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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here, of course,

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong. Our body movement is a way for

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Speaker 2: the night. We miss you, and you know we're trying

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Speaker 2: to get by. Hope you're having a great trip. We're

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Speaker 2: joined tonight by Lisa Bryant is back. She's the director

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Speaker 2: of the Epstein documentary on Netflix, Filthy Rich. She was

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Speaker 2: with us once before, arguably my mother's most favorite episode.

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Speaker 2: I might add we got lots of feedback about Lisa's involvement.

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Speaker 3: She's very close to the case.

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Speaker 2: In fact, she was in DC last week with the

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Speaker 2: victims as they spoke out. We're going to unpack that

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Speaker 2: much and more. And remember it's talk Back Tuesday, so

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Speaker 2: we have a lot of talkbacks and a lot of

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Speaker 2: callers that are apparently calling in real time. We're going

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Speaker 2: to get to all of them as quickly and as

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Speaker 3: It's September ninth.

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Speaker 2: Apparently there's a big red moon out tonight, whatever that means.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're enjoying it. And yeah, we have a

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Speaker 2: stack night of headlines, Epstein being at the top of that.

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Speaker 2: So we've heard it. There's a birthday book, there is

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Speaker 2: new information that is being released real time. It's controversial,

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Speaker 2: getting a lot of chatter on both sides, and look,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's important stuff. And

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Speaker 2: as we were saying just before air, I think this

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Speaker 2: is one of the larger moments in our time. So

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Speaker 2: we're so grateful that Lisa is here, and Lisa Bryant,

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Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. Yes, the story

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Speaker 4: is never going away. He's larger than life and death.

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Speaker 2: And by the way you called it the last time

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Speaker 2: you were here, who by the way she shared harrowing

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Speaker 3: And her experience there.

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Speaker 2: If you didn't hear it, then definitely catch it as

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Speaker 2: the previous podcast.

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Speaker 3: But listen, it doesn't seem to be going away.

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Speaker 2: You called it then this seems like one of those

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Speaker 2: stories that is getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and

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Speaker 2: I guess more wide reaching, and you know, we bring

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Speaker 2: up this birthday book.

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Speaker 3: I know it's been everywhere.

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Speaker 2: We discussed it briefly last night as well, but it

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Speaker 2: is worthy of an unpack because it's not just about

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, although we should discuss that, but also there's

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Speaker 2: so much more to it. So, Lisa, you know so

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Speaker 2: many of the victims. You've been on the front Lin's

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Speaker 2: real time. Literally in the last week, you were excellent.

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Speaker 2: I saw you on MSNBC and so many other interviews

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Speaker 2: that you've been doing. So we're really grateful to be

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Speaker 2: in your behive because you have such a beautiful perspective.

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Speaker 2: Lisa and I have had the benefit of working together,

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Speaker 2: and look, you're the real deal. So this is meant

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Speaker 2: start with this birthday book. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 4: Well, we saw I had more of an opportunity in

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Speaker 4: to look at other pages. But I think the fact

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Speaker 4: not Trump's signature. You know, no matter how hard he

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Speaker 4: it seems pretty clear that Trump is lying the birthday book.

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Speaker 4: The book also, to me, seems to blow up the

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Speaker 4: myth that Epstein's powerful friends were clueless to what was

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Speaker 4: They were laughing. They're in on the joke and apparently

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Speaker 4: in these pages and that different authors, there's a section

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Speaker 3: Just it's inconsciousnable.

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Speaker 2: Just raise your hands when that's sorted.

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Speaker 5: So this book, it has been released by House Democrats,

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Speaker 5: outline of a naked woman's silhouette hand drawn with heavy marker.

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Speaker 2: Like it almost like with sharpie almost if you haven't

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Speaker 5: And it's sort of necked down to the low torso

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Speaker 5: just just an outline. And then it is allegedly signed

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Speaker 5: by Donald Trump. This has come into question quite a bit.

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Speaker 5: Some some say that, you know, absolutely it is not his,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely is and and really super relevant because and again

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Speaker 2: taking this out of the politics part and even the

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Speaker 2: that this entire conversation as a hoax, that he not

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Speaker 2: also it didn't exist. In fact, he's suing the Wall

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Speaker 3: It's here. It is ten billion dollars. Yeah, and brillion dollars.

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Speaker 2: I mean you think about that, So that's unbelievable. So

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Speaker 2: again you're saying something doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to wrap your brain around, right, And I

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Speaker 2: think we've talked about this a bit last night. It's like, listen,

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Speaker 2: shocking that we're just in pure denial mode. And I

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I mean it's gone aside from as you said,

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Speaker 2: I think this document dump also hopefully shows some non

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Speaker 2: foreign agencies involved in a very major way. And again,

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Speaker 2: this is not a one off. This is a sex

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Speaker 2: not that that would be okay. This is you know,

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Speaker 3: Now we have Lisa back.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to you know, it's at the stage, but you know,

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Speaker 2: great time for you to jump in because you had

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Speaker 2: some real interesting insight about this birthday book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well I found a few of the names to

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Speaker 4: think it's some of what they're saying. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: not a crime, but it's sort of telling.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: I really dialed into like what Bill Clinton wrote. He writes,

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Speaker 4: well did he write friendship? He just wrote, yeah, something

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Speaker 4: along the lines about what a long friendship we've had

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Speaker 4: and enjoyed our many adventures over the years. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: Rights.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Anyway, I thought that was kind of interesting. There's

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Speaker 4: also a message from former UK politician Peter Mendelssohn, who's

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Speaker 4: photo of Mendelssohn and Epstein on Epstein's island known as

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Speaker 4: with his friends, Yum yum, he remains my best pal.

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Speaker 4: page from Les Lexner, who is the name that is

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Speaker 4: a big part of the Epstein you know history. He's

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Speaker 4: Victoria's Secret founder. He made a drawing of a woman's

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Speaker 4: breast with a message, I wanted to get you what

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Speaker 4: really speaks to bothman's you know perversions.

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Talk about it?

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Speaker 2: Who gets a birthday book with a bunch of you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I mean contextually speaking, Listen, we've.

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Speaker 2: We've all known okay, some you know, poor behavior here

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Speaker 2: and there. I believe this is not normal, especially if

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Speaker 2: these are loose associates. And again, all sides of the

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Speaker 2: table appear to be in the mix.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: And I mean just when you when you consider these

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Speaker 3: Pictures of breast.

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Speaker 5: I mean this sounds like you know, middle school, Well,

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Speaker 5: that sounds like middle school to me.

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Speaker 3: This is true crime.

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Speaker 5: Tonight, we are on iHeartRadio and we are very lucky

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Speaker 5: to have Lisa Bryant with us. She's the director of

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich, the documentary, and we want to

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Speaker 5: hear any of your questions for Lisa. She's an unbelievable resource.

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Speaker 5: Eighty eight three one crime, So give us a call.

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Speaker 5: But Lisa, was there anything else that has stuck out?

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Speaker 5: Very recently? I know this this has just been coming out.

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Speaker 2: And like, let's really break that down because this makes

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's happening tomorrow. Something else that's coming up that

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Speaker 5: You know she's here true crime tonight we will be continuing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Lisa.

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Speaker 2: Listen, one of the three of us is out tonight.

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Speaker 3: And also it's talk back Tuesday. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: So if you want to join us eight at eight

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Speaker 3: Please do so, Lisa.

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Speaker 2: Right before the break, we were talking about Acosta. So

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Speaker 2: My understanding is when Epstein was originally found guilty because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and to remind you, Jeffrey Epstein could have been

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Speaker 2: Think about that, decades of abuse, the amount of women

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Speaker 4: The attorneys and if that's attorneys, you know, they I

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Speaker 4: Look, they had pictures of them, you know, topless or

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Speaker 4: who are probably still you know, around in office or

437
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 4: out of office that he was hiding, you know, tax

438
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 4: shelters and things like that. That's the kind of thing

439
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 4: that they want to put the genie back in the

440
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 4: bottle and just you know, keep it, keep it locked.

441
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 4: But I think the outcry from the public and finally

442
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: is you know, the survivors coming out together last week

443
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 4: really beating the drum. People are really starting to get

444
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 4: into that and feel it.

445
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that was a real wave last week when

446
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 5: I mean it was a historic conference on Capitol Hill

447
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 5: and the survivors of Ebstein and Tangentially or not even

448
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 5: Tangentially and Gilleene Maxwell demanding the Justice Department released these files,

449
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 5: and you were actually there. We have been dying to

450
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 5: ask you about that and listen. Anyone else who wants

451
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 5: to hear Lisa Bryant answer your questions about Ebstine, give

452
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 5: us a call eight at eight three to one Crime.

453
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 5: But Lisa, what was your experience at last week's rally.

454
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Speaker 4: Well, it really feels like it was the beginning of

455
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: a movement, a real turning point and a source of

456
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 4: empowerment for their survivors. It was the largest public gathering

457
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 4: Epstein and Maxwell's survivors ever. I think more than twenty

458
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 4: to thirty women standing in solid are on Capitol Hill.

459
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 4: It was very powerful. They were sharing very personal and

460
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 4: traumatic experiences, some for the very first time. I felt

461
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 4: very proud to stand there united with them, and I

462
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 4: actually there was a rally just before the press conference.

463
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: I actually had the privilege of helping organize the stand

464
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 4: with Survivors rally on Capitol Hill. I wassessed by the

465
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Speaker 4: World Without Exploitation, which is the largest national coalition dedicated

466
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 4: to end of human trafficking. They reached out to me,

467
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 4: it's a kind of an interesting story to see if

468
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 4: I could help connect them with Epstein and Maxwell survivors

469
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 4: and their attorneys, which of course I was happy to do.

470
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: But the reason is because they got the idea that

471
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: kicked this whole thing off. The rally, because you know,

472
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: they represent and work with all kinds of sex trafficked

473
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 4: victims abuse victim all over the country, and because Epstein's

474
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: face is all over the TV, Maxwell all this talk,

475
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: her interview just in their face all the time, they

476
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 4: were triggered, and they were getting so many calls from

477
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: their survivors not even related to the Epstein and Maxwell crimes,

478
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 4: saying you know, it was so traumatizing to them. So

479
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: they wanted to help shift the narrative. What can we do?

480
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 4: And so they wanted to bring you know, survivors together

481
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 4: to rally and really amplify their voices because they've been silenced,

482
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: as we know, for decades. And so it was really,

483
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 4: I think a historic event to stand there and support

484
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 4: these women.

485
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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine because even just hearing them again

486
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: and I watched it all, every single second of it,

487
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: and I even I follow this closely we all do,

488
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: and was still taken by the information and the bravery. Remember,

489
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: these women are putting their faces out there. This is

490
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: again very high profile people who can do very scary things.

491
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: Probably part of the reason that we don't know all

492
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: of the details is because these are very high profile

493
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: people who can do very scary things. So imagine, as

494
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 2: a woman who's been carrying around this anguish and grief

495
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: and sorrow and shame to have to go forward and

496
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: put yourself out there, fook line and sinker. It's dangerous stuff.

497
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: And they've done it, and they've done it in numbers,

498
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: and I hope that helps so many who are afraid

499
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: to do so, or her fear maybe who feel voiceless, right,

500
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: you know, you say survivors, and you know, we had

501
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: a really eloquent talk back the other night that you know,

502
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: reminded us, like listen, they're survivors, not victims. And it's

503
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: such a key point, right and you know, A I

504
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: stand corrected, of course, but yes, they're survivors of that.

505
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: But they're being victimized right now by the system, in

506
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: my opinion, and I think that can't get lost in

507
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: the shuffle. It's like not again, and I don't think

508
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: we can allow.

509
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: It and.

510
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: Enough enough and to be called a hoax is and

511
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: again it feels yucky in a yucky I sound like

512
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: a three year old, but it feels awful speaking poorly

513
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: or you know, speaking about our our leaders and our presidents.

514
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: You know, these are It's a country we love and

515
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: respect and I'm so proud of. So it's tenuous stuff

516
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: to talk about, but it rips my heart out, honestly

517
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: on every level.

518
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 5: Lisa, what do you think justice looks like to the survivors?

519
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question. You know, I think it

520
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: probably means many things too many people. So you know,

521
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: I thought about that over the weekend too, And I

522
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 4: texted one of the survivors who I text a lot,

523
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 4: who has become a dear friend, and I'm kind of

524
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: a surrogate sister, big sister mom to her. Woman named

525
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: Hailey Robinson. She was sixteen when she met Jeffrey Epstein.

526
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: But she's got a very very powerful voice, and I'm

527
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: sure you remember her from yes Wednesday. But I asked her,

528
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 4: I said, what does justice mean to you? What does

529
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: it look like to you now? And she said, here's

530
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 4: what she said in my heart. What I'd like to

531
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: believe is going to happen is that eventually we will

532
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 4: get a hold of the files. Eventually everything will be exposed,

533
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: and the survivors and everything they've said over the last

534
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: twenty years will we've vindicated, and that the people that

535
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 4: have abused the power and have abused us will be

536
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: outed to the public and they will be in their

537
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 4: own mental prison for years, if not behind bars in

538
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: our justice system. Then she said, but if that doesn't happen,

539
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: I've already kind of reached justice in my life because

540
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: I understand what I'm up against lies, betrayal and disregard

541
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: for the truth and what we're asking for. So she said,

542
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: it's been this way for the last twenty years, so

543
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 4: I and all the other survivors know the truth. I've

544
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: had to make peace with it in order to move

545
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: on with my life. So for her personally, justice is

546
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: what she's doing for herself. It's advocating for other women.

547
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: It's showing up for other women. It's hoping and believing

548
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: that other women can find the strength to use their

549
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 4: voices like she has, and she didn't find her voice

550
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 4: until Filthy Rich in twenty eighteen. So she said, it's

551
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: also about becoming a better mother and a better person

552
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: and just trying to be happy with you know what

553
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: you've got.

554
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 5: I'm so inspiring and empowering and motivating.

555
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: That enough is enough.

556
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: Enough is enough, Like we are better together, and everybody, male, female,

557
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: whatever side, we all can agree this is not okay.

558
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: Pedophilia is not okay.

559
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: The angeriod it's like exclamation point, underscore, high five, Like

560
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: nobody disagrees that's right.

561
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: List somebody is a way for the night.

562
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: But we have Lisa Bryant, director of the incredible Netflix

563
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: documentary Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich, also the co director of

564
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Gileen Maxwell Filthy Rich. Also on Netflix, and Lisa's the

565
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: executive producer. She's hands on, she works so closely with

566
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: victims and survivors.

567
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: She's the person.

568
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: That's really boots on the ground, as we say it, right,

569
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: you're you're in the trenches, you're living at real time, so.

570
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: You're very close to this story.

571
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: In fact, when you were here last time, you were

572
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: sharing these harrowing tales of you, you know, going on

573
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: a boat to the island and trying to like sneak

574
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: in and get some you know, new information undercover.

575
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: So serve verst and foremost.

576
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: We're glad that you're safe, yes, and such an advocate,

577
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: right You've dedicated your life to advocacy, and your work

578
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: shows for it. And we were talking a lot about

579
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: the victims and there and their incredible union last week

580
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: in d C speaking out collectively, you know, for the

581
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: first time, what do you want to talk about that

582
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: a little bit.

583
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: They really emphasized that, you know, that courage is contagious,

584
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: and there's power and numbers, and now they really feel

585
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: that the nation is behind them, and really they're angry.

586
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: You heard it, and some of their you know, they're mad,

587
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: do something. Why the files are there? Why won't you

588
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: release them? Why after all these years, do we have

589
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: to be disrespected again and come here to the nation's capital.

590
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: You know, but we will. We're going to keep beating that,

591
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: and you know, we found our voices, some of us

592
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: for the very first time, and we're just not going

593
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: to stop until justices served. They need to keep the

594
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: pressure on though, because they need to keep building momentum

595
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: to help pass the Epstein Transparency Act, which at present

596
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: is two votes short, and that to them is just

597
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: heartbreaking to even think about, you know, like, are you

598
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: kidding me? And have four Republican votes? They only need

599
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 4: two more. They have to be Republican votes. But they're

600
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: not going to vote for that because they're getting so

601
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: much pressure from the Republican Party, these higher ups that

602
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: are saying, you're going to lose funding in your district

603
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 4: if you vote for that. What are you hiding? So

604
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: that's really heartbreaking. So anyway, that's happening right now.

605
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: So what is just so I understand fully, what is

606
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 5: the implication if that vote, if it simply doesn't pass,

607
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 5: does everything stop the tracks?

608
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: Or I think they can try again, you know, and

609
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: I think they have I don't know how much time

610
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 4: has to pass or they can they can rewrite it

611
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 4: and you know, do do it again. But that would

612
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: be just crushing, I think to the survivors. I heard

613
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: Rocana talking on one of the shows yesterday, and he

614
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: feels like they are going to be able to They

615
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: have two more weeks, I think when the vote's going

616
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 4: to take place, two more weeks, and he names some

617
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: names of who you know they're backdooring, you know, of

618
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: course trying to make this bill passes. One of the

619
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: sponsors of the bill, so you know, it'll be interesting

620
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: to see. But I will be devastated for that and

621
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: for us, for everybody if we can't you know, get

622
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: those files out. It's just it's just more delayed. It's

623
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 4: another stall tactic. I think eventually, you know, it's like

624
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: the JFK files. I mean, yeah, they just doddled them

625
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: out a couple of weeks ago. Again, are you kidding me?

626
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: You know that's sixty years ago. So so anyway, yeah,

627
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: I hope for their sake that that you know, passes well.

628
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 5: I think I think even you know you being on

629
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: here as one example, is keeping this information fresh and

630
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 5: present in people's minds and understanding that pressure is important

631
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: because the implications are disastrous if this bill does not pass.

632
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: So speaking about it and putting.

633
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: Faces to this horrible situation and the survivors is what

634
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 5: I think can.

635
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: Help, right and also the survivors, as you heard a

636
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: very powerful lease of Phillips say that the survivors is

637
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 4: talking about starting our own list of those who have

638
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 4: used them.

639
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: They know who they.

640
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: Were trafficked to, they know the name, you know. But

641
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: the problem is they shouldn't have to do that. You know,

642
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: they're not protected. The survivors themselves aren't protected from libel lasses,

643
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: so they can't publicly release their list. You know. Now technically,

644
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 4: you know, one of these representatives, Massey I think, was

645
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: the one who said he would read their lists on

646
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 4: house floor or he would be protected. But it's still

647
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: kind of dangerous for those surviv you know, they should

648
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: just shouldn't be put in that position. The file should

649
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: be made public with those names, because it would take

650
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: the burden off of them. It's just not fair, you know.

651
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: And let's face it, that's still the number one thing

652
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: that most people want to know. Tell me the names,

653
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Speaker 4: you know.

654
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Speaker 2: And tell names. What is the hold up with all

655
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 2: these names. It's not even like as it's not because

656
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: I'm curious or a super nosy. You know, it's a

657
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: very real problem and these what are the names that

658
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: we're covering up for a bunch of criminals? Like what

659
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: is the rap here? And if you're lying about that,

660
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 2: what else are we lying about? And I guess that's

661
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: this very tenuous time we find ourselves in.

662
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right there. These are crimes that

663
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: have been committed, many of them against children and certainly

664
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Speaker 4: young women. Rape is not okay at any age. And

665
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 4: you know, it's these people need to be investigated even

666
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 4: if the names are out there. Nobody's convicting anybody off

667
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 4: a name. That's just allowing for like an investigation to

668
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 4: go forth. Really, I mean in my opinion that they

669
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: should have, you know, investigated these names a long time ago.

670
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: But at the same time, the pressure will be on

671
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 4: then if the names are out there, to learn more

672
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: about that individual and whatever they might be tied to

673
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: real time.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I guess that's the most alarming piece

675
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: of this where I find it's so disturbing, is that

676
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: likely whatever has been happening and covered up for decades

677
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: is happening real time, So you know, just like that

678
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, you know, guilty plea for you know,

679
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: Epstein did very little to keep women safe because he

680
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: was set free into the world to continue his dastardly deeds.

681
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: What's happening right now?

682
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Speaker 2: I mean I think there are guaranteed likely to be

683
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Speaker 2: girls being trafficked real time as a result of whatever

684
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: ring we are talking about.

685
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Speaker 3: And to me, that's like nine to one one. Please help.

686
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, that's absolutely right. I think you know,

687
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: if you're a pedophile once, you're always a pedophile.

688
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: You know, this wasn't just like a once off.

689
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: This has been a scheme, allegedly as a ring that's

690
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: been happening for decades and decades with up to thousands

691
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: of young girls. I mean, really, that's a really high

692
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: stakes thing, right, So this is a very well coordinated effort.

693
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: This is not just like you know, a tail or,

694
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory. This is an actual thing and it's

695
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: a crime.

696
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Speaker 5: And the finances that are to back it's Stephanie, to

697
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 5: your point, this is nothing small. This is large. This

698
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 5: is complicated. I mean, JP, Morgan, there was I'm not

699
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 5: sure if you saw Lisa, there was a huge you're

700
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: nodding your head. What's your thought on JP Morgan's complicity

701
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 5: with Epstein?

702
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: If you.

703
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 4: It's very I find it very anything I've known about

704
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: it because basically, there was a lawsuit that you know,

705
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: was settled two years ago into twenty twenty three. So

706
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: we knew that JP Morgan, knew that there were red flags,

707
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: but the details, and we knew that they paid out

708
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 4: three hundred million to survivors, so I knew that they

709
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 4: were an institution that, you know, really the kind of

710
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 4: got away with murder. Really, they got up pretty easy

711
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 4: when you consider they make about fifty billion a year

712
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 4: and they only had to pay out, you know, three

713
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 4: hundred million, and really only just Dally, the head who

714
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: dealt with Epstein, wasn't in the head, but he's really

715
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 4: the only one who took the fall. I mean, I'm

716
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: sure there are other people who and that there's I

717
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 4: think one other attorney that took the fall.

718
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Speaker 3: But what does that mean took the fall? Are they

719
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Speaker 3: behind bars?

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00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 4: Were fired? No? No, we're fired.

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Speaker 2: They lost their job because they were looking the other

722
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: way in a sex trafficking ring where there were millions

723
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Speaker 2: of dollars being exchanged illegally, but they're not.

724
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Speaker 3: They're like roaming free in the world.

725
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 4: Totally roaming free. Jess Staley actually failed up and he

726
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 4: got a job at Barkley's and the UK was running Barkley's.

727
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: And then finally, once Epstein was arrested, I believe it

728
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: was in twenty when he was arrested. In twenty eighteen

729
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: or twenty nineteen, he finally he was caught trafficking woman.

730
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: I don't think he ever did any time, but then

731
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: he lost his job there, so now he's unemployed, but

732
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 4: he's still not behind bars. So he's definitely a bad guy.

733
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Speaker 3: I mean, think about that.

734
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Speaker 2: I mean to think about how the law applies to

735
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: so few in this scenario, which is also really maddening.

736
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Speaker 2: People are having a hard time putting food on the

737
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: table and making ends meet. And you know, this whole

738
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: crew upper echelon of the world not only doing real

739
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: criminal activity, but also they.

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Speaker 5: Get a lot of money along the way. Yeah, and

741
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 5: being rewarded, as you said, Lisa, failing up. So listen,

742
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 5: speaking of behind bars. Okay, Gileen Maxwell, we have not

743
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 5: spoken with you. I do not believe since Gileen was

744
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 5: moved to her very minimum security camp where she is

745
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 5: Any thoughts on.

746
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: That, Well, the timing was interesting, wasn't it interesting?

747
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 7: Yes?

748
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: It was, And we do know that she, you know,

749
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 4: has set herself up pretty nicely to ask for either.

750
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 4: The next step could be work released. It could be

751
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: a full up blown pardon. It could be a commuted sentence,

752
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 4: which would be devastating to the survivors. It would just

753
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: take away the tiny little piece of justice, the only

754
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: one that they've ever gotten. So that's a real fear

755
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: that they have. And actually, another survivor that I spoke with,

756
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: Liz Jeyne, she is, well, she's one of many who

757
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: are actually really afraid in real life that Maxwell will

758
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: come after them. You know, it's it's, you know, it's

759
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: scary to think that if she's out, that they still

760
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 4: have that fear. But it's a real fear, and you know,

761
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: I understand it, and and it's it's it's a possibility,

762
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 4: it really is. I hate to think that that could happen,

763
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 4: but anything can happen. And you know, Trump, you know,

764
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 4: says I haven't really thought about it, but I can't

765
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 4: I want to. I mean, it's just like such a

766
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 4: you know, and honestly, it does seem like, you know,

767
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: she's cleared him, She knew what she had to do.

768
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 4: She cleared everybody, She cleared Clinton. The only person who

769
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: did anything bad was Virginia, who put her in this

770
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: position in her mind. Poor Virginia, May she rests in peace.

771
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: Virginia Giuphrey, the key survivor who really brought up scene

772
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: and Maxwell down and rightly so. But it became too

773
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 4: much for her and she took her own life just recently,

774
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 4: which is just a tragedy, but a tragedy.

775
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: And again, yes, she really set the stage here. And

776
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: just in case you don't know who that is, she's

777
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: the infamous picture with Prince Andrew. She's the blonde with

778
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: a long blodeter. She was sixteen years old working at

779
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: mar A Lago. Her dad was tending to the grounds

780
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: in mar A Lago.

781
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: She had scored like.

782
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 8: A cute job at the spa at mar A Lago.

783
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: You know you're still in high school. Let's remind sixteen

784
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: years old.

785
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: And then she meets Epstein who just lures her a

786
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: way to someplace else. And we know how that story

787
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: ends in years of abuse and having to come forward

788
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: and yeah, lost her life in April to suicide. Because listen,

789
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: it's a hard road. I wish she was here to

790
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: see or feel, and I hope all of the survivors

791
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: do feel all of us with them because you know,

792
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 2: it is sort of making everybody's blood boil. And I'm

793
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: talking male female. It's like genderless. This is nonpartisan. We

794
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: get so many male phone calls and emails that are

795
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: so in support of the survivors, and I find that

796
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: so heart warming. And also, like, listen, this is a

797
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: time that we can all agree on very little, but

798
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: I think this is the one that can bring us

799
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: together a little bit to expect more.

800
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 4: And I do think Virginia's presence was felt at that rally,

801
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: and everybody shouted after her. Her family, her brothers were there,

802
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: all over television, and they cry, bless their heart every

803
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: time they speak. Her memory, you know, lives on and

804
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 4: she's a hero to all those women. They feel no

805
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 4: one would be where we're at, you know, for better

806
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 4: for worse without Virginia's you know, bravery and strength and

807
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: courage to tackle these you know, just powerful people who

808
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: are so manipulative and just you know, grooms and just

809
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: abused so many people, and she took them on.

810
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: She took them on.

811
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 5: And then also, I believe it's October, her book will

812
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 5: be coming out posthumously.

813
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: Whoa which will be?

814
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 5: That will be something to absolutely look out for. Listen, Lisa,

815
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 5: we literally cannot thank you enough for joining us, for

816
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 5: all of your incredible work in bringing these crimes to

817
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 5: light and keeping keeping people aware of what is happening now.

818
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 5: Anyone who's interested in learning more should watch Lisa's documentaries.

819
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 5: They're on Netflix, Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich and Glaine Maxwell

820
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: Filthy Rich. They are fabulous, unbelievable, gut wrenching watches and

821
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 5: inside look into the actual horror show that has been

822
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 5: going on for decades and listen. As a very very

823
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 5: important reminder, if you would like to help survivors in

824
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 5: their fight for justice, you can talk to your state

825
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 5: representatives about voting to pass the Epstein Transparency Act. You

826
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 5: can also donate to World Without Exploitation that's at www

827
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 5: dot World without Exploitation dot org. The money raise will

828
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Speaker 5: be used to help support is travel to Washington, d C.

829
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 5: Where they plan to keep meeting with legislators and demand

830
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 5: further investigations. Because listen. This is what it takes. So

831
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 5: once again, just a gigantic thank.

832
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: You, Lisa.

833
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: You are a trailblazer and having you here is so inspiring.

834
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: So keep it coming, keep coming back. By the way,

835
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: next week, when alex Acassa gets in that hot seat,

836
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: we want to hear all about it, so make sure

837
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: you do. And in thank you for being a guiding

838
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: light in this one. You know, keep it going. Welcome

839
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime

840
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: all the time. A big special thanks so Lisa Bryant,

841
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: who was with us for the last hour. If you

842
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: miss any of that, no problem at all, just catch

843
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: us right after. As a podcast, I'm Steph here with

844
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: Courtney and listen, it is talk about Tuesday, so we

845
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: want to hear from you. Eight eight eight three one crime.

846
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: A little change of pace here. This is no roulette.

847
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: This is more of a talkback Tuesday informed edition. So

848
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm told some of the talkbacks that we've been getting

849
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: have been sort of collected in categories, et cetera. And

850
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, Taha has us in a very tightly

851
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: so yes we do.

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Speaker 6: We got a lot of talkbacks, we got a lot

853
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 6: of d ms, but I want to start with one

854
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 6: that I just I'm gushing over.

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Speaker 3: That I love, I love it, gushing over.

856
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 6: Okay, So I think the name is pronounced this is

857
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 6: a DM. I think her name is pronounced Tangya, Tangya,

858
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 6: but we're just going to go with that. Hello, ladies,

859
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 6: this is Tangia from Nashville.

860
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: He yes, so Nashville, she said.

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Speaker 6: I love the show, and you recently mentioned you guys

862
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 6: are going to get some merch, so slash swag would

863
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 6: I would suggest that you didn't get the long sleeve

864
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 6: teas with the words allegedly allegedly allegedly written right across

865
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 6: the front, and keep up the incredible work. And you

866
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 6: guys rock and I know where you're going with this.

867
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Speaker 6: Define we got.

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Speaker 3: We got somebody.

869
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: Yes, one of our amazing listeners sent us like a

870
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: mock up of a T shirt so with the allegedly

871
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly on it. So why don't we do T

872
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: shirts and long sleeved shirts?

873
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: I love that and I love that so.

874
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: The listener I wish I could say her name properly

875
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: out loud right now. But the listener who gave us

876
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: this mock T shirt she kind of mocks it up.

877
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: She had her husband make sort of the version of it,

878
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: and it looks so good, and I think we should

879
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: use that.

880
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: That should be the.

881
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 5: They did, that should be it unbelievable job. It was

882
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 5: so I mean, the picture was unbelievable. And also Stephanie allegedly,

883
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 5: allegedly allegedly is catching just wild.

884
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the music world, well we can get there

885
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 6: is a bit of a swell happening.

886
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 8: Wait watching Tahas with the buttons right now.

887
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot nothing nothing my house until

888
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 6: I get on the microphone.

889
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: Every since, like a microphone said everything, everything.

890
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 6: That could go wrong just went wrong. So that's just

891
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 6: the nature of my life basically. But anyway, but yeah,

892
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 6: allegedly allegedly it does it with.

893
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: The biggest the biggest smile. And yes, allegedly allegedly allegedly

894
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: everything is great.

895
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that. Well, so that is what we've

896
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 6: been getting. We got a lot of d ms and

897
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 6: a lot of talk backs. But one of the topics

898
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 6: that I've been dying to dig back into, which we

899
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 6: covered earlier this week, was Jean Benet And I don't

900
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 6: know why, but that one has really hit a hot

901
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 6: button with a lot of people. Everyone is talking about it.

902
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 6: So I think Sam and Adam have a really good

903
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 6: jampinet one that we might want to Yes, let's go.

904
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: Hi.

905
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 9: This is Keim in Kentucky again.

906
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 10: And my.

907
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 9: Theory on the Jemmine Ramsey case is that potentially somebody

908
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 9: in her family, maybe not mom dead or brother, but

909
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 9: somebody closely related to her.

910
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 10: They were writing the ransom. There was two people.

911
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 9: The one downstairs accidentally killed her and they ran and

912
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 9: left the note still not thinking twice.

913
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: So maybe so meaning let me just by the way,

914
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: thank you for the back. So meaning like a close

915
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: person in their circle, maybe a family member or friend.

916
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: They were going to take her for money.

917
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: They were going to get some ransom, and they were

918
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: writing the ransom note two of them. One was writing

919
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: and then the other one was like, you know, tending

920
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: to their victim in this case. And then she got

921
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: killed and then they scooted. Is that the theory, That's

922
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: what it sounds like. I never even thought that angle,

923
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: but that makes that's an interesting perspective.

924
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 5: And what that also takes into account is that that

925
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 5: rather odd, not rather odd, totally odd number of one

926
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 5: hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, which again was how much

927
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 5: doom Beany's dad had gotten as a as a bonus,

928
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 5: I hear.

929
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: It's a tough one. It's tough, but it's a tough one.

930
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 5: One other thing about that, though, because also it was

931
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 5: pointed out in the documentary that we all saw and

932
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 5: obsessed over, was that anyone who indeed was in the

933
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 5: house would have seen like that fact that that dad

934
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 5: got one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars.

935
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: It was literally right out.

936
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: There, so anyway, meaning there may have been some bank

937
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: statements or some information or with the work that was

938
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: on the counter, So even if you were an intruder

939
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: or somebody or a worker at the house or someone

940
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: who was delivering mail, you may have seen. Because those

941
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: are the two big ticket items that I'm not alone

942
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: in this. It's the specificness of the one hundred and

943
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: eighteen dollars that was loaded in the ransom note kind

944
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: of a random amount. And also, you know, this is

945
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: very infamous, so I'm not saying anything particularly riveting here,

946
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: but the pad, the notepad that had Patsy's handwriting with

947
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: her to do list, and then under that sheet you

948
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: could see the other sheet which had a half a ransom.

949
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 6: It's the start of the ransom at trial run.

950
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: It has always been a tough one, right, So it's

951
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: one of those things that just let's assume that whoever

952
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: did this dastardly horrible thing grab that notepad, right and

953
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 2: they did a test run and pulled the paper out

954
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: of that pad. It had nothing to do with Patsy.

955
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: I believe that the family was not involved. In my heart, Yeah,

956
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: that's anything changing.

957
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 6: At one point I felt that way, and now I've

958
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 6: completely gone full circle and completely I'm behind the dad.

959
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 6: I think we need to find this person because there

960
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 6: is someone or or two people out there right now.

961
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you know Patsy was never involved and died,

962
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 2: and you know she was a cancer survivor multiple loss

963
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: her her beautiful sweet daughter also her you know step

964
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: daughter that's you know, unimaginable tragedy and survived the cancer

965
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: and then died with a broken heart. I would have

966
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: to assume it's not okay, which is why I think

967
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: it's so important that we talk about it.

968
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, did we have another one.

969
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 11: Let's go to it, Yes, we do one second here, Yeah, I'm.

970
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: Sorry, Red Moon, Red Moon, Red Moon.

971
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 6: I forgot where I was.

972
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: She's back to the Red Moon, though just a little aside.

973
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know why this is popping up on

974
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: my Instagram. So this might say more about my crazy

975
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: brain if my algorithm is presented in what is showing

976
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: up in my instagram. But here we are a lot

977
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: about the red Moon keeps popping up, which I do

978
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: not know anything about. I am not an astrologist, nor

979
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: do I follow it. But allegedly the red moon is

980
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: very important. It's very sacred, and you're supposed to make

981
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: your wishes, you're supposed to manifest what you want to

982
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: see happen. There's some sort of a nine to nine

983
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: to nine thing that's very significant.

984
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 6: So okay, so today's maybe nine, got it.

985
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 5: It's okay, So Stephanie, since you mentioned it, this is

986
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 5: not guys anyone.

987
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, guys, astrologer coming in hot, bring it.

988
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 5: So only because of you I look this up and

989
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 5: the nine to nine is which we of course realized

990
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 5: September ninth, nine to nine, but then twenty twenty five

991
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 5: five two two as up to nine.

992
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: So that's so.

993
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 5: That is today, and it's super significant because in numerology,

994
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 5: if that's your type of thing. It represents completion, transformation

995
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 5: and new beginnings.

996
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: So I love that.

997
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: I don't know into this he way, Courtney Armstrong, thank

998
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: you for engaging in my silliness and some of the

999
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: nonsense that.

1000
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 6: I started out throughout the day giving it.

1001
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: A deep dive of research in a little bit about

1002
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 3: the redpoon.

1003
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: Not that we're seeing it, but I think we all

1004
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: should collectively. Anybody listening, please, let's all take a moment

1005
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: and have some rebirths, right, some new beginnings.

1006
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: We all deserve it, and let's make it awesome.

1007
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 6: Let's make it awesome.

1008
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: Let's make it awesome.

1009
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 6: Let's make it awesome with a talk back.

1010
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 12: Hi, ladies. Leah in Australia. I'm just on the John

1011
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 12: Bennet Randy case. I know I've brought up before the

1012
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 12: New Orleans Unsolved podcast, but one of the recent episodes

1013
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 12: from earlier this year actually found a connection between a

1014
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 12: pedophile ring in New Orleans and John Benet Ramsey, so

1015
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 12: definitely worth a listen. Really really interesting evidence that she's

1016
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 12: gathered there. Thanks.

1017
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that's interesting.

1018
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 6: Beyond that's fascinating that that's the first I've heard about

1019
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 6: that one.

1020
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: What's the name of that podcast again, New Orleans? What

1021
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: we should definitely promote.

1022
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 6: That, Yeah, I mean, yeah, we're gonna have to dig

1023
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 6: into that one. What is this one unsolved podcast?

1024
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 11: New Orleans Unsolved.

1025
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: New Orleans Unsolved. Yeah, that's that's a great suggestion. I

1026
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: haven't yet, but we all should and encourage everyone to

1027
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: do so.

1028
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I'd love to give that a listen. Thank you.

1029
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 3: I love listen talkbacks. We love talkback Tuesday.

1030
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 5: We look forward to it for six days out of

1031
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 5: every week, and tonight was a little bit of an anomaly.

1032
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 5: But Lisa Bryant, obviously we had to have time to

1033
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 5: come as the expert to all things Ebstein, which is

1034
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 5: just like now is the time. Now is the moment

1035
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 5: to make a push. But yeah, these talkbacks, keep them coming.

1036
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 5: Or if you want to call and join us now

1037
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 5: eighty eight three one crime Like, we're so happy here

1038
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 5: in the studio, but without body, it's like a little lonely.

1039
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 3: Helped fill the void.

1040
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 5: Give us a call and otherwise let's go to another talkback.

1041
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 9: Hey guys, I just finished listening to the Crazy and

1042
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 9: Love podcast and I listened to your episode on the

1043
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 9: Carrie Farvar case.

1044
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it, by the way, but I just

1045
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: have a question for you guys. Was Carrie's body.

1046
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 7: Ever found or do they have any idea what happened

1047
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 7: to her body?

1048
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 13: Thanks, have a good night.

1049
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 6: I am not up to speed on that case, but

1050
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 6: I do remember hearing you guys talk about a little bit.

1051
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: Oh this is maybe my favorite.

1052
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 5: So Crazy in Love is a podcast that we did.

1053
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 5: You know, Stephanie, you well remember the fifty two episodes

1054
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 5: that Katie Studio has put out.

1055
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 3: Of Crazy and Love.

1056
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 5: Yes and yes, each of these stories told it was encapsulated.

1057
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 5: It wasn't you know one season Deep Dive. It was

1058
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 5: fifty two different stories and they all stemmed from love.

1059
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: Taha, love gone wrong. I like love gone real long.

1060
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: It all sounded like a story book at the beginning,

1061
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: and somewhere along the line it turned deadly exactly.

1062
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 6: The same different so I can I can jump around

1063
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 6: to various ones.

1064
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: That is a fifty two different cases of love that

1065
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: ended in murder as bad as I guess the next

1066
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: until two hours. It's a fifty two hours straight marathon. Taha,

1067
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: no sleep for you.

1068
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 5: That's right, love and it is. It is shocking the

1069
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 5: amount the lengths we all as humans will go to

1070
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 5: or can be driven to for and by love.

1071
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 6: Well, tell me about this carry love makes you crazy?

1072
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 5: Okay, this one, it was a whirlwind romance started as

1073
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 5: a casual hookup and then suddenly boom, Carrie Farver. She

1074
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: meets a guy named Dan Krupa, and it was a

1075
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 5: real simple fling, sort of Tinder style. It was nothing

1076
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 5: serious and lasted literally only a couple of weeks, and

1077
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 5: then Carrie Farvar appeared to vanish into thin air and

1078
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 5: she sort of broke it off with Dave Grupo. She's like,

1079
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 5: you're not moving forward after two weeks, I'm done with you.

1080
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: And they were only together for two weeks, just like

1081
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of a red flag. So if we

1082
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,479
Speaker 2: were red flagging in hindsight, two weeks with a line

1083
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: in the sands, it's.

1084
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 6: Crazy, that's right.

1085
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 5: And as I tell you a little more, Stephanie, you

1086
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 5: are going to remember this case.

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Speaker 2: And I already remember, yes, so you know.

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Speaker 5: And and then text start to the guy Dave Krupa,

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Speaker 5: so he is getting literally thousands of texts. During this time,

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Speaker 5: he meets his on again, off again girlfriend and then

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Speaker 5: she as well is getting threatening texts from the girlfriend

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Speaker 5: who was there for only two weeks. So I think

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Speaker 5: you asked a very specific question and you asked if

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Speaker 5: carry Farvar's body was ever found. But if it's cool

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Speaker 5: with everyone here, I would like to make a decision

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Speaker 5: to do this as a full segment because this deserves it.

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Speaker 3: Answer. I remember, I know the ending.

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Speaker 2: Let's not spoil it. A deep dive, incredibly heroin case

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Speaker 2: it was, and I mean it deserves it.

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Speaker 5: It's got catfishing, it's got gas lighting, it's got manipulation.

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Speaker 5: It's a love triangle gone freaking nuclear. So anyway, thank

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Speaker 5: you for that talk back, and we will be answering

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Speaker 5: your question.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening to Crazy in Love. We lived that podcast.

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Speaker 2: You can get it on iHeart fifty two episodes.

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Speaker 8: We lived that for a very long time. That like

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Speaker 8: was probably a year of our lives.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the music is imprinted in my brain. I

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Speaker 3: can't even tell you because we edit all that. You know, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we really tried hard on that. It really was. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, it's so nice of you to say that,

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Speaker 2: and we hope you'll listen.

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Speaker 5: We hope you'll listen, and Taha, you definitely I'm going

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Speaker 5: to be.

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Speaker 3: It's right in your allity taha. This is like hook

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Speaker 3: line Sinker. You're the target audience.

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Speaker 6: Look forward to. So yeah, I'll be listening to that

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Speaker 6: one and all fifty two.

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Speaker 3: All fifty two week week and point you to it.

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Speaker 5: Although it's funny, of all of all the podcasts, Crazy

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Speaker 5: in Love, I've had quite a few people because it

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Speaker 5: is hop in, hop out.

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Speaker 3: It's a great drive to work.

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Speaker 6: And then it was my favorite. Yeah yeah, see.

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Speaker 3: Some people like longer, some shorter. It's all but listen.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully you like listening to talkbacks, because we have plenty

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Speaker 5: more to come on this talk back Tuesday, so keep

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Speaker 5: it here.

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Speaker 3: After the break, there's more.

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Speaker 2: Can we please remember Tomorrow is finally the Unknown Number Conversation. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: the thing I don't like about this little screening party.

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Speaker 3: That we have going on here is that.

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Speaker 2: I gotta wait so long to talk about it. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna start watching the night before because it's too hard

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 5: So sorry, but that's the second part. Stephanie, you have

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Speaker 5: to true crime and chill, I know, chill, keep it

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Speaker 5: here true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: And listen, it's talkback Tuesday, so we get to hear

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Speaker 2: from you. So we want to get through as many

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Speaker 2: talkbacks as possible. So if you want to join the

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Speaker 2: convo live eight eight eight three one crime, or let's

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Speaker 2: go to the next talkback.

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Speaker 10: Hey, getting This is Tiffany from Kentucky. I just wanted

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Speaker 10: to say that I have never felt more seen than

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Speaker 10: I do not know. I was terrified by the Lambs

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Speaker 10: as a triumph. It messed me up and I can't

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Speaker 10: even get to say I truly thought it could never

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Speaker 10: happen in a place in time where I existed. I

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Speaker 10: appreciate the work you gave. Thank you for keeping it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Tiffany, Oh here's some of it.

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01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 5: But yeah, So what I was listening so close and

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01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 5: she said was she's never felt so seen by a

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Speaker 5: group of women she doesn't know by being terrified of

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Speaker 5: watching the Silence of the Lamb.

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Speaker 3: Tiffany, that I mean.

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Speaker 5: I I saw it, however, many thirty no way more

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Speaker 5: than that whenever it came out terrified.

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Speaker 6: When was it?

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Speaker 2: Hands down, it is hands down the scariest movie ever

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm with you at Courtney, though you mentioned

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Speaker 3: it last night.

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Speaker 2: The night vision section of that movie is actually too

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Speaker 2: much for me to even think about in this moment. Wait,

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Speaker 2: I think we work in true crime in some ways

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Speaker 2: because of two movies, Shawshank Redemption and Silence of the Lambs.

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Speaker 2: Like my DNA changed from both of those movies.

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Speaker 6: Interesting, I can see that. Yeah, well, I'm with you

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Speaker 6: on Silence of the Lambs, Like I think that one

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Speaker 6: in particular, like really got me fascinated in true crime.

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Speaker 6: But I didn't know that about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shawshank Redemption I think was an extraordinary film and

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Speaker 2: if you haven't seen.

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Speaker 3: It, you should definitely watch it.

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Speaker 2: Is it's just a look at the other side of justice,

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Speaker 2: right and you know prisons and life behind bars. Listen,

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01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: watch that movie. You'll keep it on the straight and

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Speaker 2: narrow real quick. But really powerful stuff.

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Speaker 3: Have you never seen it?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Is that possible?

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01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 6: No, No, I did see it. Yeah, it was excellent.

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Speaker 6: But I was just saying, I'm surprised or if fascinated

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01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 6: that had such an impact on Stephanie. But it was.

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Speaker 6: It was a pivotal change for a lot of us.

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01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 6: But the Hannibal Lecter, like everything about him freaked me

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Speaker 6: out and scared me. When I first saw that one though.

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Speaker 6: Now I've worn that as a costume for Halloween and

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01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 6: it still seems to scare people, just that it's very man.

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Speaker 6: I can just wear that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, scary when she was walking and the

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Speaker 2: click click behind her when she had to get her

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Speaker 2: courage up in her little blue shoes. Oh and you're

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Speaker 2: cheap blue shoes. That's right, so unbelievable. And okay, do

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Speaker 2: you want to know how demented my mother is? Because

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Speaker 2: they're kind of out to Betty. Shout out to Betty.

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Speaker 2: Raise them tough.

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Speaker 5: So in the summers, I used to work whatever I

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Speaker 5: worked late jobs.

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Speaker 3: I was babysitting.

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Speaker 5: I'd come home at sort of eleven twelve o'clock, and

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Speaker 5: then I had to get up for another job at

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Speaker 5: six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: So I was very tired.

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Speaker 5: My mother, knowing I was going to come home and

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Speaker 5: literally pass out in my bed one night, she put

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Speaker 5: under my cover, knowing you pull the cover back before

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Speaker 5: you go, and the cover of Time magazine was just

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Speaker 5: Hanniballector's face.

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Speaker 6: She did that, what, oh god, do you know?

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Speaker 3: Like I feel it now?

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Speaker 8: My watch is telling me my heart she watching from

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Speaker 8: a different room.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like hilarious gat she just knew what happened.

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Speaker 3: But that's the kind of that's funny.

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Speaker 6: I like her, I met her, but I love her already.

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Speaker 11: Rap.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that is very very funny what we see where

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Speaker 8: you get your humor from hysterical.

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Speaker 6: We can go to another talk back bring it. Yes, Hey, ladies,

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Speaker 6: this messages for body.

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Speaker 7: Body. I'll watch the documentary Don't f with Cats and thought,

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Speaker 7: you did an amazing job you're to take These skills

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01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 7: are unbelievable, and that you track this guy down halfway

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Speaker 7: across the world by just analyzing small videos that he's

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Speaker 7: sent in.

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Speaker 3: You did a wonderful job. And I just wanted to

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Speaker 3: let you know that. Oh yeah, I second.

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Speaker 5: That second and third and underlining bold and listen even

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Speaker 5: though Body is not here, as we know, she's listening,

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Speaker 5: and I actually believe she's listening. I might have hinted

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Speaker 5: when I was away, I'll be listening, but you don't.

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Speaker 3: Chance it was actually a zero zero zero body.

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Speaker 2: I hope she's not though Body should just be able

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Speaker 2: to step away.

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Speaker 3: Murder.

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Speaker 2: And boy did she do an extraordinary job on Don't

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Speaker 2: f with Cats? Of course, and gets to be, you know,

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01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: doing that extraordinary job with us. It is such a

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Speaker 2: fun thing, and I hope she's having I hope she's

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Speaker 2: dancing on a table somewhere.

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Speaker 5: Ye machine on red cowboy boots, champagne being.

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01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: Served chilled as we speak. Plus a martini. What's an

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01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: espresso martini in a wake?

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, we'll put that one to the side, so

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 6: in case she didn't listen, we'll play it back for

1249
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 6: her so that she can hear how much everyone loves her.

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Speaker 5: So right and listen if anyone out there, because these

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Speaker 5: talkbacks they come in quick. If you want to leave

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01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 5: us a talk back, you just go to the iHeartRadio app.

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01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 5: It is a free one, and right at the very

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01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 5: top of the True Crime Tonight page you press on

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Speaker 5: the little button in the upper right hand corner. It's

1256
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 5: a microphone. You leave a message and you are on

1257
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 5: the show. Or as always, call us eighty eight three

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01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 5: one Crime. But in the meantime, shall we go to

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 5: another talkback?

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 6: I'm strong, let's do it.

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Speaker 12: Hi.

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Speaker 13: I'm Cynthia from Phoenix. I'm a huge fan of the podcast.

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01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 13: I listened to it all the time on the Graveyard Shift.

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01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 13: I'm not sure if you guys have talked about this yet,

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01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 13: and maybe I might have missed it, but I wanted

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01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 13: to bring up the Netflix documentary Unknown Number the High

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01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 13: School Potfish. I just saw it and I was absolutely appalled.

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Speaker 13: I know it's very popular right now and everybody's kind

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Speaker 13: of talking about it, so I just wanted to know

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Speaker 13: if you guys have seen it and hear your guys' thoughts.

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Speaker 13: I don't, like I said, I don't know if you

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Speaker 13: guys have talked about it already, but I'm really interested

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Speaker 13: to know what you guys think on that.

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Speaker 6: So thank you, bye, sister. Tomorrow is the night, one

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Speaker 6: more day.

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Speaker 3: It is so hard for me to not jump in on.

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Speaker 6: It's only twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, man, Oman, do I hear you, sister.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like you have strong feelings about it.

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01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 5: I have strong feelings aside from the Red nine nine

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Speaker 5: moon tonight talking about not talking about our Netflix and

1283
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 5: chill Tomorrow night is all Stephanie wants to do.

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Speaker 3: That way, I had to hear about it. We're going

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01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: in the elevator today. I had to heal. Everybody has

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 3: to hear about it.

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01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: It's not yeah, I'm going to only watch Netflix. No,

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01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch our True Crime and Chill on

1289
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 2: Tuesday nights because holding it is just brutal.

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Speaker 6: It is hard. Maybe that's the best. That's probably the secret.

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01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 6: Just do it a few days before so you don't

1292
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 6: have to wait. But it is this particular but it's

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Speaker 6: hard because maybe we should do it on Mondays because

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Speaker 6: we watch on the weekends. Okay, I like.

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Speaker 2: It, just a suggestion. I want to screw up the

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01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: jam here. I know we have this on a tight leash.

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: But I love it so much and I like the

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Speaker 2: homework and I want to excel at my homework.

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Speaker 3: But I watch it on the weekend and.

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Speaker 2: Then I gotta not talk about it for far too

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Speaker 2: long with the people that I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: about it the most.

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Speaker 6: I hear you, and it is so huge even I

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Speaker 6: think on the View they were talking about this particular documentary,

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01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 6: so it's it's like, oh.

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Speaker 3: I turned it off.

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01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 2: I didn't even watch the view I saw them talking

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 2: about it because I knew.

1309
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 3: I would be screaming out the television. I feel raged

1310
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 3: over Yeah, I really do.

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01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 8: Well.

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 3: I am so excited for Netflix and Chill tomorrow. I

1313
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: don't excuse me. I True Crime and Chill.

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01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 6: We're actually more stressed than we are. Chill, but we'll

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 6: get to it. We're going to get to it soon.

1316
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 6: I can hold off just a little bit longer, so

1317
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 6: we should probably move past that.

1318
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 3: We all watched it.

1319
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: Though I would like to do a gut check, So Adam.

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01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 6: And okay, that's right, Salmon, Adams.

1321
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: Salm and Adam, have we watched yet?

1322
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 11: I have not watched yet, but I will watch it.

1323
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 11: I've been seeing ads for it on Instagram. I don't

1324
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 11: know if they're listening to me, but all of a sudden,

1325
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 11: I'm getting ads for this documentary.

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01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 2: Still listening to you, yest news is out for the

1327
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,759
Speaker 2: back of the room. They're listening, and maybe they're also

1328
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: monitoring you and collecting all of your personal data as

1329
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 2: we speak.

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01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 11: Well, they're recommending me great documentaries because of it.

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01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 13: So.

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01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 3: It's worth fair enough exactly. And again, gentlemen, have you.

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 6: Watched I have watched it, and I will tell you.

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 6: One of the pluses for me was it's only like,

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01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 6: I think, an hour and a half, Like it felt

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 6: really truncated and quick and it was easy to get through.

1337
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 6: So Sam, Adam, you'll zip through it. But it is it's.

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01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 8: One of the neither of you have watched yet, gentlemen

1339
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 8: in the control room, all this nodding, everyone's putting their

1340
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 8: heads down.

1341
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 3: Yet we have you know fair enough you can. I

1342
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 3: haven't watched it.

1343
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 6: Okay, well to the end.

1344
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 3: And you've watched as well. No, oh, you're gonna know.

1345
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: You were Listen.

1346
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 5: You were top of the class, you were front of

1347
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 5: the class, hand up, and you did your homework expeditiously.

1348
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: So two weeks in a row, I did it. Yes,

1349
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 3: you did.

1350
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: I felt the Amy Bradley thing that was going on

1351
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 2: way too long.

1352
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 8: Although that my interest is Pete, her brother, her brothers

1353
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 8: keeping it alive for me.

1354
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 2: I thought his tweets, but I know, I'm I've outraged.

1355
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm outraged by an unknown number.

1356
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 3: Yes, but I will.

1357
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 6: You will watch it, Courtney, Okay, of course I will,

1358
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 6: all right, because we're going to dig into that one tomorrow.

1359
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 6: So I'm looking forward to it. And I'm actually this

1360
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 6: is a little sneak peek, but I'm looking forward to

1361
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 6: our next doc because it involves I guess that I'm

1362
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 6: super excited about talking about with you.

1363
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 3: So has a big reveal.

1364
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 8: He's also hanging around me trying not to talk about

1365
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 8: something for days like having I've always said the worst day.

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01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 3: Hear it for me? You know, we have a very

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 3: big thing to discuss. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Tomorrow.

1368
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 3: Why are we watch? But it is a really big one,

1369
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 3: you know it?

1370
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 6: So we're going to keep that quiet.

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01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: I actually break it out of you. I was like,

1372
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 3: I can't hear you say that one more time?

1373
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 14: You know.

1374
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 2: Like he's like a little glitter in his eyes too,

1375
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, I'll tell you later.

1376
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 3: He does you love a secret? You love a surprise?

1377
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 5: I mean early days at the show and you'd want

1378
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 5: to I'm like, are you trying to Jerry Springer us?

1379
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 7: Like?

1380
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 3: What is?

1381
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 6: But in this case, this is one that I think

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01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 6: you'll appreciate. Everyone will love this. We'll dig into that

1383
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 6: one tomorrow.

1384
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 3: But that's so good, it's so good.

1385
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 6: I feel like we should segue into another good talk

1386
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 6: backcause Sam and Adam have their fingers on the button.

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01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 11: It okay, So I'm gonna make you guys talk about

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 11: a crime right now.

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01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 15: Hey ladies, it's Ampley calling from Canada.

1390
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 12: Hi.

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01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 4: One case that I've.

1392
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 15: Never noticed I've gotten a lot of coverage or sorry about.

1393
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 15: The perpetrator was Stephen Paddock, the mass murderer who killed

1394
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 15: all those people in Las Vegas. I'm wondering if you

1395
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 15: ever found out if they knew why he murdered all

1396
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 15: those people anyways, and a few would also be a

1397
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 15: case that you would consider covering. Thanks so much.

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, that's a great case for us to cover.

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01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: I don't think that's known information, but we're going to

1400
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: find out real time.

1401
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 3: I know this goes against us knowing all the.

1402
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: Answers to all the talkbacks, but the boys slipped one in.

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01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 2: We actually I don't know. I don't know the answer

1404
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 2: on that one. I don't know the why either. I

1405
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,879
Speaker 2: remember it so clearly, and.

1406
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 6: To how we've said before, we've been introduced to cases

1407
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 6: that we don't know the details of and brought them

1408
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 6: to light later in an episode. So I think this

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 6: is one I'd love to dig into and find Will.

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01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 3: We dig into that next week for sure? Absolutely?

1411
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 5: And then to the rotation, Yeah, I had to really

1412
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 5: just also remind myself who Steven Paddock was and he

1413
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 5: was the mass murderer in the twenty seventeen Las Vegas shooting.

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is horrible.

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01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 5: Shot at twenty two thousand cons here goers, and so yeah,

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01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 5: it's worth seeing what was behind that thing we all

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 5: remember I did.

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01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do recall that one. So yeah, I'm making notes.

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01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 6: We're going to have that one come up in the future,

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 6: and I think we might have time for just one

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01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 6: more quick one. So okay, let's see what we got here.

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 3: Hi, ladies, this is Gina from Nebraska.

1423
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 10: A huge fan of the show.

1424
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: I love the work that you're doing with law enforcement. CC.

1425
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: What's the biggest ethical challenge you face in that space?

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 5: What a great question I have to imagine. She's referring

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01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 5: to CC Moore. Thank you very much for the thoughtful

1428
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 5: talk back we just had CC Moore on She's you

1429
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 5: said it best. Stephanie the basically godmother of genetic.

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01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 3: Geology, genealogy. Yeah, she is.

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01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 8: She's like the actually the.

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01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 5: Woman of the moment, undoubtable, readoubtable, all of it, and

1433
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 5: the ethical questions people fall really firmly in one of

1434
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 5: two camps. What let's see to boil it down, I mean, basically,

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 5: it's that someone could be captured by a crime when

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01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 5: otherwise they wouldn't, that there isn't direct evidence. It's the

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01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 5: fact that there is evidence of familial So a father,

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01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 5: a second cousin out there who did say, you know,

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01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 5: some kind of testing and that.

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01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 3: Sounds story testing.

1441
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: So essentially, you know you unknowingly put your DNA into

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01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,480
Speaker 2: one of those third party tests and ultimately that catches.

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01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 5: A loved one and it catches a loved one or

1444
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:40,520
Speaker 5: catches a perpetrator.

1445
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 3: That's right?

1446
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: Which one should we go to next? Do we have

1447
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 2: DMS or talkbacks?

1448
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 3: A call? What do you think? Kids?

1449
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 6: Actually, Courtney was whispering something earlier.

1450
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 5: Okay, I've been bending. He's trying to say, please stop

1451
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 5: talking to me about this and I will talk to

1452
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 5: you and everyone listening. Luigi the musical is back in

1453
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 5: the news. Oh it's crazy Making at Luigi Mangione and

1454
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 5: it is a tale of love, murder and hash Browns.

1455
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 5: So Bill Maher was just talking about it. There is

1456
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 5: a new run. You say crazy making, Tell me why, Stefan.

1457
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: I think it is so wildly inappropriate that Luigi Mangione,

1458
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:32,520
Speaker 2: a man who has murdered someone in plain sights, allegedly, allegedly,

1459
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 2: allegedly on the streets of New York with a ghost gun,

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01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 2: who is now serving time waiting for trial behind bars

1461
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 2: potentially looking at a death sentence that we are applauding

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01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: that because he's super cute, he's handsome, he's traditionally handsome.

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01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 3: But like, why would we celebrate this? Why would we

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01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 3: ever do a.

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01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:56,919
Speaker 2: Musical to celebrate something that's happening in the it's a musical.

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01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 3: There are high kicks and songs.

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01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 6: I think it's all and I will a little bit.

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01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 3: Of a parody almost. It makes me a little upset.

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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the CEO's family like how they must feel

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01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 6: the person who has murdered his family has to hear

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01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 6: and dancing and yeah, that's it's awful.

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01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:15,440
Speaker 3: It's a musical.

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01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 2: It's like legitimately singing and dancing. And also I think

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01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: I fear listen. We work in true crime, so this

1475
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: is not a soapbox. I just think we all work

1476
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: in true crime, and we all listen to true crime

1477
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: together as a community because we're curious when we want

1478
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 2: to solve things and you know, you know, hopefully help

1479
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 2: each other and look at things from a different lens

1480
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: and you know, see those red flags in our own

1481
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 2: lives through others. This is just a blatant celebration of

1482
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 2: a killer. See I couldn't disagree more strongly. Oh my goodness, Armstrong,

1483
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 2: let's go toe to toe.

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01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 6: I love it.

1485
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 3: It's satire and satire is so important.

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01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 5: The it's really it is to put a mirror up

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01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 5: to our celebration of him, because, as you said, he

1488
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 5: is so beautiful in this. But satire is South Park

1489
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 5: is satire, and Catch twenty two and Doctor Strangelove like

1490
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 5: these are all.

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01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: Imp cannot compare Luigi Mangione the Musical to south I mean,

1492
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 2: South Park is riveting and brilliant. Give me a break.

1493
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,879
Speaker 2: That's a side thing that is so clever and smart.

1494
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: The only excerpts that I've seen of Luigi the musical,

1495
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 2: which appears to be making a big comeback. So perhaps

1496
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: we should all get tickets and feud about it after,

1497
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, like it's so yuck that we are again

1498
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 2: celebrating somebody who might inspire others to do nasty acts

1499
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 2: like this, because they too can get a satirical musical

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01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 2: made about the.

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01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 3: See I have to.

1502
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 5: I mean it's I have not seen the musical obviously,

1503
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 5: and maybe honestly I would to see it, and I

1504
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 5: can have an informed decision that way, but knowing at

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01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 5: least the intent. The intent of it is absolutely the

1506
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 5: opposite of glorifying violence. It's really it's posing deeper questions about,

1507
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 5: you know, our disillusionment as a public with institutions, how

1508
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 5: viral stories are consumed, how someone being handsome makes you know,

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01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 5: people throw themselves. So I don't know, I happen to

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01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:25,520
Speaker 5: be particularly I find satire to be really, really important.

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01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 5: So we'll see this.

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01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 3: I do satire police. I know you a long time.

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know this is hill you were talking. This

1514
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 3: is the hill you die on.

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01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: Okay, my, the many issues, but listen, I would never

1516
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 2: want to steal your satire court.

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01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 3: But if you say it's okay.

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01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 8: I agree, Well, but can we not have a better musical?

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01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 3: Honestly? I mean, like it's an open case. Even his

1520
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 3: even Luigi's family is going through it. Enough. Yeah, now

1521
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 3: that's fine for eye kicks.

1522
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 6: Now did Bill Maher have to.

1523
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 3: Say about it? Because I did not see that.

1524
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 5: I caught it so quick and then we had and

1525
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 5: then we had to come and do our job and

1526
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 5: be on the show that I missed it.

1527
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 3: But because I had said.

1528
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 5: Up like Bill Maher's even talking about Luigi the musical,

1529
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 5: So I will report back, but it's you know, people.

1530
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 6: Are Maybe I won't judge it as harshly until I

1531
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 6: see it, since it's satire, but I mean, it just

1532
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 6: feels like he's getting too much attention between that the

1533
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 6: modeling ad campaigns.

1534
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find crazy, all of the lookalike contests. I

1535
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: just fear that other people listen. We're working on a

1536
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 2: podcast right now too, which is dark. And you know,

1537
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 2: I think some of this stuff, it can be celebrated

1538
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: and therefore repeated by you know, lonely weirdos who want

1539
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: to be famous and would love a musical made about

1540
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: them and love to be in the conversation and love

1541
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 2: to be at the tip of everybody's tongues.

1542
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 3: And you know, that's dangerous stuff.

1543
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 2: And I worry for that a little bit, specifically around

1544
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 2: Luigi h.

1545
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 3: I mean, you know that is fair.

1546
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 5: It's also it's so complex because that is the point,

1547
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 5: is that the six obsession does exist, and it's like,

1548
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 5: why does it exist? Why are we as a society

1549
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 5: because this guy is good looking obsessed with him? So

1550
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 5: it's complicated. I hear both of your points so much.

1551
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 8: And I have to be heated though, and I agree

1552
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 8: with you. No, no, no, you don't, he says, go listen.

1553
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 7: I do.

1554
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 5: Apparently my literature teachers back in the day.

1555
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 3: He taught me at the.

1556
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 8: Comedy store on Thursday scouting. This is a special poetry

1557
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 8: satire the reading by Cornel Armstrong.

1558
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 6: But I do you to disagree? I feel like the

1559
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 6: in between I'm gonna get.

1560
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah.

1561
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 6: Well I have a DM that I'm curious to see

1562
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 6: if you agree or disagree with this one. This one

1563
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,480
Speaker 6: is from Spencer and it has to do with Marilyn Monroe.

1564
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 6: And he says, Hey, ladies, Spencer from Florida. I'm catching

1565
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 6: up on the podcast and just wanted to chime in

1566
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 6: on the Maryland thing. I've heard compelling evidence that she

1567
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 6: died because she had two doctors administering her drugs and

1568
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 6: one and on that faithful day they hadn't communicated, so

1569
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 6: she got both doses when she should have had one. Also,

1570
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 6: there's some weird stuff with her maid washing sheets and

1571
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 6: cleaning up, and the cops weren't called for hours after

1572
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 6: she died. I think her publicist came to the house

1573
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 6: first and broke the window to find her body. Boy,

1574
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 6: Spencer really has a lot of info on this.

1575
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: But by the way, Spencer, we have to call. We

1576
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 3: should wake up Betty. We might have to wa Will

1577
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 3: she answer if we just keep ringing?

1578
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 6: Will that be like an emergency.

1579
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 3: Not one that would go over well?

1580
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 2: I mean, I know she doesn't want to be woken up,

1581
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 2: but I feel like she has a lot to say

1582
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 2: about it.

1583
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 3: She'd have a lot to say.

1584
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 5: And what listen you do? Thank you very much for that,

1585
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 5: informed DM. And yeah, like all of those things are true.

1586
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,799
Speaker 5: The hours that went by, and there were multiple doctors.

1587
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 5: If I ever called correctly or maybe my mother told

1588
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 5: me this, but one of her last two phone calls

1589
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 5: was to a one of her psychiatrist.

1590
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 3: I didn't, but she I'm pretty sure.

1591
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 5: She was, you know, at the very least crashed on

1592
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 5: booze at that time. And he was like, clear your head,

1593
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 5: take a drive because she's like, I'm so upset.

1594
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 3: So times are different, Yes, I mean drive so.

1595
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 6: Question.

1596
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 2: Then I was always under the impression again for my mother.

1597
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 3: That she was left to die.

1598
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 8: So yes, she would maybe popping some pills and drinking

1599
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 8: too much and the combination was lethal.

1600
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 3: And then she called out to loved ones, maybe a.

1601
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: Kennedy, maybe an assistant, maybe the maid and or the

1602
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 2: psychiatrist or a psychologist and basically said like I'm scared,

1603
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: and they didn't call authorities or an ambulance and let

1604
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: her die.

1605
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 6: Oh no matter. Grizzly thought, Yeah.

1606
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why I always was under that impression,

1607
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 2: but I have my Now my opinion is different because

1608
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: of Joseph Scott Morgan. I think there's an enema discussion

1609
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: that I think is pretty eye opening.

1610
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 6: That when I found fascinating, like the way that the

1611
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 6: drugs got into her system now makes you question everything

1612
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 6: so well.

1613
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 5: Also in what he said that that at the time

1614
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 5: and his name escapes me, but the forensic pathologist who

1615
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 5: is now a giant in the field, was very young

1616
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 5: at the time and he said I was being squashed

1617
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 5: by higher ups to say don't do the extra test

1618
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 5: and basically stop poking around. That's enough and he couldn't

1619
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 5: do is just so like what does that speak to?

1620
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,879
Speaker 6: Sounding similar to certain things happening very much this week alone,

1621
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 6: So so yeah, it feels like there's something weird, someone's

1622
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 6: covering something. There's a lot of suspiciousness with that one.

1623
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 5: But let's all with this red moon. See now, Stephanie,

1624
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 5: you talk about drinking your cool.

1625
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 6: Wad, I got it.

1626
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 3: I just have been talking about the kool aid.

1627
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, it's that blood red moon has

1628
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: been but it's been at the tip of my tongue

1629
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 2: all day.

1630
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 5: But I want to wish cover ups away, like let

1631
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 5: us all collectively try and free ourselves. Yeah, covering anything up,

1632
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 5: there's nothing more dark and stressful.

1633
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 6: That's a good one. I think that's if anything, Like,

1634
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 6: let's all be more transparent. Everyone just be honest and

1635
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 6: say what's going on, and hopefully that all, I don't know,

1636
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 6: clear up a lot of this craziness that we're seeing.

1637
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,799
Speaker 6: But I think we might have time for one more.

1638
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,799
Speaker 3: Talk about before we get as relast.

1639
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 14: Okay, hi, ladies, I'm Nancy from Atlanta. I Marty left

1640
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 14: a message and I know you guys get a ton

1641
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 14: so I do understand. But I really would like to

1642
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 14: know what time the podcast starts so that I can

1643
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 14: interact with you guys.

1644
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:26,440
Speaker 2: I love Nancy does not get your first message, I'm sorry,

1645
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: I'm going to go through.

1646
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 3: That's not the case.

1647
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 6: I'm sure we did. But to answer her question, at

1648
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 6: the podcast is available five am the very next day,

1649
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 6: So but the unfortunate thing is she can't interact with

1650
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 6: us on the podcast because it's not we won't be

1651
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 6: on live at that moment. So but you can listen

1652
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 6: to the show the night everything that we've played the

1653
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 6: night before at five am the next morning.

1654
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 2: You know this is a fair distinction. Can we just

1655
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 2: like lay out one quick thing too. We are two

1656
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: hours a night live, meaning you can call into the

1657
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 2: show live as a caller and chit chat with us

1658
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 2: real time. That can happen five nights a week, Sunday

1659
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 2: through Thursday. Additionally, after the show stops after that two

1660
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: hours live, then there's a little bit of lag time

1661
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 2: and the podcast comes out, which is basically just a

1662
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: recording of the live show. And although you can't call

1663
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,440
Speaker 2: into the podcast live, you can still.

1664
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: Leave a talkback.

1665
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 2: You can still leave a message at eight eight eight

1666
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 2: three one crime because we get them and we'll play

1667
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 2: it on the show the next day, so you'll be

1668
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 2: just one day behind in terms of your interaction. So please,

1669
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 2: it seems like that we get a lot of talkbacks

1670
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 2: after hours.

1671
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 3: We do.

1672
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 5: There's one other there is even another option, Stephanie, and

1673
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 5: I'm really am glad. First of all, Nancy I'm so

1674
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 5: glad that you put this talk back in because it

1675
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 5: is something that we get a lot of, Stephanie. But

1676
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 5: everything steph said with the talkbacks, with the calling and

1677
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 5: leaving messages. Also, if you do want to interact live,

1678
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 5: we are on stations if you have the iHeartRadio app,

1679
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 5: which is free on your phone, We're on multiple stations live.

1680
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 5: So one that comes top of head is New Orleans Voodoo.

1681
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 5: You don't need to be in New Orleans to listen

1682
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 5: to it. So basically, you go to New Orleans Voodoo

1683
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 5: and you click on that on the iHeart app and

1684
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 5: you will get what plays live. You will then hear

1685
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 5: it whatever time it is your time. It will be

1686
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 5: ten pm New Orleans time. But that would be the

1687
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 5: way to listen to it live. But I've just put

1688
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 5: myself asleep, Nancy.

1689
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 6: I hope that this can you.

1690
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 3: But that is the other way, and then you.

1691
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 6: Can call I love it no, no, because wait.

1692
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: If you're listening to it, say, for example, on the

1693
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 2: New Orleans even I don't understand this honestly, but like honestly,

1694
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 2: you can liten to it in different cities even if

1695
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 2: you don't live in that city.

1696
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 3: Exactly, for example, you can still call.

1697
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 5: And okay, so we just they sent a couple of

1698
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 5: other ones out thea being Adam and Sam. Thank you guys.

1699
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 5: So another one is ninety nine The River. So I

1700
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 5: did this. It sounds complicated, it actually isn't. I did

1701
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 5: this when I was on vacation, legit. I was at

1702
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 5: the airport one night and I listened.

1703
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 3: I listened live. So yeah, ninety nine point five. Were

1704
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 3: you missing Taha more or me more?

1705
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 4: Oh?

1706
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 16: Don't, Joy, It's okay, She's just like blink now, oh god, okay,

1707
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 16: I got a double weak.

1708
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 5: Okay, you see what you want to see.

1709
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 6: Taha.

1710
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 3: I made those weeks pretty even.

1711
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 6: She's good, it's clever, that's remember. So yeah, I like

1712
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 6: you how you broke that down so you can listen

1713
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 6: to it, I like on ninety nine point five The River,

1714
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 6: and then you'd be able to call in to the

1715
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 6: show and join us there that way, if you're listening

1716
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 6: to it live, that's fantastic. So now Nancy, you can

1717
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 6: be a part of it with us.

1718
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 3: I'm incredibly confused by all of it.

1719
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 5: Oh you know what I want to be grateful for

1720
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 5: is that neither of us run the ten on anything.

1721
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 3: If we were saving Adam, Oh.

1722
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 5: I'd be pulling wires out of the wall. I'd be

1723
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 5: talking into empty pipes. I'd be I would be so

1724
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 5: entertaining that.

1725
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 3: Brush. Yeah, brushes right, can you hear me?

1726
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 2: Well, listen, we have a big night tomorrow because we're

1727
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: doing a big safety night tomorrow also, so I can't

1728
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,799
Speaker 2: wait to discuss that too, So make sure you're with us.

1729
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 3: And it is true crime and chill.

1730
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: Finally, we're going to be talking about a known caller,

1731
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 2: a NO number, I should say, So make sure you

1732
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 2: have the night in the morning to watch if you

1733
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: haven't already, this is true crime tonight. We're talking true

1734
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 2: crime all the time. Big thanks to Lisa Bryant for

1735
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 2: being with us. You guys, stay safe out there, Have

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Speaker 2: a great night.

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Speaker 6: Good night,