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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so excited for the show today because someone

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Speaker 1: recently just kind of came back into my life. I

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Speaker 1: love how things happen for a reason, for a season,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. Call it karma, call it God's will.

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Speaker 1: But Madison Preuet Trout, you guys know her is Maddi

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Speaker 1: Prue from Peter Season of The Bachelor, had reached out

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Speaker 1: to me about something different and we started talking and

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Speaker 1: I said, you have to come on the most dramatic

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Speaker 1: podcast ever. And I love getting back in touch with

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Speaker 1: people that I kind of skipped across in my life,

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Speaker 1: whether it was on the show business whatever, and then

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Speaker 1: diving in a little deeper to see what was their

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Speaker 1: experience really, Like, you know, I have my thoughts on

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Speaker 1: how Peter Season of The Bachelor went, but that's his host.

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Speaker 1: That's as a producer, that says someone who was really

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Speaker 1: trying to facilitate entertaining you and helping Peter find love

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Speaker 1: and you know, dealing with his mom and dad and

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Speaker 1: his brother. And there's a lot of moving parts when

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Speaker 1: you're hosting and producing the show, and when you get

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Speaker 1: to kind of peel back the layers and compartmentalize a

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Speaker 1: little bit and just talk to one person. Just talk

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Speaker 1: to Maddie about her experience. What did she go through?

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Speaker 1: And these are conversations that I really haven't had with

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Speaker 1: a lot of the contestants that I worked with for

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Speaker 1: well twenty years, and so I'm really interested to talk

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Speaker 1: to her about her experience. Does she regret being on

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Speaker 1: the show? You know, I know she's a very faithful

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Speaker 1: woman and she's written a couple of books. Now we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about that. She's married to a wonderful guy,

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Speaker 1: Grant Trout, hence the Madison Pruet Trout name. Now, but

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Speaker 1: does she look back and regret anything, Does she wish

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Speaker 1: she didn't do it? Or did she learn from it?

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Speaker 1: And I find these things interesting. And also what was

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Speaker 1: her experience of going through this with Peter? When did

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Speaker 1: she know she wanted to leave for real? When did

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Speaker 1: her and Peter start talking again? And we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Barb of it all. When we went

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Speaker 1: back on the After the Funnel Row special, when Barb

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Speaker 1: said what she did on live TV and really just

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Speaker 1: said basically, you and Peter aren't right together, and you

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Speaker 1: aren't right for my son. Y'all shouldn't be together. And look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying she was wrong. And I have no

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Speaker 1: problem with Barb, I have no problem with Peter. I

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Speaker 1: have no problem with Mattie. But did those specific words

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Speaker 1: need to be said on live TV at that moment?

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Speaker 1: And how much did that affect Mattie? How much did

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Speaker 1: it hurt? And how much now does she take away

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Speaker 1: and put into the pages of the book that comes out, Well,

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Speaker 1: just came out September nineteenth, So a lot to talk about,

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Speaker 1: a lot of layers to pull back. And I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited that this woman came back into my life so

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Speaker 1: we could have this conversation. Joining me now, is Madison

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Speaker 1: pruit Trout still still a newlywed?

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Speaker 2: Still a newlywed? We are we are thriving. Last time

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Speaker 2: I saw you quite quite different circumstances. It feels good

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Speaker 2: to be where we are today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, let's see, from having Peter's mom tell

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Speaker 1: to happily married, accomplished author. Yeah, I would say life

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Speaker 1: is definitely done A one eighty for you, I would.

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Speaker 2: Say life is sitting pretty good right now.

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Speaker 1: It is bizarre. So I guess the first question is

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Speaker 1: you threw in the trout? Ye you're hyphenating? Is that

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Speaker 1: what we're doing?

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Speaker 2: We are a Trout. I actually didn't even hyphenate. I

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Speaker 2: moved prough it to middle name. So we are a

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Speaker 2: Madison Pruitt Trout. We are full, full in. We're all

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: new book, The Love Everybody Wants, which dropped Tuesday the nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: It's already crushing it. We're going to talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff, but I want to dive into something

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Speaker 1: and I might just completely take us out on a

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Speaker 2: I had a moment of like, this is going to

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Speaker 2: you wanted to keep Maddie.

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Speaker 1: Prue, Like what, Well, yeah, man, I've established myself. But

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what Laurena and I have been debating

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Speaker 2: leave your father and mother and become one. I just

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, I want to become one. My

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Speaker 2: loyalty now is no longer with my my family. That

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Speaker 2: It's like it's now, you know, I'm starting a new family.

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Speaker 2: I'm becoming one with this man, and I'm taking on

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Speaker 1: At least it's good behind it. Yeah, totally I want

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Speaker 2: Me too, me too.

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Speaker 1: But I forgot how bonkers it was completely. And the

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Speaker 2: It was insane. It was literally insane. I mean I

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Speaker 1: It was the Barb effect, as we called it.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty wild. I mean I think each moment

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, even there, like an actual real time

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, let's talk about that then, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to dive too deep into this bit. Can

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Speaker 1: we just discuss because you and I have never really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Peter season it ends with you leaving. We

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like, well our last date was we

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Speaker 1: We get to some point where we've all left Australia right,

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Speaker 1: and then he reaches out to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we I'm trying to think of how it happens.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that we had like I think we

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Speaker 1: Like that's a crazy part. At this point, we've not

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Speaker 1: exchanged numbers. Yeah, that's that's that's how crazy this can get.

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Speaker 2: It's wild. We had some mutual friend that was like

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Speaker 2: like so middle school. It was like, so, how how's

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Speaker 2: he feeling? Like, tell me what he's feeling, you know,

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Speaker 2: and uh but yeah, I mean truly that was like

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Speaker 2: then everything unfolded.

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Speaker 1: So and we get to so he reaches out to

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Speaker 1: because y'all talked before a fr after Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: Because and now had y'all seen each other or gone

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Speaker 1: You don't think that would have been a good Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just had to tell you. Everybody wants

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Speaker 1: I can get. You know, It's funny. The travel that

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Speaker 2: Not at all, honestly, not at all. I think like

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Speaker 1: I always said, if you know whether this show works

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Speaker 1: it unchanged if you don't learn so much about yourself,

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Speaker 1: because like you said, it will push all those buttons

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Speaker 1: Who was on the show, and did you ever talk

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Speaker 1: Do you keep in touch with Barb? Did you ever

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Speaker 2: Not her? But I did, I did pretty much everyone else.

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Speaker 2: I keep in touch with all the girls. I mean

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Speaker 2: I mean truly, there's I don't I can't think of

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Speaker 2: a single person that I don't have good relationship in

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Speaker 2: standing with. Kelly was at my wedding. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: at the wedding. And it's just so special, you know,

434
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: and we're.

435
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: I heard such spectacular things about your wedding, Chris Harrison.

436
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: You should have been at my wedding.

437
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: Had been officiating your wedding, But I figured, I figured

438
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: you're pretty solid in that department of marrying into plenty

439
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: of people who can officiate. But no, I did. I

440
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: I was so happy because I remember I was think

441
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: I was with Wells Adams and Ben Higgins. We were

442
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: at this golf tournament about the same time, and we

443
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: were talking about you, and I don't know if either

444
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: Ben or Wells nos Grant ornew of him Ben Ben

445
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,239
Speaker 1: Ben does okay? So Ben and they must have been

446
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: been though. That was telling Wells and I like, this

447
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: guy is salt of the earth, just a good dude.

448
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: They are so happy and was telling us all about it.

449
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: So I was really happy to hear you had found

450
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: this in your life. I feel like if anybody deserved

451
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: it, it was you.

452
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. He's truly like unbelievable. And I, I mean,

453
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: I was pretty boy crazy, like I had been on

454
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: a lot of dates, you know, and then I went

455
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: on The Bachelor and was just like at a point

456
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: where I was like, am I ever gonna Like I

457
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: felt like I was gonna have to settle in some way,

458
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: and I'm so thankful that I did it. I'm so

459
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 2: thankful that.

460
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: Had After the show, did you meet Grant?

461
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 2: It was, oh gosh, okay. So I came off March

462
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and then met him October twenty twenty one,

463
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: so it had been about a year and a year

464
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: and a half.

465
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's good. And then how did you guys

466
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: first meet it?

467
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: Was pretty wild. I was doing a podcast for my

468
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: actual my first book made for this Moment, and was

469
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: doing a podcast podcast ends the whole. One of the

470
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: hosts of the show was like, Hey, are you single?

471
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 2: And I was like, uh, who's asking? And he was like,

472
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 2: I have this friend that I want to set you

473
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: up with. And I was like, I don't do blind dates.

474
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: But he was like set on it. He was like, no,

475
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: I really think you guys would be amazing. And he

476
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: was a mutual friend, like I knew him outside of

477
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 2: just like us recording this podcast, and so I was

478
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, I'll trust you, I'll go for it. Whatever.

479
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: And so he sets Grant I up on a blind

480
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: date and I knew like nothing about Grant. Grant did

481
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: not know like anything about me, and uh. And so

482
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 2: we go into the state and I kid you not Chris.

483
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: By the end of it, I called my mom and

484
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: tears and I was like, I just met my husband.

485
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: This is the man I'm going to marry. I knew, Yes,

486
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: it was that instant. It was wild.

487
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: How long before you guys got engaged?

488
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: We dated for eight months?

489
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, that's that's amazing. And so he must have

490
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: felt the same he did.

491
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: He did. I mean, I don't know that he called

492
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: his mom crying.

493
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: That's usually no.

494
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: He was probably like it was cool, Yes.

495
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: She's cool. Yeah, I could see this. I could see

496
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: this working. And so y'all had a big wedding.

497
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: We did. We invited about four hundred people. It uh

498
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: was no small and we planned. We only had a

499
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: three month engagement, so we planned, you know, the wedding

500
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: very quickly, and it honestly, I kid you not, there

501
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: were so many God moments of things coming together that

502
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: I look back and I'm like, how did that happen?

503
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: Like how did we do all of that in three months?

504
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: I mean from like my dress, to venue, to vendors

505
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: to everything in between. It just was there were so

506
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: many little God moments and so I'm super super grateful

507
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: for that because most of the time you can't even

508
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: get like a dress within three months. So it all,

509
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: it all came together, and it was the time of

510
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: my life. It was the wedding of my dreams, and

511
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: more importantly, just got to spend it with such amazing people.

512
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 2: And I feel like the gospel was preached and we

513
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 2: were able to just share our faith and share what

514
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: our love was founded on and rooted on. And you

515
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: know that was really cool for us, having people from

516
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: all different walks of life and you know, on different

517
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: faith journeys just to be able to see that and

518
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: hear that. So it was really awesome.

519
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: And how was married? Like, Ben, I mean, you're still newlyweds,

520
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: I would call you.

521
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: So it's been so good. Now, well, I'll say the

522
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: first six months I was like whoa. I was like,

523
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: marriage is quite a quite a thing, and it was

524
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: just an adjustment, you know, living with someone, just being

525
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: with someone all the time, learning that person was it

526
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: was an adjustment. But no, it has been literally like

527
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: the greatest gift. He is truly like my biggest champion

528
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: that he pushes me and challenges me, leads me so

529
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: well and just continues to like show me what matters most.

530
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: I think I have these moments where I can like

531
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: so get in my head and I start caring about

532
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: all these little things that don't really matter, and he's

533
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: just like, Maddie, like what matters. This is what matters,

534
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: This is who you are, this is what your purpose is,

535
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: and he just like brings me back to focus and

536
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: it's it's been so so good. It I always say,

537
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: like relationships reveal, they reveal the best of you, the

538
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: worst of you. You know, you'll see in marriage the

539
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: best of someone and then the absolute worst. And so

540
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: I we've definitely already seen those moments of each other.

541
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: We've had we've had some low moments and then we've

542
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: had some unbelievable amazing moments, and then of course just

543
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: the everyday life moments. But it's been it's been really

544
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: really sweet to just be, you know, in a covenant

545
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: where it's like, hey, I choose you on your good

546
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: days and bad days and continue to remember what matters most.

547
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: It's been really sweet.

548
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: Would what would you say is the biggest adjustment to

549
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: married life?

550
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, the like just the sacrifice, Like it's

551
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: it's so when especially when you're when you're doing it

552
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: God's way and your you know, faith is like the

553
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: foundation of your marriage. It's like it's not about me,

554
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: but it's about obviously God, yes, but then also about

555
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: serving you. And that was such an adjustment for me

556
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: of just going from this perspective of like single life,

557
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: do whatever, see whoever, go wherever, Like just not not

558
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: having to give an account for someone else, not having

559
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: to think about someone else. And you know, I was

560
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: doing like meal press. I was just like getting meals

561
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: dropped off at my house. And now I'm like, I

562
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: gotta cook. I don't know how to cook. So it's

563
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's been quite just quite the adjustment of

564
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: just like even learning like little things of like, oh,

565
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 2: this is how you like to spend your mornings, this

566
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: is what you like to do on the weekend.

567
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: And because you'll din't live together, right, you didn't live

568
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: together before, so yeah, you had to you know, do

569
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: you squeeze the toothpaste in the middle? Do you leave

570
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 1: the toilet seat up? Do you think all those things

571
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: just the little.

572
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, all the little things. And I mean, thankfully,

573
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: like I do think we have such a good which

574
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: this was learned, This was not immediate, but just love

575
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 2: and respect for each other of you know, hey, I

576
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: love and value you. This this did not make me

577
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: feel loved. Can you work on this? You know? And

578
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: we have that communication going, which I'm super thankful for.

579
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: And I am I have no problem with conflict, so

580
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: I have no problem with being like, hey, I didn't

581
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: like that, let's change this and and you know vice versa.

582
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: So thankfully, like we we've learned. We learned how important

583
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: communication was very early on, because I was that person

584
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: that was like, you're supposed to read my mind, Like

585
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: why didn't you know this? And he's dude, Yeah, dude.

586
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: I know. It's sometimes I wanted to say that to

587
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Lauren too, Like you realize at the end of the day,

588
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm still a dude. I'm just a man. Like, we're

589
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: not smart animals. We're not smart animals.

590
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: You gotta be clear, like, if you want this, tell

591
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: me verbatim.

592
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: Because we're happy to give it. That's fine, right, just say.

593
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 2: It, which is so funny. I love it.

594
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: You've written two books now, obviously, the one Behind You

595
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: is the latest that dropped Tuesday, September nineteenth, The Love

596
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: Everybody Wants, And so I'm sure a lot of what

597
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: you went through on The Bachelor, what you went through

598
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: subsequently and then finding love and dealing with conflict, all

599
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: those things has found its way into the pages of

600
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: this book.

601
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. It has been. What's really really cool, I

602
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: don't know if I mentioned this earlier, but what's really

603
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: cool is I actually started writing this book single, so

604
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: I was single and honestly better. I thought about calling

605
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: the books single and Better, but my publishers were like,

606
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: that's not.

607
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: How about the love everybody?

608
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I started writing this book honestly

609
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: just mad that I wasn't married, mad that I wasn't

610
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: getting the love that I wanted, and that everybody else

611
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: seemed to be getting it. And so then it made me,

612
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: you know, kind of have an internal wrestle of like,

613
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: what's wrong with me? What's am I the problem? Like

614
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: am I hard to love? And just having all of

615
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: those doubts and you know, questioning my worth and value

616
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 2: because you know of my relationship status. And I remember

617
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: having this moment and I just I felt like one

618
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: day when I was just praying, you know, God was like, hey,

619
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 2: just pressed on my heart, Like you're not looking for

620
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: the wrong thing, Like you're looking for the right thing.

621
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: You're just taking it to the wrong places. You're trying

622
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 2: to find it in people and in the world and

623
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: in things, and like it's got to start with me,

624
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: It's got to start here. And so for me, that

625
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: was such a game changer and shift when I really

626
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: like stopped striving and being frustrated and just surrendered and

627
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: just said, hey, okay, God, Like if I'm single forever, awesome.

628
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 2: If I meet my husband next week, awesome, Like I

629
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: just trust you and just taking you know, those longings

630
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: to God. And that just totally changed everything for me.

631
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 2: So then I started thriving my singleness, and I was like,

632
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for nobody. I'm content, I'm happy. And

633
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: what's really cool about this book was I started writing

634
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: it single and bitter, then single and thriving. Then I

635
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: met Grant and we started dating, and then I got

636
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: to write even from like this authentic place of being,

637
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: in this evaluation period of like, Okay, is this God's

638
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: best for me? Is this the person I want to

639
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: spend the rest of my life with? And what you know?

640
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: Does he make me better? Do I make him better?

641
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: Are we good together? And then all the way up

642
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: until I finished the manuscript two months after we got married,

643
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: and so even got to add a little bit of

644
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: like marriage perspective in it. And the book actually ends

645
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: with like our written vowels in like the last few pages,

646
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: which is really sweet, and I'm really really I'm really

647
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: excited about it because I was able to write from

648
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: all those different vantage points because I felt like when

649
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: I was single, I was like, I just wish that

650
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: someone like my own age and like in my similar

651
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: season of life could just relate to what I'm feeling

652
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: right now. And I didn't really see a lot of

653
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: that out there. And so I think, you know, by

654
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: God's grace and kindness, I was really able to do that.

655
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: And then when I was struggling, I started realizing I

656
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: was having so many DMS from people and from girls,

657
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 2: being like, I'm struggling with my worth and value, I'm

658
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: struggling pursuing purity. I you know, am struggling feeling rejected.

659
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: How do I get over this person? How what do

660
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: I look for in the one? And uh? And I

661
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: realized I'm not the only one who has, you know,

662
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: these feelings and these doubts and these struggles, and so

663
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: it was even really cool to see and like take

664
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: that and filter that through like the writing.

665
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's important that you were able to

666
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: write through all those phases of life because I find

667
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: it interesting if you just have one perspective, if you

668
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: write from just a single bitter standpoint, it's going to

669
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be one thing. If you just wrote.

670
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: But I also, you know, I think to the other

671
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: side of that spectrum, if you just write from that

672
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: moment of euphoria where everything is perfect, you know, you

673
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: come up with these really inspirational lines and verses and things.

674
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: And that also is not relatable because people that are

675
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: single and struggling are like, well, you don't understand, like

676
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: everything's good for you tonight. And so I'm I bet

677
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: and I know you didn't plan on this because life

678
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: just took you there. But it's amazing you got to

679
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: write across this spectrum to have that kind of perspective.

680
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, truly, And what's wild is again started writing

681
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: it single, but even finishing it married, I was like,

682
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: these same principles apply, Like I still have to cling

683
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 2: to these truths and remind myself of these things even married,

684
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: Like I still have to pursue perity in marriage. I

685
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: still have to make God the foundation. I still have

686
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: to know my value and worth, Like I still have

687
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: to find that outside of my marriage and outside of

688
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: my spouse and know that I have a purpose and

689
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: know that I have things to give. And so it's

690
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: been really cool to see that even the same message

691
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: that I was writing in singleness like still applies in marriage.

692
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: You've mentioned a few times is this God's best? And

693
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: I know where you're coming from, and I like it,

694
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: but is it also a lot of pressure because if

695
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: you are trying to measure up right, measure a relationship, love,

696
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: our faults and everything up to God's best? You know,

697
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: can any relationship? Can any man or woman live up

698
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: to that?

699
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think what I mean by that personally, what

700
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: I've seen in my life is just like, is God's

701
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: peace in it? You know? Is this is this led

702
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: by God's peace? Do you have peace? Because I've been

703
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: in situations where truly the guy was awesome, he loved God,

704
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: we were on the same page everything like on paper

705
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: it was perfect, but I did not have peace Like

706
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: I could not for some reason, there was this check

707
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: in my heart of like, this is not this is

708
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: not his best. And I equate that to like I

709
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: don't have peace about it. And so for me, it

710
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: really comes down to that and just a line like

711
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: do we have you know, a similar vision for our

712
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: life or we headed on the same track? You know?

713
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: Just are you a good compliment to me to how

714
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: God's wired me? Am I a good compliment to you.

715
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 2: I mean, so many things to evaluate and figure out now,

716
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: I think at the same time, I don't know that

717
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: I necessarily believe in the one and so because of that,

718
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: I think, could I have married, you know, the guy

719
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: I dated for four years in college. Absolutely, and I

720
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: think God still would have blessed that, and I think

721
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: it would have been like a good marriage. You know. However,

722
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: I trusted that I didn't have peace, and I now

723
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: see where I am. It led me to go on

724
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: The Bachelor, It led me to be able to write books,

725
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: and it led me to now marrying like the love

726
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: of my life. And so I am so grateful that

727
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: I leaned into that lack of peace and trusted, Okay

728
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: this there's something off here, and I have to trust that,

729
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: even if it doesn't fully make.

730
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: Sense that voice. Yes, I've heard you speak on this before,

731
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's some of your testimonies

732
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: or some of the things I've heard, but you talk

733
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: about social media and I I could picture especially you,

734
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: and I find it interesting from this perspective. You come

735
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: off The Bachelor. I'm sure you have a million or

736
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: so followers. You're very beloved, and you're getting DMS and

737
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: you're getting you know, influencer deals and all that, but

738
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: that can also be a very lonely place. And whether

739
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: you are a big influencer or just my nineteen year

740
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: old daughter who has to see happy marriages the best right,

741
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: as I tell my kids, you're just seeing the best

742
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: of everything. You're not feeling that if you're in a

743
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: bad place. It just it's like a thousand paper cuts.

744
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: I guess do you talk about that in the book.

745
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: I know you've talked about it in your testimonials, but

746
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: how do we balance that?

747
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I love that you brought this up, because

748
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: one of my biggest hearts like behind this book was

749
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: I really wanted to take on this culture that we're

750
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: in today and the cultural pressures and norms and phrases

751
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: and mantras and all these things. And so actually each

752
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: of my chapters starts with some type of like cultural

753
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: phrase or trend. You know, there's like the pick me girl,

754
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: and there's you know, the drive before you buy, and

755
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: there's you know all these you know, he completes me.

756
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: There's all these different phrases and mantras that I tackle

757
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: and I add, you know, truths to a biblical truths

758
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 2: to it and just my testimony things I've experienced and

759
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: you know what I've come to see as you know,

760
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: the ultimate truth in my life. And so it's been

761
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: it's been interesting because I was definitely thrown into culture

762
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: and just social media, world pressures, thoughts, opinions a lot.

763
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: And I remember in different stages of my life when

764
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: I was twenty twenty one and all of my friends

765
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: were getting married. I mean in Alabama, everybody gets married

766
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: at twenty two years old.

767
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do the same thing.

768
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's like the thing. I mean, my

769
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 2: parents got married at eighteen, So it's a very normal

770
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: thing in you know, some cultures for that to be

771
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: the norm. And so for me, I felt like something

772
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: was wrong with me. And one of the biggest triggers

773
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: for me was social media because I was seeing it

774
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: wasn't even that I was super discontent with where I was,

775
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: but I became more discontent seeing where everybody else was.

776
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: And then it led to the idea, yeah, the the

777
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 3: what they put out there, and then what's crazy, which

778
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: which you spoke to this, But there's so much that

779
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 3: happens behind a.

780
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: Post and behind a story and behind a phone that

781
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: you're not seeing, you know, you're not seeing the tears,

782
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: the fights, the struggles, the all the things that are happening.

783
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: And for me in that season, I definitely was only

784
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: focusing on, you know, the highlights, the good things. All

785
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: my friends are married. God, why isn't that me? And

786
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: I've definitely had to protect myself, you know, in those seasons,

787
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: even in this season, like I personally have deleted social

788
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: media off my phone, and you know, I have, I

789
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: have a team, I have my my husband has it

790
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: on his phone, and there's just seasons of my life

791
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: where I just have to protect my eyes and my

792
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: heart because you know, sometimes I'm just more affected by it.

793
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: And I think you just have to lean into that

794
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: and know, like who are you following? Like what kind

795
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: of content are you taking in? Is it beneficial and

796
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: helpful to you? How much time are you spending on it?

797
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: And just those things really matter. And my husband has

798
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: done such a good job of reminding me, Maddie, like

799
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: live in the real life. You know, social media, this

800
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: world on your phone is not real like the real life.

801
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: You can you can literally turn it off and put

802
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: it off exactly will and it will matter not like

803
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: you can read all of Twitter x whatever the hell

804
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: it is, and you know threads and Instagram and TikTok

805
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: and all that, but anything that you can simply click,

806
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: put it down, walk away, and if you never went back,

807
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter in your life. That's all you need

808
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: to know. But when you were young, and you know

809
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: you were younger when you came off the backsloor, and

810
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: I think about my own daughter, You're drinking from a

811
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: fire hydrant. Your brain, your hormones, you are not at

812
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: all prepared for that at that age. I don't think

813
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: we're ever prepared to drink out of a fire hydrant

814
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: like that. It's just it's too much.

815
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I think that's so real. And

816
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: I had so many moments of like I remember when

817
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: I came off the show and just seeing so much

818
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: and reading so much and just being so affected by it.

819
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: I lost like twenty pounds. I was like not okay,

820
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: and my face was breaking out. I lost so much weight.

821
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: I was struggling with sleeping, struggling with eating, and just

822
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: not in a very healthy place. I had to like

823
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: fully get off of social media. And I've just realized,

824
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 2: like my triggers and I had to like really put

825
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: up some healthy boundaries and things like around me, bring

826
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: in accountability, bring in people, and like I have, you know,

827
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: a community of people here that I'm like, hey, I'm

828
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: believing this lie right now because of something I saw

829
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: on social media, Like I just want to confess it

830
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: to you. Will you will you pray for me? And

831
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: like that has been so so good just for me

832
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: to like bring that out into the light and all,

833
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: so you know, bring people so they have an awareness

834
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: of my struggles, so they have an awareness of my

835
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: trigger points, and they can hold me accountable and they

836
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: can pray for me. And so for me, you know,

837
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: when I'm struggling on social media, if I don't delete it,

838
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm bringing my people into it and being like, hey,

839
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: can you hold me accountable? Ask me how much time

840
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: I'm spending on here, Ask me what I see, ask

841
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: me how it's making me feel, and constantly be in

842
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: prayer for me, because yeah, I mean we all need that.

843
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: Like community is so important, And that was something about

844
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: like even this book I wanted to I wanted to

845
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: touch on the importance of like we weren't made to

846
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: go through life alone. We were made for relationships.

847
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: We're tribal people. We've always said exactly yes.

848
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: Like we need we need people. But at the same time,

849
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: the people we choose to spend our time with and

850
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: our life with matters so much. Our environment matters so much.

851
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: It shapes our becoming. It shapes our view and perspective

852
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: of our self, of life, of God, of everything. And

853
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: so those people you know that we do life with,

854
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: it's like ask ask questions like are they making me

855
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: a better version of myself? Or they pushing me to

856
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: the things that matter most? Or are they leading me

857
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: further away from it? And for me, finally finding those

858
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: people that could be my safe people and good people

859
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: was so important.

860
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: Number one, it's amazing how someone you don't know and

861
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: someone who is essentially irrelevant in your life can have

862
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: such an impact by something they say or something they do.

863
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: And that is but the confusion that that is your community,

864
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: that's not social media praise on that in our mind.

865
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: I think it gives us that you know, that dopamine

866
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: kick and that that feeling, Oh, this is our community.

867
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: I belong to something you don't. That's not real. Yeah,

868
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: you have to def it sounds like what you're saying

869
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: in the book, and what you're saying just now is

870
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: you got to define that in reality?

871
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. And it's it like for me,

872
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: this inspiration behind this book was what changed my life

873
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: was my relationship with God. And that shaped everything. That

874
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: shaped my relationships, that shaped my purpose, that shaped my identity,

875
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: my self worth, my value. It shaped like I have peace,

876
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: I have joy, I feel free like it just so

877
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: much is packed into that statement. And what I've realized

878
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 2: is I've tried to do life Mattie's way. I've tried

879
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: to do dating Matty's way. I've tried to do friendships,

880
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: relations everything Maddy's way, and it just continued to lead

881
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 2: to you know, chaos, confusion, like so much lack of peace,

882
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: just so many things. And I finally got to a

883
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: point where I was like, fine, God, you win, you win,

884
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do it your way. And I realized, like, there'

885
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: that's the that's the like secret to life is like hey,

886
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: it's it's the two Greatest Commandments, which is Matthew twenty

887
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: two thirty six through forty, which is the inspiration behind

888
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: this book. And you know, God's Jesus is saying like, Hey,

889
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: the most important thing that you can learn is to

890
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: love the Lord, your God with all your heart, to

891
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: love and to love your neighbor as yourself. And so

892
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: I really take these these three loves one love God,

893
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: two love yourself, and three love people as the foundation

894
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: of this book and what it actually looks like to

895
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: build you know, our lives on the foundation of God's love.

896
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: But then also, how do you love yourself? Like how

897
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: do you value yourself and set high standards for yourself

898
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: and know your words so that you're not coming to

899
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: other people and other things looking for them to tell

900
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: you who you are and looking for them to complete you,

901
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: which is so important.

902
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: That's and there's a subtle difference there. That's very interesting. Yeah,

903
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: go further on that. What does that mean to you?

904
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mean the like loving yourself?

905
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like coming into a relationship. I hate to say this,

906
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: but for the wrong reasons. Yeah, yeah, you know what

907
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean?

908
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: Like it?

909
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: So do you know do you talk about that in

910
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: the book and explain that?

911
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean the first like half of the book,

912
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: one of the chapters is called pick Me, another chapter

913
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: called if he wanted to he would, And another chapter

914
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: is called you know he completes me. And each of

915
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: these chapters is really speaking to this idea of like,

916
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: we've got to know our worth and value. And I

917
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: take it, you know, in the direction of like in Christ,

918
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: we've got to know who we are, you know, in Christ,

919
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: and what God thinks about us. But just in general,

920
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: our true worth and value comes not from someone else,

921
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't come from what they think about

922
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: us or how they treat us. And this perspective of

923
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: like a partner in life is meant to compliment us,

924
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: not complete us. Our purpose is not a person, Our

925
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: identity is not a relationship status. And I think when

926
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: we make someone our everything, we lose everything else because

927
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: we make them our whole world. And then we quickly realize, like, oh,

928
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: this person can't actually complete me and satisfy me, because

929
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: our hearts were made to only be whole and complete

930
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: by the one who created it. And so I talk

931
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: all about in my book just the importance of like

932
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: You've got to come, We've got to start approaching relationships

933
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: and situations from a place of confidence and value, knowing

934
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: who we are, being comfortable with who we're not, not

935
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: trying to be like someone else because then when we

936
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: do that, we don't long for acceptance and belonging. Rather,

937
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: we're able to love from acceptance and belonging because we

938
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: already know who we are, so we're not like striving

939
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: for it, and it becomes.

940
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: A value add in your life, right Exactly. You are

941
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: clearly a very vocal in your faith. I'm a faithful

942
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: person too, and we've never really talked about that, but

943
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure as much as you talk about your faith

944
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: in God and Jesus that there is backlash to that. Yeah,

945
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: And how have you dealt with How strong has that been?

946
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: Because it also is very bizarrely when you talk about

947
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: like what are the three tenets of Matty's life? It

948
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: was like love thyself, love thy neighbor, you know, like

949
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: it's all love, love, love, But yet that it can

950
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: it's something now that can be so polarizing. How have

951
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: you dealt with that? How difficult has that been?

952
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? There were moments, like I would say, right when

953
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: I came off of Reality TV, I was truly so afraid,

954
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: I think, to like take strong stances on things because

955
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: I was so afraid of what people would say, what

956
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: people would think, and how if it would offend them

957
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: and all the things. But I think like, as I've

958
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: matured more and more in my faith, surrounded myself with

959
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: good people, gotten plugged back into a local church, you know,

960
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: just gotten back to like what matters most. I've just

961
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: realized I'm like, this is all throughout scripture. This is biblical. Like,

962
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: you're going to be insulted for the name of Christ

963
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: if you profess your faith, if you stand to even

964
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: take Jesus out of it, if you stand for anything important,

965
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: You're gonna have backlash. You're gonna you're gonna if you

966
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: take a stand for something like go ahead and prepare,

967
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: you know, to to receive some hate because there's just

968
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: gonna We live in a world where there's so many

969
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: opinions and there's so much opportunity to vocalize those opinions,

970
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: and everyone feels entitled to vocalize their opinion, and so

971
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 2: you know, I think I go back to, like, there's

972
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 2: so many verses in scripture that's like if you're insulted

973
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: because of the name of Christ, you're blessed, So like,

974
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: consider it a joy, consider it a blessing. And you know,

975
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: there's been moments where I'm like, I don't know if

976
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: I believe that God, But you know, I do go

977
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: back and I'm like I at the end of the

978
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: day when I lay my head down, and I'm like,

979
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: I do believe that, because Lord, like, your love is

980
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: so worth it. It's so worth it, even if I'm

981
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: misunderstood and hated by everybody around me, You're so worth it,

982
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: and so like, Yeah, at the end of the day,

983
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: I know what matters most. I know what I believe,

984
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: I know what's true. I know what has brought freedom

985
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: and peace and hope to my life. And I'm not

986
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: going to trade that to be maybe more likable or

987
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: to be more popular. Like I'm going to cling to

988
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: what gives me life and what gives me value and

989
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: what has changed everything for me, because I've been in

990
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: the other situation, like I've been in the boat where

991
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be so liked and accepted by

992
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: everybody that I conformed to whatever everybody wanted and whatever

993
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: everybody needed, and I lost myself in the process, and

994
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: it was just this endless cycle of just clinging to

995
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: other people's opinions of me and letting other people who

996
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: didn't know who they are to find who I was

997
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: and you know, just being lost in the sauce. And

998
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: then I finally got to a point where I was like,

999
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know that this thing that

1000
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: I grew up on, you know, this thing that I

1001
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: was taught, this faith in Jesus, Like I remember the

1002
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: hope I used to have, and I want to go

1003
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: back to that moment. And so it just that's been

1004
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: my my thing for years of just like continuing to

1005
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: go back to that moment of like why why I

1006
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: believe what I believe? And even when it gets hard

1007
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: and truth be told, Like I am really careful with

1008
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 2: what I look at and see because I don't want

1009
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: to see all the hate, but I also, to be honest,

1010
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: don't want to see all the praise, Like I don't

1011
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: want to see either, Like I really want to stay

1012
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: so just normal and focused and present and just love

1013
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 2: the person in front of me and be like we

1014
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: were just talking about earlier, like in the real, in

1015
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: the here, in the now, and not so caught up

1016
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: in like oh no, they commented this, they said this

1017
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: in this magazine, they were talking about me here on

1018
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: this podcast. It's like who carees whatever?

1019
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: Like something these days?

1020
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: Right, I'm like you and me both. Yeah.

1021
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny. I always said, even during

1022
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: the highest times of the Bachelor, you know, and then

1023
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: the lowest of low's when I went through what I

1024
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: went through when I left the show, I always said,

1025
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: You're never as bad as everybody says you are. Equally,

1026
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: you're not as great as everybody says you are.

1027
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: A perspective, you don't.

1028
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: Get to believe one and believe the other. You don't

1029
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: get to pick and choose, you know, the truth. The

1030
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Maddie, congratulations on everything,

1031
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: on finding your truth, on living it, on loving it,

1032
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: being married to Grant in this beautiful life. And of

1033
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: course the book The Love Everybody Wants is already out.

1034
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: You can, I'm sure, order an Amazon, go find it

1035
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: in bookstores. Be old school, go find it in a bookstore. Yeah,

1036
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: come on, I've wrote a book as well. Actually, it's

1037
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: right here. I went through that literary process. It is

1038
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: not easy. It is a bee It is a very antiquated,

1039
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: like bizarre genre. It's you think it's very technologically advanced,

1040
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: it's not. And so, yeah, it takes a lot to

1041
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: get a book written. And now you have two it's

1042
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: just it's incredible.

1043
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's a lot, and it's a lot of

1044
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: feelings and emotions. I have so many people that have

1045
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: come up to me, like over this past week, and

1046
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: they're like, how are you feeling? And I'm like, how

1047
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: do I answer this question? Because I have poured my

1048
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: heart and soul into this book for the last two

1049
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: years and given it so much time and attention. So

1050
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm anxious, I'm excited, I'm terrified, I'm

1051
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, all the things. And I'm also just like,

1052
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: I know this message can impact a lot of people,

1053
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: and so there's also just a hope attack there's hope

1054
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 2: attached to it. But it's also the most vulnerable book

1055
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: I've ever written, and so I've only written too but

1056
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: it's the you know, still the most vulnerable book I've

1057
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: ever written. And I open up about things in this

1058
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: book that like, I've never really shared with many people,

1059
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: and so it's scary, but at the same time you

1060
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: just cling to, like, I really just hope this encourages

1061
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: and helps people.

1062
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of vulnerability. It's you know, I

1063
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: said the same thing when I was going on my

1064
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: book tour and all that that you know. There is

1065
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: an excitement, of course, but it's it's it's like you've

1066
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: had this baby. You're bearing it all to the world,

1067
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: and you feel pretty naked because these are your feelings

1068
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: and thoughts. Of Mine was a fictional romance novel, but

1069
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: a lot of my life and feelings and stories went

1070
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: into it, And so you want people to love it

1071
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: and accept it. And because it's almost like they are.

1072
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: Their love is just it's like they're accepting you because

1073
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: you so much of you is in this book. So

1074
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: it is it's difficult. So I admire it very much.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I now want to meet your daughter

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Speaker 2: because I just like feel I don't know, I like

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Speaker 2: want to. I want to see her and encourage her

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Speaker 2: and love on her because I'm like, I go back

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Speaker 2: to my nineteen year old self, and I'm like, oh

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Speaker 2: the things I would go back and tell my nineteen

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Speaker 2: year old No, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Going to connect with the two of you. Taylor is please.

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Speaker 1: She's a sophomore. She's actually just up the road for you,

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Speaker 1: because you're in Waco and she's up at TCU at

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Speaker 1: forut Worth. Oh amazing, and she is just such an

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Speaker 1: incredible soul, very faithful girl. And I'm actually going to

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Speaker 1: get her your book. She needs her. I think she

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Speaker 1: needs to read your book. I think she would love it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, No, I seriously, I'm not kidding. Like it's my

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Speaker 2: greatest passion, especially before like if I can get a

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Speaker 2: hold to like some younger versions of Maddie before she

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Speaker 2: has to experience all of the pain and heartbreak and

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00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: questioning worth and value. If I can get you know

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Speaker 2: her early on and just encourage her and speak the

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Speaker 2: truth to her and challenge her, like I would have

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00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: saved her a lot of heartbreaking moments, and some of

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00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 2: it you can't escape, but a lot of it you can.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it you can prepare and advance for.

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Speaker 2: And you know have have a strong value and foundation,

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Speaker 2: And so I would, I seriously would love to connect

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Speaker 2: with her.

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Speaker 1: As I tell my kids, I said, the only reason

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Speaker 1: i can give you this wisdom and advice is I've

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Speaker 1: tripped and fallen flat on my face on all the

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Speaker 1: hurdles that I know are in front of you. I

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Speaker 1: can't take them all out of your life. You will

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Speaker 1: fall like that will happen. But I think maybe fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of them I can probably pull out of your way,

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Speaker 1: and so if you can avoid that, don't make the

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Speaker 1: same mistakes I did. It's not because I was perfect

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Speaker 1: or I know better. It's only because I also tripped

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Speaker 1: and fell totally.

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Speaker 2: And the power of good parenting. I'm like, you have

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Speaker 2: more impacts than you'll ever know. I mean, I was

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00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: so blessed to have amazing parents.

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Speaker 1: So well, it made you the incredible basketball player you are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. My dad would appreciate that calling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Anyway, Maddie, I thank you for the time.

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Speaker 1: I was so excited we connected. And again, I think

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Speaker 1: both you and I believe there's a reason for everything,

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00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: and there's a reason that we got brought back together

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00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: again to talk. If nothing else, it was just good

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Speaker 1: to see your smiling face again and connect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I know. I'm excited. Hopefully we all

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Speaker 2: see each other soon. You got to meet.

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Speaker 1: Grant now, I have to meet Grant. I drive through

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Speaker 1: Waco about fifty times a year, going up and back

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Speaker 1: and forth between Dallas and TCU and for Worth and

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Speaker 1: all that. So one of these days, I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to pull off the side of the road.

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 1: We'll meet at the in and out of Chick fil

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Speaker 1: A right there, all thirty five we have to The

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Speaker 1: book is The Love Everybody Wants by Madison Pruitt Trout

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Speaker 1: Go check it out, go get it. Thank you. You're

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Speaker 1: an absolute doll. I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I had the best time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most

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Speaker 1: next time.