1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: Yes? 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 4: Are you ready for a break? 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: Ready for a break? 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so much for that. 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris and 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 4: It is Wednesday, December eighteenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 4: episode number eighty eight. Welcome to the latest edition of 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 4: The Break. 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What time it's going to be? 26 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 5: Right after locker rooms? Right for we're doing with this show. 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 4: I got a presentation, I got things to do. 28 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: Is it like a white elephant? Christmas thing or it's just. 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 5: Like show up, bring whatever, and wear an ugly Christmas sweater. 30 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 5: Mine's in the studio. 31 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: I got you. 32 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 5: It's not actually this that I think. 33 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: Want assault, but I'm just like what we talk about. 34 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 5: When I put it on, I was like, this could qualify. 35 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 5: But I do have one in the. 36 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: Podcast actually dressed up as Dave exactly. Yes, that works, 37 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 4: it works, Although I do I do think y'all favorite 38 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 4: each other a little bit with the beer. Well. 39 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 5: I had gone to a Dodger game with him over 40 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 5: during training camp and it was the first time we 41 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 5: were able to really meet, and it was like third 42 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 5: inning and we were already like understanding why everyone was 43 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: linking us together. I was like, you know what, I 44 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 5: see it and. 45 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 4: It's the first everything like it's it's everything, it really is. 46 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 4: All right, let's let's jump in. I want to start 47 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 4: for we were gonna get to the Bucks today and 48 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 4: talk about their offense versus the Cowboys defense. But before 49 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 4: we get there, I want to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence. 50 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: I think we all thought that by maybe as early 51 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 4: as last weekend, maybe at the latest this weekend, he 52 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 4: would be playing again. And it doesn't seem like that's 53 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: going to happen. What are you guys hearing about him? 54 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: And at this point do you think there's a possibility 55 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: he doesn't return this season? 56 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 5: This is one of those Derek, I really just don't know. 57 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 5: But he is running out of time, like you said, 58 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 5: I mean, after this, he's not gonna go this week. 59 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy already said it. He's not gonna even touch 60 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 5: the practice field this week. So that really only leaves 61 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 5: two more games where he could potentially return. I mean, 62 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 5: it was a serious injury that he suffered back in 63 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 5: Week four as a list frame injury. It wasn't as 64 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 5: severe as what Jordan Lewis suffered back in twenty twenty two, 65 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 5: but it is a similar injury and it takes a while. 66 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 5: For it's basically when you know, i'd like the top 67 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 5: of your foot where like your bones kind of web out. 68 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 5: If you break like that, that knuckle bone on that web, 69 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 5: that's that's the list Frank, And so it makes it 70 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 5: really difficult to heal because you're basically healing like five 71 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 5: many bones at once, especially given how like how much 72 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 5: it spreads. So for in Jordan Lewis's case, it was 73 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 5: really severe because it spread really really bad on that 74 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 5: on that fracture, DeMarcus Lawrence isn't as bad, but it's 75 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 5: still something that's going to take time to heal. But 76 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 5: as far as timeline goes, I don't really know, because 77 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 5: we were expecting, you know, out of Thanksgiving for him 78 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 5: to potentially start getting back onto the practice field. There 79 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 5: were whispers of that Mike McCarthy had said and Stephen 80 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 5: Jones had said it, and now all of a sudden, 81 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 5: he's kind of just trending towards possibly not playing again 82 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 5: this year. 83 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: I don't want to speculate, but I mean I've tried 84 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: to reach out and ask and see hopefully we'll get 85 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: an answer on that, because I know, walking to our 86 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: responsibilities here, I've seen him on the field, just walking. 87 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: I mean I just walked. 88 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: I just looked out and I recognize him, and he's 89 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: working with Britt Brown and he's cutting and he's moving 90 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: and he's and I'm kind of in my mind, I'm like, Okay, 91 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: this is encouraging him and brit are out there working 92 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: really really hard to get back, and you know, you saw, like, 93 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: you know, the explosiveness to get off the plant to 94 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: turn and I'm like, oh, okay, there must have been 95 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: a setback here. 96 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: There must have been something that. 97 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 3: Happened, because it to me that it just looked so positive, 98 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: you know, And that's just me like my days of 99 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: watching practice and watching guys work out and thinking like, oh, 100 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: that guy doesn't look ready, you know, he's still kind 101 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: of limping around, or but man, it was it was 102 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: really really kind of encouraging, and I just worry that 103 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: maybe something happened that they were going to workout one 104 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: day and then you know. 105 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: And it and it does happen. 106 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: I mean, they they they work hard, and then all 107 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: of a sudden, you know, it's that day is not 108 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: very good. And so I'm I'm just trying to find 109 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: that out and hopefully today, by the time we end 110 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 3: this thing, I'll figure that out for you. Because I 111 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: didn't I I meant to do that. I meant to 112 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: ask and I haven't asked. A couple of people that 113 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: I know can maybe help me on that. 114 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 5: For everybody, do not google image list frank injuries. These 115 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 5: are disgusting. Sorry, I just wanted to make sure that 116 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 5: no one else googles what I'm googling right now. It's terrifying. 117 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 5: I will not be going. 118 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 6: But I think it's one of those things that, yeah, 119 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 6: you can always speculate a timeline. 120 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: In anything that you go through, and. 121 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 6: Then as you start approaching that timeline, it may not 122 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 6: look like you're actually ready for it. When you talk 123 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 6: about things like that, it's it. No one can accelerate 124 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 6: certain things in your body to fully heal. And like 125 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 6: you said, Brian, I have watched him training out there 126 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 6: with Britt Brown and everything. He's doing what he's supposed 127 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 6: to do. He's showing up to do the rehab necessary 128 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 6: and everything. So maybe there was something like you mentioned 129 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 6: that happened and occurred there. But it is very concerning 130 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 6: because we're not it's trending towards us not being able 131 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 6: to take another look at him before the season ends. 132 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 6: I mean, are still three love that's crazy, But he's 133 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 6: about to become a free agent. And again, when you 134 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 6: start seeing other guys that have been showing up during 135 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 6: these games, it makes you wonder, way is he does 136 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 6: he have a future here with the Cowboys. I don't know, 137 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 6: And it's crazy to think because I remember when we 138 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 6: had the press conference announcing his big contract with the Cowboys. 139 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: And time just flies by. 140 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 6: It's insane. But yeah, that's another big name heading to 141 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 6: free agency. 142 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 4: Well, you know when you when you mentioned it from 143 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: that perspective, I actually look at it. I'm like, if 144 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 4: if the Cowboys were in a position where the playoffs 145 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: were more realistic, because obviously they still have a one 146 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: percent chance, so there's still a chance, but if it 147 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 4: were more realistic, if it were more realistic, I would 148 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: probably be like, Okay, got to get him back. You 149 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: got to get Hi back as quickly as possible, because 150 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: it's not as realistic now people like Kneeland. I kind 151 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 4: of want to see a little bit more of them. 152 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: I want to have an opportunity to see more of them. 153 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 4: I know what Marcter. 154 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: Questions, yesterday, here. 155 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: We go, it's yesterday. 156 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: Is you know we've seen all we need to see. 157 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: There's nothing he's going to do in three games that's 158 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 4: going to change an opinion in this building about who 159 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: he is, what he represents, or whether there should be 160 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: a new deal. Those things have already been at least 161 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 4: what you've seen, that part has already been decided. They'll 162 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: ultimately have to make a decision on what the money 163 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: looks like. How much they want to have him back, 164 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 4: what else they think they have at the position. All 165 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: those things will factor in, but none of that will 166 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: be about his play. So at this point, you know, 167 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 4: whether he comes back or not, I don't know if 168 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: it hurts him, helps him, hurts the Cowboys, helps the Cowboys. 169 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: I just think at this point whatever is best for 170 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 4: him just is the right thing to do. 171 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 5: I mean, if you're looking at it from this isn't 172 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 5: really a bright side just because like a DeMarcus Lawrence 173 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 5: loses out in this scenario. But by him not playing 174 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 5: these final fourteen weeks, his price is going to be 175 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 5: a little bit lower going into going into free agencies. 176 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 5: So you know, if you're looking at it from front 177 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 5: office perspective, maybe that opens the door for the potentiality 178 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 5: of a return. 179 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: But but you don't think other teams are kind of 180 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 4: like we know who he is, or do you think 181 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: that they would know who he seared off? 182 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: They would be. 183 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 4: Geared off by the injury itself and him not coming back. 184 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying. 185 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying, especially at that age, an injury 186 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 5: like that, I'm sure it could give some teams some 187 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 5: pause and potentially could lower his market value, but I 188 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: think still at the end of the day, this is 189 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 5: going to be a contract that the Cowboys can't afford. See, 190 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 5: I will think that they knew that, and that's why 191 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 5: that they drafted Marshawn neland last year in the second round, I. 192 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: Kind of wanted to in my mind, I was putting 193 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: him in the same category as Tyrone Smith. 194 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: But that's not accurate. 195 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: That's not accurate because he's had years where he's played sixteen, 196 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: sixteen of sixteen, sixteen of fifteen of sixteen, sixteen of 197 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: six ten, fifteen of sixteen, Yeah, the one year. 198 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 6: He's maybe these he also right, Basically he's played a 199 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 6: lot a lot of time. 200 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I played a lot of games. 201 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you have games where he's played then 202 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: like in twenty twenty one it was seven of seven, 203 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: and then it was seventeen of seventeen, seventeen of seventeen, 204 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: four of four, yeah, you know, and then so it's 205 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 3: not like if you're thinking of like Tyron Smith, because 206 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: in the past we've always thought about, oh, yeah, it'd 207 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: be great to have Tyron you know, Tyron Smith, but 208 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: he's always hurt and I can't put Tank in that 209 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: category because when he's been healthy, he's been able to 210 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: line up and play. That's that you can't say, well, 211 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: he's he's had a Tyron Smith like career because of injuries. 212 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: He's only had two seasons where well, really twenty sixteen 213 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: was you know, a season he lost, but he's he's 214 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 3: been relatively healthy for you throughout well. 215 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 4: I think the other part to that too is specifically 216 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: really you know, talking about Tyron Smith. I think it 217 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: was clear watching him play this year at the made 218 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 4: the right decision. I still think Tank has a lot 219 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: more football in him. I don't think he's at the 220 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 4: end of his career just yet. This reminds me more 221 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 4: of DeMarcus Ware when DeMarcus Ware left and a team 222 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 4: that knows how to use him. I don't know that 223 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: he should be a guy you bring in to be 224 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: your every down player, but as a rotational guy that 225 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 4: can get some pass rush, that can help in the 226 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: run against the run, I think he is still a 227 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: very valuable commodity for teams, and so from that standpoint, 228 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 4: I think he still has more left to tame. 229 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: I agree with I totally agree with Nick. I think 230 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: they drafted Neilan to be the guy. 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They are coached 299 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 4: by Todd Bowles, who actually, ironically for those that were 300 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 4: around or remember, he was a former defense back coach 301 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 4: with the with the Cowboys back and try. 302 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: To get me fired. 303 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: I was actually gonna ask you, do you have any 304 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: you got any interest Todd Bowles. 305 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a scout with the Packers. Oh yeah, 306 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: Todd Bowles was a player at the with the Washington 307 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: Commanders and he had a he had a health club 308 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: in Alexandria, Virginia, which was very, very very successful. I 309 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 3: mean he that was his first business when he was 310 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: a player. After he was playing, and we had the 311 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: bright idea to hire him as a scout after when 312 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: we were in Green Bay and he was running that 313 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: health club and not really scouting, you know, and Ron Wolf, 314 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: my boss at the time, said, listen, you can't get 315 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: that guy to scout, you're fired and yeah, and I 316 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 3: and I'm like, uh, you know, I'm just not you know, 317 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: I'm sitting there kind of like okay. So I'm talking 318 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: to him, and I'm honestly I'm pleading with him. I'm like, Todd, seriously, 319 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: you got to turn in reports, you got to go 320 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: to this school. 321 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: They're going to fire you and me both if you 322 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: don't do it. 323 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 4: It's not just about you. 324 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: And Todd's got the most laid back personality ever. 325 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: Okay, man, all right, I'm like, no, you don't know. 326 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: Stand we're gonna get fired. You and I on the street, 327 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: and you know, he's probably thinking, I'm going back to 328 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: the health club. 329 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: Me, I'm a young guy, Like what am I gonna do? 330 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 10: Yeah? 331 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: I made money ball, I got this. 332 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: He hit a couple of schools and you know, and and. 333 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: You know, and he went he he he went from 334 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: scouting to getting into coaching. It literally drove him into 335 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: another avenue of and then he becomes and then he 336 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 3: becomes a head coach. And I'm like, this guy, what 337 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: the health club? 338 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: But that's that's the Todd ball. 339 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: I mean literally, he went from being like working with 340 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: us as a scout in Green Bay. 341 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: And I mean it was he just his his demeanor 342 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: is just that of it's it's you see him on 343 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: the sideline. Oh, he's very very nothing bothers him. He's 344 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: just very Okay, man, it's cool. We'll get it done. 345 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: Don't worry about it, you know. I'm like, no, no, 346 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: you don't understand. We have to turn in reports. 347 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: You have to go to Virginia Tech, you have to 348 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: go to Penn State, you have to go to these schools. 349 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: We need those reports. All right, man, don't worry about it. 350 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: We'll get it done. I'm like, Okay, then he get done. 351 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 4: Rock kept his job for another couple of years. 352 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like we had to. 353 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: We scrambled, you know, we scrambled. I was pretty close 354 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: to flying to Virginia. And this is really before you 355 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: had like you know, you had the way to communicate 356 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: today with the cell phones and stuff like that. I mean, 357 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: you really couldn't find your scouts all that well. And 358 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: I almost went to some schools that he was supposed 359 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: to be at just to make sure he was there. 360 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: I almost got on a plane and flew to that 361 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: the Atlantic coast area, and. 362 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: Just to see if he was scouting the schools, just 363 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: to walk him to the schools. Hey, man, this is 364 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: North Carolina. Beautiful place, isn't it. 365 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: Oh, this is Duke. They're really smart here. Hey we 366 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: can go here and watch Tate and write reports, you know. 367 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: And I didn't have to do that, but man, that 368 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: was it was a nightmare. 369 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 4: Maybe what he figured is gouting aim for me coaching 370 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 4: I can do. 371 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: He did, and he and Parcells took a liking to him. 372 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 5: Yeah he did. 373 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: And that's and that's how Todd Bowles got to where 374 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 3: Todd Bowles is. 375 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 4: He's a good guy too. 376 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: He's a really good guy. If you just like being like, man, 377 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: don't worry about it. 378 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: He's very chill. 379 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: He's very chill. He's good. We're good here. Why why 380 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: he's so upset? And I'm like, because we're going to 381 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: lose our jobs. That's why I'm upset. I can't afford 382 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: to lose his job. And he goes, Okay, we'll get 383 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: it done. 384 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 4: Ryan hare on fire. Todd just like if I ran. 385 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: Him right now, he would be he wouldn't remember anything 386 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: I just said. I mean, he would be like you 387 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: I did that? Yeah, you know, but he here, he 388 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 3: is his coach, man, defensive coordinator, all that stuff. I mean, 389 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: but Bill Parcells. Everybody in life needs a sponsor. Bill 390 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: Parcells was his sponsor. I got him a gig and 391 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 3: into coaching. 392 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: No doubt, and he has led this team now to 393 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: an eight and six record. They are right now first 394 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 4: place in the NFC South. After losing some some parts 395 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 4: as the season is gone along, they've kind of been 396 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 4: able to keep it together. They are currently on a 397 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 4: four game win streak. I mean they won at the 398 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: Chargers last week, put up forty points against them, beat 399 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: Las Vegas the week before that, and beat a Carolina 400 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: team the week before that in overtime, and then beat 401 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 4: the New York Giants the week before that. So they've 402 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: had a similar trek over the last four weeks to 403 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 4: what the Cowboys were playing, and they came through it 404 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 4: unscathed and got some wins that they desperately needed in 405 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: order to keep hold of that NFC South. If I 406 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 4: had to go around the table and tell me, what 407 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 4: do you think is the thing that most that fans 408 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 4: need to know most about this team? As the Cowboys 409 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: prepared to face them, what would you say? 410 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 5: It's a really good team. Yeah, it's better than an 411 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 5: eight and six record, and I know eight and six 412 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 5: is a good record, but this is a really good team. 413 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 5: You look at these first ten opponents that they faced 414 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 5: in the first ten weeks, only one of them is 415 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 5: not currently in the playoff picture, and it was a 416 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 5: win against New Orleans. They won by twenty four. They're 417 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 5: one of two teams to beat Detroit. They did that 418 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 5: on the road. They're one of two teams to beat Philadelphia. 419 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 5: They did that at home, but it was by seventeen points. 420 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 5: And then since their bye week, you look and you 421 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 5: see New York Carolina Las Vegas Chargers, and they've handled business. 422 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 5: They're the only team to put up more than thirty 423 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 5: points against the Chargers. They put up forty on the 424 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 5: road defense and they have a phenomenal defense. So they've 425 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 5: really started to figure it out with their run game, 426 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 5: with their two headed monster. We'll get to it here 427 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 5: in a bit, but this is a really good team. 428 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 5: It's better than eight and six. This is a really 429 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 5: talented team coming to eighteen. 430 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got Mike Evans healthy now and he's been 431 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: lighting it up the last four weeks the way he's playing, 432 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: and then you know, also to give the tip of 433 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: the cap to Baker Mayfield. I mean, you could say 434 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 3: a lot of things about Baker Mayfield, but he finds 435 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: a way to make it happen. The line has done 436 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: a good job with some of the blocking that they've 437 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: had to do. The quarterback gets rid of the ball, 438 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: he's going to make plays, and it's it's really an 439 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: impressive offense to watch just because of the skill that 440 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 3: they have at the certain positions. Like Bucky Irving has 441 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: been just a fourth round pick and you know, here 442 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: we go him and White the other running back. They 443 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 3: do a really nice job with the one to two 444 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 3: punch of it. They got a tight end, it's very capable. 445 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: A lot of targets with Kate Ott and he's gonna 446 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: make plays for you. And they you know, they've got 447 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: a rookie center that when we were doing the draft 448 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: show that you know, I know that Nick and I 449 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: and others were talking about Graham Barton, you know, potentially 450 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 3: the Cowboys draft Graham Barton and would we would be 451 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: super happy with that with that pick, you know, and 452 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: he went right after Dallas picked matter of fact, to Tampa. 453 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's uh, I think I had that right 454 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: that he went. I think he went right after. 455 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 5: I think when they traded back back. 456 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: That they lost him when they traded back. Yeah, that's okay, 457 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: that was the story. 458 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 3: But yeah, overall though, you know, Mike Evans is finally, 459 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: you know, healthy, he's on his pace for another thousand 460 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: yard season, even though he's missing games. But they they're 461 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 3: they're offensively, they present a lot of problems for you. 462 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: Let's dive a little deeper into this offense. They are 463 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 4: right now third in total offense in the NFL, the 464 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 4: fourth and point scored. Uh, they are also fourth pass offense. 465 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: When you look at that. Baker Mayfield obviously as at 466 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 4: the epicenter of their success. He right now has two 467 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 4: and fifty eight yard per game through the air, thirty 468 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 4: two touchdowns, only fourteen interceptions, a one oh four point 469 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 4: one rating. Really really great season right now for Baker. 470 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 4: That being said, Kansas City, San Francisco, Denver, Detroit all 471 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 4: gave their offense, their passing offense, particularly some issues. They 472 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: were not able to put up the kinds of yards 473 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 4: and points that they were able to put up against 474 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 4: some of their other opponents. What do you think they 475 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 4: were able to do or just in general, looking at 476 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: his game, where do you think it's best to be 477 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 4: able to disrupt him? How do you best disrupt him? 478 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 5: I think he does make mistakes and you have to 479 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 5: be able to take advantage of those. You look at 480 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 5: the turnovers that is a little high whenever you compare 481 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 5: it to the rest of the league. When he makes 482 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 5: those stakes, you's got to be able to take advantage 483 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 5: of it. You're looking at this defense and it has 484 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 5: improved in the takeaway category in the last few weeks 485 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 5: on the Cowboys defense, but they got to really be 486 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 5: able to take advantage of these mistakes whenever he does 487 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 5: make them. 488 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do 489 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 3: with Mike Evans not being healthy. I think in some 490 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 3: of those games you're mentioned, and they're a little bit 491 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: of a different offense that way without him on the 492 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: on the field. 493 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: Uh. 494 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: But to me that when I was watching it, and 495 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 3: I always like to go back and watch how teams 496 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 3: pressure them, Denver really got after his ass, and I mean, 497 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: and then they got after him in a way that 498 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 3: that it would encourage if I was Mike Zimmer and 499 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: I'm watching the game on the tape, which I'm sure 500 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: he did. Denver's got some dynamic rushers and they've got 501 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: the ability they The thing that I've noticed with this 502 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: guy with Baker, is that if you make their running 503 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: backs have to play now, they'll throw the ball. 504 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: These running backs. That's that's going to be an issue. 505 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: Here, the ball going up against Cincinnati. Yeah. 506 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, Irving and White, I think between him they might 507 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: have missed four passes in eighties. I mean, it's it's 508 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: it's incredible the number of passes that their backs get. 509 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 3: The ball is going to go short and it's gonna 510 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: get out quick. But what Denver was able to do 511 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: was I saw a secondary pressure and I saw like 512 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: when teams play wide, and I mean wide, I mean alignment. 513 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: When they play wide against them, you can get these 514 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: offensive linemen to tilt a little bit and kind of 515 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 3: play over the tops of their feet. You play them 516 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: a little bit tighter. They send to be able to 517 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: sit down on you. But these these defenses that play 518 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: with a little space on the edge and able to attack, 519 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: it makes these linemen go a little forward and that 520 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 3: kind of gives their. 521 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: Blockers a problem. 522 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: But Bucky, Irving and and White, the running back when 523 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: they've had to play in blitz pickups or they've had 524 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: to block and help. 525 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 2: It's been a problem. It's been a real, real problem. 526 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: But this quarterback is not going to let you. 527 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's the second fastest in the 528 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 3: league when it comes to getting the ball out. 529 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 2: He's not. 530 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: But if you can make them hold secondary pressure, linebacker pressure, 531 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: make the backs have to play, play a little wider 532 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 3: with your scheme, which Denver did, played a little wider 533 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: with their scheme and they attacked those edges, attacked the shoulders. 534 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: These linemen were playing on their toes a little bit, 535 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: and I think that gave them some problems Philadelphia did. 536 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: I know Philadelphia lost. 537 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: The game, but just watching how teams were. 538 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 3: Able to generate pressure, those were the ways they were 539 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: able to do it. And I think not having Mike 540 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 3: Evans and some of those games didn't really help the 541 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: buck situation all that well. 542 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 5: Kind of build on that point, just talking about the 543 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 5: last three games, which have been wins for Sampa Bay. 544 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 5: But looking at these last three games, Baker has thrown 545 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 5: five interceptions, he's fumbled three times, and it's as a 546 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 5: result of him being sacked nine times. The pressure has 547 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 5: been on them. 548 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 4: So where the weak links is you look at this 549 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 4: offensive line, where are the weak links on this offensive line? 550 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 3: It was they were not playing with the right tackle. 551 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 5: I'm looking at left guard. 552 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: You're looking at left guard. 553 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they I think to me with with Reretterson, 554 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: is that who you're thinking is yeah, okay, I Kodeki? 555 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: Is that Luke Kadeki that. 556 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: They he's he when he was out at right tackle 557 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 3: they were playing with justin school. Justin School is a 558 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 3: backup that's given up seven and a half sacks, like 559 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: like you watched the Detroit game like it was when 560 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 3: School was in there. 561 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: He was getting worked by Hutchinson. You know. 562 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 3: So they they've they've had some they've had some problems there. 563 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like though, because but Kadecki 564 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: he's played since he's been back, that hasn't been a 565 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: problem at the right tackle. But when they had a 566 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: backup in there, that was a big problem. But Bretterson 567 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: I think was I think that Bretterson was a little 568 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: bit of a liability. But I was just thinking it's 569 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: a line that it felt like has played better because 570 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: they kind of they they they've not missed a lot 571 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 3: of time. By the way, this is I think there 572 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: were the when it comes to the number of snaps 573 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: that all these guys that played, I think they're like 574 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: the eighth or ninth best in the league for a 575 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: number of snaps that they've all played together. 576 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: But when their right tackle was out, that. 577 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 3: Was huge for them. So I like what Nick's talking about. 578 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: I was kind of thinking that the right guard was 579 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: a problem, uh with this this group, and then also 580 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: it's going to happen, it would be at the guards. 581 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 3: Tristan Wurf's has had some problems too with with some 582 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 3: of the snaps that he's had that I was watching 583 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: some of the pressure coming off him, people kind of 584 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: getting around him as well. But still a maller, he 585 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 3: is a maller, but but there were a couple of 586 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 3: times where like he like he When I was talking 587 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: about these guys leaning and getting he was one of 588 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: the one of the. 589 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: Guys that was involved in that. 590 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 5: Him and Jordan my lot of are my favorite left 591 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 5: tackles to watch in the entire NFL, just because of 592 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 5: how athletic they are. They can get after it and 593 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 5: they push guys through, They get out and get out 594 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 5: in space game. He's fun. 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Back to the break. 654 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 6: ATNT connecting changes everything You're. 655 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: So good at that Welcome back by final segment of 656 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: the break clap from this WBC Mortgage Studios at the 657 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: star Let's Jump Backy in Tampa Bay office versus Dallas defense. 658 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 4: Mike Evans, you mentioned him. He leads Tampa Bay and 659 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 4: receiving yards with seven hundred and forty nine k DOT 660 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 4: and he leads the Tampa band receptions of fifty nine. 661 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 4: By the way, this segment brought to you by blockchain 662 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 4: dot Com, Chris. And so, how does Dallas matchup specifically 663 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 4: with those two players, Mike Evans and Ka Doot. 664 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be fascinating cover just because you have 665 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 5: to account for what's coming out of the backfield too. 666 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 5: You're gonna have a lot of resources spread across the 667 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 5: field and a lot of one on one matchups. They 668 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 5: try to isolate guys in one on one coverage and 669 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 5: that's how Mike Evans is able to take advantage of it, 670 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 5: and that's how he was able to take advantage of 671 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 5: it last week. Huge game for him. From a Cowboys perspective, 672 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 5: you would like to have LinkedIn size on a guy 673 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 5: like Mike Evans, but you also look at a guy 674 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 5: like Deron Bland and see how he's been playing over 675 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 5: the last three to four weeks since his return, and 676 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 5: you might just try to trust him to cover Evans 677 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 5: and the opportunities that he has but yeah, travel with 678 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 5: him would I wouldn't mind it. I mean, you have 679 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 5: one healthy corner to play on the outside right now, 680 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 5: Manti ro Warrier. How confident are you that he doesn't 681 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 5: give up, you know, a big play? I think with 682 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 5: the way the cornerback health is right now, and I 683 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 5: am team pro Travel. I think we've determined that over 684 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 5: the over the course of the season. I am team 685 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 5: Pro Travel in this game specifically, just because you only 686 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 5: got one healthy corner on the outside. 687 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 3: In my eyes, yeah, this to me is I don't 688 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: know about starting AO in this game, and I know 689 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 3: they're there. 690 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: I'm here kind of thing. 691 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 5: Who are you starting? 692 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: I'm playing mcwama when the outside and playing Lewis and 693 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: talk about length and you know what I'm doing, and 694 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: you know what I'm doing, And if I have to, 695 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna mix it up. I'm gonna put Lewis on 696 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: the outside and I'm put MCWAMU. Evans plays on the 697 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 3: outside almost seventy percent of the time if you look 698 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: at the metrics on that, He's only goes in the 699 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: slot roughly thirty percent of the time. If you tell 700 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 3: me I could put Bland and Lewis on Evans. I'll 701 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 3: take my chances. I don't know if I want to 702 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 3: take my chances with Ao playing over there. I'll take 703 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 3: my chances maybe with mcwalmu playing. Because of the length 704 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: this guy plays. When you're talking about Evans, you know, 705 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: a lot of his stuff is kind of a vertical 706 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 3: game down the field. 707 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: He's going to go high point the ball. 708 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: You've got to be able to match his physicality, and 709 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 3: you've got to match his length. And so I know 710 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 3: putting Lewis on him might be a little bit of 711 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 3: a nightmare. Traveling, I totally I don't have a problem 712 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 3: with the traveling. They'll always tell you that if you travel, 713 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: it messes up everybody else. You know, it messes everybody 714 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: else then has to adjust if you're traveling guys. And 715 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: so I personally said, you know what, after seeing what 716 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: happened in the Carolina game the other day, we give 717 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: up an eighty something yard pass because you don't communicate things. 718 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: What traveling makes sense, and you don't communicate and now 719 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 3: somebody else catches the ball and goes, you know, McMillan 720 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: for them, or Shepherd or one of these other guys goes, 721 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: you know, Palmer, one of these other guys goes eighty 722 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 3: something yards because you didn't communicate, you know, what you 723 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 3: needed to do. That scares me a little bit, But 724 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 3: I would consider, I would consider just switching Ao. 725 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: It's gonna be switching Lewis and Mkuamu. 726 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 3: One play slot, one play out, one play the slot, 727 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: one play out, you know, just kind of mix it 728 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 3: up in there. Don't don't let him get an idea 729 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 3: of how you're playing. I think you almost have to 730 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 3: treat Kate Otten too to tie it in like a 731 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,239 Speaker 3: wide receiver because of his ability to make plays down 732 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: the field. 733 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 5: You mentioned Jalen McMillan. This is a guy that I 734 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 5: think fans should definitely be aware of whenever he's on 735 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 5: the field. Whenever Mike Evans and Chris Godwin went down 736 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 5: midway through the season in October, so they tried to 737 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 5: throw that wide receiver one responsibility on him. He didn't 738 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 5: really answer to it. He's a rookie out of Washington. 739 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 5: When we talked about him a lot in the draft 740 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 5: show last year, he was one of those three receivers 741 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 5: I got drafted out of Washington last year. But he 742 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 5: didn't really answer to that call. He had in those 743 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 5: two games right after Evans and Godwin went down, he 744 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 5: had fifteen targets, he only had seven receptions for fifty 745 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 5: yards and wasn't really able to build They tried to 746 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 5: get him involved in the run game just out in space. 747 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 5: Didn't really quite work. But over these last two games 748 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 5: since Evans has come back and he's been able to 749 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 5: kind of take a step back and really try to 750 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 5: find his own role. He's been great these just these 751 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 5: last two games, he has nine of his twenty two 752 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 5: receptions on the season, one hundred and thirty four of 753 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 5: his two hundred and seventy nine yards, and three of 754 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 5: his four touchdowns. He's he's come alive in this offense. 755 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield has really started to build a connection with him. 756 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 5: This is the guy you definitely have to keep track 757 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 5: of too, and he's gonna be a guy out of 758 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 5: the slot that Jordan Lewis is gonna have problems with, 759 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 5: or maybe not problems with, but he's gonna be He's 760 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 5: gonna be a legitimate challenge for Jordan Lewis having the slot. 761 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty good balance between the passing game and the 762 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 6: running game, Like they have good players from both where 763 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 6: they can if something's not working, they can just go 764 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 6: and use the other one. So it's gonna be And 765 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 6: like you mentioned that game Derek against Cincinnati, I mean, 766 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 6: we saw what a running back can do there touch. 767 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 768 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's one area that you definitely have to 769 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 6: be concerned. But also on the positive side, you have 770 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 6: seen the Cowboys being able to kind of control that 771 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 6: area and improve in the running defense. 772 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 773 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: No, absolutely, And if I can circle back on McMillan, 774 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 3: five of you know, he's had forty targets this year, 775 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 3: five of them have been the resulted in interceptions. 776 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 2: He is the one. 777 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 3: He's Baker Mayfield has thrown him the ball. He's the 778 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 3: one receiver that has given up like or what given 779 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 3: up or been a part of targets to him. Five 780 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 3: of them have been interceptions out of forty targets. So 781 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 3: it's been a little bit of struggle, but a little 782 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 3: bit of improvement here. 783 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: The last couple of weeks. But to your point, though, if. 784 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 3: Dallas doesn't deal with if Dallas doesn't deal with Irvin 785 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 3: and White catching the football, this could be a long 786 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 3: day for them because that that that that they're going 787 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 3: to throw the ball to these dudes They're one of 788 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 3: those teams that they like to throw the Baker mayfield 789 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 3: he throws. He throws a lot of short passes. I 790 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 3: mean it's a lot of short passes and then run 791 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 3: a lot of rack for these guys, and they like 792 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: to throw the ball to the flat. If Dallas doesn't 793 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 3: play in space and play the flats well enough, they're 794 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 3: gonna get killed. They to get it against Cincinnati with 795 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 3: the receivers catch or it's gonna be the Backs catching 796 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 3: the ball. This is going to This is going to 797 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 3: make their defense. It's not going to be so much vertically, 798 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 3: it's gonna be horizontally how they're gonna have to play 799 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 3: this game because of the way the ball goes short. 800 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 5: You know, I love me some Bucky Irvin. 801 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 2: Brian, I know you do. You're right about him, man. 802 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 5: He's been so much fun to watch. He's a physical 803 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 5: runner despite his stature. He's only five foot nine, but 804 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 5: his field vision. I think walking into the league year 805 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 5: one and seeing what he's been able to do, I 806 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 5: put his field vision top three in the league. It's 807 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 5: it's that good. He just his eyes on the back 808 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 5: of his head. He's really talented, really talented. 809 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 4: All right, Let's tell a couple of player evaluations. There 810 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 4: were some players on the Cowboys defense and we didn't 811 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 4: get a chance to talk much about in the post 812 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 4: game of their last game, but I want to throw 813 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 4: their names out and you guys tell me what you think, 814 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 4: what you saw from them last week and then obviously 815 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 4: projecting into this. So let's start with Israel mcuama, who 816 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 4: you mentioned that Brian, you said you'd probably play him 817 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 4: more this week at cornerback. What did you see from 818 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 4: him last week? 819 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 3: I think that with with is He, you're gonna you're 820 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 3: going to get there's some flexibility because he played some 821 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 3: safety too. If you remember Hooker, Hooker had a foot problem. 822 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 3: I thought Hooker got stepped on. When you watch the tape, 823 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 3: you're like, did he gets stepped on? And then they 824 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 3: came back and he had tape on his over his shoes. 825 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,479 Speaker 3: So I mean, obviously it's an ankle problem or foot problem, 826 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 3: something that he was dealing with. 827 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 2: But the thing. 828 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 3: About is he is I think is he is going 829 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 3: to always be super competitive. 830 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be He's going to. 831 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 3: Be aware of what's happening around him and to me, 832 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 3: when I watch him play. There was a time where 833 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 3: I was kind of nervous about putting him out there, 834 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 3: but I'm not anymore. I'm not I used to think, like, gosh, 835 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 3: he's going to do something's crazy and he's not gonna 836 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 3: he's gonna buy, but he's usually generally locked into what's 837 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 3: going on. The link is impressive. The ability to carry 838 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 3: guys is impressive. The ability to go get the football, 839 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 3: and we saw it with the interceptions and stuff like that. 840 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 3: He's had his ability to kind of be at the 841 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 3: right place at the right time. I'm totally okay with him, 842 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 3: you know, being out there and being a part of 843 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 3: this this week because of the weapons that they have, 844 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 3: you know, with Evans and Aughton, and they're going to 845 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 3: have to I would rather have him out there than Ao. 846 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: Like I said, start him, let him play, match that 847 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: thing up, and then let him go. 848 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 5: He's played one hundred and twenty three covered snaps. He's 849 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 5: only allowed eight receptions for eighty nine yards on the year. Granted, 850 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 5: he's been he's been kind of managed a lot in 851 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 5: different areas as well, and so those numbers might be 852 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 5: a little bit skewed, but he has been good in 853 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 5: coverage from what I've seen, the link is there. The 854 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 5: strides really make up ground in a in a fast manner. 855 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 5: I like his role mcwamo to start playing a little 856 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 5: bit more as in these next three games. 857 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, talk to me about Donovan Lewis. 858 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 5: Donovan Lewis, I was just curious which one you wanted there. 859 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 5: Donovan Wilson, Hey, I'll take a combination. Yeah, combination. I 860 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 5: think I think with Donovan Wilson you started to see 861 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 5: him kind of find his stride again in the last 862 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 5: few weeks. I will say that because in the beginning 863 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 5: of the season, I'll be honest with you guys, and 864 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 5: I think I even mentioned on the show. I was like, 865 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 5: all right, you might need to look somewhere else and 866 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 5: twenty five and I'm not completely throwing that equation out 867 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 5: of the window either, but I think you're starting to 868 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 5: see Donovan Wilson returned to for him a little bit. 869 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 5: I don't think he ever found his stride last year, 870 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 5: coming off with that calf injury that he suffered in 871 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 5: training camp and it kind of kept him out for 872 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 5: this first couple of weeks. But I think this year, 873 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 5: seeing him with the full camp and then now the 874 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 5: first half of the season, this entire defense was in disarray. 875 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 5: But now that this defense has really started a rebound, 876 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 5: you started to see Donovan Wilson rebound. As the linebackers 877 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 5: in front of him rebound, You're starting to see him rebound. 878 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 5: So I think he's kind of a product of everything 879 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 5: around him. You know, how much do you want that 880 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 5: in your safety department. That's a question you would have 881 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 5: to answer in the offseason. You know a guy that 882 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 5: only thrives when everyone around him is thriving. But on 883 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 5: that same token, you still have to give credit to 884 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 5: him being able to make plays in the run game. 885 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 5: I love the situational blitzing that Mike Zimmer's found with 886 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 5: him as well. But in coverage, I think he's still 887 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 5: a liability. 888 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the coverage part of it. 889 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 3: They figured out that we're not going to after that 890 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 3: San Francisco game. They're like, listen, we can't put him 891 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 3: in coverage anymore. And so all of a sudden, it's like, 892 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 3: here we are. We're going to adapt you. We're gonna 893 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 3: make you this situational blitzer. We're gonna let you play 894 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 3: around the line of scrimmage a little more. You go 895 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 3: back and watch the tape with Dan Quinn. What was 896 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 3: Donovan Wilson doing pretty well? Playing around the line of scrimmage, 897 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 3: making tackles, being a physical force if the run breaks 898 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 3: through here there making a play. And that's what they've done. 899 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 3: They realized that putting him in coverage is a terrible idea, 900 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 3: and they're playing to his strengths and that's why he's 901 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 3: playing better. 902 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 4: Did you guys notice? And I didn't see any final 903 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 4: stats on play count play snap counts, but it seemed 904 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 4: to me like they were kind of mixing he and 905 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 4: mcwonmalall early in the game a lot more like he 906 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 4: was off the field with mcameal on. Did you guys 907 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 4: see the same thing or was that just kind of, 908 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 4: you know, a few plays the. 909 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 2: Thing with Hooker getting hurt, I mean, was. 910 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 4: Still on the field. It was Hooker and mcamal and 911 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 4: then it would be Hooker and Lewis Lewis Wilson. And 912 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 4: I don't it just I hadn't. I didn't track at 913 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 4: the whole game, and I didn't see any snap counts 914 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 4: after the game. They didn't give us that in our 915 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,919 Speaker 4: packet that we got from from from the PR team. 916 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 4: But but I just wondered if if that was a 917 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 4: situation where they were playing mcqualma more and that meant 918 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 4: less snaps for Wilson. 919 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 5: I mean, Wilson did play his second least snaps of 920 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 5: the season against Carolina, so and technically Isral mcquama played 921 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 5: fifteen snaps at safety, so I had something to look 922 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 5: at for sure. I did notice mcwuama on the field though, 923 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 5: in the first first uh, in the first quarter, and 924 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 5: then you look around you see Ore and you see 925 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 5: Lewis and you're like, okay. 926 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 4: We're soius. 927 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 5: So I didn't notice that as well. I guess I 928 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 5: just kind of forgot to circle back on it. Yeah, 929 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 5: that's an interesting point, I think. I think in that sense, 930 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 5: maybe you just put mcuamo on the field in passing 931 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 5: downs and passing situations unless you're using Wilson as a 932 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 5: situational blutzer. 933 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it was. 934 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, Amani or Owaria, what did you see from last week? 935 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not. I just don't. I'm not going 936 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 2: there anymore. 937 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 4: You're done. 938 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 3: It's it's it's tough to identify because of the block 939 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 3: punt thing and all that. I'm just no, I just 940 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 3: feel like that man I could play with. I could 941 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 3: play with Izzy, I could play if Jordan Lewis has 942 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 3: proven to me that he could play on the outside. Again, 943 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 3: I haven't seen that since Michigan. Yeah, you know, and 944 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 3: if you you give me a guy that can carry, 945 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 3: a guy that's gonna be tough guy, it's gonna play 946 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 3: routes inside guy, it's gonna tackle. Give me that guy. 947 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 3: You know, there was something that happened in that game 948 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 3: that that thing didn't get communicated all the way to 949 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 3: the outside and you had a huge bust. 950 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 2: You can't have that. You can't have that. I don't 951 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 2: know him, Hooker, somebody. They did not get that message 952 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 2: so to me. 953 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 3: And I know that he's he's had some moments where 954 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 3: but I just it's it's it's it's not. 955 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 2: Worth it to me anymore. It's just not. 956 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 3: When I know that I have other guys that I 957 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,919 Speaker 3: could feel like that, I can think I can lean 958 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 3: on a little bit harder and then they won't they 959 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 3: won't have problems out there. 960 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 5: The amani Or Warrior Brian brought us apology game coming 961 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 5: on Sunday night. 962 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 3: You think so, I don't know, Yeah, I'll be happy 963 00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 3: I'm wrong. 964 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 5: That's the it's still for me to identify what exactly 965 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 5: happened on that eighty three yarder, and that's that's it's 966 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 5: something you can't even ask the players either because they're 967 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 5: not gonna throw another guy under the bus. But it's it's, yeah, 968 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 5: but they do know, someone knows they didn't communicate side 969 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 5: that they and that is that was one hundred percent true. 970 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: Situation. 971 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 5: Was a situation where Hooker was trying to communicate an 972 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 5: oral Warrea wasn't even looking or was a situation where 973 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 5: or Warrier was looking over and Hooker didn't communicate anything. 974 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 5: So it's like it's it's tough to identify what exactly happened, 975 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 5: but you take that play, let's take that play out 976 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 5: of out of the equation. I mean, this secondary played 977 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 5: really well on Sunday, and it's it's if you would 978 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 5: be trying to harp on anybody, I think it would 979 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 5: be a little bit of nitpicking from from uh aside 980 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 5: from that eighty three yarder. Nitpicking aside from the eighty 981 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 5: three yarder. Yeah, I mean you look at the you 982 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 5: look at the secondary and how they performed, even or Warrier. 983 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, but you're okay, You're you're gonna comfortable in 984 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 3: this game having Ao cover Evans. 985 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 5: No, absolutely not, okay. 986 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 2: I just want to make sure I wasn't. 987 00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 12: Nick. 988 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 5: No, no, I think you would be to try to find 989 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 5: any negatives in the Carolina game aside from the eighty 990 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 5: three yarder. Like if if we're taking away the eighty 991 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 5: three yarder, I think it would be. 992 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 2: I've taken it. I have taken it out. 993 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,439 Speaker 3: I just feel like that I have better better cover 994 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 3: guys without him being able. 995 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 4: It's less about him and more about the fact they're 996 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 4: just guys that are better. 997 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 2: I think they're guys that are better. That's just I 998 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 2: agree with you. I agree with all Right, that's a wrapping. 999 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 2: Tomorrow play. 1000 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 4: Tomorrow we will be back. We will talk about the offense, 1001 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, the defense for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers versus 1002 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 4: the Cowboys offense. It will be our final show of 1003 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 4: the week, so we'll also get some picks tomorrow. Till 1004 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 4: then for Nick Harris, Brian brought us Ambergarci. I'm Derek 1005 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 4: Eilts and this has been The Break live on Dallas 1006 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 4: Cowboys dot Com Radio. 1007 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and 1008 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club