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Speaker 1: Hargrove had tried to warrant Gary, Indiana that they might
Speaker 1: have a serial killer, the police one town over in Hammond, Indiana,
Speaker 1: arrested Darren Vaughan. How many people are you responsible for killing?
Speaker 1: But it is a lifetime. How couldn't even two? Vond
Speaker 1: led investigators to six bodies? And while the m O
Speaker 1: matched one of the patterns, Hardroup had identified young women
Speaker 1: who had been strangled and left in abandoned buildings, none
Speaker 1: of these victims were on Hargrove's list. They were all
Speaker 1: more recent murders that have been committed after Hargrove sent
Speaker 1: the letter to Gary. But in a press conference, police
Speaker 1: mentioned that On had confessed to murders going back twenty years,
Speaker 1: and the Hammond mayor wrote, he'd confessed to a couple
Speaker 1: of murders into and they told Hammond police that he
Speaker 1: had been active going back to the mid nineties, and
Speaker 1: I would take him at his word. So it was
Speaker 1: Vond responsible for the killings that Hargrove's algorithm had picked
Speaker 1: up on. Where was something else going on? This episode
Speaker 1: we explore what Bond was doing back in the nineties
Speaker 1: from I Heeart Media and Tenderfoot TV. This is algorithm.
Speaker 1: I'm ben Key brick. Hard Grove's algorithm had identified fifteen
Speaker 1: homicides between and two thousand seven. The first step in
Speaker 1: figuring out if Vaughn was responsible for these murders were
Speaker 1: other cold cases is figuring out where he was living
Speaker 1: and what he was doing during that period. Von told
Speaker 1: detectives that in the early eighties he was recruited into
Speaker 1: a gang, the Gangster Disciples, by an older boy named
Speaker 1: Big or Big Mike. The Bond's brother, Reginald didn't buy
Speaker 1: this story. Ok, his friend Big Mike, he likes to
Speaker 1: talk about talk about him and Big Mike grew up
Speaker 1: in homes together him, Big Wings. He remember him, Big Mike,
Speaker 1: Big Bad. But nobody and my family knows Big Mike.
Speaker 1: Nobody's ever seen Big Mike. You know what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: come on now, it's not plausible. Big Money is a
Speaker 1: fictional character as far as I'm concerned. Well, the last
Speaker 1: thing he said I was with Big Mike. He just
Speaker 1: like we get to talk about the old days and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. He likes to build himself up to
Speaker 1: be like I don't know, I don't put it man,
Speaker 1: uh fucking guy complex. He tells stories and like, you know,
Speaker 1: back in my day, I could have sold all these drugs.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I could have been a
Speaker 1: key opinion, isn't that? You know? Fred? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I'm talking to just sitting here, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you a little around like you want to. I know,
Speaker 1: it's not possible, you know what I'm It's not possible
Speaker 1: that he exists. Yeah, yeah, I mean I mean that
Speaker 1: you think this was possible? Really really trying to explains, Man,
Speaker 1: we we don't we don't know you probably like you
Speaker 1: know your brother. Yeah, I mean, that's why we're That's
Speaker 1: why we're here. It's just like, all right, you you
Speaker 1: talked to somebody and they come with this crazy yeas
Speaker 1: story and they just have to want to up you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And when I talked to him,
Speaker 1: sometimes I just started. Notice you know he does that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We had a conversation with
Speaker 1: the fucking neighbor. He was like, yeah, I remember the
Speaker 1: teacher got killed in Rosevelt. Roosevelt is one of the
Speaker 1: high schools. And Gary like, you remember, you remember, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to d you know, And I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know you're talking about I don't remember no teacher getting
Speaker 1: killed that Roselt. But that's the type that she does,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't that conversation's park Uh, we were talking
Speaker 1: about we were talking about white people. You care it's
Speaker 1: finely yeah, you know, I don't want to you know,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. You know about it about so
Speaker 1: you know, we were much have one of those conversations.
Speaker 1: You know it's me and him and the neighbor who
Speaker 1: you were talking about. No, that's not right. I don't remember. No,
Speaker 1: tis a game Carol's house. Last time we get a
Speaker 1: conversation with him. Let me ask you this what he
Speaker 1: talks about Big Mike, because he ever see him and
Speaker 1: Big Mike do this, or him Big might do that,
Speaker 1: or know what's what's that conversation? If I gotta passed
Speaker 1: pass you know it's about selling drugs and you know,
Speaker 1: gag ship. You know what I'm saying is any game
Speaker 1: says any game? Yeah? What was her? Sasonlin decides say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: but as far as I could call him, and he
Speaker 1: was the nerdy kid who wanted to be bad, like
Speaker 1: he'd come home watch cartoons and danced movies and swearing
Speaker 1: in the hard board. You know what I'm saying it
Speaker 1: to me, It don't ain't no sense, you know. But
Speaker 1: you brought up a good point though, like I ain't
Speaker 1: picked this ship was possible. But I really don't think
Speaker 1: Big Mike is a real person. When you started to
Speaker 1: talking about Big Mike, you said, fuck it, here he
Speaker 1: goes Big Mike. Why did the team Mike? That was
Speaker 1: a lot of for years to let out. I mean,
Speaker 1: kind of this life, I honestly don't believe it's this
Speaker 1: dude is really okay, And it's borderline crazy to have
Speaker 1: flashbacks of somebody who I ain't real okay. I I
Speaker 1: don't see how include brother some of these these stories
Speaker 1: of Grids him Hill. We still have keys and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And I've never seen more brother with more money,
Speaker 1: you know than the average person. Von's lawyers also had
Speaker 1: their doubts about some of Von's stories. Here's Goyko Cossage.
Speaker 1: All of us, I think, at some point in time,
Speaker 1: thought that Darren would tell us some things that were
Speaker 1: either puffing or maybe just going ahead and obfuscating things,
Speaker 1: because I mean, let's face it, the guy was charged
Speaker 1: with multiple death pediment accounts and to expect a full
Speaker 1: honest answer um. But he was in denial on some things.
Speaker 1: We found some people who were at Thelmbal Marshall with him,
Speaker 1: a couple of white brothers, and Darren would tell us
Speaker 1: that he was not being bothered at Tholba Marshal because
Speaker 1: he was physically stronger than the other people that were
Speaker 1: Themba Marshall and they looked at us like we were.
Speaker 1: They said he was the smallest kid there. He was tiny.
Speaker 1: We had to pretended him. He was always getting picked
Speaker 1: on and pushed around by the others, and and Darren
Speaker 1: swears that didn't happen so in his mind, be it
Speaker 1: from the organic injury or something he had convinced himself,
Speaker 1: there were episodes in Darren's life that he remembered completely
Speaker 1: different than what we had incredible evidence for happening in
Speaker 1: another fashion. It's hard to know what to make of
Speaker 1: all of this. It's clear that Vaughan isn't always a
Speaker 1: reliable narrator of his own life, and many of his
Speaker 1: stories sound crazy, but also many of the things that
Speaker 1: he did do, like strangling seven women over the course
Speaker 1: of a year, might have sounded made up as well.
Speaker 1: This is a point in the story where I'd like
Speaker 1: to reach out to you, to our listeners, I'd really
Speaker 1: like to get in touch with someone who went to
Speaker 1: the Thelma Marshall Home at the same time as Von,
Speaker 1: where anyone who knew him or this big year, big
Speaker 1: mic guy, please call and leave us a voicemail. You
Speaker 1: can get the number in the show notes or at
Speaker 1: the end of the episode, and maybe you can give
Speaker 1: us the in road we need to help figure out
Speaker 1: how much Von's story we can trust, regardless of whether
Speaker 1: Big E was real or just a figment of Vaughn's imagination.
Speaker 1: Vaughn was soon drawn away from Gary at sixteen. He
Speaker 1: was reunited with his mom and your mother picked you
Speaker 1: up getting back to Okay. Von's mother was now almost
Speaker 1: thirty and she was living with a new partner and
Speaker 1: two young children. Reginald Von's half brother, who you heard
Speaker 1: from earlier, was just three at the time, and Regina
Speaker 1: von step sister was just six. For Vaughan, it was
Speaker 1: a big adjustment. I don't know about the family, and
Speaker 1: soon after Vaughan rejoined his mother, the family moved to Lima,
Speaker 1: a small rust belt city in northwest Ohio day where
Speaker 1: I was coat shocked. They have no game at that time.
Speaker 1: Lima might not have had gangs, but Bond's life was turbulent.
Speaker 1: Even though his mother was older and more mature, she
Speaker 1: still had issues. She suffered from schizophrenia and struggled with
Speaker 1: addiction to hard drugs, and Vaughan was often running away
Speaker 1: from home. Sometimes he hitchhike the two d miles back
Speaker 1: to Gary. I ran away, called a truck while part away.
Speaker 1: It came on my rapple out and they wore booking
Speaker 1: for me in Ohio. Your grandpa keep you there And
Speaker 1: now he called don't right. It's like, just come get him.
Speaker 1: Don't mess one, because you know you're gonna get around.
Speaker 1: Von stepsister. Regina was young enough that she didn't know
Speaker 1: everything that was going on, but she told police Vawn's
Speaker 1: mother was physically abusive. It was definitely, um abuseless. I
Speaker 1: know she was abuseless. I know she was. We share Sidney,
Speaker 1: and I know bought back. She was abusive to that
Speaker 1: Sidney from a man she loves that's taking care of
Speaker 1: that shot. I can only imagine what she had no
Speaker 1: problem to all of a sudden at Dan taken Carol. Now,
Speaker 1: when you say abusive, like verbally, abusive physically, I don't
Speaker 1: recall all the different, but I know she will, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why we're asking, because you know it's
Speaker 1: important for us, and also know where he's coming from,
Speaker 1: because that might actually help us, you know, to find
Speaker 1: a lot more things out about him. So um, so
Speaker 1: she was definitely abuse to ze. Regina says that when
Speaker 1: she got older, family members told her that when Vaughan's
Speaker 1: mom got really mad, she'd make Vaughn cover his skin
Speaker 1: with alcohol, presumably so that his wounds would sting as
Speaker 1: she beat him. This laws grown up. I heard it
Speaker 1: in the household from the other siblings, write telling you
Speaker 1: about it, right, I really don't remember, But I don't
Speaker 1: remember this alcohol. I thought it was a little different.
Speaker 1: Vaughan graduated from Lima Senior High School and moved back
Speaker 1: to northwest Indiana. He says that that's when he made
Speaker 1: the first of what he calls his mistakes. Killings that
Speaker 1: were not gang related were intended at all. So were
Speaker 1: these the twenty year old murders that the police and
Speaker 1: mayor were referring to. Vaughn first all detectives about these killings.
Speaker 1: On the second night of the death March, he just
Speaker 1: finished leading Detective Forward and Captain Hinajosa to three more
Speaker 1: bodies and abandoned buildings and Gary being Hammond police. Ford
Speaker 1: and Hinajosa asked Vaughn whether he had any murders to
Speaker 1: confess to that had taken place specifically in Hammond. Vaughn
Speaker 1: directed the police to a vacant lot in southwest Hammond
Speaker 1: where a bar had once been located. Vaughn said he'd
Speaker 1: robbed an older couple there sometime back in the early nineties,
Speaker 1: that it only was abandoned then. Yeah, And so these
Speaker 1: two people, why were they in the building? I'll robin, Well,
Speaker 1: but how did you get him there? At the ground
Speaker 1: the point, I'll robin, because they're why used to cut
Speaker 1: through the hilty lite used to be a way to
Speaker 1: cut through back order a mad gun point into the
Speaker 1: bill right and then rob But what did you get
Speaker 1: out of the robbery? Remember it was it was something small,
Speaker 1: remember and I was like I said, I was like,
Speaker 1: it was it just money. It's just money. That's all
Speaker 1: of that. I was just a kid, damn. After walking
Speaker 1: forward and Kinajosa through his memories of the robbery turned
Speaker 1: double homicide, Von guided detectives to an alley between Tracord
Speaker 1: and Becker Street. Von told detectives he'd gotten into a
Speaker 1: fight there and ended up shooting a man. You said
Speaker 1: that you shot him near the telephone pole that was
Speaker 1: directly across right from there. How many times do you
Speaker 1: think you shot hibouree three? Do you know what caliber
Speaker 1: gun you had or anything like? Back then, I was
Speaker 1: caring to I was going badly while I was covered
Speaker 1: here in in nineteen nineties. I know who gave you
Speaker 1: to remember that that was your sweet beat. That's what
Speaker 1: they gave all of us. Meddle months. There's bag then
Speaker 1: twenty food. The twenty five was running rapid, all of
Speaker 1: you know, officers, I think these likely are the murders
Speaker 1: that police referred to in the press conference after Von's
Speaker 1: arrest when they mentioned crimes going back twenty years. But
Speaker 1: it's a bit confusing because Vaughan says in the interrogation
Speaker 1: that these murders took place around one and in the
Speaker 1: account that the mayor wrote on Facebook, he said Vaughan
Speaker 1: had confessed to murders in ninety four, and Vaughn isn't
Speaker 1: great with dates, so maybe he changed his story at
Speaker 1: some point as far as I can tell him, and
Speaker 1: police have yet to connect these confessions to any reported crimes.
Speaker 1: To briefly recap, after graduating high school, Vaughan returned to
Speaker 1: Northwest Indiana in and he told police that around that
Speaker 1: time he shot at least three people in Hammond. Then
Speaker 1: Vaughn's life took a major shift, and in December, he
Speaker 1: enlisted with the Marines. Vaughn was first shipped out to
Speaker 1: San Diego, where he went through boot camp and got
Speaker 1: combat training. Then he trained as a missile system operator
Speaker 1: in El Passa, Texas, and from July to September he
Speaker 1: was stationed in Cherry Point, North Carolina. Here's his lawyer, Cossage.
Speaker 1: I think in North Carolina they got a big brawl
Speaker 1: that he got hit and he with a chair, doesn't
Speaker 1: remember what happened, and there were a couple of other
Speaker 1: head injuries that he suffered in Vaughan received and other
Speaker 1: than honorable discharge from the Marines. Let's just say that
Speaker 1: in the military he got discharged because of an active
Speaker 1: insubordination of some kind. It was really not related to
Speaker 1: the case. It's the insubordination, that thing you mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: with the head damage. No, no, I can't. You know
Speaker 1: Darren didn't take orders. Well, you know, he he didn't
Speaker 1: like being told what to do. And I think it's
Speaker 1: gone throughout his entire life and goes all the way
Speaker 1: back to age four. And at a certain point in
Speaker 1: time they decided, okay, you don't want to take orders.
Speaker 1: I guess we don't need you as a marine. And
Speaker 1: he said, okay, fine. So that was that. How come
Speaker 1: you get kicked out on disciplary behavior? Good soul is
Speaker 1: you're bad at home? And they say, but what led
Speaker 1: to this, uh discharge disappeared really disappearing. We don't fight,
Speaker 1: nobody go home. So you just kind of went a
Speaker 1: wall or whatever they call it. Or I told him
Speaker 1: I was gonna be late coming back, but you know,
Speaker 1: I still a wall. I don't be late. I'm in him.
Speaker 1: I mean Geary, I'll get back. I mean, when I
Speaker 1: you seem that a president, we're not at war. Vaughn
Speaker 1: wasn't that interested in serving his country. Three. What he
Speaker 1: really wanted was to die in the battlefield Vauntel detective Forward.
Speaker 1: He'd taken out a big life insurance policy with the
Speaker 1: hopes of dying in combat and then giving the insurance
Speaker 1: settlement to his younger brother, Reginald that's already not joined.
Speaker 1: Were supposed to be going to war. Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: out in ninety three. Come back to Gary, come back
Speaker 1: to hammn to Hammond, to heaven. So I living right
Speaker 1: for man. Her real life was managed. Sometime around this point,
Speaker 1: von met the woman who'ld later become his wife. Good woman,
Speaker 1: very guy until I'll find Merry a terrible person. She
Speaker 1: believe it. Yeah, she knows I have a terrible temper.
Speaker 1: She said, I'm a good guy, so I'll take care
Speaker 1: of the house and take care of I'll just have
Speaker 1: a terrible temper. It was an unusual relationship for sure.
Speaker 1: Vaughn would have been around twenty two years old and
Speaker 1: the woman, Maria, was fifty one, twenty nine years older
Speaker 1: than him. Maria was an Italian immigrant with kids nearly
Speaker 1: Darren's age. Shortly after Von's arrest, she told The New
Speaker 1: York Times that she'd met Vaughan through some mutual friends.
Speaker 1: She described him as quote intelligent, very relaxed, very nice
Speaker 1: to everyone. But what Maria saw as kind and quiet,
Speaker 1: her son ed interpreted differently. Had spoke to CNN shortly
Speaker 1: after Darren's arrest. First of all, I didn't like it
Speaker 1: for her to marry ad almost my age. Number one,
Speaker 1: number two. He was just a strange guy. I walked
Speaker 1: in and I would see him talking to himself and
Speaker 1: you're saying hello, He's like hello and looked down to
Speaker 1: the ground. He was always in the thought, always like
Speaker 1: he had something else on his mind other than what
Speaker 1: he was. When a person walks around talking to themselves
Speaker 1: and looked like the answering himselves as long with him
Speaker 1: and then he was just says that he killed the
Speaker 1: people alight. He finally topped around just a couple of
Speaker 1: years after he'd started dating Maria. Vaughn says he got
Speaker 1: sucked back into the gang life when his old mentor,
Speaker 1: Big E, was killed. Vaughn says that during the time
Speaker 1: he's spending the Marines. The gangster disciples had fractured and
Speaker 1: split up into small, competing clicks. There was no longer
Speaker 1: any need for gang enforcers, and Vaughan felt like an outsider.
Speaker 1: France killing France killing bro Nobody one murder place because
Speaker 1: all the killing that will years were running the streets.
Speaker 1: Vaughn says he struggled to adjust to this new gang hierarchy,
Speaker 1: and Maria, his fifty year old girlfriend, struggled with his
Speaker 1: return to criminal life. Things came to a head when
Speaker 1: one of the other gang members got arrested. Somebody else
Speaker 1: had busted on her. They thought that person was gonna
Speaker 1: tell on me, and they thought I was gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: They tried to murder me. Von says some gang members
Speaker 1: jumped him and started beating him. They busted open his head,
Speaker 1: but he got away. When he got home, Maria was
Speaker 1: terrified when my head got busted open. She wanted me
Speaker 1: to tell on everybody. I thought, that's not how it work.
Speaker 1: She was high as the say about it. That's how
Speaker 1: I ended up in Texas. To escape, Von and Maria
Speaker 1: moved to Austin and they married in city hall in
Speaker 1: front of a few friends. I got married in Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: year because the one important I'm married to rant I
Speaker 1: told you want to give marries you know alone another chick.
Speaker 1: I'm arey because she was a lot with me. She
Speaker 1: married a person didn't love her. Try to take care
Speaker 1: of me. But I know who I am. We all
Speaker 1: are super told like you know your hoss, son of
Speaker 1: a bitch. But she is like, oh yeah, he'll always
Speaker 1: protect us, right, That's how she moved Daddy. They'll go
Speaker 1: out his way to protective. Actually, without her, you would
Speaker 1: probably call me years ago because she gave me Vince.
Speaker 1: You don't need to do this. You got good mind work.
Speaker 1: And maybe Maria did provide Vaughan with some balance and stability,
Speaker 1: because for a while it seemed like Vaughan's life was
Speaker 1: getting back on track. Vaughn says he got a job
Speaker 1: in Austin working for Tell Computers. You work for Dell Computers.
Speaker 1: What did you do assembly with the Futers together program
Speaker 1: in Texas? Yeah? Nice? I work for Deal, I work
Speaker 1: for Thanks, I worked I worked for some nice complet
Speaker 1: to come. Maria's son ed though, remembered it souring quickly.
Speaker 1: You know how it is when you first moved some
Speaker 1: place as a new little relationship. He probably was in
Speaker 1: the happiest moment of his life. I don't know, he
Speaker 1: got some lady to marry him, Okay, but after that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he works for a chimp agency,
Speaker 1: that kind of working on the tail. They fired him,
Speaker 1: you know, and from that moment on he went down ill.
Speaker 1: He became a creepy dude. You know, he wandered around
Speaker 1: at nights. My mom didn't think und strange about it
Speaker 1: about his mom her both friend or husband, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call him. He's running around at nighttime on runbird. Mom,
Speaker 1: you know what kind of neighorhood that is. That's a
Speaker 1: prostitution store. He was a strange dude. He was doing
Speaker 1: something They need to be checking here at Austin. He
Speaker 1: might have been doing something more than just that long gerard,
Speaker 1: as we'll get into in the next episode. Von did
Speaker 1: have at least one victim in Austin, and there are
Speaker 1: cold cases in Austin that are worth exploring as well.
Speaker 1: But while Maria's son Ed identifies Vaughn's firing from Dell
Speaker 1: as the start of Von's downward spiral, Von himself identifies
Speaker 1: another movement. It's the point where he snapped the incident
Speaker 1: he could ever come back from. Sometime around the year
Speaker 1: two thousand, Vaughn and Maria moved back to Gary. Vaughn
Speaker 1: told Detective Forward he'd returned for a family obligation. I
Speaker 1: came home because with another answer, didn't happened. I just
Speaker 1: want to know Cuss got killed. We all came home.
Speaker 1: The whole family came home. Let's just say, you said
Speaker 1: it's your cousin that got killed. Right? Why did that
Speaker 1: make everybody move home? Because who retaliation? Sound? Who was
Speaker 1: that they got killed? Trying to think what they called
Speaker 1: you don't know your cousins thinks, So I told him
Speaker 1: I'm not family orientated. I only came back because my
Speaker 1: other cousin they asked me to come back. At first,
Speaker 1: it might sound like Von's bullshitting when he says he
Speaker 1: doesn't know his cousin's name, But remember Von didn't meet
Speaker 1: any of his family until he was twelve. Still, his
Speaker 1: shaking this with these kind of details makes it hard
Speaker 1: to pin down exactly where he was at a given time.
Speaker 1: Von stepsister, Regina, says that after he graduated high school
Speaker 1: in she lost touch with him, really got close back
Speaker 1: two thousands I broke off my engagement. He stayed with
Speaker 1: me for two months. I told you know, Dally appear.
Speaker 1: He moved out. Regina says that at the time, Vaughan
Speaker 1: was unhappy with his marriage. He was thirty two then
Speaker 1: and wanted to have a kid, but his wife, Maria
Speaker 1: was now over sixty. Maria told The New York Times
Speaker 1: that this was when the relationships started to fall apart.
Speaker 1: She said, quote, I didn't want to be with him anymore.
Speaker 1: He had single friends. There were signs that he was
Speaker 1: going with somebody else, and Maria was right. Von had
Speaker 1: told his step sister that he'd met another woman, that
Speaker 1: he was in love with her, and that his wish
Speaker 1: to have a child was coming true. He had gotten
Speaker 1: his new girlfriend pregnant. Vaughn's new girlfriend was a woman
Speaker 1: named Sharita. She liked that he was smart and didn't
Speaker 1: drink or do drugs. She told The Daily Mail that
Speaker 1: his idea of a night out was going to Barnes
Speaker 1: and Noble and reading books, usually science fiction or Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: Sharita new Vaughn was married, but he and Maria were
Speaker 1: living separately at that point, and he told Sharita that
Speaker 1: he had only gotten married in the first place because
Speaker 1: he hated being alone. But as Sharita and Vaughn's relationship progressed,
Speaker 1: she learned that Vaughan had a dark side. He'd get
Speaker 1: jealous easily, he didn't want her having her own friends,
Speaker 1: and he became increasingly controlling. Sometimes he would lock her
Speaker 1: in side the house when he went to work. She
Speaker 1: said that one time, when they were visiting her mother's house,
Speaker 1: he hog tied her and covered her mouth with duct
Speaker 1: tapes so she couldn't scream. Sharita realized she had to
Speaker 1: get out of the relationship, but when she would try
Speaker 1: to end things, Von would threaten her and her mother.
Speaker 1: One night, Von made Sharifa go out on a walk
Speaker 1: with him. He took her out to a desolate part
Speaker 1: of Gary and surrounded by abandoned buildings, he told her,
Speaker 1: I could easily make you disappear. Accounts of what happened
Speaker 1: next in Von and Sharitha's relationship are hazy. I tried
Speaker 1: to reach out, but I couldn't get in contact with
Speaker 1: her and her One published interview in The Daily Mail
Speaker 1: doesn't address this point, but it appears that in two
Speaker 1: thousand four, Sharitha and Vaughan had their child, but shortly
Speaker 1: after the birth, something happened and the child died. And
Speaker 1: around this same time, Tretha escaped from the abusive relationship,
Speaker 1: left Vaughn and went into hiding. And this is where
Speaker 1: Von says he snapped. He became enraged and blamed Tretha
Speaker 1: for the child Stath because just snapped it that moment,
Speaker 1: because we allowed the child and we're going through that
Speaker 1: all morning period. She was out getting high and took
Speaker 1: my money to the dope man. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: just too bad. Damn what how like fuck if you
Speaker 1: want to funk up like this, We're just gonna get
Speaker 1: this ship over with. But we all went back out
Speaker 1: of control again. I never made him back. And once
Speaker 1: you I don't know how to flame. If y'all y'all
Speaker 1: don't have the same merger, no way for me to
Speaker 1: blame the murder rages. Once you started killing again, it
Speaker 1: becomes it's like any other day. It's like if I was.
Speaker 1: I'm not an alcoholic, but if I were and I
Speaker 1: started to drink, You're off to the races, right. That's
Speaker 1: basically because you have the urge the hunt. Some people
Speaker 1: I talked to say they don't understanding, Like I went
Speaker 1: to talk to a therapist, but he wanted too much
Speaker 1: now because he said he had to report all the primes.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, So you can't. Really it's hard.
Speaker 1: It would definitely be hard to explain your problem to
Speaker 1: somebody who had so you can't go. I need to help.
Speaker 1: What's your problems? Like killing people? He said, well, have
Speaker 1: you killed emybody? And that's when their discussion is going
Speaker 1: to get little fund next time on algorithm boost the
Speaker 1: gas fight and they had the whole build and filled
Speaker 1: with gas. I tried to take the girl on fire
Speaker 1: and being on fire and go to building up all
Speaker 1: the same kind Sometimes you went to scenario had to
Speaker 1: went different than two thousands four and maybe some people
Speaker 1: would still be alive. If you look at like police stories,
Speaker 1: the police stories are almost always told from the perspective
Speaker 1: of catching the wrong tour. My story starts, okay, you
Speaker 1: caught him, Now what you know, what's the rest of
Speaker 1: the story. I feel I should have got locked over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll beat her by right, Well, all right, standard y'all
Speaker 1: call it right, but we don't call it right. Histories
Speaker 1: like you pay here, So what is she complaining about.
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