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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Lazar, Blazarre and Lazarre. Hello, everybody, nailed it? Joined us

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Speaker 2: Always buy an our bar Gas.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: Are you focused on this right now or are you

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Speaker 2: lost in the in your your appearance on No.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, he's saying that I am have a lack of

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Speaker 1: height in a bad back. Half of that is true.

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Speaker 2: The lack of height is definitely true. I didn't know

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Speaker 2: about the back part. Hello. Hello, Hello, there you go.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if you could hear me for some reason.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hello everybody, Evan Lazar, Alex Bars, Patriots Catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two taking you for the next hour and twenty five,

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Speaker 2: let's call it. We got open locker room at at

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Speaker 2: three thirty, so we're gonna try to to do this

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Speaker 2: without rushing.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, I know we're up against it. We may

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Speaker 1: need to hit an alternate open though. We may need

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Speaker 1: a you got you need a second? Okay, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I feel it might be good this week.

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Speaker 1: What I just have feeling it might be good?

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Speaker 2: What might be good?

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Speaker 1: The open.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me? I I know where this is heading, and

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Speaker 2: you you know that I'm already embarrassed by this entire thing.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad that you're you're you're milking it now.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think what's there to be embarrassed about.

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Speaker 2: You're in a room full of people and you're you're

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Speaker 2: getting singled out. I'm not like, I don't believe it

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Speaker 2: or not as somebody that like talks and puts themselves

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Speaker 2: awkward in that sense.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I can relate. And you heard it in

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Speaker 1: the in the open from that two weeks ago. I

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Speaker 1: was being singled out on ninety eight five for trying

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Speaker 1: to get Bruce Springsteen tickets. Yes, but the difference is

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Speaker 1: I I was called I said I had a bad back,

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Speaker 1: and then I was short. You were getting complimented on

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Speaker 1: your football knowledge by the quarterback of the New England

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Speaker 1: Patriots that you'd like to talk about the scheme.

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Speaker 2: So the laughing.

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Speaker 1: There it is.

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Speaker 2: Maybe in an off season show we can we can

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Speaker 2: talk about what my fever dream offense is for the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: if I if I was running the show. But Mac

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Speaker 2: It would be a lot like what Billy Oh is

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Speaker 2: And uh, I am a little bit flattered, a little

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about it. But I don't want to talk

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Speaker 2: They've known that they were going to play the Eagles

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Speaker 2: They've had all offseason to prepare. Show me something, Bill,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just on that you talk about the there's been

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Speaker 1: according to Pro Football Reference, no team ran more RPOs

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would say too, the Eagles don't just

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Speaker 2: And I really feel that strongly about that. The one thing,

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Speaker 2: both places right. So by rpoing you in that situation

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Speaker 2: Like you play the B gap, we're gonna throw it

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Speaker 2: run it down your throat, You'll never be right. You'll

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Speaker 2: aj Brown, that's not your responsibility. Your responsibility is stopping

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Speaker 2: And they don't have the athletes I think in the

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Speaker 2: let's see what they got. Can they stop this? Because

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Speaker 2: we know they've had problems within the past. The Patriots

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Speaker 2: They're gonna isolate AJ Brown on Christian Gonzales and it's

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Speaker 2: don't know if the Patriots really love that matchup in

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Speaker 2: get them into a drop back passing game, I like

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Speaker 2: That's all about getting the Eagles off schedule. If they're

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Speaker 2: right like, it doesn't necessarily have to be moving backwards.

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Speaker 2: To me is can they win on first and second

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Speaker 1: And to me again that goes to slowing down those RPOs.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts lasses. Last year, Jalen Hurts led the NFL

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Speaker 1: when they go to that traditional passing game and they'll

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Speaker 1: If you can keep them off schedule, some of that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that when you say, you know,

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Speaker 2: to pressure him, the worst thing that they can do

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Speaker 1: You gotta get pressure with three or four.

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Speaker 2: You gotta try to come after him a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about like zero blitzes and stuff like.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say you should blitz him and

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that Marty mop Who's gonna play

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Speaker 2: But if you can close the arm side of the

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Speaker 2: What you don't want is him having a scan from

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Speaker 2: So I said we weren't going to get into the

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Speaker 2: going to set the table first, but we didn't pant. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The second thing I want to talk about was something

435
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Speaker 2: that I actually mentioned it and I just remembered, So

436
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Speaker 2: I'm glad I remembered off the At the end of

437
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Speaker 2: the show last week, I said that I think this

438
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Speaker 2: Eagles defense can can be had as well. And I

439
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 2: know I'm hyping this up, like the Patriots have this

440
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 2: great chance in this game. You were right that this

441
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 2: is all easier said than done, right, So I'm not

442
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Speaker 2: sitting here, not sitting here saying that the Patriots have

443
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Speaker 2: all these advantages and all these types of things. This

444
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 2: is the epitome of easier said than done. I for

445
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 2: the most part, am not a fan of the Fangio defense.

446
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I don't like it. I think

447
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 2: that for two reasons. One, I really feel like the

448
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 2: Fangio defense is basically just saying, we have really good

449
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 2: players on defense and we're just gonna rush four and

450
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 2: sit in zone and make you beat us, right, like cool,

451
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,160
Speaker 2: like sick. They do a lot of disguising up top.

452
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Speaker 2: I'll give them that. You know, it's it's too high

453
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Speaker 2: out of the base of their defense, and then it

454
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Speaker 2: becomes one high becomes six, like you know, quarter quarter

455
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Speaker 2: half like they do that type of stuff, and that

456
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Speaker 2: can be difficult, especially for teams that run a lot

457
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Speaker 2: of route conversions and options, because is it six, is

458
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 2: it four? Is it three? Right? You have to decipher

459
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Speaker 2: all of that post nap. But this Eagles defense to

460
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: me is they're gonna sit in zone. They played They

461
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 2: played zone seventy one percent of the time. Last year.

462
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Speaker 2: They hired the associate head coach of the Seahawks to

463
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: be the defensive coordinator. This year, it's gonna be a

464
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: zone team. They're gonna play a ton of zone. They

465
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Speaker 2: have some new faces in the safety room, in the

466
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Speaker 2: linebacker room that are gonna play big roles. The reason

467
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Speaker 2: why I mainly don't like the Fangio defense as much

468
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Speaker 2: as maybe other people do one they don't really scheme

469
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Speaker 2: up the pass rush a whole lot, Like you just

470
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Speaker 2: kind of know the four guys that are coming, and

471
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Speaker 2: that's sort of the way that it plays out most

472
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Speaker 2: of the time. They do run some like creeper pressure

473
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Speaker 2: where they'll like send a linebacker and drop a guy

474
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Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage, but for the most part,

475
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Speaker 2: you aren't getting a whole lot of exotics when it

476
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Speaker 2: comes to blitz package right, Like, it's not like a

477
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Speaker 2: Brian Florez blitz package or something like that. The other

478
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Speaker 2: reason this is gonna shock you, This is gonna surprise you.

479
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Speaker 2: What's the last Fangio defense? And I can break You know,

480
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 2: rams run Fangio. Chargers run Fangio. The Broncos, of course

481
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Speaker 2: when he was their head coach, ran Fangio. And you

482
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Speaker 2: know this Eagles team runs Fangio. There's not a whole

483
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Speaker 2: lot of teams that run the Fangio system that stop

484
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Speaker 2: the run. They're just they just don't care. Like they

485
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Speaker 2: play out of these two high shells. They I hope

486
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Speaker 2: that the front four can slow up the run. The

487
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Speaker 2: whole point of the Fangio front mechanics is that they

488
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Speaker 2: want to slow down the ball carrier in the run

489
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Speaker 2: game long enough for the defensive backs to rally to

490
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Speaker 2: the football and make stops on the ball. But they'll

491
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Speaker 2: give you the first four yards like that's gonna be

492
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Speaker 2: there all game long. This Eagles defense, as good as

493
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Speaker 2: it was last year, was twenty first in DVOA against

494
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Speaker 2: the run. They were not a great run defense. And

495
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Speaker 2: we've seen what's happened in I would say most importantly

496
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Speaker 2: in Charger Land, right, the Chargers can't stop the run

497
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Speaker 2: to save their lives out of the two high shells

498
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Speaker 2: because they don't have the defensive lineman. They hates, they

499
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Speaker 2: don't care the Eagles to have the defensive lineman. But

500
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Speaker 2: you can run on this team. You might not register

501
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Speaker 2: explosive runs.

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Speaker 3: Right.

503
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Speaker 2: That's how they get you is they don't. They're they're running.

504
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Speaker 2: They're allowing you those first four or five yards, but

505
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Speaker 2: they're not gonna give up a lot of thirty five

506
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Speaker 2: yard runs. They're gonna give up the shorter runs, but

507
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Speaker 2: they're not gonna give up the explosives. I would run

508
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Speaker 2: the Ball's not for the traditional reasons of like, oh

509
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: we got to kill the clock and keep Jalen Hurts

510
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Speaker 2: on the sideline. That is part of it. Maybe that's

511
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: a secondary thing, but I I'm more concerned about putting

512
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Speaker 2: up points than I am of keeping Jalen Hurts on

513
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Speaker 2: the sideline. But the most part, I would run on

514
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Speaker 2: them because I think that eventually they will adjust and

515
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Speaker 2: they will try to spin the dial to get that

516
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Speaker 2: extra hat in the box, and then you will get

517
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Speaker 2: some single high structures that Mac can attack. So I

518
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Speaker 2: want them to run the football offensively. I think you

519
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Speaker 2: can run the ball against this front, even though it's great,

520
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: and we already know that this entire offense, and this

521
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Speaker 2: is sort of, you know, the big picture with the

522
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Speaker 2: Fangio thing that I was discussing, we already know that

523
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Speaker 2: this offense is going to try to hit a lot

524
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Speaker 2: of short passes. Like, I don't think that this offense,

525
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Speaker 2: even if they weren't shorthanded on the offensive line and

526
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Speaker 2: facing the best pass rush in the league in Week one,

527
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Speaker 2: I still don't think mac Jones is holding the ball

528
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Speaker 2: a whole lot in this offense anyways, Like I don't

529
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Speaker 2: think that's the way the whole thing is designed. So

530
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Speaker 2: I like their ability to get the ball out of

531
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Speaker 2: Max hands in this game. I think the biggest thing

532
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Speaker 2: for them, if you're the Patriots offense that's gonna hold

533
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Speaker 2: them back is what we've talked about all summer long,

534
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Speaker 2: with the offensive line against this front, and that's the

535
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Speaker 2: easier said than done piece, right, Like can you actually

536
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: block it is a whole different question. But I think schematically,

537
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: from a fundamental standpoint, this defense has more holes in

538
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Speaker 2: it than people maybe think because of where they ranked

539
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Speaker 2: last year in against the pass. I think they were

540
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: number one pass defense in the league. They led the

541
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Speaker 2: league in sacks. But I think at the end of

542
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Speaker 2: the day, I don't like zone teams. I don't think

543
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Speaker 2: it's too like. I don't think it's that grow yeah

544
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Speaker 2: kind of like, I just don't think it's that sophisticated.

545
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Speaker 2: Like if you have the legion to boom, then by

546
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Speaker 2: all means like sit and cover three all games long.

547
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: But these teams that play all this zone, like these

548
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: Fangio teams do, their whole identity is to keep the

549
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 2: top on the defense and limit explosive plays. Fine, like,

550
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Speaker 2: so Mac Jones, I don't be throwing bombs this week,

551
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: Like I don't know understand why. If you're the Patriots offense,

552
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: that would be a problem for you, right, Like right,

553
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a deterrent for you. You don't

554
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: want to hold the ball anyway because you have who

555
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: God only knows who at right tackle trying to block

556
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Speaker 2: us on Reddick. So you don't want to hold the

557
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: ball anyways, and you want to be a death by

558
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 2: a thousand paper cuts offense, So have at it. If

559
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: they played too high, cover four, cover six, things like that.

560
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: Run the ball and take your slants right like it's

561
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Speaker 2: And that's where I think that this defense can be had,

562
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: so that that's both sides of the ball for you.

563
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about the Eagles defense, And.

564
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of the same. Just to put some

565
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Speaker 1: numbers behind what you said. Everybody thinks of the Eagles

566
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Speaker 1: as this elite pass rush and I'm not saying they're not.

567
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Speaker 1: But they blitzed. Their blitz rate last year was twenty

568
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Speaker 1: two point one percent. It's eighteenth in the league. So

569
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Speaker 1: they weren't. They were blitzing less than average. It's not

570
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Speaker 1: like it's not like the Jets who don't blitz, right,

571
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Speaker 1: it's significantly less than average. And if we do some

572
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Speaker 1: quick math on the air, Evan, and this is the

573
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Speaker 1: kind of math I believe is a plic If you're

574
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Speaker 1: not blitzing, how many players you're rushing four? And how

575
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: many players will the Patriots have to block those rushers

576
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: five at least? So you have an extra guy. You

577
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Speaker 1: have an extra guy. Now this is where the easier

578
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: said than done thing comes in. You talk about this

579
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Speaker 1: a lot. It's kind of a saying with Offenselime py right,

580
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: you can cover up one spot and be okay. It's

581
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Speaker 1: when you have to cover up multiple spots. And that,

582
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Speaker 1: to me is what the question is for the Patriots

583
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: offense in this game. They're probably gonna have to cover

584
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Speaker 1: up right tackle. I think we feel that even if

585
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Speaker 1: Calvin anders like, we don't know what Calvin Anderson is.

586
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to throw him under the bus right

587
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: away and say, oh, he you know, he needs to

588
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: be compensated for, but he really doesn't played. He was

589
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: on NFI all summer. Kind of shape is he and

590
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: he hasn't been with this group. So if he's the

591
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: guy you're covering up, fine, what does that mean for

592
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: cold Strange because last year, so last year, there were

593
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Speaker 1: three different spots over the course of the season they

594
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Speaker 1: had to cover up at times his left guard, at times,

595
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Speaker 1: it was center, at times it was right tackle. Yeah,

596
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Speaker 1: and there were times where it was only one And

597
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Speaker 1: that's when the offensive line looked. They were eleventh last

598
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: year in pressure rate allowed, So they weren't as bad

599
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: as it Maybe they were as bad as it seemed,

600
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Speaker 1: but that's kind of a league thing. They weren't that

601
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: much below the norm. Where it got ugly was right

602
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: when David Andrews went out and now you have to

603
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: help at center, but you were also helping it left guard,

604
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: and now you're putting your left guard on an island.

605
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Speaker 1: And as we saw, he struggled with that. Aul Strange

606
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: struggled that or when it became a mess at right

607
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: tackle and now you're shading coverage that way. Can Cole

608
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: Strange of this? Can Cole Strange hole And I'm not

609
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: saying he Kenry can't. We don't know. He didn't practice

610
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: all summer. We have no idea what his year two

611
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: jump is.

612
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Speaker 2: He's gonna have Jalen Carter lined up over him, He's

613
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: gonna have Fletcher Cox lined up over right. These are

614
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: big boys coming.

615
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Speaker 1: He needs to He needs to win those one on

616
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Speaker 1: one essentially for the Patriots offense to really be able

617
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Speaker 1: to move the ball. Cole Strange is gonna have to

618
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Speaker 1: win one on one against Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Fletcher Cox.

619
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Speaker 1: You add to it some of what you said. They

620
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: can build in some mechanics that naturally slow down the rush.

621
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Speaker 1: Don't like guys pin their ears back RPO play actions

622
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: screens things like that that are a big part of

623
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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's offense naturally, so that should help. And then

624
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: there's also that element of all right, so it's what

625
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: was it four verse five? How often do you want

626
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: to go four verse six and you bring in Pharaoh

627
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: Brown or you leave a running back into block, or

628
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: you even go, you know, Tyrone Wheat leavedarian low tackle eligible.

629
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Speaker 1: But that's what that's what it comes down to to me.

630
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: Can the Patriots five be better than the Eagles four?

631
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Speaker 1: Is that one player advantage enough to make a difference

632
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: because the Eagles aren't gonna blitz a lot. They're not,

633
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Speaker 1: and honestly, this is a game where to me, they'll

634
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: probably blitz less. That's an average for seventeen games of

635
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: twenty two point one percent. I would think in a

636
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: matchup like this, and if there is gonna be a

637
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: change they've talked about, they don't want to make a

638
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: big change with the defensive coordinator. If there is gonna

639
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: be a change, I would think you blitz less comings

640
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: than that Seattle system. So you should have that five

641
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: on four a significant amount of the time on Sunday.

642
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: You just need to win five on four goes back

643
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: to the to that concept. It's easier said, like I

644
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: can say sit here and say, yeah, five guys should

645
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: be able to block four guys. Well, when those four

646
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: guys are the Eagles defensive front, it's a little different.

647
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think you make a great point about

648
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Speaker 2: to sigh and what he's going to bring over here.

649
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: So Seattle, I believe, was the least blitzing team in

650
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Speaker 2: the NFL.

651
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: Second second least. The Jets were at fourteen point nine

652
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: percent jet. I know their numbers are a little different

653
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: than I'm a loyal PFR guy.

654
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's fine. Seattle doesn't blitz a lot and

655
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: they're both significantly low. But what what's astounding about how

656
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: many sacks the Eagles piled up last year is that

657
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: they were a middle of the road blitz team. They

658
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: were dead last in the league in stunts, right like

659
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: tackle end stuns or pick plays and things like that,

660
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: dead last. And they were also near the bottom of

661
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: the league and simulated or creeper pressure. So they just

662
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: rushed for like that, That's just what they did. They

663
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: just had four coming at you every single game, and

664
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: they accumulated d Sachs by just rushing four guys right

665
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: where you thought that they were going to be, and

666
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: they still were able to get to the quarterback seventy times,

667
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: which is incredible. That's incredible in itself. But this is

668
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: one thing that I think gets a little bit flies

669
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: under the radar because they were not local in Philadelphia.

670
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: This is one of those things that, like we would

671
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: talk about about the Patriots because we know the Patriots

672
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: so well, but we started talking about the other thirty two,

673
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: especially teams in the NFC, it might get lost in

674
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: the weeds. Eagles fans hated Jonathan Gannon. They hated Jonathan

675
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: Gannon not because of like the hard knock style stuff

676
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: that we've seen from the Cardinals release a little bit of.

677
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: They hated Jonathan Gannon because of how vanilla he was

678
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: in the pass rush. They never blitzed, they never ran

679
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: any simulated pressure, they never ran any sort of exotic

680
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: pressure looks up front ever, and Eagles fans it drove

681
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: him nuts. They thought it was a deterrent to their

682
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: team that they weren't doing this. Now zone teams don't.

683
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: It's a lot because they want to keep the seven

684
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: guys in coverage right because you're covering grass everywhere, and

685
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: if you start to take spa distribution, yeah, if you

686
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: start taking guys out of coverage, then you're trying to

687
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: cover space with six guys instead of seven, and you,

688
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: guys get the idea. The one thing that the Seattle

689
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: did a little bit more than Philadelphia did, and I

690
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: think the side will probably bring with him to Philadelphia

691
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: are creeper pressures, which is when you rush somebody from

692
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Speaker 2: the back seven, so a linebacker or a safety or

693
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: somebody from the back seven level, but you drop a

694
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: player off from the line of scrimmage. So we see

695
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 2: the Patriots do this all the time with Matthew Judon

696
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: last year at times like that Raider game where Juwan

697
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: Bentley is gonna blitz up the middle and Judon's gonna

698
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: drop off the edge and replace him in the coverage.

699
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: So you still keep your numbers in both the rush

700
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: and the coverage the same, but the pressure is coming

701
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Speaker 2: from a different direction than what you're expecting pre snap.

702
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Speaker 2: So I think that there's gonna be some of that.

703
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: All that is post snap diagnosis. Right, you have a

704
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: lot of the time, like they'll say, all right, the

705
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: left guard and the left tackle, you have two of

706
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: the three guys over here. If two guys come, then

707
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: you got to block both of them.

708
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: Right.

709
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: If three guys come, the third guys on the quarterback

710
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: or sometimes it's three over four, and we're gonna have

711
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: the center open to that direction and then you guys

712
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: have three. If fourth guy comes, then Mac is hot.

713
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: Mack's got to get the ball out at that point.

714
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: So those are the types of things that they will

715
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: have to work through, I think a little bit more

716
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: than what the Eagles did last year, but in general,

717
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: it's what builds it. Their structure is their structure. They're

718
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: not choosing.

719
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Speaker 1: There's no you know, oh well, they'll disguise this, and

720
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Speaker 1: we have to be ready if they show this look.

721
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: It could be three or four things. And but this

722
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: is where again it goes back to we've talked about

723
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: this a lot. What is Bill of Brian's offense predicated on,

724
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: Get to the line, identify what you're seeing, check to

725
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 1: the play that matches the identification, and go. And if

726
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: you do that correctly, odds are you're gonna have a

727
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: successful place. It not gonna be a touchdown every time,

728
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: but you'll move the ball. There's no the Eagles aren't

729
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: disguising it. It's they're just again. It's that thing, especially

730
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: on the defensive front with four on five and they're

731
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: still they got seventy sacks because they are just better.

732
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: It's not scheme, it's not disguised, it's not there. You

733
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: gotta be better than them, period.

734
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. They do disguise a little

735
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: bit on the back end, but it's it's safety rotation,

736
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: right like they always start in a two high shell.

737
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: Every Fangio defense starts in that too high shell. They

738
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: played most of their coverage snaps last year and cover three,

739
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: so they'll start too high, and then they'll rotate the

740
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: buzz defender into the box to play the crossers coming

741
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 2: from the passing strength, and then they'll have the one

742
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 2: high shell. But for the most part you're talking about

743
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: just like post snap safety rotations. You're not talking about

744
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: the Patriots. They they are diabolical defensively with their disguising,

745
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: so they'll drop. I think what a great example is

746
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: one of my favorite examples was Kyle Duggar's pick six

747
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: against Miami last year. They showed Cover zero pre snap,

748
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: it was Tampa two. After this snag right, they rotated

749
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: the entire Kyle Duggar rotated from the line of scrimmage

750
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: into the deep Tampa two hole and was formed to

751
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: cover two defense from what looked like zero.

752
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Speaker 1: The Eagles don't do that game you see anything.

753
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: That they They rotate their safeties, but they don't disguise

754
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: on that kind of level. But at the end of

755
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 2: the day, as we keep saying, easier said than done,

756
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: because the Eagles have a lot of a lot.

757
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Speaker 1: Of dogs, just go block Fletcher Cox one on one.

758
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: When I say a lot of dogs, yes, they have

759
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: a lot of Georgia bulldogs, but they also have they

760
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: also have a lot of dogs like they just also

761
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: have a lot of really good players, and that can

762
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Speaker 2: be problematic. All right, let's open up the phone lines

763
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Speaker 2: that we can discuss this matchup with you guys. There's

764
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: a couple more scheme things or you know, game plan

765
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: things that we want to get into, as well as

766
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: some matchups and things like that. But let's see what

767
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: the people have to say, Alex, let's start with Sean

768
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: and Vancouver. Sean, thanks for staying on hold. What's up, hey, Evan?

769
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Speaker 4: Now that's your Patriots offensive coordinator. I have some plays

770
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: that I want to run by you. When the Patriots

771
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 4: are first goal, I'd like to bring in a jumbo package,

772
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Speaker 4: try and rump the middle of it doesn't work, have

773
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 4: the same personnel, and go play action pass role option.

774
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Speaker 3: Right, what do you think?

775
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I appreciate the call, and yeah, if you

776
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: want to send plays into me, because I guess that's

777
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: the thing, And thanks Sean for the call. Evanlacraft se

778
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Speaker 2: dot com. There you go, send them in, send me

779
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: in the drawings, right, go draw them up and show

780
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: me what you got. You mentioned six offensive lineman at

781
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: one point. I actually really like that in this game

782
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: for a couple of reasons. One reason is, as I mentioned,

783
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: they play out of that too high shell. They can

784
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: be run on. I don't think that they're gonna change

785
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: what they do just because you bring a sixth offensive

786
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: lineman in the game. So I think you could really

787
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: open up in this game. First drive six offensive lineman

788
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: and run it pretty effectively. I think the other thing

789
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: is is that when you go six offensive line, you

790
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: think about it is short yardage or a game plan wrinkle, right,

791
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: Like those are the two different things that you think of.

792
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: They can dial up play action off of that, and

793
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: if Philly is gonna play zone, then they only need

794
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: three routes, right, Like, they don't need to put five

795
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: guys in the route if Philly's playing zone, because you

796
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: can just overload it to one side of the field.

797
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: So if you're playing cover three and you have the

798
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: flat defender and you have the Cover three the deep third,

799
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: if you run three receivers into that zone, it's two

800
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 2: gas two.

801
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Speaker 1: It goes back to that thing because it's like, you're

802
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: right with man, You've got to match the concepts because

803
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to manipulate defenders, manipulate space. You're not doing

804
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: that against zone because the defenders are going to do

805
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: what they're going to do. Yeah, and it goes back

806
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: to the thing where you kind of know where they're

807
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: gonna cover, where they're gonna not. You know where you're

808
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run guys to and get them open.

809
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: But you gotta be able to do it. Yeah, easier

810
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: said than.

811
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Speaker 2: Kansas City used a lot of flood concepts, so though

812
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: what they what I really liked about Kansas City's plan

813
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl is that they use a lot

814
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: of motion to cover the flat right, So they would

815
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: motion like Kadarius Tony or Sky Moore across the formation

816
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: and he would run a flat route and that would

817
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: hold the flat defender. Then the other side of the

818
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: formation that would run a vertical and then they would

819
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: just run like a flag pattern and fill it in

820
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: with Travis Kelcey and they're just they're just overloading the

821
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: zone on that side of the field, and then it's

822
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: just a simple high low read for Patrick Mahomes. If

823
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: the defender backs down off the flat and covers Kelsey

824
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 2: on the flag route, then you just throw the flat

825
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: and you just take their yards underneath.

826
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Speaker 1: The defence and they'll and if they give that to

827
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: you take it all day. And then we get down

828
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: on the red zone, you're on the football.

829
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 2: That's a profit. So uh, that's a that's a good point.

830
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: Six offensive line the goal line, six offensive line. I

831
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: don't I like that as well, especially because they're not

832
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: going to have a full back. It doesn't seem like

833
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: so I like them going six offensive line short yardage.

834
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: One nitpick on Sean's call. Don't love rolling the pocket

835
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: on the goal line. Don't like it because it shrinks

836
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: the space that you have.

837
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: To work I do think you need to roll. You

838
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: need to roll a little bit in this game. You

839
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: need to reset the pocket because again it don't do

840
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: it a lot, and not saying like designed bootlegs for

841
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: mac Jones, but when you move the pocket every once

842
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: in a while to another one of those things that

843
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: upsets the timing of the pass rush. But you can

844
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: do that between the twenties.

845
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: I just don't love of shrinking the field because the

846
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: shrink in the red zone, the field is already so condensed. Yeah,

847
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: so then when you start shrinking it now, all of

848
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're really only dealing with like a four

849
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: x four buds. I'm with you, that's my philosophy. Unless

850
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: you have a quarterback that's a threat to run it

851
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: in and you can just turn the turn the rollout

852
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: into a natural boot leg and score. Like you don't

853
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: need to be rolling out in the red zone. But

854
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: again I do hope they do some.

855
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: Rollouts at some point two or three couple, but just

856
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: give them one early so that the guys on on

857
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: that side of the line. It gives the defensive ends

858
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: something to think about. Hey, I can't get up field

859
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: too quick because if they roll it out behind me,

860
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm out of the play.

861
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: See. I like on the goal line. They ran a

862
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: lot of this in training camp, which I really like.

863
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: They have you know, two it's two by two, right,

864
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: so they have two receivers over here and two receivers

865
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: to his right, and they're usually in some sort of stack,

866
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: and it's two different route concepts of what they're running.

867
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: And then he just sign of looks at the structure

868
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: of the defense and then decides which side of.

869
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: The field to read which covery, you know, based on

870
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: the coverage? Am I going with with concept? Air concept?

871
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: Am I going left and right?

872
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: All right? John's in Louisiana. What's up?

873
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: John?

874
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: Hey? Hey, heaven offense the coordinator?

875
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Maybe we'll see.

876
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: But I want to go into the that you were

877
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: talking about. A lot of people aren't talking about that.

878
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: They loved Javon Hargrave. That's not gonna be an easier

879
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: place you get a rookie, But I mean, like Javon R.

880
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: And you're losing the guys. Who's the chunky. I think

881
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: we would be able to pass on them.

882
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I think we lost them.

883
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: I think that was the call. I'll say that they lost.

884
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: They lost Hargrave, who did have eleven sacks last year. Yeah,

885
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: they have two other guys returning to go to eleven

886
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick at sixteen. They also had a Jalen Carter,

887
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: who a lot of people thought was the most talented

888
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: player in the draft.

889
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Carter worries me and this guy'll.

890
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: They'll be fine without Javon Hargrave. You want to He's

891
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: a good player. But Carter Johnson maybe a little bit

892
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: of a tougher replacement. We got talking about this, they're

893
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: not if you can get it blocked, you're gonna get

894
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: guys open.

895
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just.

896
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: Gotta gotta get a blocked said done.

897
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson is is an interesting replacement. So they'd signed

898
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: Terrell Edmunds from the Steelers. Yeah, who's kind of like

899
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: a Kyle Duggar like safety nickel type of player. And

900
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: then they also have Avonte Maddox who can be more

901
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: of like a natural slot corner. And so those are

902
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: their two guys who replace Chauncey Gardner Johnson. But Johncey

903
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson is a really underrated player. He can play

904
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: safety and he can play nickel, and he's physical, So

905
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: he can hold up against the run as well, playing

906
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: closer to the line of scrimmage. That's a really key

907
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: role in the Fangio defense because you're playing out of

908
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: those lighter boxes and you're playing out a lighter personnel.

909
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: You need to have a nickel that's willing to stick

910
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: his hat in there in the run game. And Chauncey

911
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson was able to do that. So Terrell Edmonds

912
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: is a bigger, thicker guy. Like like I said, he's

913
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: kind of like a Kyle Duggart type, so I think

914
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: he should be able to do that as well. But

915
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: then it has a trickle down effect on their safety group.

916
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: Blaken Ship, right, is there are other safety Yeah, he's

917
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: not the kicker. No, he's a guy that didn't play

918
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: a ton last year. He's kind of like a rookie

919
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: that they liked last year and had a promising first season.

920
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: But they're putting a lot more on his plate this

921
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: year than what he had last year. So it's gonna

922
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: be interesting to see how that squares away. Patty is

923
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: an agua on Patty. What's going on?

924
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 5: What's going on?

925
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: Jen?

926
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know.

927
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 5: I said this on Rooks Show. Yesterday, Ivan, you had

928
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 5: already left. But I just have a good feeling about

929
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 5: this week. Not good enough that I think that they're

930
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 5: gonna win, but I think it's gonna be a lot

931
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 5: closer than people think. And I'm gonna give you two

932
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 5: guys that I think might have some surprising contributions. One

933
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: of them is Mike the Sickie. I think he mean,

934
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 5: I think it was you said I'm you earlier this

935
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 5: week that you know, probably the biggest weakness of the

936
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: Philadelphia defense in the middle of the field, their safeties.

937
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 5: So I wouldn't be surprised, you know. Phil O'Brian's not

938
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 5: a more hate to take pot shots, but he's no

939
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 5: Matt Patrician when it comes to offense, you know, so

940
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: I think he'll he'll know how to exploit that. And

941
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 5: the other guy who I think might have a sneaky

942
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 5: good game is Kayshaun Boody. I think, especially if DeVante

943
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 5: Parker is limited and he doesn't if he ends up

944
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: in active, I think one of those rookies you're gonna

945
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: see have a big game. And I don't think it's

946
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 5: gonna be top because I think, you know, I think

947
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 5: Booty's more you know, plays more of that X role,

948
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 5: not that he's in the mold of an X receiver,

949
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 5: but I think he's He's more in line to replace

950
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 5: DeVante Parker than Pop is. And that's all I got, guys,

951
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 5: let's freaking go.

952
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Patty. I love that. I

953
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: love that ending there, so quickly, let's start with Kasiki

954
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: and the tight ends I want. I did want to

955
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: talk about this. I definitely think the middle of the

956
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: field can be had against his Eagles pass defense. Neither

957
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: of the Patriots tight ends or Travis Kelcey. We know

958
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: that Kelsey had a good super Bowl against them, and

959
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: even though no one's Travis Kelcey and no one's gonna

960
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: do it as high of a level as Travis Kelcey,

961
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and Mi Kasiki aren't slatches. They're not talking

962
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: about bad tight ends, so they might, you know, if

963
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: Kelsey's out of ten, like, they might be executing it

964
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: at a seven. But a seven is still pretty good,

965
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: so I think that that can be an advantage for them.

966
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: I like to get a SICKI shout because I think

967
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: if you're going to run some of these zone beaters,

968
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: you do want somebody that is a little bit faster,

969
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: that can get into the voids a little bit quicker,

970
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: so they don't close, you know, they don't react to

971
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: it and close it. So I think that Kasiki could

972
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: have a pretty big role in this game. Kelsey ran

973
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, he ran the double move on the touchdown

974
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. I don't know if the Patriots

975
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: tight ends are going to run a double move.

976
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna The defensive line gives

977
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: them enough time to run double.

978
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah' fair too. I don't know if anybody's going to

979
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: run double moves as well as the Chiefs and Travis kelcey.

980
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: But Kelsey ran a lot of like post corners and

981
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: different types of things like dad crossing routes and then

982
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: the post corner off of it to play with their zones.

983
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: And I do think that Kasicki and Henry can do

984
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: that as well. Yeah, not at a Travis kelce level,

985
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: but at a lesser extent that's still productive.

986
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still at a high level. Absolutely.

987
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk a little bit about the offensive line.

988
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 2: I buried the offensive line forty minutes into the show.

989
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: I did a whole thing on them.

990
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: What are you talking about Well.

991
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: I didn't.

992
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. Like, I feel like we've ragged

993
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: on the offensive line enough, all right, So here's my

994
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: thing with the offensive line. I expect the offensive line

995
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: to be about as fully healthy as you can imagine

996
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: at this point. I think that they are going to

997
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: walk on the field on the first offensive play of

998
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: the game with from left to right, Trent Brown, Cole Strange,

999
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: David Andrews, Mike on Wentu, and Calvin Anderson.

1000
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: He makes if it's not Calvin Anderson, it's a guy

1001
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: who's played at most thirty three NFL snaps unless they're

1002
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: going to elevate James Ferris right down.

1003
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: So I think it will be Calvin Anderson as well.

1004
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: Here's the catch. The obviously Calvin Anderson again, Son Reddick

1005
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: or Josh wat is a mismatch. Yeah, itself like that.

1006
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: That's that's one catch to this. The other catch is

1007
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: that I don't think all those guys are gonna go

1008
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: wide or wire on Sunday. And it's supposed to be hot.

1009
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be humid on Sunday as well.

1010
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: I think it's supposed to rain, isn't it.

1011
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe in the morning I think if that's I'm

1012
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: worried about, like the rain happening and then the humidity hitting.

1013
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: Right like after the rain, I'm seeing rain like all

1014
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: day okay, but still very humid. So it's gonna be

1015
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be like they're opening Miami again.

1016
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be hot and it's gonna be humid.

1017
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: And my guess is that they're not gonna have all

1018
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: five guys go wire to wire.

1019
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: And on top of that, they usually don't in Week one.

1020
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: It's the whole extension of the preseason game. They keep guys,

1021
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: they like to rotate and get different looks early on.

1022
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: So last year they played seven linemen in Week one

1023
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: in Miami. I believe Brown. I think it was Brown

1024
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: Andrews on when who played wired to wire. So those

1025
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: three guys played the whole game strange in the right tackle,

1026
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: who is Isaiah Win at the time, Isaiah Win? I

1027
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: gave way a little bit to to Ynika just and

1028
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: then I think strange.

1029
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: Maybe it was Farens.

1030
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got in for strange. So I think that

1031
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna.

1032
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: See did Isaiah Win kick inside? No? I think it

1033
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: was okay, it would have been fair because they didn't

1034
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: play any They only played for interior alignment last year

1035
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: was on when who Andrew's strange inference that was that

1036
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: no other interior linement plays.

1037
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 2: So they're gonna play a little bit. I think they're

1038
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: gonna play seven or eight guys, I think in this game,

1039
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 2: and it might be different. And what I mean by

1040
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: that is I think Mafi is gonna be the backup guard.

1041
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: He might he might swing both ways though no pun

1042
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: intended pun, you know what I mean? Yeah, he might

1043
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: play left and right. So Cole Strange needs a blow,

1044
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: he goes into left on when who needs a blow?

1045
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 2: He goes in that when who goes to right tackle?

1046
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't think so, not yet, not yet. I think

1047
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: that that's a break class situation with who write tack.

1048
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Think against this Eagles front, you could see that it's possible.

1049
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: But I how I get to eight is I think

1050
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: Mafi's gonna play a little bit at guard for stringing

1051
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: on one. I think someone else is gonna play right tackle.

1052
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: I don't know who yet, but I think it's I'm

1053
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: gonna Darian Low maybe gets in there at right tackle.

1054
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: I think Tyrone Wheatley gets in as the sixth offensive line,

1055
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: So I think that that's how you get to eight.

1056
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: But don't expect I I Alex, you're one hundred percent

1057
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: right that they usually don't go the distance week one anyways,

1058
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: especially with a banged up group like this that hasn't

1059
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: practiced a whole lot this summer, I would expect a

1060
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: pretty significant rotation on the offensive line. I think you're

1061
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: gonna see a lot of bodies up there. Yeah, I'd

1062
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: agree with that, But do you feel how do you like?

1063
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: I guess where is your your your panic meter with

1064
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: the offensive line at this point? Because we both give me.

1065
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: Both I mean this I I gave I said that

1066
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: whole thing before, right about five players verse four players,

1067
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: and I can cole Strange basically hold up one on

1068
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: one against some of those guys. I don't feel great

1069
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: about that. I think Trent Brown, David Andrews, mikeel Winner,

1070
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get from those three guys,

1071
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: and those three guys should be pretty good. Everybody else,

1072
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: the other two spots, the backups that are going to

1073
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: rotate in cold Strange, you kind of have an idea.

1074
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: Everybody else here is a total unknown to me, because

1075
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: we literally didn't see any of them. Calvin the Anderson

1076
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: was not even cold strange, he didn't He took part

1077
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: in thirty minutes of a padded practice, didn't get into

1078
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: team drills and a padded practice, So we really don't

1079
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: know what his two year two jump looks like. Calvin

1080
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: Anderson was on NFI till practice is closed to the media,

1081
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: so we have no idea what he looks like. Vederian

1082
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: Lowe and Tyrone Wheatley just got here. You have rookies.

1083
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: It's a lot of unknowns. Yeah, that's you have two

1084
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: unknowns in the starting lineup and then pretty much unless

1085
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: they elevate Farens, which I don't think they're gonna do,

1086
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: not this week. All guys that really even played.

1087
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I feel better about the offensive line than

1088
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: I did ten days ago.

1089
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: And I think, all right, sorry, let me let me so.

1090
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: You said for the game in the season, So that

1091
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: was for the game for the season. So last year.

1092
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: I'll do PFF this time, not PFR, because they have

1093
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: the PFF number in my head. I go back and

1094
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: forth it whichever one better suits my argument. Right, that's

1095
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: the sports this. He's honest about it. Marine they were

1096
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: eleventh in the league last year in pressure rate allowed

1097
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: according to PFF, which you said, it's pretty good. It's

1098
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: all right, well, but like there's an offensive line shortage

1099
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: in the league. We've talked about this, so I don't know.

1100
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: This is why I don't like pressure rate, not to

1101
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: like go into the whole thing about it. But there's

1102
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: screens there.

1103
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Okay, But here's my point, Like, they weren't the worst

1104
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: offensive line in the league.

1105
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: No, they weren't.

1106
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't see whether you think they were the eleventh

1107
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: best if I think that's high. But yeah, I would

1108
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: say they were in the top twenty.

1109
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe twenty.

1110
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: Maybe twenty. But like they weren't atrocious compared.

1111
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: To They weren't.

1112
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: They weren't a complete But here's my point, they may

1113
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: not be better. I don't see how they get penny injury.

1114
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't see how they get worse because four of

1115
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: your five starters are the same. In that fifth spot

1116
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: right tackles, it's the same thing. It's just different names.

1117
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: You're still doing a rotation at right tackle. Last year

1118
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: it was Isaiah Winn, Yadnika, just Connor McDermott. Who am

1119
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: I missing? Yodney yeah, all four of those guys. Well,

1120
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Connor McDermott still here, but he's on IR. You're just

1121
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: replacing those guys with Calvin Anderson, Vederian Lowe, Tyrone, Wheatley

1122
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: and City. So yeah, that's it's the same. So it's

1123
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: the same thing. So I don't see how they get

1124
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: much worse. I don't think they're gonna be better, but

1125
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: I also don't think they're gonna be worse. I think

1126
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the same thing. And when they were

1127
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: healthy last year, they made it work. It wasn't great,

1128
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: but they made it work. If they can stay healthy,

1129
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: I think long term they have the ability to make

1130
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: it work. But there are some things they're gonna need

1131
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: to do to sort out, to build chemistry before they

1132
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: get up to that point, and having to face this

1133
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: defensive line in week one it doesn't exactly make that easy.

1134
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think that they're worse. I agree

1135
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: with you. I think Cole Strange in year two will

1136
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: be better. I think Mike on One and David Andrews

1137
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: are still good. And Trent's Trent. Like, Trent's not an

1138
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: elite left tackle. I don't even know if he's a

1139
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl left tackle at this point. Maybe he was

1140
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. I think that was really the only

1141
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 2: time he's touched that. But he's typically a serviceable left tackle.

1142
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 2: I this is not the show for it, and we'll

1143
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: have plenty of time to talk about this next offseason.

1144
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: They are looking for a left tackle next offseason. I

1145
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: wholeheartedly believe that. I know we're talking last year. I

1146
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: I know we have and I know we're talking a

1147
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: lot about right tackle. Right tackle is a lower floor

1148
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: position for them right now, but long term, Thanks for

1149
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: your service, Trent Brown, but it's time to move on

1150
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: and find something more stable.

1151
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: Mac Jones establishes himself as the guy, Yeah, they're I

1152
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: think it. Outside of Kyle Duggar, I think they're pretty

1153
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: good in terms of penning for agents. Yeah, you know

1154
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: they can afford to lose Josh Hues, it wouldn't be great,

1155
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: But same with Mike Gounwin, who just the way they've

1156
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: drafted the last couple of years. If mac Jones establishes

1157
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: himself as the guy, you got to get him a

1158
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: blind side protector and a number one target. Yeah that's

1159
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: one and two.

1160
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: Keep saying that, right, and you know you can you

1161
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: can go clip me saying that probably in twenty twenty one. Yeah, right, Regardless,

1162
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: I like their long term outlook along in the offensive line.

1163
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds a little bit contradictory some

1164
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: of the things I've said about the group in the past,

1165
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: but my whole thing was twofold one. I wanted to

1166
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: see the projected starting five actually healthy and out there

1167
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: and playing together before I panicked, right, like, we haven't

1168
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: seen That's fair, and forget about right tackle for a second.

1169
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 2: But we haven't seen Brown, Strange andrews On. We haven't

1170
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: seen that group.

1171
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: We haven't seen I mean, they didn't have both starting

1172
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: guards for a I don't think there was one open

1173
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: padded practice where they'd both starting guards.

1174
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: Now I know there wasn't, no, because my I want

1175
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: it was. It was on pup the whole time.

1176
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, like, either, what like every padded practice

1177
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: we saw this summer they had backups at both guard spots.

1178
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: You're saying outside of that that ten minutes before got

1179
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: hurt in the first one, which was basically stretched like

1180
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: the first competitive Revy til he got hurt, we saw

1181
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: him stretch. Yeah, doesn't tell you a lot about your twol.

1182
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: So that's why I've I've that's my my holding out

1183
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 2: hope about the group, right is that Okay, we really

1184
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: haven't seen the group, like we're panicking.

1185
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: You know what this is. It's the same logic I

1186
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: used for my two kicker. Take until you have a

1187
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: reason to disbelieve it, you can't. You can't disbelieve it.

1188
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: Fine, but we were panicking in the preseason, myself included

1189
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: about city. So and you know these guys that, right,

1190
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: aren't it are a really big time factor.

1191
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: But I think but I maybe I was alone in this.

1192
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: My panic in that was we're not that far away

1193
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: from these guys playing.

1194
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. We don't have to worry about that,

1195
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: hopefully this week, but we're not that far away long term.

1196
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: The other reason why I'm not as concerned about their

1197
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: law term outlook is I think that Bill O'Brien and

1198
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: I the jury for me is still out. On Adrian Clem.

1199
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: I feel the same way that I feel in some

1200
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: respects about the quarterback as I do about Adrian Klem.

1201
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: I think Mac Jones can play, Okay, I think Adrian

1202
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: Clem can coach the offensive line, but do. I can

1203
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: I sit here and know for definitively for a fact

1204
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: that Adrian Klem is a good offensive line coach and

1205
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: Mac Jones is a franchise quarterback. No, I can't. I

1206
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 2: can't say that. Right is very sadly, But I think

1207
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: Adrian Clem will have that group ready to go and

1208
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: we'll be okay offensive line. And I this is a

1209
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: scarnekism that I stole from him. So this is not

1210
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: like some words of wisdom from me. Yeah, Scarnekie always

1211
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: talks about how that's the one group on the field

1212
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 2: where it's all about all five guys being on a string.

1213
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: You can punch above your weight if you have all

1214
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: five guys on a string on the offensive page. Yeah,

1215
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: if you're picking up blitzes together, and you're sliding together,

1216
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 2: and you're conboying or double teaming blocks together, you can

1217
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: do it with lesser talent.

1218
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: This is these seeing it through the same eyes concept.

1219
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: Yes, you can do it with lesser talent. You can.

1220
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: So if right tackles an issue, but Calvin Anderson and

1221
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: Mike on Winnu and David Andrews on the right side

1222
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 2: of things, they got it buttoned up, then it will

1223
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: be a lot cleaner than just Calvin Anderson being an

1224
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: anchor to the whole group. So that's the difference between

1225
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: this year and last year to me is they have

1226
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: pre snap ability now to change protections and get the

1227
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: protections in the right order, and that's going to be

1228
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: mostly ninety percent of that's going to be on the

1229
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: quarterback and the other ten percent will be on Andrews.

1230
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: And they have a lot better fundamental understanding of just

1231
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: the fundamentals, the basic principles of the offense, and that

1232
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: I think will hopefully make this group better than the

1233
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 2: sum of its parts, right like.

1234
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: It, Well, it doesn't feel like that's what their plan was. Yeah,

1235
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: they're investing. We were waiting for them to invest in

1236
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: a tackle and instaid. They invested in the coach to

1237
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: elevate the players they had.

1238
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a big difference when it comes to

1239
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: protection calls. Most of the Patriots' protection calls that aren't

1240
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 2: play action or seventies protections, they call them and they

1241
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: have different you know, they'll call different numbers in the

1242
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: seventies and that's a different type of protection and that

1243
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: ability to come to the line of scrimmage. David Andrews

1244
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 2: will call out the front right, He'll say four down,

1245
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: three down, something like that, and then to be able

1246
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: to adapt pre snap to what exactly the defense is

1247
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 2: showing you to get it blocked properly. They weren't doing

1248
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: stuff like that last year. They were coming to the

1249
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and snapping the ball and whatever happened

1250
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: happened right like that was the approach. Unfortunately last year.

1251
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a little bit different, and I

1252
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: think that's gonna help them a lot. So I'm not

1253
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: concerned about like the long term outlook. With that being said,

1254
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: this game on Sunday does have the potent. The look

1255
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: kind of rough, yes, and we have to grow with

1256
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: the growing paints. You know, it's gonna be it could

1257
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: be tough. This is the best pass rush in the

1258
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: NFL by a country mile.

1259
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: This is so I looked this up earlier. Not only

1260
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: did the best pass rush in the NFL, it's seventy

1261
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: sacks last year, It's tied for third most by a

1262
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: team in NFL history. Yeah, do you know how many

1263
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: times a team has had more than sixty sacks in

1264
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: a season since two thousand No? Three? The two thousand Saints, Yeah,

1265
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: which is kind of random.

1266
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very rare.

1267
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: The two thousand and six Chargers, who it's like the

1268
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: Chaine Merriman those teams were filthy, and then the Eagles

1269
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: last year. That's so there's a bunch of teams in

1270
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: there in like the in the eighties and nineties that

1271
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: had like sixty something sacks, but since two thousand only

1272
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: two teams and neither of those teams reached the seventies.

1273
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: It's sixty and sixty six for the Saints and Chargers. Yeah,

1274
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: Eagles got to seventy. This isn't just the best pass

1275
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: rush in the league. This is the best pass rush

1276
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: the NFL is seen in probably two decades. Yeah, definitely

1277
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: in built. Let's put this way, this is the best

1278
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: pass rush Bill Belichick has ever faced. It had uh

1279
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: as the head coach of the Patriots of the I.

1280
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: Almost very dramatic.

1281
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: Well, no, because I remember he was to coaching the

1282
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever faced the Giants when

1283
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: he was the head coach of the Browns, but if

1284
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: you faced the.

1285
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: Tale, that's so don't put anybody in Lawrence.

1286
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: That's what. But that's why I caught myself this is

1287
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: the best pass rush, and it's that Bill Belichick has

1288
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: ever faced as the head coach of the Patriots.

1289
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that is a very good rush.

1290
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: As much as I picked on them for being vanilla

1291
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: in their pass rush, they can be because that's the

1292
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: thing right now they have.

1293
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: The Patriot I mean, they did it more on They

1294
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: did it the times on defense, the twenty fourteen defenses

1295
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: like this, but they did this on offense. You know

1296
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: when you had Brady Moss, Welk or those teams were

1297
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: even like the Edelman Gronk teams. Yeah, you pretty much

1298
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: knew what they were gonna do. It wasn't really a secret.

1299
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: Uh the drive against the Chiefs, everybody knew what those

1300
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: third down play calls were. Everybody. Yeah, they're they're either

1301
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: going up to see them to Gronk or they're they're

1302
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: hitting Edelman on the end. Yeah, we knew it. They

1303
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: knew it, The Chiefs knew it, the fans knew it.

1304
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: And what did they do They went up the field

1305
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: doing it. Why because they were just better.

1306
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna execute, putting in it by the end.

1307
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: No no, no, But but just as as a cop, yeah,

1308
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: I know, I kind of got off throws. But that's

1309
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: sort of what the Eagles defense is. We know they're

1310
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: gonna put four guys hands in the dirt. Yeah, arebody

1311
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: else gonna drop back in the coverage're gonna but four

1312
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: guys hands in the dirt, and they're not gonna run

1313
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: around and twist, and they're gonna come right at you.

1314
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: We know it, they know it. But can you be

1315
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: better than them? Can you stop them from doing it?

1316
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: Because most people can't.

1317
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: Okay, So I got some other personnel questions for you,

1318
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: because we've we've we've talked to scheme through. I like

1319
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: that part of our of what we've done here. We

1320
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: we we've covered our bases there. Let's talk about some

1321
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: of the guys that are gonna play in some of

1322
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: the combinations we might see elsewhere besides the offensive line.

1323
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: Start in the backfield. This is interesting to all the

1324
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: fantasy people out there, So you canot.

1325
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna say it's interesting, interesting to you, please.

1326
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: And we're gonna we can talk about this, uh, you know,

1327
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: for all the fantasy people out there. Ormandra, steven Zeke Elliott,

1328
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: do you, first of all, do you believe Ormandre that

1329
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: he actually has no idea how they're gonna rotate them

1330
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: on Sunday.

1331
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: Mmmm, live omission.

1332
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. I I think that's a half truth.

1333
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: Can we see that? That's God, that's the term I

1334
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: was looking for.

1335
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1336
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, half truth.

1337
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: Anyways, he doesn't he doesn't know who's getting the first snap,

1338
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: but he knows who's going out for what package and whatever.

1339
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: So how do you see them using Remondre and Zeke?

1340
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: I would so some of this is like how far

1341
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: along a Zeke in the playbook? Yeah, if let's just

1342
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: assume for sex Zeke's fully caught up and he's good

1343
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: to go in the full playbooks available. I would love

1344
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: to see them go back to what they did before

1345
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: time on Gmer got hurt last year and split it

1346
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: by drive instead of by situations.

1347
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: So you don't care if who's on the path field

1348
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: on a passing play, run play. You just want them

1349
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: to go drive by drive.

1350
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like that better. I think there's less tells.

1351
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: I think it the backs they have. It makes the

1352
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: most of their skill sets. You have two well rounded backs,

1353
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: like I want Ramondre on the field in both situations.

1354
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: I want Zeke on the field and both situations. That's it.

1355
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 3: Now.

1356
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I go one for one. I'm probably

1357
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: going like for every two Remandre drives Zeke or something

1358
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: like that. The other wrinkle in this and I don't

1359
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: know if you want to get in this later, but

1360
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: I kind of need to bring it up now for

1361
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: this take. If we're gonna do who are we thinking

1362
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: for practice squad elevations? Zappi is gonna be one. I

1363
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: can't imagine Mac Crowl's ready. Okay, so Zapi's one. I'm

1364
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: looking at Time Montgomery, yep.

1365
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: And I'm surprised Time Montgomery's not on the fifty three

1366
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: men round.

1367
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit too. And some of what we

1368
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: talked about earlier in terms of all right, this quick

1369
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: pass stuff, the screens, where can you beat the Eagles

1370
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: in coverage? Their linebackers are not great coverage linebackers you're

1371
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: gonna have if you're gonna have an ability to throw

1372
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: the ball to the running back in this game. Like

1373
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: I said, the other two guys can do it. Ramondres

1374
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 1: he can do it that like two minute drill where

1375
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: you really gotta get going. Time Montgomery is still the

1376
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: best receiving back on the roster agree when he's healthy.

1377
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: So I to me, it's like two here's how I

1378
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: would do it by drive two Remandree drives for every

1379
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: Zeke drive. Okay, but when you get into the two

1380
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: minute give me time Montgomery okay.

1381
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: So I I'm similar, I maybe would just break it.

1382
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: I personally, I still feel like Zeke is here to

1383
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 2: be Damien Harris, like what they envision the split between

1384
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: her Madre and Damien Harris being before Damien Harris got banged.

1385
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1386
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: You don't think that they're gonna take advantage of what

1387
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't pass pro. You don't think that's especially we

1388
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: just talked about all that on the offensive line. You

1389
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: don't Dan Harris didn't do any of that.

1390
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: I do to respect, but maybe not in the same

1391
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 2: way that other people do. Where I think he's gonna

1392
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: be playing on third down. I think what they're gonna

1393
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: do with Zeke and pass pro is we can run

1394
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 2: play action and then Zeken blitz scan after we run

1395
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 2: the fake and pick guys up late, okay, and try

1396
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: to keep Mac clean that way. And I also think

1397
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: that if they get certain personnel on the field, it

1398
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: might be a situation where they're in run personnel, but

1399
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: they actually throw out a run personnel and then Zeke

1400
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: becomes either a block or a receiver. To that respect,

1401
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: I still feel like third down is going to come

1402
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: down to Remandre or Thy Montgomery. I just feel like

1403
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: Remandre is too in tune with the quarterback to take

1404
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: him off the field on third down.

1405
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know. We don't know where Zeke's at

1406
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: with Mac.

1407
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: We don't, but I know that him and Ramandre have

1408
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: a great report. Okay, that's fair, and that's where I

1409
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 2: worry about anybody but Remandre being on third down because

1410
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if it's third and three,

1411
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: it's third and four and he needs that. James White, Yeah,

1412
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: I still think that he feels the most comfortable with

1413
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: it being Remandre. That might not necessarily mean that I

1414
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: think Montgomery is a quicker, better route runner than Remandre is,

1415
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: but in terms of chemistry and continuity, I think Mac

1416
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: likes throwing the ball to Ramandre Stevens.

1417
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to see Remonder playing seventy

1418
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: percent of the Stamps again.

1419
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: I don't think I will, really. I don't think the

1420
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: way that they're going to cut into his workload is

1421
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: going to be on first and second down. I think

1422
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: with Zeke and him will trade off first and second

1423
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: down carries and then Remandre will play on third. Now

1424
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: I also agree that I feel like Time Montgomery will

1425
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 2: be elevated from the practice squad and play a role

1426
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: in this game. The one other thing that I thought of,

1427
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 2: you know, just from a game plan standpoint, everybody always

1428
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: throws tempo out there like it's this cure all, like

1429
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: let's run, hurry up, and it's gonna fix all of

1430
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: our problems and every I actually do think that there

1431
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: is some advantage of it in this game simply because

1432
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 2: the Eagles, Uh, they run what they run out of

1433
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: certain personnel packages. So if you have certain groupings on

1434
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: the field for them defensively, you're kind of gonna know

1435
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: what defensive structure they're going to be in.

1436
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: And if you get a look that you know you

1437
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: can be, you can force them essentially to.

1438
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: Stay in that look. So that's where I think Time

1439
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: Montgomery's role could play into this game is if they

1440
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: do want to hit a drive where they hit the

1441
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 2: NASCAR package as Josh McDaniels used to call it, and

1442
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: and run some hurry up time Montgomery. He can play

1443
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: flexed out and he can play out of the backfield. Yeah,

1444
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 2: and it gives them a kind of a Swiss army knife,

1445
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 2: Like I love you What position is he is? He

1446
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: running back? Is your receiver.

1447
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the game to do it,

1448
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: just because of the Eagles front and what it is.

1449
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not opposed to some two running back

1450
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: sets this year, as long as I don't think you

1451
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: need remondering Sea that's another thing in time, But like, yeah,

1452
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: where where you have Montgomery? Montgomery? But like he's you know,

1453
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: he's a receiver. You know he's gonna go line up

1454
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: in the spot. You know he's gonna go run arount.

1455
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: But the other team doesn't know that when you're in

1456
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: the huddle. So I wouldn't be opposed seeing them do

1457
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,959
Speaker 1: some of that. I just in this game, I feel

1458
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: like the Eagles are they can handle something like that.

1459
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, when you get to a team like the Jets.

1460
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: I think when you get to a team like the Raiders,

1461
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: if Montgomery is still healthy by then, seeing some of

1462
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: that stuff would be would would make I know you

1463
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: hate twenty one.

1464
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: I do mainly twenty. The main reason why, and and

1465
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: you know everybody that is listening probably has hurt it

1466
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: as Pony most of the time. The two running backs.

1467
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: There's two things that don't typically statistically bear out the

1468
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: way people think.

1469
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: Here comes offensive coordinator revels.

1470
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: Are hurry up is one. Everybody thinks that you run

1471
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: hurry up and it solves all your problems, right like

1472
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: you just run tempo, no huddle, Oh, don't worry about it.

1473
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: This is gonna fix everything. It seldom does the US thought.

1474
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: The other thing that is hasn't been statistically productive is pony.

1475
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: Like they even going back to Brady with like Rex

1476
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: Burkehead and James White, they would do it a little bit. Statistically,

1477
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't yield results, Like it's not an efficient package.

1478
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: Is Bill O'Brien different? And can he get more out

1479
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: of it than somebody else could? Like we'll see.

1480
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: Like maybe that's why I also think Time Montgomery's a

1481
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: unique player in this because it's not he's not really

1482
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: a running back.

1483
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 2: What I love about Time Montgomery is that we know

1484
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 2: O'Brien loves empty. Yes, you know we're gonna see some

1485
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: empty And what they can do is they can go

1486
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: they can be run personnel, or they could be empty

1487
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: and they can blur the lines.

1488
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I met.

1489
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: So if they get them like a nickel and they

1490
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: like the grouping that they have out there to pass

1491
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: the ball, they can go five wide empty against their

1492
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 2: base nickel front. Then they can run the ghetto under

1493
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: center and run the ball on the next play right

1494
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: like and they can go back and forth like that,

1495
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 2: which can be really helpful.

1496
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying I think you can pound that

1497
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: because Ramondre can line up. I mean he's not the

1498
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: receiver Time Montgomery is, but he can line up outside

1499
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: the formation. And if you come out with Remandre and

1500
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: Time Montgomery, you can you could come out. You know.

1501
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: The one I've really talked to, and this is me

1502
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: getting a little ahead of myself and getting a little excited,

1503
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: is twenty two with Time Montgomery Mi Kasiki, Because do

1504
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: you have two tight ends, two running backs? Is it

1505
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: really eleven with Mike Kasiki playing wide receiver and Time

1506
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: Montgomery playing receiver? Like, Yeah, you can come out if

1507
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: you have Mike Kasiki and Time Montgomery in the huddle,

1508
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: you can come out and goal line, you can come

1509
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 1: out in five wide.

1510
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm hoping they're gonna be able to

1511
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: do because so much of what I want to talk

1512
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 2: about their receivers Depson who he think is going to

1513
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: play there, they don't have We know this, and we

1514
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: don't have to beat a dead horse, but they don't

1515
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 2: have an aj Brown or DeVante's But they don't even

1516
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: have one of those guys. And Eagles have too, right, Like,

1517
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: they don't have one of those guys. But what O'Brien's

1518
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: really effective at doing is using personnel and formations to dictate,

1519
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,440
Speaker 2: you know, to find openings and create openings and defenses.

1520
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: And so there's a big advantage I think to their

1521
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:26,520
Speaker 2: twelve personnel package quote unquote with Hunter, Henry and Kasiki

1522
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 2: and Ormandre. That can be empty or that can be

1523
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 2: under centered traditional twelve right, and you just don't know

1524
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: the difference until you see it, and that I think

1525
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 2: can be effective. Talking about the receivers, we know Devonte

1526
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: Parker's dealing with the knee injuries on the injury report yesterday.

1527
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 2: With that, so we know officially that it's a knee

1528
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: that's been hurting him. But let's just for argument's sake,

1529
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 2: because we don't. We don't know. You can't have a

1530
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 2: crystal ball and know if DeVante Parker is going to

1531
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: be one hundred percent, is going to play whatever, What

1532
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: do you expect to see the most used receivers to

1533
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: be I think is the best way to put it.

1534
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: And then there's that whole thing about ju Jusney too.

1535
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm not worried about ju Jusney.

1536
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: I don't know about I'll just say this, it's Kendrick

1537
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: Borne time. He was the best receiver this summer. He's healthy.

1538
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: He you talk about the chemistry with Mac. It's nothing

1539
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 1: against Juju or Parker, but he's been here the longest.

1540
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: We know him and Mac get along. Well, give me

1541
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: Kendrick Borne in this game. Give me a full dose

1542
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:21,839
Speaker 1: of kenrin.

1543
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: You had to guess, if you had to guess when

1544
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: we get the snap counts on Monday morning, who is one, two,

1545
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 2: three out of the receiver.

1546
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: I think just if park let me. I need to

1547
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: see the injury report today, but I do think there's

1548
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: clearly something going on with Parker. They're gonna be president.

1549
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: I think Juju is still number one because that's just

1550
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: they paid him, and he's the slot guy. But like,

1551
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be in the high nineties. Yeah,

1552
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: I think a percentage in terms of percentage, right, sad percentage.

1553
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: I think Bourne could end up high eighties. Loan nineties

1554
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: you have me too, and then Parker probably comes in

1555
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: somewhere around seventy sixty seventy how much of the rookies

1556
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: Tomorrio Douglas probably guy that gets a handful of snaps

1557
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: called ten f teen snaps, maybe a specific package like

1558
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: he'll all be in the same formation. Kaishan Boody to me,

1559
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: is still the somebody's got to get hurt for him

1560
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: to get on the field significantly. He'll play on special

1561
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: teams and maybe he gets a snap or two here

1562
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 1: or there, but it's nothing against him as a player.

1563
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: We've talked about this to Mario. Douglas gives them something

1564
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: they don't otherwise have in speed. I as good as

1565
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: Kaishon Boody looks like potential wise, he doesn't give them

1566
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: anything they don't have between Juju and Bourn, and his

1567
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: game is still got to grow a little bit to

1568
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: catch those guys.

1569
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just.

1570
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: Don't see where he plays.

1571
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be Juju and Bourn will be

1572
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: your clear cut one and two. Yeah, mainly because Parker's hurt.

1573
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 2: But I think when Parker gets back in there, it

1574
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: might be Juju Parker Born.

1575
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: So I will say this to the callers point with

1576
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: Kayshan Boody playing, if Parker does get hurt like he

1577
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: can't play, I do think those snaps go to Kaishaan

1578
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: Booty before to Mario Douglas. I think Tomrio Douglas's role

1579
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: is what it is. It's not gonna change. They're not

1580
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna like it's all right, this is your package, this

1581
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: is your route tree, whereas Kaishan Bouti is the guy

1582
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: if you lose one of those top three. Now the

1583
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: callers said Kaishan Booty at the X, I actually think

1584
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: it's Kendrick Born at the X, Kaishan Booty at the Z.

1585
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: If DeVante Parker can't go, or maybe they mix and match, um,

1586
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: maybe they rotate it. But that's how I would do it.

1587
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: But that to me is how if Parker's injury is

1588
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: worse than we think, that's how Kaishan Budi gets on

1589
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: the field.

1590
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: I agree with you that I think Tomorrow Douglas they

1591
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: have a very specific role in mind for him. My

1592
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: guess is it's gonna be mostly third down and maybe

1593
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: some gadget style plays out of RPO.

1594
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: I'll say say, mostly third down. I love him as

1595
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: a drive starter, r pod drive star. Well, it can

1596
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:36,919
Speaker 1: be RPOs.

1597
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 2: It can be because I'm running the show now, so oh.

1598
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: I RPOs some of that orbit motion stuff they did

1599
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: with market Shillings last year. I don't know. I like

1600
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 1: him as a drive call it a gut instinct. I

1601
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: don't really have a full take behind it, but I

1602
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: like him as a drive star to get the ball

1603
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: in his hands right away. And you know, eagles come out,

1604
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: they think they know what they're looking at, they get

1605
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: in their set and then all of a sudden, boom,

1606
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: here's this and then you have that in the back

1607
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: of your head.

1608
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 2: So last thing on the receivers, then I I want

1609
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: to talk about the CB matchups as well, and then

1610
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: we have one more call to get to here so

1611
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 2: we can do this.

1612
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 1: And then Brady, Oh yeah, I'm Brady.

1613
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: We can do it. We got fifteen minutes to full

1614
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 2: this out.

1615
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: Let's go.

1616
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: So first thing, last receiver take here, because I think

1617
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 2: we're in lockstep on the guys that are on the

1618
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 2: fifty three men roster. This also depends on how they

1619
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: feel about Matt Corral, But if Parker is limited or out.

1620
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: I think with a thyroc pits take no.

1621
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I think there's a chance that Jalen Rager is

1622
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 2: elevated from the practice squad and plays.

1623
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: Hmm.

1624
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance.

1625
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because he's got to play against

1626
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: his forward team. O Adam Schefter, I'm not Schefter was

1627
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: all hyped about that.

1628
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: I'm not going to revenge game.

1629
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: Okay.

1630
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 2: What I'm going with is based off of last year's film,

1631
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: and I know they have a new defensive coordinator and

1632
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 2: some new faces and YadA YadA YadA. Motion against the

1633
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: Eagles defense works. They have trouble with most.

1634
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: Which is weird because that's normally something that's tougher for

1635
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: man teams than zone teams.

1636
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 2: They have all sorts of kinds of problems with motion.

1637
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 2: And we know in the Super Bowl they'd scored wide

1638
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: open touchdowns and everybody went googo gaga over Andy Reid

1639
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 2: because he discovered return motion, which was Steve car Sarkesian's

1640
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 2: discovery at Alabama. But that's besides the.

1641
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: Point, Well, know that that ties in because that's Steve

1642
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: Sarkisian at Alabama with Mac Challenge. Yeah, if we're gonna

1643
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 1: see Alabama, Mac, you're gonna see some of that.

1644
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: So the one thing, well, other than like you know,

1645
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 2: clearing out coverage that Jalen Rager can just like run

1646
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 2: in a straight line really fast and clear out the coverage.

1647
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1648
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 2: The one thing that I think that he can be

1649
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 2: effective at on an NFL field is motion, like whether

1650
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 2: it's jet motion you mentioned orbit which is like end

1651
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: around style motion, or throwing him screens or handing the

1652
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 2: ball off to him off of motion. He's effective at

1653
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 2: that and I think that they can get the Eagles

1654
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: on it. So I think that there's a world where

1655
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: that's Pop Douglas and they just give that opportunity to

1656
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas. But in the preseason, Pop Douglas hurt himself

1657
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: on a screen, right, so.

1658
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: He wasn't on the injury report. I hope they don't

1659
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: bury Pop douglast for Jalen Rager for everything we went

1660
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: through this summer, that would be disappointed.

1661
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: I don't think they will, but I think that there's

1662
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: a chance that the Chiefs use Kadarius Tony and Sky Moore.

1663
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: I think that there's a chance that the Patriots might

1664
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: try to hit them with a ton of motion and

1665
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: have both Pop Douglas and Jalen Rager in their back

1666
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,759
Speaker 2: pocket in case they need Reager to do it too. Yeah,

1667
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: and so I think it's possible that if Parker is

1668
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: elimited or out and they feel okay about Matt Corrall

1669
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 2: being the quarter backup quarterback, that Jalen Rager and Time Montgomery.

1670
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: Spin this another way. What if they feel they don't

1671
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 1: need Time Montgomery, then it could then that too. I

1672
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: almost feel like that's more realistic because he they used

1673
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 1: him as much as a receiver as it is a

1674
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: running back. And I wonder if they'd flip that and say,

1675
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: all right, this is going to be because he's not

1676
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: going to run out of the backfield Rager. But it's

1677
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: like the same sort of skill set a little bit. Yep,

1678
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: So I elevating Rager and Montgomery to me would be

1679
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: a little weird.

1680
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So maybe it's Mong it's Rager and Zappy at

1681
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 2: that point, yeah, or somebody else your thing.

1682
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be your way to I just

1683
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't.

1684
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: Think they're going to test the Eagles with motion, and

1685
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: I think that that's like the one thing I saw

1686
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 2: Rayyer do at a decent level from last year. All

1687
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 2: let's take this call and then we'll wrap it all. Right,

1688
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 2: Mark is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark Evan? What's going on? Guys?

1689
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Mike Evans.

1690
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 5: What is your thoughts on bringing in Mike Evans?

1691
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: Because I think he's.

1692
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 4: Better than d Hop and he obviously wants out of Tampa.

1693
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 2: It's a fair question. And thanks for the call, Mark, Uh,

1694
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: I do it?

1695
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: I do it. I wouldn't give him an extension.

1696
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, see that. I don't know.

1697
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: I take him as a rental for the year and

1698
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: say what, we're going to throw you one hundred and

1699
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 1: fifty passes and you're gonna get your value up and

1700
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: you'll go cash in free agency. I'd give up. I

1701
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: I'd give up a like Top one hundred picking up myke.

1702
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give up a first So I give up

1703
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: a top one hundred picking up Mike Evans.

1704
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 2: Right now, Mike Evans I is no longer at the

1705
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 2: peak of his powers.

1706
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: No, but he's still really good.

1707
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 2: He's good. But my concern with him at this point.

1708
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: He's a far more durable DeVante Parker at this point

1709
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: to me, and that the durability is a factor. Like,

1710
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 2: don't get me. I'm not belittling or downplaying the fact

1711
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 2: that Mike Evans being able to be out there for

1712
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 2: seventeen games makes a big difference than Devonte Parker being

1713
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 2: in and out of the lineup. But from a skill

1714
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: set perspective, both of those guys don't separate a ton anymore.

1715
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: Both of those guys don't run by people a ton anymore.

1716
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: Mike Evans still pretty hard to tackle. It's more running

1717
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: through guys than running by guys.

1718
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking about as a road runner, Like he's not.

1719
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: He's not a separator. He never really was, but now

1720
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 2: it's got as he's agent's obviously he can still play.

1721
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: He can still dictate card.

1722
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be contradictory because, like I said that,

1723
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 2: I wanted DeAndre Hopkins so badly, and it's it's they're

1724
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 2: both in similar spots in there.

1725
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: Ever, better Evans better than Hopkins at this point?

1726
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: I think Evans might. He's more durable, for sure.

1727
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: I think he's better. It goes back to your thing

1728
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: about the Tuesday morning meeting. Is Mike Evans the guy

1729
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna draw. How would you give up?

1730
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: Because I think that it's going to take less than

1731
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: people think. If he does end up on the trade.

1732
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: Block we had, can I do it for a third

1733
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: round pick?

1734
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: I think you would win the bidding war for a

1735
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 2: third round pick. I think that's the highest was going

1736
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: to be. So he's a because if his years accrued

1737
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: in the league, the best compick they can get for

1738
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: him is a fifth That's just the way the formula one.

1739
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 2: So the best convict that they can get for him

1740
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 2: is a fifth round compick. So if he he's a

1741
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 2: free agent at the end of the year. So if

1742
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 2: he just leaves in free agency next year, the Bucks

1743
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: are only getting a fit. So a fourth might get

1744
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 2: it done. And I know that that sounds crazy because

1745
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 2: of his resume and his pedigree in the league, But

1746
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 2: look at the other trades for veteran receivers at that

1747
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: time in their careers. DeAndre Hopkins got nothing, Amari Cooper

1748
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 2: got what like a fifth I think it was.

1749
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: He went for a lot. He went for too much.

1750
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: Was that the thing with him to Cleveland?

1751
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: I thought they gave up like a second and a fifth.

1752
01:17:58,320 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 2: Oh did they really? I thought it was.

1753
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 1: But I'll part of it was the new contract. I

1754
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: would trade for Mike Evans under the understanding that he's

1755
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: not getting a new contract all right. Oh no, you're right.

1756
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: It was a fifth and a sixth swap. I don't

1757
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: know who I'm thinking.

1758
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not much right now for the veteran receiver.

1759
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm overpaying with a third, I still do it.

1760
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: You need to beat a fifth, right, because they're gonna

1761
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: get a fifth just from letting him walk.

1762
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: You need to beat a fifth. So everybody's gonna offer

1763
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: a fourth. So you offer a third. Yeah, maybe, and

1764
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: you get like a sixth back or something and there

1765
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: you go.

1766
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's where I would do it.

1767
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: I would do it. I would absolutely do it. But

1768
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: I but I would not if he would he hold out,

1769
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't do it. If he's expecting an extension, right,

1770
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm not giving it, but for this year to maximize

1771
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: mac Jones, to take some of the attention away from

1772
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: these other wide receivers. Yes, but if if he's like,

1773
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: all right, well, if you're in a trade for me,

1774
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: I need an extension, or I'm not gonna suit up.

1775
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: All right, cool, hanging up the phone. I'm done.

1776
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: We're done here, Okay, cornerback matchups. Yes, I'm gonna say this,

1777
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: And I don't know how you feel about it. I

1778
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: haven't even talked to you about this.

1779
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: I have a weird take on this too, so this

1780
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: will be interesting.

1781
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,839
Speaker 2: I'm throwing Christians.

1782
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I have the exact opposite take.

1783
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm throwing them to the wolves.

1784
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't take is you?

1785
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: This bothers me and it goes back to the fangio

1786
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 2: thing and we don't have enough time for me to

1787
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 2: rant about this. But it goes back to the like

1788
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: you drafted the guy in the first round, you really

1789
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: really like the guy. He's shown all the the the

1790
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: checked all the boxes to this point in his rookie campaign,

1791
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 2: he's ready to go. What are you hiding him for?

1792
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: Like?

1793
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: What are you protecting him from?

1794
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: So, I honestly, just aside from that, I don't think

1795
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: you need to. I don't think you need to throw

1796
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: him to the to the I almost said to the bills.

1797
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: They'll throw them to the bills. That's gonna happen.

1798
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: I think they need to. Why two reasons.

1799
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: You're you're talking about him on an island with AJ Brown,

1800
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about him covering or him on an island,

1801
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't meet him on an island.

1802
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 2: I would I would not say on an island. I

1803
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: think that that's putting a little bit too much of

1804
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 2: like it's oversimplified. But I here's why I don't think

1805
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 2: you can scheme around on this game plan, being like

1806
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: we need to protect Christian zone.

1807
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: Okay, No, and I don't think you need to do

1808
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: that either. But here's there's one very obvious matchup here

1809
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: when you're putting it together. Jonathan Jones on Davanta Smith. Ye,

1810
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: that to me is so the whole thing their philosophy

1811
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna put Do you think they truly view gonzalz

1812
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: is like their number one corner? Do you think there's

1813
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: some flexibility in that at this point?

1814
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: I think that they view it as body type. The

1815
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 2: body type, Okay, so perfect. So Jonathan Jones on DeVante Smith.

1816
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: That's the guy you're leaving alone. That's the guy you're

1817
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 2: saying you take him out now. I'm going Christian goan

1818
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: Zalz on AJ Brown with help Marcus Jones in the

1819
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: slot because the Eagle slot receivers suck. Honestly, it's gonna

1820
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 2: be mostly Davante Smith, and we've already established as Jonathan Jones.

1821
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 2: If it's DeVante Smith in the slot, then it's Jack

1822
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 2: Jones on the other corner. If Davante Smith's on the boundary,

1823
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 2: then it's again Jonathan Jones on the slot. And you're

1824
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: you know, you're mixing Jack Jones in with Christian Zalz

1825
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 2: throw different looks and then Jalen Mills on Dallas god Okay,

1826
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 2: so I agree with Jamn Mills on Dallas Goddard. Yeah,

1827
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 2: I think we're in similar places. I think the Eagles

1828
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 2: are gonna play a ton of twelve in this game,

1829
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 2: and I think that the Patriots should match it with

1830
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 2: three or four safeties on the field.

1831
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you don't. Then you take Marcus Jones out

1832
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: as the st Yeah.

1833
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna play big nickel and big dime

1834
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 2: and play two corners a lot of this game that

1835
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: I think that your corners are Christianzalez and Jonathan Jones,

1836
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones and DeVante Smith. I like that.

1837
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: And that's the island.

1838
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: Yep.

1839
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: He's not getting help.

1840
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but So here's the thing. You can't. You can't

1841
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 2: double bolls. I've heard this before, right, because they'll run

1842
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 2: the ball right down your throat and they'll run for

1843
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 2: two fifty for you that because you have you're gonna

1844
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 2: have two safeties deep and you're there's nothing gonna be

1845
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field and they're gonna torch

1846
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 2: you like that. You have to get the extra hat

1847
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: in the box. You have to find a way to

1848
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 2: have seven guys in the box. You just do. So

1849
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: what you do, in my my mind is you put

1850
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales on AJ Brown and then you find a

1851
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: way to help him in the respect that you're gonna

1852
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: have a help defender take away something from AJ Brown.

1853
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 2: So what a lot of good teams do is they

1854
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: take away that first window throw. So they're gonna have

1855
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 2: the corner play off of AJ Brown, but they're not

1856
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 2: gonna give up the quick slant of the quick curl

1857
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 2: because they're gonna have a defender in that passing link.

1858
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 5: Right.

1859
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 2: So now all Christian Gonzalez has to worry about his

1860
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 2: verticals and like skinny posts, right, like the deeper.

1861
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: Slants or our routes.

1862
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 2: Right, But all he's only worrying about things that are

1863
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 2: breaking out like eight yards, right, He's not worrying about

1864
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: all the quick stuff underneath because you have the defender there.

1865
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: So he's gonna be on AJ Brown over the top

1866
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: one on one, but he's gonna have a head start.

1867
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: So yeah. So and this is where the whole thing

1868
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: is interesting with Devin McCarty. In the past, it would

1869
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 1: be AJ Brown or Christian Zauce on AJ Brown with

1870
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: Devin McCarty as that over the top help safety. That

1871
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: guy's not there anymore. So instead now you're helping on

1872
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: the short stuff and you're having Gonzales takeaway with yeh.

1873
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: So once they get down the field, Gonzale AJ Brown,

1874
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: if he's not the best jump ball receiver in the league,

1875
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: he's up there.

1876
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1877
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: But Christian Zalz you drafted him to be competitive at

1878
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: the catch point.

1879
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's there. Be body type. He's six foot one,

1880
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 2: six foot two. He runs like the wind. You can't

1881
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 2: hide him from AJ Brown in this game, right, he

1882
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: this is what he's here for.

1883
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,839
Speaker 1: So the way, so the way you gave your initial

1884
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: take was like you're gonna have christians as on a

1885
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: J Brown on one side and then you're just that's

1886
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 1: gonna be it right for that matchup.

1887
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 2: That's what you had me. No, I mean, that's you

1888
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. I don't think any regard like even

1889
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: like even though people think about like ty Law, Derell

1890
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: Reeves Gilmore as being on islands, they were never truly.

1891
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: On island respect sometimes not sometimes they were, I think.

1892
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 2: Was they always had post safety help, Okay, oh yeah,

1893
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: they Devin mccordy, Yeah, yeah, at least so that that's

1894
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: that's That's the thing about Christian Zauces. I've seen a

1895
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 2: lot of he can't cover a J. Brown. He has

1896
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: to cover a J. Brown.

1897
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: That's that's the matchup. That's you drafted him to cover

1898
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: this guy.

1899
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if he if he has a bad game

1900
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 2: against a J. Brown, that's one of the best receivers

1901
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 2: in the league. You tip your cap, you'd say he's

1902
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: a rookie in his first start and he got torched

1903
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: by one of the top five receivers in the NFL.

1904
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 2: And it is what it is. But if you go

1905
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: into this game plan thinking that we have to double

1906
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 2: AJ Brown at all costs, you are going to give

1907
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 2: up so much everywhere else that you just can't do it,

1908
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: like they have too many things to cover, So that

1909
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 2: that's the CV matchups really quickly, your thoughts on Brady

1910
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: coming back? Like, what do you I think the best

1911
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: thing you know we can reminisce about Brady any day

1912
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 2: of the week. What are you most looking forward to

1913
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 2: about the Brady festivities?

1914
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: When the opening notes of public service announcement hit.

1915
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,879
Speaker 2: I think that's happening. Yeah, I actually don't know, so okay,

1916
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 2: And I really don't know they have.

1917
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: To play it when he walks out. I don't know.

1918
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it's pre game, maybe it's halftime, Like, I don't

1919
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: know when they do that. It might be halftime and

1920
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: he's not gonna run down the sideline or anything. But like, no,

1921
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: those opening notes, when that hits, and just the energy

1922
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: in the building, that's going to be unbelievable. Here's my

1923
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: weird hot take on the Brady thing. Yeah, don't give

1924
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: him everything. Make sure there's reasons to have him coming.

1925
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 2: Back, don't. I wouldn't worry about that.

1926
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: Because like there's Jersey retirement, there's Pats Hall of Fame,

1927
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: there's I know some people, I'm not gonna make you

1928
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: give anything away, but some people have talked about there

1929
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: maybe being like the Patriots arning some sort of ring

1930
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: of honor or something like with him, which would make sense.

1931
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna name the statue or naming something after

1932
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: him my like tinfoil hot take conspiracy theory, the Tom

1933
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: Brady Lighthouse. It's I highly doubt that's gonna happen, but

1934
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: that would be cool. But space, space it out, don't

1935
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: do it all. We don't need it all at once.

1936
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 2: Keep them coming back, don't worry about that. Okay, cool, Okay,

1937
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 2: the second my Brady thing.

1938
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm also the one other thing. Sorry, when these things happen,

1939
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: whether it's like after the super Bowl and they bring

1940
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: out the trophies or when different guys get in the

1941
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: pass hall, the other guys who come back, just seeing

1942
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 1: them back is cool too. And you know who's who's good.

1943
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 1: There's certain guys you just kind of figure are going

1944
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: to be here, but like who's good? Is Gronk gonna

1945
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: be here? That would be interesting. You know, guys like

1946
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure Edelman will be here, I'm sure like James

1947
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,839
Speaker 1: White will be here. How many guys from those earlier

1948
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: teams will be back? Or he's obviously going to be coaching,

1949
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: but like, will you see guys like I'm trying to

1950
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 1: think of offensive guys. Kevin Falk will probably be here.

1951
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: I would think Ben Watson, Ben what I could see

1952
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: Ben Watson coming back? Dan Gram see that Dan Graham

1953
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: would be cool to see.

1954
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 2: Matt Light might be here.

1955
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: Now, Like could we get Antoine Smith back here? Would

1956
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: Corey Dillon come for that?

1957
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 2: Has Antoine Smith been back for anything?

1958
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: He was back? I think when they did the anniversary

1959
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: of the two thousand and one team, remember that they

1960
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: had like every there were only like four or five

1961
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 1: guys that were here for that, like they were obscured,

1962
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: like Matt Stevens was here. T Brusk I would assume

1963
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Bruski and let I don't, well McGuinness, I don't know

1964
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: what his situation is, Bruskie. If he'll be in Connecticut

1965
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 1: right because they he does.

1966
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if he does. If he's on the

1967
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 2: air on Sunday. I think Rodney is.

1968
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: Right, Rodney's on Sunday night. Yeah, Well, actually Rodney probably

1969
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: won't be here because it'll Sunday Night football.

1970
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: And I don't think Devon will be here because of

1971
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 2: that too.

1972
01:26:55,720 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: Well no, actually maybe for pregame, they take care copter,

1973
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: so they'll get it. That's Teddy Teddy. I think he

1974
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: could they get off the air at one in Bristol. Yeah,

1975
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: he could get here for halftime for a four o'clock game.

1976
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 2: Alex Is putting Teddy in the car with the police escort, Like,

1977
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: I think he could do it. All right, So I'm gonna.

1978
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: Oh, how about it. You think like Charlie Weis will

1979
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: be here.

1980
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 2: Maybe that would be serious XM like he does radio,

1981
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: so all.

1982
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: These guys have media stuff.

1983
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1984
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: Uh, who's like the most obscure player that will be here?

1985
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: Give me a name.

1986
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: Matt Chatham.

1987
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: No, that doesn't he works, He's working the game. That

1988
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: doesn't count this message. I'm gonna Mike Cloud, Okay, that

1989
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: that is, I mean, standout Mike.

1990
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 2: There could be some random receivers that played with him

1991
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 2: that caught passes from him, you know, like a like

1992
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 2: a Mike right or like a Tim Right yeah, Tim right, yeah,

1993
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 2: Tim right, Big.

1994
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: Big Matt Mulligan, Matt Lanle, No, Matt Langle has Big

1995
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: Matt line.

1996
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna this might be like this is a little

1997
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: bit more of like your your station take. But I'm

1998
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: gonna give it. I'm gonna be playing body Language Doctor

1999
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 2: a little bit on Sunday with him and Bill No,

2000
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 2: just him in general. Is he doing this out of

2001
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 2: obligation or because he really wants to be.

2002
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: Well, that goes back to my point of like make

2003
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: sure there's reasons, because I is he just like all right,

2004
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm coming back once, get it all out, Let's get

2005
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 1: it all out of the way, Let's do all of it.

2006
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: That's that's happening, especially because we've already said it's gonna

2007
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 2: be at halftime, so you have eight minutes at halftime,

2008
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: so you can't do all of that in eight minutes.

2009
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: My one little body Language Doctor thing is that I

2010
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 2: do really want to know is he into it? Like

2011
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: is he really really into it? Because to your point,

2012
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: like public service and like he should run onto the

2013
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 2: field like you know, like I'm like you know what

2014
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Like that should be a pump the crowd up,

2015
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 2: the crowd up. Yeah, And like is he is he

2016
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: rooting for the Patriots? Is he into it? Is he?

2017
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 2: Like does he look like he wants? And I'm not

2018
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: gonna hold it against him if he doesn't, but I

2019
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 2: will admit as a as a Patriots fan, my fandom

2020
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 2: in me, it does still kind of hurt that the

2021
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 2: way it ended, right, And I'm not saying that it's

2022
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: all his fault, and I completely understand both sides of

2023
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 2: it and understand his side wholeheartedly. But at the same time,

2024
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: like I didn't become a Bucks fan, right, Like, we're

2025
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 2: still Patriots fans here and the Patriots are still the

2026
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 2: Patriots to us. And is he gonna recognize in his

2027
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 2: post playing career as a Patriot through and through? Or

2028
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: is this gonna be like Tom Brady and then it's

2029
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 2: gonna be Patriots, Bucks Brady TB twelve, like you know

2030
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like and that that is interesting to me.

2031
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 2: It's not the most important thing. And I'm glad he's

2032
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: coming back, and it's nothing like that. I'm just wondering

2033
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 2: how much does he really want to be here. I

2034
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: know that he is really tight still and has a

2035
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: ton of respect for mister Kraft, as we all do.

2036
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 2: And I know that it's a possibility that he's coming

2037
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 2: back because mister Krav asked him to and he did

2038
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 2: it because of that. And if that's all it is,

2039
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 2: then that's gonna be attle disappointing. Yeah, it is, and

2040
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of Patriots fans, myself included,

2041
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 2: to close the book on Brady and to like feel

2042
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: good about Brady again one hundred percent, we need to

2043
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: like stop acting like he ever played for the Bucks.

2044
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: So I remember, well, at the same time, they should

2045
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 2: call him a seven time super Bowl champion, don't you

2046
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 2: know take that away from him. I mean the respect

2047
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 2: goes both ways, right, Yeah, I don't think you completely

2048
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 2: ignore the butt, but you make it about the Patriots.

2049
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 2: But like, don't feel like he won six super Bowls

2050
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 2: to call him a seven times super Bowl champion, that's

2051
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 2: what he is. They're gonna say six with the.

2052
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: Patris They're gonna say that, but I'm saying, I don't.

2053
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 2: Its like inside information. I just feel like that.

2054
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: But also like, don't if they don't mention the seventh

2055
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: one at all, I think that would he could be

2056
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: rightly annoyed by that. I'll say this. There was a

2057
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: picture Mac Jones rookie year that was it is taken

2058
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: on the sideline before a game. It was probably the game.

2059
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,799
Speaker 1: Whoever it was that got inducted that year got inducted

2060
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: in the Patriots Hall of Fame. Was that Seymour twenty

2061
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: one or was no? Seymour was last year?

2062
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:08,879
Speaker 2: It might have been Seymour.

2063
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't know whoever it was. Whoever it was, Drew

2064
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: Bludsoe was here, Vince, I think it was Vince. I

2065
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: think you're right, which makes it weirder Thandrew Bledsen is here.

2066
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 1: But the point being like there's a picture of Mac Jones,

2067
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: Drew Bledsoe and Robert Craft on the sideline before the game,

2068
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 1: and it was like, by the way, Drew Drew, I'm

2069
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: hoping we'll be here on Sunday. I think I think

2070
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: I need a picture of Mac Jones, Tom Brady, Drew

2071
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Bledsoe and Robert Craft. Okay, I remember like seeing that

2072
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: picture and being like there's something missing here.

2073
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 2: I know, I know, you know, but don't leave Steve

2074
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,480
Speaker 2: Grogan hanging like that. All right, let's no no, But it's.

2075
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: It's no, no, no, because the whole thing.

2076
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 2: Is the succession.

2077
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Right as long as crafted Craft is on the team

2078
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 1: for so many years, and they've really only had three quarterbacks. Yeah,

2079
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: if Grogey wants to be in the picture, can be

2080
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 1: in the picture. But ideas like Robert Kraft has owned

2081
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: this thing first.

2082
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 2: How could you do that to Steve Grogan?

2083
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: Robert Craft has owned this thing for so long and

2084
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: to have that little turnover quarterback, and obviously Brady's big

2085
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: part of it. I mean drew out like ninety six

2086
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: to one, like seven years, a long time in the RFL. Yeah, right,

2087
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: So who's.

2088
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: The second best Patriot quarterback of all time?

2089
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: Now? What are you doing to Steve Growin? No, you're right,

2090
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: but no, it's it's true Brady bledsoe mac Craft. I

2091
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: need that picture, Okay, I need that because when they

2092
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: took it in twenty twenty one, and obviously Brady's still playing,

2093
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: was gonna be there, but it was like it was like,

2094
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: this is almost the perfect picture. Almost.

2095
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 2: I was gonna hang that up in his bed. I

2096
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 2: gotta go find that picture now over his bed. It's

2097
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a shrine. All right, We gotta we gotta go.

2098
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 2: They've already opened locker rooms. So we're behind the eight

2099
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 2: ball here, but we'll be back next Thursday, same time,

2100
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 2: same place to break down this Eagles game preview the

2101
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,600
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins and a throwback week next week against the

2102
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins. So we have Brady and then we have

2103
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 2: throwback week back Back, kicking off the season with that.

2104
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: That's almost the end of URT because our first show

2105
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 1: here was a throwback. Oh that was like week five.

2106
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, there you go, all right, So see you

2107
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 2: guys next week.

2108
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