1
00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:22,520
Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan in Vino Veritas. In

2
00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,560
Speaker 1: wine there's truth. I don't necessarily know if there's truth,

3
00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,840
Speaker 1: but I think that consumption of a nice bottle of

4
00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,600
Speaker 1: wine may loosen you up to speak of things that

5
00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,000
Speaker 1: otherwise might not be said in any other circumstance. And

6
00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,839
Speaker 1: as a vessel, there are not too many other things

7
00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,040
Speaker 1: out there that function that are quite as exquisite as

8
00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,159
Speaker 1: a nice wine bottle. And there's all kinds now that

9
00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,000
Speaker 1: are out there in different colors and shapes. Certainly they

10
00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,600
Speaker 1: all retain kind of a basic they're on basic anatomy.

11
00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,600
Speaker 1: But today I want to talk about a case that

12
00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,200
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe, where a wine bottle actually is

13
00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,400
Speaker 1: used as a weapon to take the life of an

14
00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,520
Speaker 1: elderly woman. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body

15
00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:20,679
Speaker 1: Bags talk about the Grapes of Wrath, Dave. This case

16
00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,040
Speaker 1: that we've got today is I'm really not trying to

17
00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,720
Speaker 1: be funny, but it is quite striking. It's something that

18
00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,080
Speaker 1: I haven't come across. I've worked a number of bludgeonings

19
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,360
Speaker 1: over the course of my career with heavy objects and

20
00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,600
Speaker 1: this sort of thing, but you generally don't think of

21
00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,919
Speaker 1: a wine bottle as being resilient enough to impact someone

22
00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,600
Speaker 1: to bring about a death. And it's not just a

23
00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,240
Speaker 1: single blow, and it is not just a single injury,

24
00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,400
Speaker 1: it is multiple injuries. In today's case.

25
00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to add one more thing too, Joe. The

26
00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,240
Speaker 2: idea is that the wine bottles are empty. I don't

27
00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,720
Speaker 2: know if that means anything to you, but it makes

28
00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,560
Speaker 2: a difference to me because I thought if you were

29
00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,160
Speaker 2: hitting somebody with a bottle, if it had something in it,

30
00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,560
Speaker 2: it would be more deadly than it would be if

31
00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,240
Speaker 2: it was empty. It seems like it would be more

32
00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,200
Speaker 2: app to crack and be useless if it was empty,

33
00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,560
Speaker 2: just a shattered glass. But that's the TV and movie

34
00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,400
Speaker 2: person watching that the breakaway glass. In real life glass

35
00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,840
Speaker 2: doesn't break away and go on to people. It's kind

36
00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,280
Speaker 2: of if you've ever been hit in the head in

37
00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,919
Speaker 2: a fight, you don't get up and take three more.

38
00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,959
Speaker 2: If you get a good hit to the face, I'm

39
00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,440
Speaker 2: telling you the fight's pretty much over.

40
00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,720
Speaker 1: Particularly with a head strike and with an object in particular,

41
00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,079
Speaker 1: it'll take you to your knees. I mean, you might

42
00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,280
Speaker 1: get back up, but you're not going to be the

43
00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,720
Speaker 1: same person as when you went down, or at least

44
00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,720
Speaker 1: for that moment. Tom.

45
00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,119
Speaker 2: Now, in this particular case, we have a thirty six

46
00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,440
Speaker 2: year old man, Sean Questa, and we have his sixty

47
00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,960
Speaker 2: four year old mother, Connie Questa, And according to a neighbor,

48
00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,040
Speaker 2: there had been arguments and loud arguments in the past,

49
00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,760
Speaker 2: so much so that a couple of weeks prior to

50
00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,760
Speaker 2: the mom we're talking about, this same neighbor went next

51
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,240
Speaker 2: door and actually stopped the two of them from arguing.

52
00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,080
Speaker 2: So it hadn't gotten violent yet, but it had gotten

53
00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,240
Speaker 2: loud enough and enough noises being made that the neighbor

54
00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,840
Speaker 2: was worried. But when it got really bad this time

55
00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,120
Speaker 2: Sean Questa, the thirty six year old son of Connie Questa.

56
00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,079
Speaker 2: According to police and according to the neighbor, there was

57
00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,720
Speaker 2: at first a verbal argument. That verbal argument became physical

58
00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,880
Speaker 2: and at first it was throwing objects. There are several

59
00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,480
Speaker 2: different objects that were apparently thrown. It was when they

60
00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,920
Speaker 2: got they Obviously it's a fight, it's not just one sided.

61
00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,240
Speaker 2: It's not just the son throwing things at the mother

62
00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,080
Speaker 2: who's dodging them. She actually was fighting back. She had to.

63
00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,760
Speaker 2: When the son got to the wine bottles. That's when

64
00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,680
Speaker 2: he decided this is the weapon. According to a neighbor,

65
00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,040
Speaker 2: it sounded like they were tearing the building down by

66
00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,560
Speaker 2: the time the neighbor got there. And you and I

67
00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,840
Speaker 2: were talking about this before, because there's been some mention

68
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,160
Speaker 2: of Connie Questa's spouse naming him, and I don't know

69
00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,440
Speaker 2: why that is, but they've named the son who's been arrested,

70
00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,720
Speaker 2: but they haven't named the spouse. They call him the spouse. Anyway.

71
00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,360
Speaker 2: When he got he wasn't home when all this is

72
00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,120
Speaker 2: going on. A neighbor told him, hey, man, this is

73
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,040
Speaker 2: it's bad. That's when they went in and found Connie

74
00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,640
Speaker 2: Questa on the floor in the master bedroom. When they

75
00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,160
Speaker 2: found her shirt was off and her panties were down

76
00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,600
Speaker 2: to her knees, and the police found blood in the

77
00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,480
Speaker 2: living room, substantial blood in the living room, and of

78
00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,080
Speaker 2: course in the master bedroom where they found her body

79
00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:31,680
Speaker 2: faced down.

80
00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,240
Speaker 1: A lot of dynamics here. Let's go back to the

81
00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,159
Speaker 1: bottles real quick, because this is significant when you're talking

82
00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,880
Speaker 1: about kind of this impassioned and you see it a

83
00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,920
Speaker 1: lot with familial cases. People are always terrified of stranger

84
00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,440
Speaker 1: on stranger crime that's not what terrifies me. And it

85
00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,600
Speaker 1: is scary. You know, if you're walking down a darkened street,

86
00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,760
Speaker 1: you come across an alley, the hair on the back

87
00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,000
Speaker 1: of your neck stands up. You don't know what's down

88
00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,839
Speaker 1: the alley. Who's down the alley in more danger with

89
00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,159
Speaker 1: the people that are in your inn circle than you

90
00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,680
Speaker 1: ever will be out on the street in most cases.

91
00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,560
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about an intimate environment, When something

92
00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,200
Speaker 1: as odd as a wine bottle is retrieved and is

93
00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,960
Speaker 1: used as a weapon in investigations, that's something that we

94
00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,839
Speaker 1: call a weapon of opportunity.

95
00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,640
Speaker 2: We know the arguing started early in the day, around

96
00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,640
Speaker 2: ten am, and continued all day long, enough so that

97
00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,480
Speaker 2: the neighbor was bothered by it. And when the victim's

98
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,520
Speaker 2: spouse came home, the neighbor went out and got him

99
00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,520
Speaker 2: and said, there's something bad that's been going on all

100
00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:36,200
Speaker 2: day now. According to police, the investigation reveals that apparently

101
00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,919
Speaker 2: Sean Questa was throwing stuff at Connie, first his stepmother

102
00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,840
Speaker 2: or mother, and then started beating her in the head

103
00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,160
Speaker 2: with the wine bottles. I'm going to use plural because

104
00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,240
Speaker 2: I gotta assume a bottle is going to break Joe,

105
00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,160
Speaker 2: the head is not soft tissue, is it. Have you

106
00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,120
Speaker 2: ever dealt with this, Joe, a wine bottle?

107
00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,880
Speaker 1: I have had No. I have not had a wine bottle.

108
00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,360
Speaker 1: I have had a whiskey bottle, several whiskey bottles, one

109
00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,560
Speaker 1: in particular, where it was in fact broken and the

110
00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,160
Speaker 1: remainder of the bottle was used to cut with and

111
00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,320
Speaker 1: that was a very brutal case. But where you're talking

112
00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,440
Speaker 1: about someone utilizing a wine bottle, which I have to say,

113
00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,720
Speaker 1: you were talking about kind of the robust nature of glass.

114
00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,440
Speaker 1: It seems to me, at least wine bottles tend to

115
00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,919
Speaker 1: be again, and I know that it's going to be

116
00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,960
Speaker 1: heavily depended upon manufacturer, they tend to be a bit

117
00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,400
Speaker 1: more robust than say a standard whiskey bottle. For me,

118
00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,159
Speaker 1: they do. Now you can have decorative whiskey bottles that

119
00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,599
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I'm sure they are more robust, but

120
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,880
Speaker 1: on the whole they are. All of these bottles have

121
00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,279
Speaker 1: a very specific anatomy. You have the mouth or the opening,

122
00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,120
Speaker 1: and then the neck, which is generally used if you're

123
00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,160
Speaker 1: going to use it as something that weaponize it. It's

124
00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,000
Speaker 1: going to be used as a handle to grip it with.

125
00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,000
Speaker 1: But as the neck descends down into the bottle itself,

126
00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,359
Speaker 1: it turns into what's referred to as the shoulders, and

127
00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,360
Speaker 1: then you have this kind of cylindrical area that makes

128
00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,840
Speaker 1: up what's referred to as the label field on these things.

129
00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,280
Speaker 1: As it curves down the base of it is called

130
00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,800
Speaker 1: the heel, and around the heel, if you'll notice there

131
00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,560
Speaker 1: are these little many times these little ridges. And when

132
00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,800
Speaker 1: we talk about pattern injuries, we talk about pattern injuries,

133
00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,800
Speaker 1: you can actually with something like this, particularly if it's

134
00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,200
Speaker 1: used on the long end, you can see a pattern.

135
00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,560
Speaker 1: And here's a little unknown factoid. The indented part at

136
00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,400
Speaker 1: the base of the bottle is actually referred to as

137
00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,920
Speaker 1: the punt punt, and it's the glass appears to be thicker.

138
00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,720
Speaker 1: I think that that probably in the manufacture of the

139
00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,120
Speaker 1: thing is that's probably where they close it off. More

140
00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,600
Speaker 1: than likely. So the bottle itself has a very unique

141
00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,640
Speaker 1: form to it, and it's certainly in wine circles it

142
00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,840
Speaker 1: has a very unique function to it. They talk about

143
00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,840
Speaker 1: things about like the poor and all these sorts of things.

144
00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,400
Speaker 1: These people that are wine of fishionados, not casting dispersions.

145
00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,280
Speaker 1: It's just it's all part and parcel of what they

146
00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,880
Speaker 1: do in this world when it's weaponized. If we look

147
00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,080
Speaker 1: at the design of a bottle like this, it's not

148
00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,200
Speaker 1: too dissimilar, I think in certain forms, as the form

149
00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,360
Speaker 1: of a baseball bat, how the tapering kind of increases.

150
00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,280
Speaker 1: It expands out as you move away from the handle,

151
00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,560
Speaker 1: so you can probably leverage it in the same manner

152
00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,120
Speaker 1: and deliver the same amount of injury. But I do

153
00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,440
Speaker 1: know this, Dave. In this particular case, a woman's life

154
00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:46,720
Speaker 1: ended because of an impact from a wine bottle when

155
00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,760
Speaker 1: ms Quester's husband found her. It's often hard for me,

156
00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,000
Speaker 1: even though I've seen so many of these cases, to

157
00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,960
Speaker 1: try to put myself into what we refer to in

158
00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,960
Speaker 1: depth investigation as the finder's position. On a little aside,

159
00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,080
Speaker 1: I still remember the first time I ever found a body.

160
00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,640
Speaker 1: I was never the finder. I was always the person

161
00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,560
Speaker 1: that would come out to the scene because someone else

162
00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,320
Speaker 1: was the finder. And I actually discovered a body in

163
00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,040
Speaker 1: a house subsequent to an ongoing investigation into another death.

164
00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,520
Speaker 1: And I entered a bedroom and found a guy wrapped

165
00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,760
Speaker 1: in a carpet that had been beaten to death with

166
00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,280
Speaker 1: a crowbar. And what a way to start off with

167
00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,280
Speaker 1: the first one you ever find is a guy that,

168
00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,160
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, was bludgeoned death. So it's really hard for

169
00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,920
Speaker 1: me to put myself in the position of the finder

170
00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,280
Speaker 1: to think about what they're experiencing in their mind. When

171
00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,960
Speaker 1: you walk into the home in which you've occupied with

172
00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,440
Speaker 1: your wife and your family all these years, and you

173
00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,480
Speaker 1: look around and you know that there's a lot of

174
00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,520
Speaker 1: destruction in here. We're talking about a fight. And the

175
00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,320
Speaker 1: reason I know this is that police have said that

176
00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,120
Speaker 1: you've got blood that is essentially in the living room,

177
00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,720
Speaker 1: and we know her body was found in the master bedroom,

178
00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,280
Speaker 1: so you've got a fight that initiated somewhere and continued on.

179
00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,240
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons when you hear us AWK

180
00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,760
Speaker 1: on television in particular, and reporters talk to people like

181
00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,760
Speaker 1: me or police officers, they'll say, well, was there any

182
00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,920
Speaker 1: sign of a struggle? Our standard format is, well, there

183
00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,040
Speaker 1: was no signs of forced entrance struggle, And it's almost

184
00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,440
Speaker 1: boiler plate. We say that all the time. It either

185
00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,120
Speaker 1: is or it isn't. In this particular case, there was

186
00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,360
Speaker 1: a sign of a struggle here.

187
00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,920
Speaker 2: Day right, and oddly enough, we have a backup just

188
00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,440
Speaker 2: a little bit to the neighbor, the neighbor who he's

189
00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,200
Speaker 2: feeling a lot of guilt. I saw an interview that

190
00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,440
Speaker 2: he did, and because he's the neighbor who actually broke

191
00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,360
Speaker 2: up an argument between the mother and the son weeks

192
00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,520
Speaker 2: before this happened, and was aware there was an ongoing

193
00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,840
Speaker 2: stressor here the sons that he had lived with the

194
00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,360
Speaker 2: mom on and off of the last several years. Now

195
00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,360
Speaker 2: in this particular case, the neighbor told police that they

196
00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,120
Speaker 2: heard arguing and noises all throughout the day, starting here

197
00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,439
Speaker 2: about ten o'clock that morning until early in the evening.

198
00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,720
Speaker 2: By the time police were there, it was nine o'clock

199
00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,880
Speaker 2: at night. So you've got a fight that began an

200
00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,760
Speaker 2: argument at ten am roughly and continued all the way

201
00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,280
Speaker 2: and kept escalating to the point where we know it

202
00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,040
Speaker 2: went from verbal to physical where the wine bottles came

203
00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,120
Speaker 2: into play, and we know that it was actually finished off.

204
00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,720
Speaker 2: The day was not finished off with a wine bottle.

205
00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,880
Speaker 2: It was finished off with something else. But before we

206
00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,400
Speaker 2: get to that, according to the neighbor, they hard arguments

207
00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,240
Speaker 2: from ten o'clock in the morning. They heard loud banging

208
00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,520
Speaker 2: and yelling coming from the apartment. When the victims spouse

209
00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,040
Speaker 2: arrived at the scene, the concerned neighbor informed him about

210
00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,960
Speaker 2: the commotion. The commotion had been going on for some

211
00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,360
Speaker 2: time and immediately called nine to one one. Then now

212
00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,080
Speaker 2: that spouse then goes into the apartment where he finds

213
00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,920
Speaker 2: his wife on the floor of the master bedroom, face

214
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,760
Speaker 2: down and she's cold to the touch. Then called nine

215
00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,560
Speaker 2: one one, sends the fireman, paramedics, whoever else shows up,

216
00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,960
Speaker 2: and they declared her debt on the scene. Is that

217
00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,360
Speaker 2: a situation where the coroner somebody in your position would

218
00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,439
Speaker 2: then come out to the scene because you do have

219
00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,680
Speaker 2: a death scene here. They're not taking her to the

220
00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,840
Speaker 2: hospital to see if they can save her life. They've tried,

221
00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,440
Speaker 2: know she's gone, and that way you can get a

222
00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,320
Speaker 2: look at the whole scene to try to figure out

223
00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,800
Speaker 2: where these injuries came from.

224
00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is in most jurisdictions. Here's a little unknown

225
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,760
Speaker 1: fact that people might not be aware of the corner

226
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,400
Speaker 1: where you still have corner systems in place. Florida is

227
00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,280
Speaker 1: not one of those states. They have district medical examiners

228
00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,400
Speaker 1: down there well, and even in city in Miami Day

229
00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,800
Speaker 1: they have their own medical examiner. But where you have

230
00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,400
Speaker 1: a corner do you know that if there is a

231
00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,360
Speaker 1: body on the scene, the corner is actually in charge

232
00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,160
Speaker 1: of the scene until that body leaves.

233
00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,160
Speaker 2: Didn't know that.

234
00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the presence of a body trumps everything else that's

235
00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,720
Speaker 1: going on. Now, look, you can take that kind of

236
00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,800
Speaker 1: power and you can be a real jerk about it.

237
00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,120
Speaker 1: That's not good. You need to play nice with everybody.

238
00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,480
Speaker 1: And generally the corner will acquiesce and say, yeah, you guys,

239
00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,120
Speaker 1: do what you need to do, but let me know

240
00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,360
Speaker 1: what you're going to do, because I have to still

241
00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,560
Speaker 1: take this body back and have it examined, and I

242
00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,840
Speaker 1: need it. I need all of the context of the

243
00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:54,440
Speaker 1: body there.

244
00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,440
Speaker 2: Now that makes sense. That's the whole thing about to

245
00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,160
Speaker 2: whom much is given, much is required. And yeah, you've

246
00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,040
Speaker 2: got all this power, but you better darnwell know exactly

247
00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:02,640
Speaker 2: what happened.

248
00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, precisely, And so you have to have kind of

249
00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,440
Speaker 1: an understanding of that. You have to sit back and

250
00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,480
Speaker 1: just kind of understand how the rattling hum of a

251
00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,200
Speaker 1: scene goes. But in this case, the corner or the

252
00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,520
Speaker 1: medical examiner down there, it would have been an emmy

253
00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,400
Speaker 1: investigator more than likely that had shown up at the scene.

254
00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,280
Speaker 1: Here's something else I know, and this is quite critical

255
00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,440
Speaker 1: when her body was observed at the scene. One of

256
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,480
Speaker 1: the key things that stood out to me about this

257
00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,080
Speaker 1: case is the fact that they stated her body was

258
00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,600
Speaker 1: cold to the touch. And when somebody says the body

259
00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,559
Speaker 1: is cold to the touch, first off, that's not vernacular

260
00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,559
Speaker 1: that the public generally uses. Again, that goes back to

261
00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,120
Speaker 1: boiler plate. When we in the medical legal field make

262
00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,920
Speaker 1: an assessment of the body, we're not going to give

263
00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,280
Speaker 1: an actual body temperature. We'll say the body is cold

264
00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,760
Speaker 1: or cool to the touch, and it's just something that

265
00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,839
Speaker 1: it sounds like that. Whoever wrote that for the news

266
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,160
Speaker 1: media got that information from the police more than likely

267
00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,760
Speaker 1: and that was the origin of that. And so you

268
00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,360
Speaker 1: would have to work the scene by bit. And because

269
00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,360
Speaker 1: there's so much what I would think, at least what

270
00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,439
Speaker 1: I would refer to as particulate evidence here, we've probably

271
00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,920
Speaker 1: understated this. This isn't just one wine bottle. There were

272
00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,679
Speaker 1: multiple wine bottles that were found at the scene and utilized.

273
00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,120
Speaker 1: And I'm with you, Dave. When I hear about an

274
00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,280
Speaker 1: empty wine bottle, I'm thinking, well, why would you have

275
00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,520
Speaker 1: empty wine bottles? Well, let's consider the probability here because

276
00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,520
Speaker 1: this plays into the investigation. Had there been a big party,

277
00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,920
Speaker 1: you had mentioned a critical piece of information. This fight

278
00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,680
Speaker 1: had been going on for some time well, where the

279
00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,040
Speaker 1: parties involved drinking with one another, because as you know,

280
00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,840
Speaker 1: and I know, liquor many times as devil's fuel, and

281
00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,640
Speaker 1: so the more you consume, the more dicey things can get.

282
00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,000
Speaker 1: And then it comes to this horrible crescendo at the

283
00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,600
Speaker 1: end of the day. Or did somebody like to collect

284
00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,600
Speaker 1: wine bottles? And some of these wine bottles look like art.

285
00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,920
Speaker 1: You see lights made out of them, all kinds of stuff,

286
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,440
Speaker 1: and they have beautiful labels. And I've got friends that

287
00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,120
Speaker 1: collect wine bottles. Do they just have a collection of

288
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,120
Speaker 1: wand bottles? Because to the eye aesthetically they're pleasing. So

289
00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,200
Speaker 1: you think about all of these things. And when the

290
00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,600
Speaker 1: sun is looking for something to utilize as a weapon,

291
00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,600
Speaker 1: this is the first thing he's seen after he's allegedly

292
00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,760
Speaker 1: being assaulted. In all of this, they're throwing something. That's

293
00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,040
Speaker 1: the whole point is it went from a verbal altercation.

294
00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,000
Speaker 1: The verbal was loud enough that neighbors heard it. The

295
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,600
Speaker 1: neighbors heard the arguing at ten in the morning. Then

296
00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,560
Speaker 1: it escalated to the throwing of things, and that's where

297
00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,400
Speaker 1: I wonder if there were other things thrown first, and

298
00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,920
Speaker 1: if it was mom and son. Now, you and I

299
00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,080
Speaker 1: both have noted there have been a couple of reports

300
00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,280
Speaker 1: here saying that this was that Connie Questa is the stepmother.

301
00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,800
Speaker 1: It was reported that in the headline, Now, Joe, when

302
00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,640
Speaker 1: you have a victim who is found without a shirt

303
00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,120
Speaker 1: and with panties pulled down to her knees, does that

304
00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,680
Speaker 1: immediately tell you there was a sexual assault? Or do

305
00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,800
Speaker 1: you look at it as maybe she was down in

306
00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,280
Speaker 1: the living room and the suspect drug her into the

307
00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,440
Speaker 1: master bedroom and in the process of dragging her the

308
00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,600
Speaker 1: shirt pulled up and the panties pulled down. That is

309
00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,240
Speaker 1: a possibility. But from an investigative perspective, I'm treating this

310
00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,280
Speaker 1: like a sexual assault anytime I see a female while

311
00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,960
Speaker 1: male for that matter, with their pants down around their

312
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,800
Speaker 1: knees and their genitalia is exposed, and with women in

313
00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,840
Speaker 1: particular where a shirt is pulled up and their breasts

314
00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,560
Speaker 1: are exposed. Look, if I don't treat this as a

315
00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,359
Speaker 1: sexual assault, I'm falling down the job as an investigator

316
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,480
Speaker 1: because I'm going to lose fragile evidence. If I have

317
00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,800
Speaker 1: like seminal deposition on a body and I just go

318
00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,520
Speaker 1: ahead and just kind of treat the body carelessly when

319
00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm moving it and all those sorts of things, there's

320
00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,800
Speaker 1: a probability that I can lose evidence. Also, if it's

321
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,760
Speaker 1: a sexual assault, there could be very intimate transfer to

322
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,000
Speaker 1: that's going on here with touch DNA from the perpetrator

323
00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,560
Speaker 1: onto the victim's body. And conversely, in addition to that,

324
00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,680
Speaker 1: you can have hair transfer. And think about this, what

325
00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,000
Speaker 1: kind of surface was she found on? What she found

326
00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,600
Speaker 1: on a carpeted surface. Let's say that she's got carpet

327
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,280
Speaker 1: fibers on the front the anterior aspect of her legs,

328
00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,360
Speaker 1: and then she's found in the bedroom and she's got

329
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,919
Speaker 1: carpet fibers on the posterior surface of the legs. And

330
00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,120
Speaker 1: there's a different carpet in the living room than there

331
00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,800
Speaker 1: is in the Mastard bedroom. So you get an idea

332
00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,320
Speaker 1: maybe she's being assaulted all over the place. Maybe it's

333
00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,200
Speaker 1: an ongoing thing. We're talking about hours that ellapse here day,

334
00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,760
Speaker 1: so you've got a big gap in information here and

335
00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,560
Speaker 1: you're kind of trying to understand what the body is

336
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,639
Speaker 1: going to reveal to you in this period of time.

337
00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,680
Speaker 1: When they did finally track him down, they found this knife.

338
00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,359
Speaker 1: That weapon in particular, will tell a tale. At the

339
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, when you examine that knife in

340
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,080
Speaker 1: the crime lab, you will find all that remains of

341
00:17:54,119 --> 00:18:16,800
Speaker 1: this poor victim. So, come to find out this knife

342
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,520
Speaker 1: which is eventually found on the alleged perpetrator's person in

343
00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,639
Speaker 1: his backpack, nonetheless, and it's going to be covered in

344
00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,040
Speaker 1: blood and I think to a certain degree probably bone.

345
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,760
Speaker 1: Once this thing's taken back to the state crime lab,

346
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,000
Speaker 1: you're in the circumstance. You know that you've just beaten

347
00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,879
Speaker 1: and stabbed in the skull. Nonetheless, these injuries were in

348
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,560
Speaker 1: her temple, the knife wounds. What do you do? Where

349
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,520
Speaker 1: do you go? Where does your mind go at this

350
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,520
Speaker 1: point where you're going to say, Okay, I'm going to leave.

351
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,200
Speaker 1: I've got my backpack and I'm taking it on the road.

352
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,400
Speaker 2: And before he did that, he tried to clean up.

353
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,920
Speaker 2: He actually did try to clean up the bloody scene.

354
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,080
Speaker 2: They actually said that he used a towel and a

355
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 2: green rag to try to clean up the scene and

356
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,120
Speaker 2: then gave up through the right down at her next

357
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,359
Speaker 2: to his mother, and he left with his backpack. And

358
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,440
Speaker 2: this is before they recovered the knife or anything else.

359
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,080
Speaker 2: He took off. Sean Questa took off and went to

360
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 2: his aunt's house in Hialiah. It was there that he

361
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 2: allegedly admitted I killed my mom and was acting really weird.

362
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,440
Speaker 2: He was acting weird enough that the family, even though

363
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,600
Speaker 2: they couldn't confirm what he was saying, they called police.

364
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,880
Speaker 2: They were worried, so they called police. The police show

365
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 2: up and they did what they call a Baker Act.

366
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,400
Speaker 1: What's the Baker Act?

367
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,119
Speaker 2: It is, bottom line, a seventy two hour mental health hold.

368
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,880
Speaker 1: Okay cycled, Yeah.

369
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 2: It's a cycle. And when they say the Baker acted him,

370
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 2: that means that they can hold him from up to

371
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,840
Speaker 2: seventy two hours about any charges. And that's what they did,

372
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,399
Speaker 2: and then they were able to find the knife in

373
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 2: the backpack and go back to the crimesne and figure

374
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 2: everything out.

375
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,120
Speaker 1: I came across something in this case that I don't

376
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 1: know that I have ever heard the police or medical

377
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: examiner state before. Now, I gotta tell you that's saying

378
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 1: something you never hear everything. But when I heard this

379
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,640
Speaker 1: first off, I knew that this victim had not been

380
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: in a car accident. I knew that this was a

381
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,959
Speaker 1: person on person attack. I knew that there were wine

382
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 1: bottles that were being used to strike her multiple times

383
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma. But Dave, according to the reports this victim,

384
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 1: they said not some they said every Now I wasn't there.

385
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: I can't verify it, but they said that every organ

386
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 1: in this woman's body sustained a laceration. Now, we've talked

387
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 1: about lacerations, I think recently on an episode. The difference

388
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: between in sized wounds and lacerations. Here is a perfect example,

389
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 1: because you know, with lacerations, that's something that only arises

390
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: from blunt force trauma. And let's consider very briefly. Let's

391
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: just consider the organs that we're talking about. When you

392
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 1: say organs, now, and you say every organ, all internal organs,

393
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 1: So we're talking, we're probably are they saying the bowel,

394
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 1: the small bowel, and the large bowel, I don't know

395
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,479
Speaker 1: they're saying, and all organs were lacerated. We do know

396
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: that we have a liver is the largest organ in

397
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 1: the body. And if you'll feel just beneath the base

398
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: of your right ribcage, it's right there. You slide on

399
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: over on the other side, and you've got your pancreas

400
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: and your spleen right down there. Spleens sustain And there's

401
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have splenectomies over the year,

402
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: in years, and many times those arise from motivehicle accidents.

403
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: They're very fragile, and they sit on the left aspect

404
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 1: of the abdomen, the upper abdomen. I can understand that.

405
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: But then you have the pancreas that stems off of

406
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 1: the spleen. I'm thinking, was the pancreas also last ray,

407
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: you're saying all organs now, and yeah, I've seen lacerated pancreases,

408
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: but again, most of the time it comes from a

409
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 1: fall from a great height or comes from a motivehicle accent.

410
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: Then we go superior to the diaphragm. We've got both lungs.

411
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: Are we talking about both lungs are lacerated. Then we

412
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: go to the heart. Has the heart been last? You're

413
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: talking about all organs all right, all internal organs, And

414
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: then it brings us to the brain. I think that

415
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: we can probably explain the brain pretty easily, and yet

416
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma will in fact a lacrate of brain.

417
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: It has to be pretty significant. Most of the time,

418
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: you're going to get evidence of what's called coup or

419
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: concert coup injuries, where you'll get these big hemorrhagic areas

420
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: where the brain kind of slashes back and forth. I'm

421
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 1: taking it at face value when they're saying all, I'm

422
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: including the brain in this as well. To have this

423
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: level of trauma on a body where every organ is

424
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: in fact impacted, it would take first off time. Then

425
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 1: you would have to have an instrument that is so

426
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,239
Speaker 1: very resilient. You'd have to be able to put it

427
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: into the hands of someone that could wield it with

428
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: the appropriate amount of force or the needed force in

429
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: order to direct that energy at that specific organ system,

430
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: and you would in the case of utilizing a bottle,

431
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: you're going to have to have more than one.

432
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: Dave Well, you mentioned the other day when we were

433
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: talking about this, and I didn't know the laceration term

434
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: and blunt force trauma. That was all new to me.

435
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: And this actually says I'm reading the report, it says

436
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: the victim died of internal bleeding resulting from all internal

437
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: organs being lacerated from blunt force trauma. Now, if the

438
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: victim had one lump force injury that caused an internal

439
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: organ to be lacerated, wouldn't that pretty much debilitate a

440
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: sixty four year old woman just one?

441
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, any one of those organs would be sufficient to

442
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: bring about death. And here's another thing. We go back

443
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: to what we had said in an earlier segment where

444
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: her body was cold to the touch. I really have

445
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: to think here that when they're doing the examination on her,

446
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: how many of these lacerations took place anti mortem and

447
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: how many took place post mortem. You've got two things

448
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: that are going on here if this was in fact

449
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: a sexual assault. Because when you have a body demonstrated

450
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: with no shirt on, pants pulled down, for any investigator

451
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: worth their salt out there, they're going to that's the

452
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: first thing they're going to think of, that this is

453
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: some kind of sexually motivated assault that has occurred, and

454
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: is that something that took place post mortem? And then

455
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: on top of that, you begin to think about a knife. Now,

456
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: this knife was not driven once, not twice, not three times,

457
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: but four times into her temporal bone, actually the left

458
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: temple bone. So if you take your left hand and

459
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: put it up just posterior to your left eye. That's

460
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: going to be your temporal bone, and it's one of

461
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: the thinner bones of the skull. It's not impossible to

462
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: have a knife driven through there. And as a matter

463
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: of fact, even though it is, and we've talked about

464
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: sharp force injury versus blunt force depended upon the knife

465
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: that was utilized in this case, and it's passing through bone.

466
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: You could make an argument that if he buries the

467
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: scene down to the hilt of the knife or the

468
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: hilt guard, or if it's like a flip knife, like

469
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: a buck style knife, to the body of the knife,

470
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: that the body of the knife or the hilt and

471
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: the hand protector can actually work as a blunt instrument,

472
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: so you can get underlining fracturing there. But either way,

473
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: you would be looking for hemorrhage in that area, and

474
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: if it's absent hemorrhage day, this means that this was

475
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: done post mortem. So they've got so many injuries to

476
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: kind of analyze and assess throughout this saying they're trying

477
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: to determine order and orders. You can't determine actual order

478
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: like ABCD like that. The order I'm talking about is

479
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: post mortem versus anti mortem and our perry mortem, which

480
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: means in the throes of death. It's kind of that

481
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: middle milky ground. So that's the order that you're looking

482
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: at here. And then they're going to have to and

483
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you for a fact that they will

484
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: have done a rape kit on this lady as well.

485
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: We haven't heard anything about that, but we are just

486
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: now hearing all of the details. But Joe to stab

487
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 2: somebody in the temple with a knife four times, what

488
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: are we talking about? In terms of force? You have

489
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: to be closed up. The other ones. You could be

490
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: a little bit far away. I mean, you can strike

491
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: somebody with the bottle at arm's length, but I'm thinking

492
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 2: to actually put a knife into the temple of somebody

493
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: you love.

494
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very personal. And again you're you know, you're

495
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: getting into that area where a person's identity is tied

496
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: up in their appearance and it goes to a tremendous

497
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: amount of anger. I'm fascinated by the fact that the

498
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: father was not present in the house when this had occurred.

499
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: And also in order to shore the head up to

500
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: the point where you could drive a knife through it,

501
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 1: you would literally have to be on top of this

502
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: person in order to do it with let me get

503
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: my orientation right here with the head or the face,

504
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: if you imagine the face turned to the right, so

505
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: that the underside or the right cheek is actually shored

506
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: what they call shoring against the surface, the harder surface

507
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: underlying that, so that you can you can position yourself

508
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: over the body, and you're driving this knife down into

509
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: the temple multiple tips, not just one time, but over

510
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: and over and over and over again until you're done. Now,

511
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: obviously that in and of itself would have been enough

512
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: to have killed somebody. It sounds like there's a lot

513
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: I have to at least propose the thought that there

514
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: was a lot of anger that was being taken out

515
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: on this woman's body, perhaps in a post mortem state.

516
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: But I also think that it's important that we remember

517
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: that to this date, Sean Questa is innocent. He has

518
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: not been taken to trial, but he has been charged

519
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: with second degree homicide. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this

520
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: is bodybags