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Speaker 2: We consider the fallout politically and legally of the second

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Speaker 2: deadly Ice shooting in Minneapolis. Judge Catherine Menendez today is

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Speaker 2: considering the state's urgent request by way of a lawsuit,

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Speaker 2: to end ICE's so called Operation Metro Surge and take

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Speaker 2: the agents out of town. Minnesota officials filed that lawsuit

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Speaker 2: around the time of Renee Goods death, which is of

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Speaker 2: course a couple of weeks. Now there's a tandem lawsuit,

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Speaker 2: a separate lawsuit that Judge Eric Tostred is weighing in

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Speaker 2: Minnesota law Enforcements lawsuit requiring the Trumpet Minute Station to

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Speaker 2: preserve evidence stemming from the shooting over this past weekend,

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Speaker 2: the shooting of mister Pretty and to that end, there

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Speaker 2: are multiple reports now as of the lunch hour today

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Speaker 2: on the East Coast that several federal agents had their

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Speaker 2: body cameras on during the fatal shooting that took place

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Speaker 2: on Saturday. In fact, now DHS is reviewing that camera

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Speaker 2: video from the Pretty shooting, according to those sources, knowing that,

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Speaker 2: the President himself said in a very brief interview with

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, I guess they got them on

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Speaker 2: the phone for about five minutes that quote. We are looking,

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Speaker 2: we're reviewing everything, and we'll come out with a determination.

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Speaker 2: Asked whether the officer who shot Alex Pretty had done

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Speaker 2: the right thing, he provided no answer. But a short

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Speaker 2: time ago, the President on truth Social updating the story

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Speaker 2: once again. And I'll note that we don't know if

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Speaker 2: we're going to be hearing from or seeing the President

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Speaker 2: directly today. He's got a number of events on the schedule,

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Speaker 2: but so far at least they are all closed press us.

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Speaker 3: This post as of last hour reads.

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Speaker 2: Governor Tim Wallas called me with the request to work

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Speaker 2: together with respect to Minnesota. President says it was a

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Speaker 2: very good call and we actually seem to be on

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Speaker 2: a similar wavelength. I told Governor Walts I would have

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Speaker 2: Tom Holman call him. That's his borders are he's referring to,

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Speaker 2: and what that we're looking for any all criminals that

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Speaker 2: they have in their possession. Tom Holman, according to the

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Speaker 2: President earlier today on social media, will be making his

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Speaker 2: way to Minneapolis by the end of the day. And

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Speaker 2: before we get to the political fallout with regard to

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Speaker 2: government funding and now a likely government shutdown at the

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Speaker 2: end of the week, we want to update things with

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Washington correspondent, Tyler Kendall, who's got her eyes on

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Speaker 2: everything coming out of the administration. Tyler, we should note

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Speaker 2: Press Secretary is scheduled to deliver a briefing this hour.

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Speaker 3: What else can you tell us, right, and.

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Speaker 4: No doubt Joe Caroline Lovett is going to be asked

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Speaker 4: questions about the potential political fallout here and what the

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Speaker 4: White House's actions are going to look like going forward, because,

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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, that call between President Trump and Minnesota's

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Speaker 4: Governor Tim Walls, which is considered to be pretty significant

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Speaker 4: in the fact that they hadn't had contact ahead of this,

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Speaker 4: and the President did indicate that they do intend to

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Speaker 4: hold another call down the line, perhaps signaling that there

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Speaker 4: is going to be more cooperation here when it comes

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Speaker 4: to state, federal, and local law enforcement. Because there are

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Speaker 4: a whole lot of different threads that we could pull on.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned that we are closely tracking this court case

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Speaker 4: in Minneapolis. We can confirm that that hearing has ended,

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Speaker 4: know what that timeline is going to look like to

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Speaker 4: get a ruling on whether or not Ice will be

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Speaker 4: expelled from Minneapolis, Which means that at this point, all

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Speaker 4: mounting pressure to act in some ac court. Now, you

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Speaker 4: did mention we got some perhaps signals last night that

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Speaker 4: President Trump would perhaps move towards a more de escalation stance,

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Speaker 4: considering he said that they were reviewing this, which seemed

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Speaker 4: the DHS secretary Christi, Noam, but Joe. Of course, at

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Speaker 4: the heart of this is the fact that Tom Holman

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Speaker 4: tactic in a way. He operates separately from the DHS secretary.

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Speaker 4: He is in his own silo, and of course DHS

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tyler, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Tyler Kendall with the Washington and administration side of

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Speaker 2: this story, and I suspect we'll hear more with Caroline

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Speaker 2: Levitt set to brief any moment. Now, this is what

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Speaker 2: we heard from officials in Minneapolis and Minnesota over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Listen, the world knows how he died.

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Speaker 5: He died at the hands of ICE agents on the

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Speaker 5: horrific cruelty, unprofession, absolute abomination that is passing for what

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Speaker 3: If we don't stop this behavior here, it will only expand,

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Speaker 3: and it won't be good for anyone in our country.

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Speaker 6: Our officers are tired, our businesses are tired, and this

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Speaker 6: additional support is necessary. And again, the chaos that we

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Speaker 6: this federal administration.

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Speaker 2: Governor Tim Walls, Attorney General, Keith Ellison, Mayor Jacob Frye.

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Speaker 2: Wendy Benjaminson was working over the course of the weekend

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Speaker 2: as our senior Washington editor as all of us unfolded,

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Speaker 2: and joins us now with her eyes on the administration,

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Speaker 2: and of course the state capital in Minnesota. Wendy, it's

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Speaker 2: great to have you with us here, The President says,

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Speaker 2: he's on the phone with Tim Walls this morning.

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Speaker 3: Similar wavelength.

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Speaker 2: Is this if again before our eyes based on the

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Speaker 7: I think it is, And it sort of begs the

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Speaker 7: question of what would have happened if he called Tim

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Speaker 7: Wallace a month ago and said, Hey, thinking about coming

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Speaker 7: up there, you know, can we work this out? And

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Speaker 7: maybe that would have saved Renee Good and Alex pretty

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Speaker 7: This has has been extraordinary and I think you know,

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Speaker 7: appetite for social media. He is on it all the time.

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Speaker 7: That means he cannot escape the videos that we were

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Speaker 7: is having even the Republicans who aren't saying anything publicly,

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Speaker 7: we believe, are calling him and saying, look, you better

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Speaker 7: turn the temperature down. This is going out of control.

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Speaker 7: And then we hear last night that he's going to

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Speaker 7: review the evidence. And just before he came on, I

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Speaker 7: DHS says they now have a bodycam video of the shooting. Yes,

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Speaker 7: the evidence. He sent Tom Homan up there to sort

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Speaker 7: then you have the possibility that they'll just pull out

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Speaker 2: I have to be honest, I'm not sure I understand

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Speaker 2: what sending Tom Holman is going to do here, Wendy.

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Speaker 2: The borders closed, this is the President's borders are. What's

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Speaker 7: Well, I think he trusts Tom Holman very much. There

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Speaker 7: has been scuttle but but it's only scuttle but that

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Speaker 7: happy with Greg Bolino. He is that border control commandant

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Speaker 7: it may be that there's a guy Tom Holman whom

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Speaker 7: and ears and tell him just how bad it really is.

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Speaker 7: And if Homan meets with Waltz and Frey and Allison,

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Speaker 7: then maybe maybe some reason will prevail at some point.

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Speaker 2: Wendy, thank you for the insights as we consider the

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Speaker 2: voices in the administration, including the aforementioned Greg Bovino, who

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Speaker 2: Wendy mentions there were a lot of folks out doing

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Speaker 2: social media doing Sunday morning television. Here's a sense of

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Speaker 8: An individual approached us BORNA patrol agents with a nine

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Speaker 8: millimeter semi automatic handgun. The agents attempted to disarm the individual,

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Speaker 8: but he violently resisted, fearing for his life and the

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Speaker 9: This individual showed up to impede a law enforcement operation

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Speaker 9: and took action to defend the officer's life and those

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Speaker 9: any peaceful protester that shows up with a gun and

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Speaker 2: That was Secretary Christinom there following Greg Bovino, Christinoms saying

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Speaker 2: without evidence that preddie was there to quote massacre law enforcementuote.

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Speaker 2: We add the voice now of Robert macwherder, the constitutional lawyer,

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Speaker 2: practicing criminal defense civil rights attorney. Robert, it's great to

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Speaker 2: have you with us once again on Bloomberg TV and radio.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering your thoughts on this most recent revelation.

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Speaker 2: They have at least one, and it might be several

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Speaker 2: body cameras that were being warned by federal agents. Will

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Speaker 2: they matter in this case because they did not seem

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Speaker 2: to matter in the last one.

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Speaker 10: Oh, I think they most certainly will matter.

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Speaker 11: And the difference in the Renee Good case from this

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Speaker 11: one is the videos are even more stark about what

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Speaker 2: And to be clear, Robert, that was cell phone video

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Speaker 2: in that first case. This is actual body cameras. They

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Speaker 11: Cameras from the officers. But you've got the cell phone

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Speaker 11: videos of other people around. And you know you can't

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Speaker 11: if you're Christinam I mean if I was her lawyer

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Speaker 10: Lie your way out of this one. You have the videos.

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Speaker 11: And I've thought a long time, like, what is a

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Speaker 11: better thing for protecting rights? Is it our constitution and

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Speaker 11: be our cell phones under this particular regime, because if

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Speaker 11: you see what happened there, it is just shocking. It

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Speaker 11: was an execution of an American citizen who was standing there.

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Speaker 11: There was no reason to go beyond that.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 11: Also another point when Secretary Gnome states that there's no

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Speaker 11: reason to bring a firearm to a protest, well, what

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Speaker 11: do they say to and Kyle Rittenhouse when that young

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Speaker 11: man went fully armed and killed two Black Lives Matter protesters,

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Speaker 11: They weren't saying the same thing about that. They said,

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Speaker 11: we have a Second Amendment right to bear arms. This

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Speaker 11: man did not brandish it, he did not pull it,

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Speaker 11: and he did not deserve to be killed by an

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Speaker 3: Execution is the word that you chose there?

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Speaker 2: Would that suggest have proven that officer be charged with murder?

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Speaker 3: Because JD. Van says ICE agents have absolute immunity.

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Speaker 11: Vance is wrong, and I think he supposedly had law

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Speaker 11: training he should know better. No, federal agents, including ICE agents,

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Speaker 11: have a qualified immunity for the conduct of their federal duties.

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Speaker 11: And while they're doing their federal duties, that does not

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Speaker 11: give them immunity from a homicide charge. And I will

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Speaker 11: tell you there is no statute of limitation for a

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Speaker 11: homicide charge, so you don't have the right to then

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Speaker 11: Absolutely not. The Second Amendment applies well. When the Second

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Speaker 2: Have Democrats decided to shut down half the government on Friday?

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Speaker 12: They are hearing from their constituents. It is loud and clear.

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Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, Obviously his focus is on the Department of

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Speaker 2: That's only been a couple of weeks since the last shutdown, Genie,

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Speaker 13: Mention James Comer went on Fox News and if you

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Speaker 13: administration to task.

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Speaker 12: And what's so baffling is to hear is to hear the.

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Speaker 13: Rest Secretary right now in the room with reporters blaming Democrats,

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Speaker 13: not more than an hour after the President took.

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Speaker 12: To truth Social and tried to walk this thing back.

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Speaker 12: And this has been a.

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Speaker 13: Theme with this administration. They simply cannot get out of

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Speaker 13: their own way. They had a big victory here with

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Speaker 13: the White House, and yet they have done everything they

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Speaker 13: can at this point to disrupt that, and Republicans in

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Speaker 13: Congress are not going to want the plank for the

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Speaker 13: administration on this. So a very difficult time for the president.

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Speaker 13: And by the way, none of this was hard. We're

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Speaker 13: really sorry this happened. Let's have an investigation, let's work

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Speaker 13: with local officials. These are things that are set all

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Speaker 13: the time, and yet instead they went on the air

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Speaker 13: this weekend calling victims suspects, calling them assassins and terrorists.

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Speaker 12: I mean, it's utterly inexplicable.

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Speaker 13: From a messaging standpoint or from any common sense standpoint

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm compelled by the business side of this, Rick Davis.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about outrage among politicians all day long

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Speaker 2: here and there'll be more where that came from. But

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Speaker 2: it's not every day you see a letter like this,

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Speaker 2: Sixty chief executive officers from Minnesota based companies calling on

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Speaker 2: the President to de escalate tensions between state, local, and

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Speaker 2: federal authorities, knowing that, of course, we have a real

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Speaker 2: standoff here on a government level. We're talking about Best Buy, Target, Cargill,

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Speaker 2: General Mills, United Health. We're also talking about sports teams.

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Speaker 2: The Minnesota Vikings and Timberwolves are on here. This was

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Speaker 2: shared by the Minnesota Chamber of Commerce. Is this what's

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Speaker 2: moving the President? Rick Davis?

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Speaker 14: You know, I think all these things are starting to

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Speaker 14: maybe get his attention. You know, you can't avoid the

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Speaker 14: impact that all of this is having on the people

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Speaker 14: in with you know, Minnesota, and the impactically to the community.

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Speaker 14: I mean, the city and state are shut down, and

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Speaker 14: and and that was that was the intent. The administration

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Speaker 14: makes no bones about it. They're going to go to

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Speaker 14: these quote sanctuary cities and they're going to root out,

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Speaker 14: you know, these uh illegals who are supposedly causing all

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Speaker 14: this trouble in the community. Except in these communities there

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Speaker 14: weren't that much trouble. There wasn't that much trouble. And

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Speaker 14: the and the federal officers who are there are creating

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Speaker 14: so much disruption that it's impeding the flow of commerce.

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Speaker 14: It's keeping people you know, at home, away from their

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Speaker 14: schools and their their churches. It's just phenomenal, the impact

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Speaker 14: on these communities and and and and so the.

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Speaker 10: Administration is getting what they asked for.

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Speaker 14: I think someone needs to actually start talking to Stephen Miller,

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Speaker 14: the deputy chief of staff, you know, is the first

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Speaker 14: one to call uh pretty a terrorist. Uh And and

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Speaker 14: in any other administration there would be people from his

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Speaker 14: own party calling for his head today.

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Speaker 10: But in this administration, they throw so much out.

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Speaker 14: There that you don't know which atrocity to react to.

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Speaker 2: Thirty seconds, Genie, Representative Robin Kelly, a Democrat, of course,

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Speaker 2: has articles of impeachment for Christy Noam. One hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty Democrats have signed on. Is that going anywhere?

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Speaker 13: I don't know if the impeachment is going to go anywhere,

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Speaker 13: but Donald Trump looks like he is about to take

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Speaker 13: action potentially.

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Speaker 12: I mean, just the movement of Tom Holman up there.

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Speaker 12: And Tom Holman and Christy Noman and.

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Speaker 13: Lewandowski have been at odds for a while, so I

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Speaker 13: think he knows how bad this is.

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Speaker 2: Genie reminds us tom Holman is making tracks directed by

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Speaker 2: the President to Minneapolis. Jeanie Shanzano and Rick Davis, thank

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Speaker 2: you both so much. Great analysis at a very difficult moment.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us on balance of power. We'll have much

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Speaker 2: more coming up after this.

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Speaker 2: Golds and Silver exactly, it's getting pretty old fashioned around here, Charlie,

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Speaker 2: they really I love it.

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Speaker 15: And what's amazing? Joe Matthew Quick anecdote. I had an

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Speaker 15: ounce of silver that I've been sitting in a drawer

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Speaker 15: at home for decades, literally decades. I suspect I bought

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Speaker 15: the sounds for five bucks back in the eighties, and

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Speaker 15: I was like, how do you get rid of an

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Speaker 15: ounce of How do I monetize this?

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Speaker 3: What do I do?

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Speaker 15: I walked into a pawn shop, pawn a pawn shop

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Speaker 15: and managed to sell it there.

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Speaker 3: I've heard it and.

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Speaker 15: You know what they gave me eighty six bucks spot

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Speaker 15: gold right now, six bucks eighty six bucks spot right now,

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Speaker 15: trading at one sixteen. I didn't know how to monetize it.

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Speaker 3: This is awesome. Was that in the city.

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Speaker 2: I just have to know, like, did you cross the

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Speaker 2: street from working off the silver?

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Speaker 15: I happened to go. I was walking past a pawn

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Speaker 15: shop in my neighbor and that's where I decided to

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Speaker 15: unload it.

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Speaker 3: Great. Did you see my guitar while you were?

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Speaker 15: They they got a lot of guitars in the window, exactly,

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Speaker 15: and they always and I'm surprised. I'm surprised you didn't

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Speaker 15: get one from your rock and roll buddy a couple.

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Speaker 10: Of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Pa w n pond. Thank you, Charlie. You're a great American?

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Speaker 3: Is that the best thing you ever heard?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, if you're sleeping on the floor at the airport, man,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you got into the lounge.

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Speaker 2: You know, they've just been canceling flights around the country

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Speaker 2: because of this thing. And when you look at the totals,

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Speaker 2: I did sell us short. Earlier producer James set me

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Speaker 2: straight on this. We got seven.

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Speaker 3: Inches at the airport here.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, they go at the airport as the

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Speaker 2: official total six point nine dulles. That was as of midnight.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Dullis ended up with about eight b

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Speaker 2: wy with the jackpot over eleven inches, so between seven

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Speaker 2: and a foot is kind of where we are here.

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Speaker 3: Again. The snow is not so much the story.

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Speaker 2: It's the ice, and that's why there was so much

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Speaker 2: concern about power outages. If you look out the window here,

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Speaker 2: there's a little bit of pavement, but not too much

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Speaker 2: to be seen. They're still spending most of their time

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Speaker 2: just sort of pushing snow around the nation's capital because

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Speaker 2: there's nothing else to do. No one else's downtown. It's

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Speaker 2: going to make it difficult for lawmakers to get in

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Speaker 2: eleven point four inches in Central Park according to ACI Weather,

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Speaker 2: and that is where we find the great Miles Miller.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is a banger of a storm.

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Speaker 2: When they put Miles in the winter outfit and station

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Speaker 2: him in Central Park, this will be the best part

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Speaker 2: of the program, I'm guessing, Miles.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you.

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Speaker 2: The big question that we were asking on Friday is

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Speaker 2: is the mayor up to the test?

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Speaker 3: What are they say in today in New York.

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Speaker 16: Well, listen, I'll tell you. Hi, Mark for the mayor

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Speaker 16: who was able to make sure that plows got down

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Speaker 16: the streets they needed to get to and made sure

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Speaker 16: that people were informed ahead of the storm. You know,

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Speaker 16: at the beginning of the Deblasio administration in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 16: he basically had to get rid of his sanitation commissioner

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Speaker 16: because of what a bad job was done on the

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Speaker 16: Upper East Side, which is, of course where the Mayor's mansion,

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Speaker 16: Greasy Mansion, is no problems thus far here the only

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Speaker 16: gripes are really from schools children who are doing remote

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Speaker 16: learning today, but not too many because behind me, well

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Speaker 16: those must be the the the private school kids, because

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Speaker 16: they're doing some sledding behind me. Some of the private

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Speaker 16: schools here in New York City are closed today, but

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Speaker 16: not New York City schools. They are remote and Joe,

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Speaker 16: you know, two people who spend some time on local news.

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Speaker 16: I did not think that I'd be back covering storms

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Speaker 16: once I joined Bloomberg.

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Speaker 17: And you know, it's a different world. Can you go

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Speaker 17: out and cover the storm? We know you've done it before. Sure,

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Speaker 17: let me show you know, I gotta do what they

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Speaker 17: what we do in TV. Right, let me just show

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Speaker 17: you the scene here in Central Park, people taking leisurely strolls.

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Speaker 16: The children I forgot radio as well, right, children are

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Speaker 16: sliding down the hills. Uh and it is a beautiful

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Speaker 16: sight to see uh here in Central Park. But yeah,

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Speaker 16: you know, beyond that, what we know is that nearly

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Speaker 16: thirty nine hundred flights were canceled as of nine am today.

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Speaker 16: That follows roughly eleven six hundred cancelations since the start

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Speaker 16: of the storm. And if you got some of this

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Speaker 16: storm in d C, it was nothing like what we got.

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Speaker 16: I'll tell you about that. Rocking and rolling in the

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Speaker 16: all wheel drive Toyota Highlander today doing the best we can.

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Speaker 16: But you know, it's it's really slick out there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, this is very authentic. I've got to say, Miles,

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Speaker 2: just embrace it for one day. You look fantastic and

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the update very much.

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Speaker 18: Wait hold on, hold on, Joe, so yeah, wait, hold

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Speaker 18: on for for the for the wait wait for the

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Speaker 18: for the for the YouTube audience. Hold on, there's a

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Speaker 18: bunch of people from all around the world behind. Come on,

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Speaker 18: come on over come. They're all guy, don't thinks they

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Speaker 18: are there. Yeah, they're slow, they're slow to move.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, look get this. I love all over the world.

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Speaker 3: I can tell.

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Speaker 12: Miles.

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Speaker 2: Not incredible service. I just didn't want to make you

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Speaker 2: late for your next hit. This is fantastic. Is Macaulay

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Speaker 2: Culkin in that ground? Are those the private school kids

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Speaker 2: don't take any gruff from where they're from.

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Speaker 16: Listen our tourism dollars at work, baby, I'll set it

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Speaker 16: back to you.

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Speaker 3: We got a twelve.

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Speaker 2: Fifty great job. Yeah, I love this. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to get Miles fired today. We'll get Can we do

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Speaker 2: that again next hour? That's just highlight of my day.

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Speaker 2: Miles Miller in Central Park. Thank you, Born to Be

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