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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today in the show, we've got Adam Hayes,

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Speaker 1: big buck Killer from Ohio, and we're running him through

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Speaker 1: the what would you Do gauntlet, posing him some of

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Speaker 1: the most difficult deer hunting scenarios and seeing how he'd

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Speaker 1: handle it. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by First Light, and today we are

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Speaker 1: continuing our series of what would you Do episodes. Now

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Speaker 1: you're probably familiar with this format. Now we started last summer,

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Speaker 1: we did a handful last year, We've kicked off a

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Speaker 1: few more this year, and now for the month of August,

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Speaker 1: I want to do a four week run of these

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Speaker 1: leading into opening Days for so many people because I

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Speaker 1: think this format, in which we pose hypothetical scenarios to

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Speaker 1: would deal with him, I think it gives us a

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Speaker 1: different level of insight. It gives us a different view

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Speaker 1: least for myself, I'm finding particularly interesting and fun I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping that's the case for you guys. And our guest

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Speaker 1: better view into because of the kind of unbelievable success

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Speaker 1: he has. This is Adam Hayes. Of course, he's the

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Speaker 1: host of Team two hundred TV. He's been on UH

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Speaker 1: many other shows like white Tail Addictions. He is the

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Speaker 1: UH he runs the moon Guide Company app product all

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. He's been targeting big mature white

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Speaker 1: And you know, whether or not you care about inches,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's something that anyone has to care about.

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Speaker 1: But if that's your thing, that's cool. But I think

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Speaker 1: regardless of two hundred or twenty inches, what Adam has

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Speaker 1: done is he's found a way to find in target

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Speaker 1: that's something that can be applicable to you whether you're

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Speaker 1: So that's the kind of stuff I wanted to learn

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Speaker 1: from Adam. Today, we're gonna give him a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of different questions, a whole bunch of different specific scenarios,

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Speaker 1: and see how he would handle them. I also brought

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Speaker 1: on a guest host today. I brought my guy, Tony

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Speaker 1: Foundations podcast on Tuesdays, which I hope you were listening

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Speaker 1: to because they're really freaking good. But I also want

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Speaker 1: to bring Tony on for some of these what would

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Speaker 1: you do episodes because he's got, you know, all sorts

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Speaker 1: So today Tony and I are gasking Adam what he

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Speaker 1: we've got Adam Hayes. Adam, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: Good to be here, man, I appreciate the invite. How

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Speaker 1: is very, very profound right now, how about you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: on a completely different farm, trying to pick up on

428
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: a deer or find you get a look at a

429
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: buck that's spanished. I mean, I'm I'm not gonna be

430
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: sitting at home on the couch because it's not a

431
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: good own day or because the weather is not right.

432
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be out there at least scouting

433
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: and observing, but I'm not going to go in and

434
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: put all that effort into the finding those spots and

435
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: for're gonna pick buck out and I'm not gonna go

436
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: in there and try to kill them until everything's in

437
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: my favor. So I think that's the biggest difference between

438
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: me and other guys. Let the other guys burn up

439
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: their spots and push the deer out and let the deer,

440
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: you know, pick up on what they're doing and pattern

441
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: them and you know, also wide and when time is right,

442
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: in the right spot and kill them. Yeah. Now, in

443
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: our past conversations, we spend a lot of time talking

444
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: about like what you think those right conditions are that

445
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: you wait for. But for the sake of those people

446
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: that maybe didn't hear those, can you just give me

447
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: the really click quick, like one minute overview of the

448
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: key things that you're waiting for that they're going to

449
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: tell you, like, Okay, now is the time to leave

450
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: the long distance observation stand and going for the kill? Well, yeah,

451
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's the battle is is trying to figure

452
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 1: out what a big deer is gonna do before he

453
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: does it. You know, there are scouting and stand placement

454
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: and all that. It's, you know, playing that chess match,

455
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where you need to be the killing.

456
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: But before I go in, there's a few things that

457
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: that I want to have in my favor. And you know,

458
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: any of these factors can get a big deer up

459
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: and moving during daylight. You know, everybody, everybody think everybody

460
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: will agree you know, the weather is probably the most

461
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: important thing. You know, a great weather pattern, parametric pressure,

462
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: high pressure, cold front, it's probably you know, you know,

463
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: the key to everything. Um, a perfect wind direction for

464
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: the deer you're hunting. You know, that was one of

465
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: the big things for me to change my success drastically,

466
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: was when I quit hunting winds that were good for

467
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: me and I started hunting winds that were good for

468
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: the deer. I was after. You want to give a

469
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: mature deer the wind to his advantage so that he

470
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: feels offerable enough to get up and move before dark.

471
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: Because nine times out of ten, a big deer that's

472
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: been around five or six years, he ain't gonna move

473
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: before dark anyway most of the time. But on those

474
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: nights that he's gonna move a little bit early, it's

475
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: usually because a couple of these factors line up, and

476
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: one of them in particular, is going to be a

477
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: wind to his you know, to his advantage. So the wind,

478
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: the weather, and the moon. Um, I've just followed the

479
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: moon for way too long to disregard it. It's it's

480
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: a factor that affects the animals, and you know, everybody

481
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: knows fishermen serious fishermen have followed the moon forever. I've

482
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: done my own research for the last twenty years, you know,

483
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: paying attention to it and watching deer, and it affects

484
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: all dear, and it really affects mature dear because those

485
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: deer just an't look here in daylight that often. But

486
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: when I've seen the move, it's happened too many times.

487
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: They're there, are moving on this red moon. And like

488
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: I said, any of those three factors can trigger an

489
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: animal to move during daylight. What I'm looking for is

490
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: when you get those evenings where two or three of

491
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: those factors line up, that's when stuff starts getting bloody.

492
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, when you line up multiple factors, you've got

493
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: a perfect wind for that deer to feel comfortable enough

494
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: to get up and move before dark. You throw a

495
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: great weather pattern on where you've got a cooler temperatures,

496
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: you've got high bear metric pressure, maybe you had a

497
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: storm comes through or just blow out. You know, some

498
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: weather pattern it's gonna increase activity. And then you combine

499
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: one or two of those on top of one of

500
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: the evenings where that red moon and the gravitational pool

501
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: is naturally pushing those deer to get up and feed

502
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: when they want to normally feed anyway. I mean, that's

503
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: that's what I'm looking for, and that's what I'm talking

504
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: about when I'm saying I'm trying to stack the deck

505
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: in my favor. I want everything, every natural factor to

506
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: influence that gear to get up a move just a

507
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: little bit early. Mm hmm. Yes, that kind of drones

508
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: strike approach. You you put all the pieces together, you

509
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: narrow down your field of view until you know the

510
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: best possible to place, and then you wait till the

511
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: targets right there or at least the absolute best chances

512
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: of it with all those conditions, and then you take

513
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: that one surgical strike. Um. I love it when those

514
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: things line up that way too. Now, Tony, what what

515
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: do you what do you think? And do you want

516
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: to press more on this or do you want to

517
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: pivot to another hypothetical on your end? Because I'm curious

518
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: what's going on in your head right now? I wanna

519
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: I want to revisit, go back to the wind direction

520
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: being right for them, because this is this is something

521
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: we get asked about a lot too. And I know

522
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: you know Adam mentioned that when you figured that out,

523
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of changed his perspective on everything, and I can't.

524
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: I had a light bulb moment like that years ago

525
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: with Bucks on on a specific spot on a ridge

526
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: where the wind there there was one spot to set up,

527
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: but there's a little juke in the ridge with a

528
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of a ravine wash out there that just had

529
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: to take them just outside of like the real comfort

530
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: zone for traveling with the wind. And that was like

531
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: the spot on the spot. And I realized when I

532
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: would see Big Bucks there, it was because the wind

533
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: was so good for them they were confident to move.

534
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: But I had one little spot that I could get

535
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: into a tree where it was also really good for

536
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: me blowing out over this valley. And I think this

537
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: is this is kind of a confusing topic for people

538
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: because if you say the winds perfect for the deer,

539
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: they think, well, I can't play it then, Like, obviously

540
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: the advantages there, but this is kind of like a

541
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: little current seam in a smalley river or something where

542
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: there might be one little spot somewhere where the wind

543
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: doesn't give them the advantage. And I kind of want

544
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: Adam to break that down a little bit more because

545
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: I think this is such an important thing for deer

546
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: hunters to really understand. Yeah, it is, and that that

547
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: that little spot you're talking about, as I call a

548
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: weak spot. You know, it's a spot where you can

549
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: actually get within bow range of a deer on his

550
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: normal travel pattern while he's using the wind to his advantage,

551
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: but he can't win jo. I mean, most of my spots,

552
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, my kill spots, if you want to call

553
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: him Matt, are spots where you know you're virtually splitting

554
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: hairs with the wind. You know that that wind goes

555
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: off track, you know, ten or twenty yards one way

556
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: or the other could be game over. You know, I'm

557
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: constantly splitting hairs because it's not an easy thing to

558
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: do or to find where you can get, you know,

559
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: within bow range of Buckwick when he's actually using that wind.

560
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're masters at that, and it's you know,

561
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: it really is splitting hairs. And you know, I was

562
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: Onyx has completely changed the game for me too, because

563
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, when every time you're going out and looking

564
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: for those killer win scenarios where you know that Buck

565
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: is using the wind to his advantage and you know,

566
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: just ten yards one weather, he could pick you off.

567
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta do everything you can do eliminate

568
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: your scent. And if God, I honestly believe that, if

569
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: guys aren't taking advantage of what's available out there, especially

570
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: with those onyx these days, you're missing the boat because

571
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: it's it was a game changer for me. I I

572
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: thought it was a gimmick at first. And I mean,

573
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm carrying enough stuff into the woods between my hunting

574
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: gear and filming and cameras and camera arms because I

575
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: filmed myself most of the time, I'm not going to

576
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: carry something else into the woods. But I don't have to.

577
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: And if I don't believe that it works, you know,

578
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: I just don't need to carry something else out with me.

579
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: And you know, when you're constantly in those situations where

580
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: you're splitting here is on wind direction, you've gotta you've

581
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: got to use something like that because you might only

582
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: get one chance at it. And now throw throw into

583
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: the equation the other dear that you're going to see

584
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: before something like that happens. You know, the does and

585
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: the immature box and everything else, the other animals that

586
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: you've got to beat before that big one moves um

587
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you just gotta like it goes

588
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: back to the same thing. You gotta stack the deck

589
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: in your favor with every possible thing that you can,

590
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: and that's just another piece of the puzzle. Yeah, yeah,

591
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: you know you bring up one of my biggest challenges

592
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: on some of my local Michigan properties where there's a

593
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: very high deer density, is that I can find these

594
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: spots where I think the buckham after is going to

595
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: come through, and where I think I've got that weak

596
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: spot where the wind will be, you know, right enough

597
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: for both of us. But there's so many damn does

598
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: that are going every which way that there's there's almost

599
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: nowhere I can get to ever where there won't be

600
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: does going down wind of me. And so it's this,

601
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: it's it's constantly trying to find some way to avoid

602
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: that problem where you know, if you get one dough

603
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: to blow, that's set for the night usually or in

604
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: many cases, so how have you dealt with that? Meant

605
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: that makes finding those um those weak spots that much

606
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: more important, you know, like Coney was talking about, he's

607
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: found that one little spot where you know, it's it's

608
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: the winds good for the deer, but they can't win

609
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: him and you know, you find I find it in

610
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: some of the weirdest places. I'll never forget. I'd know

611
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: this older gentleman that's you know, been hunting longer than

612
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: I've been alive, and he told me one time, he said, Adam,

613
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: if you've gone more than a hundred yards from your truck,

614
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: you probably went too far. And that has proven right

615
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: every year. And you know, with with big deer, they

616
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: find these out of the way spots that you just

617
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't think about. And sometimes it's you know, it's close

618
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: to buildings, are close to a road, or just just

619
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: different spots that most guys wouldn't pay attention to. But

620
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: it creates scenarios where you can use you know, I

621
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times I walked right down

622
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: the road and then just jumped right into a tree

623
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: right off the road. You know, you know, obviously paying

624
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: attention to how far you've got to be off the

625
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: road when you're hunting, but spots that you're able to

626
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: access without tipping off any any of the you know,

627
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: deer in the area, and then having the wind, your

628
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 1: wind blowing out into a spot that deer just can't

629
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: get down wind of you. I mean, you really sometimes

630
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: you really got to put some thought and effort into

631
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: finding those spots. But you gotta find those spots where

632
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: you know, they just they can't get your wind. They

633
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: just can't no matter what they do. And especially in

634
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: a high dear tonsit area like you're talking about, you know,

635
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: back yourself up to a cliff or a road or

636
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: freeway or housing development. I mean, I just got to

637
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: think outside the box. I'm kind of to find those spots,

638
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: but they're out there. They are not easy to find.

639
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: But you know, it happens a lot of times where

640
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: a deer has gotta make a turn in his travel

641
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: route or in an area that he's forced to go through.

642
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's some type of spot where there's

643
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: a you know, down fence or where a fence stops,

644
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: or you know deep ravines, um deep water. I mean,

645
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: just anything that's going to force a deer through an

646
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 1: area where he might have to drop his guard briefly,

647
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: you know. And I've I've found those spots where you

648
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: you can't beat the spot and you can't beat the wind.

649
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: But by the time that buck is into my wind,

650
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: he should already have an are you know, he's blowing

651
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: directly at the spot where I know I need to

652
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: kill him. So you know, by the time he gets

653
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: my wind which directly down winded me, it should be

654
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: too late. I should already have a hero in him.

655
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: So it's I've taken it to that extreme before, just

656
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: because there was no other way around it. Yeah, and

657
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: then just hoping pray that it's not the two year

658
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: old buck that shows up and walks through their first

659
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: and blows everything up right. M hm, So so what

660
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: about this? Then let's let's take that and apply it

661
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: to a situation that Tony and I actually were looking

662
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: at and talking about this spring when we were out

663
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: doing some scouting in Iowa. And and let's say you

664
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: have got a buck you want to shoot, and we're

665
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: in I don't know, late October, and you have watched him,

666
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: You've caught sight of him a couple of times, finally

667
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: stepping out in the back corner of this field. It's October,

668
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: and then for whatever reason he couldn't hunt the next

669
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: day or watching it, he does it again. But as

670
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: you look at the a spot through your bindose, and

671
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: you've looked at the map, this back corner of the

672
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: field is basically like the inside corner of the beginning

673
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: of like a deep cut almost there's steep ridges that

674
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: blow up that come up on either side. So it's

675
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: basically at the bottom of a valley, and there's this

676
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: risk of swirling winds and and and everything that could

677
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: come with being at the bottom of a narrow ravine

678
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: of sorts. What do you do in that situation when

679
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: you go in there and you're facing what many people

680
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: would assume would be a dangerous wind situation. Do you say,

681
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: he was moving here two days in a row in daylight,

682
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: I gotta just take a swing for the fences and try.

683
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: Or do you go in there and you realize, like, Okay,

684
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: there's no way this will work with my wind. I'm

685
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: not gonna hunt it because it's not worth risking him

686
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: winding me. What do you do in that situation? Or

687
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about? Is you try to find

688
00:37:53,920 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: a solution. I'll tell you what, man, things things change

689
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: so frequently during season that I think there's a point

690
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: in time where you just got to be aggressive, you know,

691
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: And I think I probably learned that from you know,

692
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: the most aggressive hunter I've ever met in my life,

693
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Andre Dquisto, that the guy didn't have been a lone

694
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: wolf tree stands. He's the most aggressive hunting guy that

695
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: I've ever met. And now I learned a lot from

696
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: the time I spent with with him hunting and filming.

697
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't consider myself to be an

698
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: aggressive hunter, but there's certain situations. You know, you see it.

699
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: They're making a mistake once, you know, shame on him.

700
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: You watch him do it twice, Shame on you. Now

701
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: you've got there's a point in time where you gotta

702
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: put a stand on your back and dive in and

703
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: try to get it done. And I've I killed one

704
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: of my biggest dear ever doing that exact same thing.

705
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, that was a back corner of the field. Um,

706
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: I watched and come out. You know, the night before

707
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: I knew I had to be in there. I didn't

708
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: have the perfect wind direction. I actually had to walk

709
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: in there with the wind at my back, but my

710
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: wind was blowing straight down um the fence line that

711
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: he was gonna be crossing, instead of blowing back into

712
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: the back into the CRP. And you know, hung a

713
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: stand and watch that deer get up at right before dark,

714
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: at eighty yards away and you know, killed a two

715
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: hundred and eight engineer that night, and didn't really know

716
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: anything about the property other than the fact that that

717
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: buck came out of there the night before, and I

718
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: knew I had to be there the next night. But

719
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: that corn had just come down and he was pushing

720
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: a couple of goas around. I knew I had to

721
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: be in there. So, I mean, you're talking about a

722
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: situation was swirling winds. You know, I'm I'm gonna do

723
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: everything I can to be as sent free as possible.

724
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think using the nose onics in that

725
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: situation is going to help tremendously. I had kind of

726
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: that same sence scenario I found myself in a couple

727
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: of years ago on an elk hunt. You know, we

728
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: were hearing this bull scream in the afternoon, and we

729
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: kept getting closer and closer and closer, and he was

730
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: up on this ridge and closer we got, we got

731
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: right to the edge of where you know, two hills

732
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: came down into this field and we were right up

733
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: against it, and I just felt like it was one

734
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: of those deals where my wind was swirling, and even

735
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: though I was where I thought I needed to be,

736
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: I knew if if that bull came down through there,

737
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: that chances are he is going to pick us off.

738
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: So we just backed up a hundred yards towards you know,

739
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: the wind wasn't swirling as much, and ended up shooting

740
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: that bull later that evening, you know, because he came

741
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: out into that pasture and started chasing cows around. And

742
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: if if if I would have stayed right there, it

743
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: was a wild because we right where we were standing,

744
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: right where all the cow showed up, and they milled

745
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: around those trees where we were at for half hour,

746
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: and there's no way that they would not have picked

747
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: us off right there if we just stayed right there.

748
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: But I just knew it was not I was not

749
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: in a good situation and backed up hunder yards and

750
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: ended up working out. Maybe that's the scenario, is you

751
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: know where he's coming out at. Do you know where

752
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: he's going? You know, is he's just gonna come out

753
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: in the middle of that field and feed. Is there

754
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: a water source he's heading to? Maybe backing up a

755
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: little bit to where you think that deer might be

756
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: going or what direction instead of being right on top

757
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: of him where you're sawing, Maybe you need to back

758
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: up a little bit and think in your head, where's

759
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: that deer gonna end up going? Or maybe you back

760
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: up a little bit and you stick a decoy out

761
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: to try to get him out of that corner where

762
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: the winds, you know, swirling and not in your in

763
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: your benefit. I mean, you know, sometimes you got do

764
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: stuff on the cuff, you know, and and and react

765
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: to a situation. And you know, it's great to be

766
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: mobile and have the opportunity to bounce around a little

767
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: bit ter go in and do a hanging hunt and

768
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: pick a tree. But just because you see a big

769
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: deer do something one specific area is I mean, you

770
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: have to be right in that spot to kill him.

771
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: And you know, if you've got a bad win situation,

772
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: there's only so many things you can do to control

773
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: your scent, and maybe you just need to think a

774
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: couple of steps beyond that. You know, like I said,

775
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: where that deer is gonna end up, where he's gonna go,

776
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: what you could do to pull him in a different direction. Yeah,

777
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: that's a great point. That's a really good point. Uh, Tony.

778
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: The next pitch is yours? Where do you want to

779
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: take it? Oh? Man, um, I have a hard time

780
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: moving on from some of this stuff. But if you

781
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: really want me to, I will if you want to.

782
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: If you want to, if you want to keep drilling

783
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: in on this scenario, you can. Um I want you

784
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: to take take us wherever your whims are pointing to me. Well,

785
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: so with with Adam, with what you just said there,

786
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: I kind of want to expand on that, because it's there.

787
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: There is all these different strategies, and you've talked about,

788
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, being mobile, observing a ton, waiting for the

789
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: right conditions, and then also bringing up Andre and moving

790
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: in quick on him. But what you're what you're really

791
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: kind of saying, I think with a lot of this stuff,

792
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: is that scenario you just describe there. You know, you

793
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: see one night, you see the your target buck. He

794
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: gets up, he hops offense, he goes in the field here,

795
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: and you go tomorrow, I've got to be there. But

796
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: then you you qualify that by saying, well, but if

797
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: the wind is right and the conditions are right, and

798
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: you've got to think about what he's doing. And I

799
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: think I think that's where we we kind of lose

800
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: ourselves a lot of times as we get sort of

801
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: star struck we see this buck do something. We go

802
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: he walked right by that tree, I have to be there,

803
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: and we force it without thinking about where did he

804
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: come from, where's he going, and and trying to just

805
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: factor in as much of the data as we can

806
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: to make a decision and go, Okay, if I can't

807
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: be there, what's what's the next best scenario instead of

808
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: just kind of talking ourselves into hunting the wrong spot.

809
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I hear from hunters who who

810
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: kind of fall for that a lot, and it's really

811
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: important to have that extra information. Anything you can get

812
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: to do that back up a hundred yards or move

813
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: down here, or get on that pond he's going to.

814
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a thin line between being aggressive

815
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: and you know, being smart and trying to you know,

816
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: sometimes you're just rolling the dice, you know, um And

817
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: one thing is for sure when it comes to hunting

818
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: big gear, nothing has ever you know, definite. I mean,

819
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: it's just things are just changing constantly and you've got

820
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: to be able to adapt to that situation and make

821
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: make your best call. So you know, if the winds bad,

822
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: do you do you roll the dice? Do you stay

823
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: out of the area, Maybe observe it and see what

824
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: he's doing. I mean, you know, it depends on what

825
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: the you know, what the situation is. Are you early

826
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: October where that deer is still going to be on

827
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: a strict feeding pattern for you know, two or three

828
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: more weeks or is it, you know, the first week

829
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: in November, and chances are you know, he's gonna be

830
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: on the dough in the next few days and you're

831
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: not gonna see him again. I mean, there's just so

832
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: many things you've got to take into consideration. And yeah,

833
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: I think that the one thing that a lot of

834
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: guys need to do more of in that situation is

835
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: really just step back and use your brain and think

836
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: about it. You know, think about all the factors, and

837
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, you got

838
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: to make a calculated guests on what you're gonna do.

839
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't think there's any right or

840
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: wrong answer, but I just like to try to gather

841
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: as much information because I can about it, try to

842
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: make an educated guests and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

843
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: But a lot of that, a lot of that comes

844
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: from you know, spending forty years Jason Dear. You know, yeah,

845
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: there's there's a big confidence factor there as far as

846
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: you know, trust in your gut on whether to move

847
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: in or stay out. What about this? What about a

848
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: situation We've talked a bunch of here about what happens

849
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: when you see a buck and you see him do something,

850
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna make a play on him based

851
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: on what you saw. What about the situation where you

852
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: can't see him. So let's say you had a buck

853
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: that you know, identified on a property that you were

854
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: interested in targeting, and then he shows up a time

855
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: or two on trail camera. You know, in September, so

856
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: you know that he's still in the still alive, and

857
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: still somewhere in the general area. But now you know

858
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: it's it's early October. You still have a strong idea

859
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: of where he is or what he's doing. It's mid October.

860
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: I still don't know where he really is. It's not

861
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: obvious where his core areas. He just shows up every

862
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: once in a while, randomly on a camera here, a

863
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: camera there. Now it's late October, it's the last ten

864
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: days of October. It's your favorite time of year to

865
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: kill a specific buck, and this is the buck you want.

866
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: You still can't pin him down, and you've glassed from

867
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: the road, You've said observation stands, and it's just this

868
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 1: occasional random picture here, occasional random picture there. And now

869
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: it's almost the rut. And when the rut hits, of course,

870
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: the deck gets reshuffled again too. What do you do

871
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: now to try to zero in on this deer? It's

872
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: it's it's October and of October and it's about to

873
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: get crazy. What are you gonna do to try to

874
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: find this buck? Or or do you just say, hey,

875
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: this is a buck that's not living on me. I'm

876
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: going to move on to something else. I think the

877
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: worst thing you can do is spen too much time

878
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: in the wrong area. You know, if you know he's

879
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: if you know of a big deer and you can't

880
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: find him, you gotta find him, you know. That was

881
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: that That was another thing I learned, you know, spending

882
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: time with Andre is you've got to be on the

883
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: freshest sign and find those deer because if if you're

884
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: in the wrong spot, you're not doing yourself any favors.

885
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's a matter of putting a stand on

886
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: and sticks on your back and burning a little shoe

887
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: leather and and go and find them. And you know,

888
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: Andre made a career out of doing that and and

889
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: bumping big deer out of their beds and killing them,

890
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, the very next day, because you know he

891
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: would he would always have the wind in his face

892
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: so that a big deer, if he did bump a

893
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: big deer, it wouldn't smell him. He didn't necessarily care

894
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: for a big deer sawing, but he didn't want a

895
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: big deer smelling. And he'd bump a big gear out

896
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: of his bed, he'd have to stand on his back

897
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: and immediately hang that stand. Because his whole theory was

898
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: he would want to be there the very next time

899
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: that deer came back into his bed. Most guys jump

900
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: a big deer there, I'm gonna necessary cool off for

901
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: a few days, come back and hang a stand and

902
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: let it cool off for a few more days, and

903
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: they end up hunting a week or two later, and

904
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: by then that dear has come back smelled that you

905
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: were there, and chances are he's never going to be back.

906
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: Andre wanted to be there the very first time that

907
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: dere came back, whether it was the next day or

908
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: the second or third day, he'd sit there and wait

909
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: for the deer to come back and be there the

910
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: very first time that buck came back to bed in

911
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: that area and killed a lot of giant deer doing that.

912
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: And you know it, a big deer is leaving signed

913
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: behind at that time of the year, especially with scrapes

914
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: and giant rubs, And that's the first that's probably the

915
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: first thing that I'm going to look for. If I

916
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: can't find a deer on afters I'm gonna be looking

917
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: for those giant rubs because they're leaving signed behind somewhere.

918
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: You know, you might you might want to start on

919
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: the field edges. I mean, the betting areas is probably

920
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna be the last place I'm gonna look. You know, look,

921
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: because I really don't want to bust a big deer

922
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: out of his bed. But you know what's the worst

923
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: thing that can happen. You find him and jump him

924
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: out of his bed. Well, you didn't know where it

925
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: was to begin with, you know, so the least you

926
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: know where he was and get an idea of what

927
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: he's doing. I mean, I just I'm not one of

928
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: those guys that's just gonna sit there and just wait

929
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: and hope that that big deer eventually shows up. You

930
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: gotta get out there and find it. Dear, I mean,

931
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: season only lasts for so long and wants the rut

932
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: rolls around. He never know what they're gonna be doing,

933
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: and you know who's hunting them, and if they're they

934
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: end up getting shot. I mean, you gotta you gotta

935
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: do everything you can to find those deer at that

936
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: time of the year. And if you don't know where

937
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: he's at, you better find him because body else is

938
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: probably going to. So when you're doing that specific thing

939
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: which you just described, which is you've got to stand

940
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: on your back and your burn boot leather until you

941
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: find something that tells you, oh yeah, this could be it.

942
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: You mentioned big rubs and scrapes. What's like the threshold

943
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: for you to say, oh yeah, this is it versus

944
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is a random big rub. You know,

945
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: if you you find that first big rub and scrape

946
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: and some good cover, do you say, Okay, that's enough

947
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: or do you need to see one, two, three, four,

948
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: five of these all tight together next to really great

949
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: cover and it's steaming and there's piss still in the scrape,

950
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: Like what level of hot big buck sign do you

951
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: need to see to tell yourself that this is this

952
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: is it, this is where he is. I'm looking for

953
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: multiple big rubs. I mean when you start walking trails

954
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: and field edges and you start finding rubs and scrapes,

955
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: and you're starting to find trees as big as your

956
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: leg that you know, every you know forward your fifty

957
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: yards that are rubbed, you know, and you know there's

958
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: a big one you know working, you know, working that trail.

959
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what I'm looking for. You know,

960
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: it's always great to find a big rub, but when

961
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: you're finding multiple rubs, or you get into a uh,

962
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, a bedding area situation where there's a bunch

963
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: of big rubs and small rubs in an area that

964
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: looks like a big deer spending a bunch of time,

965
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably pretty close to his core area,

966
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, and you just start reading the sign. I mean,

967
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: you find a trail that's got giant rubs on it.

968
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you can tell what direction that deer is

969
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: walking when he made those rubs, and if he's making

970
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: those rubs going back into his bedding area in the

971
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: morning or making him in the evenings, coming from his

972
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: bedding area. I mean, it's just really about reading that

973
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: sign and trying to figure out, you know, what he's doing.

974
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: But when I'm finding multiple, you know, big rubs in

975
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: a in an area like that, that's really what I'm

976
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: looking for. Okay, Now, how in this again, this scenario

977
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: of late October, your target bucks a ghost and very random,

978
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: and you're trying to tighten in on where he's at specifically,

979
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: how do trail cameras, if at all, play into this now?

980
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean we've talked about observing and scouting on foot.

981
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: Are you doing anything unique with your cameras at this

982
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: point to try to pick him up? To I use

983
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: a lot of cellular cameras just so I'm not going

984
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: in and out of these spots to check them, especially

985
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: during season. I mean, the information you can get from

986
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: a cell camera during season is worth its weight in gold.

987
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: So I yeah, I actually run more cellular cameras during

988
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: season than I do regular cameras, just so that I

989
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: can get that real time information, you know. And if

990
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: if I find an area that I think a big

991
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: deer is using, I'm gonna have a cell camera on

992
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: that road line or scrape line to you know, to

993
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: get that information instantly instead of waiting a week and

994
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: going back and checking it. I want to know right now,

995
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: if that's where that deer is at, what kind of

996
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: places are you placing putting those cameras? Is this? Is

997
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: it random at first? And then you take one of

998
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: those he shows up once, and then do you grab

999
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: all of them and then zero them in on that

1000
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: area or do you keep it widely dispersed. Your camera's

1001
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: widely dispersed to observe like all the different places is going.

1002
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm just curious if you if you adjust and slowly

1003
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: get tighter and tighter and tighter in him or or not.

1004
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, I think these big deer

1005
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: these days are picking up on these cameras and men,

1006
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: it seems like every week I talked to somebody else

1007
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: that's got a story about how they got to pick

1008
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: one picture of a big deer and then they never

1009
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: got it again. Or they've set up multiple cameras, you know,

1010
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: a camera on another camera to see how the deer

1011
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: are reacting to it and watching these big gears skirt

1012
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: these cameras and walking around them, or get their picture

1013
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: once and then then they never go by that camera again.

1014
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: So it's one thing to set a camera up on

1015
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: a scrape or a red line and you know something

1016
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: that's gonna stop that deer in its tracks and get

1017
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: a good picture of him. It's another thing to set

1018
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: a camera up, you know, on video mode, to cover

1019
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of a wider area, maybe because you

1020
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: don't know what's coming through there, exactly where is it

1021
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: coming through, just to pick up on the action that

1022
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: you know that um, you might not know exactly what

1023
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: they're doing. So it just depends on the situation. But

1024
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna usually put four or five cameras

1025
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: in the spot if I think there's a big deer

1026
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: moving through there and I'm trying to figure out what

1027
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: try to figure out what he's doing. All very rarely

1028
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: just having one camera for a specific deer. Okay, all right,

1029
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: all right, Uh here's here's a strong pivot, hard pivot

1030
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: from like picking the right location or locating a deer

1031
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: to actually a scenario of what you would do in

1032
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: a tree. So let's say we are now into November

1033
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: and you've been trying to find this buck out but

1034
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: I haven't killed him yet. You're up there you finally

1035
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: see him. You're in this tree November one and you're hunting,

1036
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, back near a dough betting area and

1037
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: this buck shows up. First time. You finally are in

1038
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: a tree and you see this buck you've been trying

1039
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: to kill all year long. But he is out of range.

1040
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: He's cruising across at about sixty yards, and he's not

1041
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: walking away from you. He's not walking towards you. He's

1042
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: kind of walking parallel to you. And at the moment,

1043
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: he's not down wind. But if he continues on his

1044
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: current trajectory, and if he gets another hundred yards or so,

1045
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: he will hit your wind. What do you do in

1046
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: that situation? Do you call to a buck like that

1047
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: and the situation? Do you do nothing and just waiting,

1048
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: wait and see what's gonna happen. Hope becomes closer and

1049
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: I won't kick your wind or would you say he's

1050
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: heading in my wind. I don't want to grunt and

1051
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: have him go closer to down wind. I need to

1052
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: take the shot now at sixty What do you what

1053
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: do you do then? M I killed him at sixty yards.

1054
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: I practice, I practice, I practice out to seventy yards

1055
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: all summer long, mainly for l cutting. But I've killed

1056
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: two or three deer at sixty plus yards. And yeah,

1057
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: with with the equipment and the technology available to hunters

1058
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: these days, if you're not able to kill a deer

1059
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: sixty yards, that you've got nobody to blame but yourself. Honestly,

1060
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm probably the worst shot of anybody that

1061
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: I know. I got the akiest hands in the world.

1062
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: If I can kill a six deer or sixty yards anybody,

1063
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of practice and knowing your equipment

1064
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: and you know, getting dialed in and and you know, practice, practice, practice.

1065
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: But the thing about it, think about shooting distances. It's

1066
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: great to be able to shoot something at sixty or

1067
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: seventy yards, and you know, I'm sure one of these

1068
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: days I won't be able to do it anymore. But

1069
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,959
Speaker 1: as long as I can do it accurately, I'm gonna

1070
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: keep doing it. But practice in at sixty and seventy

1071
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: yards every night makes your close shots a no brainer.

1072
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even think twice about my twenty

1073
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: thirty forty yards shots anymore. I mean, it's it's I

1074
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: hate to say chip shot and knock on wood right now.

1075
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: But it really makes your closer shots just second nature.

1076
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: You know, when you practice at those distances, it just

1077
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: changes the game for you with with your closer shots.

1078
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: I really believe that it's that's what it's done it from.

1079
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: Are there any situations in which you wouldn't take the

1080
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 1: sixty yard shot? Like, if it it was raining, would

1081
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: you take the sixty yard shot? If it was wind

1082
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: would you take the sixty If that buck was on

1083
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: edge because he kind of knew something was going on,

1084
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: would you still take that shot? What about those edge

1085
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: situations and the winds probably the big one. I mean,

1086
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: least they want to do is make a bad shot

1087
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: and a big animal. So normally when it's it's that, Wendy,

1088
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be taking any any long distance shots.

1089
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: But a couple of the deer that I've shot at

1090
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: that distance, you know, I've had to grunt to stop

1091
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: those animals because you definitely don't want to shoot a

1092
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: moving target at that distance. So those animals have been

1093
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: on alert because they heard something because I stopped them.

1094
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: And I think when you're a little further away like that,

1095
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: m h, I think maybe the reaction might be a

1096
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: little bit slower than if you're right on top of them.

1097
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: So I just haven't seen deer react to my bow

1098
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: at that distance like I have, you know, being closer

1099
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: to him. Does that make sense? Yeah, I think so,

1100
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: just because there the sound isn't reaching in the same

1101
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: so quickly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it might be a little

1102
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: less apt to you know, immediately jump the string because

1103
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: you're a little further than that the sound. You know,

1104
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: the sound isn't right on top of him. So usually

1105
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: aim just a little bit lower on a far shot

1106
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: like that anyway, to allow for a little bit of

1107
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: a reaction from a deer. But yeah, I want to

1108
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: be prepared to take a six year, seventy year a

1109
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: shot at a deer if the situation presents itself. I

1110
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: wanna I'm gonna play this scenario out in a worst

1111
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: case way, which I know you're gonna practice and you're

1112
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna do everything you possibly can so that the worst

1113
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: case scenario doesn't happen. But as at least as my

1114
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: history is indicated, and I think most ever, once in

1115
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: a while, worst case scenarios do pop up, and I'm

1116
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: curious to hear how you handle that kind of situation.

1117
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: And I I know you've been in this situation. I

1118
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: know you had this exact same thing happened, So I'd

1119
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: love to understand how you would handle it today. And

1120
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: this situation is this. Let's say you have that buck

1121
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: at sixty yards. It seems perfect, it seems ideal. You

1122
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: take the shot, but that buck moves or something happens

1123
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: and you hit him and you never find him. What

1124
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: do you do? Well? How do you handle that mentally?

1125
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: How do you handle it practically? Like do you do

1126
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: you need to take a couple of days off and

1127
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 1: get your head right or do you go back out

1128
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: the very next morning hunting again? Uh? What goes through

1129
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: your mind and your heart and your soul and your

1130
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: process to recover from that situation? Who? Man, failure is

1131
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: part of bow hunting. I mean, you bow hunt long enough,

1132
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: It's going to happen sooner or later. It's just part

1133
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: of the game. And I'm I believe a hundred percent

1134
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: that you know, in life it is ten percent stuff

1135
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: that happens to you and how you deal with it.

1136
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: And that that might be my age talking, you know,

1137
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: but I think I've I've learned anything. You know, just

1138
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: about everything in life is a mental game, you know,

1139
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: and it's how you deal with it. And you know,

1140
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: I watched a good friend of mine two seasons ago

1141
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: in Kansas said to the world class dear he was hunting,

1142
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, hundred deer, and within a matter of two weeks,

1143
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: both of those deer lost half the racks. How many

1144
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: guys is that can happen to two world class animals?

1145
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: You lose them both in two weeks and in October,

1146
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: most guys are just gonna be in the corner in

1147
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: the fetal position, crying about it. But I mean, you know,

1148
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 1: he kept running his cameras and kept playing the game,

1149
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: and you know, in less than two weeks, the biggest

1150
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: deer of his life that he'd never seen before shows

1151
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: up on camera and he ended up killing that deer.

1152
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 1: Um end of the season and his best season ever.

1153
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: You know, the dealing with the highs and lows of

1154
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: bohneam and you go from one extreme to the next

1155
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: in a matter of hours or days. But one thing

1156
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: is for sure. You know, if you experience a little failure,

1157
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: you you hit a buck and lose them, or the

1158
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: deer you've been watching for five years it gets killed

1159
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: by the neighbor. You know, it doesn't matter what the

1160
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: scenario is, but one thing is for sure. If you

1161
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: quit and give up, nothing positive is going to happen

1162
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: from it. You know, if you don't go hunt and

1163
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: nothing positive is gonna happen, happened, You've got you just

1164
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: got to realize that it's part of the game. You

1165
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: gotta roll with the punches and and know that you know,

1166
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: things could change in a matter of hours. So I mean,

1167
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: you just it's just all about being positive and just knowing.

1168
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: You know from the get gode that you know, if

1169
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: you both want long enough, it's gonna happen. And there's

1170
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that talk about success being

1171
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: built on failure, and you know, the more more you

1172
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: try something and the more you fail out fail at it,

1173
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: it's just you're that much closer to achieving your goaling

1174
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: being successful. So yeah, I guess you gotta put it

1175
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: in a perspective and just realize that, you know, at

1176
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, just about any type of

1177
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: success you're gonna have, is it going to be built

1178
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: on multiple failures. So yeah, you basically got three options.

1179
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, you can you can quit if you fail,

1180
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: you can keep going and keep doing the same things

1181
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: and not learn from the experience and probably keep getting

1182
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: the same results. Or you can you know, think about

1183
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: what happened, adapt to it, change it and try it in. Yeah,

1184
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: it's truly, that's simple. Yeah, that's simple. And and that

1185
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: hard though too, right. It's it's one of those things

1186
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: that is easy to say, yeah, yeah, oh, and it's

1187
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: that's tough when you Yeah, we all put so much

1188
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: effort into hunting and you know, chasing these deer and

1189
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: scouting and practice. So I means for most guys it's

1190
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, year round three and m sixty five days,

1191
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: and then you add the emotion into it and how

1192
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: tore up we all get about it. And then you know,

1193
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: to have the rug pulled out from underneath you and

1194
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: lose a dear, you know, the e h D or

1195
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: another hunter. Just it can take the wind out of

1196
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 1: your sales, that's for sure. But he said, man, it's

1197
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 1: it's the highs and lows of bow hunting. I think

1198
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: that's why we all love it so much, you know,

1199
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: because you just never know what's going to happen, and

1200
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, any amount of failures it just makes that

1201
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: those successes that much sweeter. There's just nothing else like it.

1202
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, stick with it, man, just gotta stick

1203
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: with it. Yes, that's uh, that's the name of the game.

1204
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: That's that's for certain. So it's Tony. I want you

1205
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: to take take the wheel here. Paint a doozy of

1206
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: a scenario for Adam. Take us, Take us somewhere else,

1207
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: because I don't want to linger on the real downer

1208
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: of deer hunting right now. Take us somewhere better. I've

1209
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: I've got a good one for this. I think you

1210
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: know so. Way earlier in the conversation, Adam, you mentioned using,

1211
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe hunters on the neighboring farm or the

1212
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: neighboring properties to your advantage and waiting for those folks

1213
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: to put some pressure on the deer and position them

1214
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: for you. But let's say just let's let's say it's

1215
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: October tenth, October twelve, something like that. You've you've had

1216
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: this buck scouted out. You know, he lives in a

1217
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: certain property, and everything lines up, the moon lines up,

1218
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: the wind lines up. You're like, I'm going in there,

1219
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: this is the night I kill him. As you're walking in,

1220
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: you see a trail camera that's not yours. You get

1221
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: a little farther down the fence line, you look and

1222
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: there's a there's a brand new ladder stand there. And

1223
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: so you text the landowner and he says, oh, yeah,

1224
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: by the way, I let my nephew hunting there. He

1225
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: likes to bow hunt a little bit. How does that

1226
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: change your plans? What? What's your next steps there? You

1227
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: guys aren't gonna give me any softball here area, Nope.

1228
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: So I got a new hunter to deal with all

1229
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: my property. That's a that's a tough one, tough one

1230
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: because you never know what's what another guy is thinking.

1231
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean, and I've had that exact same thing happened

1232
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 1: to me, you know, sitting in a tree stand and

1233
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: here comes, here comes three hunters across the farm that

1234
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: I've had permission by myself for the last, you know,

1235
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: so many years to hunt, and landowner decided to give

1236
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: his buddies at church and their grandson permission to hunt.

1237
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I've gone to having a

1238
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, three acre farm AULTI myself too. Now there's

1239
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: four of us, you know, and they're walking in put

1240
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: the wind at their back, and you know, brand new

1241
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: ladder stand hanging fifty yards from my hang on. And

1242
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a hunter's worst nightmare, especially

1243
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: when you're on a big deer and you've been scouting

1244
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: all year long, and that's enough to ruin your day.

1245
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: M hmm. But I think it kind of goes back

1246
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: to what we talked about earlier, you know, letting, letting

1247
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: other guys make the mistakes and pressure the deer and

1248
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: focusing on, you know, the few factors that are really

1249
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: going to get deer up and moving. I mean, there's

1250
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: only so much you know, we can do as hunters,

1251
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, specially in a situation like that. I mean, what,

1252
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, what really can you do other than to

1253
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: just keep hunting smart and hard. And you know, if

1254
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: I've learned anything over the years, you never want to

1255
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: put all your eggs in one basket because you know

1256
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: you can have that situation happen where you could you know,

1257
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: that deer that you're chasing gets whacked by a car,

1258
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, and he's laying out on the road when

1259
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: you pull up to the farm. I mean, so many

1260
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: different things that can happen. You put all your eggs

1261
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: in one basket. You've got to have them. You know,

1262
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: a plan being a plan. See, I like to have

1263
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: at least two or three different deer every season that

1264
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm focusing on and you know, I want a hunt.

1265
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: It's not always the case, but um, you know, from

1266
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: year to year hunting specific deer. You know, out of

1267
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 1: the ten things that could happen, nine of them are bad,

1268
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: and you have to plan for that. Just like anything else,

1269
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta plan for the good and and

1270
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: for the bad. So it always helps to have a

1271
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: backup plan and back up farms and back up dear

1272
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, there's only there's only so

1273
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: many things that we can do, so you know, try

1274
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: to focus on focus on what you know. And you know,

1275
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: if you've got other guys hunting your farm, when aren't

1276
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: they hunting? You know, are these guys that are only

1277
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: hunting on the weekends. Are the guys that are only

1278
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: hunting in the evenings. You know, a lot of guys

1279
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: don't have the ability that I have, you know, to

1280
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: hunt pretty much every day of the week. So maybe

1281
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: you got to focus on your morning hunts because they're

1282
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: not pressuring the deer of the mornings. You know, if

1283
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: you've got a guy you know, it's only hunting on

1284
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: the weekends or the evenings. You gotta hunt when he's

1285
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: not there, YEA, figure out what he's doing. And because

1286
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,799
Speaker 1: I guarantee if there's a mature deer, he's probably mature

1287
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: deer on the farm. And the guy's not hunting smart

1288
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: the buck they're after, he's probably figuring out what this

1289
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: guy is doing and patterning him. So you gotta take

1290
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: all that into consideration and adjust accordingly. So so in

1291
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: that situation, do you try to get to know as

1292
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: much about those other hunters as you can so you

1293
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: can use that to your advantage. Oh yeah, yeah, you know,

1294
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: you got to get to know them, just like the

1295
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: deer that you're hunting, because chances are when I'm hunting

1296
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: a farm and somebody else moves in, they don't know

1297
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: what I know. They're not doing what I'm doing. They

1298
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: haven't spent the time scouting that I have. You know,

1299
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: I got a really good idea of what the deer

1300
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: is doing and where I need to be. And yeah,

1301
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: it's more intel that you can get from, you know,

1302
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: the the guy that's hunting the farm now and what

1303
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: he's doing and how that's gonna affect the deer that

1304
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: you're after. I think a lot of guys think, you know,

1305
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,879
Speaker 1: spook a deer, That deer is gonna leave the county,

1306
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, go completely nocturnal, never see him again nine

1307
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: times out of end. That's just not the case. A

1308
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: deer is just gonna just his behavior accordingly, and you

1309
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: have to do the same. What about during the rut?

1310
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: We talked a lot of here in October, We've talked

1311
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: about like late October, we've talked about these different ways

1312
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: that you're trans zero in on a deer and adjust

1313
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: to other hunters pressure and figure out how these deer

1314
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: reacting to that and what they're doing. But when you

1315
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: throw in the variable of of hot does it kind

1316
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: of reshuffles everything? And with you being someone who's typically

1317
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: focused on on a buck or two bucks or whatever. Uh,

1318
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,440
Speaker 1: I gotta believe that the rut can be maybe frustrating

1319
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: at least in certain ways because they become slightly less predictable.

1320
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: Um So, so let's drill down one more time on

1321
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: how you would adjust to that variable with one target

1322
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: buck here after and we've had all these things happen,

1323
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: Let's let's add all of these things up. Let's say

1324
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: you you you had this situation where you spotted him,

1325
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: you try to kill him in late October. There was

1326
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: other hunters in there with their tree stands. You try

1327
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 1: to go in, and there was this tough wind situation

1328
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: on another night when you saw him and you couldn't

1329
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: kill him there, and you you set up down when

1330
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: the ways of the decoy and try to get him

1331
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: come your way. That didn't happen. All this stuff hasn't

1332
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: worked out. Now it's November. You are out there and

1333
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: there are hot doors and there are bucks chasing, and

1334
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: you're thinking yourself, what am I going to do to

1335
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: zero in this book now? Because he's not doing anything

1336
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: at all like what he was doing previously. Do you

1337
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: have any ways that you try to zero in on

1338
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: them other than just seeing or getting pictures of them?

1339
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: Or at this point do you say, Okay, I'm not

1340
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: going to obsess over his pattern because he didn't have one.

1341
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm instead just gonna hunt the does like any other

1342
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: rut hunt, and just wait until the one buck I

1343
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: like comes through and does the thing? What what? Then?

1344
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: You know I kind of changed my approach to the

1345
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: rut probably ten fifteen years ago, you know, obviously, I'm

1346
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: trying to focus on specific dear you know, every year,

1347
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: and I've been doing that for decades, and you know,

1348
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: November is the worst time of the year to do

1349
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: that because they're the least predictable. They're not on any

1350
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: kind of pattern in November. You never know where they are,

1351
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: what they're gonna be doing, and how in the world

1352
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: do you know, you know, unless you're out there every day,

1353
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: you know what what the phase of the rud is.

1354
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: You know, are they chasing, they seeking? They locked down

1355
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: the pre rut post rut. I mean, when I just

1356
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: throw all that stuff out the window, it quit trying

1357
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 1: to figure all that stuff out and just focused on

1358
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: daylight activity, you know, because at the end of the day,

1359
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: you're not going to kill a big deer unless he's

1360
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: up moving during daylight. And I'm a firm believer that

1361
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: there are certain times every day when deer are going

1362
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: to be more active, and that doesn't matter if it's

1363
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: October or November. But I will pay more attention to

1364
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: those activity times in November during the day. You know. Obviously,

1365
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: if I'm hunting earlier late season, when dear on a

1366
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: street feeding pattern, I'm going to focus on you know,

1367
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: there's mornings and evenings when that uh pull of the

1368
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: moon on top of the weather and wind is affecting

1369
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: animals to move a little bit earlier, a little bit later.

1370
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: Been in November, there are certain days where you've got

1371
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: your peak activity times are going to be hitting during

1372
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: the middle of the day. And whenever that peak activity

1373
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: time hits during the day, that's when I want to

1374
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: be in the woods. There's there's days in November that

1375
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: all completely abandoned my typical morning and evening sets and

1376
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: just hunt from ten to two, or maybe sit all day,

1377
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: or go in in the morning and hunt until two

1378
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: or three in the afternoon, and then maybe get out

1379
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: and and change my location. But just really focusing on

1380
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: daylight activity and when I think this deer are going

1381
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: to be up and moving during day, the daylight and

1382
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: the just where I'm hunting accordingly. I mean, if you're

1383
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: hunting mid day in November, you don't necessarily want to

1384
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: be out on the edge of a food source. You know,

1385
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: you want to be back in the timber, you know,

1386
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: down window the betting areas, or in a funnel or

1387
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: corridor in between betting areas catching bucks. Traveling, but really

1388
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: just completely threw everything out the window that I'd ever

1389
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,440
Speaker 1: learned or read about the rut and just strictly focusing

1390
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: on daylight activity because if the doose are up moving,

1391
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 1: the bucks are going to be up moving, and you know,

1392
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: dear have got to be up moving in order for

1393
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: you for you to kill him. So what what that's

1394
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: my approach? What situation would you prefer? Would you prefer?

1395
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 1: If you had to pick, I'm gonna give you two options,

1396
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: and you're only allowed to pick one of these days

1397
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: in the rut. One is November one, November six on

1398
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: November and this isn't gonna be quite right because of

1399
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: how the moon works, but just humor me where I'm staying.

1400
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: One of these days, you're gonna get a cold front.

1401
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: It's nice and cold, it's November, and you've got that

1402
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:15,520
Speaker 1: like twenty degree crisp morning. You can hunt that day.

1403
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: But the moon is not right at all. It's not

1404
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: a red moon. It's it's whatever the opposite of the

1405
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: red moon is, whatever you wanna call that. It's it's

1406
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: the worst moon position for daylight buck activity. That's option A.

1407
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: Option B is there's another day in November. You can hunt,

1408
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a red moon. You're gonna have

1409
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: that over overhead moon in the day, in the daylight

1410
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:44,440
Speaker 1: towards the edge, and it should be dynamite from that perspective.

1411
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: It's November, but we're in the middle of a warm

1412
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: front and there's like sixty degrees seventy degrees on that

1413
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: day where you have the good moon. Would you rather

1414
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: take the hot day with a good moon or the

1415
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 1: bad moon with the nice cold temperatures? Which dare you

1416
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: can hunt? It's a good question. I'll give you another scenario.

1417
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: So I'm in Kansas. I'm hunting at two plus inch deer.

1418
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: I scheduled my trip to coincide with the red Moon.

1419
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: I know that the red moon is gonna hit towards

1420
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: the end of the week, so it's gonna get better

1421
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: and better and better each day of the week. But

1422
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: when I get there, it's even hotter than predicted. You know,

1423
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: it's degrees all week, first week in November. Not good

1424
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: conditions for dear to be moving during daylight. Dear aren't

1425
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: moving during daylight pretty much. I killed the biggest deer

1426
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: of my life on the red moon in the evening

1427
01:19:55,200 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: when it was eighty degrees that day, and I knew

1428
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: that if I was gonna get a chance to kill

1429
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: that dear, it was gonna be towards the end of

1430
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: the week. So I focused, just focused, mainly on the

1431
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: evenings around the water sources, and she ended up shooting

1432
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: that dear hour and a half before dark, when it's

1433
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 1: eighty degrees out. No no rhyme or reason to why

1434
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: that big, mature dear should be up moving in that heat.

1435
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to explain it other than

1436
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, the red moon hit, you know,

1437
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the week, sat there for eight

1438
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: or nine days and hard to sell anything moving at all,

1439
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: And that deer got up almost two hours before dark.

1440
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: It was up moving, trolling for does and that heat

1441
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: and just no other explanation for it. So I'm not

1442
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not gonna sit here and say

1443
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: that you should be hunting warmer weather, But I mean

1444
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: when you've got good conditions. Because additions that I'm looking

1445
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: for a perfect wind, perfect moon, and maybe you know

1446
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: the weather is not optimal. But I've got two of

1447
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: the three factors that I'm looking for. I'm going to

1448
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: be there regardless if it's seventy or eighty five degrees,

1449
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: And like I said, he killed the biggest deer of

1450
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: my life. But if you want to know what what

1451
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: conditions I think are perfect and that I've had my

1452
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: best luck in November, if I wanted to create the

1453
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: best scenario as far as all that stuff goes, when

1454
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:40,759
Speaker 1: you have a overhead or underfoot moon peeking after daylight

1455
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: in the morning, say it's getting daylight at seven o'clock

1456
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: in the morning and that moon is peaking at eight

1457
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: nine ten o'clock, I've seen more big deer movement and

1458
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 1: killed more big deer in November on those late morning hunts,

1459
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: because when that moon peaks after daylight, those deer are

1460
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: going to be moving a little bit later in the morning,

1461
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, in the rut if they're with the dough,

1462
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: following those dose back into the bedding areas or searching

1463
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: for that next dough coming into heat. It seems like

1464
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: those cooler mornings, when you've got a moon peeking after daylight,

1465
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: you've got better activity the lasting later in the morning

1466
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: just hands down. If I was going to pick a

1467
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: time I would want, that's what I would be looking

1468
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: for as a as a moon that peaks late morning,

1469
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: it seems like the activity lasts longer in the morning,

1470
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: seems to you know, be prolonged out through midday. Two.

1471
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: You need to get into your stand before daylight and

1472
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: just plan on sitting, you know, till two or three

1473
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. But that's when I've seen the most

1474
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 1: big buck activity in November. You know, it's not your

1475
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: typical red moon evening edge of the food sources. Those

1476
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: mornings when the moon's peaking late, hands down been my

1477
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: best best days in November. You know, it sounds like

1478
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: a good time to being the tree. It's got me November. Uh, Tony,

1479
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: do you have any final scenario you want to play

1480
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: out here because you've got your last last question here

1481
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 1: and then I want to move to the rapid fire

1482
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: round of this situation. Yeah, I just I have just

1483
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: one thing I'm curious about. So Adam, everything that you've

1484
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: you've kind of said in this so far, and everything

1485
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: you're you're known for, is you know, finding a target buck,

1486
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: locking onto that sucker and just seeing what you can do,

1487
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: and even more like finding three of them so you

1488
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 1: have those backup dear, Is there ever a scenario in

1489
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: any given fall where you just go into the woods

1490
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: somewhere and you hunt, not knowing what's in there, and

1491
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: just decided to sit in a tree and a spot

1492
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: you think is good, hope something comes by, or is

1493
01:23:54,080 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: that never happened for you? You know, it's for me,

1494
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: the whole thing in the fall is hunting a specific

1495
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: animal and playing the game with that deer and trying

1496
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: to figure him out. I mean, if somebody said, you know,

1497
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: you go climbing this tree and at eight o'clock, you

1498
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 1: know this giant deer is going to come from this direction,

1499
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: you have a thirty yard shot, and just put me

1500
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,719
Speaker 1: on the deer. I mean, that just doesn't do anything

1501
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: for me, And it doesn't do anything for me personally

1502
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: to just go and sit in the woods and just

1503
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: hope something strolls by. I mean, I just I guess

1504
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: it probably comes from you know, chasing specific gear for

1505
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: over thirty years. That that's really what it's all about

1506
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 1: for me, And that's what I get the most enjoyment

1507
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: of it, from his trying to figure out a big

1508
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: deer and what he's doing and that cat and mouse game.

1509
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, there's occasion where I'll go and climbing

1510
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 1: a tree stand out behind my house and just enjoy it.

1511
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: But it's just not the same for me if I'm

1512
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 1: not after a specific animal. So yeah, I enjoy the

1513
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: woods as much as the next guy. But if I'm

1514
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 1: not after a specific buck and trying to figure them out,

1515
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: just that's not what it's about for me anymore. So

1516
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: I just don't enjoy that just going out and sitting

1517
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: and hoping a big deer comes by. It just seems

1518
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,560
Speaker 1: like a waste of time for me. You know, seasons

1519
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: so short and to come and go and get your

1520
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: really get to appreciate, you know, the opportunity more and

1521
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: more the older I get, and I want to I

1522
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: want to be um, you know, I want to be

1523
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: in the game with a big deer and really the

1524
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: whole one on one. So it's not saying that's for

1525
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: everybody and not saying, you know, guys that aren't into that,

1526
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: it's wrong, and I'm right, it's just that's that's what

1527
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: it's all about me. So all right, I can't I

1528
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: can't not get in it. Yeah, yeah, I'm just curious.

1529
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: There's something about that one on one thing I can

1530
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: certainly relate to that no doubt about that. So nothing

1531
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: like figuring out a big deer, and it just really

1532
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: isn't there. Just you're really an amazing animal. And when

1533
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: you can beat an animal like that at his game

1534
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 1: on his turf, I mean, they're just so rewarding to

1535
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: do that, and you know, trying to figure out what

1536
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna do before they ever do it. That's just

1537
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: what it's all about. It's pretty cool thing. So the

1538
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: next phase here, Adam, the final wrap up here is

1539
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a series of kind of rapid fire

1540
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: questions that I'm gonna give them to you fast, and

1541
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: you've just got one word answer. You just you can't

1542
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: explain it. You just have to give me the one

1543
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: one option yes or no or this or that. We

1544
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: basically asked the same questions to everyone, so I kind

1545
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: of already know you're answered a few of these, but

1546
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: we're still going to run you through it. Anyways. We'll

1547
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: get through this real quick and then we'll wrap things up,

1548
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: all right. Mhm. All right, and Tony, I'm I'm just

1549
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: gonna steal a couple of your questions you added to

1550
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: my list too, all right, all right, So Adam, here

1551
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: we go with the rapid fire and this first one, man,

1552
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 1: you better get this one right. Does the moon matter

1553
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: to dear movement? Yes? Or no? Yes? Would you take

1554
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: a fifty yard shot at a white tail with your bow? Yes?

1555
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: If you could only have one of these tools for

1556
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: the rest of your hunts, would you choose a set

1557
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: of rattling anislers or grunt tube as expandable or fixed

1558
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: blade broadheads. Let's explade. Should you stop a buck with

1559
01:27:55,360 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: a sound before shooting? Yes or no? Yes? If you

1560
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: could only pick one season to scout one of these

1561
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: three seasons, which would you pick? Winter, summer or in

1562
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: season winter? Which state has the better hunters Michigan, Ohio

1563
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: or Minnesota? Of course? Uh in in Michigan, we don't

1564
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: say Io. After that we say two different letters, but

1565
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: uh uh So, okay, you passed the rapid fire. Got

1566
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: one final doozy for you. And here's the situation, Adam.

1567
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: Let's say that I am the all powerful ruler of

1568
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: the world, and I have control over your right to hunt.

1569
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you, Adam, that you cannot hunt

1570
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 1: at all for the next ten years. You're done, no

1571
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: hunting license, no ability to hunt for ten years unless

1572
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: unless you kill a six year old buck this year.

1573
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 1: You have to kill a six year old just mega

1574
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: giant buck this year, and you only have one day

1575
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: to do it. You get to pick one day, and

1576
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: you only get to hunt one location. So what I

1577
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: want to know is, with this very high stakes on

1578
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: this hunt, what's the one date of the year you're

1579
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: gonna pick. Tell me the date you're gonna pick, and

1580
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: then describe to me in as much detail as you

1581
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: possibly can, this one best possible location you can think

1582
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: of to kill a six year old mega giant that

1583
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: your next ten years depends on. How do you guys

1584
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: come up with the stuff? Just too much time on

1585
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: my hands at him? Uh huh. You guys had a

1586
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: little meeting last night on how to stump out that's

1587
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: all I've been doing for weeks. Yeah, so I need

1588
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: to pick one day and you said I need to

1589
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 1: pick a location or yeah, yeah, Like you like to

1590
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: tell me the tree, like describe your hypothetical tree, like

1591
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: it could be actually literally a tree you know of

1592
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: in a spot you know of, or you could paint

1593
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: the picture of the perfect hypothetical scenario that in a

1594
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 1: perfect world you could find. Um, so give me the

1595
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: date and describe the place you would sit and hunt

1596
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: to kill this kind of buck that would give you

1597
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: the absolute best chance. All right, well, I'm gonna have

1598
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: to pick um a day last week of October, so

1599
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: I have to pick one of those. I'd say, haween.

1600
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 1: I killed most of my biggest deer last ten days

1601
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: of October. I think that's probably the best week of

1602
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: the year. And against If you're going to pick a

1603
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: day that last week, why not go with thought with

1604
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: the Halloween, so that would be my day. The perfect

1605
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:19,640
Speaker 1: scenario would be on a big rub line, you know,

1606
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: right on the edge of a food source like a

1607
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: red noon and being within earshot of his betting area,

1608
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, a couple hundred yards from where he's betting.

1609
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: Um what and from other information? Are you looking for here?

1610
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Any anything else you want? This is your hypothetical scenario.

1611
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: So if there's any other factors you want lined up,

1612
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: you can line them up. I'm giving you whatever odds

1613
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: you want to stack in your favor on this one,

1614
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you. Or if that's if, if

1615
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: that's if that's your scenario, we can let the dice no,

1616
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, obviously, or you know, red moon evening

1617
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: when the when the moon's perfect, you know, with a

1618
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 1: with a wind blowing back into the bedding area from

1619
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: the food source, so that deer feels super comfortable to

1620
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,520
Speaker 1: get up and move with the wind in his favor

1621
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 1: towards um, towards his food source, you know. And then

1622
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: to have you know, you know, high pressure day, high

1623
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: bear metric pressure, making dear more active, you know, a

1624
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: little cooler temperatures. I really really like an evening where

1625
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: it rains in the afternoon and then clears off in

1626
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: the sun comes out, because it seems like deer just

1627
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork on those evenings. I think

1628
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: when everything has a little bit of water on it,

1629
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: it's just it's almost like having salad dressing on your salad.

1630
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: You know, you would rather either dry salad or something

1631
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: that's got you know, some moisture. And especially at that

1632
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: time of the year when deer still eating beans and

1633
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: get a little bit of water on the beans or

1634
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, clover or whatever they're eating. Just I don't

1635
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: know what it is about these evenings after rain when

1636
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: the sun comes out, but good Career says are great

1637
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 1: evenings for the deer to move. So yeah, there's three

1638
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 1: or four factors. Last week of October? What's your perfect

1639
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: tree look like? Adam, I'm not as hung up on on,

1640
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 1: you know, being as high in a tree as I

1641
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 1: used to be. I'm more concerned about cover. So obviously,

1642
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen twenty ft off the ground, with plenty

1643
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: of cover and a big tree to break up your

1644
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, your outline, your silhouette. I love you know

1645
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: that question you asked me antlers or a grunt call.

1646
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: I just when I'm after a specific deer, when I'm

1647
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: hunting the evenings, specially at that last week of October,

1648
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: I of to do a little light rattling, you know,

1649
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 1: if I know I'm set up with an ear shot

1650
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 1: of where Buck's betting, and I'm on his travel pattern,

1651
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: hunting close to his rub line or maybe his scrape line.

1652
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: And you know, when I rattle, I just want to

1653
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: make enough noise that a deer knows where I'm at.

1654
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to imitate a couple of younger bucks,

1655
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 1: you know, in in a dominant bucks area, because that's

1656
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: gonna just piss him off and he's gonna one up.

1657
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: Want to get up and you know, show everybody who's boss.

1658
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: And if he thinks there's a couple of younger bucks

1659
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: messing around in his area, it seems like it's almost

1660
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: too much for them not to get up. So you're

1661
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,719
Speaker 1: doing some light tickling with an ear shot of his bed.

1662
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: He's got the win in his favor to get up.

1663
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just I think it's a deadly combination,

1664
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 1: especially if you rattle before you think that deer is

1665
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: up in because I think once a deer is up

1666
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: and moving, it's hard to get him turned to come

1667
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: your way. But if he can routle to a big

1668
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: deer in his bed, I think you got more of

1669
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: a chance of him getting up and heading in your

1670
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: direction than if he's already up pet in an opposite addresstion.

1671
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 1: So I'd probably be doing a little light rattling right

1672
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: about sunset, just before I think you're gonna be up moving,

1673
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: when they're just laying there thinking about what they're gonna do.

1674
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I like that. That would be my that would be

1675
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: my perfect evening. All right, Well, I like to set up.

1676
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: I have confidence in your ability. I think you would

1677
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: get the buck killed and you'll be able to keep

1678
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: on hunting. So that's a that's what I think. So so, Adam,

1679
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: before we shut this down, can you just give us

1680
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 1: an update on where we can learn more about everything

1681
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: you've got going on, whether it's the moon Guide or

1682
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 1: the show or any other projects you want us to

1683
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 1: know about. Well, the Team two shows still running on

1684
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: the Pursuit channel. All this was our eighth season Tuesday

1685
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: nights at eight pm for Big Buck Tuesdays. All of

1686
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: our old seasons are available through Waypoint TV, which if

1687
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: anybody is not aware of Waypoint, it's UH free app

1688
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: you can get on your phone. They got hundreds of

1689
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 1: great shows on there. You can get the app on

1690
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: your phone for free or watch it through what Waypoint

1691
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 1: tv dot com and then they're actually available on just

1692
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: about every h smart TV these days. Digitally. UH did

1693
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: start a new YouTube channel, moon Guides Team two hundred um,

1694
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: which has got a lot of our lot of our

1695
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: old episodes on it and some new stuff we're working

1696
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:52,759
Speaker 1: on moon Guide dot com for the moon Guide app

1697
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: or the dial Um. We did just rebuild the app.

1698
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: It's got parcel data including it now and some other

1699
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 1: pretty cool features. Completely rebuilt this year on a rock

1700
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: solid platform, so some pretty cool stuff in there, and UM,

1701
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: as always, anybody that wants to reach out to me,

1702
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: you can reach me through social media. UM team two hundred,

1703
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: moon guide dot com info at moon Guide for the

1704
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 1: email on that. I'm a fairly easy guy to get

1705
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 1: a hold of, and I answer every email or request

1706
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: I get, So that's amazing. Somebody's got any questions about

1707
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 1: how you know the moon works, what I think about it,

1708
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: you know, um, really anything in general. I'm an open

1709
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: book more than happy to talk about deer hunting, trying

1710
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: to help guys out. So well, we certainly appreciate you

1711
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 1: doing that with us here today at him It was

1712
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 1: it was fun. And I guess my last question is

1713
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: do you have the one picked out for this year yet?

1714
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: Do you have a buck that's gonna check all the

1715
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 1: boxes that you're gonna be targeting? May I have three

1716
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: deer in Ohio that we're all like right at that

1717
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, mid sixties mark last year, and I've only

1718
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 1: seen one of them so far, and I think he's

1719
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 1: probably you know, probably past the one seventy mark this year.

1720
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 1: He didn't make as big of a jump as I thought,

1721
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 1: but he's super heavy, massive ten point with a couple

1722
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: of extra kickers. So it's going to be interesting if

1723
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: these other two bucks show up what kind of jumps

1724
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: they made. So I'm not sure that I'm got anything

1725
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 1: north of two Ohio this year. Got one in Illinois

1726
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,719
Speaker 1: that still waiting to get pictures of that could definitely

1727
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: crack two inches. Um big non typical that you know

1728
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 1: was right at that or four and half five year

1729
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 1: old mark last year that could just could be a

1730
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: be a world class animal this year. So I can't

1731
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 1: wait to see, you know that deer made it, just

1732
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: waiting to seem show up on camera. And then I'm

1733
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: keeping my fingers crossed that they're going to keep the

1734
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 1: border open for Canada this year because it was going

1735
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: to be able to hunt a world class dear there

1736
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: last year, and obviously I couldn't get up there with

1737
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 1: the border being shut down. And if that deer made

1738
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: it this year, who knows what that thing is gonna

1739
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 1: look like the biggest typical frame deer I've ever seen

1740
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: in my life. So well, yeah, well we who wish

1741
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: you the best of luck, and uh, let's chat again

1742
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: after you kill a couple of those big guys and

1743
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: find out how you did it. So sounds a good man. Well,

1744
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys having me on. Hopefully I didn't make

1745
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 1: a fool of myself. Now you passed the test. Hopefully

1746
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 1: there's something in there that somebody picked up on that

1747
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 1: will help him out to fall. But yeah, I appreciate

1748
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 1: you guys having me on. Good luck this fall and

1749
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 1: be safe. Thank you same same, right back at you.

1750
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 1: And that's a rap. Thank you all for listening. I

1751
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Uh, just a little plug here, if you're

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Speaker 1: not already signed up for the Wired to Hunt weekly newsletter,

1753
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Speaker 1: get on that. That's where we're sharing all of our

1754
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1755
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1756
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1757
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Speaker 1: sent out every week along with a note for myself

1758
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 1: with updates on what I'm doing or different little tips

1759
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Speaker 1: and tricks things like that. So you can sign up

1760
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1761
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1762
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Speaker 1: the option to sign up for that newsletter. So highly

1763
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 1: recommend that and check out all that stuff because Tony

1764
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,600
Speaker 1: and I and Spencer and the whole old crew of

1765
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: folks that are doing wired hunting stuff. Now we're busting

1766
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: our tails to put out a lot of new white

1767
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Speaker 1: tail content for people that eat, sleep, and breathe this

1768
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: stuff people like you, So I hope you're able to

1769
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: check it out, hope you enjoy it, and uh find

1770
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 1: value in it. So that's all I got. Thanks for

1771
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: tuning in. I appreciate you. Until next time, stay wired

1772
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: to Hunt.