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Speaker 1: Hello, tex Sins. Welcome to the show. Mark Vandermaer and

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Speaker 1: John Harris with you. Happy Thursday evening. As since it's Thursday,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while, but we'll catch up with him

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Speaker 1: right now. The General John McClain steps in and we're

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Speaker 1: here on the hun Day Texans Radio studio. John on

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Speaker 1: the line, General, good evening, we've missed you.

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Speaker 2: How's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's going great. I've been having a blast going around

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Speaker 3: the state working on our preview Inner Scholastic League documentary

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Speaker 3: Football Before Integration in Texas, and it's been a blast,

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Speaker 3: and I've been following everything on the Texans. Of course,

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Speaker 3: all the great things you guys said from the league meetings.

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Speaker 3: I always like the league meetings because of all the

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Speaker 3: events that we go to, that is the most relaxed.

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Speaker 4: All right, John, we're gonna get into some Texans stuff,

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Speaker 4: but we got to ask you about the documentary that

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Speaker 4: you've been working on. How much of the PVIIL documentary

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Speaker 4: is stuff that you already knew but you're.

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Speaker 2: Just getting people to talk about it.

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Speaker 4: How much of it is just completely Holy cow, I

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Speaker 4: didn't know that information. When you sit down an interview

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Speaker 4: with these coaches and figures in your documentary.

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Speaker 3: John, We started that about five or six months ago,

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Speaker 3: and almost everything is the latter that I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I knew what the preiview Leers scholastically was.

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Speaker 3: It was the all black division compared to the UIO,

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Speaker 3: and I know they integrated in the mid sixties. When

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court handed down the ending of desegregation in

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Speaker 3: nineteen fifty four, in Texas and other states in the

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Speaker 3: South were very slow to react. But some of the

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Speaker 3: things we've been doing. Rob Blanche, a good friend of mine,

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Speaker 3: one of the producers, has done a fabulous job getting

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Speaker 3: pictures from high schools, colleges and the things that the

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Speaker 3: date of Texas went through to keep from to having

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Speaker 3: to integrate. Abilene built a nice school for black students

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Speaker 3: to keep them out of the white schools even though

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Speaker 3: they were supposed to. And Mansville up south of Fort Worth,

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Speaker 3: they hung black dummies hung with a noose around their

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Speaker 3: neck to the entrance to the school to try to

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Speaker 3: encourage black students not to come. Brought out the Texas

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Speaker 3: Rangers and we went to Lubbock last week and interviewed

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Speaker 3: a ninety seven year old head coach who led Corpus

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Speaker 3: Christy Miller, featuring running back Johnny Rowland to the first

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Speaker 3: integrated state championship in our state's history nineteen sixty over

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Speaker 3: witchdol Falls at Baylor Stadium, and he said their toughest

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Speaker 3: game was in the semifinals when they played a school

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Speaker 3: in which they built their whole offensive game plan about

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Speaker 3: trying to beat this defensive lineman who was small but

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Speaker 3: so quick and disruptive, and they beat Porter Arthur and

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Johnson six to zero to move into the state

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Speaker 3: championship game.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome, Jimmy Johns, Janice Joplin's high school classmate.

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Speaker 2: That is just great trivia, right that.

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Speaker 3: So we're learning all kinds of things. It all started

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Speaker 3: I wanted to do the Southwest Conference and Rob Lynch said, well,

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Speaker 3: what about the previewwenter scholastically because he had been talking

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Speaker 3: And when Rob told me, I said, really that that happened.

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Speaker 3: So it really got my interest in but Rob Lynch's

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Speaker 3: idea and now it's a labor of love and we're

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Speaker 3: hoping to have it out in February would be the

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Speaker 3: sixty year anniversary of LBJ signing the Civil Rights Actor,

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Speaker 3: which meantthew UIL absorbed the pv I L. And we're

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Speaker 3: open to talk to lbj's daughter, Lucy Bains Johnson and

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Speaker 3: of Texas.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait till it's done, can't wait to watch it,

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Speaker 1: John McLean joining us. All Right, two weeks from tonight,

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Speaker 1: the Texans make their pick in the first round twenty

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Speaker 1: fifth or do they trade John? Are they going to

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Speaker 3: Well, we know Nick ca Serio is gonna make trades.

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Speaker 3: Whether he trades up or down, I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: I think they still need another cornerstone offensive lineman, and

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Speaker 3: there should be quite a few available at that point.

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Speaker 3: I think you can get receivers in the other round.

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Speaker 3: They've got depth in their defensive line and I and

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Speaker 3: if we are Dimiko Ryant say the games are one

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Speaker 3: and they have much more. They have more talent and

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Speaker 3: think they will still take aligneman. I'd love to see

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Speaker 3: He thinks he'd still get one moving down. So maybe

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Speaker 3: another team gets back in to take a quarterback they like,

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Speaker 3: like maybe Jackson Dart. I'm all for that too. All

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Speaker 4: Yeah I did. It did not turn out too shabby.

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Speaker 4: Kamari Lassler, Blake Fisher, Kaylen Bullock catched over. Those are

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Speaker 4: the four picks in a row, and they were fantastic

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Speaker 2: Will see what they do in year two. General, I

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Speaker 2: think you're right.

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Speaker 4: I do think and when I do my final mock soon,

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Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna end up putting an offensive lineman

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Speaker 4: in the second round if they moved up for a pick.

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Speaker 4: What do you think would make more sense to move

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Speaker 3: They have much more depth in the interior defensive line

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Speaker 3: say a receiver is not a great draft for receivers,

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Speaker 3: And if they did take one in the first round,

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Speaker 3: I wish it'd be a Mecca Muca since he and

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Speaker 3: Strib played together at Ohio State and he had his

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Speaker 3: best season playing with CJ's drive. But I could see

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Speaker 3: them trading up in the second round, not giving up

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing out of those seven, they'll trade three of them.

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Speaker 3: But I would like to see him get that wide

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Speaker 3: Got two third round picks, take a defense interior defensive

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Speaker 3: tackle there. I just think that would be more ideal.

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Speaker 3: You need more in the line because let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: the laeman they have signed and traded for wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: time Cam Robinson's played a full season in like forever.

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Speaker 3: And he had the most penalties, he said, since twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: but it's still ten fewer than Lermie Tunsil had nine

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Speaker 3: I do think, and I do think maybe that guy's

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Speaker 3: disagree with me. I still see some people saying Titus

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Speaker 3: He played there better there last year than he did

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Speaker 3: at tackle, and they didn't draft Blake Fisher in the

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Speaker 3: he got some valuable experience. So I think going in

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Speaker 3: hadn't been any noise about him at all, and I'm

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Speaker 3: guessing he's one of those guys who signed right before camp.

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Speaker 3: darn good job here two years ago being signed in

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Speaker 3: training camp. But to me, I love the fact they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was gonna ask you about that, General,

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Speaker 1: because barring one of these draft choices turning into a

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Speaker 1: they all do, the story of this offseason is going

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Speaker 1: to be that it's going to be the year they

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Speaker 1: blew up the offensive line and really started over, not

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Speaker 1: completely over, but by and large with that position group

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Speaker 1: to get better results. And now that a few weeks

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Speaker 1: surprised they did it? What was your general reaction, General,

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Speaker 1: And what do you think is going to happen as

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Speaker 3: Greatest mystery, and we've talked about this before, is how

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, with a lot of injuries in

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Speaker 3: it did last season? What did opponents discover besides stunts

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Speaker 3: reason Bobby Slowan got fired is he didn't adjust with

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Speaker 3: And the coach that's under the most pressures not Demiko

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Speaker 3: That's right. And they need stability in the coaching staff

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Speaker 3: So Pavovich is under the most pressure to me of

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Speaker 3: they're trying. That's the key. At Least they're making moves.

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Speaker 3: They've given themselves depth, they've got experience, but they still

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Speaker 3: in the second round. That's why I like Johnath think

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Speaker 3: it'll be an offensive lineman in the first round. Don't

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Speaker 3: know who, John, let me ask you about something. If

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Speaker 3: but you know what it is. When guys blow out

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Speaker 4: I think Simmons is the most and the best natural

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Speaker 4: He actually has got a desire to block in the

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Speaker 4: run game. But you watch a movie like Man, that's

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Speaker 4: the way a tackle is supposed to look. My only reservation, John,

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Speaker 2: Real high on him. That would be my only reservation.

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Speaker 4: What I see on the field, Josh Simmons would be

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Speaker 4: that guy my hairris one hundred. I think I have

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Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, you hear things and you know where

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, and I think Josh's got a little bit

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Speaker 3: He was second on the team in tackles. He played

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: He came back, he flashed, then they put him on

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Speaker 1: Maybe Christian's not healthy right now. Who knows what the

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Speaker 1: General Trevor Lawrence pitch count OTAs oh, my left shoulder

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Speaker 1: but you never know. I don't want bad things to

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Speaker 3: Liam Cohen is the new coach there. When he was

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Speaker 3: Everybody was talking about him first round next year. Then

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Speaker 3: to take cam Ward and I think Cohen, based on

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Speaker 3: that's not good for the rest of the AFC South

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Speaker 3: because he may have the effect on Lawrence. That's say,

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Speaker 3: who's the coach that went to Tampa's now they head

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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield. So if you get a good offensive coach,

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Speaker 3: that's not good for your other opponents. If Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 3: It is his left shoulder, not his throwing shoulder. But

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Speaker 3: I think Lawrence has his best chance to be successful

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Speaker 4: Okay, this one's for both of you. Okay, stay with

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Speaker 2: Wasn't looking for this.

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Speaker 4: It just popped up on my timeline and it was

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Speaker 4: I think it was the Browns and the Giants. Sitting

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Speaker 4: forth on that odds list was the Indianapolis Colts. In

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Speaker 4: your wildest imagination, could you see the Colts general you

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Speaker 4: go first? Could you see the Colts drafting Shador Sanders

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, but it would certainly be interesting to see

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Speaker 3: a team have three quarterbacks drafted. Let's see fourth, sixth,

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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson. That's telling everybody you've totally given up on him.

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Speaker 3: I think the most likely would be New Orleans, although

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Speaker 3: I think we're gonna be surprised. I think somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they'd do it, Johnny, because that's

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Speaker 1: just throwing more money. It's not money, it's draft capital

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Speaker 1: at a problem where you don't have an apparent solution

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Speaker 1: of Shador Sanders is not the guy. If it was

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Speaker 1: cam Ward available the number one overall pick, maybe they

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Speaker 4: And maybe if they had a number one overall pick,

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Speaker 4: they probably wouldn't have signed Daniel Georges or they would

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Speaker 1: Right, So they can't afford to do that. However, if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work with this competition between Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 1: we go back to that salty veteran. Let's get Matt Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Do we draft a guy again? What are they gonna

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Speaker 3: They will draft a quarterback next year in the first

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Speaker 2: Chris Ballard.

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Speaker 3: Chris Ballard will get fired, Yeah, because of how bad

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Speaker 3: I's the fan base of the Browns, I don't care

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Speaker 3: if they get Travis Hunter or Abdell Carter. Going into

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Speaker 3: just make me want to vomit. And they're gonna need

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Speaker 3: He'll get He'll be a free agent this time next

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Speaker 3: for like a million a year. He'll get another chance

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Speaker 4: How about Kirk Cousins going to Cleveland And oh, by

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Speaker 4: the way, do you know who the number one rated

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Speaker 4: name is Arch Manning.

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Speaker 2: One year.

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Speaker 3: Think he's coming out after one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody said there was a PFF had an article

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Speaker 3: His name was Arch Smith. Would that be the case?

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Speaker 2: Of course?

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Speaker 3: Not how much if they've seen of him, of course that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all projection. He's played. I think he

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Speaker 3: He's the greatest. If he's that great quarterback, a generational

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Speaker 3: would Steve Sargezan have been playing gwin yours? If he's

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Speaker 2: Oh, but you're yours saying about this.

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Speaker 3: The cop in the Big Man of Text Tech got

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Speaker 3: four million to go back for one year to Texas Tech.

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Speaker 3: And basketball players can get that, how much can quarterbacks get?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I guarantee your arch Maakes makes a little bit. I

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Speaker 4: just wanted to see Mark's face. If the Colts drafted

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Speaker 1: Don't do it, Johnny, That's why I did it.

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Speaker 2: Don't do that to me.

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Speaker 3: Should it be something? If the Browns were so bad

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you Archie and Peyton and Cooper and Eli

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Speaker 1: General other than Otto Graham. Who's the best quarterback in

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Speaker 2: A lot of people from Bernie Gozar Bernie. Yeah, Bernie,

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Speaker 3: Bernie is the most popular quarterback there's ever been up there,

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Speaker 3: including now. Not only did he want to play in

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Speaker 3: He goes, well, the best thing about is I don't

435
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Speaker 3: have to make any more road trips there. Bernie wanted

436
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Speaker 3: to go there. He's always lived there. He is the

437
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Speaker 3: most revered quarterback in that franchise's history.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think Kirk Cousins is in play for them.

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Speaker 2: I've kind of heard a little rumblings about that. Now.

440
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Speaker 4: I don't know how they would make the money work

441
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 4: and all that kind I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But I can't figure out what would what would Atlanta

443
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Speaker 3: do for a backup because there's a chance Pennis is

444
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: not going to be starting all seventeen games and they're

445
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Speaker 3: gonna have to have somebody else, and uh, they've already

446
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Speaker 3: paid him all the money. They don't need to trade

447
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Speaker 3: him for money. So if i'm them, I'm sticking with

448
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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins because they're not gonna get much for him

449
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Speaker 3: if they do it, but Cleveland would be the likely

450
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Speaker 3: spot to go for him to go, since we all

451
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Speaker 3: think Rogers is going to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: I got your backup right here, Ryan Tannehill, he's off,

453
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Speaker 2: he's out of the lead.

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Speaker 1: Johnnie, Yeah, made so much money sit on the couch

455
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Speaker 1: eating Pope him.

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Speaker 3: Talked to him last year and he just wasn't interested. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I am talked to him this offseason, just not interested.

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Speaker 1: I think if he wanted a job, he could get

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Speaker 1: a job, certainly as a backup. So Cousins would be

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Speaker 1: a very expensive backup in Atlanta general. Speaking of backups,

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Speaker 1: Joe Milton traded from the Patriots to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: I was a little surprised about this.

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Speaker 1: I also thought maybe Milton could fetch more because I

464
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Speaker 1: think Milton, it's not like he's got NFL pelts, but

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Speaker 1: he kind of semi proved himself in some limited action

466
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Speaker 1: with New England last next year did and I was

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Speaker 1: kept him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because the Hoves are Drake May's not going

469
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Speaker 3: to play seventeen games and they signed Josh with Dobbs

470
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Speaker 3: who bounces around the league like a pinball. I would

471
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Speaker 3: have kept melting because everybody's oozing eyes about his arm.

472
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Speaker 3: See if he got any more playing time, look good?

473
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Speaker 3: Then try to trade him for more. But you get it.

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Speaker 3: You draft him in the sixth and you get a

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Speaker 3: fifth and Cowboys gave up a four for Trey Lance.

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Speaker 3: That didn't work. I'd like to be Trey Lance's agent.

477
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Speaker 3: He must be making a nice cut the way that

478
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Speaker 3: guy keeps getting jobs without doing Jack Squad.

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Speaker 1: Boy doesn't Lance and some of these other guys don't.

480
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Speaker 1: They need a shot at the UFL or something. They

481
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Speaker 1: need to play football. Lance needs to actually play football. Yeah,

482
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Speaker 1: he needs to play the game. Didn't play it enough

483
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Speaker 1: in college.

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Speaker 3: Why he's got a contract where he can make up

485
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Speaker 3: to six million bucks.

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Speaker 1: Well even for him, that's fine, But if you want

487
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Speaker 1: to develop a guy, it gets to be a little tough.

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Speaker 1: There's no NFL Europe anymore. We all know that. Back

489
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Speaker 1: to the Melton thing, though, buzz around New England is

490
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Speaker 1: that Milton might have a little grassroots following and that

491
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Speaker 1: might put too much heat on May, and Vrabel wanted

492
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Speaker 1: to know part of it. Make May the unquestionable starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback thoughts.

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Speaker 3: You worry about. One of the greatest examples of this

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Speaker 3: was Kirk Cousins and RG three and before that both

496
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Speaker 3: of them in Washington when he Heath Shooler was like

497
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Speaker 3: the fifth pick and Gus Faroot seventh round. Farright looked

498
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Speaker 3: better in preseason Sonny Jergensen on the broadcast said, I

499
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: think Fara should be starting over Schuler. It was a

500
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 3: huge quarterback controversy. Schuler couldn't handle it and he ended

501
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: up as an attorney in politics and talk shows. And then,

502
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Speaker 3: of course RG three is Rookie of the Year and

503
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Speaker 3: then he gets hurt and Cousins plays and plays better,

504
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Speaker 3: and even though they did everything they could to help

505
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: RG three come back get the job, he was never

506
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Speaker 3: the same. But the fan base after that rookie year

507
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: turned on him and they Kirk Cousins, So maybe there's

508
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: something to that. Like Cleveland, after the Texans just annihilated

509
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: them in the playoffs, they should have resigned Joe Flacco,

510
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: but they didn't want fans chanting we want Joe or

511
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: flag co Flacoh every time watching through an incompletion or

512
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 3: an interception that was bad for the team. Considering watching

513
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 3: didn't do anything, but Flacco was better for that franchise

514
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Speaker 3: than he has been in recent years since he left Baltimore,

515
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Speaker 3: So there's something to it. That's why you usually want

516
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: a young guy with a seasoned veteran who knows his role,

517
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Speaker 3: like Andy Dalton has played in multiple teams since he

518
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: left Cincinnati, and that's why he's got a multi year

519
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: deal with Carolina to mentor Bryce Young. And he loves

520
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: that role. He embouses and the fans and the coaches

521
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: appreciate that. So I could certainly believe that mark that

522
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Speaker 3: that's why they traded Melton.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so once for both of y'all.

524
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Speaker 4: Okay, higher number or more starts in twenty twenty five,

525
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh, Schador Sanders and New Orleans.

526
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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh.

527
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Speaker 2: You think that's gonna happen? Yeah, yes, I do.

528
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Speaker 3: And I think he'll be the starter. You know, he's

529
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: never had injuries other than that major one two seasons ago,

530
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Speaker 3: and he's got a lot to prove. He's got a

531
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Speaker 3: team that can run the ball, he's got a team

532
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Speaker 3: that's got receivers. I just don't understand what the holdup.

533
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: Is Mark, I would say definitely Aaron Rodgers. Okay, because

534
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: Sanders left somebody in front of him named Derek Carr.

535
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Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes.

536
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: Go me a diet coke when Shouder starts all seventeen

537
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Speaker 4: games for the Saints.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go, let's go. We'll see how that works out.

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00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: Anyway, General, thanks so much for being with us. As always,

540
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: we appreciate the time.

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Speaker 3: Guys, is my pleasure. Thank you very much as always.

542
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Speaker 1: All right, coming up, who's better We've got? Draft choice

543
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Speaker 1: is quarterbacks, vintage quarterbacks. It's all coming up here on

544
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Speaker 1: Texans Radio. All right, back to it here on Texans Radio.

545
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Mark Vandermaer and John Harris with you. Great to have

546
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: you along for the ride as we are cooking draft

547
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: in two weeks. Opening night at Avenidas will be down

548
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: there and right in front of the Georgie R. Brown

549
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: Convention Center. In fact, I think we're kind of shaded

550
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: by the George R. Brown Convention Center.

551
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: That's nice. Yeah, we got a little shade.

552
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: I think I think it works out pretty well for us,

553
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: as we'll have the main stage. That sounds weird to

554
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: say it that way, but there's a big stage. There's

555
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff going on. I'm sure Cecil will

556
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: be down there in some capacity. I know some things

557
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: about the draft party. I'll share more as we get

558
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Speaker 1: closer to it.

559
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Speaker 4: Okay, Ticella, we're like the side like the side stage,

560
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 4: we're like raging the machine used to go, like to

561
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: become big, you know, forgetting to the main stage.

562
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Speaker 1: I think, well, look, when we first moved this thing

563
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: to Miller Outdoor Theater, it was different, right, there was

564
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Speaker 1: one big stage. So we had to make the decision

565
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Speaker 1: what are we gonna do about the radio show because

566
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Speaker 1: the radio show is a big part of the drafts

567
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Speaker 1: for In fact, that's the shot that everybody wanted to

568
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Speaker 1: get the reaction. You remember, you know, all the cameras

569
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Speaker 1: would line up around us because the draft party was

570
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: around West Club and then we moved to the first

571
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Speaker 1: level concourse one time in the East Club.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to give the whole history.

573
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: Here, but people would gather around the radio stage to

574
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Speaker 1: get the pick, and all the local TV cameras would

575
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Speaker 1: be there. Boom, I want to get the fan reaction shot. Well,

576
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Speaker 1: and that was a tradition when we moved to Miller

577
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Speaker 1: outdoor theater. Well, you're gonna get the shot from the stage, right,

578
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Speaker 1: And we thought about doing the radio show on stage,

579
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: but it was kind of weird because then everyone's sitting

580
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Speaker 1: in the seats watching us just drone on. I mean,

581
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Speaker 1: we're not droning. We're talking there all this conversation, but

582
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Speaker 1: it's just it's a radio thing. It's more audio. And

583
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Speaker 1: it's cool to, you know, see our fans and they

584
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: get a glimpse of us and all that. But I

585
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to hang out there all

586
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Speaker 1: night and watching us on a big stage right right,

587
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Speaker 1: put on a show for the fans like during the breaks,

588
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Speaker 1: they have all this entertainment.

589
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Speaker 2: It's really cool.

590
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Speaker 1: So we thought about just having us do the show

591
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: on stage, but they won't hear us, and I thought

592
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: that's stupid. Put us in another area. That way, the

593
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: people want to watch us can watch us. The people

594
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Speaker 1: want to watch the stage can watch the stage. And

595
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Speaker 1: that's how we do it at Evenita's Houston. So it's

596
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: really cool. We'll be there two weeks from tonight, Friday

597
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: and Saturday. Of course we're gonna be on the air

598
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: the whole draft, but we're in the Hyundai Texans radio studio,

599
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: everyone asks me.

600
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: And for a good reason, are you going to the draft?

601
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: I get that question and you get that question two

602
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: a lot. But the draft, as I've said many times,

603
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: it's just shipping the podium around the country to different

604
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: cities with a big crowd and the commissioner and some players.

605
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: That's it. That's all it is.

606
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: The draft goes on in the buildings around the league

607
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: where the general managers, coaches, all their staffs are making

608
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: the selections and they send in the card.

609
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: Right card.

610
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Speaker 4: Well, when green Bay got the draft, yeah, I got

611
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: this excited text from your parents, from my parents, from

612
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Speaker 4: my mom.

613
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, the draft is coming to Green Bay.

614
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Speaker 2: This is great.

615
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Speaker 4: We'll see, I said, Mom, How many years have you

616
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Speaker 4: even listening to the draft? In fact, I did the

617
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Speaker 4: math today. I was like, man, I've done seventeen draft shows. No,

618
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Speaker 4: this will be my This will be my seventeenth. No

619
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Speaker 4: about done seventeen with us?

620
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well no, just in total, because I started two

621
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Speaker 2: thousand and eight.

622
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Speaker 4: Dwayne Brown was my first one, and so I was like, Mom,

623
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Speaker 4: when have I ever gone out of town to do

624
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Speaker 4: the draft? I do the draft here because we do

625
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Speaker 4: the draft here. So she started giving me like everything

626
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: that's going on in Green Bay. She said, people are

627
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: airbnbing their places up in Green Bay and oh yeah.

628
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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five thousand dollars for the week. I've heard.

629
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Speaker 1: I've heard because it's a friend of mine roof at

630
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Speaker 1: where I work out. He doesn't play basketball, but we

631
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Speaker 1: see each other in the locker room. He's a huge

632
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: Packer fan, goes up for a lot of games.

633
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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 1: I tried to get there, but there's no way you

635
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Speaker 1: cannot get, not a chance. Every hotel room with everything

636
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Speaker 1: whatever is airbnbs are like through the roof. Yeah, I

637
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: mean through the roof. It's it's incredible. And I've seen

638
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: the layout and we've been to Lambeau a few times.

639
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: The layout looks awesome. I'll bet it does. But when

640
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: you start getting everybody going through those those little streets,

641
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: those little streets, yeah, no, it's the.

642
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Speaker 2: Green Bays brace. And I've told this to people.

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Speaker 1: I think it's almost better to go almost better to

644
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Speaker 1: go there than the Pro Football Hall of Fame, because

645
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: it's right, the Packer Hall of Fame is the history

646
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: of the league. I mean, you're getting a big slice

647
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Speaker 1: of it, and an NFL team actually plays there, you know,

648
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: So there's something about that. Now, there's nothing like your

649
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: own guy getting in, like Andre Johnson for right last year.

650
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Speaker 1: But if you talk to Bears fans, a Bear gets

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame every two three years, it

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Speaker 1: feels like we've been here a lot, you know. For

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Speaker 1: US Texans, this was monumental and the next one will

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Speaker 1: be as well. Anyway, let's do who's better? All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go here. We go in no particular order. Better

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Speaker 1: pick Johnny for the Texans, A Mecca Abuka or I'm

657
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Speaker 1: gonna go with another alignment, Graysabel Greysabel or a Mecca Abuka.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take your boy Booker here because I

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Speaker 1: know you'd probably say Booker over Abuca.

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Speaker 2: But to Booker over both, I've got Booker. Oh man.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember where I had Booker in my

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Speaker 4: Harris one hundred. I'm a big fan of Booker. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I was actually studying him this morning watching the South

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Speaker 4: Carolina game because South Carolina has got some dudes on

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Speaker 4: their front and so I wanted to get kind of

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Speaker 4: a look at that. So I'm a bigger Booker fan

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Speaker 4: than probably a lot of people. I Booker was the

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Speaker 4: guy that I kind of earmarked a long time ago

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Speaker 4: as the number one guard.

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Speaker 2: I like him as the number one guard.

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Speaker 4: That's where I'm going with him in my Harris one

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Speaker 4: hundred Footballtaker dot Com. Come check it out. I've got

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Speaker 4: Booker at number twenty five. Now I've got a Buka

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Speaker 4: a couple picks ahead. So by my numbers, I probably

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Speaker 4: would take a Buka. But I think you can flip

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Speaker 4: a coin on a Buka and Booker and you'd be You'd.

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Speaker 2: Be Okay or Booker.

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Speaker 4: I would a Mecca, a Mecca, Buka and Booker, I

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Speaker 4: could flip a coin, I think I would take either

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Speaker 4: one of them over Zabel.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Now I like Zabel. I like him a lot

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Speaker 2: because I think Zabel has got He's.

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Speaker 4: Got toughness, he's got grit.

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Speaker 2: He's very athletic and.

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Speaker 4: Almost a thirty seven inch vertical lead as a guy

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Speaker 4: that played tackle in college.

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Speaker 2: Elson plays some guard, but his techniques kind of all

688
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Speaker 2: over the place.

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Speaker 4: But at the Senior Bowl, what I liked a lot

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Speaker 4: about him was how he transitioned to guard and didn't

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Speaker 4: get overwhelmed at all. In fact, it looked like he

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Speaker 4: had been playing guard for a long time. So I've

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Speaker 4: got Zabel a little bit further down the Harrison one hundred.

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Speaker 4: But I understand why Zabel makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's played some tackle. I mean, shoot, if

696
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 4: you got a pinch, you can move him out to tackle.

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Speaker 4: The Colts have used Braiden Smith a tackle, and everybody

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Speaker 4: thought he was going to be a guard too.

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Speaker 2: By the way, did you see that story about Braden Smith.

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Speaker 2: I felt for him. I did too.

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Speaker 4: My heart goes out to him going through that. But

702
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: our football perspective, Braiden Smith was going to be a guard.

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Speaker 4: The Colts have yet to play him a day at guard.

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Speaker 4: He stayed at tackle, So maybe he's able stays at tackle.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I do think guard center is

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Speaker 4: probably his best fit. But I would take a Buka

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Speaker 4: Booker than's Abel. Okay, because I wanted to ask you

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Speaker 4: it this way.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to get that great offensive lineman that

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Speaker 1: you seek later on and later on could be on

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Speaker 1: the second round to trade up, or do you feel

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Speaker 1: better about I'm going to get a good receiver later on,

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Speaker 1: meaning second round or beyond.

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Speaker 2: And I gotta take Booker right here.

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Speaker 1: If you have the option at both, that's a real

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Speaker 1: difficult call right there. Probably a subject for a longer segment.

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Speaker 4: So I kind of have all these scenarios going in

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Speaker 4: my head, and I have said, look, wide receiver eight

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Speaker 4: nine ten is better than interior offensive lineman eight nine ten.

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Speaker 2: So would it behoove me to take Booker?

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Speaker 4: And then Kyle Williams from Washington State, who I love

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Speaker 4: has been one of my favorites for a while. I

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Speaker 4: love Kyle Williams, like that would be a great offensive

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Speaker 4: lineman wide.

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Speaker 2: Receiver, Like I like that.

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Speaker 4: If I take Abuka in the first, then what offensive

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Speaker 4: lineman am.

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Speaker 2: I taking at fifty eight?

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Speaker 4: Because because more than likely Jnava Jackson Sable Booker throw

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Speaker 4: off the board. So and all of a sudden, I've

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Speaker 4: gone to inter your offensive lineman four five whoo man.

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Speaker 4: And so I do think from that perspective, I probably

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Speaker 4: feel better about getting my lineman there and then getting

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Speaker 4: a very capable wide receiver at that second round. Because

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Speaker 4: you've got the two IRI State guys in Jalen Knowle

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Speaker 4: and Jayden Higgins, You've got Kyle Williams, you got Savian

737
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Speaker 4: Williams from TCU, Who's an absolute dude. This guy Wow

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Speaker 4: six three two twenty seven ran four to four and

739
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Speaker 4: he had fifty one carries as a running back last

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Speaker 4: year at TCU.

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Speaker 1: This is interesting for me. I'm starting to root for

742
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Speaker 1: Booker being there. I like a booka Yeah, I'm starting

743
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Speaker 1: to root for Booker being there and Booker being a Texan.

744
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: So I don't want to fall in love with anybody

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Speaker 1: pre draft because this is just stupid because it never

746
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: works that well, not never, but it seldom works out

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Speaker 1: the way you think it should.

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Speaker 4: Well, remember yesterday I said the two Vonte mc no

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Speaker 4: matter what's to me? Yeah, they are Tyler Booker and

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Speaker 4: Matthew Golden. Okay, Like if one of those.

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Speaker 1: Two is at twenty five and I know they're both there, Johnny, Oh,

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Speaker 1: now tomorrow's show, we got it already. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: done tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Call man, That's a really tough call because out of

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Speaker 4: a shoot tomorrow, I love Booker. I really love Booker.

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Speaker 4: That would be that would be hard to turn Booker away,

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Speaker 4: to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the next Who's better here more

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Speaker 1: draft related stuff? Will Howard Johnny says he's the best

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Speaker 1: quarterback in this draft. Who's better Will Howard or Shadure Sanders.

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Speaker 1: You got to take somebody. Let's say you're picking fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: you're on Team X and you're the GM, and you

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Speaker 1: got both those guys in the crosshairs here. So Ward

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Speaker 1: has already gone and Dart is gone too. You can't

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Speaker 1: enter him into this conversation like him and you really

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Speaker 1: want a quarterback. Let's let's move it down to, like say,

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Speaker 1: pick number twenty, so it's not embarrassing that you take

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Speaker 1: Howard this high. Howard says he's the best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: this draft. I like your confidence.

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Speaker 2: He might not be. Yeah, but Howard or Sanders go.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably take you.

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Speaker 4: Shad I think SoRs got more passing acumen, throws a

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: little bit more touch, a little more accurate. You know,

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Speaker 4: Will struggle throwing the wall. Kansas State got to Ohio

775
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Speaker 4: State and magically had a Mecca Buca and Jeremiah Smith

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Speaker 4: and oh my god, look at Will Howard's really good.

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Speaker 4: Well look at you guys. He's don't to but he

778
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 4: was inconsistent. I thought throughout the year he made some

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Speaker 4: questionable decisions. The end of the Oregon game in the

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Speaker 4: regular season, Like, what was he doing the Michigan game.

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Speaker 4: He melted down at the end of the game when

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Speaker 4: when Ohio State needed to drive. So I think I

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Speaker 4: would take Sanders. I think if Will was a little

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Speaker 4: bit better, if he's a little bit more accomplished throwing

785
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Speaker 4: the football consistently, I would feel more confident about saying it.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know that he's gotten there. I've said

787
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Speaker 4: this before. I don't love these quarterbacks. I really don't.

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Speaker 4: I have cam Ward at number ten, and I have

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Speaker 4: Jackson Dart at twenty eight and should do at thirty

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Speaker 4: in my Harris one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

792
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Speaker 4: And I've not had first round quarterbacks lower than fifteen

793
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Speaker 4: for the most part.

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Speaker 2: So I just I don't know where was Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 4: I had him at twenty seven, twenty seven to twenty eight,

796
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Speaker 4: and he was the highest rate of that group.

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Speaker 2: He was the highest rated. Because you have Matt Crall

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Speaker 2: and Malik Willis.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's trying to talk to themselves into them like I

800
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Speaker 4: don't see it, but you know, I just don't love

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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks of this group, including Will Howard.

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Speaker 2: I don't love it.

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Speaker 4: I love the confidence, I love it and I think

804
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Speaker 4: that's gonna help him going forward. But I think i'd

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Speaker 4: like to see Will get in a spot where like

806
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Speaker 4: with Shane Steichen, where a guy understands how to use

807
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Speaker 4: him in the run game, a little mix, mix it in,

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Speaker 4: but give him play action throws.

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Speaker 2: He's got a good strong army's good build.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know that he is a complete quarterback

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Speaker 4: that I would like to throw my weight around.

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Speaker 2: I'll go shoudu on that one, all right.

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Speaker 1: I got one more quick one for you. Who's better

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Speaker 1: better career? Caleb Williams or cam Ward? Who's gonna have

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Speaker 1: a better career? Caleb Williams, he's already a year in.

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Speaker 2: Cam Ward, who's.

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Speaker 1: Going to be the number one pick in this draft

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Speaker 1: going to Tennessee. I'm gonna old Kayleb Williams.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna trust my scouting from a couple

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00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: of years ago and a few years ago about what

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Speaker 4: Caleb can do. That if Caleb can start hitting the

822
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Speaker 4: singles consistently, he's gonna be able to hit the grand slams.

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Speaker 4: I think cam eventually will struggle trying to make some

824
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Speaker 4: of the plays he made in college. Whereas I think

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00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: Caleb can get himself out of some things. Cam can too,

826
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Speaker 4: but I think Caleb just does it at a higher level.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, I thought in college Caleb was a much

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Speaker 4: better decision maker than Camp.

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Speaker 2: Like there are times Cam throws a ball and you're like,

830
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Speaker 2: what are you doing? Where's he going?

831
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Speaker 4: So I do think Camp still has to get over that.

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Speaker 4: Whenever we play Cam, he's gonna throw an interception, It's

833
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 4: gonna happen because he's just gonna make a decision where

834
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Speaker 4: you're like.

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Speaker 2: What why that happens?

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Speaker 4: He does some other kind of wacky things. I think

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Speaker 4: once Caleb settles down and just plays his game. Now

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Speaker 4: with Ben Johnson, I think Caleb's gonna be trouble for.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people. Yeah, Ben Johnson, I think is

840
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: a big fact. He there up.

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Speaker 1: Liam Cone said he's doing this with Trevor Lawrence. How's

842
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: that gonna work? What is this? And it has nothing

843
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: to do with his injury. It's all coming up among

844
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: other things on Texans Radio.

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00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: All right, our.

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00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: Final segment tonight, and we've been quarterback heavy, but look,

847
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: it's the most important position on the football team. And

848
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: we haven't even mentioned CJ tonight. But We've been talking

849
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: about other quarterbacks, but it's another reminder Sale it's just

850
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: so nice to have a quarterback. It's just so nice,

851
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: and especially the way his last performance at home went

852
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: with the fine performance against the Chargers, and you're thinking, okay, good,

853
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Speaker 1: good good, let's get ready for twenty twenty five and

854
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: be sharp and be awesome.

855
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: And you know they're working on it.

856
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: Nick Cayley and crew grinding away, coming up with new

857
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: x's and o's, trying to run the football revamped oh line.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to it all.

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Speaker 1: But Johnny, the competition in the division, we talk about

860
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: it all the time. We talked about the cults. Earlier

861
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Speaker 1: tonight we mentioned that Trevor Lawrence is going to be

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Speaker 1: on a pitch count for OTAs. But this also came up,

863
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Speaker 1: this little nugget, Liam Kohane want to work with Trevor's footwork.

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00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna tweak his footwork. Oh and look, this kind

865
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Speaker 1: of stuff happens all the time. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: blow this out of proportion, but if I'm Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: if I'm the Jags, I have mixed feelings about hearing

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Speaker 1: this because I'm thinking, on one hand, all right, that's good.

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Speaker 2: That'll improve him. Maybe.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, what are we doing here? This

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Speaker 1: is year five? Are we gonna be okay? Is this

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Speaker 1: really the end? The beginning of the end or maybe

873
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Speaker 1: midway through the end for Trevor Lawrence? What are you thinking?

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Speaker 2: I think this is gonna tell us a lot.

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Speaker 4: I think about Josh Allen and I watched this segment

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Speaker 4: in NFL Films Presents this offseason and it was about

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Speaker 4: the mechanics of throwing and they had Jason Garrett go

878
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: to all these different throwing gurus and quarterbacks and such

879
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: an Josh Allen, after his rookie year, had realized, I.

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Speaker 2: Can't continue throwing this way at the end of the year.

881
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: My arm is just ugh.

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Speaker 4: And so he changed changed his mechanics on throwing the

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Speaker 4: football and it changed him as a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But how hard that is?

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00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: It's so hard all the time, Like Tebow talked about,

886
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Speaker 1: I know Allen was more of a prospect than TBO

887
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Speaker 1: coming out, but you know what I'm saying, Yeah.

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00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: It's so hard to change those habits.

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Speaker 4: I mean, think it's something you've done for twenty five,

890
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Speaker 4: twenty six years, and all of a sudden it's like,

891
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Speaker 4: oh no, no, turn your toe this way, turn your

892
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: heel this way. It it's so difficult to do.

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Speaker 2: So now you're coming back from an injury. Oh and

894
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Speaker 2: by the way, we're changing some of your mechanics. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man, Sometimes I feel like once you get to this

896
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Speaker 4: level in the NFL, like it is what it is,

897
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Speaker 4: like Jamal Wilkes. If you remember Jamal Wilkes, he played

898
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: for the Lakers in the eighties and he had this

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Speaker 4: kind of jacked up jump shot. Sean Marian was more

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Speaker 4: recent from the Suns. All right, so kind of jacked

901
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 4: up jump shots.

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Speaker 1: I've been compared to old timer Sea Me shoot the ball, yeah,

903
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Speaker 1: and they say Jamal Wilkes because I have that jacked

904
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Speaker 1: up jump shot too.

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Speaker 4: But it's your jump shot and you know how to

906
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Speaker 4: get it off and you know how to make it.

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Speaker 1: I think basketball is an interesting and I'd love to

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Speaker 1: have Andre in on this conversation too. Basketball is interesting

909
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Speaker 1: because I feel that way different guys shoot the ball differently.

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Speaker 1: Now sometimes things can be inherently wrong, yet people and

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Speaker 1: not Look. I play a ton of pick up with

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Speaker 1: guys who have different styles, and a lot of guys

913
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Speaker 1: who have high shooting percentages and their shots all look different. Yeah,

914
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Speaker 1: it's uniquely them. It's your own fingerprints.

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Speaker 4: But if they go in, if they go in and

916
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Speaker 4: he gets it off, then don't mess with it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I could see where you watch Trevor and go, Okay,

919
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Speaker 4: your feet are costing you these interceptions. You need to

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Speaker 4: change this. So to me, it's just a matter of

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Speaker 4: what they're trying, what they're changing, and how they're going about.

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Speaker 2: It, which I think is going to be really interesting.

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Speaker 4: But I think also it's Liam Cohen saying, yeah, he's

924
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Speaker 4: been mechanically not right and it should have been fixed

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Speaker 4: at some point, so we got to try and fix

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Speaker 4: it now. So maybe, I mean, I don't know, we'll

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Speaker 4: see how bad the shoulder ends up being. I mean

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Speaker 4: that ac joint can be tough. I had that ac

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Speaker 4: joint injury and it is the most painful thing I've

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Speaker 4: ever had.

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Speaker 1: Is it like a collar ball. It's obviously all connected

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Speaker 1: right right at the top.

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Speaker 4: Of your shoulder, like I could still feel it now,

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Speaker 4: and any time that anything.

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Speaker 2: Hits it, it's just that's the left shoulder. Yeah, it's

936
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Speaker 2: like your arm just going noh, No one's gonna hit him.

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Speaker 1: In OTAs yet the torque, the throwing motions.

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Speaker 4: You do have guys rushing, the guy can bump into him.

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Speaker 4: So you know, just anything can happen, even in OTAs,

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Speaker 4: even if you're not looking for contact, even if it

941
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Speaker 4: is stay away. All of a sudden that that third

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Speaker 4: round rookie you get wanted to show everybody, And and

943
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Speaker 4: the two guys Josh Heines Allen and Treyvon Walker on

944
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Speaker 4: practicing that day and he's got to go in there

945
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Speaker 4: and he's just too gung ho and he hits him.

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Speaker 4: And man the way you go so I can understand

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Speaker 4: complete what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: But good luck to them. That's a lot to change

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Speaker 2: in one year.

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Speaker 1: All Right, On tomorrow's show, what did I say we

951
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Speaker 1: were gonna do? We're gonna put Johnny on the spot

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Speaker 1: with Matthew Golden and Toddler Booker. So we're gonna put

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Speaker 1: you on the spot with those two. Nick is gonna

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Speaker 1: call you say, Johnny, you gotta make this pick for me. Johnny,

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Speaker 1: I need you to make this pick. So you're gonna

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Speaker 1: make the pick. And I want to redraft the class

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Speaker 1: of eighty three.

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Speaker 2: This goes way back. I think't do that.

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Speaker 1: Later in the show, plus Brett Stewart, who is the

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Speaker 1: director of Youth Football Development for the Houston Texans. Great

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Speaker 1: stuff from him. It's all happening tomorrow. Area forty five

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Speaker 1: coming up. Have a great night everyone, Go Texans.