WEBVTT - Kent Stop The Feeling

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<v Speaker 1>Is this a great game or what with the Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Famer Tim Kirkshin, I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshin, And Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>you clearly did not let me know that we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to be wearing suits on today's episode. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>Jo and I are both usually wearing the same quarterzip.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now I've got a backwards hat and you're in

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<v Speaker 1>a suit, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And my shirt is on properly, which I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 2>report oud of you. We'll get to this in the takeaways.

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<v Speaker 2>But I came straight from something we're doing on YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>called The Sports Reporters with Jeremy Shapp and Howard Bryant

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<v Speaker 2>and Doug Lanville myself, and we kicked around the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame voting that from the Special Committee on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to get dressed up for that, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I went straight from that to trying to clean

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<v Speaker 2>up the house as we are preparing for Christmas. With everything,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even have time to take my tie off.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did all this work with my tie on,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we're doing the podcast. So no worries here. Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I've outdressed you, but that is standard anyway. Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean definitely standard. You definitely outdressed me

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. But I want everybody to know that

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<v Speaker 1>growing up with a dad who could do TV from

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<v Speaker 1>his office, the amount of times I've seen you in

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<v Speaker 1>a shirt and tie and jacket and khaki shorts making

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast before I go to school, or sending us off

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<v Speaker 1>for the day, or whatever it might be, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a very common occurrence in our household.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Jeff, back when, back when we moved to

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<v Speaker 2>the new house down the street, I kept our rider

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<v Speaker 2>mower and I used to mow our lawn and then

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<v Speaker 2>I would drive the rideror mower down the street and

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<v Speaker 2>mow Nana and pops lawn. But since I was always

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<v Speaker 2>doing TV every morning, because there were like ten shows

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<v Speaker 2>and ten hits, I got more hits than ty Cob

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<v Speaker 2>on a daily basis, I would often just leave my

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<v Speaker 2>coat and tie on or my tied shirt on and

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<v Speaker 2>drive down the street on the Ryder mower and mowed

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<v Speaker 2>Nana Pop's lawn. And you're too young to remember Green Acres,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what Oliver Wendell Douglas did. In the ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of that He's driving a tractor around while he's

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a coat and tie, so I'm sure I looked

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<v Speaker 2>a lot like Eddie Albert from The Great Green Acre Show,

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<v Speaker 2>very underrated of the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my mom, your wife made you give up mowing

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<v Speaker 1>the lawn, so no lawn mowing will be done in

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<v Speaker 1>a suit, said Tim, We're gonna start hiring somebody. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the time or to worry about that, And

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<v Speaker 1>she kind of looked at that as a birthday gift

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<v Speaker 1>to you, even though it was something you didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to give up. But speaking of your birthday, your birthday's tomorrow, dad,

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<v Speaker 1>your last day of being sixty eight years old.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, December the tenth. It's a birthday I share

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<v Speaker 2>with Emily Dickinson, which is pretty cool, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>great poets of all time. Also, I share with Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>Rodan and Nestor Cortes, both of whom were in the

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<v Speaker 2>Yankees rotation at the same time. And I saw Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>Rodin during the playoffs and he walked by, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to Aaron Boone and I said to Booty,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Carlos and I share the same birthday, and

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<v Speaker 2>Booney looks at me and he goes, yeah, fifty years apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Booty, I really appreciate it. And we watched the

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<v Speaker 2>Bills against the Bengals at your brother in law, Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Keenahan Kelly's house the other day, and Joe Burrow, quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>for the Bengals, also born December the tenth, and we

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<v Speaker 2>had a debate who's more handsome, kind of in the

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<v Speaker 2>rugged sense of it, Joe Burrow or me? And to

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<v Speaker 2>my surprise, I lost, but I thought I might that one.

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<v Speaker 1>He I don't know. The girls love Jef.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a joke. Joe Burrow is really him?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, might you know another person born on December tenth

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<v Speaker 1>is the very famous Melville Dewey. You might give him

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<v Speaker 1>a run for his money. Do you know Melville Melville

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<v Speaker 1>Dewey Dad? Uh No, Well, he was born in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one and he was the creator of the Dewey

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<v Speaker 1>decimal system.

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<v Speaker 2>So uh really you might.

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<v Speaker 1>Have him beat. But you both are probably equally as

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<v Speaker 1>nerdy as each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're the same age tomorrow too. Never mind. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm very excited about uh no. And because of

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Austeremeier, one of our best listeners in and he

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<v Speaker 2>sends in a lot of great stuff. He suggested that

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<v Speaker 2>we do a podcast a Team tim on the players

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<v Speaker 2>who share the same birthday, much like I share the

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<v Speaker 2>same birthday with Carlos Rodon and with Nestra Cortes, among others.

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<v Speaker 2>So later on in the podcast, we'll have the team

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<v Speaker 2>tim with shared birthdays at each position from some famous players.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed putting it together, and it was Joe's idea.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave it to me. I stole it from him.

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<v Speaker 1>Dad over the weekend. So we just moved into a

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<v Speaker 1>new house and we have been chomping at the bit

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<v Speaker 1>to entertain. This is what my wife and I love

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<v Speaker 1>to do so so much, and in our new house.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big part of the reason why why we

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<v Speaker 1>built this house was because we wanted to have a

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<v Speaker 1>more entertaining space. And we had a Christmas cookie decorating

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<v Speaker 1>party Dad with let's see, eight adults and five kids,

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<v Speaker 1>right And I'll tell you right now if I I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that party was five days ago and I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>finding little piece of little sprinkles on the floor and

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<v Speaker 1>we cleaned up really and I still across the entire

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<v Speaker 1>first floor and seeing glitter and sprinkles and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a mess. It was so fun, but it was a messy.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine it, speaking of a mess. We just

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<v Speaker 2>put our as I just told you, all of our

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas stuff up today, a bunch of trees, and even

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<v Speaker 2>though they're fake here and there, we've got pine needles

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<v Speaker 2>all over the house now. So I have to, among

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<v Speaker 2>many things today, vacuum the entire second and third floor

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<v Speaker 2>of our house because it's just filled with stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>has been pouring all over the place from the Christmas stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But our tree looks great. I told you, Jeff, we

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<v Speaker 2>bought a fake tree last year, first time we've ever

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<v Speaker 2>had a fake tree, and it was so big that

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<v Speaker 2>I am too incompetent and too small to put it together.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had to pay somebody. We had to pay

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<v Speaker 2>somebody to put our tree up in our house. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a tree that's roughly the size of one you would

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<v Speaker 2>see in the set of Montgomery Mall. Okay, it's way

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<v Speaker 2>too big for our house, but it's a great tree.

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<v Speaker 2>And it took those guys last year, two kind of

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<v Speaker 2>tree experts, two hours to put it up. So this

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<v Speaker 2>morning the tree guys had to come back. They sent

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<v Speaker 2>three people and they put that tree up in ten minutes, Jef,

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes, not two hours. I walked downstairs from doing

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<v Speaker 2>you know the what I was telling you the sports reporters,

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<v Speaker 2>and banged the tree is already done. I was so

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<v Speaker 2>happy that it didn't take two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if it took them two hours to do it

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<v Speaker 1>last year, you would have had to start on Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Day to get it up. And if you did it

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<v Speaker 1>by yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would have been a disaster if I attempted that, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, I'm terrible with my great hands, Yef,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm terrible with my hands when it comes to building anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You have great hands. I don't know where they came from,

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<v Speaker 2>but God bless you, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>I came from Uncle Matt, your brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I was pretty good at this. Mom is

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<v Speaker 2>she is at the moment putting the rest of the finishing.

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<v Speaker 2>I bring all the stuff up, I put it all

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<v Speaker 2>where it belongs, and then Mom comes along with, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the creative finishing touch.

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<v Speaker 1>She jushes it. That's her favorite word this time of year.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a little there, little there. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you saw, but she's also she texted me. She texted

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<v Speaker 1>me asking about a new rug in her living room.

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<v Speaker 1>She thinks the rug in the living room is too small.

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<v Speaker 1>She wants to get a bigger one and texted me

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of a rug. And I'm just here to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, Dad, I couldn't care less about what the

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<v Speaker 1>rug look. I don't have That's not my thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the text was my wife Emily, and she is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful colors, and this is great so they can discuss that.

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<v Speaker 2>She asked me about the rug too, And of course

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<v Speaker 2>I was absolutely no help on this because I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>bad at so many things. But it comes to home

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<v Speaker 2>decorating and then cleans up everything and gets everything in

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<v Speaker 2>it in its place. But mom and just swings through

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<v Speaker 2>and makes it all great. Our house is going to

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<v Speaker 2>look so good for Christmas. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only do you not care about rugs, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't care to cut a rug either. Not a great

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<v Speaker 1>dancer over there, You're working on its.

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<v Speaker 2>Worst dancer ever. Okay, Jeff. Please.

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<v Speaker 1>The big news of the week, obviously Sunday night, we

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<v Speaker 1>had another Major League baseball player announced to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the ballot for the twenty twenty six Cooperstown National Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame. This is very exciting news.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So Jeff Kent made it to the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna I'm going to try not to be

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<v Speaker 2>critical of anyone because this has nothing to do with anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But on this Sports Reporters thing that we did, Jeremy Shaff,

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<v Speaker 2>doug Landbill Howard Bryant and myself, we had the best time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was I thought a really interesting interview. We had

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<v Speaker 2>fun doing it. But the last question that we were asked,

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<v Speaker 2>and we went about a half an hour, was Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Kent got into the Hall of Fame. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the last question. Now, because Jeff, there's a point to

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<v Speaker 2>be made here, and I don't want to be difficult

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<v Speaker 2>or critical, but the last twenty years, Jeff, more often

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<v Speaker 2>than not, we talk about who doesn't get in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame rather than who gets in the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame. And that's always troubled me. We should first

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<v Speaker 2>be celebrating that Jeff Kent got in the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you believe it he should be or not. And

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<v Speaker 2>again I voted for Jeff Kent every year. But on

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<v Speaker 2>this Sports Reporters thing we did, which ran on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked, of course about Clemens and Bonds first because

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't even get five votes, Jeff, which means they're

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<v Speaker 2>not up for this ballot three years from now, because

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<v Speaker 2>you have to get at least five votes. They will

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<v Speaker 2>be up for one in thirty thirty two. But if

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<v Speaker 2>they don't get five votes on granted, things could change,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the voting procedure could change, But if the

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<v Speaker 2>same procedure is in place and they don't get five

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<v Speaker 2>votes in twenty thirty two, then they will be off

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<v Speaker 2>all of those ballots. So it was that's what we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about. And then of course Bonds and Clemens always

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<v Speaker 2>turned into Pete Rose. So that's mostly what we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about instead of maybe Jeff Kent getting in and what

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<v Speaker 2>the ballot was like. It's the point is, Jeff, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a really difficult process. We went over this last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Jet look at those eight guys on the list. I

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<v Speaker 2>could make a case for seven of them being Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Famers, and only one of them got in, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was the only one to really get close. Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>stel Gotto got nine votes out of sixteen you need twelve, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Don Mattingly and Dale Murphy got six votes each. They

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<v Speaker 2>missed by six votes. That's a lot to miss by

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<v Speaker 2>when you got to get twelve out of sixteen. So

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<v Speaker 2>it just shows you again how difficult it is to

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<v Speaker 2>get a seventy five percent vote. So when you looked

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<v Speaker 2>at this, Jef, what was your overall thought?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, number one thought was I'm so glad to have

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<v Speaker 1>the second Jeff in history join the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got Jeff Bagwell and Jeff Kent. Only two Jeffs

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<v Speaker 1>in the Hall of Fame. There are now I match you, Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are only two Tims in the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Rains and Tim Keith Right, two Tims and two

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffs in the Hall of Fame. So now unfortunately there

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<v Speaker 1>is Tim Kirkchin in the Hall of Fame on the

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<v Speaker 1>side for the writers. So I kind of lose this

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<v Speaker 1>argument when it says who has more Hall of Famers

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<v Speaker 1>When you yourself have been honored by the National Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, don't don't give me that look, don't

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<v Speaker 1>be humble. Just let me say that I'm proud of

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<v Speaker 1>you and that you're amazing and you deserve There are.

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<v Speaker 2>Two Tims in the Hall of Fame, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>two Jeff's in the Hall of Fame and you looked

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<v Speaker 2>it up. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I was not going to get Tim Keith honestly, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was inducted sixty five years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff, I'm so proud of you for even looking that up.

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<v Speaker 2>You're starting to think like me, although I've warned you

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<v Speaker 2>many times that it's not healthy to start to think

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<v Speaker 2>like me because I'm not always thinking about the right thing. Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the team Tims have really thrown me off

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<v Speaker 2>for this last two years. I just feel I got

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with something every But that's good, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>You got two Tims, so what else surprives anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get the Bonds and Clemens since we

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<v Speaker 2>have to do that. Yeah, last week, just give me

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on Bonds and Clemens getting fewer than five

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<v Speaker 2>out of sixteen votes when twelve are needed sixteen votes,

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<v Speaker 2>they got fewer than five. What are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I kind of said this last week, and I

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<v Speaker 1>took a little flak, as noted, But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>something that's going to be hard to ignore one day

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that there are question marks surrounding players

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<v Speaker 1>in the late eighties to mid two thousands, and there

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<v Speaker 1>always will be players that are in the Hall of

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<v Speaker 1>Fame have been questioned, right, And so I think at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, if you walk through the museum, you will

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<v Speaker 1>see Pete Rose, you will see Alex Rodriguez, you will

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<v Speaker 1>see Roger Clemens, you will see Barry Bonds, all across

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<v Speaker 1>the Hall of Fame, just not in the Black Room.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're being honored, they're in there, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just not in the Hall of Fame, if that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. But I think one day we're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to have have to have another special convening of the

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<v Speaker 1>minds because my generation grew up with these players as

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<v Speaker 1>our heroes. I was born in nineteen ninety three, so

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<v Speaker 1>the earliest I can genuinely remember baseball genuinely is like

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankees of the late nineties winning some World Series. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>How old was I at the World Let's see what

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<v Speaker 1>year was that, Tino Martinez.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were like five years old.

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<v Speaker 1>It was five, right, And that's my first true memory

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<v Speaker 1>of baseball. And then you go into Mark McGuire, you

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<v Speaker 1>go into Sammy So's, so you go into Barry Bonds.

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<v Speaker 1>Barry Bonds You've said it on the podcast, so I

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<v Speaker 1>feel comfortable saying this is arguably the greatest position player

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<v Speaker 1>of all time by the statistics. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, what I've told you before, Jeff is he's the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest hitter I've ever seen. We have to we have

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<v Speaker 2>to throw out everything else, and we know what we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about there. He's the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're asking who are the three greatest hitters

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<v Speaker 2>of all time? For me, this is my list, nobody else's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not right. It's mine, Babe, Ruth, Ted Williams, Barry Bonds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's the list, that's the order. Barry Bonds

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<v Speaker 2>is not the greatest position player ever because as great

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<v Speaker 2>a defender as he was, Willie Mays was even a

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<v Speaker 2>better defender than Barry Bonds was. And that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>would put Willie Mays ahead of him, in part because

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<v Speaker 2>Willie Mays apparently did it in a cleaner way than

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<v Speaker 2>certainly a clean way, but cleaner way than Barry Bonds.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and I just think there's going to be a time,

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<v Speaker 1>Dad where writers of my generation. So I'm thirty two now,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll have to be patient. We'll just say we're

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<v Speaker 1>having a special convening of you know, this new group

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<v Speaker 1>of writers, and we're going to address the steroid Era.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to call it the you know Veterans

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<v Speaker 1>Committee or anything. It's gonna be the Steroid Era Committee.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to say we let them all in,

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<v Speaker 1>and we let none of them, and what are we

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<v Speaker 1>doing now? And I think it's just going to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be a long time from now,

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<v Speaker 1>ten twenty years, but we have this conversation every year.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually they're going to get in now. That's my firm belief.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether they want to. A lot of them have said, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really care. I've kind of lost my hope

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<v Speaker 1>on that. And whether they're around or not, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in evention.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Jeff, we need a nationwide conversation about this. What

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<v Speaker 2>do we do because this really thorny, difficult, controversial problem

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<v Speaker 2>has been flipped into the lapse of the writers and

0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.840
<v Speaker 2>people say, you guys, figure this out. Well, we're the

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<v Speaker 2>first to tell you we're not good enough to figure

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<v Speaker 2>this out. Neither is any other group out there. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very proud of the work that the Baseball writers does.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's really hard to look at your ballt these

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<v Speaker 2>days and figure out what to do because I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable being the moral arbiture on all things. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you have to be among many other things. So,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Jeff, getting back to the whole character clause.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as far as character goes, Don Mattingly and

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<v Speaker 2>Dale Murphy are like at the top of my list

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<v Speaker 2>of all the guys that I've covered over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I've ever met two guys who cared

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<v Speaker 2>more about playing the game properly, carrying themselves and conducting

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<v Speaker 2>themselves the right way. Their numbers are really good, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think in either case they're one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame numbers. But if the character clause works

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<v Speaker 2>against certain people, why can't it work for certain people?

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<v Speaker 2>That was part of the discussion we had today on

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<v Speaker 2>the sports reporters. And when you hear that jet, what

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<v Speaker 2>as a young person do you think.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the worldwide debate, especially in the age of

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<v Speaker 1>social media. Dad, You know, you see players all the

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<v Speaker 1>time who say, I didn't sign up to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anybody's hero. I signed up to play basketball or baseball

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<v Speaker 1>or football or whatever. But then you see guys like

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<v Speaker 1>Shaquille O'Neil. I think Shaquille O'Neil is a great example

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<v Speaker 1>of for some arguably the greatest center of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know. I don't wanna talk basketball because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not my field of expertise, but he was a

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<v Speaker 1>menace out there on the court. He was scary. Nobody

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.040
<v Speaker 1>wanted to guard Shack. But he's also like the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>guy off the court when it comes to still to

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<v Speaker 1>this day, going into walmart in buying bikes for kids

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<v Speaker 1>or engagement rings for young men who they see in

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<v Speaker 1>the Jeweys Shore.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, these.

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<v Speaker 1>Videos are documents, and he knows this is part of

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<v Speaker 1>his gig. He says, this is I'm famous, and these

0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.919
<v Speaker 1>are things I have to do. This is part of

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<v Speaker 1>the deal when you become an NBA player, And he

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<v Speaker 1>preaches that about our players every day, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>think they owe something and I think character, Dad, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>should count in a way. And I'm not gonna listen

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<v Speaker 1>any names, but I know because I ask you privately,

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<v Speaker 1>because this was one of my favorite questions to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you as a kid, was, Hey, this is he a

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<v Speaker 1>nice guy. But as a kid, that meant something to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you would tell me a player was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not the nicest guy out there, that would make me

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<v Speaker 1>feel differently about the player. And I think it should.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you talk about you know, Don Mattingly and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, he's one of the best guys in the league,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that should count in his favor. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt about that. Dad, There's no doubt that this

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<v Speaker 1>should count in people's favor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Jeah, And it shouldn't just count for a child

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.919
<v Speaker 2>like you were, It should count for adults also. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, never forget. Jim Dwyer, who I covered

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<v Speaker 2>with the Orioles, once famously said, you know, heaven is

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<v Speaker 2>for good people. The Hall of Fame is for baseball players.

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<v Speaker 2>And he didn't mean it. He didn't mean it like

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<v Speaker 2>all baseball players are bad or good, or everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Heaven is good all that stuff. He was

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to make a point that there's some bad

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<v Speaker 2>guys who made it to the Hall of Fame, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what we have to deal with as voters,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a very difficult process. No sympathy required. I

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<v Speaker 2>have friends of mine who have given up their vote

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't want to deal with this. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable dealing with this, they feel hypocritical dealing with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not giving up my vote because it's that important

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<v Speaker 2>to me, But I will tell you I encourage anyone

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<v Speaker 2>to sit down with a Hall of Fame ballot. Sit

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<v Speaker 2>down with that ballot that those guys had to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the other day. Eight guys, and you only get

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<v Speaker 2>three votes, Jef. That three votes is really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out. And that's why only Jeff Kent got in.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jeff Kent. Jeff again, most home runs ever buy

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<v Speaker 2>a second basement, most RBIs ever buy a second baseman.

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<v Speaker 2>And his slugging percentage was five hundred. Jeff. The only

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<v Speaker 2>other second basement in history who had a career on

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<v Speaker 2>base percentage I mean slugging percentage of five hundred is

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers Hornsby, who is, at least for me, the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>second basement of all times. So that's why I voted

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<v Speaker 2>for Jeff Ken. I think he was a better defensive

0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.080
<v Speaker 2>player that people gave him credit for, but it just

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<v Speaker 2>for some people, it's just odd that he was on

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<v Speaker 2>the same team with Barry Bonds and Jeff kenson the

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame at Barry Bonds. Is that bothers some people?

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<v Speaker 2>And I certainly understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Dad, it's sad too because Jeff Ken as

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<v Speaker 1>many as home runs as he hit as the second baseman,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still not the home run leader. Last name K which,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm not mistaken, is that Harmon Killerbrew it is?

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<v Speaker 2>It's kay, Yes, Jeff, you're doing really well here.

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<v Speaker 1>And wait, hold on, is Carlos stel Gatto D?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Carlos stell Gotto is D And.

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<v Speaker 1>He was up on the ballot and he didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>enough votes. But we need to get more of these

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<v Speaker 1>alphabetic alphabetical leaders into the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>Day right, right again. Carlos Stelgatto might have been the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who missed out on having four spots that you're

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to vote for because he got nine votes. He

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<v Speaker 2>missed by three. Maybe if you could have voted for four,

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos Delgado will be in. There are enough people who

0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 2>believe Carlos Delgado is the best clean player not in

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the Hall of Fame. And we talked about this last week, Jeb.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's important these special committees are designed

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<v Speaker 2>for people such as Carlos Delgado, who is only time

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<v Speaker 2>on the Writer's ballot. He didn't even get five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the vote, which knocked him off of the ballot

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 2>by rule. But remember there were thirteen Hall of Famers

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.720
<v Speaker 2>on the ballot the one time he went on the

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Writer's ballot thirteen. So he went on at a really

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<v Speaker 2>bad time, and he deserved a second chance, and he

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<v Speaker 2>got it, and he didn't make it to the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame. But he's going to get another chance in

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<v Speaker 2>three years, so we can re examine his numbers, because

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<v Speaker 2>they are pretty darn impressive. As I told you, Jeff

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Homer's RBI's ops. He's one of fourteen players that have

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<v Speaker 2>those levels in the history of baseball. Pretty darn good.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, we have to take a minute to

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<v Speaker 1>say sorry to our neighbors to the north in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>They've had a rough month. I'm not trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>funny or kitchy here, but you know, you lose to

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the Los Angeles Dodgers, that monster team. You'll almost take

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>him down in the World Series. And then Carlos Delgatto,

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 1>who spent you know, ten seasons plus in in Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't make the World Series. So to Blue

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<v Speaker 1>Jays fans out there, we hear you, we feel you.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got family in Canada. I know Uncle Craig right now, Dad,

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>your cousin, we feel for you. I'm sure it was

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 1>tough not seeing in. But Carlos Delgatto will go in.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I wrong in.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying that there?

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<v Speaker 1>You'll make it?

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<v Speaker 2>Someday he will be a Hall of Famer. And just

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<v Speaker 2>because Don Mattingly and Dale Murphy didn't make it and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people were hoping that they would, they

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<v Speaker 2>still have a shot to do this someday. And because

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<v Speaker 2>each of them got at least six votes, it's possible

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 2>they'll be on the same ballot three years now. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move forward on this date in baseball history. Today

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 1>is December the ninth, not December the tenth. Your birthday,

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>even though I think we had an episode come out

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>on your birthday last year, doesn't matter. December the ninth,

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>what do you.

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Have this day? In nineteen sixty five, this was a

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 2>famous trade. The Red sent Frank Robinson to the Baltimore

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Orioles for Milton Pappis, Jack Balchin and another pitcher another player,

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and it turned out to be one of the great

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:43.800
<v Speaker 2>trades in Oriel history. The general manager of the Reds

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:48.439
<v Speaker 2>felt that Frank Robinson was getting old. And what he

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 2>did in nineteen sixty six he won the Triple Crown,

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 2>He won the MVP, making him then the first player

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 2>ever to win the MVP in both leagues, and they

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 2>won the World Series year and Brooks Robinson famously Well,

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Brooks Robinson told me, Frank Robinson taught us how to win. Jeff,

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 2>is not a greater compliment that you could say anyone

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 2>that that guy came to our team and taught us

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 2>how to win. That covers everything, interestingly. And Frank Robinson

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>is one of the most underrated players of all time.

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 2>He never led the league in any category in any

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 2>season other than the year that he won the Triple

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 2>crowd and then he led the league in average home

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 2>runs and RBIs isn't that weird?

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>That is crazy to think about. If you're going to

0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 1>do it all, do it all. If you're not going

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 1>to do it, don't do it.

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 2>That's insane, right, Pretty good? So that's Frank Robinson. Great

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 2>trade for the Orioles ended up turning them into a

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 2>superpower in the sixties. This day. In nineteen ninety two,

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Greg Maddock signed a five year contract with the Braves,

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:04.160
<v Speaker 2>and Jeff google Greg Mannox's statistics and look at those

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 2>numbers that he ran up as a member of the Braves.

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Because when people ask who's the greatest free agent signing ever,

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Greg maddox is in that conversation. I mean he won

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 2>four Cy youngs in a row soon after signing with

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the Braves, Do I have that right? Yeah?

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, ninety two with the Cubs free agent signing ninety

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 1>three Cy Young, ninety four, Cy Young, ninety five Cy Young.

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So his first three years in Atlanta he wins to

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 1>say young after winning it in Chicago.

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, That's how great, That's how great. Greg maddox was

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.959
<v Speaker 2>speaking of free agent signings on this date. In twenty

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:47.959
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, shoheo Otani signed for ten years, seven hundred

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 2>million to go to the Dodgers. And we were in

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas, Jeff for your Let's see, this was winter meetings.

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 2>When was the Yeah, so.

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>That would have been McKinley's baptism, my daughter's baptism, right, yeah,

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>because it was December's right around your birthday obviously the

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>day before.

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, that's so cool. Yeah, that's how I remember.

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 2>We were in Las Vegas when it was officially announced

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>that Shoe had signed with the Dodgers. So that was famous.

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 2>On this date, in nineteen sixty five, branch Ricky died.

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Branch Ricky, of course, is one of the great executives

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.719
<v Speaker 2>in the history of baseball. Of course, he signed Jackie

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Robinson and brought him to the big leagues in nineteen

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 2>forty seven. He also was the guy, you know, credited

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 2>with inventing the farm system in baseball, which is the

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 2>lifeblood of many organizations today. So branch Ricky was pretty great.

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Who played branch Rickey. Let's see if you remember in

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the movie forty two, which was a great movie by

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the way.

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, such a great movie. I can't remember.

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Famous actor, Jeff famous actor.

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, don't tell me because this is this is where

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I need to shine, Okay, branch Ricky. Oh was it

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Ford? Yes, very, I'm glad you got that. Yes, yeah, incredible,

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>now dad, did you know that? On this date, also,

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Larry Bird ended his streak of fifty nine consecutive free

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>throws made back in nineteen eighty seven, fifty nine.

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on the State nineteen eighty seven.

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 2>That's so good. I think I have this story correct.

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 2>That Dan Shaughnessy, our dear friend who's been on our

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>podcast before, one of the great sports columns in America,

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame baseball writer. He used to cover Celtics,

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>of course, and he was Larry was on the court

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 2>before the game and he was, you know, shooting free throws,

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 2>getting ready for the game, and Shaughnessy said something like,

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm writing a story about your free throws, and so

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 2>don't mess it up. Don't miss one tonight, whatever you do.

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 2>And I believe that was the night that Larry Bird's

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>streak ended. And when he missed it, I believe he

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>looked at Dan Shotsy like, this is your fault. You

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>told me before the game, don't mess up my story

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>by missing a free throw, and then he missed a

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>free throw. Yeah, Larry is until Steph Curry came along,

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Larry is the greatest shooter I've ever seen. And he

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have the range of Steph Curry, but you know,

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty feet and in. I'll take Larry with just about

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 2>anyone in the history of the sport. That's how great

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Larry Bird was.

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Now, Dad, that was a great follow up story. But

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm shocked. And the one reason why I brought this

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>story up was because I thought you were going to

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>talk about Kelly kirkshin.

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, well we better since Yeah. So, Kelly

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 2>in high school made fifty four out of fifty six

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 2>free throws her senior year. She broke the school record

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 2>for consecutive free throws twice within the same season. The

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>record was nineteen. She made thirty two in a row,

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 2>missed one, looked over at me at the scorer's table

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and goes, oh my god, how did that happen? What

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 2>am I going to do? Now? Well, then she made

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty in a row after that, breaking the record again,

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and then missed one and made the final one. So

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 2>she made fifty four out of fifty six free throws

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>her senior year. The lesson here is Kelly is five

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>foot two and she was I think the greatest female

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>free throw shooter in the history of Montgomery County. And

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I still give her a hard time about that, and

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I embarrass her daily. But it's okay.

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I think you played in Montgomery County too. What was

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>your stat line your senior year for free throws?

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, Jeff, and.

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Not nearly as good, respectfully, I mean respectfully, four out

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>of fifty six.

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not ninety nine percent of the NBA free throw

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>shooters have never made fifty four out of fifty six.

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>That's what your sister did.

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Pretty good, all right, Dad, Let's wrap up today's episode

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>with a very special Team ten that we talked about

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>at the top of the show. When it comes to birthdays, tomorrow, Dad,

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>is your sixty ninth birthday, Early birthday to you. I'm

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>excited because this weekend you're coming to our new house

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>and you're going to celebrate birthday, Christmas, the whole thing

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>with us. It's gonna be great.

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be great, and you're gonna put us to

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>work and we're gonna do some good stuff around your

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>house and it's gonna be great. All right. So, Joe Austebier,

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 2>our friend from Saint Louis who comes up with some

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:24.719
<v Speaker 2>great ideas, why don't you do a team tim of

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>players who share the same birthday. So this isn't like

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>these are just ones that I know and things that

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 2>tickle me They're not necessarily the best at each position,

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's I think we have to start

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>at first base with Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell, what

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>is what do they share, Jeff, besides a birthday?

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, didn't they win the MVP in the same year.

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they are the same age, so they're not

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>sharing a birthday ten years apart. They were born exactly

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 2>the same day and they both won the MVP in

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four. Our second basement is Harris and Ian Kinsler.

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 2>So I told you this story once that Ian Kinsler

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>came up to me once and he said, I know

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 2>something about statistics that you don't know. I can't wait

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to tell you. So he said, last night, he said,

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Willie Harris and I hit a home run in the

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 2>same game, and we're playing the same position, and we

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>share the same birthday. And he said, that's the first

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>time in Major League history that that had ever happened.

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>And he was right. So yes, Willie Harris and Ian

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Kinsler are second baseman because they share the same birthday

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 2>and they hit a home run get in the same

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>game at both playing the same position. I love that

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>third base is Max Munsey and the other, Max Munsey,

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 2>who is active with the Oakland A's, and they're not related.

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of an unusual name, don't you think, Jeff,

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>and they share the same birthday.

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>It's funny, don't you say, make any sense that they

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>not only have an unusual name, but they also have

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the same birthday.

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Right right, and they're not related. I love it. The

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>shortstop and I find this interesting. Carlos Carrea, of course,

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>used to be the shortstop for the Astros, and then

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 2>he left by a free agency and he was replaced

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 2>by Jeremy Payinam and they share the same birthday. So

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Correa leaves, the guy who replaces him has the same birthday. Now,

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 2>of course, Korea is back on the Astros. He plays

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 2>third base. Pay you play shortstop every day, so the

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 2>same birthday is playing shortstop and third base every day.

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I get such a kick out

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 2>of these things, but I do so. Joe Ostermeier, he

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 2>also sent in that Ken Griffy Junior and Stan Musial

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:52.240
<v Speaker 2>share the same birthday and they're two of the greatest

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 2>players of all time to left handed hitting outfielders, and

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>they're both from DeNora, Pennsylvania. To Jeff, what are the

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 2>chances of that two players that great from the same

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>hometown and share the same birthday many many years apart. Amazing.

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>That's my favorite birthday share right there, and it's gotten

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>brought up on the show before because the same town,

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>small town. I mean, you just got to name the

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>day after them at that point and switch off a

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 1>year after year.

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Right right. Our second outfielders are Ozzy and Jose Canseco,

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>who of course are twins, so of course they're born

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>on the same day. We used to joke. Dan Shaughnessy

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>used to joke all the time that Jose was much

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 2>better than his brother, even though his brother was a

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 2>major leaguer and hit a few home runs, that they

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Jose should just put on Ozzie's uniform after and at bat,

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 2>and then he would get like, he would get like

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 2>eight at bats every day, pretending to be his brother

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 2>because he couldn't tell the difference between the two. I

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 2>don't think he'd get away with it. Only Dan would

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 2>think of something light that, right, So I had to

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 2>come up with a third outfield group. So I had

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:05.720
<v Speaker 2>to go looking for, you know, outfielders, so Richie Zisc

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and Babe Ruth shared same birthday. I picked the greatest

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.240
<v Speaker 2>player ever, Babe Ruth and Richie's this. Do you remember

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 2>the Steve Russian thing on RICHIE'SISC? Now, remember remember when

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 2>he we found out that the pope is a White

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Sox fan at RICHIE'SISC used to play for the White Sox.

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 2>As Steve Russian said, this is the only pope ever

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:31.839
<v Speaker 2>that would say use this line, take your What did

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>he say, take your risk with Ricky Richie's Richie, Yeah,

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 2>that was I think that's what he said. Right, it

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 2>was so bad? All right, Willie Mays and Jose Altuveay

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>share the same birthday. Now, Jeff, you need to tell

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:50.399
<v Speaker 2>us what that birthday is, because Steve Spark's our dear

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:55.319
<v Speaker 2>friend mentioned Jose Altuvey's birthday.

0:36:55.000 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Is any number twenty seven, So he's he's February the seventh, right, No, no, no.

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>He remember his height is the same as his birthday.

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>His height as what Jeff, oh oh oh.

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh, May the sixth, Right, May the sixth is Jose

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 2>al Tuve is five to six born on May the sixth,

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>and he shares the same birthday with Willie Mays wow right,

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 2>and Mickey Mantle and Juan Gonzalez shared the same birthday.

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>They both won multiple MVPs. Who Else Shares a Birthday?

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Former guest on our podcast Who Else Shares a Birthday?

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>With Mickey Mantle? Think Jeff early on he wore a

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>seven in his name always because he was born on

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<v Speaker 2>the same day as Mickey Mantle wore a seven in

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<v Speaker 2>his name. Our greatest number, thirty seven ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Hernandez, Yes, oh that was it right. Took me

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<v Speaker 1>a second. Lots of clud we said early on, I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking Eduardo, and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, Jeff, that was good. You got it, very good.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Our pitchers, we have a bunch of pitchers here.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we have the Rogers twins who pitched. Taylor

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>and Tyler Rogers twins pitched in the major leagues. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>they share the same birthday. Of course, we had Homer

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<v Speaker 2>Bailey and Ryan Dempster, who on May the third, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>started a Major League game against each other on their

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<v Speaker 2>shared birthday. That had never happened before. And as Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Depster said, that's my only contribution to the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the Hall of Fame because they took my

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<v Speaker 2>glove or my scorecard from that game, because Homer Bailey

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<v Speaker 2>and Ryan Depster started a game each other on their

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<v Speaker 2>shared birthday in twenty twelve, and the last one, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>since this is the theme of the day, Carlos Rodon

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<v Speaker 2>and you, Nestra Cortez tenth, there you go, sharing it

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<v Speaker 2>with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tim Kirkshin with a sixty five mile per hour

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<v Speaker 1>strike right down the middle. If you had to throw,

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<v Speaker 1>if I gave you an hour to warm up, how

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<v Speaker 1>fast do you think you could throw a ball?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I told you when I was sixty five years old,

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<v Speaker 2>you threw sixty five. I was able to throw my

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<v Speaker 2>age at age sixty five. Now that's certainly nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>brag about, but you asked me a question, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what I could do today because I'm almost

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine years old. But when I was sixty five,

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<v Speaker 2>I threw a baseball at the same speed as my age, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, and a lot of people have the goal of

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<v Speaker 1>hitting their age in golf. I just don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to play the same way I'm playing now

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm one hundred and eight, because that's usually where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm landing.

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<v Speaker 2>These stakes, right yeah, Jeff, You're you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>do well. We're all gonna have to play pretty late

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<v Speaker 2>if we're going to shoot our age. But never mind.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the all shared team tim for baseball. And

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<v Speaker 2>we've got the Winter meetings this week and we've got

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas coming up. We're gonna have some special stuff. What

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to have for Christmas? Jeff? For special

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<v Speaker 2>stuff on the podcast, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Are going to put together what we did last year

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<v Speaker 1>as well, which was one highlight moment from each of

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<v Speaker 1>our interviews for the season. So I'm going to start

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<v Speaker 1>compiling putting those all together for all of you, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be really special. So make sure to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the lookout for our little Christmas gift back

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<v Speaker 1>to you. All right, Dad, get back to the people

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<v Speaker 1>setting up your Christmas decor, and just be careful on

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<v Speaker 1>those ladders, all right, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>They only spend about an hour and a half in

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<v Speaker 2>here helping us put up the tree and doing some

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 2>things that I'm simply not capable of doing. But the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it, I have been very, very helpful in

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<v Speaker 2>this whole process, and I just love to look at

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<v Speaker 2>the house the first night when all the lights are up,

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<v Speaker 2>all the trees up, everything else. It's gonna be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for listening. As always, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>being a part of our family. M HM