1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshin, I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshin, And Dad, 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: you clearly did not let me know that we were 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: going to be wearing suits on today's episode. All right, 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Jo and I are both usually wearing the same quarterzip. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: Right. 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: Well, now I've got a backwards hat and you're in 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: a suit, right. 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: And my shirt is on properly, which I'm happy to 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: report oud of you. We'll get to this in the takeaways. 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: But I came straight from something we're doing on YouTube 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: called The Sports Reporters with Jeremy Shapp and Howard Bryant 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: and Doug Lanville myself, and we kicked around the Hall 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: of Fame voting that from the Special Committee on Sunday, 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: and I had to get dressed up for that, and 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: then I went straight from that to trying to clean 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: up the house as we are preparing for Christmas. With everything, 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: I didn't even have time to take my tie off. 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: So I did all this work with my tie on, 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,639 Speaker 2: and now we're doing the podcast. So no worries here. Jeff, 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry I've outdressed you, but that is standard anyway. Correct. 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean definitely standard. You definitely outdressed me 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: on this show. But I want everybody to know that 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: growing up with a dad who could do TV from 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: his office, the amount of times I've seen you in 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: a shirt and tie and jacket and khaki shorts making 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: breakfast before I go to school, or sending us off 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: for the day, or whatever it might be, this is 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: a very common occurrence in our household. 30 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jeff, back when, back when we moved to 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: the new house down the street, I kept our rider 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: mower and I used to mow our lawn and then 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: I would drive the rideror mower down the street and 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: mow Nana and pops lawn. But since I was always 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: doing TV every morning, because there were like ten shows 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: and ten hits, I got more hits than ty Cob 37 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: on a daily basis, I would often just leave my 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: coat and tie on or my tied shirt on and 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: drive down the street on the Ryder mower and mowed 40 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: Nana Pop's lawn. And you're too young to remember Green Acres, 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: but that's what Oliver Wendell Douglas did. In the ridiculous 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: beginning of that He's driving a tractor around while he's 43 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: wearing a coat and tie, so I'm sure I looked 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: a lot like Eddie Albert from The Great Green Acre Show, 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: very underrated of the sixties. 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Well, my mom, your wife made you give up mowing 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: the lawn, so no lawn mowing will be done in 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: a suit, said Tim, We're gonna start hiring somebody. You 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: don't have the time or to worry about that, And 50 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: she kind of looked at that as a birthday gift 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: to you, even though it was something you didn't want 52 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: to give up. But speaking of your birthday, your birthday's tomorrow, dad, 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: your last day of being sixty eight years old. 54 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: That's right, December the tenth. It's a birthday I share 55 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: with Emily Dickinson, which is pretty cool, one of the 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: great poets of all time. Also, I share with Carlos 57 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: Rodan and Nestor Cortes, both of whom were in the 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: Yankees rotation at the same time. And I saw Carlos 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: Rodin during the playoffs and he walked by, and I 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: was talking to Aaron Boone and I said to Booty, 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: you know, Carlos and I share the same birthday, and 62 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: Booney looks at me and he goes, yeah, fifty years apart. 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: Thanks Booty, I really appreciate it. And we watched the 64 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: Bills against the Bengals at your brother in law, Mark 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: Keenahan Kelly's house the other day, and Joe Burrow, quarterback 66 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: for the Bengals, also born December the tenth, and we 67 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: had a debate who's more handsome, kind of in the 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: rugged sense of it, Joe Burrow or me? And to 69 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: my surprise, I lost, but I thought I might that one. 70 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: He I don't know. The girls love Jef. 71 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: It was a joke. Joe Burrow is really him? 72 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: Well, might you know another person born on December tenth 73 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: is the very famous Melville Dewey. You might give him 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: a run for his money. Do you know Melville Melville 75 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: Dewey Dad? Uh No, Well, he was born in eighteen 76 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: fifty one and he was the creator of the Dewey 77 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: decimal system. 78 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 2: So uh really you might. 79 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: Have him beat. But you both are probably equally as 80 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: nerdy as each other. 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: And we're the same age tomorrow too. Never mind. Yeah, 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: so I'm very excited about uh no. And because of 83 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: Joe Austeremeier, one of our best listeners in and he 84 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: sends in a lot of great stuff. He suggested that 85 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: we do a podcast a Team tim on the players 86 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: who share the same birthday, much like I share the 87 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: same birthday with Carlos Rodon and with Nestra Cortes, among others. 88 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: So later on in the podcast, we'll have the team 89 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: tim with shared birthdays at each position from some famous players. 90 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: I enjoyed putting it together, and it was Joe's idea. 91 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: He gave it to me. I stole it from him. 92 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: Dad over the weekend. So we just moved into a 93 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: new house and we have been chomping at the bit 94 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: to entertain. This is what my wife and I love 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: to do so so much, and in our new house. 96 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: It's a big part of the reason why why we 97 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: built this house was because we wanted to have a 98 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: more entertaining space. And we had a Christmas cookie decorating 99 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: party Dad with let's see, eight adults and five kids, 100 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: right And I'll tell you right now if I I 101 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: mean that party was five days ago and I'm still 102 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: finding little piece of little sprinkles on the floor and 103 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: we cleaned up really and I still across the entire 104 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: first floor and seeing glitter and sprinkles and it was 105 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: a mess. It was so fun, but it was a messy. 106 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: I can imagine it, speaking of a mess. We just 107 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: put our as I just told you, all of our 108 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: Christmas stuff up today, a bunch of trees, and even 109 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: though they're fake here and there, we've got pine needles 110 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 2: all over the house now. So I have to, among 111 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 2: many things today, vacuum the entire second and third floor 112 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: of our house because it's just filled with stuff that 113 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: has been pouring all over the place from the Christmas stuff. 114 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: But our tree looks great. I told you, Jeff, we 115 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: bought a fake tree last year, first time we've ever 116 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: had a fake tree, and it was so big that 117 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: I am too incompetent and too small to put it together. 118 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: So we had to pay somebody. We had to pay 119 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: somebody to put our tree up in our house. It's 120 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: a tree that's roughly the size of one you would 121 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 2: see in the set of Montgomery Mall. Okay, it's way 122 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: too big for our house, but it's a great tree. 123 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: And it took those guys last year, two kind of 124 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: tree experts, two hours to put it up. So this 125 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: morning the tree guys had to come back. They sent 126 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: three people and they put that tree up in ten minutes, Jef, 127 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: ten minutes, not two hours. I walked downstairs from doing 128 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: you know the what I was telling you the sports reporters, 129 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: and banged the tree is already done. I was so 130 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: happy that it didn't take two hours. 131 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Well, if it took them two hours to do it 132 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: last year, you would have had to start on Labor 133 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Day to get it up. And if you did it 134 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: by yourself. 135 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been a disaster if I attempted that, because, 136 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: as you know, I'm terrible with my great hands, Yef, 137 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm terrible with my hands when it comes to building anything. 138 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: You have great hands. I don't know where they came from, 139 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: but God bless you, Jeff. 140 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: I came from Uncle Matt, your brother. 141 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was pretty good at this. Mom is 142 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: she is at the moment putting the rest of the finishing. 143 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: I bring all the stuff up, I put it all 144 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: where it belongs, and then Mom comes along with, you know, 145 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: with the creative finishing touch. 146 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: She jushes it. That's her favorite word this time of year. 147 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: Just a little there, little there. I don't know if 148 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: you saw, but she's also she texted me. She texted 149 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: me asking about a new rug in her living room. 150 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: She thinks the rug in the living room is too small. 151 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: She wants to get a bigger one and texted me 152 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: a picture of a rug. And I'm just here to 153 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: tell you, Dad, I couldn't care less about what the 154 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: rug look. I don't have That's not my thing. But 155 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: on the text was my wife Emily, and she is like, oh, 156 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: beautiful colors, and this is great so they can discuss that. 157 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: She asked me about the rug too, And of course 158 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: I was absolutely no help on this because I'm so 159 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: bad at so many things. But it comes to home 160 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: decorating and then cleans up everything and gets everything in 161 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: it in its place. But mom and just swings through 162 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 2: and makes it all great. Our house is going to 163 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: look so good for Christmas. Yeah. 164 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: And not only do you not care about rugs, you 165 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: don't care to cut a rug either. Not a great 166 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: dancer over there, You're working on its. 167 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: Worst dancer ever. Okay, Jeff. Please. 168 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: The big news of the week, obviously Sunday night, we 169 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: had another Major League baseball player announced to be on 170 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: the ballot for the twenty twenty six Cooperstown National Baseball 171 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. This is very exciting news. 172 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: Right, So Jeff Kent made it to the Hall of Fame, 173 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna I'm going to try not to be 174 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: critical of anyone because this has nothing to do with anything. 175 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: But on this Sports Reporters thing that we did, Jeremy Shaff, 176 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: doug Landbill Howard Bryant and myself, we had the best time. 177 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: It was I thought a really interesting interview. We had 178 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: fun doing it. But the last question that we were asked, 179 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: and we went about a half an hour, was Okay, 180 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: Jeff Kent got into the Hall of Fame. That was 181 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: the last question. Now, because Jeff, there's a point to 182 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: be made here, and I don't want to be difficult 183 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: or critical, but the last twenty years, Jeff, more often 184 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: than not, we talk about who doesn't get in the 185 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame rather than who gets in the Hall 186 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: of Fame. And that's always troubled me. We should first 187 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: be celebrating that Jeff Kent got in the Hall of Fame, 188 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: whether you believe it he should be or not. And 189 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: again I voted for Jeff Kent every year. But on 190 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: this Sports Reporters thing we did, which ran on YouTube, 191 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: we talked, of course about Clemens and Bonds first because 192 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: they didn't even get five votes, Jeff, which means they're 193 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: not up for this ballot three years from now, because 194 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: you have to get at least five votes. They will 195 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: be up for one in thirty thirty two. But if 196 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: they don't get five votes on granted, things could change, 197 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, the voting procedure could change, But if the 198 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: same procedure is in place and they don't get five 199 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: votes in twenty thirty two, then they will be off 200 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: all of those ballots. So it was that's what we 201 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: talked about. And then of course Bonds and Clemens always 202 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: turned into Pete Rose. So that's mostly what we talked 203 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: about instead of maybe Jeff Kent getting in and what 204 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: the ballot was like. It's the point is, Jeff, it 205 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: was a really difficult process. We went over this last week. 206 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: Jet look at those eight guys on the list. I 207 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: could make a case for seven of them being Hall 208 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: of Famers, and only one of them got in, and 209 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: he was the only one to really get close. Carlos 210 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: stel Gotto got nine votes out of sixteen you need twelve, Okay. 211 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: Don Mattingly and Dale Murphy got six votes each. They 212 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: missed by six votes. That's a lot to miss by 213 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: when you got to get twelve out of sixteen. So 214 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: it just shows you again how difficult it is to 215 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: get a seventy five percent vote. So when you looked 216 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: at this, Jef, what was your overall thought? 217 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: Well, number one thought was I'm so glad to have 218 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: the second Jeff in history join the Hall of Fame. 219 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: We've got Jeff Bagwell and Jeff Kent. Only two Jeffs 220 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. There are now I match you, Dad, 221 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: because there are only two Tims in the Hall of Fame, 222 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: Tim Rains and Tim Keith Right, two Tims and two 223 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: Jeffs in the Hall of Fame. So now unfortunately there 224 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: is Tim Kirkchin in the Hall of Fame on the 225 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: side for the writers. So I kind of lose this 226 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: argument when it says who has more Hall of Famers 227 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: When you yourself have been honored by the National Baseball 228 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, don't don't give me that look, don't 229 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: be humble. Just let me say that I'm proud of 230 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: you and that you're amazing and you deserve There are. 231 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: Two Tims in the Hall of Fame, and there are 232 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: two Jeff's in the Hall of Fame and you looked 233 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: it up. Is that correct? 234 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? I was not going to get Tim Keith honestly, Jeff. 235 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: I think he was inducted sixty five years ago. 236 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Jeff, I'm so proud of you for even looking that up. 237 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: You're starting to think like me, although I've warned you 238 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: many times that it's not healthy to start to think 239 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: like me because I'm not always thinking about the right thing. Jeff. 240 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: You know, the team Tims have really thrown me off 241 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: for this last two years. I just feel I got 242 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: to come up with something every But that's good, Jeff. 243 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: You got two Tims, so what else surprives anything else? 244 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: All right, let's get the Bonds and Clemens since we 245 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: have to do that. Yeah, last week, just give me 246 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: your thoughts on Bonds and Clemens getting fewer than five 247 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: out of sixteen votes when twelve are needed sixteen votes, 248 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: they got fewer than five. What are your thoughts on that? 249 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: Well? I kind of said this last week, and I 250 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: took a little flak, as noted, But I think that 251 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: something that's going to be hard to ignore one day 252 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: is the fact that there are question marks surrounding players 253 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: in the late eighties to mid two thousands, and there 254 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: always will be players that are in the Hall of 255 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: Fame have been questioned, right, And so I think at 256 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: some point, if you walk through the museum, you will 257 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: see Pete Rose, you will see Alex Rodriguez, you will 258 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: see Roger Clemens, you will see Barry Bonds, all across 259 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, just not in the Black Room. 260 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: So they're being honored, they're in there, so to speak, 261 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: they're just not in the Hall of Fame, if that 262 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: makes sense. But I think one day we're just going 263 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: to have have to have another special convening of the 264 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: minds because my generation grew up with these players as 265 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: our heroes. I was born in nineteen ninety three, so 266 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: the earliest I can genuinely remember baseball genuinely is like 267 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: the Yankees of the late nineties winning some World Series. Right, 268 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: How old was I at the World Let's see what 269 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: year was that, Tino Martinez. 270 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like five years old. 271 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: It was five, right, And that's my first true memory 272 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: of baseball. And then you go into Mark McGuire, you 273 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: go into Sammy So's, so you go into Barry Bonds. 274 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds You've said it on the podcast, so I 275 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: feel comfortable saying this is arguably the greatest position player 276 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: of all time by the statistics. Right. 277 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: No, what I've told you before, Jeff is he's the 278 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: greatest hitter I've ever seen. We have to we have 279 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: to throw out everything else, and we know what we're 280 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: talking about there. He's the greatest hitter I've ever seen. 281 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: And if you're asking who are the three greatest hitters 282 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: of all time? For me, this is my list, nobody else's. 283 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: It's not right. It's mine, Babe, Ruth, Ted Williams, Barry Bonds. 284 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: That's it. That's the list, that's the order. Barry Bonds 285 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: is not the greatest position player ever because as great 286 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: a defender as he was, Willie Mays was even a 287 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: better defender than Barry Bonds was. And that's why I 288 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: would put Willie Mays ahead of him, in part because 289 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: Willie Mays apparently did it in a cleaner way than 290 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: certainly a clean way, but cleaner way than Barry Bonds. 291 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: So, and I just think there's going to be a time, 292 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: Dad where writers of my generation. So I'm thirty two now, 293 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: so we'll have to be patient. We'll just say we're 294 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: having a special convening of you know, this new group 295 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: of writers, and we're going to address the steroid Era. 296 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: We're not going to call it the you know Veterans 297 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: Committee or anything. It's gonna be the Steroid Era Committee. 298 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: And we're going to say we let them all in, 299 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: and we let none of them, and what are we 300 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: doing now? And I think it's just going to happen, 301 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: and it's going to be a long time from now, 302 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: ten twenty years, but we have this conversation every year. 303 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: Eventually they're going to get in now. That's my firm belief. 304 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: Whether they want to. A lot of them have said, like, 305 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't really care. I've kind of lost my hope 306 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: on that. And whether they're around or not, they're going 307 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: to be in evention. 308 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 2: Well, Jeff, we need a nationwide conversation about this. What 309 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: do we do because this really thorny, difficult, controversial problem 310 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: has been flipped into the lapse of the writers and 311 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: people say, you guys, figure this out. Well, we're the 312 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: first to tell you we're not good enough to figure 313 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: this out. Neither is any other group out there. I'm 314 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: very proud of the work that the Baseball writers does. 315 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: But it's really hard to look at your ballt these 316 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: days and figure out what to do because I'm not 317 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: comfortable being the moral arbiture on all things. But that's 318 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: what you have to be among many other things. So, 319 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: and you know, Jeff, getting back to the whole character clause. 320 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: You know, as far as character goes, Don Mattingly and 321 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: Dale Murphy are like at the top of my list 322 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 2: of all the guys that I've covered over the years, 323 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've ever met two guys who cared 324 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 2: more about playing the game properly, carrying themselves and conducting 325 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 2: themselves the right way. Their numbers are really good, but 326 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: I don't think in either case they're one hundred percent 327 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame numbers. But if the character clause works 328 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: against certain people, why can't it work for certain people? 329 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: That was part of the discussion we had today on 330 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: the sports reporters. And when you hear that jet, what 331 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: as a young person do you think. 332 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: This is the worldwide debate, especially in the age of 333 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: social media. Dad, You know, you see players all the 334 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: time who say, I didn't sign up to be you know, 335 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: anybody's hero. I signed up to play basketball or baseball 336 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: or football or whatever. But then you see guys like 337 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil. I think Shaquille O'Neil is a great example 338 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: of for some arguably the greatest center of all time. 339 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I don't wanna talk basketball because 340 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: it's not my field of expertise, but he was a 341 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: menace out there on the court. He was scary. Nobody 342 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: wanted to guard Shack. But he's also like the greatest 343 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: guy off the court when it comes to still to 344 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: this day, going into walmart in buying bikes for kids 345 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: or engagement rings for young men who they see in 346 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: the Jeweys Shore. 347 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: I mean, these. 348 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: Videos are documents, and he knows this is part of 349 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: his gig. He says, this is I'm famous, and these 350 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: are things I have to do. This is part of 351 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: the deal when you become an NBA player, And he 352 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: preaches that about our players every day, and I do 353 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: think they owe something and I think character, Dad, you're right, 354 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: should count in a way. And I'm not gonna listen 355 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: any names, but I know because I ask you privately, 356 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: because this was one of my favorite questions to ask 357 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: you as a kid, was, Hey, this is he a 358 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: nice guy. But as a kid, that meant something to me. 359 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: And when you would tell me a player was maybe 360 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: not the nicest guy out there, that would make me 361 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: feel differently about the player. And I think it should. 362 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: And when you talk about you know, Don Mattingly and 363 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: you're like, he's one of the best guys in the league, 364 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: I think that should count in his favor. And there's 365 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Dad, There's no doubt that this 366 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: should count in people's favor. 367 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: Well, Jeah, And it shouldn't just count for a child 368 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: like you were, It should count for adults also. But 369 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: if you know, never forget. Jim Dwyer, who I covered 370 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: with the Orioles, once famously said, you know, heaven is 371 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: for good people. The Hall of Fame is for baseball players. 372 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 2: And he didn't mean it. He didn't mean it like 373 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: all baseball players are bad or good, or everyone who 374 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: goes to Heaven is good all that stuff. He was 375 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 2: just trying to make a point that there's some bad 376 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: guys who made it to the Hall of Fame, and 377 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: this is what we have to deal with as voters, 378 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: and it's a very difficult process. No sympathy required. I 379 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: have friends of mine who have given up their vote 380 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: because they don't want to deal with this. They don't 381 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: feel comfortable dealing with this, they feel hypocritical dealing with this. 382 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: I'm not giving up my vote because it's that important 383 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: to me, But I will tell you I encourage anyone 384 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: to sit down with a Hall of Fame ballot. Sit 385 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 2: down with that ballot that those guys had to look 386 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: at the other day. Eight guys, and you only get 387 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: three votes, Jef. That three votes is really hard to 388 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: figure out. And that's why only Jeff Kent got in. 389 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: But Jeff Kent. Jeff again, most home runs ever buy 390 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: a second basement, most RBIs ever buy a second baseman. 391 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: And his slugging percentage was five hundred. Jeff. The only 392 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: other second basement in history who had a career on 393 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: base percentage I mean slugging percentage of five hundred is 394 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: Rogers Hornsby, who is, at least for me, the greatest 395 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 2: second basement of all times. So that's why I voted 396 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: for Jeff Ken. I think he was a better defensive 397 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: player that people gave him credit for, but it just 398 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: for some people, it's just odd that he was on 399 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: the same team with Barry Bonds and Jeff kenson the 400 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame at Barry Bonds. Is that bothers some people? 401 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: And I certainly understand that. 402 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dad, it's sad too because Jeff Ken as 403 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: many as home runs as he hit as the second baseman, 404 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: he's still not the home run leader. Last name K which, 405 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, is that Harmon Killerbrew it is? 406 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: It's kay, Yes, Jeff, you're doing really well here. 407 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: And wait, hold on, is Carlos stel Gatto D? 408 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: Yes, Carlos stell Gotto is D And. 409 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: He was up on the ballot and he didn't get 410 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: enough votes. But we need to get more of these 411 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: alphabetic alphabetical leaders into the Hall of Fame. 412 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: Day right, right again. Carlos Stelgatto might have been the 413 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: guy who missed out on having four spots that you're 414 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: allowed to vote for because he got nine votes. He 415 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: missed by three. Maybe if you could have voted for four, 416 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: Carlos Delgado will be in. There are enough people who 417 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: believe Carlos Delgado is the best clean player not in 418 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. And we talked about this last week, Jeb. 419 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: But I think it's important these special committees are designed 420 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: for people such as Carlos Delgado, who is only time 421 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: on the Writer's ballot. He didn't even get five percent 422 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 2: of the vote, which knocked him off of the ballot 423 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: by rule. But remember there were thirteen Hall of Famers 424 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: on the ballot the one time he went on the 425 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: Writer's ballot thirteen. So he went on at a really 426 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 2: bad time, and he deserved a second chance, and he 427 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 2: got it, and he didn't make it to the Hall 428 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: of Fame. But he's going to get another chance in 429 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: three years, so we can re examine his numbers, because 430 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: they are pretty darn impressive. As I told you, Jeff 431 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 2: Homer's RBI's ops. He's one of fourteen players that have 432 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: those levels in the history of baseball. Pretty darn good. 433 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: All right, well, we have to take a minute to 434 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: say sorry to our neighbors to the north in Canada. 435 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: They've had a rough month. I'm not trying to be 436 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: funny or kitchy here, but you know, you lose to 437 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Dodgers, that monster team. You'll almost take 438 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: him down in the World Series. And then Carlos Delgatto, 439 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: who spent you know, ten seasons plus in in Toronto 440 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: and he doesn't make the World Series. So to Blue 441 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: Jays fans out there, we hear you, we feel you. 442 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: We've got family in Canada. I know Uncle Craig right now, Dad, 443 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: your cousin, we feel for you. I'm sure it was 444 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: tough not seeing in. But Carlos Delgatto will go in. 445 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: Am I wrong in. 446 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: Saying that there? 447 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: You'll make it? 448 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: Someday he will be a Hall of Famer. And just 449 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: because Don Mattingly and Dale Murphy didn't make it and 450 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people were hoping that they would, they 451 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: still have a shot to do this someday. And because 452 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: each of them got at least six votes, it's possible 453 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: they'll be on the same ballot three years now. We'll see. 454 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: Let's move forward on this date in baseball history. Today 455 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: is December the ninth, not December the tenth. Your birthday, 456 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: even though I think we had an episode come out 457 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: on your birthday last year, doesn't matter. December the ninth, 458 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: what do you. 459 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: Have this day? In nineteen sixty five, this was a 460 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: famous trade. The Red sent Frank Robinson to the Baltimore 461 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: Orioles for Milton Pappis, Jack Balchin and another pitcher another player, 462 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: and it turned out to be one of the great 463 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: trades in Oriel history. The general manager of the Reds 464 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 2: felt that Frank Robinson was getting old. And what he 465 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: did in nineteen sixty six he won the Triple Crown, 466 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: He won the MVP, making him then the first player 467 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: ever to win the MVP in both leagues, and they 468 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 2: won the World Series year and Brooks Robinson famously Well, 469 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: Brooks Robinson told me, Frank Robinson taught us how to win. Jeff, 470 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: is not a greater compliment that you could say anyone 471 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: that that guy came to our team and taught us 472 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: how to win. That covers everything, interestingly. And Frank Robinson 473 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: is one of the most underrated players of all time. 474 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: He never led the league in any category in any 475 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: season other than the year that he won the Triple 476 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: crowd and then he led the league in average home 477 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: runs and RBIs isn't that weird? 478 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: That is crazy to think about. If you're going to 479 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: do it all, do it all. If you're not going 480 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: to do it, don't do it. 481 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: That's insane, right, Pretty good? So that's Frank Robinson. Great 482 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: trade for the Orioles ended up turning them into a 483 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: superpower in the sixties. This day. In nineteen ninety two, 484 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: Greg Maddock signed a five year contract with the Braves, 485 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: and Jeff google Greg Mannox's statistics and look at those 486 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: numbers that he ran up as a member of the Braves. 487 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 2: Because when people ask who's the greatest free agent signing ever, 488 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: Greg maddox is in that conversation. I mean he won 489 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: four Cy youngs in a row soon after signing with 490 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: the Braves, Do I have that right? Yeah? 491 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: Well, ninety two with the Cubs free agent signing ninety 492 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: three Cy Young, ninety four, Cy Young, ninety five Cy Young. 493 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: So his first three years in Atlanta he wins to 494 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: say young after winning it in Chicago. 495 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: Right, That's how great, That's how great. Greg maddox was 496 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 2: speaking of free agent signings on this date. In twenty 497 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 2: twenty three, shoheo Otani signed for ten years, seven hundred 498 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: million to go to the Dodgers. And we were in 499 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 2: Las Vegas, Jeff for your Let's see, this was winter meetings. 500 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: When was the Yeah, so. 501 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: That would have been McKinley's baptism, my daughter's baptism, right, yeah, 502 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: because it was December's right around your birthday obviously the 503 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: day before. 504 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: Right, right, that's so cool. Yeah, that's how I remember. 505 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: We were in Las Vegas when it was officially announced 506 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: that Shoe had signed with the Dodgers. So that was famous. 507 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: On this date, in nineteen sixty five, branch Ricky died. 508 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: Branch Ricky, of course, is one of the great executives 509 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 2: in the history of baseball. Of course, he signed Jackie 510 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: Robinson and brought him to the big leagues in nineteen 511 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: forty seven. He also was the guy, you know, credited 512 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: with inventing the farm system in baseball, which is the 513 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: lifeblood of many organizations today. So branch Ricky was pretty great. 514 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: Who played branch Rickey. Let's see if you remember in 515 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: the movie forty two, which was a great movie by 516 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: the way. 517 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, such a great movie. I can't remember. 518 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: Famous actor, Jeff famous actor. 519 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: Okay, don't tell me because this is this is where 520 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: I need to shine, Okay, branch Ricky. Oh was it 521 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: Harrison Ford? Yes, very, I'm glad you got that. Yes, yeah, incredible, 522 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: now dad, did you know that? On this date, also, 523 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: Larry Bird ended his streak of fifty nine consecutive free 524 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: throws made back in nineteen eighty seven, fifty nine. 525 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: Is that right? 526 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, on the State nineteen eighty seven. 527 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: That's so good. I think I have this story correct. 528 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: That Dan Shaughnessy, our dear friend who's been on our 529 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: podcast before, one of the great sports columns in America, 530 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame baseball writer. He used to cover Celtics, 531 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: of course, and he was Larry was on the court 532 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: before the game and he was, you know, shooting free throws, 533 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: getting ready for the game, and Shaughnessy said something like, 534 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: I'm writing a story about your free throws, and so 535 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: don't mess it up. Don't miss one tonight, whatever you do. 536 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: And I believe that was the night that Larry Bird's 537 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: streak ended. And when he missed it, I believe he 538 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: looked at Dan Shotsy like, this is your fault. You 539 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: told me before the game, don't mess up my story 540 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 2: by missing a free throw, and then he missed a 541 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: free throw. Yeah, Larry is until Steph Curry came along, 542 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: Larry is the greatest shooter I've ever seen. And he 543 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: doesn't have the range of Steph Curry, but you know, 544 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: twenty feet and in. I'll take Larry with just about 545 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: anyone in the history of the sport. That's how great 546 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: Larry Bird was. 547 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: Now, Dad, that was a great follow up story. But 548 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm shocked. And the one reason why I brought this 549 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: story up was because I thought you were going to 550 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: talk about Kelly kirkshin. 551 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, well we better since Yeah. So, Kelly 552 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: in high school made fifty four out of fifty six 553 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: free throws her senior year. She broke the school record 554 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: for consecutive free throws twice within the same season. The 555 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: record was nineteen. She made thirty two in a row, 556 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: missed one, looked over at me at the scorer's table 557 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: and goes, oh my god, how did that happen? What 558 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: am I going to do? Now? Well, then she made 559 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: twenty in a row after that, breaking the record again, 560 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: and then missed one and made the final one. So 561 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: she made fifty four out of fifty six free throws 562 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: her senior year. The lesson here is Kelly is five 563 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: foot two and she was I think the greatest female 564 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 2: free throw shooter in the history of Montgomery County. And 565 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: I still give her a hard time about that, and 566 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: I embarrass her daily. But it's okay. 567 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: I think you played in Montgomery County too. What was 568 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: your stat line your senior year for free throws? 569 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: I don't remember, Jeff, and. 570 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: Not nearly as good, respectfully, I mean respectfully, four out 571 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: of fifty six. 572 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely not ninety nine percent of the NBA free throw 573 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: shooters have never made fifty four out of fifty six. 574 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: That's what your sister did. 575 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: Pretty good, all right, Dad, Let's wrap up today's episode 576 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: with a very special Team ten that we talked about 577 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: at the top of the show. When it comes to birthdays, tomorrow, Dad, 578 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: is your sixty ninth birthday, Early birthday to you. I'm 579 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: excited because this weekend you're coming to our new house 580 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: and you're going to celebrate birthday, Christmas, the whole thing 581 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: with us. It's gonna be great. 582 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: It's gonna be great, and you're gonna put us to 583 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: work and we're gonna do some good stuff around your 584 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: house and it's gonna be great. All right. So, Joe Austebier, 585 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: our friend from Saint Louis who comes up with some 586 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 2: great ideas, why don't you do a team tim of 587 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: players who share the same birthday. So this isn't like 588 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: these are just ones that I know and things that 589 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: tickle me They're not necessarily the best at each position, 590 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: but I think it's I think we have to start 591 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: at first base with Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell, what 592 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: is what do they share, Jeff, besides a birthday? 593 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: Well, didn't they win the MVP in the same year. 594 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and they are the same age, so they're not 595 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: sharing a birthday ten years apart. They were born exactly 596 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: the same day and they both won the MVP in 597 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. Our second basement is Harris and Ian Kinsler. 598 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: So I told you this story once that Ian Kinsler 599 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: came up to me once and he said, I know 600 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: something about statistics that you don't know. I can't wait 601 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: to tell you. So he said, last night, he said, 602 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: Willie Harris and I hit a home run in the 603 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: same game, and we're playing the same position, and we 604 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: share the same birthday. And he said, that's the first 605 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: time in Major League history that that had ever happened. 606 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: And he was right. So yes, Willie Harris and Ian 607 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: Kinsler are second baseman because they share the same birthday 608 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: and they hit a home run get in the same 609 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: game at both playing the same position. I love that 610 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: third base is Max Munsey and the other, Max Munsey, 611 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: who is active with the Oakland A's, and they're not related. 612 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: It's kind of an unusual name, don't you think, Jeff, 613 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: and they share the same birthday. 614 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: It's funny, don't you say, make any sense that they 615 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: not only have an unusual name, but they also have 616 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: the same birthday. 617 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: Right right, and they're not related. I love it. The 618 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 2: shortstop and I find this interesting. Carlos Carrea, of course, 619 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: used to be the shortstop for the Astros, and then 620 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: he left by a free agency and he was replaced 621 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: by Jeremy Payinam and they share the same birthday. So 622 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: Correa leaves, the guy who replaces him has the same birthday. Now, 623 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: of course, Korea is back on the Astros. He plays 624 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: third base. Pay you play shortstop every day, so the 625 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 2: same birthday is playing shortstop and third base every day. 626 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: I don't know why I get such a kick out 627 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 2: of these things, but I do so. Joe Ostermeier, he 628 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: also sent in that Ken Griffy Junior and Stan Musial 629 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 2: share the same birthday and they're two of the greatest 630 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 2: players of all time to left handed hitting outfielders, and 631 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: they're both from DeNora, Pennsylvania. To Jeff, what are the 632 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: chances of that two players that great from the same 633 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 2: hometown and share the same birthday many many years apart. Amazing. 634 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: That's my favorite birthday share right there, and it's gotten 635 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: brought up on the show before because the same town, 636 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: small town. I mean, you just got to name the 637 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: day after them at that point and switch off a 638 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: year after year. 639 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: Right right. Our second outfielders are Ozzy and Jose Canseco, 640 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 2: who of course are twins, so of course they're born 641 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 2: on the same day. We used to joke. Dan Shaughnessy 642 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: used to joke all the time that Jose was much 643 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 2: better than his brother, even though his brother was a 644 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: major leaguer and hit a few home runs, that they 645 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: Jose should just put on Ozzie's uniform after and at bat, 646 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: and then he would get like, he would get like 647 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 2: eight at bats every day, pretending to be his brother 648 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: because he couldn't tell the difference between the two. I 649 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: don't think he'd get away with it. Only Dan would 650 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 2: think of something light that, right, So I had to 651 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 2: come up with a third outfield group. So I had 652 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 2: to go looking for, you know, outfielders, so Richie Zisc 653 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 2: and Babe Ruth shared same birthday. I picked the greatest 654 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 2: player ever, Babe Ruth and Richie's this. Do you remember 655 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: the Steve Russian thing on RICHIE'SISC? Now, remember remember when 656 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 2: he we found out that the pope is a White 657 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 2: Sox fan at RICHIE'SISC used to play for the White Sox. 658 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: As Steve Russian said, this is the only pope ever 659 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 2: that would say use this line, take your What did 660 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: he say, take your risk with Ricky Richie's Richie, Yeah, 661 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 2: that was I think that's what he said. Right, it 662 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: was so bad? All right, Willie Mays and Jose Altuveay 663 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 2: share the same birthday. Now, Jeff, you need to tell 664 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 2: us what that birthday is, because Steve Spark's our dear 665 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 2: friend mentioned Jose Altuvey's birthday. 666 00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: Is any number twenty seven, So he's he's February the seventh, right, No, no, no. 667 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: He remember his height is the same as his birthday. 668 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: His height as what Jeff, oh oh oh. 669 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 2: Oh, May the sixth, Right, May the sixth is Jose 670 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 2: al Tuve is five to six born on May the sixth, 671 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 2: and he shares the same birthday with Willie Mays wow right, 672 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: and Mickey Mantle and Juan Gonzalez shared the same birthday. 673 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 2: They both won multiple MVPs. Who Else Shares a Birthday? 674 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 2: Former guest on our podcast Who Else Shares a Birthday? 675 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 2: With Mickey Mantle? Think Jeff early on he wore a 676 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 2: seven in his name always because he was born on 677 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 2: the same day as Mickey Mantle wore a seven in 678 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 2: his name. Our greatest number, thirty seven ever. 679 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: Keith Hernandez, Yes, oh that was it right. Took me 680 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: a second. Lots of clud we said early on, I 681 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: was thinking Eduardo, and I'm like. 682 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 2: No, yeah, Jeff, that was good. You got it, very good. 683 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: All right. Our pitchers, we have a bunch of pitchers here. 684 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: Of course, we have the Rogers twins who pitched. Taylor 685 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 2: and Tyler Rogers twins pitched in the major leagues. Obviously 686 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 2: they share the same birthday. Of course, we had Homer 687 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 2: Bailey and Ryan Dempster, who on May the third, twenty twelve, 688 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 2: started a Major League game against each other on their 689 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 2: shared birthday. That had never happened before. And as Ryan 690 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 2: Depster said, that's my only contribution to the Hall of Fame. 691 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 2: I'm in the Hall of Fame because they took my 692 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: glove or my scorecard from that game, because Homer Bailey 693 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 2: and Ryan Depster started a game each other on their 694 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 2: shared birthday in twenty twelve, and the last one, of course, 695 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 2: since this is the theme of the day, Carlos Rodon 696 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 2: and you, Nestra Cortez tenth, there you go, sharing it 697 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 2: with me. 698 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: And Tim Kirkshin with a sixty five mile per hour 699 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: strike right down the middle. If you had to throw, 700 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: if I gave you an hour to warm up, how 701 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: fast do you think you could throw a ball? 702 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I told you when I was sixty five years old, 703 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 2: you threw sixty five. I was able to throw my 704 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 2: age at age sixty five. Now that's certainly nothing to 705 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 2: brag about, but you asked me a question, and I 706 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 2: don't know what I could do today because I'm almost 707 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 2: sixty nine years old. But when I was sixty five, 708 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 2: I threw a baseball at the same speed as my age, you. 709 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: Know, and a lot of people have the goal of 710 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: hitting their age in golf. I just don't know if 711 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to play the same way I'm playing now 712 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: when I'm one hundred and eight, because that's usually where 713 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:51,959 Speaker 1: I'm landing. 714 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 2: These stakes, right yeah, Jeff, You're you're gonna have to 715 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 2: do well. We're all gonna have to play pretty late 716 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 2: if we're going to shoot our age. But never mind. 717 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: All right. 718 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 2: So that's the all shared team tim for baseball. And 719 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: we've got the Winter meetings this week and we've got 720 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 2: Christmas coming up. We're gonna have some special stuff. What 721 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 2: are we going to have for Christmas? Jeff? For special 722 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 2: stuff on the podcast, we. 723 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: Are going to put together what we did last year 724 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: as well, which was one highlight moment from each of 725 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: our interviews for the season. So I'm going to start 726 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: compiling putting those all together for all of you, and 727 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be really special. So make sure to 728 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: be on the lookout for our little Christmas gift back 729 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: to you. All right, Dad, get back to the people 730 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: setting up your Christmas decor, and just be careful on 731 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: those ladders, all right, Jeff. 732 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 2: They only spend about an hour and a half in 733 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 2: here helping us put up the tree and doing some 734 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 2: things that I'm simply not capable of doing. But the 735 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 2: rest of it, I have been very, very helpful in 736 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: this whole process, and I just love to look at 737 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 2: the house the first night when all the lights are up, 738 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 2: all the trees up, everything else. It's gonna be great. 739 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. As always, thanks for 740 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: being a part of our family. M HM