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Speaker 1: This series contains discussions of violence and sexual violence. Listener

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Speaker 1: discretion is advised. Previously on Algorithm. Four years after Thomas

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Speaker 1: Hargrove had tried to warrant Gary, Indiana that they might

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Speaker 1: arrested Darren Vaughan. How many people are you responsible for killing?

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Speaker 1: But it is a lifetime. How couldn't even two? Vond

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Speaker 1: led investigators to six bodies? And while the m O

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Speaker 1: matched one of the patterns, Hardroup had identified young women

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Speaker 1: who had been strangled and left in abandoned buildings, none

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Speaker 1: of these victims were on Hargrove's list. They were all

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Speaker 1: more recent murders that have been committed after Hargrove sent

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Speaker 1: the letter to Gary. But in a press conference, police

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Speaker 1: mentioned that On had confessed to murders going back twenty years,

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Speaker 1: and the Hammond mayor wrote, he'd confessed to a couple

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Speaker 1: of murders into and they told Hammond police that he

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Speaker 1: had been active going back to the mid nineties, and

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Speaker 1: I would take him at his word. So it was

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Speaker 1: Vond responsible for the killings that Hargrove's algorithm had picked

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Speaker 1: up on. Where was something else going on? This episode

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Speaker 1: we explore what Bond was doing back in the nineties

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Speaker 1: from I Heeart Media and Tenderfoot TV. This is algorithm.

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Speaker 1: I'm ben Key brick. Hard Grove's algorithm had identified fifteen

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Speaker 1: homicides between and two thousand seven. The first step in

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Speaker 1: figuring out if Vaughn was responsible for these murders were

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Speaker 1: other cold cases is figuring out where he was living

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Speaker 1: and what he was doing during that period. Von told

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Speaker 1: detectives that in the early eighties he was recruited into

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Speaker 1: a gang, the Gangster Disciples, by an older boy named

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Speaker 1: Big or Big Mike. The Bond's brother, Reginald didn't buy

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Speaker 1: this story. Ok, his friend Big Mike, he likes to

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Speaker 1: talk about talk about him and Big Mike grew up

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Speaker 1: in homes together him, Big Wings. He remember him, Big Mike,

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Speaker 1: Big Bad. But nobody and my family knows Big Mike.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever seen Big Mike. You know what I'm saying is,

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Speaker 1: fictional character as far as I'm concerned. Well, the last

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Speaker 1: thing he said I was with Big Mike. He just

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Speaker 1: be like I don't know, I don't put it man,

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Speaker 1: uh fucking guy complex. He tells stories and like, you know,

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Speaker 1: back in my day, I could have sold all these drugs.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I could have been a

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Speaker 1: key opinion, isn't that? You know? Fred? You know what

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Speaker 1: telling you a little around like you want to. I know,

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Speaker 1: it's not possible, you know what I'm It's not possible

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Speaker 1: we we don't we don't know you probably like you

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Speaker 1: know your brother. Yeah, I mean, that's why we're That's

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Speaker 1: why we're here. It's just like, all right, you you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And when I talked to him,

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Speaker 1: sometimes I just started. Notice you know he does that.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We had a conversation with

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't that conversation's park Uh, we were talking

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Speaker 1: a lot of for years to let out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: All of us, I think, at some point in time,

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Speaker 1: thought that Darren would tell us some things that were

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Speaker 1: We found some people who were at Thelmbal Marshall with him,

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Speaker 1: We had to pretended him. He was always getting picked

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Speaker 1: from the organic injury or something he had convinced himself,

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Speaker 1: there were episodes in Darren's life that he remembered completely

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Speaker 1: reliable narrator of his own life, and many of his

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Speaker 1: where anyone who knew him or this big year, big

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Speaker 1: mic guy, please call and leave us a voicemail. You

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Speaker 1: how much Von's story we can trust, regardless of whether

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Speaker 1: Vaughn was soon drawn away from Gary at sixteen. He

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Speaker 1: was reunited with his mom and your mother picked you

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Speaker 1: up getting back to Okay. Von's mother was now almost

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Speaker 1: soon after Vaughan rejoined his mother, the family moved to Lima,

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Speaker 1: a small rust belt city in northwest Ohio day where

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Speaker 1: Lima might not have had gangs, but Bond's life was turbulent.

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Speaker 1: Even though his mother was older and more mature, she

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Speaker 1: mother was physically abusive. It was definitely, um abuseless. I

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Speaker 1: know she was abuseless. I know she was. We share Sidney,

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Speaker 1: these the twenty year old murders that the police and

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Speaker 1: mayor were referring to. Vaughn first all detectives about these killings.

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Speaker 1: and Hinajosa asked Vaughn whether he had any murders to

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Speaker 1: confess to that had taken place specifically in Hammond. Vaughn

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Speaker 1: where a bar had once been located. Vaughn said he'd

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Speaker 1: robbed an older couple there sometime back in the early nineties,

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Speaker 1: that it only was abandoned then. Yeah, And so these

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Speaker 1: two people, why were they in the building? I'll robin, Well,

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Speaker 1: but how did you get him there? At the ground

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Speaker 1: the point, I'll robin, because they're why used to cut

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Speaker 1: through the hilty lite used to be a way to

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Speaker 1: it was it just money. It's just money. That's all

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Speaker 1: forward and Kinajosa through his memories of the robbery turned

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Speaker 1: double homicide, Von guided detectives to an alley between Tracord

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Speaker 1: think you shot hibouree three? Do you know what caliber

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Speaker 1: just too bad. Damn what how like fuck if you

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Speaker 1: this ship over with. But we all went back out

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Speaker 1: of control again. I never made him back. And once

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Speaker 1: you I don't know how to flame. If y'all y'all

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Speaker 1: don't have the same merger, no way for me to

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Speaker 1: blame the murder rages. Once you started killing again, it

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Speaker 1: becomes it's like any other day. It's like if I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an alcoholic, but if I were and I

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Speaker 1: started to drink, You're off to the races, right. That's

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Speaker 1: basically because you have the urge the hunt. Some people

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Speaker 1: I talked to say they don't understanding, Like I went

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Speaker 1: to talk to a therapist, but he wanted too much

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Speaker 1: now because he said he had to report all the primes.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, So you can't. Really it's hard.

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Speaker 1: It would definitely be hard to explain your problem to

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Speaker 1: somebody who had so you can't go. I need to help.

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Speaker 1: What's your problems? Like killing people? He said, well, have

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Speaker 1: you killed emybody? And that's when their discussion is going

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Speaker 1: to get little fund next time on algorithm boost the

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Speaker 1: gas fight and they had the whole build and filled

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Speaker 1: with gas. I tried to take the girl on fire

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Speaker 1: and being on fire and go to building up all

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Speaker 1: the same kind Sometimes you went to scenario had to

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Speaker 1: went different than two thousands four and maybe some people

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Speaker 1: would still be alive. If you look at like police stories,

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Speaker 1: the police stories are almost always told from the perspective

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Speaker 1: of catching the wrong tour. My story starts, okay, you

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Speaker 1: caught him, Now what you know, what's the rest of

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Speaker 1: the story. I feel I should have got locked over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll beat her by right, Well, all right, standard y'all

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Speaker 1: call it right, but we don't call it right. Histories

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Speaker 1: like you pay here, So what is she complaining about.

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Speaker 1: This episode was written and produced by me Ben Keie

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Speaker 1: Brick Algorithm is executive produced by Alex Williams, Donald Albright,

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Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. Production assistance and mixing by Eric Quintana.

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Speaker 1: The music is by Makeup and Vanity Set and Blue

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Speaker 1: Dot Sessions. Thanks to Christina Dana, Miranda Hawkins, Jamie Albright,

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Speaker 1: Rima L. K Ali, Trevor Young, and Josh Thane for

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Speaker 1: their help and notes. Hey, I hope you're continuing to

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Speaker 1: Darren Vond or crimes that you think might be related

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