WEBVTT - Ep. 328: Test My Meat 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.760 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.319 severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by first like creating proven versatile 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.040 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:36.160 every hunt first light, Go farther, stay longer. Alright, eybody, 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.279 this isn't a podcast anymore. It's not a lab if 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.120 if that, if that wasn't true, than explained this to me. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:47.920 Why do I have this lab coat? Because you're official Jice? 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.960 Jessice got his lab quote on We Now as promised, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.480 we have taken as promised the previous episodes, we have 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.880 taken possession of and we didn't get an industry deal 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.760 on this expensive yeah, our very first piece of meat 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.480 lab equipment. Did they even cut us a deal? Cran, Well, 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:14.120 they cut us a deal? Oh wow? Seriously? Alright, so 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.160 we still got thousands sunk into this, but I'm gonna 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.480 give him a shot. Cut us deal from g R 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:28.200 Electric Manufacturing Company. We have the g R one? Do 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.920 we have that? And what one do we have? Chester 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:36.600 that one right there that you're looking at, but the 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:41.560 one fifty two? Ah? Or do we have both? I 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:47.560 think that. I think that it's both the same like machine, 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:53.360 but the Warner Bratzler this mechanism here where it actually shears. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.960 Oh that's I think so, but I'm you know, I'm 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.720 not on that. Okay. So here we're running the what's that, Sean, 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:09.400 You sound real qualified? Yeah, exactly. Hey, we're running the 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:15.760 g R and the Warner Bradsler shearing machine exclusively distributed 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:21.280 by Tall Grass Solutions, Inc. Out Of Manhattan, Kansas. And 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.080 what this is is when someone comes and tells you 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.000 I shot a I shot a bucket. It was so tough, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.240 my white you the dog wouldn't right you. Uh, we 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:35.280 can now put a numeric value to to wild game toughness. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.239 Call him out on it. Chester the tester has been 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.840 so he's back at full circle. Yep, that was That 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.280 was your first nickname, right, it was? So he went 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:54.440 from Chester the Testerster was first. Well, I gotta tell 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.840 your story with a quick second. Kimmy Warriners here, Jimmy, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.280 you know how tonight we were supposed to eat um 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.040 at the Timber Bar and Big Timber. But we're not 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:08.680 going anymore. We're gonna eat at my house. One day, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.680 I barely knew Chester and me and Chester driving down 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.120 the road with my kids and we're going we're out 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.080 beaver trapping and we're going to get a bite to 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.280 eat at the Timber Bar. It's called the Timber Bar, right. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.720 It's next to the Grand Hotel in Big Timber, So 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.800 it is the Timber Bar. Yeah, it's got a great 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.519 neon sign, barely New Chester. And I'd order taken to 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.200 calling them Chester the Molester, So I would say, well, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.440 everybody does, right, just do you? You don't like the story. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.720 It's a funny story, it's a great story. The nickname 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:49.160 really you know your store because mom doesn't like it. Listen, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.280 this is the last time I'm gonna tell the story. Okay, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.880 tell the story. Yeah, tell it fire away, Steve, I'm 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.880 saying to him, well, everybody probably calls you that, right, 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.960 like I just saw. I thought every Chester on the 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.160 planet went by that name. He says, well, no, it 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:09.520 actually never really happens. So we walk into the Timber Bar. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.320 Outcomes the chef who wants to say hi. Mid fifties 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.560 mid fifties woman. Yeah, probably she comes out and say hi. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.840 I say, we like do our greetings? I say, oh, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.839 these are my kids, is my friend Chester. Imagine like 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.440 a nice Midwestern type looking but in the rocky, but 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.760 in the northern rock She she do just as well 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.359 in the Midwest. I say, this is my friend Chester, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:42.559 and what does she say? Chester? She says Chester the molester. Chester, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.919 like seconds after he told me no one calls him that. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.240 Then I knew he was lying. I've only heard that 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:56.839 one other time and from a jud So we go background, ma'am. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.640 Then he became Chester the Investor when he got heavy 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.320 into bid coin sold his bitcoin and became Chester the Divester. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.280 Then he became Chester the Midwester, which is a favorite 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:13.200 of mine. Now back to cheddar ch. Now back to 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.400 Chester the tester, because he has learned how to run 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:22.479 our wild game. It's our meat, tenderness, cheerful. He was 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.800 also a Chester that um, no, he was investor, and 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:32.680 now he was Midwestern Uncle Chester. It was investor, divester, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:38.440 Uncle chesty. Okay, it was brad Leoni named him because 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.000 Brad was I was. I was telling I was inviting 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.440 Brad to to pal paid Chester's packs. And when he 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.320 this is after Chester was had spent his whole life 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.279 rowing a boat. He was a professional fishing guide. So 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.760 he had to roll that damn boat all day and 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.039 he was saying how his pecks were getting depleted after 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.480 leaving that business, so I quit the quit the rowing 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:07.359 and lost aspects and started a lab here back to 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.160 chest of the testing. Now he's back to chest of 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.120 the test. The Warner brass or Sheer machine. What we're 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.039 gonna do this is gonna be an ongoing project like 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.240 we already have in the lineup. We have odd Dad, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.480 which is universally regarded as like the toughest game meat. 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.599 Not doing it right now, but everybody that has an audient, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:25.839 I'll tell you how tough it is. So we're gonna 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.120 do an odd Ad. I tried elk at my house, okay, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.159 but we're gonna do it again here for everybody, for 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:37.599 everybody to listen to. We have a feral bull in 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.520 the lineup. Yeah, collected by one Cody Ferrying out of 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:47.239 New Mexico, and listeners can just send in how should 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.279 they do it? You know, we always making up those 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.640 email addresses that we got like fuck up old taxes, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.520 Jermy at the meat eater dot com. Yeah, we could 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:01.120 do like test my meat. Okay at the meat eater 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.680 someone better. Okay, can you take a note to tell 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:08.640 the those guys that make that email address for test 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.280 my meat. Okay, send an email. We'll make sure it's 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.640 you can we make sure this is real by the time. Okay, 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.880 there's a neat it doesn't it? Okay, as you're listening 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:25.240 to this, this email address exists. Test my meat. I 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.280 feel so bad for Corey. Test my meat at the 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.080 meteor dot com. Please make it legal. Oh no, no, here, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.160 let's do this. And what is the normal email address 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.920 meat eater at like meat eater at the meat eater 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.720 dot that's the normal thing. Okay, let's not make a 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:47.480 new email address the subject line, subject line, subject line 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.360 in all caps, test my meat. That way, Corey will 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:56.120 see it and he'll know to instantly forward it to Chester. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.040 Are you Are you going to be able to manage this? No, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.240 as I can guarantee you know, I mean to a 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.559 certain extent. Yeah, okay, not during the tournament season, Steve, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.480 not during the tour. But you send an email says 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.920 test my meat, and then you make a pitch and 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.200 Chester will weigh at scientific merit with his backward hat on, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.480 with his backward hat on as he'll put his goggles 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.480 on and read your email, and he will weigh the 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:28.520 scientific merit of the meat, and he will decide whether 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.520 he'll accept a sample. If he accepts a sample you 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.640 fired off in the mail, Chester, have we and you'll 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.800 get your own custom reading. You'll get your own custom reading. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.720 So when people say, when you say this meat is 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.480 this buck was so tough? In fact, it was a 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.840 five point two, have we set a scientific sort of 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:54.000 have we decided what scale is tough? What scale is tender? Chester? 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:55.960 Because he read all the manual. Okay, all right, so 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.720 we had that. I'm handing it over to Chester, now, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:02.040 Jester explained the machine. Sure, So, um, it's a sheer 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:07.079 force test and you basically core out. Would you take 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.760 a little core sample out of whatever you want to test, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:14.959 Whether that's a peep, which will that's a marshmallow peep? 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.240 Save that? Yeah? Save that? Just do it, do it 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.199 your own way. But people know what to explain what 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.840 you mean by a peep? Yeah, not one of your friends. No, No, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.840 this is a little easter This is a little easter 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:32.600 bunny that if anybody had easter baskets growing up, your 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.400 mother would put some little yellow or purple Easter bunny 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.240 marshmallows in there. YEA a kind of didn't know. It's 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:45.520 sparkly wild berry peeps. Sparkly wild berry um. They're really 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.679 really good toasted like a toasted marshmallow. Just a little 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:54.520 tip for everybody. Uh. But so we're gonna test the 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.240 peep and it should be pretty tender on this tenderness scale, 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.880 which is an international scale. Yeah, and we're doing we're 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.560 doing some simple things that everyone is very familiar with, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.320 just to set to help set the scale correct. And 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:11.160 it's in kims. So let's say we test out this 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.920 peep and it ends up being around a two that 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:19.520 is tender. Let's say we tested this peep and it 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.720 ended up being around a four that is acceptable. Let's 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.600 say we tested it out and it ended up being 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.520 a six, that'd be one tough peep. Here's my here's 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.760 a question about the scale, because you're I feel like 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:37.640 you're doing there's two things happening with with how you're 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:43.080 treating the scale. On one hand, it's like you're you're 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:51.120 you're assigning an objective number to meet tenderness um, which 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.520 is which I applaud. But then for them to say 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.720 that a four to three is acceptable. Then you've entered 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:03.199 into subjectivity. So they're taking an objective scale but interpreting 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.040 it subjectively, which is annoying to me. Well, in grading meat, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.479 I think they do that, Like if they're testing a 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.760 way Goo beef steak and they get a four, they're like, 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:19.160 you know, that's that's accepted, Like we can still send 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:23.320 this out, right, Yeah, I'm with you, Like the market will. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.200 It's like the market will accept the market will accept it. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.920 It feels somewhat. That feels that's feels somewhat it's subjective, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.840 but it's also relative, like and I think that's what's 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.720 important about it is that it's relative to other carcasses 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.600 of the same species. So you're testing a bunch of 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.840 beef next to each other and and sort of grading 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.120 it against one another. So it's your lot, what's that? 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:49.160 It's your lot? So yeah, four cattle that come in 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.200 on the same truck from the same place, then I 0:11:52.200 --> 0:12:00.679 could see testing one, right, But it's still we're dealing 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.160 with individual animals here for sure, And I think that's 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:04.719 what we're I mean, I will see, but I think 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:09.000 we're gonna see like drastic differences between same species individual animals, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.600 and the peep isn't technically a species. The peeple Like, 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.839 I think we're gonna have a fairly universal reading regardless 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.319 of what color peep we actually run. This chess is 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.160 gonna quarter the peep out. Okay, uh, now explain one, 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.800 explain one more thing you. Here's the part that I 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:28.520 didn't recall because I watched people do this in the 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.240 lab with a with a breed. They were breeding wag 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.080 ou cattle with limousine cattle, and they were testing the 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:41.480 carcass attributes. I remember them cutting a little plugs out, correct, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:46.200 But I forgot that. You then go and uh stick 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.320 the plug in the machine. I thought it was measuring 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.400 the forest required to cut out a plug, but the 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.920 plug is just preparing the sample. Correct. Um. Do you 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.480 want me to get into that talkers, Yeah, I think 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.760 you should walk us through doing a peep before we 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.120 get into some what we're gonna do today, because we're 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:06.920 trying to milk this out because it was so expensive. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:12.040 If we if this machine was like we'd probably use 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.320 it this today and never talk about it again because 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.600 it was so damn expensive. We gotta do this. We're 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.240 gonna milk it out and slowly test up so later 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.160 when we look at the machine, we won't be like 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:29.440 else stupid. Yeah right, so we're just gonna get rolling today. Yeah. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:34.439 So let's this, This little peep doesn't have muscle fibers. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.480 If he did, we want to make sure we're taking 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.920 up as accurate of course samples as we can, so 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.480 they're all very uniform and similar. But it does not 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.720 matter that much with this guy. For this meat, for example, 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.840 you want to be taking the course a core sample 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.400 in parallel with the grain, so when you're you stick 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:04.600 it in the machine, you're sharing it perpendicular across the grains, 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.400 so you get an even tests. So so you're cut 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.760 you the machine is like, yeah, it'd be like if 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.360 you're slicing a roast up and your nice passing through 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.559 your probably when you slice the roast up, your knife 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.120 is passing through cross grain correct ye, And a lot 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.080 of the times when you bite into it you potentially 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.360 be biting cross grains. So that's why they have it 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.240 like that. Um. Another key thing to factor in when 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.600 we're doing these tests, as you have to cook the 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.640 meat evenly. Let's say we had an elk sitting there 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.640 and we had an antelope sitting there. You want to 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.240 make sure you're between them. You want to make sure 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.080 the center of that meat is cooked the same or 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.480 else you're not going to have an accurate test. And 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.520 then you have to let it sit in the fridge 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.600 overnight and kind of let things settle and harden up, 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.560 and then take your core samples. You'll get a better 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.560 core sample that way. So when you when you folks 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:03.560 out there start sending uh meat to Chester, um, we 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.560 will be do it. We'll do this exact procedure. If 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.920 you accept the sample, you'll like, couldn't do a certain temperature, 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.280 let a chill overnight, right, and it'll be it'll line 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.800 up with the same treatment every piece of meat, correct, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.480 any signed, any science stuff. You want to make sure 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.200 you're doing everything the same way, or else you're gonna 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:32.440 get really varying results. You know. That's what I always say, Hey, 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.720 what's cross grain on a peep? That's what he's saying. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.720 He's were just just to set the just to give 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.360 people a because everybody has had a peep, so we 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.160 can't do that. But we're gonna give people, for instance, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.160 a peep is blank, and then we can march from 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.240 there and start testing once we have like a we're 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.360 just trying to establish a baseline with people off a 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.880 universally recognized substance. So I'm gonna cut cut this peep 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.480 up here, and it's like Easter coming up. I'm not 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.680 gonna use is the core sample? Can I interrupt you 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.400 real quick? I'm in a bit of hot water. Ah, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.640 Wisconsin kind of screwed me because they made youth Turkey 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.560 season on Easter. I didn't check to I just like 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:19.239 made the trip for my kids, like with minus their mom, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.200 and then it was pointed out to me that it 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:30.200 was easter. Yep, hot water. I can get a lot 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:38.240 of people pointed out to get a very nice way. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:43.640 I've heard it doing a lot of work. Well, should 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.280 we go for it. I'm not going to use the 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.600 core sample for this, just because I don't want to. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.240 I don't want to get it all to do the meat. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.720 So we'll just use the knife here, just just cutting 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.920 the man. If you thought people were miffed that we 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:03.640 did a whole thing on flint and napping without being 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.520 able to see what we were talking about, that same 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.760 crowd is going to be miffed about this Chesters slicing 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:16.040 up the peep It's stuck to his glove. It's stuck 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:21.040 to his lab coat because he's got his goggles on. Yeah, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.280 this is getting more and more scientific. About a minute, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.640 he's cut the core. Can you can I see the cord? 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:29.879 Can you hit me the court? I want to describe 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:34.400 the cord to people. This thing is sticky, so I'm 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.320 afraid it's gonna affect the results. Yep, just give us 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.480 bad reading. If it doesn't work, we'll clean it up 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.199 with some rubbing alcohol. That's a lab type thing. I 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.920 was looking for it, and then we'll go on to 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.000 the whitebread. So the core that he's Chester has looks 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:57.480 like a shotgun choke. It's got the textured and textured 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.119 like a shotgun choke. But it's just a cylinder, a 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.199 sharp cylinder, and I think that's about a centimeter right. 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.959 Once you say cal cut a centimeter plug. Yeah, your 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.200 machine on, it's on. It's ready to roll. There's this 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:15.480 emergency shut off buttons. Okay, if things go to hell. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:17.840 If things go to hell, Chester is gonna punch that 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:22.040 emergency shut off button. Chester. I don't want to panick you, 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.560 but your knife is kind of in the way of 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.359 that emergency shut off, so we could end up with 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.840 another accident. You're gonna just discussed workers complement a moment again. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.920 You're already gonna be in some dire situation and then 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.439 go to hit that and then gash your hand further 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.120 on your knife. Okay, so it's loaded up. Chester will 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:44.960 now hit Wow, that is a real serious emergency shut off. Breath, Okay, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.920 hit the do we want to take a few peep 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.720 core sample tests so we get a mean no, no, 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.760 I see Now that was the most scientific thing I've 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.479 heard all Day's gonna throw the switch? He threw the switch. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.399 It's sheering what this thing runs at a hell of 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.800 a pace. If you blinked, you'd be able to wait 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:10.280 and then still see it. So that is point five 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:16.680 six ms. So if people know a peep, if you're 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.840 trying to describe to someone, Let's say you're trying to 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:24.479 describe to an alien who's never had a peep and 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.960 you'd say to him, yeah, it's real. Uh well, let 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.880 me just tell you it's a point five six jester. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.720 How scientific is it to eat the sample as you're 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.080 doing the test. I've done that because that's what that's 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.800 what he's come on. You ever been in a lab, 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.000 That's what you do when you're done testing a material. Okay, 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:46.919 so peep is point five six Chester. Do you think 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:48.480 we should move on to the bread or just go 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.600 right into a prong horn? Oh? I want to see 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:55.280 white bread. I think we try bread. The bread will 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.560 cleaned some of that peep out of the just a 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.440 quick well, no, here's a quick tip for people. I've 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.320 been doing it lately and it works phenomenally. Well. You 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.560 know when you're grinding. When you're grinding uh burger m, 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.720 you get done and there's always that right. Then you 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.879 go to clean it and you always have that handful 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.080 that then like the next morning whatever, make a patty. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:20.080 You know, you don't know what to do with it, 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:24.320 right because it came out in the end, uh or 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.760 like stuff and sausage into casings, you always get that 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.840 little bit of bulk stick some old bread there. The 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:36.119 fire down the whole and it pushes out what's left, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:37.439 and then when you clean it, you just got some 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.040 old bread in there instead of having like more ground meat. 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.400 You gotta deal with yep. What do you think about that? 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.640 What do you put in there. But what's that said? 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.120 What are you putting there to get the old bread out? 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:55.040 Piece of meat? Then you got yourself a couple more eggs. 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.440 And some people don't realize it, but that's where the 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:01.160 sandwich came from. The sandwich something. The sandwich was invented. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.760 You need your core? Thank you? All right? Okay, Chester's 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.720 now taking a core sample out of a hunk of 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.760 Joe blow. Now when I said get bread, I was 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.760 pictured you can like white bread. You know. The problem 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.480 is I just realized you can't get a core off it. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.680 You have to get it pretty sliced. You have to 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.480 go to the wonderbread factory. And right before they don't 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:28.639 do it. Yeah, isn't it hard to picture? It's almost 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:36.160 like it's it's like it's like made slice yeah, cartoon yeah, 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:41.200 and spits out slices exactly. I can promise you the 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.480 people at the Wonderbread factory would be like they would 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:51.080 hit the emergency stopped button if you said, don't slice it. See, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.840 you know what it's like. He predicted the problem that 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.200 we were about to have. Now we guys, for the record, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.640 we have bread stuck in our course. Cutter. It's this 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:04.000 isn't made for bread when you're when you guys are 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:08.959 making uh sausage and you're running through the stuffer. Uh, 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.439 how do you get the final meat out of the tube? 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.520 Plastic wrap? What do you mean? You take like a 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:18.600 three ft long piece of wrap and you put it 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.280 down and the auger will pull it and it pushes 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.040 it through, pushes the rest of it through like on 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.280 a grinder or in the stuffer. It creates a little 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.320 ball and it pushes it out. I don't understand. I 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.840 don't know how to better describe. I do something that 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:37.399 I wouldn't do in front of anybody, Okay, where I 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.280 blow it through. Yeah, that's what chest I trying to 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.879 do with that. So but explain what you're talking about. 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:45.879 So we take a piece of like like your box 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.240 of plastic wrap you have, we're talking using this stuff exactly. 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.800 So we un crank it, you know, back up to 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.680 the top, and then we put a ball of plastic wrap, 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.199 like you just pull plastic wrap off the you know, 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.359 off the dispenser, and hours are pretty big, you know, 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.080 so it's like maybe wide, so it's twice as wide 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.320 as a home piece of plast crap. And we'll pull 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.520 like a three ft chunk, slice it off and throw 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.040 it kind of ball it up and throw it in 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.440 the stuffer. And when you crank it down, because it's 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:16.440 plastic wrap, it changes its shape and it will extrude 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.199 that last bit of me. Yes, and we do it 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.919 with the grinder too. So well when you're grinding me, 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.080 why you not knowingly because we've covered this like three 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:33.080 years ago, almost not understood. Then either sausage suffer even 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.240 if it's empty. I mean, if it's empty, there's nothing 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:40.200 to get out of it, Steve, because the two yes, yes, 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.240 because there's a pressure chamber is empty. Yeah. Yeah, they're 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:45.119 the air pressure behind it's gonna push it out. It's 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:50.480 right there, hot. Yeah, on your grinder. You gotta be yeah, 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.840 you gotta be on your game. Yeah, because you'll get 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.400 a little tiny chunks of plasts. Well, so with the grinder, 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.280 we we pull the front and pull the blade. So 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.600 we pulled the blade, eat off and then put it 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.400 put the thing back on and then run plastic wrap 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.280 through it and the auger grabs it and pushes the 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.159 rest of that meat out and same deal. Like mostly 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.760 it's air pushing exactly, It's just air pushing it out. Yeah, okay, 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:16.000 we're gonna check back in with chest with the tester. 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:18.600 We now have a ferry. Oh you got a course 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:23.359 sample the loafer briery. Not great looking course sample. Oh no, 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.240 what are you talking about. It's like it it looks 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.080 like a piece of like a goose dropping. Yeah exactly. 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.879 I mean it doesn't squishing it and making it more 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:35.240 dense like that, that'll affect the results. Man, well ship 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:41.240 fill down there. It's like, here comes Phil with his logic. Listen, 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:47.960 I got season my science class. I passed. Oh even so, 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.800 you know if you went and bought a really low 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:57.680 quality one dollar loaf, okay, so this is a loaf 0:24:57.800 --> 0:24:59.639 of what the what would they call that? They're not 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.520 calling it French? Are they calling it her French bread? Okay, 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:07.280 but at one dollar loaf of French bread at Walmart, 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:15.600 it is twice as tender as a peep. Now, I 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.359 just want to point out that we're testing the interior. 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.399 We're testing the bread guts. We're not testing the exterior, which, 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.399 by the way, is generally what people associate with the 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.440 toughness of bread is the crust of the bread, not 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:29.760 talk about the bread. You don't You don't hear people 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.560 talk about artists and bread, how it's hard to chew 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:33.720 and stuff like that. Yeah, I guess yeah, like a 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:41.880 Sheboygan hard rolls. I think a very regionally specific piece 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.760 of bread. That's what I had in mind. So the scene, 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.520 the scene is now set, and we're ready to just 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.800 concentrate now extrictly on game meat for the red for 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.760 the rest of the life of this machine. Eight. Just 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.560 so you know, you've all had a loaf of French 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.479 bread before. A loaf of French bread comes in at 0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:03.520 point to seven. Toughness, A peep comes in at point five, 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.720 six or eight, I think toughness. So we're not documenting 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:12.320 these numbers. We can scratch that down because someone scratch 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.520 that Phil, What are you doing down there looking for 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.800 a pen? I got it. I feel like it should 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:20.840 be like in a document now exactly. We need a 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:24.119 spreadsheet because you know what, whoever can said, should we 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.720 whoever sends in the Chester the toughest piece of meat 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:33.240 wins a prize. Oh boy, And don't get creative and 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.440 send in like your homemade jerky. By the way, like, 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.000 don't because we can't do we can't do exactly. You 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.760 gotta send in the hole muscle roasts. Yeah, or or 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:45.320 we should do like whoever sends in like a specific animal, 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.800 like the most tender white tail. We'll give a prize 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.760 for the most tender meat that comes in and a 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:55.160 prize for the toughest meat that comes in. What about 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:58.399 a trophy? Are we a petrophy? It's gonna be raised 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.800 on a farm of my bad? Yeah, well no, we 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.560 just got It's gotta be an honesty system, you know, 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.400 because you gotta submit. You gotta pitch Chester on your 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.679 meat when you say test my meat. Good picture of 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.639 the animal would be nice. It would be interesting to 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:16.280 test farm raised game animal versus truly wild ones. At 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:20.920 some point you just uh, you know, like go out 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:25.600 to Uncle Jeffson whack bambi in the alfalfa field versus 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.000 you're trying to do that to win the prize. Well, 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.480 I think just all these comparisons, right, once we build 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.240 up our data, this is gonna be oh right, I 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:38.040 think that's a great one. White tail home range of 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.000 probably like a mile born in May, killed in October, 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.760 lived on Uncle Jeff's alf alfa field. Probably never was 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.359 more than a hundred yards away from Yeah, from this 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:52.399 author the hedge. Yeah, what's he score? Yeah? Blueing teal 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.199 that hatches in July gets shot in September. That I 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.200 can't we got. I really am looking forward to doing 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.000 some duck. Were we at now? Chest? You're ready to 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:05.920 pull a corps? You guys ready for the official first test? Here? 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.960 We've been ready? Yeah? What what is it? So? This 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:16.520 is antelope? Steve gave it to me yesterday, pronghorn. It 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:25.600 was a medium buck. Did you run it for five miles? Him? Okay, 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.320 not know what hit him? He was eating and me 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:34.720 and my boy bushewa acting from a haystack. I had 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.360 no idea what was coming zero and didn't take a step. 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:45.240 That's good context. I can tell you this to yards. 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.880 Never took a step, didn't know what was coming a 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:52.960 medium sized box. So definitely a few years old. Uh, 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:57.200 opening day. His life was gone before the retoil recoil 0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.479 settled on your shoulder. Opening day? What was the day? Like, 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.360 what's the you know the date? August whenever the held 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:07.280 Montana's Antlope opener was last year? No? No, it's October 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.760 of opening of general fire open opening of opening day 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.200 of Antalope firearm, and we're gonna put down there that 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.239 it was drizzling, and we got to be clear. This 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.600 is a prong horn, which is a goat antalope, not 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.240 like a true antelope, because we're probably gonna test some 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:25.440 of those American prong horn commonly known and still known 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:30.080 by all Western regulations I believe as the antelope an 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.680 capra americana. Al Right there, you gotta thank you. So 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:35.960 that's this, that's the kind of science I've been waiting 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.440 for all This is a loin. So what we want 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.880 to do is typically you know, or all the time. 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:45.400 I know. I said it's a lab, but it's also 0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:51.400 still a podcast. Okay, So the muscle grain is going 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:54.840 to be running long wise long ways here on this. 0:29:55.560 --> 0:30:00.600 So we're gonna cut out one inch little cuts here, 0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.640 and then we'll take a core sample running parallel with 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.080 the grain, got it, And we'll do six of them, 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.040 and we're gonna test all six and who's gonna be 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:13.280 right in these? And then we'll come up with the average. 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.280 And that's how tender this guy will be. Are you 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:20.640 measuring your one inch cut? Uh? No, just jester, I'm 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:24.280 gonna say that. We'll do three do three. Yeah, because 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.640 when I was watching those people do the waygoo limousine 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:33.840 cow cross breed, they were doing three. Okay, he's slice 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.360 kind of get a slice that, Chester, I don't know. 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.600 It's give me a little thin slice. Why you cut that? 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:44.960 It's maybe hungry? Just pretty salt on there yet, I 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:48.320 have a little put a little salt. We have salt 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:53.640 on it. We're gonna talk about that. That changes right 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.240 now for you Chester. Do you wait? There is salt 0:30:56.320 --> 0:31:00.240 on it? No salt, no salt. Okay, so what we 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.400 got because we're only doing three, we only need to 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.240 make one of these cuts. But this muscle grain is 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:11.040 running kind of this way. So I'm going to take 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:18.680 course samples out of this being bam and booms. Exactly 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:22.200 is it normal to be able to wipe your hands 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.920 on your lap coat? That's what it's there for. Jesse, 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.000 you need a little poker to get your cores. Well, 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.280 he has a lollipop stick that seems to make a 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:36.200 legit poker. It's like true to the true to diameter, 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.160 so it shoves it out real nicely. Nice. Hey, this 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.160 is an important question. What kind of meat is this? Backstrap? 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:49.040 Otherwise known as loin specifically short loins. Do you know 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.480 when I was a kid, we didn't like we had 0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:57.600 we called it, we called the backstraps. There was inside 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.680 and outside tender loins, was the Norman Clay true and 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:03.840 my when I was a kid in Michigan. Right, that's 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.400 very confusing, the inside tender loins and the and then 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:10.200 people would call the the loins, the tenderloins, the outside tenderloins. 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.520 They still have that issue with um with pork loin, 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:17.960 like people consistently referring to it like as outside tenderloin. 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:19.560 Like that's how you end up with the tender loin 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.440 sandwich that's actually made out of a pork loin as 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:24.960 opposed to a tenderloin. In my opinion, that's the only 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.600 way to eat a tender loin, Like, I'd rather have 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:31.680 it smashed and fried. Right, there's like a pork chop, John, Yeah, 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:35.800 I mean there's no no real flavor there. There's not 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:39.840 enough fat. And if I'm eating a pig, I want fat. Yeah, 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:43.800 there can be fat, but unfortunately that's well that's a 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:48.400 whole separate lab based podcast. We discussed the fat content 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:55.760 levels of various and assorted wr Next Machine, Yeah, seventy dollars. Yeah. 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:57.840 You know, we were doing this house of oddities to 0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.520 to secure some land access, but now we're just gonna 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:05.280 use it to secure some m Okay. Chester is loading 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:12.080 in a piece of American pronghorn backstrap off a medium 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:18.160 sized buck bush whacked from a haystack. Never knew what 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:24.960 hit him. Two point seven I'm guessing, Oh that is tender. 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:30.240 That is some tender. One three three one market down 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:33.760 as one point three three. My elk was two point 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:40.240 five point three three dang no one point three Yeah, 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:41.880 that's what I'm saying. One point three three. That's the 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.480 first test, first ever test, one point three three. And 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.720 we're doing six tests. This is gonna do three off 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.240 this and you're supposed to do six, but I watched 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.280 them do three. We're gonna do three an average, and 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.560 then we'll log it. And and uh, Sean had interesting 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:02.440 that if a good scientific experiment about toughness go ahead. 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:06.440 About the geese, Oh yeah, it'd be great to have 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:11.440 banded birds. If someone would send in like a you know, 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.680 a confirmed banded bird. I can't imagine there would be 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.320 anything more tough than like a fifteen year old Canada 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.719 goose and you know it's fifteen years old. Then we 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.680 can run that through there. You might win, you might 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.960 win the trophy number yeah, oh, test number two here 0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:34.400 it goes. What So that was the one because that 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.680 was the one that was towards the outside. Let let 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.239 me explain it to people. So you know, when you 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.919 cook a chunk of meat, right, the inside is more 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.880 red or pink, the outside is more cooked. When Chester 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:53.959 ran his cores, he had one core veer over into 0:34:54.040 --> 0:35:00.720 the cooked into the roast, so to speak, and that 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:06.480 piece scored a what two two point two six, two 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:11.560 point to six, whereas the very rare middle scored a 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:17.879 one point three three. Right, wouldn't I mean, do they 0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.960 give you like a method to how you're supposed to 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.839 cook this? When I watched them doing it the lab, 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:25.640 they were doing it on these little electric grills with 0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:29.319 these real fancy probes, these temperature probes, and them real 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.480 specific about it, and they had lab coats. So should 0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:35.719 we not like back back this thing and suvia, Yeah, 0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.160 that's what I was thinking, that, like that would be 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.880 the most consistent way to tell. But if that's not 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:46.200 what they but because they don't say the jama octopus 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:52.000 t what what they say is it's a temperature thing. 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.760 If you can get the middle part of that meat, 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.120 like if it were an antelope and elk the same 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.840 And then let's say like this one I wrapped, seared 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:07.640 the outside, wrapped it in tinfoil, let it rast through 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.239 it in the fridge overnight. Um. But if I were 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.920 doing the elk, I would have got the exact same temperature. 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.759 I think SUV gotta be the way to go on 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.600 this because we could put a thermo couple through the 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:23.120 bag into the meat and actually check the core temperature 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:26.120 during cooking. Yeah, and then you can run a whole 0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:29.440 bunch of samples when they start pouring in. So now 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:32.720 we gotta get that. We gotta get serious vacuum steeler, 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.680 a thermo couple, Thermo couple, what I'm talking about for 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:42.799 that is like a we got a here goes one 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.960 four seven. So that was again more of the middle 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:51.040 there one point four seven the average sean one second, 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.600 We'll do one more. This was the outside, more of 0:36:56.600 --> 0:37:00.120 the outside. He can't stop. I'd be curious. What if 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:04.240 you put your finger in net hole and turn that on? Uh, 0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.520 you can try what would take to sheer? What what 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:09.560 it would take to sheer your finger. Well, let's see Steve, 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:13.799 how tough finger? Not that tough? And then we just 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.120 test each other's fingers to see if there's any variation. 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.920 He's bagging it up and he's loading number four in. 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:26.600 He's addicted man Chester, Chester are supposed is gonna be 0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:32.680 like just Warner Braxler's coming between us? Who is this 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:38.560 Warner bras? Learn why you spending so much time with him? 0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.120 That was like a little bit towards the outside of 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:47.960 one eight six sean? Okay, So the official score of 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:56.880 a medium buck American prong horn, not run around ragan, 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.640 not hauled around in someone's truck for three weeks while 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:04.320 shows everybody how big it is. One point seven three 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:11.239 is one point seven three. Cow's like, I want the 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:14.400 most tender part of my meat gone, please, Cow's holding 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.560 up a chunk of it with a hole cut through it. 0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:22.080 How is it? Yeah? Very but yeah, And just so 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.160 people know, empirically very tender? What was it score? Again? 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.120 One point seven three was the average? Okay? And when 0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:32.279 and I'll bet one point seven three is uh low 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.080 score would be regarded commercially as tender. And when you 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:40.160 eat it, you would say to someone, my god, that's tender. Yep, 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:47.239 that's nice. Agreed? Was it tender? Mm hmm? Okay, you 0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:52.239 guys got your mouth. So when's uh so, when's the 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:56.759 Warner Braxler Part one? Met eater at the me eater 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:58.680 dot com is that the website is that the general 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:02.520 Email me eater at the meat eater dot com. Send 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:07.080 in your pitch test You got your pitch to Chester, 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:11.279 subject line, subject line all caps, test my meat? You say, like, 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.440 what you got? Why do you think it's interesting? Why 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:15.480 do you think it's a contender for most tender or 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:19.799 toughest meat out there? And we will determine that, will 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.440 report back with what the prizes Steve should we ask 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.439 them to send that kind of relative information. We're looking 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:29.479 for hunting conditions, general thought on age of the animal size, 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.200 that kind of stuff. Yeah, and if it's accepted, we 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.680 might have more questions. And if it's accepted, we might 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:38.759 even have to do Phil's favorite thing, squad cast you 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.600 in to witness the testing of your meat. Test my 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:48.880 meat with Chester the tester. Oh, it's going into Instagram 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:58.000 bio now, Chester the Tester. Oh yeah, Chester is gonna 0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.680 wind up with a show on like A and EA 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:04.960 or called test my Meat Chester. Just imagine which scientific 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.040 journals we're gonna be able to publish this data and 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:12.279 down the road you're doing Chester. We're gonna move on 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:13.960 to other subjects right now. But I want to close 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:18.759 this segment out by saying that you're probably doing um 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:24.239 science that no one's done before. No one has. When 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.640 this is said and done, we'll have tested a wider 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:31.160 array of game meets from around the world and that 0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.000 no one no one's ever There's no way anybody's ever 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.600 done this. I better read a few more books about this. Yeah, 0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:40.359 I can almost guarantee. I don't know if you're gonna 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.520 find any books about this. None of the other to 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.440 resident on them while they were doing the test clients. 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:52.000 I actually did some some research on anywhere we can 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.480 get Chester an unpaid internship somewhere that does this. You 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.480 know what we will do for it's critical that it 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.359 be unpaid, doesn't Sully his opinion? We will. I don't 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.120 want to do that. That sounds like to complicated, but 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.840 we will do is. We'll get his lab coat embroidered. 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.480 Those are basically parallels and a big dragon on the 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:17.880 back just because we need you need to come up 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.239 with your own formula though, just to ensure that you're 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.720 doing everything the exact same and then your own note 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:27.839 taking as well. The reason why I we're just doing 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:32.640 one piece. But I would imagine because we already did this. 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:37.319 Let's say we get an elkin or that, um, what 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.520 is that wild beef that you got in New Mexico. 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.719 I'm I'm going to cook it the same way as 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.040 I did this. Yeah, keep it consistent, and so it's 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.200 all consistent. And I got a Matt Damon groove with that. 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.400 Somehow you look like Matt Damon Now I don't know 0:41:53.440 --> 0:42:03.799 what show with his backward hat and goggles. Yeah, I 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:05.839 think the su VI is the best way to get 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.240 it consistent. Listen, now, I got a bunch of armchair 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:13.480 I'm just people chest to do your thing, buddy. Yeah, Sean, 0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:17.319 who's doing the test over here? Yeah? All right, we're 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.279 gonna move on. But I got one, I know I 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.160 had one. I got another last thing to add him. 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.080 Here's why Sue vied might Here's why they might be right. 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:32.000 Because when we when we jam octopus tentacle in there, right, 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:34.640 you could also put that in the su vied for 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.200 at whatever town. Yeah, you can do it all at 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.920 the exact same time and then just snake the octopus 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:42.960 tentacle in there and pull it until it's tight and 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:48.160 then but then again like octopus, the way we would 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:50.400 cook it, or the way like Kimmy would cook it 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.800 or Kevin, they tenderized the heck out of it before 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.160 you'd eat it. So would I would I beat the 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.080 heck out of it like Kimmy does on on rocks 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:06.799 before I or Sean will make a separate document. Here's 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.000 how we do it. He's gonna make a separate it's 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:13.239 a separate research. It's gonna be that document is gonna 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:17.600 be called octopus various ways. Put one right out of 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:26.320 the ocean. Have can you beat one with rocks? Boil 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:29.359 the piss out of one right, and it will be 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.839 like like that's a whole different publication. Yeah, I think 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.000 I think that's that's like a lifetime worth of work. 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:41.759 And I think you can skip that. You can do 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.480 you can do a little bit of research, come up 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:54.319 with the mean temperature and duration of cook for octopus. 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:58.040 So you're hitting right in the middle, and I think 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:00.640 that would be plenty. Yeah, And you Ken just jammed 0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:02.760 the tentacle in there, because then you're testing surface tension 0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:11.600 as well. Mm hmm, oh, follow jamming it in there. 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:13.920 You don't want to jam it in yeah, because well, 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.719 the the outside of the octopus has a membrane on it. 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:21.120 That's substantially we're gonna. We're gonna for this publication called 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:29.239 Um Octopus Various Ways Eight Ways to Cook an Octopus. Yeah. 0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.600 I think we should peel the outer skin out and 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.759 then have Kimmy come out and she'll have to count 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:40.440 how many times she hit it with a rock and 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:44.960 just describe the general attributes of said rock. Do we 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.200 cut the tentacles off and then we start doing the 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:51.200 different things with a single octopus? Okay, one octopus checking 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.920 eight ways? Got it? This thing is gonna be too 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:58.680 much fun. Moving on, Thank you, Jester. We will get 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:10.440 that embroidered for you, buddy. Thank you. All right, everybody 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:14.640 moving on, a couple of announcements. So Outdoor Kids in 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.960 an Inside World the book we got a pre order 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:23.840 special we have. It's kind of hard to explain this. 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:25.400 This gets in a little bit of how the sausage 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:30.680 is made. When we did the book, Brody, we worked 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:34.040 on this whole thing. Those this this giant what are 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:35.600 you calling you add something on the end of a book. 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:44.160 I forgot dendem depend No, not in dependix addendum. We 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:51.080 had a giant addendum, uh, which was like recommendations, instructions, 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:54.680 insights about how to I mean everything about kids in 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:58.640 the outdoors, right, like like a great set of clothing 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.600 like gray all per this clothing that will if you 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.400 have it for your kid, it will cover you for 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:09.719 like of outdoor excursions with your kids. Stuff about kids, gears, 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:13.680 sleeping bags, all kinds of resources like different states about 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.000 how to get your kid, like what you need to 0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:19.799 do to for light fishing license purposes, how to get 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:23.040 like a great little set starter fishing kit. We built 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.040 this whole thing, and we're gonna jam it into the 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.520 end of the book. And I think that will I 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:28.960 don't want to say that because I'll kind of ruin 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.759 the incentive. Future versions of the book might include this, 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.600 but not now. It's not in the hardcover which launches 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:44.000 on May three. But if you preorder Outdoor Kids in 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:48.840 an Inside World prior to the launch date on May three, 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.839 so you got one more week to do this, you 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:57.960 will receive in the additional fifty page digital free resource guide. 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:03.000 Not digital free, it's digital. The fifty page digital resource 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:07.040 Guide for free chock full of additional recommendations and insights. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.600 They'll be emailed straight to you, so you're gonna you know, 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:14.200 you're just gonna give you the thing in digital form 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:16.799 because it's not going into the book because it's just 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:22.839 too much info. But it's like meticulously crafted info. Head 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.719 to the mediator dot com to find the announcement, which 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.200 guides you to the page where you can enter your 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:32.080 purchase information and register for free for the guide to 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:36.800 then be emailed to you. Another announcement, First Lights Omen 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:40.719 Rainwear is is available. This is I'm gonna keep this 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:42.359 brief because we have a lot of stuff to cover. 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:46.520 I was a big fan of First Light's foundry line. 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:48.000 I thought that was like one of the greatest things 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:53.399 ever happened to hunting duds. Um. The Omen rainware is unbelievable, 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:57.040 unbelievable rainwear. I spent a lot of time at this fall. 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.520 I took an a doll sheep on, spent a week 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.520 trodging around the rain and wet snow and uh Prince 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.520 Wales Island. Use it checking traps off my snow and 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:12.279 be on the winter. Very durable and just like impeccably designed. 0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.520 I think it's it's I'm not kid might say it 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:17.440 is the best rainwear I've ever had on my body. 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:22.000 The Omen Rainwear line out now. Cal tell them about 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:26.400 n w t F Turkey Trek surely, Stephen uh So, 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:31.680 National Wild Turkey Federation. If you're a spring loving Turkey hunter, 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:35.600 you got a lot to thank these folks for the volunteers, 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:41.760 the biologists, the whole organization. And coming soon we're gonna 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:47.160 be updating everybody on our you know, turkey season, and 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:48.799 we'd like you to do the same by using the 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:54.200 hashtag Turkey track and becoming a member of National Wild 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:57.319 Turkey Federation. If you do, If you go sign up, 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:01.919 you're gonna be eligible for some sweet prizes. But that's 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:03.360 not why you should do it. If you do it 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.080 for that, you're just kind of a freeloader. So tell 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:09.839 me again how they do how they sign up? Uh? 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.680 You sign up by becoming yeah you you You become 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.080 eligible for the prizes by signing up for a one 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:20.600 year membership at National Wild Turkey Federation. Got you, got 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:23.040 you and all of us who are going to be 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:26.120 out in the Turkey woods this this very near spring, 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:29.919 are gonna be talking about this and directing folks where 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:34.879 to go during this like campaign time, which will be 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.080 the end of April. Yeah, and if you love to 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:41.920 hunt wild turkeys, you owe a debt of gratitude to 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:47.279 the National Wild Turkey Federation, who, like I don't want 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.200 to downplay contributions of state agencies and all kinds of 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:53.640 other individuals, but the driving this is a fair state. 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.879 Would you say this is a fair statement work hand 0:49:56.880 --> 0:50:03.640 in hand too. They're people kiss away from being same 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.560 on a lot of these efforts. The n WTF in 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:10.960 large measure drove the recovery of the American turkey with 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:15.680 many partners funding expertise. If you look, if you like 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:18.120 the hunt turkeys, you owe data gratitude to National Ball 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:22.120 Turkey Federation. Uh COVID was hard on them because they 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.000 traditionally do a lot of events. They raise a lot 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.160 of money doing events, and when events got shut down 0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:28.839 it was hard on n w t F. It's kind 0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:31.680 of hard on their model. So all the support you 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.560 can give there. I spent a month hunting turkeys every 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.960 year or more and uh, you know, on and off right, 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:42.719 but phenomenal organization. Become a member. They put money on 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:48.080 the ground. Ah, great, great organization. The head of n WTF, 0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.800 Becky Humphries, has been on the show once or twice twice. 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:57.200 She's great. Lend a hand all right. Another announcement, Kevin 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:02.960 Ken Yeah, uh lab quote on yes, very serious, tybody 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.600 about saber Tooth. So, Sabretooth is, uh is a new 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.960 show that we're making. Um Chester has got his saber 0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:11.200 Tooth sticker on his on his computer. It looks good. 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.200 That was quick. Yeah, it's quick. We like to turn 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:15.120 around quick. Here, Steve, I just got mine. I didn't 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:16.719 even decide what to do with mine. It's going on 0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:19.600 your computer. I already picked it out. Um, Sabretooth is 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:21.960 our new show. The idea behind saber Tooth has been 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:24.239 it's actually today is a perfect day for this because 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:28.040 for years I have listened to Chef Friends, to just 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:32.080 Layman's Two Hunters tell me that the value of wild 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:35.759 protein of wild animals is below that of farm raised 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:38.040 They're not as good, you know, quote unquote, they're just 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.080 not so good. Like if you want really great meat, 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.400 you know it's prime beef. It's stuff like that, and 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:44.359 I've just for years disagreed and said, no, I don't 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:46.680 think that's true. I think it's just that you guys 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:48.759 don't understand what to do with it. I don't think 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:52.160 you understand the possibilities. And I referenced back years, like 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:55.280 you know, professional chefs in Europe, people like Paul Bocus, 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.520 the person who literally has had three Michelin stars longer 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:02.600 than anyone in the world. We'll pull farm raised duck 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:04.640 from his menu and put wild ducks on during the 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:07.720 season because he thinks they're better. And so my argument 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:09.480 has been that it's all in the eyes of the beholder, 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:11.080 and more importantly, it's in the eyes of the people 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:12.879 doing it. And so we decided to create this show 0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:17.040 Saber Tooth, really to kind of fill out what feels 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.719 like the obligation of Meter, which is to help people 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:23.040 see this entire experience of hunting and angling from the 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:24.840 start to the finish. And that doesn't mean that it 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.200 ends when the animals down or when you know, when 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.279 the fishes in the boat. It's that next part is 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:32.480 oftentimes for a lot of people, the hardest, and so 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.200 Sabretooth of the show designed around hunting and fishing, but 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.200 then we take it one step further and we really 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.960 show you just how far, um, just how far it 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.960 can be taken, you know. Culinarily, In the first episode, 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:46.720 we're hunting hogs in my home state of Farrell hogs 0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:48.920 in my home state of Georgia, and then we bring 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.279 them back to my restaurant, Gun Show, and we put 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:55.200 together a thirteen course tasting menu using Farrell hogs, large 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:59.759 mouth bass, white tailed deer. Yeah, man, gotta we have 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:02.279 a really big pond on this exact same property, and 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.359 so we caught a ton of large mouth, Like I said, 0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:07.200 we've got white tail. Um, we got some really cool 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.120 stuff and we just really throw down in this first episode, 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:12.680 and then subsequent episodes kind of change around, you know, 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:15.040 and the next one, h Jesse Griffith and I are 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:19.759 gonna be working with um um scimitar horned orcs in 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:22.480 Texas with Daniel Pruett. Did you know that cal and 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:24.680 I got the cuddle with Did you get the caddle 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:28.120 with it? I didn't want to bud him. There are 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:35.360 you and Korean cuddled a baby scimitar horned orcs? What 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:40.160 a calf? Bamberger Ranch preserve in Texas. They are doing 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:45.680 a captive breeding program to supplement a reintroduction effort in 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:49.680 Chad in Africa and the Sahara of the scimitar horned orcs. 0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:55.040 A female had just dropped a calf cow, but Kyle 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.919 had just dropped a calf and man, uh, they don't 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:01.759 want you to pick that thing up. They had to 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.120 pull up to it like picture, you pull up right 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:07.080 alongside it with a truck and then open the door. 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:09.160 So you've created like where you normally stand to like 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:10.759 try to take a whiz on the side of the 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.320 road and no one seeing what you're doing, right, And 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:16.719 and snagged the little calf up into the truck that way, 0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:19.040 So basically the same method you would use to abduct 0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:21.840 a child. You had to snatch him up van on 0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:24.560 the side, pop the door up and take a whizz. 0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:35.279 Don't have kind of same technology. Uh. And then we 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:37.000 got We took it into the back of the pickup, 0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:41.200 caddled it. Um. When you say cuddled, I think it's 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:44.759 heart was racing, But I read it as a call. 0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:47.640 I read it as a cuddle. I think he read 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:51.000 it as I think he read it that the calf 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:53.080 it was it was a bowl Calf. I think he 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.560 read it as um a near death experience for sure, 0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:00.920 and Crane kind of got like after she got second snuggle. 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:05.640 It was interesting though, because I didn't like the didn't 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:09.560 have the crazy eyes, no of like ultra fear and panic. 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:11.520 I think picked it up a week later, it might 0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:13.160 look a little different. There's a little out of it 0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:18.080 that's pretty cute. I mean, so, actually, I'm glad you 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.120 brought that up, because in that second episode we really 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.320 are kind of going down that path of explaining we 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:24.759 chose Simitar horned works on purpose because there is a 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:27.560 really interesting story about the fact that there are a 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:28.960 lot of people who are like they have no business 0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:31.759 being in Texas and that that's probably true, but at 0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:35.719 this point there's a really huge opportunity for reintroducing something 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:38.640 into its native range that would otherwise be extinct. Yeah, 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:40.680 we get we got into that. It was kind of 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.480 like they're nowhere right right, exactly exactly. But yeah, So 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:45.759 for folks who are fans of you guys run a 0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:48.080 Warner Brassler on that song, we haven't, but I'm gonna 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:49.640 bring some in. That one's gonna be on my list 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:51.520 because I think that's one of the most tender that 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:53.759 I've ever had. Well, we'll find out. We're gonna see, 0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:57.839 We're gonna see if it's better than American antelope. Did 0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:01.520 you save some backstrap tons? I not tons, but we 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:04.200 have some yet enough for those little cores? Oh for sure. Yeah, 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:05.920 I probably got a one ounce piece that we can 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:07.920 core out so perfect, since that seems to be all 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.799 we need for it perfect. But yeah, so for folks 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.680 who are fans of a you know, our meat eater show, 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:15.560 who are who are in it to watch hunting, you 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:17.640 still get that in Saber Tooth. But then we just 0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:19.440 take it and we kind of go a different direction 0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:22.080 with it and really explore how great this stuff is. 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:24.480 And my goal if if we do this show right, 0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:26.439 people are going to get a lot more excited about 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:29.320 learning how to be better cooks and to uh focus 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:31.000 on what they can do with these animals once they 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:34.320 have them. You're gonna do us another favorite and and 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:36.920 uh clear up some things we've argued about a handful 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:40.360 of times about brianing, Okay, what do you want to 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:43.200 do this? Yeah, let's do it. Man, Well, I had 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:47.000 a thing I can't here who else fighting with you. No, No, 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.399 you just said to me we were discussing mountain goats, 0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.480 and you said, don't tell me that brianing doesn't work. 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:54.960 And I said, it's not that it doesn't work, it's 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:56.839 just that it does something that I think people don't 0:56:56.880 --> 0:57:00.919 understand what it's actually doing. So you take a chunk 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:05.440 of Okay, it's St. Patty's Day. St. Patty's Day. Are 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.879 we gonna go corn beef brine? I mean that's okay, 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:11.279 let's use corn beef because something very different happens with 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:14.640 corn beef. Tell me more. Okay, all right, turn it. 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:17.720 Let's let's start this from the very beginning. So with brining, 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:20.200 brianing is for everybody. I'm sure you all know. It's 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:23.320 the idea of creating a water and salt based solution 0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:25.120 that you're gonna put some sort of meat in with 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:28.440 the overall goal, right of making something that's juicier. Is 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:30.720 that correct? Is that what people would generally think to do. 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:33.520 I think that people would say that it's more tender 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:37.760 and june. All right, So there is. It is both 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.040 of those things technically, but it does it in a 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:43.160 way that's sort of somewhat misleading. So here's what happens, 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.680 Like most of muscle fiber is made up of something 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:52.320 called myofibral. Myofibral um is what allows us to store 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:56.640 water inside meat. So an animal itself has a basic 0:57:56.760 --> 0:58:00.960 salinity level of about seven percent Mike natural really, yeah, 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.880 and fish and meat have almost identical salinity levels, believe 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:07.800 it or not. Um. When we introduce a brine, we're 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:12.680 attempting to increase that level in order to do two things. 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:16.000 One is to create an osmotic reaction where the fibers, 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:21.040 the myofibral actually holds or encapsulates moisture, in this case water. 0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:24.400 The other is to tenderize it. And the tenderization actually 0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:29.000 takes place because the salt disrupts the natural chemical bonds 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:32.760 of the protein and so they can't do their normal 0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:35.680 tightening up thing the way that they would normally, and 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.680 so it appears more tender to you. I don't think 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:40.960 it actually if we ran it in this I don't 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:43.880 think it will actually be more tender, but it will 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:47.240 appear and seem more tender while you're eating it. That John, 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:49.680 that's the third we're gonna try it. We're gonna see. 0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:51.800 I Actually I don't know if that publication is can 0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:56.439 be called. I don't know that that test, honestly, Steve, 0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:59.440 I don't know if anybody ever has tested empirically to 0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:01.640 see if it is it more tender, But it is 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:04.760 acknowledged scientifically that it will seem more tender because the 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:08.600 muscle fibers can't fight back with the salt concentration. I 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:12.320 cannot wait to take a hunk of dear meat, throw 0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:16.160 half of it in a brine, half of it not, 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:20.080 and then have Chester goggle up and run them buggers 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:22.680 through there. All right. So but here's where, here's where 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:27.480 the train comes off the tracks, is that salt does 0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:29.360 all those things that I just said. It causes that 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:32.560 as modic reaction because there's a there's an imbalance of 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:36.600 the natural salinity of the meat to the salt water concentration, 0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:40.560 and so what happens is that it triggers the meat 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:44.200 to sort of expel it's moisture and then to bring 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:47.080 it back in at a new, a new salinity level. 0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.400 Because what wants to happen cellularly is that it wants 0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:52.160 the outside and the inside to be the same. And 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:54.560 so that's how you get the water into it, and 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:59.160 the myo fibral basically open up and they hold just water. 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:01.440 And that's the key point to this is that what 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:05.120 you're tasting in the extra juiciness is literally just water. 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:08.320 And so that's why when you Brian something and you 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:10.200 put a bunch of stuff in it to try to 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:12.800 make the Brian taste better, you only taste it on 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:16.840 the outside because that stuff can't penetrate with you. I've 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:20.400 I've had that explained, and I think you and I 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:24.280 discussed this about when you see Brian recipes and they're like, 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:28.560 add you know, a half bay leaf, Yeah, don't really 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:31.240 really right, don't do that. You'd be better off to 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:34.000 create some sort of seasoning mix something outside what you're saying, Like, 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:36.520 if you wanted to have like those acts, put them 1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:39.200 on it, but put them on it right. Put don't 1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:43.920 trust that it's gonna soak up some right like residue 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.640 on the outside where you can just apply it at 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.120 the ratio you like. Right, salt and sugar are really 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:51.760 the only two things that are of any value inside 1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:53.760 of Brian salt sugar water, and you really don't need 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:56.400 to make it any more complicated than that. Um salt 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:59.640 in a c l um can can you can you can? 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:01.160 I bet yept on one of the things you mentioned, 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:04.840 you might, uh we can maybe even look this up. 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:08.919 You say an animal is has a salinity level? Yeah, 1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:11.760 do you know any saliny like like a Campbell's chicken 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:13.560 noodle soup. Do you know what that is? I'm just curious, 1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:16.520 like what, like what they're talking about when they say that, what? 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:19.720 How what the volume of salinity and processed food is? Yeah? Like, 1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:21.600 what'd you say? An animal is running around on the hoof? 1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:24.720 About seven percent is what they believe in seven percent 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:29.080 parts per million kind of thing. So and so so anyhow, 1:01:29.160 --> 1:01:32.080 so we got this Brian, and there's been a lot 1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:34.200 of studies in this. You know, Cooke's Illustrated published a 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:37.800 Brian recipe that ends up being about a fifteen percent solidity, 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:39.920 and they said that their test proved that that was 1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:42.800 the best. The University of Georgia, which has one of 1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:45.440 the best meat science schools in the country and actually 1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:50.320 has literally an expert on brining. Her published recommendation is 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:52.800 that it should be about half of that, about seven 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:56.760 point eight percent. They have a brining expert. Yeah, believe 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:59.200 it or not, you g a go dogs. Um so anyhow, 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:08.360 how that would be such a better job to explain 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:11.919 to people. Yeah, what do you do? Let me tell you? Yeah, 1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:17.040 you fan of corn beef. So then all right, let's 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:20.440 flash forward to corn beef. Because this process with the 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:24.560 salt just keeps going, but at a tipping point it 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:28.600 starts to do the exact opposite thing. So salt, once 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:31.919 you reach a salt concentration or a salinity level really 1:02:32.000 --> 1:02:34.680 north of in my opinion, some people say it's north 1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:37.520 of twenty. I've seen numbers as high as from a 1:02:37.600 --> 1:02:43.840 brine solution that what will end up happening is that correct. 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:46.000 So what will end up happening is that the exact 1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:49.280 opposite will take place. The salt chemically when it breaks 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:51.120 apart in A and C L, so you have sodium 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:55.480 and chlorine so or chloride. So those two things can 1:02:55.680 --> 1:03:02.080 bond to the they can bond to the chemical elements 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.320 of the meat itself and more importantly, the water in 1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:07.040 the meat. And so what they end up doing is 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:11.560 that they then break the cellular structure of the meat 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:13.840 itself and draw the water back out of it. And 1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:17.080 so that's how with corned beef, the corning you've actually 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:20.680 dried that meat out, it is not as juicy. There 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:24.000 is less moisture inside the muscle fiber than there would 1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:26.160 have been if that concentration of salt was lowered. A 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:31.160 great way to witness that uh dry brining fish correct. 1:03:31.360 --> 1:03:33.880 So my boy this winter caught a big trout through 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:36.560 the ice and he wanted to smoke it, and we 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.880 made up a salt sugar salt brown sugar, and I 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:43.280 had him pack it in there. I'm paraphrasing, but when 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:45.320 he opened the fridge the next day and opened it up, 1:03:45.360 --> 1:03:47.840 he said something to the effect of holy shit, because 1:03:47.880 --> 1:03:51.880 that had turned to liquid. Yeah, And I was like, 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:55.000 that's all the that's all the liquid those in your fish. 1:03:55.720 --> 1:03:58.640 And he ended up with something totally saturated and turned 1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:00.320 all that salt and sugar into a And then if 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:02.840 you took that salt level higher, that's how now you're 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:05.440 into the world of like gravlocks and nova and stuff 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:07.880 like that, where you've actually pulled moisture out. So then 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:10.680 that goes into the world of preservatives. And like why 1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:14.160 as salt a preservative Because salt concentration at a certain 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:18.680 level will actually pull the water out of bacteria and 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:22.400 it will kill the bacteria, So it basically will starve 1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:25.280 the bacteria of the necessary water that it needs, and 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:28.480 the bacteria will die because of it. That's what's happening. 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:31.360 I knew it was happening, but I know that that's 1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:33.720 what's happened. That's what's happening. And it's interesting that people 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:39.040 knew something was going on for thousands of years, but 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:41.919 maybe not quite what right. And then you know, people, 1:04:41.960 --> 1:04:43.560 I'm sure we'll go, but wait, but you have a 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:46.360 lot of salt in other so it's not all bacteria. 1:04:46.480 --> 1:04:49.640 Things like lactic lactic bacteria like what you expect in 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:53.720 sauer kraut, for example, like fermented foods um, they're not 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:57.200 affected by losing that moisture content. They can still stay alive. 1:04:57.320 --> 1:04:59.360 And those are bacteria that are good for us. So 1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:01.920 that's how you can select for the one. So the 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:04.360 ones that the ones that are harmful to us need 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:09.920 a certain water content and they can be killed by salt. Kevin, 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:13.280 with you explaining all this stuff, I now understand why 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:16.720 you're such a good cook. I thought you gonna say, 1:05:16.720 --> 1:05:19.240 you now understand why you got that lab coat? Yeah, exactly. 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:25.640 A goose Brian this year for you know, trying to 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:27.680 make corned beef, and it was by far and away 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:30.960 the most simple Brian I've ever used, and and the 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:34.880 best by far, and it just came out like perfect beef. 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:37.800 Like it was a candidate Canada geese that Sean and 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:43.120 I shot in North Dakota and I three goose bress 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:47.280 in a week, you know, proving my my theory. And 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:50.800 and then I was like, Okay, I know I'm gonna 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:52.600 get a bunch of geese in December, and then I 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:56.160 never did, and I'm freaking heartbroken. And you know, people, 1:05:57.160 --> 1:06:01.240 this is like a miss piece of misinformation, um because 1:06:01.240 --> 1:06:04.600 people talk about preservatives and buying food without preservatives, you know, 1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:07.760 and they think that when you go buy a can 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:10.680 of organic tomatoes that means they don't have preservatives, like 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:14.240 they still have it. The preservative is salt or it's sugar, 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:17.680 where it's both of those things, and so the idea 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:21.360 that they somehow are lacking preservatives is completely false. They 1:06:21.440 --> 1:06:25.760 just aren't using modern you know, modern food production uses 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:28.640 a blend of a lot of different ones that attack 1:06:28.960 --> 1:06:32.080 very specific bacterial growth. So the reason this is in 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:35.600 there is that addresses this bacteria. And so that's why 1:06:35.680 --> 1:06:38.560 you might see a laundry list of them because they're 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:41.280 going for long as shelf life possible, obviously, and a 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:43.760 lot of bacteria is anaerobic, so sealing it up doesn't 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:45.960 make any difference, and sometimes, in fact, it makes it worse. 1:06:46.920 --> 1:06:49.920 What does the sugar do. So the sugar because of 1:06:50.000 --> 1:06:52.400 its chemical compounds, so it does a couple of things. 1:06:52.480 --> 1:06:56.200 So the sugar in it. Um. Sugar is also a liquifier, 1:06:56.360 --> 1:06:58.360 so it does the same thing that salt does. It 1:06:58.440 --> 1:07:01.040 will pull moisture out and those cells will try to 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:03.880 achieve that same balance. The real reason you put sugar 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:06.200 in a brine is to affect its overall flavor. Like 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:08.400 it just makes it taste better, but it also does 1:07:08.440 --> 1:07:11.560 accomplish some of that osmotic reaction. You also will increase 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:15.120 surface caramelization and a handful of other things. But um, 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:18.240 at the end of the day, most scientists will tell 1:07:18.240 --> 1:07:19.720 you that the main reason that we put them in 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.320 there is because we think they taste better at the 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:23.640 end of the day, Like we're doing a lot of 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:25.960 this for our personal as Steve was talking about with 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:29.000 the Werner Bratzler, like you know, and they set the 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:31.000 you know, we said Okay, this is this is what 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:34.040 it's is acceptably tender, and you're like, that's not scientific, 1:07:34.120 --> 1:07:37.040 that's just our opinion. Well, this also goes from science 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:39.680 into opinion at some point where we think in our 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:42.400 opinion that it's better this way. And it's the same 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:45.840 as the scientists will argue with you that it isn't 1:07:45.960 --> 1:07:48.760 juice here or it doesn't increase, like there's no more 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:51.640 juices in the meat, that's just water. And we would say, yeah, 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:55.200 but the extra water like conveys the extra salt and 1:07:55.280 --> 1:07:57.280 seasoning and everything else, and it tastes better. Like at 1:07:57.280 --> 1:07:59.480 the end of the day, we just think it tastes better. Well, 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:02.880 it's like the is uh, you know, fancy chef types 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:05.840 that are like, oh, you have to clarify your stock now, 1:08:06.320 --> 1:08:08.840 and I'm like, no, yeah, I want the clouds and 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:11.960 the stuff in there. It tastes better. But yeah, but 1:08:12.040 --> 1:08:13.720 the clarifying stock, I think it was just like it 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:16.960 is cosmetic, right, Oh, it has to be so your 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:19.439 consummates are clear and that all right. Well that one 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:21.120 that's in a whole other we're gonna have to say 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:26.920 that you Sawn's Duck Report will have Kevin's Kevin's consummat 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:43.240 Kevin's consummate conclusions, Kevin Salt report. Watch this transition. You 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:47.200 know how the Warner Bradsler Sheer machine is a machine. 1:08:48.120 --> 1:08:53.280 Sure so is your phone. And on your phone and 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:55.200 on your phone if you live in Wyoming, you can 1:08:55.240 --> 1:09:00.960 now download a new mobile app that acts road kill. 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:04.640 It's more complicated that. Why don't we just joined the 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:09.080 twenty nine others. It's so surprising to me that there 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:12.360 are now thirty states where it's not or it is 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:16.519 not a criminal act to eat an animal that a 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:22.880 car hit in front of you. Interesting kill eating road kill. 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:26.640 We grew up. I mean no, I would say all 1:09:26.640 --> 1:09:28.840 the time, like I would say most years. At some 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:31.519 point we claimed some portion of Michigan. You claim some 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:33.840 portion of a deer, you had to call the police 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:35.559 and tell them you could bring it home. The cops 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:37.040 that come out and give you a permit, whatever. It's 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:39.080 just the thing you could do. Some guy in front 1:09:39.120 --> 1:09:41.439 of you clips the deer in the head and keep 1:09:41.479 --> 1:09:43.600 it for a long time. You weren't allowed to do 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:46.200 that in Montana. And I always wanted to go to court. 1:09:46.760 --> 1:09:49.479 I wanted to do like a civil disobedience thing. And 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:52.200 go to court and be like, yes, your honor um, 1:09:52.680 --> 1:09:55.120 I ate a piece of a deer that someone's car 1:09:55.280 --> 1:10:01.560 ran over. Guilty, throw the book guilty right, just to 1:10:01.600 --> 1:10:03.080 see what he'd end up saying. But then they made 1:10:03.080 --> 1:10:05.040 it illegal. Wyoming just do the same thing. So now 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:08.200 thirty states that will allow people to collect road kill 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:12.280 for food in certain circumstances. It's at warn't point now 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:14.360 here in Alaska. It's long been a think, but only 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:18.040 that they have a waiting list in Alaska. You can 1:10:18.120 --> 1:10:23.000 get on a list what Fairbanks Anchorage. You get on 1:10:23.080 --> 1:10:25.280 the list, someone hits some moose, go down the list, 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:30.200 our calling phone numbers because hundreds of pounds. I like that. 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.760 I actually ate road kill moose in Alaska. I stayed 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:35.599 with a family who was on the list and they 1:10:35.680 --> 1:10:38.479 got a whole high and quarter. It was big. Yeah, 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:40.760 And think about the moose too. It's like they're so 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:43.040 big that even if you clocked let's let's say you 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:46.439 clocked the back half of it, there's still two hundred 1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:48.519 pounds of it laying in the front half of it, 1:10:48.960 --> 1:10:52.160 you know. But Wyoming has this thing now, so you 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:55.240 can download a mobile app. It allows you to claim 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:58.439 road kill. But then also it collects the data to 1:10:58.520 --> 1:11:02.719 help highway offish and biologists decide where to put signs 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:06.120 that warrnt of animal crossings on roads. It could even 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:08.519 have who knows, some kind of long term implications for 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:14.160 um wild they've crossings. State Wildlife and highway officials rolled 1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:17.400 out the app, which they're saying possibly the first of 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:20.000 its kind in the US, which I read. I read 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:24.040 to mean they don't know of any others, but didn't 1:11:24.080 --> 1:11:29.040 spend that much time looking. Yeah, probably say to say 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:31.760 the first of its kind. They don't want to overam it. 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:34.960 They don't want to overstep. They're being modest. Possibly the 1:11:35.000 --> 1:11:38.040 first of its kind in the US. This winner when 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:41.240 they joined the thirty year or so states that allow 1:11:41.280 --> 1:11:44.519 people to collect road kill for food. So it's a 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:52.040 department transportation app you can quickly claim accidentally killed deer, elk, moose, 1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:57.560 wild bison, and wild turkey after documenting the animal and 1:11:57.760 --> 1:12:03.400 reviewing the rules for collecting road kill to eat. Another 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:05.760 thing is there's some rules around it, like they don't 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:08.160 want you out in the dark along certain highways. They 1:12:08.200 --> 1:12:10.439 don't want you out in the dark on construction zones. Right, 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:13.519 So there's something kind of walhed you through it a 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:18.320 gripe I have with Montana's road kill law. Once you 1:12:18.439 --> 1:12:21.720 touch everything, you gotta take everything, okay, guts and all. 1:12:22.720 --> 1:12:24.599 You can't gourmet butcher on the side of the road, 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:28.479 which is like the normal thing, right right right. If 1:12:28.640 --> 1:12:30.320 if some guy in front of you hit a deer 1:12:30.400 --> 1:12:34.800 in the head, you might just strip out the backstraps. 1:12:35.120 --> 1:12:39.560 You can't. You can't gut it, the whole steve. What's 1:12:39.600 --> 1:12:44.519 the law if somebody hit a buck, you take the 1:12:44.600 --> 1:12:48.080 whole thing, the whole animal, the whole thing. Unfortunately happens. 1:12:48.080 --> 1:12:49.800 If you want to get you can't get it taxed 1:12:50.000 --> 1:12:52.840 me though, could you? It doesn't know, it doesn't come 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:56.000 across you having like a tag issue. It's not yours 1:12:56.080 --> 1:13:02.120 like you claim the animal and then highway patrol or 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:07.000 Montana Fishing Game validates that for you. Right in Montana. 1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:09.439 That's how I wish he was here to explain it. 1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:11.000 I had a friend that had been watched and in 1:13:11.080 --> 1:13:13.880 this in Montana, was watching a big white tail on 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:17.840 a trail camera and they found it dead. Here's how 1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:20.760 the story went. They found it dead, but it's like 1:13:20.800 --> 1:13:24.160 fifty yards off the road, Okay, He's like, obviously got 1:13:24.240 --> 1:13:26.679 hit by car, dragged itself into the woods and died. 1:13:28.360 --> 1:13:33.920 He wanted the antlers called, and I couldn't get it 1:13:34.000 --> 1:13:36.240 sorted out in the state took it away. So does 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:39.639 the animal still like? But what about the whole road 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:41.680 kill thing? Right, That's what I'm saying. It was too 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:44.479 far along. It's like, I don't know if you're gonna 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:46.120 do like a knee crops you on a dried up 1:13:46.200 --> 1:13:47.920 carcass found out in the woods and tell me that 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:49.639 it's whatever, But we don't know that that's what happened 1:13:49.640 --> 1:13:51.519 to it. So it isn't the distance from the road. 1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:54.840 It was the time from death. This wasn't fresh. It 1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:58.479 is funny like in November peak deer rut in Montana. 1:14:00.000 --> 1:14:02.240 I mean you see a lot of decapitated road kill. 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:07.080 Yeah yeah, Georgia as well. You know, like you go 1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:08.559 down the road and you're like, that must have been 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:11.240 a buck doesn't have a head anymore. Uh. One time 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:15.640 I was my buddy Julian and I had heard of 1:14:15.680 --> 1:14:16.960 like tagged out. I can't hember what it was. I 1:14:17.040 --> 1:14:18.760 was just sleeping on the couch and he left in 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:21.439 the dark to go deer hunting, but then got back 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:26.920 in the dark. I should tell the story because never mind, 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:31.479 well we'd all been drinking. So what I was gonna 1:14:31.479 --> 1:14:33.840 tell is the story of an individual that wasn't his name. 1:14:34.280 --> 1:14:36.920 His name was definitely not Julia. I was screwed up 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:40.400 about that part. But anyways, came back very quickly before 1:14:40.439 --> 1:14:45.040 it was even light out with the deer because he 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:48.880 picked up a hit one tagged to hit one a 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:53.479 road kill, and he thought, oh, that's good enough for me. Yeah, 1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:56.120 he's like back to bed, but I can't remember his name. 1:14:56.880 --> 1:15:01.519 Oh if Chester has the app up the road, yeah, 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:06.160 you can just like say I hit a badger. You can, 1:15:06.640 --> 1:15:12.720 I don't know. You can line are animals slept from? 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:15.400 Or you just type in animals. Yeah, So it's as 1:15:15.720 --> 1:15:17.720 report a road kill and then you click on that 1:15:18.080 --> 1:15:21.559 and there's antelope, bighorn, sheep, black bear, coyote, deer, elk, 1:15:21.760 --> 1:15:26.759 grizzly bear, moose, mountain goat, mountain lion, wild bison, wild turkey, 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:29.519 and wolf. Those are the options. I feel like if 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:32.200 you were reporting a bison that would already be reported 1:15:32.240 --> 1:15:38.760 by the giant NASCAR accident, it was still right there. Yeah, 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:41.320 and there's like a little map that pops up. I 1:15:41.400 --> 1:15:44.439 haven't found any fresh road kills. I've been we have 1:15:44.600 --> 1:15:47.840 people been getting in there, man, look at that, but passionately. 1:15:48.000 --> 1:15:51.400 So this is through the Wyoming Department of Transportation. So 1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:55.920 like this has the icy roads and all that, but 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:57.560 I got it all clouded up with a bunch of 1:15:57.560 --> 1:15:59.880 stuff no one cares about. But also part of the 1:16:00.320 --> 1:16:02.160 part of the point of the app is so that 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:07.040 people can see where there are an increased number of collisions, 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:12.799 and that people know where to put up Whatever state agency, 1:16:12.880 --> 1:16:15.120 maybe it's the Department of Transportation, I don't know, or 1:16:15.160 --> 1:16:18.160 not the Department of Transportation, whatever state agency in Wyoming 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:20.400 would put signs up on the side of the road 1:16:20.479 --> 1:16:23.960 to say, like animal crossing, you know, be careful. Or 1:16:24.560 --> 1:16:26.559 maybe maybe you can draw the pin on where there's 1:16:26.600 --> 1:16:31.000 a police officer staked out checking speeds or whatever. Maybe 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:33.280 that too. I think there's another called that. It's called 1:16:33.320 --> 1:16:37.439 ways quick correction. I have to make a correction as well, 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:39.160 when you get a chance. Is it about what you 1:16:39.200 --> 1:16:41.080 just said? I realized that I said seven percent to 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:45.080 you when I meant to say point seven percent point seven. 1:16:45.320 --> 1:16:47.040 I didn't know enough about what we're talking about. But 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:49.400 I don't want some like scientists calling in and being 1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:53.719 like he's wrong. Point seven not seven? Is it natural salinity? 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:58.639 Which is why a briand of seven creates the ideal scenario. 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:02.120 Cran do you want to do your own crack? Sure? Okay, 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:04.639 Crens got hit a crack. She screwed something not real bad. Yeah, 1:17:04.760 --> 1:17:09.280 big screw up, Yeah, huge screw up. No. I I 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:15.840 thought that the South Dakota UM bounty for youth trappers, 1:17:16.240 --> 1:17:19.439 the youth season was in its first year, so that 1:17:19.560 --> 1:17:21.439 was my bad. This was this will actually be the 1:17:21.560 --> 1:17:25.560 fourth year. UM. Many folks from South Dakota wrote in 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:28.280 about that, but a couple of folks pointed out that 1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:31.400 the reason why the bounty cap is at at a 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:33.920 five nine. Yeah, we we were like, why can't a 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:35.640 kid just poured the coles to it make a ton 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:38.960 of money they caught them off at is for tax purposes. 1:17:39.000 --> 1:17:40.920 I guess you can probably go up to just under 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:44.640 six hundred, uh, in which case you'd be issued a 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:48.360 six hundred is like the cut off minimum for where 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:53.479 you'd beat issued a T. They don't want to kids, Yeah, well, 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:56.639 and hold on, it's not just kids, the early part 1:17:56.720 --> 1:18:01.280 of this first month. That's we're kind of covering, is 1:18:01.320 --> 1:18:03.120 that to let the kids get a crack at it first. 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:06.360 You know the thing that because I listened to you 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:09.240 guys talk about it, and obviously I live there and 1:18:09.360 --> 1:18:15.759 see it, um Sean was all the people writing it emils. 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:19.360 It's been a busy week. You drive by plenty of 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:22.479 skunks and raccoons on the side of the road with 1:18:22.640 --> 1:18:26.840 their tailbone and tail gone. Really, yeah, man, you should 1:18:26.880 --> 1:18:30.920 have said, uh, you should have said, uh, you just said, hey, 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:33.120 you know how we were just talking about roadkill. We'll 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:38.519 get this and transition transition. Yeah, well you guys already 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:41.800 rolled in lay up transition, lay up. That he missed. 1:18:42.240 --> 1:18:48.080 I'm sorry to learning. Learning opportunity found right there the school, Sean, 1:18:48.200 --> 1:18:50.599 quit writing angry emails and when you could be learning 1:18:50.640 --> 1:18:56.639 on I was thinking, I was thinking about your your 1:18:57.080 --> 1:19:00.160 learning opportunity for public speaking last night with young uh 1:19:00.520 --> 1:19:03.080 young Mr James too. That was good. Yeah he went 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:05.720 he yeah, took a real he almost went a little 1:19:05.760 --> 1:19:09.439 overboard in the end there. I mean, my hats off 1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:13.160 to him. I opened up, opened up, Uh, Jimmy, I 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:15.599 allowed it. I invited him to do like a greeting 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:18.479 over the dinner table, you know when you say like 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:21.680 like thank you all to come. There was nothing overboard 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:24.200 about that. That was just beautiful. It was good. He 1:19:24.640 --> 1:19:27.840 poured the coals to it. Chester. How's that? How's that 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:32.120 chocolate covered peep treating you? The dudes eating the evidence? 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:35.320 That is, No, we didn't. We didn't decapitate that one. 1:19:35.479 --> 1:19:38.439 No course sample, that's actual bird. It's a marshmall funny 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:41.759 with sugar on it. Is it better than the regular peeple? 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:46.679 More flavorful? Oh yeah, for sure. Purchased with mediator Amax. 1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:51.479 But like I but like I said, Kevin, you toast 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:54.400 these with the sugar on the outside caramelizes it if 1:19:54.439 --> 1:19:56.439 you like a toast and marshmallows. Right, we should have 1:19:56.520 --> 1:19:59.360 run We should you guys to take the advanced chef 1:19:59.439 --> 1:20:02.800 talk like if there's a room with a restaurant. But 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:07.479 I needed a good idea to say, hypothetically, if only 1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:09.920 we'd run a Graham cracker behind that peep instead of 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:11.800 a piece of bread. We've been two thirds of the 1:20:11.800 --> 1:20:17.639 way too. Smore, Kenny Warner, what's been going on? Tell 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:20.040 me something about yourself? I don't know yet. That you 1:20:20.120 --> 1:20:24.439 don't know yet. Um, I feel like I have been 1:20:24.760 --> 1:20:28.880 spending way too much time listening to songs about excavators 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:33.840 because you have to have a child. I was like, 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:36.080 I'm sitting here trying to think of one song about 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:38.800 the next guy. Even earlier, when I was like, Oh, Chester, 1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:41.759 don't they call you THET I was thinking investigator because 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:44.520 it rhymes with excavator, and I have all these excavator 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:48.120 songs in my head. Your boys in that era were 1:20:48.160 --> 1:20:53.759 like machinery, earth moving equipment, anything, any yeah, heavy equipment, 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:57.320 he corrects me. And he's only two, but he'll tell me, like, no, 1:20:57.479 --> 1:21:03.760 it's a front loader. So yeah, he want he wants 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:05.679 to if he could pick his career right now, would 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:09.640 be earth mover, he thinks so, and then whenever he 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:12.320 gets a chance to like write in one, he just 1:21:12.439 --> 1:21:14.600 gets so nervous that he puts both his hands in 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:17.439 his mouth and freaks out, like that's how excited he gets. 1:21:18.120 --> 1:21:23.360 Eat Yeah, yeah, yeah, neighbor, he keeps one of those 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:25.639 parks in his backyard all the time, and that would 1:21:25.720 --> 1:21:29.400 make his day. Think about that? Would he would? He 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:31.760 does he like any kind of machinery type stuff, any 1:21:31.840 --> 1:21:36.400 kind of contraptions he does. He likes forklifts. I mean, 1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:38.439 I'm just gonna say all the words he's saying to 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:44.360 me every day. But a fork, cliff, pop cat, front loader, Yeah, 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:49.479 big trucks, car carriers, foreman's busting my hump mom ye 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:56.160 oh man, over time, dude. That reminds you. You know 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:58.439 we told we told the Dirty Dan joke. That reminds 1:21:58.479 --> 1:22:00.880 me of another Dirty Dan joke. No, we didn't sell 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:03.960 so creeped out. The whole thing is bleeped out. I 1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:10.240 thought it just bleeped out the bad words we hear. 1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:16.680 We hear you say rats, big baby, I want to 1:22:16.720 --> 1:22:18.600 hear the other dirty Dames. So good. It has to 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:22.600 do with contractors. His experience is hanging out with some contractors. 1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:30.280 We're gonna tell no other than that. Um, I'm just 1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:32.559 I'm happy to be here. You hung out with Kevin 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:34.880 and film with I got to hang out and cook 1:22:34.960 --> 1:22:39.960 some octopus with Kevin yesterday and that was amazing, subjectively tender. 1:22:40.120 --> 1:22:42.120 We haven't run it through the Warner Bratler yet, but 1:22:42.200 --> 1:22:48.040 we feel like it was social. So good. That's the 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:53.960 name of my new album. And uh and you're gonna 1:22:53.960 --> 1:22:57.280 You're gonna be working on a spear fishing series. I am. 1:22:57.400 --> 1:22:59.080 I didn't know we were allowed to talk about that. 1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:06.679 Don't say too much. We could say it's still totally 1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:10.120 in the works. Nothing has been filmed yet, but we've 1:23:10.120 --> 1:23:13.439 got a lot of good ideas for this for part 1:23:13.640 --> 1:23:18.000 series of spear fishing that will be on Meat Eaters YouTube. 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:21.000 That's gonna be exciting, I hope. So. Yeah, I think 1:23:21.040 --> 1:23:24.880 so people like watching spear fishing stuff. It's fascinating. I 1:23:24.960 --> 1:23:28.200 mean it's like taking someone to another planet, like you 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:31.479 literally are leaving the world that you know and being 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:34.800 able to be the eyes for people who don't get 1:23:34.840 --> 1:23:38.040 to get down there and see it and and maybe 1:23:38.120 --> 1:23:42.519 won't and maybe won't. Yeah, so I really like it. 1:23:42.640 --> 1:23:46.400 I think it's fascinating no matter what. But um, it's 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:48.800 been it's been really nice to see that so many 1:23:48.880 --> 1:23:52.120 people who don't even live by the ocean, how fascinating 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:56.760 it is for them to Yeah. Sure, uh And then 1:23:57.080 --> 1:24:01.040 you did like an early was it was it your 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:07.000 first duck hunt? Oh? Absolutely? Sean here, Yeah, famous for 1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:13.519 you might know him from Sean's Duck Report. Yeah, duck 1:24:13.600 --> 1:24:16.160 hunting is something I mean I don't I never knew 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:18.799 a lot about it. I just really liked the idea 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:21.679 of going out and getting a duck or a goose, 1:24:21.800 --> 1:24:24.280 And I didn't know there's a big difference between those two. 1:24:24.520 --> 1:24:27.879 But when you start throwing in buggers down the old Bratsler, 1:24:29.439 --> 1:24:32.160 then we'll see the difference. But growing up in Hawaii, 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:36.080 it's just um, apparently we're the only state that doesn't 1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:40.200 have duck hunting. So yeah, Hawaii is the only state 1:24:40.280 --> 1:24:45.320 without a waterfowl season because Hawai does get birds that 1:24:45.439 --> 1:24:50.040 migrate down like pintails and stuff even and they don't 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:55.080 want to like persuade those birds to not migrate to 1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:59.080 why because it's such a because we're the most isolated 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:01.120 land mass on the on it. So they're afraid that 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:03.360 if there's pressure put on them, they'll just be like, oh, 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:05.880 we'll find somewhere else to go. Is that gonna you're 1:25:05.880 --> 1:25:09.160 not gonna like, you're not gonna use that to fulfill 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:12.280 that little tidbit right there to fulfill your contract obligations 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:14.840 about Shawn's dark report, Are you no, no, because you 1:25:14.880 --> 1:25:17.679 could have milked the whole one out of that. Okay, 1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:22.240 I don't want you to now claim it as like 1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:24.599 check it off your list, but just the heads up. Yeah, 1:25:24.640 --> 1:25:26.400 that would have been good. Done the whole dock report 1:25:26.720 --> 1:25:28.400 well and be done for the month. Or maybe I'll 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:30.120 write an article on that. That's great, that'd be a 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:34.360 good one. Yeah, it's pretty interesting that it's so the 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:37.560 whole Hawaii chain is a duck refuge pretty much. I 1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:40.920 had no idea, And so it's as fascinating to me 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:43.320 as the ocean for someone who hasn't seen the ocean, 1:25:43.439 --> 1:25:45.560 because you don't go out and shoot a duck or 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:47.639 a goose and eat it. And that's the only things 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:50.280 that like I read about in little, you know, fairy 1:25:50.280 --> 1:25:53.839 tale books and stuff. So the whole idea of bringing 1:25:54.120 --> 1:25:56.320 a duck home and putting it on the table just 1:25:56.560 --> 1:25:59.439 seemed literally out of this world to me. And then 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:03.800 caw came to visit um when when you guys all 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:05.920 came down to go spear fishing, and he brought me 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:11.320 some mallards and gave me very so fat and gave 1:26:11.400 --> 1:26:14.840 me very specific instructions on how to cook it. I'm 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:17.759 not screwed up, not to screw it up. Cow's always 1:26:17.800 --> 1:26:23.720 tell me not to screw it up, and so and 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:27.679 I didn't. And it was literally one of the most 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:31.680 delicious things I've ever eaten, and so that just elevated 1:26:31.880 --> 1:26:34.960 my infatuation with the idea of being able to get 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:37.240 my own bird so much. Can we back up on 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:40.439 the Hawaii thing from it? Is that prohibition on duck 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:45.599 hunting so ingrained that people just don't even what's going 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:51.120 on you're digging around with people just don't even think 1:26:51.160 --> 1:26:55.200 about he's so ingrained that did it? Like for let 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:58.040 me gear, for instance, in Michigan, you could not hunt 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:01.800 doves because of some if you low but everybody around 1:27:01.840 --> 1:27:04.800 you can hunt dubs, So people would not a day 1:27:04.880 --> 1:27:10.599 goes by. That's an exaggeration, not a month goes by. 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:14.240 Someone does a bit about not being able to hunt dubs. No, 1:27:14.360 --> 1:27:16.240 it's not. I wouldn't say it's the same at all. 1:27:16.280 --> 1:27:20.080 And I think it's because we are so isolated and 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.919 that it's not like we're just looking over our shoulders 1:27:22.960 --> 1:27:25.880 and there's a state right next to us hunting ducks. 1:27:26.080 --> 1:27:28.360 You know, it's like we're on our own. We're in 1:27:28.439 --> 1:27:30.280 the middle of the ocean, in the middle of nowhere, 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:33.280 and so I don't think we have that comparison. I 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:36.439 don't even think it's a thought in most people's heads. Like, 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:39.080 I didn't know that we were the only state that 1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:41.760 didn't have duck hunting until Sean told me that. I 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:44.920 just knew that I've never seen somebody bring home a duck, 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:48.400 you know, you know, uh, I was in one of 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:50.479 the times I was in South America on on on 1:27:50.560 --> 1:27:54.880 a river trip down there. There's birds, like every kind 1:27:54.880 --> 1:27:57.519 of bird all overplace all the time. It's just like birds, birds, birds, 1:27:57.560 --> 1:28:02.400 you know, um and the Amberanians like they know what 1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:04.760 they are, but there's only certain like ones that look 1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:08.080 very grouse like that they're interested in. And they have 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:10.599 to sort of catch all phrase for edible birds. They 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:13.040 know them individually, but sort of the same way we'd say, 1:28:13.120 --> 1:28:16.880 like game bird, they have a word. Well, one day, 1:28:17.479 --> 1:28:19.200 it's kind of seemed very out of place. You're in 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:21.560 the jungle, but here comes a duct it looks like 1:28:21.560 --> 1:28:22.920 I don't know what it was, but it looks like 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:26.160 a hand mold lands on the side of the river 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:28.920 out in front of us in the jungle, and I thought, 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:32.080 for a second, I aren't these boys if that's sort 1:28:32.120 --> 1:28:37.639 of in there game bird on their game bird radar. 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:40.519 And as that bird landed, the bows that came out 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:43.920 of the bottom of that boat. I was like, Okay, 1:28:46.960 --> 1:28:52.640 they're onto it, don't don't need me to help. Very 1:28:52.680 --> 1:28:58.360 short lived thought. You were like, so I'm gonna talk 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:02.120 about the continuation. Sean gave you an invite, Okay, cool. Yeah, 1:29:02.280 --> 1:29:06.080 So basically, well you gave me the invite, Steve, because 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:09.320 I started talking about how I always wanted to, you know, 1:29:09.439 --> 1:29:11.920 bring home a duck, and so then you invited. You 1:29:12.200 --> 1:29:19.320 introduced me to Sean and no, no, I love the 1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:22.920 idea of getting someone introduced to it to even see 1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:26.880 what it's about, because for me, the knowledge goes like 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:31.200 so advanced on some things that to back it up 1:29:31.280 --> 1:29:33.479 to square one of like okay, we want the wind 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:37.479 at our back. Okay, that's a duck. That was a 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:40.080 huge thing. I was like, is that a duck. He's like, Nope, 1:29:40.280 --> 1:29:44.439 that's a that's a turn. That's a seagull. And like 1:29:44.640 --> 1:29:49.400 I like, I, hands down am the most green person 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:53.880 that Sean ever took the biggest newbie ever, Like I 1:29:54.320 --> 1:29:59.000 never even shot a shotgun before. I was like intimidated 1:29:59.040 --> 1:30:01.320 by it at first, and he would say, like start 1:30:01.400 --> 1:30:03.960 talking about the different parts of it. I had no 1:30:04.120 --> 1:30:08.120 idea what he was talking about. Um, it was all. 1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:10.200 It was all so new to me. It was like 1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:12.439 such it was first of all, such a privilege to 1:30:12.560 --> 1:30:14.680 just like kind of come in and have someone like 1:30:14.840 --> 1:30:17.320 Sean be there to show me the ropes. But like 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:21.000 it was just I was I was in awe of 1:30:21.120 --> 1:30:24.559 it all, like the fact that I know they're called blinds, 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:27.480 but we got to like build a fort in the wilderness. 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:31.680 That was so cool. Like like Sean was like, yeah, 1:30:31.840 --> 1:30:35.040 go get those you know, dead old um tumbleweeds. I'm 1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:39.640 like tumble one on cartoons. Like it was all like 1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:43.120 I was giddy. I was just like, oh my gosh, 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:46.559 and like home decor, like make this a pretty little 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:50.400 fort and yeah, and I asked him a lot of 1:30:50.520 --> 1:30:53.519 questions where I just saw like his face kind of 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:56.439 going into shock and realized that he had to really 1:30:57.040 --> 1:31:00.640 back it up with, Um how fundamental we had to 1:31:00.720 --> 1:31:03.519 go to teach me about duck hunting. But I loved 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:07.880 every second of it. Yeah, that was definitely the exciting part. 1:31:07.960 --> 1:31:10.320 When you would text me about me and Kimmy going 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:14.479 duck hunting. Was I mean, I didn't realize quite how 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:17.800 basic I'd get with it. Um, you know, like the 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:21.559 night before we're talking about hen and Drake's I'm like, okay, 1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:25.280 wait no, so that's male female, you know, like stuff 1:31:25.360 --> 1:31:28.320 like that, which is it's it's fun to get to 1:31:28.400 --> 1:31:31.960 that level. It was, it was that was the exciting part. 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:35.120 I never wore waiters before in my life, and I 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:37.600 remember how small my boots were, and I had to 1:31:37.680 --> 1:31:39.920 pull them on b all your plaers every day. We 1:31:39.960 --> 1:31:43.360 had to use like a her boot size was for 1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:47.200 what her actual foot size would be right, but not 1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:50.519 with big heavy socks on. And then she was you know, 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:54.840 she was wearing stocking foot and so she had to 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:59.400 use like a monkey wrench to like jack the boot 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:02.799 would know what happened her. After that, I said, Steve, 1:32:03.600 --> 1:32:06.160 a picture of me plucking off my bonails. All the 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:09.479 tonils fell off. You don't want us. You might be 1:32:09.720 --> 1:32:15.640 right now naked, hairless kittens or something. I don't even know. 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:20.280 I sent Cali video to d think just like I mean, 1:32:20.680 --> 1:32:25.719 like just the tonail. Like in that video there's Buddy's 1:32:25.760 --> 1:32:31.280 little commentary going, okay that from the boot that is 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:34.280 just another in excruciating page. I was just really happy 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:36.960 to be there, so I wasn't complaining, how the heck 1:32:37.040 --> 1:32:40.320 did you handle that? Had I had the h from 1:32:40.479 --> 1:32:42.400 I had. I lost a few of them one time, 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:47.280 just from walking down a steep hill and like a 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:50.920 long walk, and I could feel it. Yeah, and then 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:52.960 and then I don't want it wasn't a month later 1:32:53.160 --> 1:32:56.639 a couple of them came off. Yeah, that's just another 1:32:56.760 --> 1:33:01.240 evolution in the in the suffering that we were, absolute suffering. 1:33:01.400 --> 1:33:03.880 That was. It's a good way to keep a kid happy. 1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:09.360 I took my tonail off for my nephew like that. 1:33:09.680 --> 1:33:12.759 Oh yeah, I just couldn't. He was like running circles 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:17.800 around the chair. I couldn't quite grasp at all. Like 1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:20.240 it's kind of weird. I had his song cales. Tonails 1:33:20.240 --> 1:33:23.160 were always coming up. Yeah, buddy kept saying, ill, I 1:33:23.479 --> 1:33:37.360 want to hold it, complainting emotions. You guys hunted a 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:40.479 place that a lot of people don't um regard as 1:33:40.479 --> 1:33:42.599 a big duck hunt state. And remember what our buddy 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:45.519 Carl Malcolm was down there for years for work, and 1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:47.439 he would get into a little ducks now and then 1:33:47.600 --> 1:33:50.400 in New Mexico. And I remember always being surprised by that, 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:55.360 because you know, you form these um everybody does it 1:33:56.280 --> 1:33:59.200 like you formed his impressions of places. You don't think 1:33:59.280 --> 1:34:03.280 that a lot of like people I guess where I 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:05.479 grew up. I don't think of New Mexico as having 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:11.200 right big now alpine right ski areas. You just imagined 1:34:11.200 --> 1:34:13.439 it being like a bunch of desert and you think 1:34:13.479 --> 1:34:16.639 it's like sand and cas for whatever the hell reason, right, Yeah, 1:34:17.560 --> 1:34:20.360 And likewise, you don't think of it as you know, 1:34:20.439 --> 1:34:26.120 a place that Leopold was doing wetlands research, and you know, 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:29.720 you don't think about all the riparian areas. And um, 1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:32.240 I remember being shocked to learn that the mountain men 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:37.920 would work down into New Mexico quite frequently beaver trapping, yeah, 1:34:38.040 --> 1:34:40.320 and I'm like, how could that be true? And there 1:34:40.360 --> 1:34:48.080 ice fishing the ice fish. Yeah, it was my decision 1:34:48.360 --> 1:34:53.599 to go there. Um you know that. And Kimmy Frankly 1:34:53.680 --> 1:34:56.680 was supposed to be on a different hunt originally then 1:34:56.800 --> 1:35:01.240 this hunt, and my whole original idea was to get 1:35:01.320 --> 1:35:04.120 heard of the salt Lake and experience all the variety 1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:08.360 of salt Lake. But uh, you know, with me catching 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:11.200 COVID and a few other things going on, like didn't 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:14.160 work out scheduling wise, and uh, I was like you 1:35:14.240 --> 1:35:15.960 know what, we can still make this work if we 1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:19.400 go to New Mexico. And where we went in New 1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:22.920 Mexico it was a place I'd never been, which is 1:35:22.960 --> 1:35:25.400 a lot of the kind of the you know, it's 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:27.880 not the entire premise by any means of duck lore, 1:35:28.360 --> 1:35:33.400 but we like to go places that are figuring it 1:35:33.439 --> 1:35:36.320 out right, go figure out ducks on our own, not 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:41.280 just taking necessarily the shoe in thing. And so I 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:43.519 was going in blind as a bat on this. But 1:35:43.720 --> 1:35:46.080 we decided, you know, on a place and we were 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:50.040 staying in a town called Truth or Consequences, my favorite 1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:52.760 town name of all time. Yeah, they like it was 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:55.720 the game ship, right, tell that story a goofy deal. 1:35:56.320 --> 1:35:58.040 I think they should go back and change it back. 1:36:00.000 --> 1:36:03.360 I don't know. I like the name, now tell the story. Yeah, 1:36:03.439 --> 1:36:07.200 I think we actually finally gave it. It's like credibility. 1:36:08.080 --> 1:36:11.639 But we'll get into that. So. Yeah, Truth or Truth 1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:17.000 or Consequences was originally named Hot Springs and then probably 1:36:17.000 --> 1:36:21.200 the thirtieth Hot Springs and America problem. Yeah, and the 1:36:22.000 --> 1:36:24.679 I think the mayor back in nineteen fifty or something 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:28.639 changed the name to Truth or Consequences after a game 1:36:28.680 --> 1:36:32.840 show a radio game show that he liked, and so 1:36:33.120 --> 1:36:37.000 try to lure No, it's like the game show was 1:36:37.080 --> 1:36:43.320 gonna go record an episode, right and whatever town would 1:36:43.400 --> 1:36:47.000 name themselves that, and the town voted to name themselves that, 1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:50.400 and in that game show host would go there like 1:36:50.560 --> 1:36:53.160 every year for the rest of his life. And it's 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:59.679 just so it's disappointing with a name that bad. Sean 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:02.200 when when he first picked me up, he's like, man, 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:04.960 I thought this name was so badass. And oh yeah, 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:08.160 I thought some heavy covered wagon ship went down there, man, 1:37:08.320 --> 1:37:10.040 you know what I mean. He's like, I thought, you know, 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:12.920 cowboys were taken out to the desert and given the 1:37:13.040 --> 1:37:15.080 chance to tell their truth or if not, there left 1:37:15.120 --> 1:37:17.960 there to die and people cannibalizing each other. I don't 1:37:17.960 --> 1:37:20.519 know what I thought. I was like, Oh, a name 1:37:20.640 --> 1:37:23.280 like that, your mind can go wherever you want. To know. 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:26.360 It's a game show. Yeah, no, it's a little lackluster, 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:32.080 but uh so, yeah, that's where we went and like 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:36.080 started Kimmy off right, like throwing her into the fire 1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:40.280 of learning how to duck hunt. You know, we we 1:37:40.360 --> 1:37:42.720 had no local contacts, We had no one there like 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:47.479 teaching us about the area. We just started driving around, 1:37:47.720 --> 1:37:53.280 showing up at water and scouting ducks. And the first 1:37:53.439 --> 1:37:55.840 night we went out scouting, or the first day, I 1:37:55.840 --> 1:38:00.920 should say, the amount of ducks we've found in this 1:38:01.200 --> 1:38:06.519 one spot was just staggering. I mean one of those 1:38:06.560 --> 1:38:13.040 spots where I'm giddy with laughter and I'm good, yeah, yep, 1:38:13.479 --> 1:38:17.000 And you know, Max is going bananas with the long 1:38:17.120 --> 1:38:21.040 lens film and NonStop, just stoked, and we're like, you know, 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:22.760 this is about as good as you can ask for 1:38:22.800 --> 1:38:26.040 it to be. And I even remarked to Kimmy, this 1:38:26.320 --> 1:38:29.160 just seems too good to be true. I'm not gonna 1:38:29.200 --> 1:38:32.960 get my hopes up. And oh I know where this 1:38:33.080 --> 1:38:40.120 is going. So yeah. The next morning we so what 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:43.760 we had found where we were there was there's this 1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:47.720 little island on this west side of this lake, and 1:38:48.720 --> 1:38:50.920 we were kind of pulled up on this island watching 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:54.240 these birds. And there was birds all around us out 1:38:54.640 --> 1:38:57.639 east of us, towards the main big water of the lake, 1:38:57.760 --> 1:39:00.720 wrapping around north of us and and settling on this 1:39:00.880 --> 1:39:05.599 west bank to our to the west island, and um, 1:39:06.720 --> 1:39:08.760 with what the wind was setting up to be, we 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:11.160 decided we were instead of setting on this island, we 1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:14.479 were gonna set on this west bank, and that was 1:39:14.600 --> 1:39:18.160 kind of our game plan for the morning, which proved 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:21.960 to be maybe the worst decoy set up I've ever 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:25.240 set in my life. One of those ones where like 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:28.200 when the sun comes up and the birds are flying 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:31.400 and you realize, like just how bad you screwed the 1:39:31.479 --> 1:39:34.800 pooch and you're like not in the spot. It's like 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:37.840 they like it a hundred yards that way. They hate 1:39:37.960 --> 1:39:42.439 where we're sitting. And um, but I mean there are 1:39:42.479 --> 1:39:47.439 so many birds that it just like that wasn't like 1:39:47.560 --> 1:39:53.160 the end all be all by means and Kimmy, I 1:39:53.200 --> 1:39:55.040 don't know how far how far into the hunt were we. 1:39:56.600 --> 1:39:58.400 I mean I think it was it was when the 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:01.599 the sun I had just come up, not that long ago. 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:03.439 It was pretty early on in the day. Because that 1:40:03.600 --> 1:40:05.840 day it did end up being pretty slow, Like we 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:08.040 saw a lot of birds off in the distance, but 1:40:08.160 --> 1:40:10.600 as far as any coming and landing in our decoys, 1:40:11.280 --> 1:40:14.200 it didn't really happen. But in the morning it did, 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:18.120 and um, some teals flew by and I and I 1:40:18.280 --> 1:40:21.080 just remember like the intensity, like you just being like 1:40:21.360 --> 1:40:24.840 there it does kill him. And and I missed. I 1:40:24.960 --> 1:40:27.120 missed the first one that flew by, and then a 1:40:27.200 --> 1:40:29.960 little while later another one came and I was able 1:40:30.040 --> 1:40:33.000 to nail that one and get my my first duck. Yeah. 1:40:33.080 --> 1:40:38.000 On her second shot at a duck, ever kills a duck, 1:40:38.800 --> 1:40:41.280 which was just impressive, you know, because it's I can 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:43.519 remember my first duck took a box and a half 1:40:43.560 --> 1:40:46.920 of shells before. Yeah, but you probably like schooled up 1:40:47.000 --> 1:40:49.320 and um from spearfish, and you're schooled up and how 1:40:49.360 --> 1:40:54.599 to like track and track and lead, right, I would 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.519 hope that the instinct is there. Um, But I was 1:40:57.640 --> 1:41:01.479 just I was over the moon surprise and just so ecstatic. 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:07.120 Oh my gosh, we're both like that weird moment of 1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:10.240 where you're giggling with happiness but also like on the 1:41:10.320 --> 1:41:12.599 edge of teers, you know, just because you're so stoked 1:41:12.600 --> 1:41:16.000 about the moment. And uh, I think we shot three 1:41:16.080 --> 1:41:19.880 ducks at more. It was pretty slow, but we like 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:22.599 at least kind of got that out of the way. 1:41:22.680 --> 1:41:24.360 It was pretty slow, and then when the sun came 1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:27.760 up it was directly in our face too, and the 1:41:27.920 --> 1:41:32.640 east side of the lake, um was smashing ducks. There 1:41:32.680 --> 1:41:35.240 was a bunch of hunters over there, and my goodness, 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:37.720 like the shots coming from over there, and so we 1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:41.560 were kind of in this moment of oh, there's that 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:45.120 local knowledge, right, like they knew something we didn't know. 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:48.559 We saw all these birds over here, but they're shooting them, 1:41:48.760 --> 1:41:53.160 they're banging them over there and UH. Anyway, so we 1:41:53.720 --> 1:41:57.679 picked up and get back to the to the boat 1:41:57.760 --> 1:42:03.519 ramp and UH rangers there and he's just moving the 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:07.479 dock and Max gets out of the boat to go 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:10.000 get the truck and it's like a long walk back 1:42:10.040 --> 1:42:13.479 to the truck and he offers Max a ride and 1:42:14.000 --> 1:42:16.680 Max jumps in with him to get a ride back 1:42:16.720 --> 1:42:22.160 to the truck. And on their drive back, UM, he 1:42:22.320 --> 1:42:27.080 asked Max where where we hunted? Max goes the west side. Wait, no, 1:42:28.400 --> 1:42:32.920 the east side. And that was the extent of the conversation, 1:42:33.080 --> 1:42:35.600 and then they just like talked about other things and 1:42:35.720 --> 1:42:38.040 Max even brought that up when he came down back 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:40.280 to us. Was like, I was like, what do you 1:42:40.320 --> 1:42:42.080 guys talk about? He's like, Oh, he just asked where 1:42:42.120 --> 1:42:44.479 we hunted and whatever else. I said, well, you know, 1:42:45.080 --> 1:42:46.639 you tell him we were over on that west side. 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:49.080 He's like yeah, I couldn't remember, you know, I've I 1:42:49.200 --> 1:42:51.120 was like screwed up on where we were, so I 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:55.120 got turned around. I said, both, which is just like 1:42:56.600 --> 1:42:59.160 just one of those things that like it's the damnedest thing. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:05.320 Um Anyway, So so that afternoon we went back out 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:10.400 and checked out that spot and um or like that 1:43:10.680 --> 1:43:13.519 island with the wind situation is going to be the 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:15.400 spot to be. We need to be out on that island. 1:43:16.560 --> 1:43:19.760 And so the next morning that's what we did, and 1:43:19.880 --> 1:43:23.280 we had like this just there's like a nice little 1:43:24.320 --> 1:43:27.680 nook in this rock to put a boat in, and like, 1:43:28.080 --> 1:43:30.519 you know, nice little flat spot to put a blind on, 1:43:30.960 --> 1:43:33.479 and you're just like, oh, this is this is perfect. 1:43:33.680 --> 1:43:36.720 You know. It was really nice, even as someone who 1:43:36.760 --> 1:43:40.479 doesn't know anything about duck hunting, like everything about that 1:43:40.680 --> 1:43:45.120 set up just felt perfect. And right when the sun 1:43:45.240 --> 1:43:49.400 came up, like ducks just started flying in everywhere. It was. 1:43:51.160 --> 1:43:54.880 It was action. It was amazing and um it was 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:58.200 just like turned up a hundred times from the day before. 1:43:58.640 --> 1:44:01.160 And I kind of felt a lot more confident now 1:44:01.200 --> 1:44:03.400 because I already hadn't the first monkey off my back 1:44:03.479 --> 1:44:06.360 and I just started shooting and birds were just dropping 1:44:06.400 --> 1:44:09.439 and it was just the most amazing day ever. I 1:44:09.600 --> 1:44:11.600 just like when Sean told me to do something. I 1:44:11.720 --> 1:44:14.719 did it and it worked and it um and Kimmy 1:44:14.840 --> 1:44:21.160 was crushing it, like I'm truth is she's just smoking birds. Meanwhile, 1:44:21.200 --> 1:44:26.320 her toes or tone over and uh yeah, I mean 1:44:26.439 --> 1:44:30.200 she shoots like this, this drake pintail, that eight inch brig, 1:44:30.960 --> 1:44:34.720 you know, big beautiful winter pintail, and it's just like 1:44:34.960 --> 1:44:37.840 something dreams were made of how the hunt worked out, 1:44:37.880 --> 1:44:40.439 and you're getting singles and pairs and I don't even 1:44:40.600 --> 1:44:43.080 know what a what a stud or what a trophy is. 1:44:43.080 --> 1:44:45.640 All I know is that I just shot, like shaking 1:44:45.760 --> 1:44:48.120 and being like oh my god, Like I'm like, this 1:44:48.240 --> 1:44:51.760 isn't really stoked on how you couldn't have wrote it 1:44:51.840 --> 1:44:53.760 up any better for me? It was cool to see 1:44:53.800 --> 1:44:56.360 a variety of birds too, you know. The day before 1:44:56.439 --> 1:44:58.640 it was three teals that we shot, and on this 1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:02.720 day we're talking like pintails. We saw hand mallard, we 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:06.920 saw widgeons. I shot you know, drake widgeon and peels 1:45:07.040 --> 1:45:10.040 and all kinds of things. Goad while I think, yeah, 1:45:10.360 --> 1:45:14.720 like it was. It was the best education and the 1:45:14.840 --> 1:45:20.200 most glorious feeling of victory, like we're just on and 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:23.839 uh like that that hunt was wonderful. It was just perfect. 1:45:24.360 --> 1:45:28.120 And after that hunt, we head back to camp and 1:45:28.560 --> 1:45:31.200 we're talking about, you know, how awesome this is all going. 1:45:31.400 --> 1:45:34.639 And this is the best episode of my host season already. 1:45:34.920 --> 1:45:37.559 It's in the bag. Let's go do a plucking scene, 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:41.880 you know, like we're we're we're good and um, so 1:45:42.120 --> 1:45:43.439 that's what we want to do. Want to do a 1:45:43.479 --> 1:45:45.880 plucking scene. Yeah, that afternoon we went and we were 1:45:45.880 --> 1:45:47.880 going to go just you know, pluck our birds and 1:45:48.439 --> 1:45:51.639 and honestly get some time lapse as a sunset stuff 1:45:51.720 --> 1:45:57.960 like that. And we drove because my truck was just 1:45:58.080 --> 1:46:01.080 stuffed full of you know, every thing, and hooked up 1:46:01.120 --> 1:46:03.599 to the boat and we're like, yeah, we'll just jump 1:46:03.680 --> 1:46:09.160 in the rental which is two wheel drive, and not 1:46:09.280 --> 1:46:11.320 to throw him under the bus, but Max is driving 1:46:12.080 --> 1:46:16.880 and we go down to the we go down to 1:46:17.000 --> 1:46:21.280 this sandy sand bar area and for whatever reason, he 1:46:21.400 --> 1:46:25.479 just pulls off like the packed you know, to track 1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:29.760 and sinks that sucker right up to the frame in 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:33.240 real deep sand. And we tried digging it out for 1:46:34.040 --> 1:46:36.240 an hour. We tried a lot of stuff. We tried 1:46:36.320 --> 1:46:40.000 going around getting me woods, having to get under the tires, 1:46:40.080 --> 1:46:44.160 we tried rocks, we tried to try to dig the frame. 1:46:44.560 --> 1:46:50.400 I was texting cal what do we do? And eventually 1:46:50.479 --> 1:46:52.439 we get to the point of Max goes to walk 1:46:52.600 --> 1:46:55.679 up to like the closest house, which because he felt 1:46:55.760 --> 1:46:59.439 so bad because he knew that yeah, his driving did that. 1:46:59.600 --> 1:47:02.280 So so we're trying to call a tow truck by now. 1:47:02.360 --> 1:47:03.880 But I think Max just like was not going to 1:47:03.960 --> 1:47:07.519 accept that, like financial defeat, and so he's like, no, 1:47:07.560 --> 1:47:10.000 I'm gonna set off on foot and go knock door 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:12.240 to door and I'm going to find us, you know, 1:47:12.720 --> 1:47:16.760 some help. And and Max gets to this house where 1:47:17.560 --> 1:47:21.280 he finds a guy that's I don't even know how to. 1:47:21.600 --> 1:47:24.160 Max was like on speaker phone and like knocking the 1:47:24.240 --> 1:47:26.000 door to door, and then he starts getting distracted and 1:47:26.040 --> 1:47:28.040 be like, wow, this one house has all this waterfall 1:47:28.080 --> 1:47:30.519 and gear in it and and no one's home, but man, 1:47:30.600 --> 1:47:34.000 this gear shots. Keep keep knocking, keep walking. Hold like 1:47:34.080 --> 1:47:40.160 he's casing the place in the yard to be best friends. Yes, no, 1:47:40.320 --> 1:47:42.840 that is what he is. That is exactly how Max 1:47:43.000 --> 1:47:45.000 is thinking about that. You know, he's thinking of it 1:47:45.120 --> 1:47:48.160 like hey, duck kinnor we should all be buddies. But 1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:49.880 then then he gets to this one house and this 1:47:49.960 --> 1:47:52.160 guy opens the door and says, are you the FBI 1:47:52.360 --> 1:47:55.040 or c I A and Max I say neither. He said, 1:47:55.080 --> 1:47:57.960 then come on in and have a beer, man, And 1:47:59.120 --> 1:48:02.720 apparently the guy's wife is playing the drums and you 1:48:02.760 --> 1:48:04.760 can hear the drums in the background, and Max is 1:48:04.840 --> 1:48:07.680 trying to give his pitch of like, you know, we 1:48:07.800 --> 1:48:09.600 just got stuck in the sand down there. Do you 1:48:09.640 --> 1:48:12.519 think you can help us out? And he's like, I'm retired, 1:48:12.600 --> 1:48:15.559 That's what I live for. Hold on, let me find 1:48:15.600 --> 1:48:21.360 some more gummies and find my keys. Yes and so, 1:48:22.560 --> 1:48:24.920 and Max is on speakers this is all happening. But 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:27.200 I've been calling tow truck and now we end up 1:48:27.240 --> 1:48:30.519 in this situation where this guy is coming with his 1:48:30.680 --> 1:48:34.320 truck and the tow trucks already on the way. I'm like, Max, 1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:38.400 if the guy is, you know, having gummies, like, probably 1:48:38.439 --> 1:48:40.000 don't need him to come pull us out, you know, 1:48:41.000 --> 1:48:44.800 And uh, He's like, I don't know. He really he said, 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:47.960 I'm coming down. He really wants to help. A quick note, Uh, 1:48:48.240 --> 1:48:50.720 we should run a go me through there through the 1:48:54.600 --> 1:48:56.800 it's going to turn into full time job here. But 1:48:56.880 --> 1:48:59.800 apparently while the guy was looking for his keys, this um, 1:49:00.479 --> 1:49:03.559 this big black, mysterious truck that we've been seeing around 1:49:03.680 --> 1:49:07.599 for days, Like yeah, like that, they're heavy. I don't 1:49:07.640 --> 1:49:10.720 know anything about tires and duck trucks, but all I 1:49:10.760 --> 1:49:13.360 know is these guys were like frothing over some truck 1:49:13.520 --> 1:49:15.880 envy every time we saw this truck somewhere. And even 1:49:15.920 --> 1:49:17.960 when we first got stuck, Max was like, well, what 1:49:18.080 --> 1:49:20.120 if we found the guy with the black truck, you know? 1:49:20.400 --> 1:49:23.439 And and that black truck pulled up to that house 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:26.000 while the guy was looking for his keys did not 1:49:26.200 --> 1:49:29.320 live there, but just wanted to introduce himself and say, hey, 1:49:29.360 --> 1:49:33.360 I'm gonna be your neighbor for a while and that, yeah, yeah, 1:49:33.680 --> 1:49:36.840 this is a weird trip. And and Max was like, 1:49:36.880 --> 1:49:38.360 oh my god, it's the guy in the black truck. 1:49:38.760 --> 1:49:42.040 And so he went up to him, and Max is 1:49:42.120 --> 1:49:46.920 talking to the gummy bong lady, still playing pulls the 1:49:47.280 --> 1:49:51.200 truck guy yes to introduce himself to the gummy bongle Yes, 1:49:52.600 --> 1:49:55.640 is there? Yes, And while they're going to get the 1:49:55.680 --> 1:49:58.240 truck that they wished they had looking for the keys 1:49:58.439 --> 1:50:02.080 for his truck. Then then the cool truck pull it up, 1:50:02.160 --> 1:50:05.920 and Max was just like, you know, hey, like gave 1:50:06.000 --> 1:50:08.559 him the same pitch. And then so he showed up 1:50:09.080 --> 1:50:11.720 and he brings a friend. Yeah, which so yeah, the 1:50:11.800 --> 1:50:15.760 black truck was the pitch. Are you like just help 1:50:15.840 --> 1:50:23.760 us friendly? You know, just witness trying to do a transaction. 1:50:23.800 --> 1:50:25.960 He's just trying to get help. I don't know if 1:50:26.000 --> 1:50:31.120 he had a compensation pack okay in return for helping us. 1:50:31.920 --> 1:50:36.240 And so the like older gentleman in this in this 1:50:36.360 --> 1:50:42.000 big black truck has a friend with him and he's 1:50:42.080 --> 1:50:43.800 the guy that lives in the house with all the 1:50:43.880 --> 1:50:47.360 duck hunting stuff. And anyway, they agree they come down 1:50:47.439 --> 1:50:49.880 to help. So now we've got two trucks that come down, 1:50:50.000 --> 1:50:54.880 one gummy guy and the other um the black truck, 1:50:56.040 --> 1:51:00.160 and we got a great big yeah. So they get 1:51:00.200 --> 1:51:03.439 out to hook up and like we're laying out kind 1:51:03.479 --> 1:51:06.040 of how to get this thing out safely and easily. 1:51:06.760 --> 1:51:09.800 And the guy in the the two guys in the 1:51:09.840 --> 1:51:12.960 truck get out and the one guy comes over to 1:51:13.040 --> 1:51:16.799 introduce himself and Max is like just kind of staring 1:51:16.840 --> 1:51:18.600 at him a little bit, like looking at him, like 1:51:18.720 --> 1:51:23.000 he recognizes him. And he comes over and introduces himself, 1:51:24.120 --> 1:51:29.160 and uh, instantly, both Max and I are like, holy shit, 1:51:29.840 --> 1:51:32.560 Like this is a guy that Max is known for 1:51:32.800 --> 1:51:36.960 years since he was probably and used to work with, 1:51:38.080 --> 1:51:43.360 and um, you know he's this guy isn't just like 1:51:43.600 --> 1:51:46.360 a running the middle guy that you like run into 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:49.400 every now and then as a buddy from town. This 1:51:49.560 --> 1:51:53.600 guy used to be like a really big name in 1:51:53.720 --> 1:51:58.400 waterfowl hunt and purposely took a step back and like 1:51:58.600 --> 1:52:01.640 got like went radio silent. No one knows where he 1:52:01.800 --> 1:52:04.360 is anymore, got out of the industry. Are we not 1:52:04.479 --> 1:52:08.600 saying his name? Okay? Oh yeah, because he does not 1:52:09.000 --> 1:52:11.720 and I don't. I don't know that country, so I 1:52:11.760 --> 1:52:13.400 don't know his name. But I will just say that 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:19.439 it was willful forced into taking getting out of the industry. No, 1:52:19.680 --> 1:52:22.200 he didn't, Yeah, it was willful. Yeah, he wanted to 1:52:22.320 --> 1:52:25.840 just disappear, I guess. But but Shine and Bath, we're 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:27.840 just like, you don't understand who this is, Like this 1:52:27.960 --> 1:52:31.120 guy is a legend, you know, like he was the man. 1:52:31.800 --> 1:52:34.120 And the fact that he's the one here with the 1:52:34.200 --> 1:52:37.160 black truck that we've been seeing around like and he's 1:52:37.200 --> 1:52:40.280 here to save us, Like this is amazing. Yeah, and 1:52:40.520 --> 1:52:43.559 so you know, it's kind of just one of those 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:48.400 just weird serendipity moments. You're like, this doesn't make sense, 1:52:48.439 --> 1:52:50.960 how this is all shaken out. So anyway, he gets 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:55.160 us pulled out and we're going to leave and he 1:52:55.400 --> 1:53:01.000 pulls into his place, Um, and I I stopped by 1:53:01.040 --> 1:53:03.120 their quick and I'm like, I gotta go, you know, 1:53:03.240 --> 1:53:06.400 say thanks one more time. He absolutely saved our can 1:53:07.880 --> 1:53:11.880 and uh walk over. We start chatting. He goes, so, 1:53:11.880 --> 1:53:14.759 where'd you guys hunt today? I said, oh, we hunted 1:53:14.840 --> 1:53:18.880 over on the We hunted over on that island. And 1:53:19.000 --> 1:53:23.040 he goes, uh, you know you can't hunt there, right, 1:53:25.200 --> 1:53:31.280 And my heart sank. I can imagine. I'm like, what 1:53:31.320 --> 1:53:33.679 do you mean you can't hunt there? There's no signs, 1:53:33.760 --> 1:53:37.280 there's no there's nothing on you know, on X there's 1:53:37.360 --> 1:53:40.200 no signs at the boat ramp. Nothing. He's like, yeah, 1:53:40.439 --> 1:53:43.479 there isn't like you're not going to see signs or anything, 1:53:43.560 --> 1:53:48.640 but you you can't hunt there according to according to 1:53:49.320 --> 1:53:55.920 the state park that manages this this lake. And I'm 1:53:55.960 --> 1:53:59.000 just like, I'm begging him for any kind of information, right, 1:53:59.040 --> 1:54:02.519 I'm like, you gotta mad apper anything. He's like no, 1:54:02.800 --> 1:54:04.720 I'm like well it's not on their website, you know. 1:54:04.840 --> 1:54:07.439 He's like, no, it's not, like but you can't hunt there. 1:54:08.840 --> 1:54:13.840 And so then I'm like, you know, ship Max, come 1:54:13.920 --> 1:54:17.200 on out here, Like what is it? What is it 1:54:17.360 --> 1:54:19.720 ten o'clock at night? Nine? It's probably nine o'clock. And 1:54:19.880 --> 1:54:21.760 I stayed in the truck when they jumped out to 1:54:21.800 --> 1:54:24.000 say thanks without it's just cold, and I'm like, man, 1:54:24.560 --> 1:54:27.840 they really love this guy, Like they just say we 1:54:27.840 --> 1:54:30.560 should really get home, like this is a long thank you, 1:54:30.920 --> 1:54:33.960 you know. But then they got back in the truck 1:54:34.040 --> 1:54:37.200 and the energy was just very, very different. We went 1:54:37.360 --> 1:54:40.720 from on a high to these episodes in the bag 1:54:40.840 --> 1:54:46.240 this is the best thing ever, like to just like, gut, 1:54:46.720 --> 1:54:51.840 we just did everything wrong. And when you told me that, like, 1:54:53.200 --> 1:54:58.240 oh man, like I can't even to process that feeling 1:54:58.560 --> 1:55:03.040 of having a day that just felt so special, you know. 1:55:03.080 --> 1:55:04.760 I mean that's what it was, is that we're all 1:55:05.040 --> 1:55:08.840 just like enjoying it and celebrating it and just um, 1:55:09.400 --> 1:55:12.480 every single bird that we shot it just like it 1:55:12.640 --> 1:55:16.480 was something that I spelt like the most sentimental victorious 1:55:16.640 --> 1:55:19.840 moment ever. And then to experience it together was so great, 1:55:19.880 --> 1:55:22.760 and I was just like living off of this fresh, 1:55:22.920 --> 1:55:26.360 fresh buzz and and then to be told that what 1:55:26.480 --> 1:55:32.720 we did was illegal was the most depressing, tainting feeling. 1:55:33.320 --> 1:55:37.000 And just I just I just want I did. I 1:55:37.040 --> 1:55:39.720 didn't want that to be true, Like my brain just 1:55:39.880 --> 1:55:42.920 didn't want that to be true. I just wanted to 1:55:43.120 --> 1:55:46.760 find a way where that wasn't true. UM, because I 1:55:46.880 --> 1:55:49.440 just that was a reality I wasn't quite ready to 1:55:49.520 --> 1:55:53.800 accept and we had no The other real hard part 1:55:53.840 --> 1:55:57.000 about it was that I'm pouring over stuff on my 1:55:57.120 --> 1:56:01.080 computer just trying to find like any way to confirm this, 1:56:01.640 --> 1:56:04.920 and you know, the state park is closed and there's 1:56:04.960 --> 1:56:07.800 no phone number for them, and there's no way to 1:56:07.920 --> 1:56:15.280 figure out how to get ahold of them. And eventually, honestly, 1:56:15.400 --> 1:56:22.240 looking through some um like emergency information I found on 1:56:22.320 --> 1:56:25.200 a forum somewhere, you know, recognize that like who you're 1:56:25.200 --> 1:56:28.040 supposed to call to get ahold of the state park 1:56:28.480 --> 1:56:32.120 is you're supposed to call the county dispatch, like you're 1:56:32.160 --> 1:56:39.400 calling nine one one pretty much, um. And we know 1:56:39.600 --> 1:56:42.600 we can't do that until the next morning pretty much 1:56:42.760 --> 1:56:46.560 because they're not accessible. They're not available the like the 1:56:47.200 --> 1:56:52.640 rangers aren't. UM. I had I had texted Cal earlier, 1:56:52.840 --> 1:56:54.840 just when our car was stuck, and I sent him 1:56:54.880 --> 1:56:56.920 a picture, and so right when I was calling into bed, 1:56:56.960 --> 1:57:00.280 he texted me back, put the floor mats under the 1:57:00.360 --> 1:57:03.440 tires for attraction. And I just wrote back, I'm like, um, 1:57:03.880 --> 1:57:05.960 we're not stuck, but we have bigger problems than that. 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:09.880 And I actually told, you know, call what had happened. 1:57:09.920 --> 1:57:13.480 And he said to me, like where your exact text, 1:57:13.560 --> 1:57:17.280 I think was honesty is the best policy, um, and 1:57:17.360 --> 1:57:20.280 you need to like, you know, call, call and turn 1:57:20.360 --> 1:57:25.280 yourself in. And I just, man, like, I just felt 1:57:25.280 --> 1:57:31.160 like a freaking fugitive, you know, Like I I just 1:57:31.200 --> 1:57:33.120 couldn't even believe that I was reading those words. And 1:57:33.160 --> 1:57:35.520 so of go to sleep like on those words, like 1:57:35.520 --> 1:57:36.920 you know, and like, oh, we're gonna have to like 1:57:37.440 --> 1:57:40.240 and not and not having like because at that moment, 1:57:40.440 --> 1:57:45.800 like all you want is that like release of getting 1:57:45.840 --> 1:57:50.720 it off your chest, right, and it's like it's you know, 1:57:50.840 --> 1:57:53.040 eleven o'clock at night. There's literally nothing we can do 1:57:53.240 --> 1:57:56.720 right now. And it was just awful. It was awful. 1:57:57.240 --> 1:58:03.120 And so we went into the next morning with kind 1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:06.880 of two things hanging over our head. One that we 1:58:07.040 --> 1:58:10.320 now know all the footage we've shot so far can't 1:58:10.320 --> 1:58:14.200 be used, and even if it could be used, it 1:58:14.240 --> 1:58:18.480 would be wrong of us to use it. And because 1:58:18.480 --> 1:58:22.840 we're hunting somewhere we couldn't be and I should I 1:58:22.840 --> 1:58:25.560 should add a clarification on that. The spot that we 1:58:25.640 --> 1:58:29.120 were hunting is just not open to hunting. It's not 1:58:29.360 --> 1:58:34.280 a refuge or anything like that. Um, we didn't know 1:58:34.320 --> 1:58:36.760 what the ramifications were at the time, right, Like, we 1:58:36.880 --> 1:58:40.200 have no clue what's going to happen ultimately when we 1:58:40.240 --> 1:58:42.200 do get ahold of the rangers and talk to them 1:58:42.240 --> 1:58:44.640 about it, Like if you're gonna get coughed and stuffed, right, 1:58:44.760 --> 1:58:48.320 That's what I was thinking. But so we have that 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:51.600 hanging over our head. But we also have this, you know, 1:58:51.800 --> 1:58:56.720 production matter hanging over our head. And so and I 1:58:56.840 --> 1:58:59.440 do regret this as a as a producer, for sure. 1:59:00.280 --> 1:59:02.920 Is you know, the in the morning, like my game 1:59:03.000 --> 1:59:05.800 plan is, okay, well, let's just start from scratch. Let's 1:59:05.800 --> 1:59:08.440 start like we never hunted the last two days, because 1:59:08.480 --> 1:59:10.520 that footage will never see the light of day anyway, 1:59:11.360 --> 1:59:16.760 and start from ground zero. And I wish I hadn't 1:59:16.840 --> 1:59:19.800 done that. But Sean just felt so bad because we 1:59:19.920 --> 1:59:22.440 had these you know, these days of shooting and producing 1:59:22.520 --> 1:59:25.480 and you're spending someone's production budget, Like that's a lot 1:59:25.560 --> 1:59:27.840 of pressure when you're the producer of something and it's 1:59:27.840 --> 1:59:29.560 all on your shoulders. And then to find out we 1:59:29.640 --> 1:59:32.360 had absolutely nothing usable and not only were we just 1:59:32.960 --> 1:59:36.280 wasting time not getting a show done, but we're doing 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:39.920 things that were illegal. Like that's a lot to hold 1:59:40.240 --> 1:59:44.240 on your shoulders. And so he instantly went into solution 1:59:44.320 --> 1:59:46.960 mode of like, how do we save this episode? Can 1:59:47.120 --> 1:59:49.280 You're gonna have to pretend like this is your first 1:59:49.360 --> 1:59:52.440 bird all over again? And none of that felt right 1:59:52.760 --> 1:59:54.840 to any of us. And so now we're filming and 1:59:54.880 --> 1:59:58.800 I'm like, we had to do a whole intro again, 1:59:59.400 --> 2:00:03.600 we're not actors or actresses, Like, it just sucked big time. 2:00:03.680 --> 2:00:07.520 And again, it still wasn't even um. The offices weren't open, 2:00:07.560 --> 2:00:09.720 so we hadn't even turned ourselves in yet. So you 2:00:09.840 --> 2:00:12.080 just feel like a big And I'm on the phone 2:00:12.120 --> 2:00:15.080 with Steve just like trying to find a way to extend, 2:00:16.280 --> 2:00:18.520 you know, extend our shoots so we can at least 2:00:18.600 --> 2:00:21.680 have something to come from that we're there and still 2:00:21.760 --> 2:00:24.400 waiting to hear back from a game Warden or a ranger. 2:00:24.640 --> 2:00:26.640 And I was just so excited to eat my ducks 2:00:26.680 --> 2:00:28.520 and now I'm like, they're not even mine. And that 2:00:28.720 --> 2:00:31.200 was probably one of the most heartbreaking things, was just 2:00:31.400 --> 2:00:38.840 like tears. This is like my dream, you know, and 2:00:38.920 --> 2:00:41.320 now I just had this whole variety of pack of 2:00:41.440 --> 2:00:45.640 birds that like when when you get your prey, there's 2:00:45.680 --> 2:00:49.120 some sort of emotional connection that happens, just like this attachment, 2:00:49.240 --> 2:00:51.040 like where it becomes a part of you, and like, 2:00:51.520 --> 2:00:54.000 all of a sudden is just like those aren't even mine, 2:00:54.680 --> 2:00:57.800 you know, Like do I even will I even get 2:00:57.880 --> 2:00:59.720 to eat them? What's going to happen to them? Are 2:00:59.760 --> 2:01:01.440 they going to go to waste? That was one thing 2:01:01.520 --> 2:01:04.480 that just kept going through my head, like not only 2:01:05.080 --> 2:01:06.920 did you kill them in a place you weren't supposed to, 2:01:07.360 --> 2:01:10.320 but now what's going to happen to these birds? And 2:01:10.560 --> 2:01:13.040 so we're sitting on the east side where we know 2:01:13.200 --> 2:01:16.560 we can hunt, where all these guys have been shooting 2:01:16.600 --> 2:01:19.000 the heck out of birds, and now all of a sudden, 2:01:19.000 --> 2:01:21.800 the realization hits us, like the reason they were shooting 2:01:21.840 --> 2:01:24.720 the heck out of birds, it's because we were pushing 2:01:24.760 --> 2:01:28.480 all the birds out of the spot. Right, and so 2:01:28.600 --> 2:01:31.160 now we're sitting there waiting for a call back from 2:01:31.960 --> 2:01:35.080 from the ranger. And now we're sitting there waiting for 2:01:35.160 --> 2:01:39.080 a call back from the ranger, and it's crickets. We 2:01:39.160 --> 2:01:42.320 don't like, we don't have a duck anywhere. We didn't 2:01:42.360 --> 2:01:46.000 see one single all day. You really got to just 2:01:46.040 --> 2:01:51.560 sit in that blind alone with your feelings. It was miserable. 2:01:51.960 --> 2:01:57.400 And they're called forts kiming and we and we finally 2:01:57.480 --> 2:02:00.440 do get called sad for it that day, we finally 2:02:00.520 --> 2:02:04.600 do get a call from the from the ranger. And 2:02:05.080 --> 2:02:08.480 when I mean, we're talking an anvil off my shoulders 2:02:08.720 --> 2:02:12.280 because he's like, man, that happens all the time out here. 2:02:12.960 --> 2:02:17.040 We actually even changed some of the the layout of 2:02:17.160 --> 2:02:23.440 where can be hunted this year because of the drought. Um, like, no, 2:02:23.680 --> 2:02:27.640 you can't hunt there. I'm glad you called and told 2:02:27.720 --> 2:02:30.760 us that you hunted there, like, thank you for reporting, 2:02:30.920 --> 2:02:33.880 but nobody else called you in which, you know, looking 2:02:33.920 --> 2:02:37.320 back on it, I wonder why they're all like happy 2:02:37.400 --> 2:02:47.320 we were over and uh, you know, it's just one 2:02:47.360 --> 2:02:50.520 of those moments of did he right then and there? Say, 2:02:51.320 --> 2:02:54.160 well you're called that's it. First you have to call 2:02:54.200 --> 2:02:56.880 a dispatch and he's wanted to talk to a ranger, 2:02:57.000 --> 2:02:59.160 but in order to even talk to a ranger, you 2:02:59.240 --> 2:03:01.080 had to tell it dispatch everything that we did. And 2:03:01.080 --> 2:03:03.720 they're like, oh, okay, you know, and they have to 2:03:03.760 --> 2:03:06.720 call you, don't give you the number for the ranger, 2:03:08.760 --> 2:03:10.400 and then they range your call it back and and 2:03:10.520 --> 2:03:14.480 and he's like, you know, when we do ticket for it, 2:03:14.920 --> 2:03:20.600 you know, eight six dollar like state park violation, which 2:03:20.680 --> 2:03:24.760 is like, thank goodness, but no ticket. What do you 2:03:24.760 --> 2:03:27.760 tell you to do with your ducks? Just keep just 2:03:27.840 --> 2:03:31.680 keep Yeah, you know, it really was honesty. Yeah, and 2:03:31.760 --> 2:03:34.400 it's a it's a rule of that place, but it's 2:03:34.440 --> 2:03:36.400 not like it's a it's not like you're on a 2:03:36.480 --> 2:03:41.040 federal refuge or something like that. And uh So at 2:03:41.080 --> 2:03:43.440 that moment kind of we have like at least the 2:03:43.760 --> 2:03:47.840 comfort of knowing like that's kinda in the wind. But 2:03:48.000 --> 2:03:50.960 we've had this awful hunt this morning. We're like, okay, 2:03:51.000 --> 2:03:52.960 we gotta get the hell out of here, Like we 2:03:53.040 --> 2:03:56.040 gotta get somewhere else that isn't a cloud hanging over 2:03:57.760 --> 2:04:01.880 And so we left him. He said, man, truth or consequences, Yeah, 2:04:01.960 --> 2:04:08.000 there you go, dude. But and so we we had 2:04:08.040 --> 2:04:10.560 told our truth and we thought we had you know, 2:04:11.040 --> 2:04:14.000 that was our consequence. But little dude, we know the 2:04:14.120 --> 2:04:17.560 suffering was yet to come and the desert itself was 2:04:17.600 --> 2:04:20.800 going to give us our real consequences. Yeah, like that 2:04:21.040 --> 2:04:23.080 was only our drama was just getting I feel like 2:04:23.160 --> 2:04:27.880 I'm reading a Larry McMurtry, which I don't remember where 2:04:27.960 --> 2:04:31.400 this lands in the Lonesome Dove series, but man, so 2:04:32.120 --> 2:04:35.280 I know that, dude, Yeah, I know that think and feeling. Um, 2:04:37.000 --> 2:04:40.000 it's the worst. It was like, you know what it is, man, 2:04:41.280 --> 2:04:44.680 There's like a moral component exactly makes it like if 2:04:44.760 --> 2:04:47.800 someone if if you drive, let's say you're in a 2:04:47.880 --> 2:04:50.800 seventy mile hour zone and you'd go buy eighty five 2:04:51.640 --> 2:04:54.080 in a in a police car pulls out with the 2:04:54.200 --> 2:04:58.720 lights on, you are like damn it. But it's not 2:04:58.800 --> 2:05:02.520 like a morally sickening feeling. Right, It's like you just 2:05:02.600 --> 2:05:05.200 wish you weren't going fast, right, It's not like a 2:05:05.440 --> 2:05:10.360 judgment has been made on your soul. Yeah, you're ashamed 2:05:10.400 --> 2:05:13.240 of yourself. Oh my god. Yeah. When cal just wrote 2:05:13.320 --> 2:05:15.280 that to me, like honesty is the best policy and 2:05:15.320 --> 2:05:18.400 turn yourself and I just felt like a little kid, 2:05:18.760 --> 2:05:22.640 like being sent to the principal's office, like not wanting 2:05:22.680 --> 2:05:24.920 to go. I was just like, I wish you didn't 2:05:24.960 --> 2:05:27.360 tell me that, you know, like I wish you just said, oh, 2:05:27.560 --> 2:05:33.000 that's okay, can here something. I don't know exactly, but 2:05:33.600 --> 2:05:36.800 but I will say that when Sean made that call, 2:05:37.320 --> 2:05:40.320 like before we even knew what the consequences would or 2:05:40.320 --> 2:05:42.160 would not be, because we had to wait for a 2:05:42.240 --> 2:05:45.080 call back, But when he made that call, regardless of 2:05:45.200 --> 2:05:47.640 whether we're all going to go be behind bars, we 2:05:47.760 --> 2:05:51.280 all felt a hundred times better just from making it. 2:05:51.360 --> 2:05:54.080 And that was neat to me because I was dreading 2:05:54.280 --> 2:05:56.840 that moment. I was absolutely that now we're going to 2:05:56.920 --> 2:06:00.400 say it out loud, and this sickening feeling of shame 2:06:00.640 --> 2:06:02.920 that I am feeling is going to be all the 2:06:03.000 --> 2:06:05.920 more real. It was the opposite. When you made that call, 2:06:06.120 --> 2:06:08.440 I just felt every part of us lightly and just 2:06:08.600 --> 2:06:11.480 to know that, Okay, no matter what, we're not holding 2:06:11.560 --> 2:06:13.720 this thing, and we're not holding it in the dark, 2:06:13.800 --> 2:06:17.160 which is like the intuitive thing I think too. You know, 2:06:17.720 --> 2:06:20.680 as a human to feel when you screw up is 2:06:20.760 --> 2:06:26.280 to feel like hiding and and honesty is the best policy. 2:06:26.360 --> 2:06:29.360 In the minute that you made that call, even though 2:06:29.360 --> 2:06:31.640 I didn't know what's going to happen, we all felt 2:06:31.720 --> 2:06:35.800 a lot better. Yeah, and we you know, in the moment, 2:06:36.040 --> 2:06:40.840 we thought like, after having talked to him, we kind 2:06:40.880 --> 2:06:45.680 of thought the consequences, at least legally like weren't there. 2:06:46.840 --> 2:06:49.960 We still saw it as like consequences from a production 2:06:50.080 --> 2:06:51.640 standpoint of how the hell are we going to get 2:06:51.640 --> 2:06:54.600 an episode? Like, but now it's like, it feels like 2:06:54.840 --> 2:06:58.800 the consequences aren't so dire now after talking to him, 2:06:59.560 --> 2:07:02.600 and then it's like, hold on the Desert does have 2:07:03.080 --> 2:07:05.840 some consequences for you, Like, you guys aren't getting away 2:07:06.240 --> 2:07:10.440 that I told that damn story in it bratslor. You 2:07:10.520 --> 2:07:15.880 wanna talk about a tender story, that tough story, I 2:07:15.960 --> 2:07:21.280 can't tell it's tougher tender. And so the next morning 2:07:21.480 --> 2:07:23.480 take a core out of that story. Next morning we 2:07:23.600 --> 2:07:26.880 kill some ducks at a new place. Yeah. So the 2:07:27.000 --> 2:07:29.960 next morning we go to a new place and it 2:07:30.160 --> 2:07:35.560 wasn't your seasoned duck hunt. Yep, by this why she's 2:07:35.560 --> 2:07:39.680 calling them blind? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, always before it's 2:07:39.720 --> 2:07:42.320 to me. But we go to this other spot and 2:07:42.680 --> 2:07:45.880 you know, there was some action, which was way better 2:07:45.960 --> 2:07:48.320 than not seeing a single duck the day before. But 2:07:48.480 --> 2:07:52.720 I will say I could not shoot to save my life. 2:07:52.800 --> 2:07:56.520 And I think it's because I had so much hesitation 2:07:56.720 --> 2:08:00.760 now over pulling that trigger, because I had gotten into 2:08:00.880 --> 2:08:03.040 my groove like in a couple of days before, and 2:08:03.120 --> 2:08:06.920 I had had this amazing experience and whatever, and then 2:08:07.160 --> 2:08:10.760 that whole thing just got like no, actually you didn't. 2:08:11.040 --> 2:08:13.560 You were just messing up, and you really screwed up 2:08:13.640 --> 2:08:17.360 and you did something bad. And so it's crazy the 2:08:17.440 --> 2:08:21.080 next day trying to pull trigger, like I was hesitating 2:08:21.600 --> 2:08:26.360 like crazy, and I was screwing up everything. Um, and 2:08:26.440 --> 2:08:29.760 Sean wasn't shooting good either, Like we both were just sucking. 2:08:30.840 --> 2:08:33.760 I got one one bird. If this hadn't been if 2:08:33.760 --> 2:08:35.760 you guys weren't filming this, this feels like this would 2:08:35.760 --> 2:08:37.240 have been the time when you just go, look, we 2:08:37.320 --> 2:08:39.360 just gotta call it like this is man like, we 2:08:39.920 --> 2:08:41.760 like it's best that we just shut this thing down 2:08:41.800 --> 2:08:44.600 and walk away. And I've said it a ton of 2:08:44.680 --> 2:08:48.240 time since then, Um, just talking about this hunt and 2:08:48.280 --> 2:08:54.240 talking about Kimmy, is that hunt and this whole experience 2:08:54.400 --> 2:08:56.960 put me through the wringer. And I've been through some 2:08:57.080 --> 2:09:01.280 tough waterfowl hunts and some stuff where it's like mm hm, 2:09:01.840 --> 2:09:04.360 this makes you not want to do it quite so bad. 2:09:05.080 --> 2:09:08.440 And then to put a camera crew through it, and 2:09:08.520 --> 2:09:11.480 to put a brand new duck hunter through it, and 2:09:11.720 --> 2:09:14.960 Kimmy kept sticking it out, and you know, that morning 2:09:15.000 --> 2:09:18.520 we had shot some ducks, and then that that afternoon 2:09:18.640 --> 2:09:20.680 we go scout and we're still kind of playing with 2:09:20.840 --> 2:09:23.280 like how many days left we even have to produce 2:09:23.400 --> 2:09:26.520 something here, and we're like, okay, the next day, so 2:09:26.680 --> 2:09:29.640 what would now be our second day at this new spot, 2:09:29.960 --> 2:09:33.720 We're like, we have to hunt all day because we gotta, like, 2:09:33.880 --> 2:09:38.320 we gotta get something going on here. And that's like 2:09:38.480 --> 2:09:41.160 a after how many days we've been there at this point. 2:09:41.200 --> 2:09:44.160 We've been there for six days at that point. Really 2:09:44.240 --> 2:09:47.400 really sorry, that's a hard proposition, you know, it's a 2:09:47.480 --> 2:09:50.080 hard like it's hard on everybody when you're like, okay, 2:09:50.320 --> 2:09:53.400 three am, wake up call tomorrow and we're hunting till dark. 2:09:54.440 --> 2:09:58.600 And but that's what we did, and we didn't shoot 2:09:58.960 --> 2:10:02.440 eight damn duck. No. We didn't see a single duck though, 2:10:02.800 --> 2:10:07.320 And we're in the same lake, different side. We're on 2:10:07.400 --> 2:10:09.480 the west side now instead of the east on this 2:10:09.640 --> 2:10:13.280 new body of water, and uh, yeah, so you can 2:10:13.360 --> 2:10:15.000 hunt the west side of this new body of water. 2:10:15.480 --> 2:10:18.400 And we're on the west side hunting and we don't 2:10:18.400 --> 2:10:22.280 see a thing, don't have it even a prayer when 2:10:22.320 --> 2:10:25.280 we sit all day, and some like fishermen come screw 2:10:25.400 --> 2:10:27.920 us up a little bit and like some guys are 2:10:28.040 --> 2:10:33.280 setting fishing hundred yards from our decoys set and we're 2:10:33.360 --> 2:10:36.400 just like, they're like, I don't know what they're doing here. 2:10:36.440 --> 2:10:40.120 There's no catch or break. And at this point we 2:10:40.200 --> 2:10:43.040 do know that we only have one day left of hunting. 2:10:43.640 --> 2:10:46.120 One morning that was a really junk day because we 2:10:46.200 --> 2:10:48.320 only had one morning left and we just spent a 2:10:48.520 --> 2:10:53.960 whole day and all of our energy for nothing, just zero. Yeah. 2:10:54.440 --> 2:10:57.440 So we pack up that day after a long, hard 2:10:57.520 --> 2:11:01.760 day of saying nothing, and we're on our first trip across, 2:11:02.320 --> 2:11:05.120 headed back to the boat ramp and that fuel tank 2:11:05.240 --> 2:11:08.920 runs out, which is like nothing abnormal. You know, you 2:11:09.040 --> 2:11:13.240 have to fuel tanks and go to switch tanks and 2:11:14.240 --> 2:11:20.000 the boat and start like, for whatever reason, I kept 2:11:20.040 --> 2:11:23.200 saying that it's flooded. It has to be flooded. Somebody 2:11:23.240 --> 2:11:25.520 squeeze the ball too much, you know, like it has 2:11:25.600 --> 2:11:27.480 to be because it was right when we switched the 2:11:27.520 --> 2:11:29.800 gas tank. It would just have to be a fuel thing. 2:11:30.440 --> 2:11:34.440 And there must have been something like a slow drain 2:11:34.720 --> 2:11:36.960 on that battery or whatever the heck. It was like 2:11:37.080 --> 2:11:43.120 that sucker wouldn't start, and the wind switches and pushes 2:11:43.280 --> 2:11:45.440 us all the way across the lake to the opposite 2:11:45.560 --> 2:11:47.920 end where from where the boat ramp is. It's dark, 2:11:48.120 --> 2:11:51.280 like it's blackout where it's now black. We realize it's 2:11:51.320 --> 2:11:53.320 not a fuel problem. It's a dead battery. We don't 2:11:53.360 --> 2:11:56.120 have a spare battery. Were adrift on a cold lake 2:11:56.400 --> 2:11:59.520 and it's dark, and we're nine miles from a boat 2:11:59.640 --> 2:12:05.960 ramp um and no polls start on that thing. No, no, yeah, 2:12:07.160 --> 2:12:10.720 And uh so we land on the shore and and 2:12:10.840 --> 2:12:13.840 we get ahold, get ahold of the park ranger because 2:12:14.160 --> 2:12:21.280 we now know to call county dispatch again your favorite. 2:12:23.320 --> 2:12:25.760 They get a park ranger dispatch to come get us, 2:12:26.280 --> 2:12:28.760 and he calls me and he's like, hey, I'm gonna 2:12:28.760 --> 2:12:31.680 go grab my boat quick. I'll be right there, you know, 2:12:31.800 --> 2:12:36.760 give me a half hour. And he comes running across 2:12:36.800 --> 2:12:38.480 the lake and for whatever reason, it must have been 2:12:39.600 --> 2:12:42.680 like looking at a compass or who knows, like, I 2:12:42.760 --> 2:12:44.520 don't know what he was looking at. You don't know anything. 2:12:44.600 --> 2:12:47.760 We just saw a red light zooming across from the 2:12:47.800 --> 2:12:51.440 boat ramp going the wrong way, and then it looked 2:12:51.480 --> 2:12:53.440 like it was on land, so we're like, maybe that 2:12:53.600 --> 2:12:58.000 was a car. And he calls me after I don't 2:12:58.040 --> 2:13:01.520 know fifteen minutes and he's like, a I ran aground 2:13:02.000 --> 2:13:05.400 and I'm stuck stuck. He's like, and I'm like, well, 2:13:05.480 --> 2:13:08.040 if you know, if four of us walk over there 2:13:08.040 --> 2:13:10.280 and push the boat, like, can we get it unstuck. 2:13:10.400 --> 2:13:13.280 He's like, no, it's on it's on the shore. He's like, 2:13:13.360 --> 2:13:15.840 we're not even gonna worry about my boat tonight, but 2:13:16.000 --> 2:13:18.920 now I need to be rescued and then be rescued. 2:13:19.160 --> 2:13:22.800 He calls another park ranger from from turns out the 2:13:22.880 --> 2:13:25.960 place where we had already talked to the park rangers. 2:13:27.360 --> 2:13:31.120 By the time we get back to our new airbnb, 2:13:31.480 --> 2:13:34.600 like it's about I think it's like at least one 2:13:34.640 --> 2:13:36.680 thirty in the morning, and we have to wake up 2:13:37.080 --> 2:13:38.840 in an hour and a half in order to get 2:13:38.880 --> 2:13:40.960 back out there again. And like this is after a 2:13:41.040 --> 2:13:43.760 day of just being like beat down, like and I 2:13:43.880 --> 2:13:47.160 just remember telling myself like Okay, I'm gonna set my alarm, 2:13:47.720 --> 2:13:50.680 but if that alarm buzzes and my body says, hell no, 2:13:51.200 --> 2:13:53.880 I'm gonna listen and I'm gonna call it because it 2:13:54.000 --> 2:13:56.400 feels like everything and its power is trying to just 2:13:56.600 --> 2:13:59.280 like not make me a duck hunter. And I'm not 2:13:59.360 --> 2:14:01.960 gonna like do something stupid with a gun tomorrow because 2:14:01.960 --> 2:14:04.560 I'm too tired, and you know, it's just thinking all 2:14:04.600 --> 2:14:06.320 these things. And instead I woke up like half an 2:14:06.360 --> 2:14:08.920 hour early, came out to the living room Shawns. They're 2:14:08.960 --> 2:14:11.640 all dressed up waiting, the boys jump in and it's 2:14:11.680 --> 2:14:14.560 like we all just like went out for this next day. 2:14:14.960 --> 2:14:16.760 And I remember that whole drive, we kept saying, like, 2:14:17.120 --> 2:14:19.160 I know we're going to hit a wall, like we're 2:14:19.240 --> 2:14:21.640 so tired, but we don't feel it. We're just jacked 2:14:21.720 --> 2:14:24.600 up off of absolute catastrophe at this point, you know, 2:14:24.720 --> 2:14:27.920 you get like a high and energy from it, and 2:14:28.280 --> 2:14:29.920 we're just like, we're gonna hit a wall sometime, but 2:14:30.000 --> 2:14:32.560 it's not now. Let's just keep going. And we got 2:14:32.640 --> 2:14:35.040 to the spot that day and for the first time 2:14:35.200 --> 2:14:38.280 in our whole whatever it was nine days there, the 2:14:38.480 --> 2:14:41.959 weather forecast was right, the wind was in the right direction. 2:14:42.640 --> 2:14:46.240 Like everything you started feeling good. The decoys looked great, 2:14:46.520 --> 2:14:49.440 and before the sun was even up, there were ducks 2:14:49.840 --> 2:14:53.280 landing in them and everything, like the momentum just started 2:14:53.320 --> 2:14:56.360 getting better and better. And we never hit a wall. 2:14:56.720 --> 2:15:00.320 We just like we started doing things with this flow 2:15:00.480 --> 2:15:04.880 and this sense of purpose because we had been through 2:15:04.960 --> 2:15:08.680 the wringer. We survived it together. Not one single person 2:15:08.800 --> 2:15:12.400 complained this was our last day and we just knew, 2:15:12.720 --> 2:15:16.280 like it is go time. It was and it was 2:15:17.480 --> 2:15:20.080 do it now or don't do it all. There was 2:15:20.200 --> 2:15:22.600 something really surreal about showing back up to that lake 2:15:22.640 --> 2:15:24.920 when we had just been there a few hours before, 2:15:25.160 --> 2:15:27.120 you know, a drift with the moon up, and but 2:15:27.280 --> 2:15:29.400 it was neat. It was like I felt like we 2:15:29.560 --> 2:15:32.320 finally earned our place. There is what I felt like. 2:15:32.440 --> 2:15:34.320 To me. It's like, okay, I know this place. I 2:15:34.480 --> 2:15:37.040 was just curled up trying to sleep in these blind 2:15:37.120 --> 2:15:42.040 covers here, you know, and let's do this. And the 2:15:42.160 --> 2:15:45.440 birds came in and and it was a great day. 2:15:46.280 --> 2:15:51.240 They didn't stop coming. The religion. We're just there and 2:15:51.600 --> 2:15:53.760 I mean we've been seeing them there, right, we knew 2:15:53.840 --> 2:15:55.920 they were there, but just getting on them was the 2:15:56.000 --> 2:15:59.040 trick and we you know, it kind of got into 2:15:59.120 --> 2:16:01.200 one of those like spot out on a spot moments 2:16:01.680 --> 2:16:05.600 of where this is where you got to be and 2:16:06.000 --> 2:16:11.720 we were on it, and we went from thinking we 2:16:11.760 --> 2:16:14.200 would never get an episode out of this and that 2:16:16.360 --> 2:16:21.520 I had lost any capability as a producer to like 2:16:22.040 --> 2:16:26.760 we put like, we put our nose down and got 2:16:26.800 --> 2:16:31.400 it done and Kimmy shot great. I shot great, like 2:16:31.720 --> 2:16:35.800 Widgeon perfectly fluttering in the sun over the decoys. After 2:16:35.879 --> 2:16:38.200 we shot our limits, ages still were coming like it 2:16:38.440 --> 2:16:41.640 was just it was a good day all over again. 2:16:42.280 --> 2:16:46.320 But um, but one that it really felt like we 2:16:46.400 --> 2:16:47.800 had to cut. We can't de terms with it. We 2:16:47.879 --> 2:16:52.160 earned it, you know. It wasn't unlike the Island feeling 2:16:52.560 --> 2:16:56.000 too good to be true like now. It was like, boy, 2:16:56.120 --> 2:17:02.520 we worked for this one introspections ms Ree got humbled exactly, 2:17:03.000 --> 2:17:07.600 and we got a duck hunting story that I don't 2:17:07.680 --> 2:17:11.880 want to experience again, but I will never forget. I 2:17:11.959 --> 2:17:17.200 mean you couldn't. Yeah, you gotta everybody's like bad thing 2:17:17.280 --> 2:17:20.200 of the season and one night. Yeah, yeah, this is 2:17:20.280 --> 2:17:22.080 like more than a duck hunting story, man, this is 2:17:22.160 --> 2:17:24.280 like a fable that we're gonna have to tell some 2:17:24.520 --> 2:17:26.880 people learned lifeless to go down to the town council. 2:17:28.240 --> 2:17:30.920 I think we should keep truth or consequence, right, We 2:17:31.040 --> 2:17:34.280 just need to change why you got to up? You 2:17:34.320 --> 2:17:40.160 guys got any we can carve exactly? Well? Glad he 2:17:40.240 --> 2:17:48.400 came out of it. Yeah, good lord, Marks, But when did? 2:17:48.640 --> 2:17:50.880 When did the adrenaline wear off? And you guys definitely 2:17:50.959 --> 2:17:53.240 all hit a wall because you know that, But for me, 2:17:53.360 --> 2:17:56.840 it didn't like I finally got my duck hunting dream back, 2:17:57.240 --> 2:18:01.240 like after struggling and suffering. And there's something about suffering 2:18:01.760 --> 2:18:04.160 that will make you appreciate that dream so much more. 2:18:04.320 --> 2:18:07.600 And and we were done duck hunting. And then and 2:18:07.680 --> 2:18:10.039 then Sean and I were just like, now let's drive 2:18:10.080 --> 2:18:11.840 to hatch and go get some green chilies. Like we 2:18:11.959 --> 2:18:16.240 were just we were on a high. Yeah you know, Sean, 2:18:16.280 --> 2:18:20.080 I spend night in jail, did you do? Tell I 2:18:20.160 --> 2:18:21.600 haven't gone. I'll tell you a part of it. I'll 2:18:21.600 --> 2:18:23.080 tell you the whole story Sunday, I'll tell you part 2:18:23.080 --> 2:18:25.560 of it. I had. We bought a bottle of mad Dog. 2:18:27.000 --> 2:18:30.880 All great stories. My buddy Fits, I don't remember this, 2:18:31.000 --> 2:18:33.280 my buddy Fits says, I was drinking that mad dog 2:18:34.000 --> 2:18:36.039 and said, I'll be out of control in about forty 2:18:36.120 --> 2:18:43.200 five minutes. He said that's about one. God, he said, 2:18:43.200 --> 2:18:45.320 its about forty five minutes later you drop off in 2:18:45.360 --> 2:18:54.800 a police car. We're youngsters. Everybody ended on a cautionary tale. 2:18:56.440 --> 2:18:59.120 No where you're hunting. You know, Sean, you have a 2:18:59.160 --> 2:19:03.240 duck report coming up about influenza. Yep, tease it titilated. 2:19:04.520 --> 2:19:09.240 We are seeing an unprecedented outbreak in avian influenza that's 2:19:09.320 --> 2:19:13.440 never been seen in North America, nothing even close, um, 2:19:14.320 --> 2:19:17.920 and it's actually poured over from poultry back into wild birds. 2:19:18.760 --> 2:19:20.720 And it's something to be worried about. Stay tuned for 2:19:20.760 --> 2:19:22.520 that ship, ladies and gentlemen. We gotta get him on 2:19:22.600 --> 2:19:24.840 soon to tell that Krin. Make a note your notebook 2:19:24.840 --> 2:19:30.880 about that. Alright, guys, Sean Weaver, Kevin Glaspie, Kimmy Werner, 2:19:32.280 --> 2:19:34.960 we're gonna kick your asses and trivia. Thanks everyone,