kinds of like different cultural sphears. Like I think

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Speaker 4: it's great that we have a medium environment where you know,

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Speaker 4: Shane Smith can come back and do his show for

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Speaker 4: Vice and like there's some type of audience for it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, this is also really dangerous if it's

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Speaker 4: creating political bubbles that people. For example, Tom Cotton publishes

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Speaker 4: an obed in the New York Times because the New

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Speaker 4: York Times builds this not monoculture audience over the course

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Speaker 4: of the Trump administration, but niche audience of resistance people.

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Speaker 6: Because they publish.

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Speaker 4: This Tom Cotton oupbed people cancel their subscriptions, or Washington

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Speaker 4: Post same thing. People are canceling their subscriptions because the

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Speaker 4: Post made a decision to go back to the pre

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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six standard of not endorsing a presidential candidate

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Speaker 4: because they their business failing. It's actually really fascinating and

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Speaker 4: interesting decision that these executives have to make is whether

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Speaker 4: they want to reach the broadest audience possible or corner

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Speaker 4: a niche and you can do really well like Stephen Colbert,

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Speaker 4: at least funny most partisan guy in Late Night over

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Speaker 4: the course of Trump administration, he was the top rated

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Speaker 4: for most.

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Speaker 1: Of a lot of people ustration because people.

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Speaker 6: Tune in over and over again when a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: People don't work in politics, like they just want the

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Speaker 4: comfort food. And if MSNBC was giving people comfort food,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't really doing news unless you know it was

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Speaker 4: maybe some connection to NBC News, some of their reporters

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Speaker 4: coming on whatever. So as soon as you start dishing

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Speaker 4: out vegetables, you're going to lose your audience, because that's

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Speaker 4: not why they patronize your product anymore. And so that's

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Speaker 4: a huge, huge conflict for them going forward. And they're

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Speaker 4: out a fork in the road. They can decide to

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Speaker 4: do news or do comfort food. So best of luck

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Speaker 4: to best of luck to them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move.

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Speaker 6: On to our next block.

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Speaker 4: This is the ongoing trial of the murder of Lake

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Speaker 4: and Riley, which is taking place down in Georgia. We

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Speaker 4: can put the first element up on the screen. This

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Speaker 4: is the ride up from the New York Post. You

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Speaker 4: can see a picture of Lincoln Riley on the screen

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Speaker 4: there if you're watching it. Lakeln Riley was twenty two.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just gonna read a little bit from an

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Speaker 4: ABC News report about the trial yesterday. The last moments

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Speaker 4: before Laken Riley was killed while out on a run

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Speaker 4: on the University of George's campus were shown in court

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Speaker 4: on Tuesday, on the third day of the trial involving

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Speaker 4: the murder of the twenty two year old nursing student.

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Speaker 6: The Augustine University student was.

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Speaker 4: Found dead in a wooded area on the Athens campus

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Speaker 4: on February of twenty second. Hose Abara, twenty six, is

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Speaker 4: accused of murdering Riley after prosecutor said she quote refused

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Speaker 4: to be his rape victim. It Bara an undocumented migrant

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Speaker 4: who was charged with malice murder and felony murder in

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Speaker 4: connection with her death, which became a rallying cry for

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Speaker 4: immigration reform for many conservatives, including President Donald Trump. So

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Speaker 4: as this murder trial plays out, it is harrowing, and

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Speaker 4: I've seen it actually covered by a lot of the

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Speaker 4: women's centric publications, like people that cover true crime a lot,

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Speaker 4: because American women are very interested in true crime. I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying that in any her misogynistic way. That's literally

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Speaker 4: statistically truly like there's polling on it, and that means

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Speaker 4: it's sort of undermining the point that ABC just made

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Speaker 4: in its article that it became a rallying cry throughout

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Speaker 4: the presidential election. The case study of Lake and Riley

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Speaker 4: and I think Ryan it was actually one of the

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Speaker 4: most important moments in a twenty twenty four election in

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Speaker 4: terms of like deciding people's minds changing on the Biden

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Speaker 4: immigration policies or put a face on it for a

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Speaker 4: lot of people who were thinking about the Biden administration

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Speaker 4: and Kamala Harrison deciding what they wanted to say, I

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Speaker 4: think it makes people more comfortable with Donald Trump, for example,

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Speaker 4: when there's a picture of a twenty two year old

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Speaker 4: nursing student and the sort of horrible situation that she endured.

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Speaker 4: And that's not trying to politicize, it's just trying to

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Speaker 4: explain why I think it was powerful in the election.

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Speaker 5: I guess you know, it's a horrific tragedy. Yeah, it

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Speaker 5: always makes me uncomfortable when people when when a particular

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Speaker 5: tragedy gets its attention because of who the assailant is

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Speaker 5: rather than and and because it fits a political agenda,

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Speaker 5: like people who were born here in this country commit

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Speaker 5: horrific murders actually every day. Yeah, and they're victims are

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Speaker 5: no more, no less worthy of of our attention. And

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Speaker 5: so that part of it makes me uncomfortable. But of

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Speaker 5: course it's it's it's horrifying it and I think the

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Speaker 5: thing that has, you know, helped to catapult it into

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Speaker 5: the public's imagination is also the way that it happened,

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Speaker 5: just going going for a job and getting great.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the it's the worst nightmare of.

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Speaker 5: People who are running early in the morning as just

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Speaker 5: as the sun is coming up, that's something that some

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Speaker 5: murderer is going to jump out of the bushes like,

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Speaker 5: and it's it's it's it's out of that a kind

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Speaker 5: of storybook fear that fortunately is rare, but when it happens, it's.

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Speaker 1: Going to it's going to get elevated.

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Speaker 5: And then when it turns out that the person was

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Speaker 5: here I legally, then it's going to be weaponized. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: we'll get a verdict in the next couple days probably, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing with this trial is that it's

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Speaker 4: really playing out like a true a pretty traditional true

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Speaker 4: crime trial does these days, where you're hearing I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're seeing the mother's last text messages to Lake and

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Speaker 4: Riley and just the all of the sort of heart

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Speaker 4: wrenching details that come out, and.

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Speaker 1: Try his brother is supposed to testify. He's been he's

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Speaker 1: been called.

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Speaker 6: And he won't.

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Speaker 4: He's not testifying. Josse Obara is not testifying. So it's

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Speaker 4: a yeah, his brother's supposed to testify.

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Speaker 5: It And according to one of the witnesses who was

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Speaker 5: and it was complicated that he said he basically acknowledged

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Speaker 5: that his brother did it and that if the woman

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Speaker 5: said anything about it, he'd kill her too.

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Speaker 4: And he's supposed to. So part of this is that

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Speaker 4: the prosecution arm sorry, the defense seems to be pointing

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Speaker 4: its fingers subtly, as some people have said, at the brother.

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Speaker 4: That's part of the defense is suggesting that it was

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Speaker 4: in the Barra So it's yeah, it's a very complicated trial.

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Speaker 4: It's no surprise that it's getting as much attention as

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Speaker 4: it is now.

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Speaker 5: In the New York Post, the quote from the brother

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Speaker 5: was all kill you too or something like that, yeah,

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Speaker 5: which suggests that he's saying that he was the actual killer,

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Speaker 5: not the brother.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was getting some federal benefits it borrow was.

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Speaker 4: That's why, I mean, we probably disagree in the implications

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Speaker 4: of this because I agree with you that there is

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Speaker 4: a lot of evidence that people who come into the

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Speaker 4: country illegally actually commit crimes at a lower rate. And

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Speaker 4: while that might be true, I mean, there's competing research

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Speaker 4: on it. The research that I've looked at it seems

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Speaker 4: to lean more heavily into the direction that it's a

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Speaker 4: lower rate.

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Speaker 6: Of crime committed.

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Speaker 4: But there's partisans on both sides doing this research, so

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Speaker 4: it's hard to actually get to the bottom of that.

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Speaker 4: What I would say, though, is, you know, I think

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Speaker 4: most Americans would look at I have the CBP numbers

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Speaker 4: up in front of me right now, the fiscal year

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Speaker 4: twenty four one thousand cases of people who are in

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Speaker 4: the country illegally committing assault, battery, domestic violence, twenty eight

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Speaker 4: hundred cases of driving under the influence, thirty cases of

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Speaker 4: homicide and manslaughter. You know, this is compared to the

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Speaker 4: rest of the country. Obviously, these are small numbers.

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Speaker 5: But when you need to know the denominator, how many

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Speaker 5: people are here illegally is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it twelve million? Is it twenty million?

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Speaker 4: Right which we literally don't know. We genuinely don't have

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Speaker 4: a clear number on that question. But if you are

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Speaker 4: the family of Lake and Riley and you're looking at

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Speaker 4: an alleged trende Aragua member who was getting taxpayer funded

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Speaker 4: flights from Kennedy to Atlanta JFK to Atlanta, and you

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Speaker 4: know he's already in the country, it's not legally in

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Speaker 4: the country, that's already a question. It probably will reflect

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Speaker 4: on the immigration policy from your perspectives. You know, we

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Speaker 4: have plenty of to your point, we have plenty of

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Speaker 4: murder in the country as it is. We have plenty

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Speaker 4: of our own domestic problems to deal with as it is.

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Speaker 6: And so that's the extent.

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Speaker 4: To which I think it reflects on That is like

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Speaker 4: that question of fairness. So we probably disagree on that,

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Speaker 4: but that's I think why the trial resonated with so

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Speaker 4: many people in the election.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: We have this clip of Chad Wolfe, who was a

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Speaker 4: Trump administration. He was DHS under Trump, wasn't he? I

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Speaker 4: think he was like acting or was he? Yeah, he

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Speaker 4: was acting Secretary of DHS. I don't think he was

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Speaker 4: ever formally confirmed. Here's how he reacted on Fox News

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Speaker 4: for a taste of how we can see the Trump

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Speaker 4: administration handle list down the road.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's beyond awful because any any criminal act, particularly

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Speaker 12: this one committed by newly alien, has won this preventable.

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Speaker 12: They shouldn't be here to begin with, and they were facilitated.

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Speaker 12: This individual appears to be a facilitated by the Bike

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Speaker 12: administrations border security policies. Right, He's from Venezuela. He gets

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Speaker 12: in on a parole, he gets flown and transported to

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Speaker 12: New York City. Is not happy there, right, So New

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Speaker 12: York then moving to Georgia, all of this could have

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Speaker 12: been avoided if you actually have policies in place that

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Speaker 12: deter this illegal immigration, and folks that do claim asylum

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Speaker 12: do claim some type of protections under law. We don't

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Speaker 12: simply release them into the country, right, you use remain

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Speaker 12: in Mexico, or you use other things that were put

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Speaker 12: in place to hold these individuals and then allow them

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Speaker 12: their time in court if they get to do that.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, it'll be obviously a powerful talking point

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Speaker 4: for the Trump administration in the months ahead as they decide.

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Speaker 4: You know, the question of mass deportations, which is we

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Speaker 4: continue to hear from Trump administration officials or incoming Trump

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Speaker 4: administration officials themselves, is very much on the table.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: Mass deportation is not a technical clinical term. We don't

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Speaker 4: know what mass deportation would actually be. Were told that

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Speaker 4: it would start with the quote unquote worst of the worst,

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Speaker 4: the people who are here and already have rap sheets

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Speaker 4: or have been, you know, coming in and out and

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Speaker 4: trafficking whatever it is.

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Speaker 6: Now, that's a very difficult thing to do and of itself.

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Speaker 5: So we don't know, Yeah, what's going to happen if

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Speaker 5: they Trump empties out the jails and prisons to ports

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Speaker 5: people who are here illegally but we're serving sentences. They

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Speaker 5: then come back into the country, get around his magical wall,

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Speaker 5: commit a crime.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to get wall of wall covers of that.

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Speaker 4: You think, I mean, it's a pretty and will that

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Speaker 4: then be held against the Trump administration?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 5: Because it wouldn't happen if the person had been left

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Speaker 5: in prison.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Republicans have held the Republican administrations feed to the

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Speaker 4: fire over immigration. I mean, this was actually part of

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Speaker 4: the problem with the corn In versus Thune versus Rick

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Speaker 4: Scott conflict we talked about last week is people were

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Speaker 4: absolutely furious about how Cornyn and Thune had handled the

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Speaker 4: immigration bill under Langford and McConnell last year. So maybe,

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Speaker 4: but obviously it's always different when it comes to Donald Trump.