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Speaker 1: Chris Harry with you on a new episode of Chargers Weekly.

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Speaker 1: There were so many terrific interviews from the NFL Combine

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Speaker 1: key takeaways from Indy. I'll also be joined by Greg

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Speaker 1: my favorite guests on Chargers Weekly ever. We've had them

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Speaker 1: all five four times a year ago March first, you

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Speaker 1: predicted Derwin James to the LA Chargers, and I know

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Speaker 1: eight overall for the Chargers, and we talked about the

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Speaker 1: knees defensive line, probably linebacker, maybe corner, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fact that Casey Hayward is on one side. You

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Speaker 1: got a got a couple of guys on cost control deals,

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Speaker 1: My day, this and Trevor Williams at twenty eight overall.

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Speaker 1: If you get this right, man, I'm telling you, man,

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Speaker 1: we are getting lottery tickets twenty eight overall. It's February

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Speaker 1: twenty eighth. Okay, let's let's go corner. Let's go corner. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: go corner. Uh No, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Twenty overall, Okay, twenty overall. What about Julian Love not

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Speaker 1: to day Okay, Golden Dover, Yeah, what about doing Love.

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Speaker 1: He's from Chicago, that is with Academy High School US.

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Speaker 1: Why I like Julian Love. Julian Love is a motor

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Speaker 1: mirror corner as someone that has got tremendous balance, tremendous footwork.

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Speaker 1: He's not overly physical at the line of scrimmage. He's

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Speaker 1: more of a guy that that will we use a

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Speaker 1: technique term called shuffle scoot off the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: and motor and mirror and stay in front of the guy.

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Speaker 1: He's good at the point of attack. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Julian Love is a first rounder at this point,

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Speaker 1: but we'll see him this weekend and find out in

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Speaker 1: this Pro day. Yeah, on this Pro day as well.

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Speaker 1: But you brought up corner, so you're in. You're in

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Speaker 1: with this Julian Love number twenty eight. Overall, we'll see

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Speaker 1: if it happens. Matt has always been a fantastic stuff.

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Speaker 1: Can't take you for your time. Thank you. We're keeping

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Speaker 1: the NFL Matchup Show theme where you go great, Greg,

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Speaker 1: because NFL films. Greg. How are you, sir? I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: It was it was fun chatting with you last year

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Speaker 1: and we talked about the Chargers and I was just

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Speaker 1: telling you. You told me you really liked Adu and Phillis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I did, And what a year daddy still do?

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Speaker 1: He was he was so instrumental on special teams. But

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Speaker 1: the snaps that he played defensively in All Pro this right, well,

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Speaker 1: you know it's funny. In the NFL. Obviously people focus

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Speaker 1: on on in the secondary corners, but the league now

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Speaker 1: is a sub package league. On defense, teams either play nickel,

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Speaker 1: they played dime. Some teams like the Chargers play seven

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Speaker 1: defensive backs, which we call dollar and Gus Bradley this

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Speaker 1: year essentially evolved into playing dime meaning six defensive backs

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Speaker 1: as his predominant sub package. So I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the percentage was, but that was their predominant sub package.

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Speaker 1: It was so Adrian Phillips, who's their dime sort of

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Speaker 1: hybrid safety linebacker. He's that player, and he predominantly plays

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Speaker 1: closer to the line of scrimmage, but he can be

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Speaker 1: played used in other ways as well, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought he was. I think he's a really good player.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is is he can play the run.

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Speaker 1: That that's critical. There's a physicality to him. When you

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Speaker 1: saw the Chargers role out seven dbs against the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: what was your reaction in that wildcard game, Well, they

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Speaker 1: wanted more speed because you know, obviously they're playing Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: who's I think at this point in time in that

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Speaker 1: game was more of a threat as a runner than

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Speaker 1: as a passer. And I think they wanted speed on

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Speaker 1: the field as opposed to bigger, heavier d lineman or

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Speaker 1: even linebackers who you know, maybe thirty five or two forty.

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Speaker 1: They wanted speed. When you look at dis Charger's team

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Speaker 1: in twenty eight team before we get dive into the draft.

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Speaker 1: You know, Philip Rivers, you could argue he was an

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Speaker 1: MVP candidate for a majority of the year. Obviously, Mahomes

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Speaker 1: and Breeze kind of led the pack there. But just

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Speaker 1: your overall thoughts on this team, you know, starting with Rivers, Well,

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Speaker 1: I thought Rivers had a really good year. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think, to me, watching the tape all year long,

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Speaker 1: I thought their old line was not a great past

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Speaker 1: protecting all line. And obviously Rivers has to be protected.

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Speaker 1: He's that kind of quarterback and he gets rid of

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Speaker 1: the football he needs to right right. But I think

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Speaker 1: that again, I don't know how they see their needs

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Speaker 1: going into this draft, but you know, I think they're

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Speaker 1: old line needs to play better. Whether it's with the

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Speaker 1: same guys or whether they feel somebody needs to be replaced,

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Speaker 1: that that's their call. But I think overall, they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to be better in pass protection. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you mentioned past protection run efficiency, they were pretty good. Men.

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Speaker 1: Was five point one, I believe, yeah, I think it

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Speaker 1: was five point five point one, and then Eckler stepped in.

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Speaker 1: I like that kid, and then you know, Justin Jackson

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Speaker 1: from Northwest win them a game, you know, he was

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Speaker 1: really the hero in the second half that Pitts for

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Speaker 1: a game, and he also played well in Kansas City. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Justin Jackson, I think he was undrafted seven seventh round

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Speaker 1: and the reason for that because he had phenomenal production

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Speaker 1: in the Big Tenant Northwestern all time lead rusher there

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Speaker 1: is he's really an inside runner, but he's about one

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Speaker 1: hundred ninety eight pounds, and normally in the NFL inside

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Speaker 1: runners at one ninety eight. They're certainly not feature backs.

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Speaker 1: But I think Justin Jackson has good running skill and

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Speaker 1: I think he can be the kind of back that

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Speaker 1: could spell Gordon, you know who seems to have a

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Speaker 1: tendency get injured. Maybe Justin Jackson is the guy who plays,

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Speaker 1: you know, three possessions a game to give Gordon a spell.

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Speaker 1: And I almost feel like Austin Ekeler is something different

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Speaker 1: because you can use him in space, you could use

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Speaker 1: him as a pass. They detached him a lot and

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Speaker 1: definitely and he's good at that. Yeah, Yeah, he's really

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Speaker 1: good at dad and he showed that his second year.

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Speaker 1: Well we're here. Last year, Dirtwin James had not worked

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Speaker 1: out yet. But what was your thoughts on Durwin as

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Speaker 1: a player come into this draft last year. Oh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a very talented kid, really talented. Um. Obviously, people

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Speaker 1: thought that it was, you know, a bargain that they

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Speaker 1: ended up getting him at seventeen. That he fell to seventeen,

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Speaker 1: everyone thought it was a steal. Right. He played well

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Speaker 1: this year. He's a guy that can do a lot

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Speaker 1: of different things for you, and the fact that he

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Speaker 1: was deployed in that way tells you that he's a

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Speaker 1: sharp kid. Because when a rookie comes in and is

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Speaker 1: used in multiple positions and asked to do different things

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Speaker 1: and does them, then you know that he's picking things

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Speaker 1: up and has a good feel not just for his role,

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Speaker 1: but for the concept of the defense. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: the last two years, Greg just the positional versatility of

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Speaker 1: a guy like Durwin who probably the third best passed

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Speaker 1: restaurant the team, which I was gonna say, he's a

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Speaker 1: very good blitzer, yeah, behind Ingram and Bosa. But another

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Speaker 1: guy from two years ago, Desmond King, goes in the

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Speaker 1: fifth round and he had All Pro this year. He

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Speaker 1: makes plays when the ball is there, and he won't

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Speaker 1: make a play with on special teams or in the

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Speaker 1: nicke Well, It's funny because I believe in Iowa he

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Speaker 1: played outside, but he played in the slot if I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken in their nickel, and I could be wrong,

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Speaker 1: but I'm trying to remember seeing him in college. But

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Speaker 1: he's a good player, you know, and he's a guy

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Speaker 1: who fell in the draft because he doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: ideal measurables for a corner. You know, he's not fast,

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Speaker 1: he's not that big a player, but he's a good football.

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Speaker 1: But he's a smart, savvy I loved his interception against

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson that he returned for a touchdown. Debt almost sealed.

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Speaker 1: They Seahawks made a little interesting, but that was that

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Speaker 1: was one of the highlights of the year. And then

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Speaker 1: also we talked about Justin Jackson being here in that

558
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh game. Desmond also had a punt return first plashown game.

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Speaker 1: So just getting the contributions. I've said this multiple times

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Speaker 1: the last few days, but Tom Telesco and company, they've

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Speaker 1: had fourteen picks the last two years. They're all on

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Speaker 1: the team, Thirteen have played in the game, eleven have

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Speaker 1: started game. And then we're not even including guys like

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Speaker 1: Michael Badgeley who helps solidify the picking position. Eckler Mike

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Speaker 1: Davis um. Not only have they had success at the

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Speaker 1: top of the first round, they they've been able to

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Speaker 1: find some gems middle. I mean, look, you can say

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Speaker 1: what you want, and maybe they're looking to improve a corner.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is, Mike Michael Davis, undrafted at a BYU,

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Speaker 1: ends up. I forget what week he became the starter.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was week nine or ten. It was around

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Speaker 1: that Sale Sale game and he ends up starting an

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Speaker 1: opposite Heywood, and you know he played again. I'm not

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Speaker 1: craating him on every place. So I don't want to

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Speaker 1: sit here and say played well or didn't play well,

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Speaker 1: because I'm being honest with you. I don't know for sure,

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Speaker 1: of course, but he certainly didn't embarrass himself. No, I

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Speaker 1: mean it wasn't. I didn't watch the tape and go, man,

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Speaker 1: they need a corner, you know. I mean he was

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Speaker 1: he I thought he did, Okay, it was funny Greg's

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Speaker 1: the year before that, Trevor Williams was in that role

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Speaker 1: and I thought he played well that year. He played well.

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Speaker 1: He's another undrafted. Yeah he got hurt this year. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that you can have a guy across.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jason Rickett's hurt a guy across from Hayward.

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Speaker 1: Two undrafted guys cost control deals. It's pretty good right

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Speaker 1: now that it worked out well for I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: people started talking about them being in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: They had a very good year. Obviously, you want to

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Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl and they didn't, but they

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Speaker 1: were They were a good team in a fun team

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Speaker 1: to watch on tape. You know, every year Tom Tolesko

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Speaker 1: gets the question of quarterback and they're gonna find Philip Rivers' successor,

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Speaker 1: and this has been going on for four or five seasons.

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Speaker 1: Is this the year they do it? I mean, this

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Speaker 1: class obviously a little bit different from last year's class,

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Speaker 1: headlined by Baker and darn Moulden, Rosen, Alan and Lamar.

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Speaker 1: Five quarterbacks going Philip is going to have as many

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Speaker 1: kids as years he plays. I think that's the goal.

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Speaker 1: That's the goal, right, that's the goal. Um. Yeah, again,

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Speaker 1: that's an organizational thing. There was no drop off in

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Speaker 1: Rivers game this year. He had a really good year. Um.

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Speaker 1: He's super intelligent, understands the game. Um. In many ways,

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Speaker 1: he's like Peyton Manning in the way he understands the game. Um,

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Speaker 1: I can't sit here and tell you how long he

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Speaker 1: can play at the level he played. No one knows

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Speaker 1: the answer to that, but I tell you what he

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Speaker 1: But you don't want to get caught short that that's

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Speaker 1: the only thing that's the issue. You don't, Yeah, you don't.

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Speaker 1: And he you know, knock on wood, he's been so

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Speaker 1: adorable to him as stars and Zo six and the

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Speaker 1: level that he was playing at. These are really see.

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Speaker 1: I loved Philip Rivers. And because he hasn't gotten to

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl, he's probably not going to be seen

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Speaker 1: as a Hall of Famer. But still time, Greg, there's

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Speaker 1: still the right got a couple of years made. But

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Speaker 1: I think he's really a special quarterback. Yeah, Gus, you

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Speaker 1: out here on this, just your overall thoughts on this

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Speaker 1: and the charges select the twenty eight overall, so you

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Speaker 1: kind of at the mercy of a lot of teams. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: have taking best player available, so you know, it could

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Speaker 1: be defensive line, could be corner, it could be maybe

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Just your overall thoughts on what you see

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Speaker 1: the strengths and weaknesses in the draft. I think the

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Speaker 1: two strengths from what I've seen and heard would be

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Speaker 1: probably be viewed as offensive line and defensive line. And

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Speaker 1: again we talked about the Chargers in their all line.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they see their players. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think if I think a year or

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Speaker 1: two ago, if you said, hey, the right side of

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Speaker 1: the line is going to be Scofield at right guard

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Speaker 1: and Tevy at right tackle, You'd probably say that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna cut it, you know. So I don't know how

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Speaker 1: they see that. Those guys they still have. Forrest lamp

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Speaker 1: who he was first healthy offseason for him right, who

636
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: was a second round I mean, he was drafted to

637
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: be a starter. So we'll see if that happens. I

638
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought he was one of

639
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: the best offensive linement and that yeah for sure. You

640
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: know in the Efoene from Indiana who I liked um.

641
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: I thought he was up and down this year, particularly

642
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: in past protection. But I think a lot of that

643
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: stuff is coachable. Sure, I don't know who they're all

644
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: on coaches, but I think his problems are are coachable

645
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: as opposed to the fact he was the only star

646
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: I think played every single snap this year. Yeah, so

647
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: it's good, but he'll get better, by the way, it's

648
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: always a treat, you know, coming here. I feel like

649
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: we're just here at the combine, you know, a couple

650
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: of months ago. But it's always a treat for you

651
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: to stop by talk a little. Chargers can't thank you enough,

652
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks all right, I have a rookie here

653
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: first Combine for Jeff Miller Los Angeles Times. Jeff and

654
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: I enjoyed a shrimp cocktail last night. Jeff, how are you, man?

655
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm very good and I'm fully recovered from our shrimp

656
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: cocktail experience. That Saint almos I gave you that warning, right, yeah,

657
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: horse shradish warning. Anybody who's been there and knows what

658
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about. That, Yes, the horse shradish warning was

659
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: much appreciated. Thank you. How is your time here? The

660
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: first few days been like, it's been very interesting. I

661
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: was completely caught off guard by a few things, one

662
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: of which was I was under the impression that we

663
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: got to watch all these workouts and do all that,

664
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: watch all this stuff, and it was like, here, we're

665
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: hanging out with the players and there's none of that

666
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: is as you know, I mean, this is a it's

667
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: a TV show and it's but it's not open to

668
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: the media to watch the workouts, watch any of these

669
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: forty yard dashes or any of the stuff, So that

670
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: part of it is throwing me off a little bit.

671
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: It's but it's it's quite an NFL convention, as anybody

672
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: who's ever been her knows. It's it's a real who's

673
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: who from from every team, from pretty much every aspect

674
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: of every team. So the first day there were a

675
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: ton of press conferences, general managers, coaches. The Charges didn't

676
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: go till day two. Tom to Lesko, Anthony Lynn going

677
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: back to back your takeaways from what the guy said, Well,

678
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: there wasn't anything real shocking, not that we thought there'd be,

679
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: and there hasn't been. You know, most teams haven't really

680
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: uh broke any big news since we've been here. There's

681
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: been a few things here there. Uh, but uh, you know,

682
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I think the uh, you know, the Chargers are in

683
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: they're in a good spot. They had it, you know,

684
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: they just coming off a real good season. They a

685
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: lot of their key pieces are in place already. They

686
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: know they know where they're going in a lot of

687
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: a lot of places. So um, uh, it just to me,

688
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: I think it's it's early on in the whole evaluation

689
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: process of where this is going to go, and there's

690
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: a million moving parts between now and uh, you know,

691
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: the draft certainly, but even between now and UH free agency,

692
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: which isn't that far off, it's there's still a lot

693
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: of things that could happen. Turn of best case scenario plan.

694
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: You probably have plans for everything starts a free agency.

695
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: All the guys here that are working out. We don't

696
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: know what the draft is going to look like until

697
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: the pieces fallen place in free agency. And one of

698
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: the things the Chargers have done a great job at

699
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: really's kind of taking care of their own guys and

700
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: drafting and developing their own guys. And we talk about

701
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: guys who could be getting extensions potentially, h you know,

702
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: a guy like Melvin Gordon for instance. Your thoughts on

703
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: just what you've seen the last two years in terms

704
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: of how the Chargers have drafted and how they've developed

705
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: the guys that are currently on a roster. Yeah, they're

706
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: I think they've done a really good job and they're

707
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're sort of edict or the things that

708
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: they preach as they want to draft their guys, develop

709
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: them and resign them. And Melvin Gordon is a perfect

710
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: example of that guy right now who's in that his

711
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: time could be this could be his time to be resigned.

712
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: So I think from what time to Letsco indicated the

713
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: other day that I think this is something that they're considering.

714
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Uh seriously, there's something that he as he said, if

715
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna if that's gonna be our sort of our

716
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: you know that that's gonna be the thing we sort

717
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: of pin our our franchise around one of our staples

718
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: of our franchises. What I'm trying to say is we

719
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: probably should maybe do that. So I think they're definitely

720
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: thinking about it, and I think they've done a really

721
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: good job at doing that, at developing players and resigning

722
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: their guys, and I think they're going to try to

723
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: continue doing that. It allows you to be selective in

724
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: free agency too. I mean, when you have that comfortability

725
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: in the in the locker room, knowing that these are

726
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: the guys that you drafted for a reason, they fit

727
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: with what you want to do, it does make free

728
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: agency just more of a supplemental tool, you know. I

729
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: think they did that last year with Mike Pouncey. Uh.

730
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: He wasn't a guy that was on the radar because

731
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: he got released by the Dolphins. And then you know,

732
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: when you see those opportunities come about, that's when you

733
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: got to make a quick decision. It's like, hey, is

734
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: this in the best interest of our football team. Turns

735
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: out Mike Pouncey was pretty darn good, especially helping the

736
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: run Pro Bowl. Yeah, he was a huge difference maker.

737
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: I think we all saw that as the season went

738
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: along even more. And I think you're right they if

739
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: you think about it, if you're going to build a team,

740
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: why would you not If you can build with these

741
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: pieces that you've had and have been together and stayed

742
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: together and kind of grow together, I think that's the

743
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: way you you would want to do it. Then you know,

744
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: sometimes teams will throw money at a guy. Do they

745
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: necessarily fit the locker room, the culture? Is it the

746
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: right Here's there's a ton of variables, and sometimes it's

747
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: just best to go with what you know. And uh,

748
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: I forget of his coach Lennard to Leska, but they said,

749
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, some of the core guys on other teams,

750
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: we like our core guys better, you know, so, so

751
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be important. That's gonna be something

752
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: you see over the next couple of weeks. It's trying

753
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: to take care of their own Yeah, and I you know,

754
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: there's uh. I've covered a lot of baseball in my

755
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: past and and there's a problem I think in baseball

756
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: sometimes where you fall in love with your own draft picks.

757
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: And they do that a lot in baseball, And but

758
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: the difference in baseball there's just some of these that

759
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: are really young players when you take them, and they

760
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: may not develop into anything. Where in the NFL, these

761
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: guys are a little more advanced when you get them.

762
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: So there's a there seems to be a little more

763
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: of a certainty. You bring up a good boat you're getting,

764
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: you know what, you bring up a good point. On

765
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: the other side of the coin, sometimes it may be

766
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: tough to cut bait on a guy that you drafted

767
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: and you have confidence in, but you haven't necessarily seen

768
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: it on the field. They Fortunately for this version of

769
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: the Chargers over the last two years, all the picks

770
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: that that Tom Telesco has maybe they're they're also on

771
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: the roster and a lot of them have made contributions.

772
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: So it's not like you're waiting on a guy or

773
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: two to like really pop because they haven't shown anything.

774
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: It's just listen, There's been a lot of guys, especially

775
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: like a guy like Desmond king Or and Isaac Rochelle

776
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: who held that on the FOURT Justusin Jackson who helped

777
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: win a game a couple of games frankly in December.

778
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: So some of these mid to late round picks have

779
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: really pops. Yeah, I think they've I think they've done

780
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: a really good job. It'd be hard to be real

781
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: critical of their of their draft. And you didn't mention

782
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: Forrest lamp who's a guy who they still are real

783
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: high on. And who knows, maybe this time next year

784
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: we could be sitting here talking about with the great development,

785
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: the great season he had, just just like last year,

786
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: we were talking about Mike Williams and they need to

787
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: have a healthy off season and come out and then

788
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: he had eleven total touchdowns, So it's entirely possible. And

789
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: he's a guy I mean, Mike Williams is a guy

790
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: who I think he has a chance to get a

791
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: lot better and he could still develop into a lot

792
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: more than what we've seen. And that's a guy who

793
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: when you're looking at. You know, Tom Fleesco's draft record

794
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: hasn't done a ton yet, but he could. He could

795
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: end up being one of the best guys he's taken

796
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: among a bunch of really good guys. So I think

797
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: the Charge has done a really good job of that,

798
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: and I think they, you know, they're obviously going to

799
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: try to continue to do that. And I think that's

800
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: what they would love to be able to continue to

801
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: do and not have to rely on, as you said,

802
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: kind of maybe reaching for a veteran guy or you

803
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: have to give a bunch of money to or costs, uh,

804
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, cost a bunch and in some sort of

805
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: trade or something, and and you're trying to piece this

806
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 1: thing together that way. I think they would rather build

807
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: that foundation and then add to its supplemented like you

808
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: mentioned with the Poundcy deal, and just I mean, I'm

809
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: sure they would much rather do that. And that's a

810
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, a it's certainly I'm sure a more satisfying

811
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: way to do it. When you're watching this team that

812
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: you built literally pick these guys and built right from

813
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: the ground up, is it's got to be very satisfying.

814
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: Of the guys who are free agents who do you

815
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: think is the most important guy that they got to

816
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: bring back. I mean there's a lot of guys on defense.

817
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: We talked about Perryman, Adrian Phillips, some of the guys

818
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: on the line, Filne and an offense, you know, Tyrrelle Williams.

819
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: Obviously it was a big part of what they do offensively.

820
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: Who in your estimation do you think it has to

821
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: come back here? I think just in kind of guessing here, um,

822
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: because we're all guessing, right, I mean, we know this

823
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: is a complete guessing game, and you know what this

824
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: entire process is speculation and trying to read the tea

825
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: leaves and trying to figure out what people are saying

826
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: on the podium and what you're hearing. You know, it's

827
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: it's a complete guessing game, it really is. Uh. I

828
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: think that, Um, I look at those two guys on

829
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: defense you mentioned, Denzel Perryman and Adrian Phillips. Those guys

830
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: are both very very big pieces of this defense last year. UM.

831
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: I asked Anthony yesterday about about both of them, and

832
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know he he used the phrase you

833
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: know core player, core guy, well my core guy for

834
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: for Phillips several times in our little conference. It wasn't

835
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: even very long conversation, and he rightfully pointed out he said,

836
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, he said, when when Denzel's in there were better.

837
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: It's just there's no denying it. I mean, well you

838
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: saw it, you know when when he went down. Yeah,

839
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: when when you lose a linebacker of that caliber who

840
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: was a was a punishing hit or punishing tackler, it's uh,

841
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: it's hard. And then you know, Kaiser White is another

842
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: guy who we talked about from a draft perspective. He

843
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: earned that starting role he went down. Uh, so you

844
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: do want to be able to further bolster that that

845
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: linebacking room, and Denzel could be the guy to get

846
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: it done. Yeah. I mean I think those are probably

847
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: the two guys that stand out to me. Um Uh

848
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: Tyrrell is a tremendous receiver and it's going to be proven.

849
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: I think when somebody gives him a lot more money

850
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: than the Chargers probably are going to be able to

851
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: or willing to Um and he'll have a chance to go.

852
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: I suspect he'll have a chance to go somewhere and

853
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: prove that he is the number one receiver that he

854
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: thinks he can be. And uh I think the Chargers will.

855
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: But what do you do in that situation? You wish,

856
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: wish the guy. Well him, He's been a great story

857
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: for this team and they would love to have him.

858
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: He's a class actor and he is he is. I

859
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: think he's I think his teammates like him. I think

860
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: he's very popular in that room. Um, but there you

861
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: can't pay everybody and you can't keep all your all

862
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: your guys, and he's just he's performed at a level.

863
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: Or I think he's he's going to be too too

864
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: costly to them and too valuable to somebody else. That

865
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: so the Chargers are probably gonna probably lose him. But yeah,

866
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: I would think those two guys on defense, both of

867
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: them provide that grit, that element of grit that they

868
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: talk so much about, and what the what Anthony's provided,

869
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: and uh so I think those are probably the two

870
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: guys that they probably most would like to to get

871
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: to bring back for sure. You know, Jeff in a

872
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: league with so much turnover and just just looking around

873
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: in this place, all these new head coaches and just

874
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: new faces and player movement. The Chargers, the continuity remains

875
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: in the coaching staff. When you talk about the coordinators

876
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: and obviously coach Lyn's third year. Um obviously personnel changes.

877
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: It's going to change every year, the complexion of the offense,

878
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: for instance, with Hunter coming back and maybe people departing

879
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: or getting some some other editions, it's gonna look a

880
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: little bit different, but largely in the scope of the NFL.

881
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: Now you look at it, I mean, the continuity cannot

882
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: be understated. Yeah, it's it's really important. And if you

883
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: if I when you're successful that the Chargers were this

884
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: past season, they certainly want to keep this going. And

885
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I think they're very high on the direction they're going.

886
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: They despite the way the game against New England went,

887
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: and as disappointing as that was for them, and and

888
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: still remains disappointing, I know they're it's still something that

889
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: they're they're struggling to kind of get. Yeah, it should

890
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: be offseason going into week Yeah, and it should. It was.

891
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: That was not a good showing. We all know that

892
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: it was. It was. They were shell shocked, and uh,

893
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: but I think they are really excited about the direction,

894
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: and I think they're really excited about what they saw

895
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: and the potential that's there, and they the thing that

896
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: this team has that a lot of teams don't have,

897
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: is they have playmakers. They have playmakers on both sides

898
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: of the ball, and uh, there's a lot of talent

899
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball on this team. And

900
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: I think given that, given the way that uh uh

901
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: Anthony has installed things and they've bought into his philosophy

902
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: and um all all that, all that he has brought,

903
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: the stability that he has brought to the to the

904
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: coaching staff, to the locker room itself, I think the

905
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: Chargers in a really good spot and they just need

906
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: to kind of keep kind of reload, retool, look and

907
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: just keep the singing rolling. Everybody tweaks a little bit,

908
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: but when you have back to back winning seasons with

909
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: the same head coach, you win a playoff game, you

910
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: don't have to tweak too much, right they should? Yeah,

911
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: they shouldn't. And they you know, we know they've got

912
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback who's gonna be there for at least a

913
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: couple more years that we know of or we think

914
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: we know of, so that you know, they don't have

915
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: to worry about that position. And you know, if if

916
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon can come back healthy, stay healthy, uh, he's

917
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: a he's a top running back. So they've got you know,

918
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, we know about the receivers. So these these

919
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: positions that where you need guys, they've got guys and

920
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: they you know, that offensive line. You figure it's it's

921
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: it's going to get better. If anything, if then more

922
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: they're together, and if if lamp can get himself and

923
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: involved in that more and he gets to be a

924
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: player that you know, it's just like last year with

925
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: Mike Williams. You know they need for a healthy off season.

926
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Forest name as a healthy offseason. So if you can

927
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: continue to get these guys that have been in the

928
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: program fully healthy and ready to go make an impact,

929
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: it's just like adding a new player to your team.

930
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: It is and you know, in the case of Forrests

931
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: is this is a high draft pick. He was very well,

932
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: highly touted coming out. If he can come back and

933
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: and become what everyone thought he had the chance to

934
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: be coming with the Charger certainly thought he had a

935
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: chance to become and what I know he thinks he

936
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: can become that it is like it's like a bonus,

937
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: it's huge bonus high pick that they've got this year

938
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: because we haven't seen much of him just because of

939
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: his health and it is like a I mean, that's

940
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: that's could end up being a huge, huge addition. Another

941
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: interesting name to watch is Jason Varette, and we'll see

942
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: what happens with him this offseason. But again, this was

943
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: the guy that was drafted by Tom Tolesco, made a

944
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, had some tough luck with injuries of the

945
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: last few years. We'll see if he comes back. You're

946
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: coming back next year. I know this won't be your

947
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: first Rodeo twenty twenty, Jeff. At this moment, I am

948
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: coming back, so hopefully, hopefully that doesn't change, and if

949
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: it does change, it will not be by my decision,

950
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: Believe me, no, Jeff Miller twenty twenty Indie. We love it, man.

951
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, all right, and that's gonna do it

952
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: by Thanks to Jeff Miller, Greg Casselle, and Matt Bowen

953
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: for joining me, and of course thanks to you all

954
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: for listening. Don't forget. If you like what you hear

955
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: this offseason, be sure to give us a rating and

956
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: review on Apple podcast Police help spread the word. We'll

957
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: be back next week with a free agency episode at

958
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Speaker 1: the start of the league's new year. Have a great weekend,

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Speaker 1: and until then I'm Chris Harry