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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Action

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Speaker 1: Network NFL podcast. I'm Matthew Friedman, the editor in chief

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Speaker 1: of Fantasy Labs, and we are coming to you with

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Speaker 1: a special episode, I would say, a very special episode.

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Speaker 1: It is the week of the NFL Combine. The teams

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Speaker 1: all down is in Heart. It's the director of the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Labs NFL platform and an Action Network analyst. You

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really did sneak up on us, but that

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it here.

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Speaker 3: And if you guys don't follow Matt already, I mean

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Speaker 2: The over hundred is forty five inches, the overs.

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Speaker 3: At plus two to twenty five odds right now, the

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Speaker 3: Steven Pea set this way back in twenty eleven. Unfortunately

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be the grinch and bet the under here,

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Speaker 3: Shelton gives him back in twenty seventeen. This is probably

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Speaker 3: the I believe it is the closest kind of odds

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Speaker 3: on both sides. The under for this is plus one forty.

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Speaker 3: The over for this is plus one forty. The under

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Speaker 1: like this record has actually been broken in pro days,

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Speaker 1: this record will probably be broken. So I'll still take

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Speaker 1: the under on it, but I'm not as vigorous in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely tighter at the top of the leader

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Speaker 3: Our last one is the bench press or over under

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Speaker 1: point eight seconds and for the vertical jump it's twenty

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00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,879
Speaker 1: nine and a half. Twenty nine and a half is

439
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 1: kind of low. And considering that he's a tall guy,

440
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 1: you know, like six' two sixty, THREE i think he

441
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 1: has a pretty decent chance of hitting. It he doesn't

442
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 1: have the reputation of being someone who's really, athletic but

443
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 1: even a lot of kind of middle of the road

444
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in terms of size and athleticism have been able

445
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 1: to surpass twenty nine and a, Half SO i think

446
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: he has a pretty decent chance of doing. It the

447
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: four point eight seconds for the forty TIMES i think

448
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: is probably about. Right i've also seen a number that's significantly,

449
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 1: lower like around four point seven to, one AND i

450
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: would hammer the over on that he's a guy who

451
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 1: just is not really that dynamic of a. Runner there

452
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: actually is a pretty decent correlation between forty time for

453
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and yards per, rush And haskins has like a

454
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: career mark of one point nine yards per, rush which

455
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: for quarterback is is pretty. Low so he's similar to

456
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: guys Like Josh rosen and so, like IF i had

457
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: to take a, SIDE i would still bet over four

458
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: point eight. Seconds it wouldn't be surprising if he even

459
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: like touched four point. Nine but that is pretty. Slow but,

460
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: yeah like he's not a speed. Guy someone who is that,

461
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: BIG i would kind of expect to be a little

462
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: bit over four point.

463
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 3: Eight, YEAH i agree that vertical looks like the prop

464
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 3: to take there if either of them all, right, now

465
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 3: we'll move on the running. Back so the main guy

466
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 3: a lot of people might want to See Bryce love

467
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 3: unfortunately tore HIS acl very late in the. Season he

468
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: will not be. Running so the guy everyone's turning the

469
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 3: focus to Is Josh. Jacobs bama had a running back

470
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 3: kind of committee all, season so he wasn't really their

471
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: featured guy like we've seen in years, past but did

472
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 3: a little bit of. Everything return, kicks caught the, ball

473
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 3: ran the ball, effectively and we're seeing him in the

474
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: upper first in the upper half of the first round

475
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 3: in some mock, DRAFTS i believe it or, not you,

476
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: know do running backs matter or? Not still a, question

477
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: but a lot of people think This Josh jacobs guy

478
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: is pretty. Good with that, said he is dealing with

479
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 3: a little bit of growing. Injury we're not positive he's

480
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 3: gonna run the. Forty but we also have a bench

481
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 3: res prop to worry About Matt what are your thoughts

482
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 3: On Josh.

483
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: Jacobs, Yeah i'm fairly conflicted on, him just even in

484
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: terms of like as a. Prospect you, know one of

485
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: the things that has proven predictive for running back production

486
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: in THE nfl when you're projecting guys from college is

487
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: just their production and that normally correlates to you, know

488
00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 1: draft position and also physical. Profile jacobs wasn't really productive in,

489
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: college and you can explain it away given that he

490
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: was playing with two other running backs who are pretty

491
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: good in their own. Right but, yeah it's kind of

492
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: hard to know what to do with. Him just in

493
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: terms of. Size he's comparable to guys that you would

494
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: expect to run let's, say anywhere from like a four

495
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: point five to like a four point five to. Six

496
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: in high, school he did run a four point, four

497
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 1: but he was two hundred. Pounds now he's around like

498
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: two hundred and twelve to two hundred and sixteen. Pounds

499
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: he did run a four point five At alabama's twenty

500
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: seventeen spring, Workouts SO i don't, know given his size

501
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: and what he ran last year in spring, TRAINING i

502
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: would kind of expect him to be a little bit

503
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: slower than four point, Five BUT i don't have a

504
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: strong lane on.

505
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: It and you mentioned this a little, bit just a

506
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: more general, question how do you normally interpret and kind

507
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 3: of lean towards those the high school numbers we get

508
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 3: or you, know With. Jacobs he did have a registered.

509
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: TIME i BELIEVE i was twenty seventeen Out obama spring,

510
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: workouts where every now and then the university just releases a.

511
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 3: TIME i, mean do you take that for truth or

512
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: kind of do the five second?

513
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: Role what are your?

514
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: Thoughts, yeah that's a good. Question SO i pay attention

515
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: to what guys did as recruits entering, college just BECAUSE

516
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: i kind of want to have that. Information but IF

517
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: i can get a number from spring, workouts that tends

518
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: to be more reliable because we just get a stronger

519
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: sense of what a guy's athleticism, is you, know right,

520
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: now or at least what it was before the last

521
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: season that he played where he's close to the same

522
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: size that he is, Now so it does give us

523
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: a pre decent sense of what we might. Expect but,

524
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: yeah it's a hand timed, measurement SO i think you

525
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: do add the point oh five seconds to it to

526
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: give you probably even a better sense of what he

527
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: might do at the.

528
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: Combine good.

529
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: Stuff we'll we're on some wide receivers. NOW i want

530
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: to Draft twitter's favorite prospects we got on deck, NOW Dk.

531
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 3: Metcalf he has a physique of A Greek god kind

532
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: of took Over twitter with a picture you have we're

533
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 3: just kind of shirtless hanging. Around but there's a lot

534
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: of debates founding is forty. TIME i, mean he certainly

535
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: looks the part of a top. Prospect he's flashed plenty

536
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: on the, field but we don't know how fast he.

537
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: Is how fast you think he, Is Matt.

538
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: Man there are people who are really into grinding tape

539
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: On twitter who think he's going to run like a

540
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: four point, Four AND i MEAN i want to. BET

541
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: i literally want to bet those PEOPLE i, Have Like

542
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: i've sent the messages being like, hey like if you believe,

543
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: this like totally. Cool i'm not trying to troll, you

544
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: but like let's bet on. This like you can invest

545
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: in what you, believe AND i can invest in WHAT

546
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: i believe. In like you, know we can cut out

547
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: the middleman of like you, know you, know any sports.

548
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: Book but, no people aren't interested. In so the thing

549
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: Is metcalf is listed at like six,' four two hundred and,

550
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: thirty pounds, and obviously you know you've seen the Picture

551
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: on twitter of him just looking. Totally jacked there is

552
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: no way that guy weighs only two hundred and, thirty

553
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: POUNDS like i would expect to be around two thirty

554
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: five maybe two forty when he shows up at, the

555
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: combine which puts him in kind Of Like mike Evans

556
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 1: Or kelvin benjamin type of territory as just like like,

557
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: his body, you know but there's like a pretty widespread

558
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: there that, You see like on, one hand You Have,

559
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: kelvin benjamin who, RAN like i think a four point,

560
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: sixty nine and then on the other hand You Have,

561
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: mike evans who ran like a four point five. To,

562
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: three right both of those are really good times for

563
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: someone of, that size but like that still doesn't get

564
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: you to four. Point, five so like it's possible that

565
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: he is just like an extraordinary physical player who has

566
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: this ability to run faster than most guys even when

567
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: he's bigger. Than them but it's just kind of hard

568
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: for me to believe. In that so even if he

569
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: has a time of only four point five two, or

570
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: something that will be amazing given. His Size but i'm

571
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: still gonna bet on the.

572
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 2: Over everyone if he not.

573
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: Catch That as matt's favorite prop of, the day he

574
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: is offered out to rangers online and trying to take their, Money.

575
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: No no when there are people who are bold enough

576
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: to say he's gonna run a four, To four, i'm,

577
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: LIKE okay i will bet. Against THAT like, I will

578
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: i will bet. AGAINST that I.

579
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: Think i might have even seen a single tweet that

580
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 3: said the four point, three WORD but i don't want to.

581
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: Get that that's That Is calvin, johnson level, you know,

582
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: like Seriously like megatron was six' five two and thirty

583
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: nine pounds and ran a four point three five wearing someone,

584
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: else's track shoes like literally, someone else's. Shoes you know

585
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: so it's like that is like other worldly type of

586
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: athleticism that we should not expect to see. In other

587
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: people like if, we see it, they are outliers but we.

588
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 3: Shouldn't, expect it agreed do not Do Not take calvin

589
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: johnson as what your average wide.

590
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: Receiver Will, Be all.

591
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: Right our next receiver isn't quite the physical type Of,

592
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 3: specialmen as metcalf but a, lot of, people including you

593
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: because he's your number one ranked player and your way too,

594
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: early dynasty rankings think he might just be the best receiver.

595
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: In His class nikhil Harry Out.

596
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: OF arizona, state i mean you watch the guy play

597
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: and he catches anything thrown his. Way pretty much the

598
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: one negative he can kind of bring up though from

599
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: watching his phonem as he doesn't seem to have that

600
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: kind of true field stretching speed that makes the scouts

601
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: double take. At their stopwatches so his forty yard over

602
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: under right now is only four, point six seconds which

603
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 3: seems low for one of the draft. Top wide receivers

604
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: but maybe it's not what do you Think, you're att.

605
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's it's slow, i'll be, honest you know but

606
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: he was a five star recruit. Going into college he

607
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: didn't do anything in college that would make you think

608
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't, have physical capabilities like a like A

609
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: baseline an nfl baseline average. Of physical capabilities he had

610
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: two one thousand. Yard receiving seasons he scored touchdowns, as a,

611
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: receiver a rusher. A punt returner you don't normally see

612
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: wide receivers who were six' four playing some, as a

613
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: punt returner but he did it a little bit and had.

614
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: SOME success doing it i don't think he's going, to

615
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: BE particularly fast but i, think HE'S fast enough and

616
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: i think that gives him something that's faster. Than, FOUR

617
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: point six like i think he will be a low

618
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: end first round pick or high, end second round pick

619
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: and most of those guys end up breaking the, four

620
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: POINT six mark so i expect him.

621
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: To, hit the under yeah Some of these props i've

622
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: seen where it's you kind of have a tough. TIME

623
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: deciding either way i do tend to side with these

624
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: athletes that have pretty much been top five recruits since they.

625
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: WERE in, high school i mean you just know they've

626
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: kind of been getting the best, training throughout their, life

627
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: and you know maybe you can think they've been a

628
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: little more focused on it than the next. Best player

629
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: might be so if you See someone pop and i'm

630
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: one of those top, ten combine freak liists not a

631
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: bad guy to. Take, the under, on yeah all right

632
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: now we'll go over to the defensive. Side of the

633
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: ball first guy definitely has the best name of any,

634
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: cornerback in the draft might even be the best. Cornerback

635
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: In The draft THAT'S. Greedy williams from lsu the only

636
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: kind of, question with him though he's a, great lockdown

637
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: man corner But Is he a? Patrick peterson level freak

638
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: what do you think about? His forty time here the

639
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: over under set of four. Point, three six seconds yeah.

640
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: That is really aggressive and you were the one who

641
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: wrote the piece on him and did, the research On

642
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: him and so i'd like to hear. Your thoughts on

643
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: him but four point three six for a guy, who

644
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: is six'. Three that is pretty, aggressive like those taller

645
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: guys it's just harder for. Them, to run that fast

646
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: now he's one, hundred AND eighty four pounds so i

647
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: would expect that like a shut down man corner who's one,

648
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: HUNDRED and eighty four pounds i would think that that

649
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: guy would have a shot of. Hitting four point thirty

650
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: six the fact that, he's six' three like. THAT that

651
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: just really complicates. It i would bet, THE over and

652
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: then also like i want your sense of his high

653
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: school forty, time versus his college forty time because. There's

654
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: a pretty big discrepancy. There, but what are your thoughts,

655
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: so FIRST thing with.

656
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: The, size what i found. Interesting yeah he's said foot

657
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: three that was the first thing that. POPPED out for

658
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: me As Well I. Looked at a pro football reference

659
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: we've only had six players six foot three or taller

660
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: around forty and four point three six.

661
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: Seconds or.

662
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: Faster over the years pretty Much All, Those Guys, Have Been.

663
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: Taylor may's julio jones calvin johnson, they've been bigger guys

664
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: that way at least. Two hundred ten pounds. OR so,

665
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: we're talking super freaks i, mean you can run that.

666
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: FAST you are a super freak i mean the only

667
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: other guy we've kind of seen do IT Under, two

668
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: hundred pounds was dj shark who was, actually a grease.

669
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 2: Teammate last year and even he.

670
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: Was one hundred ninety nine pounds so if you're, ONE

671
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty four pounds i just think it's tough

672
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 3: to generate how much kind of force, to run that

673
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: fast in general and.

674
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: That's kind, of WHAT we've seen but yeah so i

675
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: was asking. You about these.

676
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: FORTY times earlier the ONE thing i HAVE found is

677
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: i think these espn times are significantly slower than, some, of,

678
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: these other SCOUTING, SERVICES because Yeah according to espn i

679
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: believe williams was clocked at, four point seven in high

680
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: school and, now most, new coaches are saying you know he's.

681
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: Easily in the, Four point threes so you know i'm

682
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: definitely leaning towards the. FOUR point three side of things

683
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: i don't think a cornerback as good as him is

684
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: touching four point seven range. By ANY stretch of the

685
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: imagination and i did see it WITH some other prospects where,

686
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: their espn time was you know five point two for

687
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: alignment and they got down to within a four point eight.

688
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: Four point nine for the combine so it's definitely not

689
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: unheard of the see of these guys, topped there times

690
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: by you know by even a half a second. From

691
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: high School to the draft so so i'm Gonna keep an,

692
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: EYE on but i'm with you i don't.

693
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: Think. He can touch that time.

694
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah so for someone who's six's three to run a,

695
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: four point three six or sorry to run under a

696
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: four point three six like that, is someone, who has

697
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: to have you know like. Quote Unquote kind Of generational

698
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: athleticism and. I'll just i'll bet against that even if,

699
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: he IS a very good cornerback, WHICH i expect him

700
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: to be i think he, WILL be a top five

701
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: selection i still wouldn't expect him. To, Have that kind.

702
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: Of speed yeah i'm with you and this is a

703
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: thing where If maybe we've been hearing about greedy's, generational

704
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: speed ever since high, school from day in day, out

705
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: maybe be a different story but. It's not really been

706
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: the case he's been, known as one great corner everything

707
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: but NOT. Necessarily your biggest freak on lsu that honor might.

708
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: Actually go to, our next guy.

709
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: Oh my.

710
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: GOODNESS looks, AS a pass linebacker i mean i love

711
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: the position more than, any Other And oh my gosh

712
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: like devin white does everything you. WANT a football, player

713
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: to do, i can cover defend the run he can

714
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 3: rush the. PASS through at a high level i mean

715
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: he is the definition. Of a sideline of sideline linebacker

716
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: but the question. IS how that translates to athleticism i

717
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: mean because on film he looks like one of, the

718
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: fastest guys on the field but we don't know if

719
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: that would. Be the case for the combine his forty

720
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: time is over under a, four point five to five

721
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: seconds his.

722
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: Bence press is, at, Twenty four he might pass though?

723
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: WHAT are your. Thoughts on this i like.

724
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: HIM i'm very bullish on him, i think, he will be.

725
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: SELECTED you know, maybe top ten i would say. Certainly

726
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: top half of the draft he should be the first.

727
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: Off ball linebacker off, the board he's a physical freak,

728
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Just in terms of his athleticism, he's like two and

729
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: forty pounds but he. Can run like, a running back

730
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: in high school he was timed, at four point four

731
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: to nine and granted he was a little bit lighter than.

732
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: But THAT was timed by lasers so i would expect

733
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: him to be able to. Surpass four point five to five,

734
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: so definitely bullet on him THERE and then on the

735
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: bench i would expect. Him to be very strong there

736
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: so twenty three and, a HALF is the over under.

737
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: AND i, WOULD take the over i mean i don't

738
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: really have ANYTHING to say there about, why i would

739
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: Take The over just except like i'm i'm expecting like

740
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: peak athleticism from him and. Just the way he plays

741
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: like he is a, very JUST a very strong player

742
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: so i would think twenty four. Is, Something that's possible.

743
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: FOR him yeah i'm with you i couldn't find, much

744
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: on his bench, press history but someone that explosive. It's hard,

745
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: To not back that and yeah i'm happy he said

746
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: laser because a lot of these forty times you just

747
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: kind of see a list at The. BOTTOM of, recruiting

748
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 3: profile for white i, mean he went to the opening

749
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: which is pretty much the biggest high school kind of

750
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: event you can go to ran a four to four

751
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: nine laser forty.

752
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: And he got, the fourth longest power ball throw which

753
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: is kind of their.

754
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: Replacement for the bench press there so we know, the

755
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: GUY as strong as hell and i thought it was

756
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: worth noting that he was around two forty two to fifty.

757
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 3: POUNDS in, high school as well i mean this isn't

758
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: a situation where we got to kind of. Wonder about

759
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: a big weight change he's more or less just CHISELED.

760
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: Out Since he's been at. Lsu so I'M with, you

761
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: there this is i mean if you're going to pound some,

762
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: props and root on an.

763
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: Athlete it. Might be, Definite White, all right.

764
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: Next player nick bosa arguably the best, overall player in

765
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: the Entire, Draft especially, in my hometown columbus ohio opinion only.

766
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: Played three games his senior Year that's all we needed

767
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: to he had. To undergo sports turning of surgery but

768
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: the guy did so much. During his initial years on campus,

769
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: Everyone knows how good he is but the question is

770
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: can he Be, More ATHLETIC than his brother joey because

771
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: i don't know if there's a more controversial Player In

772
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 3: that draft class than joey bosa seemed like he started

773
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: off as kind of the consensus Number One, prospects like

774
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: his brother nick bosa but, then a rough com you

775
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: know it didn't exactly help him out. Throughout the rest of,

776
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: the PROCESS end, up going third but i mean It

777
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: was a rough stretch for joey and even He kind

778
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: of went out on. Twitter, And, was confused by it

779
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: so matt do you See a similar thing happening with

780
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: nick or maybe underwhelms? A, LITTLE bit, AT the combine.

781
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: No i mean i think he's going to, BE pretty

782
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: solid and right now i think. HE'S the, CONSENSUS number one,

783
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: prospect i mean i should say, LIKE the defensive line

784
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: in general i think is. The strength of this draft class,

785
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: so there should be you know a few players to

786
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: really keep. An eye On, at the, combine but for

787
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: bosa you know he's a big, guy just kind of in,

788
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: general but for an edge rusher he is a, little

789
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: bit on the smaller side like he'd maybe like some

790
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: guys can maybe be like two seventy, Something like he's two,

791
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: sixty three like. He's big enough but he's not, he's,

792
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: not huge where you think oh. This guy, can't run

793
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: the forty that said the forty isn't really all that important.

794
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: For edge, rushers and defensive linemen you know people talk

795
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: about like bend with edge rushers, and like how important

796
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: that is and different numbers like the three cone drill

797
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: tends to be a, little more significant, for edge rushers

798
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: and you know kind, of like explosive type of drills

799
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: like the. Vertical jump of the, broad jump but for

800
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: the forty his over, under his four point sixty five

801
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: which for a guy who is sixty four and, two

802
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three. POUNDS that Would be pretty, fast

803
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: I think bosa is explosive but, I DON'T think he's

804
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: particularly fast like i don't think that. Is necessarily like his,

805
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: strong suit he's a. Very good like versatile edge rusher

806
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean. That he has to be fast he

807
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: can still, have good ATHLETICISM without being fast and so

808
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: i would, Expect him to hit the over like four

809
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: point sixty five is just. A really aggressive mark, in,

810
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: general i would expect him though to hit, the over

811
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: on his. Bench press which is twenty four just, a

812
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: very strong guy in general and defensive linemen of his

813
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: size have generally. Been able TO surpass that mark so

814
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: if i had. TO take a shot on him i. Would,

815
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: do it with, bench press.

816
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah good points there especially like. Where you're saying forty

817
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: yard dash these defensive linemen are almost never in their

818
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: entire career going to run forty yards in. A Straight

819
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: Line on the field as Action Network's own, resident offensive

820
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: lineman jeff schwartz said his top three drills went evaluated

821
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: line play are the ten yard split in the forty

822
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: to kind of see how fast, they get out of

823
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: the gate along with the short. Shuttle and the three.

824
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: Cone drill so good points there the next edge Rusher We're.

825
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: Going, to look at. Josh allen no.

826
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: Not the quarterback we're talking about kentucky's defensive end did

827
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: himself a big time favor.

828
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: By coming, back.

829
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: As a senior YOU know Really excelled in the sec

830
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: at kentucky showed a little bit more ability. To potentially

831
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: play off the ball but he's getting drafted as a

832
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: potential top ten pick because of his. Ability to get after,

833
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: the passer, the only question Is You know he's not

834
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: your nick bosa's thirty. Defensive end type of defensive end,

835
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: he's a lengthier. Six foot four six foot five in

836
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: the two hundred thirty to, Two, andund and fifty pound

837
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: range matt how do you think he'll test out in

838
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: the forty yard?

839
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: Dash, and in the bench press, well.

840
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: Just as a side Note Can you imagine if quarterback

841
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: josh allen had returned for his senior season and we

842
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: were in this scenario with the Draft Where like there

843
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: are two josh allen's who were. Like, going in the

844
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: top five oh That would.

845
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 3: Absolutely Be A prop BET's say which josh allen is drafted. Higher,

846
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: and probably be even odds yeah it would have.

847
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Been. A Prop Bet, for sure yeah, so josh allen

848
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: as you Mentioned A, little bit lighter than nick bosa

849
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: and you see that reflected in, the over under fors forty,

850
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: times which is FOUR point six which is still i Think,

851
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: pretty AGGRESSIVE for someone like alan who i think is

852
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: probably more like four. POINT sixty five four point, seven

853
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: i think he's very dynamic but he was a Two.

854
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: Star recruit who transferred into kentucky like those guys just

855
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: tend not, to have a lot of speed and he

856
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a late bloomer just in

857
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: terms of, his DEVELOPMENT as a pass rusher which i

858
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: think means that he probably wins, more with technique than

859
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: he does. Which JUST like overwhelming athletic ability so i

860
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: would expect him to be, slower than four point. Six

861
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: seconds but he's over under for the bench press. IS

862
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: twenty two and a half i would expect him to

863
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: be able to. Surpass, That just given.

864
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 3: HIS size yeah i'm with you i thought that forty

865
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: yard dash was a little bit high for, someone as

866
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: big as he is and that bench press number is a.

867
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: Bit low, in that same, vein all right last defensive

868
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: Line We're. GOING to look at rashaan gary, i talked

869
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: before about you know you want to target those guys

870
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: That are listed. On the Top Combine. Freak list this

871
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: is rashauan gary he was number one player. IN the

872
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen recruiting class i mean he's been on everyone's

873
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: radar for. Pretty, much the last half decade Man it

874
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: wasn't quite as dominant, michigan as, people would have liked but,

875
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: look he.

876
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: Was getting double.

877
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: Team triple team the guy's legit he's, gonna be a

878
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: first round pick but he can be a top ten pick.

879
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: If he blows up his combine the biggest thing to

880
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: keep in mind with him here is we're gonna talk

881
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 3: about some lofty props and this guy is six. Foot

882
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: five and tw, Eighty, pounds well he can move Matt what?

883
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 3: Are your thoughts on gary's props.

884
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: And he he is physically impressive and he's been that,

885
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 1: Way since he was a recruit like people have known

886
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: that he's just like he's a known entity as someone who.

887
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: Is just like an, amazing athlete and the thing is

888
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: his athleticism has never really translated into a lot of

889
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: on filled production and, there are ways to. You know

890
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: to account for it he was getting double. Teamed and

891
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: triple teamed a lot he didn't move. Around the defensive

892
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: line a lot there are questions about because of the

893
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: size he's. Sixty five two and eighty pounds. Sometimes he

894
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: was an edge rusher sometimes he was playing, on the interior.

895
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: As you know a defensive tackle so there are questions

896
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: about what is HE? Going TO do in the nfl

897
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: and i think what happens at the combine will probably

898
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: dictate how it is that teams think about. How they,

899
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: want to use him but man his his over under

900
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: for the, forty is four point sixty five which even

901
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: admitting that this is a guy. Who had a world

902
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: CLASS athleticism there is no way i am taking the

903
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: under on a guy who is two hundred and eighty

904
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: three pounds to go. Under four point sixty five seconds

905
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: like there's just like he might, he might, be a

906
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: great athlete you know but he could still be a

907
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: great athlete and not. Get Four point Sixty five seconds

908
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: so i'm just i'm going to bet against the outlier

909
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: if he. Hits four point sixty five seconds he is

910
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: one of THE, most athletic, players in the nfl you,

911
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: know like just entering the league, one Of the most

912
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: athletic players and i'm just not going to bet, on

913
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: someone being a top three top FIVE. Type, OF athlete

914
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: in the nfl yeah i.

915
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: Think that's, a real fair take and look that number

916
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: does come from evidence that we Got a couple of

917
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: years ago michigan when we were talking about these Some

918
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: teams hold spring workouts and gary post is a four

919
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: point five to seven Forty yard Dash, according to the

920
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: university of michigan which.

921
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: Was faster than all their.

922
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 3: Running Backs at that same events so i'm a little

923
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: bit curious about how how that. Line can, possibly be

924
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 3: that high as well the only people since two thousand

925
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: that have weighed at least two undred and seventy five

926
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: Pounds And broken that number are will smith who Got

927
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: A four point six and margus hunt who.

928
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: Got a, FOUR point, six Too so.

929
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah i, mean maybe gary can do it but he's

930
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: going to be entering verified territory if he does any

931
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: thoughts on.

932
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: His, BENCH before WE move ON.

933
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: Oh i mean i. Would i would expect, the over it's,

934
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: thirty point five which is aggressive, like that's a very respectable,

935
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: number but at the same time like this, is someone

936
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: who is very strong who had the versatility to play,

937
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: all over at the defensive line and as you, pointed

938
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: out in his right up he had, twenty six, reps

939
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: as a freshman you, know and he's. ADDED some weight

940
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: added some strength i would expect him to.

941
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: Be.

942
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: Able to go over thirty yeah.

943
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: Always interesting with these super athletes something the forty time

944
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: is pretty much historically. Amazing level, the bench fest time it's,

945
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: LIKE if he gets thirty one, i, think people, are gonna,

946
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: say oh good job you know but if, he runs

947
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 3: a four to six.

948
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: People would, be losing, their minds so yeah all right.

949
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 3: That's it for our player props but we're not done

950
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: yet because, we got two more Miscellaneous Props. First of,

951
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: Which Run rich run every year rich eisen runs a

952
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 3: Forty Yard Dash Donates. Money to saint jude's children's hospital everyone.

953
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 3: Else should go do, the same, it's a fantastic charity

954
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: fantastic concept and he does a. Great job raising money

955
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: for that but we're gonna try to raise some money.

956
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: For ourselves also with this because.

957
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: We CAN bet on it people so i spent far

958
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 3: too Much Time deciphering just how good. Rich eisen, is

959
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: at running forties this week his fastest ever. Is, Five

960
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: point nine four seconds now i've seen over, unders this

961
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: week at six seconds in at. FIVE point nine to

962
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: five seconds, i can tell you right now if you,

963
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: Get Five point nine to five. Rich eisen will not

964
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: beat that he is running slower. Than five point nine

965
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: five seconds you. Can mark that on the board he's

966
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 3: had nine runs since he. Went away from the dress

967
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: shoes the average has, been six point zero five seconds

968
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: and only three of. Those Runs have broke six seconds

969
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: so i'm inclined to, take over six seconds as well

970
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: but especially. Over five point nine five seconds last year

971
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: he was, at FIVE point, nine to seven so i

972
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: mean it's not like he hasn't broken the six. Second

973
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: BARRIER in, a few years but i mean if you're

974
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: going under, a five Point nine to five you're predicting.

975
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: Rich to, just completely ball out and look he did

976
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: say on his television. Show he's been, taking this seriously

977
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: he's been training. Really Working on, The, get out but.

978
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry RICH you're agent man you know i, Don't

979
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: think you can do it. So, hope you prove it

980
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: wrong yeah.

981
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: Five point ninety five. IS ludicris it is very aggressive

982
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: i would. Easily bet the over on that the one

983
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: thing that does give me, some pause, about, six, is

984
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: that you know like yeah as you mentioned, in the

985
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: quote unquote footwear era he does, have a six point

986
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: oh five. But he has gotten progressively faster so over

987
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: the past five years. He's averaged just around a six

988
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: over the past three years it's, been five point nine

989
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: to eight and then last year he did. Have A

990
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: five point ninety seven. So i think he is training.

991
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: He DOES take it as seriously someone i think can,

992
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: take something, That is a, joke, You know but the

993
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: six LIKE i'll pass at that because i can't see how,

994
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: he how he would beat it because he has beaten.

995
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: It into the, past three years but uh yeah, if,

996
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: It's five point ninety five. Easily i'm taking the over there.

997
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: Six seconds is definitely the right line. For this, great

998
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: and charitable competition all right.

999
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: Our last prop of the day, if you guys Like

1000
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: College basketball you surely saw zean Williams and burst. OUT

1001
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: of his nikes last week I was lucky, enough TO

1002
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: fade duke that night so i felt pretty good about my.

1003
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: Bed about minute into. The game so, good news there

1004
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: and guess what we can keep betting on that event

1005
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: because there is a prop where you can pretty much

1006
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: bet what A prospect burst out of their Nike shoes

1007
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: This week at the combine matt are we gonna see?

1008
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: History, Happened twice in one week.

1009
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: No so these these ARE the types, Of props that

1010
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: i live for like these exotic types of props where,

1011
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: people like they're they're very topical like they're based on something.

1012
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: That LIKE just kind of happened so i think people

1013
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: tend to they tend to have. These biases that lead

1014
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 1: them astray so like there's, recency bias that plays into

1015
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: this there's, Selection bias that plays into this like if

1016
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: this HAD recently happened. With like a d two Athlete

1017
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: maybe people would notice, on, twitter, and it'd be like.

1018
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh whoa what a freak accident but because it happened

1019
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: with the guy who's going to be the, number one,

1020
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: draft pick THIS summer, you know in the nba draft

1021
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: people are going to kind of give. This more weight than, they,

1022
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: should but the odds Are like so will? It, player's

1023
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: nike shoe, Break, apart yes plus. Six hundred no minus one,

1024
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: thousand so that minus one, thousand based on the imply

1025
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: probability suggests that there's a ninety point nine percent chance

1026
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: that someone's nikeshoe, won't blow out at, The combine which

1027
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: just seems absurd like this isn't the type. Of thing

1028
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: that happens. Every day it hardly ever happens and it's

1029
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: not as if all of these Guys are, Going to

1030
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: be wearing nikes anyway like a number of them are, going,

1031
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: to be wearing other brands right and then like this

1032
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: happened with. A basketball player wearing BASKETBALL shoes the only

1033
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: other time i Found Something like this happening, was manu

1034
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: genobi in, Twenty fourteen and then Before Him calvin in

1035
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: the movie like mike, In, two thousand and two right like.

1036
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: Notice the trend all BASKETBALL players there's, just something different

1037
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: i think about like the motions that a, Basketball player

1038
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: makes on the court like those are different than what

1039
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: we're going to be, seeing out of, prospects wearing cleats

1040
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: RUNNING on. Turf YOU know what i mean so i,

1041
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: Think EASILY bet no on this like i would. Bet

1042
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: THIS to, minus two thousand like i mean, Like IF

1043
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: money weren't an issue like i would literally. Bet this

1044
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: to MINUS five. Thousand you know what i mean it's

1045
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: just like. But it's, it's not worth it but yeah

1046
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: like as something, To TO track. JUST for fun easily

1047
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: i would i. WOULD bet, the know on this i

1048
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: mean do you? HAVE thoughts on props like.

1049
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: This I just wanted to point out i thought the

1050
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: best part of your breakdown on this was the point

1051
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: That it. HAS to, Be a nike shoe i mean

1052
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: i'm just imagining this scenario where a guy blows out,

1053
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: of the shoe with the combine everyone waits For a

1054
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: close Up and. Begetting ADIDAS shoe, and, better's wild but

1055
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: i mean yeah we'll see if Anyone Joins, the Hollowed,

1056
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: group of Zion. Williamson, monuging oli and, lil bow wow but.

1057
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: Oh man it'd be something else i'm almost rooting for it.

1058
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: To happen again just this. Year how, CRAZY that would

1059
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: be but man i usually it's tough for me with

1060
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: my minute bank roll. RIGHT now to really consider anything i.

1061
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: Think Minus one thousand, and, nine but i'm with, YOU

1062
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: man if money was limitless i bet. This, up to

1063
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: minus five thousand really. You, couldn't put it high enough.

1064
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah it's it's so the weird thing is you're put

1065
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: in this situation where you're, rooting on, Literally nothing to

1066
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: happen you know and like that's how it is with

1067
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: these like oh? Will a combine, Record Be broken it's

1068
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: like no like i'm just going to bet basically no.

1069
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: On some freak thing Not happening but that means that i'm,

1070
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: basically rooting on nothing to happen which is kind of like.

1071
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: A very, boring place to be you know it doesn't make.

1072
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: Sweating something that you actually do like you're just like

1073
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: staring at, the combine watching these guys run sweating, something

1074
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: that isn't LIKELY to. HAPPEN you know what i mean.

1075
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: I think, you're, looking at this wrong man like and

1076
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: every step a player takes that they, don't burst out

1077
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: of their shoes.

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Speaker 2: You can, BE cheering for them so. Yeah i see what.

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Speaker 3: YOU'RE saying, when they're, this absurd i mean, it's like

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Speaker 3: if it does happen you're gonna be the one guy that's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of upset about it happening but, that's, What, Makes

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Speaker 3: gambling's so great right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah i'm gonna end. Up throwing stuff in my office

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Speaker 1: my wife is, gonna come downstairs. And be like What's

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Speaker 1: Going on it's like for shan gary just, to, he

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Speaker 1: just tore his? Shoe like What does that mean it means,

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Speaker 1: i've lost, Literally tens of dollars you know so just be.

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Speaker 3: Expecting like some terrible family News now it was just

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Speaker 3: a michigan defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 2: Burst, Out Of his nikes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah okay so ian, as MORE combine props are, released

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Speaker 1: and i would expect this. Some more properly will be

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Speaker 1: released we will be writing those up with the regular amount.

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Speaker 1: Of due, diligence that, they require but anyway so yeah

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Speaker 1: everyone be sure To Keep an eye out at action,

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Speaker 1: network for all of those pieces and then of course

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Speaker 1: be sure to Keep an, ear out for our alliance

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Speaker 1: podcast which will, be coming out later this week But

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Speaker 1: For This episode of the Action network info Podcast? That is,

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Speaker 1: going to do it please, Rate, interview, the show. On iTunes,

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Speaker 1: SUBSCRIBE Unsubscribe And Resubscribe, For Ian. I am matthew friedman.

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Speaker 1: MATTETH oracle see, again next episode, i told him spoke

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Speaker 1: to him