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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our guests,

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Speaker 3: super Producer Max, the Freight Trade Williams. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. And we are returning

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Speaker 3: friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists for our first Strange

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Speaker 3: News segment of twenty twenty six. If you are hearing

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Speaker 3: this when it publishes, we can't wait to welcome you

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Speaker 3: to January twelfth. Spoiler, we're recording on January seven.

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Speaker 4: Is it too late to say Happy New Year? I

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Speaker 4: think it's too late.

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Speaker 3: A month? Get a month if you haven't talked to

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Speaker 3: someone prior, like if you the last time you spoke

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Speaker 3: to someone in twenty twenty five, if you speak to

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Speaker 3: them from now until January thirty, first you can still

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Speaker 3: say Happy New Year.

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Speaker 4: Fair game? Okay, I can't remember if Larry David had

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Speaker 4: a shorter cutoff than that. There's a bit that he

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Speaker 3: I think it's weird if you see someone earlier in

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Speaker 3: January and you don't say it, and then on like

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Speaker 3: the Wealth of the Tenth, you say, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 3: happy New Year. Ah.

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Speaker 4: The complexities of social niceties, which brings us to some

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Speaker 3: Break eat news books, the complexities or real large geopolitics conspiracy,

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Speaker 3: writ Lard. Look, we took a quick break for the

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Speaker 3: holidays the end of the year, as the Gregorian calendar

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Speaker 3: counts it and lo and behold, a bunch of conspiracies

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Speaker 3: reached fruition. We have so much to talk about. One

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Speaker 3: of the things we agreed that we had to mention was,

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Speaker 3: you know, a lot of stuff happening down south.

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Speaker 4: This is what they call the Christmas surprise.

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Speaker 3: There's the October surprise. For sure. The Gregorian calendar is

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Speaker 3: just malarkey. But guys, as we were hanging out we

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Speaker 3: went down in Venezuela. So what if we kick the

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Speaker 3: by talking a little bit about this after we light

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Speaker 3: up Caracus, we have returned. Now we've all probably seen

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Speaker 3: the stats here in the United States, the claims that

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's completely true.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if you saw this. I can't

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Speaker 4: remember where I saw this. It was the Newsmax, which

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Speaker 4: I've never really experienced much of, but I saw it

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Speaker 4: on a clip of a Newsmax anchor I guess, saying

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Speaker 4: It was John Stewart be because he's like, well, you guys,

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Speaker 3: News, right right, Yeah, Venezuela is going to be sold

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Speaker 3: to the American public often as a supply well a huge,

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Speaker 3: that also happens to have some of the largest believed

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Speaker 4: I think I like what you're implying. Ben.

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Speaker 3: However, Noel, the thing that we'll we'll see here is

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Speaker 3: this has been a long running beef that has reached

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Speaker 3: in Western media. Also, not all types of oil reserves

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the crude, which is it's a whole nother

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Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, it's still oil, just like kind of a

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Speaker 3: crappy incandescent bulb will still provide you know, light, just

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Speaker 4: It's definitely cooler.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely on several levels cooler. Well done, Maybe we

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Speaker 3: Who's aside recent government interventions aside the spoiler is it's

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Speaker 4: And some subsequent fire memes of his incredible transport outfit

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Speaker 3: And a few fewer security members on his purp walk

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Speaker 3: than Luigi Mangio, which is also interesting.

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Speaker 4: But still quite a quite a display.

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Speaker 3: They love a.

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Speaker 4: Purp walk in New York.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes. And also we have to note that

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Speaker 3: we're not saying Maduro was by any means an incorruptible

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Speaker 3: entire time, which come on, man, I hadn't heard them.

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Speaker 2: Well, the US has been doing some interesting stuff in

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Speaker 2: just see how much oil and natural resources played a part,

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Speaker 2: and then how much, let's say, multinational corporations, large oil

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Speaker 2: deep hat, very deep things to drill down into when

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Speaker 3: We're doing oil exploration jokes. Yeah, I love that point, Matt,

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Speaker 3: because we see a similar We see a precedent right

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Speaker 3: in the geopolitical woes of Iran, and right now, if

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Speaker 3: at a precipitous rate. But Iran encountered something similar with

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Speaker 3: energy infrastructure, and resources. And this is why, okay, this

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Speaker 3: You've probably seen the reports, folks that Venezuela will be

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Speaker 3: paying out like two billion dollars worth of sanctioned oil

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Speaker 3: And we see that. We see that oil companies for

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Speaker 3: due to the previous actions of nationalization. So you're private company,

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Speaker 3: then the leadership of that country that you spent all

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Speaker 3: us to sign a bad contract. We're not gonna honor it.

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Speaker 3: This is part of our state run enterprise now.

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Speaker 4: So it was meant to be a collab originally. That

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Speaker 3: The IMFIS entered the chat.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there was going to be some resource sharing, like

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Speaker 4: we help you build the infrastructure, you cut us a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very similar to previous cases. In one case that

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Speaker 3: We give you loans that almost function is free money

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Speaker 3: That almost well, often it translates to corruption and what

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Speaker 4: One could argue that this beef has legitimate roots.

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Speaker 3: You could also argue, there are no good guys in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in any of these conversations, right.

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Speaker 2: Isn't a strange thing. You nationalize the thing, the resources

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Speaker 2: country and how it operates, and then Uncle Sam says, hey,

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Speaker 2: uh the hell, it's too far.

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Speaker 3: Well then you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there have been a lot of comparisons to

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Speaker 2: Manuel Noriega in Panama in nineteen eighty nine and the

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Speaker 2: you know, the US just invaded and took that guy

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Speaker 2: Very similar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, like, especially given that we were talking

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Speaker 3: like the ICC, the International Criminal Court, who has jurisdiction?

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Speaker 4: Devil's advocate. His line there is that he was railroaded

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Speaker 4: justification for even making that argument might be.

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, you, I mean, it's tribalism, right, you create

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Speaker 3: have to look up the specific villain's name. But the

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Speaker 3: way they control the population in nineteen eighty four, part

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Speaker 3: up for two minutes they show a picture of this guy,

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Speaker 3: an ugly picture, and you just beat me here at

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Speaker 3: Max and Dillan, you just hate on them, Yeah, for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.

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Speaker 4: But is there any question that this hun Duran president

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Speaker 4: was in fact irresponsible for all of these tons and

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Speaker 3: I think the word responsibility would be doing some heavy

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Speaker 3: lifting there. Corruption for sure. But is he a Noriega?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Okay, Okay, So the part in you

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Speaker 4: know isn't maybe without its precedent, but it does seem

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and it is a Manuel Goldstein by the way,

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Speaker 4: Back with something completely different, completely unrelated and hopefully a

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Speaker 4: As mentioned in the last segment, this one's more where's

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, the fast food chain is claiming that they

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Speaker 4: didn't go the way that the people proposing the lawsuit

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Speaker 4: wanted it to either. I think it was overruled that

438
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Speaker 4: this is not a reasonable expectation.

439
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Speaker 3: That was in Ohio, and I believe was Ohio, and

440
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 3: the judge said, well it's not. Yeah, the judge didn't

441
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 3: let a fly in court. And this might be a say,

442
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: a similar thing. But the good news about this is

443
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: that if it's a class action and you can prove

444
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: your order to make rib through some window of time,

445
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: that you can get on that after the lawyer's fees,

446
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: regardless of what the settlement is, you might get a

447
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: check for something north of three dollars but less than

448
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Speaker 3: ten tions bias a.

449
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Speaker 2: D didn't be ca yeah, where you could play at

450
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Speaker 2: least one game game.

451
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Speaker 3: I don't know what.

452
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Speaker 2: I'm speaking just on this kind of naming. Is your

453
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: product name gonna fly? And is this some trademark gonna

454
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: do what it says it does on the tin? Did

455
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: you guys see the whole thing about the Robotaxi slash

456
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: cyber cab debacle that Tesla's dealing with right now.

457
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: They've been dealing with so many it's hard to keep track.

458
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: What's the what's the latest?

459
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's two things. There's a rival company that

460
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: Tesla is dealing with right now that's UH is an

461
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: unexpected company. We might have to look that up just

462
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: to talk about it completely. That's a that's one thing

463
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: where they are going in and basically taking ip from

464
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: underneath Tesla because Tesla has been really slow at putting

465
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: in like a trademark request. And then this other issue

466
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: with Robotaxi that there was a judge basically saying you

467
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: can't call your robot taxi program robo taxi. That's like

468
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: calling a car a car. You can't trademark that. You

469
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: have to come up with some other name. So cyber

470
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: Cab was the name that they want to use. But

471
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: there's this other company that I can't remember that's going

472
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: in and usurping their I p.

473
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, because they're not being UH because UH, legislation

474
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: always lags behind technological innovation. I love this, okay, so

475
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: let's do it live let's see Tesla's cybercab competitor. Uh,

476
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: cybercab versus waybo is one of the first things that

477
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: pops up, is.

478
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Speaker 4: It Unibev that's coming up, which is weird, Like what

479
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 4: they it's they have they have they're just patent trolling

480
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: their patent or trademark trolling. In this case, they are

481
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: totally legal.

482
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: Well, yes, it's this thing Tesla Kila that was gonna

483
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Speaker 2: be a Tesla Uh, a Tesla tequila, I guess, or

484
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Speaker 2: something that Unibev was really upset about because I guess

485
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: they already had a product or something that was kind

486
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: of like that. Yeah, so basically there, so there's being petty.

487
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: They're just ground beefing over it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. You can also you can also make

489
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: some serious uh profit when you do that stuff correctly.

490
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Speaker 4: Sell it back.

491
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: It's like like web It's exactly. Yeah. So this is uh,

492
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: this is an exciting thing. I was I was on

493
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: the road for some stuff this morning, and I was

494
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: surprised by how many Tesla's I saw, Like the old

495
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: car stuff thing makes me think it's crazy how quickly

496
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: Tesla got adopted by the at least the American populace

497
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: in urban environments, and I think part of that is

498
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: because of the larger than life sort of iconic status

499
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: of Alon Musk, whether you love them or hate them,

500
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 3: and the fact that purchasing to Tesla became in some

501
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: ways a political statement. So this is actually this legal kerfuffle.

502
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: I know, we got to get back to Pentagon and pizza,

503
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: but this legal kerfuffle is a net good for Tesla

504
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 3: right now.

505
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Speaker 4: And if you want to check out some ridiculous episodes,

506
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: we did a series on copyright and trademarks that you

507
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: can intellectual property, intellectual property, dig a little deeper into

508
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: that stuff. But apparently I'm trolling, scrolling rather through a

509
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: Reddit thread, and they make some really good points. The

510
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: trademark squat is what they're referring to. This ass will

511
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: get overturned in court because Tesla can easily show usage

512
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: before registration and will likely win this in court with

513
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: very little effort, which seems to ring true to.

514
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Speaker 3: Me, and win some headlines everybody involved, you know what

515
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Speaker 3: I mean.

516
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Speaker 4: In which in this case, unlike the usual headlines Tesla's making,

517
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: this is when we're Tesla's kind of being bullied instead

518
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: of being the bully. So it's kind of a good

519
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: pr look in a way.

520
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: Maybe we all hate bullies, you know what I mean.

521
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: I hope people hate bullies. This is I want to

522
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: get back to the food stuff though we set up

523
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: because this not our old show about eating stacks, but

524
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: this idea that we discussed in previous episodes or in

525
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: our previous Weekly Strange News segment, the concept that if

526
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: you are clever enough, you can slightly predict US military

527
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: and state level action by seeing how much pizza people

528
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: order in a very specific part of the United States.

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Speaker 4: And we talked about that not long ago, and I

530
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: don't remember exactly what it was, connected to what event,

531
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: but they're at it again, you know, crack Internet. You know,

532
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: users are tracking spikes and activity at nearby pizza restaurants

533
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Speaker 4: in Washington, d C. And using them much like the

534
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: waffle House index, predicting bad weather informal indicators of late

535
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: night work taking place at the US defense buildings there.

536
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: So as the United States took you know, action there

537
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: in Venezuela with a large scale military strike in Caracas,

538
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Speaker 4: a pizza outlet near the Pentagon saw some of those

539
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: very spikes, surges and orders on Saturday, January the third

540
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: guys remind me when we talked about this, like there

541
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 4: is some truth to this, but it's also a little anecdotal. Yeah,

542
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: Greek food right now, It's.

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00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: It's true in that if you are looking for a

544
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: pattern with pizza ordering and US action, then you can

545
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: easily find what appears to be a pattern, but one okay,

546
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: not to get old conspiratorial, but to definitely get conspiratorial.

547
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Speaker 3: One of the interesting things about this is if you've

548
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: been to DC, you know that they're the DC area,

549
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: you know that there are tons of places that will

550
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: give you a bunch of food. They can't wait to

551
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: do catering. That's great for a restaurant. But then also,

552
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: and I know a lot of us listening have in

553
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: fact been to the Pentagon. The Pentagon has tons of

554
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: food available, one of the world's largest office buildings. They

555
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: have literal mountains of food. Man our favorite subway closed, yes,

556
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: but there's still like you are at an embarrassment of

557
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: riches for ordering food. So then the question becomes, if

558
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: we know that the public can see this, anybody on

559
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: the wide world of the Internet, then why would we

560
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: continue having that security vulnerability? If vulnerability it is, I mean,

561
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: how much of it is calculated propaganda?

562
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: I remember asking the same question last time, But how

563
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: are people tracking this? They're just looking at like you know,

564
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: those Google results of like busy times, or like real

565
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: time analysis of like foot traffic at particular types of eateries,

566
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: or because I mean, it's not exactly public information, like

567
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: you know, the order is coming in to in real time,

568
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: in real time, right, yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can also call some of the pizza places.

570
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: One of the most famous ones. I'm trying to remember

571
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: the name of it. I think it's something, Oh god,

572
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: what is it?

573
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: The big win question for this round of discussion is

574
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Speaker 4: Pizzato Pizza.

575
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: That's the one. That's what I'm thinking about. Yeah, Because

576
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: you know Stone's throw from the Pentagon right right, and

577
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 3: you'll see you'll see the claims like the I think

578
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: the orders just a day ago. So we're recorded on

579
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: the seventh, So on the sixth they jumped and fifty percent.

580
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: But then the percentage gets tricky because we have to

581
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: ask the baseline, how often is our people in the

582
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 3: Pentagon ordering pizza from this place on a normal day.

583
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Speaker 4: It's a good question, and again, can you can you

584
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 4: answer that for me, though, Man, Now, how are they

585
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 4: gauging these spikes the average internet saluth?

586
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So the what of the ways that I

587
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: heard and I haven't participated in aggregating this data. One

588
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: of the ways that I've heard is literally calling the

589
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: place or maybe having an inside man relationship where somebody

590
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: you know, uh, what's what's the name of that place again,

591
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: No Pizzato Pizza, Okay, So mister Pizzato calls up and

592
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: says he there's a lot of pepperoni, and I think

593
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: you know where it's going. And then what you know,

594
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: he's like their deep throat in Watergate or something. Oh,

595
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: we can't say pizza gate. They ruined it.

596
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: I really ruined it, Geez Louis Okay. So that's a

597
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: very analog way, one that dates back, I think to

598
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: even the earliest versions of this theory the the Cold War,

599
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 4: when I believe Soviet intelligence services would monitor movements of

600
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 4: pizza delivery drivers in Washington as a way of seeing

601
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 4: how on the ball US might be.

602
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: And then Matt, get out of my head. There's a

603
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: website that you that you've boasted in the chat that

604
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: is actually it's a lot of fun do you want

605
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: to tell us about that one?

606
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: Sure, it's p I z z I N T dot

607
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: W A T c h so pasant dot watch.

608
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 4: And it's a real time aggregator of this type of

609
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: data based on a number of factors. I imagine.

610
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very fun. Wait, hold on, what is happening here?

611
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: There's also a gay bar report on another tab.

612
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: Oh, that goes back to you know, Gavin Newsome made

613
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 3: a recent joke about that. That goes back to the

614
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: the idea of tracing actions by certain members of the

615
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: political class by attending what are called gay bars or

616
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: grinder usage.

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00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 4: Grinder usage, And that's the whole thing, is this notion

618
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: that like a lot of these grinder usage spikes around

619
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: right leaning events because there's a lot of closeted, you know,

620
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: behavior in that set.

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Speaker 2: It's a weird allegedly allegedly, guys, Papa John's right now

622
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: is at a three spike. That's what it says.

623
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Speaker 3: From what what is one?

624
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, much busier than usual because it'd be like.

625
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 4: Okay, all the late nights they would after it just

626
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 4: like this, there's going to be a lot of pizza

627
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: being or you know, after a strike like this. So

628
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 4: at a certain point it doesn't. It's no longer a predictor.

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's also so here's the thing. I keep going

630
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: back to this idea, Jens, the idea that the so

631
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: called pizza meter, which you're fans of and I follow

632
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: quite closely. The idea is that it lacks real scientific foundation.

633
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: It is still reading a little bit of tea leaves

634
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: or basil leaves, since that's what you would put on

635
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: a pizza. But it's fun to think about. I have

636
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: not I was digging into some of this. I have

637
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: not heard anybody on the inside, you know what I

638
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: mean by the inside. I haven't heard anybody on the

639
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: inside say, yes, we love the Pizza Index. It's one

640
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: hundred percent correct. I have heard people say, we're aware

641
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: that members of the public believe there is a connection. Careful, careful, califrol.

642
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: Is it a boneless wing or is it a boneless wing?

643
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just a boneless wing of the mind.

644
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: A rose is a rose, is a ruse.

645
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: I just want to cap this off because this kind

646
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: of triggered another related story in my head. Did you

647
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: guys see the story about the individual that made a

648
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 4: whole lot of money betting on Maduro's capture Polymarket poly

649
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: Market implying some inside information, and then the concept of

650
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 4: I believe, you know, some of Trump's sons sitting on

651
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: the board of these kind of betting markets, and the

652
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: notion that there's going to be leaked information that could

653
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Speaker 4: lead to this kind of stuff, especially when you're allowing

654
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 4: betting on literally any type of world event. I did

655
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 4: just see an update saying gambling platform Polymarket not paying

656
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: bets on us invasion of Venezuela. Gamblers who placed wagers

657
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: totally ten point five million angered after the capture Nicholas

658
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 4: Maduro deemed not to qualify. So I'm wondering if that's

659
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 4: a response to this criticism.

660
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: It is it is because they Polymarket came forward in

661
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: the immediate reporting as a response and they said, hey,

662
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: we have a policy on our website that says no

663
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: insider trading. They said, yeah, but how would somebody know?

664
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: Was this a lucky guess? It's not like it's not

665
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: like guessing on a Rolet wheel or something where you

666
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: have a fine number of factors and the money wasn't

667
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: even if it was a lot for the average person,

668
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: like north of four hundred thousand something USD But that's

669
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 3: not oil executive money, right. If you're running insert oil

670
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: company here, you're not really sweating your career over less

671
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: than half a million dollars. But maybe I don't know.

672
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm spinning out on that one, Noel, and I appreciate

673
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: you bringing it up. My thinking is that, yeah, Polymarket

674
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: is trying to preserve their future longevity, so they also

675
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: don't want to have to pay the money. Is a

676
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: great way to not have to pay the money.

677
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Speaker 4: So there are two competing narratives here, or two different

678
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: flavors of bet. I do believe that the story that

679
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 4: initially made headlines about this one Polymarket user making thirty

680
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 4: two grand betting on the ousting of Venezuelan leader Nicholas

681
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 4: Maduro before the end of the month, and there being

682
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: a lot of speculation that there was insider information that

683
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 4: led to that the idea that Polymarket won't pay these

684
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 4: bets on US invasion of Venezuela, I believe is different.

685
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Speaker 4: They came out saying that US military operations intended to

686
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: establish control are what would win these bets. President Trump's

687
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 4: statement that they will run Venezuela while referencing on talks

688
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 4: with the Venezuelan government does not alone qualify the snatch

689
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: and extract mission to capture Maduro was an invasion. So

690
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 4: with that, let's move on from food related conspiracies for

691
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Speaker 4: the time being and take a quick break care worthrom

692
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Speaker 4: O sponsor, and then come back with the last segment

693
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Speaker 4: of today's Strange News episode.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, guys, we are gonna jump back quickly

695
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: to Venezuela just to talk about a little more shipping stuff,

696
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: because there is a saga of the high Seas that

697
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: it appears to be concluding today on Wednesday, January seventh,

698
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: as we record this, it has been ongoing for a while.

699
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Speaker 4: To the piracy bit you reference, maybe, yes.

700
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: Well, yes, it's Shadow Fleet piracy stuff and also you

701
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: know US military and UK military intervention. So we're gonna

702
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: start with some writing that the Guardian put out this

703
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: morning on January seventh. Yeah, here's the title, Russia reportedly

704
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: sends submarine to escort Shadow Fleet tanker being pursued by US.

705
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, the report that this report is referencing comes

706
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: directly from the Wall Street Journal. They're the ones who

707
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: started talking about this submarine. But as we're going to

708
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: find in a moment. The submarine isn't the biggest part

709
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: of this story. But let's just keep in this one

710
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: for a moment, because this is what we're reading, right

711
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 2: If you're reading the news as it's happening on Wednesday,

712
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: January seventh, it says Russia's dispatched naval assets to a

713
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: score a shadow fleet oil tanker being pursued by the

714
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: US across the Atlantic. The ship, formerly known as the

715
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: Bela one, has spent more than two weeks attempting to

716
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: evade a US blockade of US sanctions hit oil tankers

717
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 2: operating near Venezuela. The ship was once known it changed

718
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: its name at one point to the Marinera. When its

719
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: crew was dealing with some stuff, they were they were

720
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: going to be boarded by a US ship. They somehow

721
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: evaded that boarding. They painted a huge Russian flag on

722
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: the whole of the ship. It was added to an

723
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: official Russian registry so it would not be boarded. It's

724
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: no longer yes, it's no longer a shadow fleet vessel.

725
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: Now it's an official Russian vessel. So you can't do

726
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: anything to this vessel under you know, the weird wonky

727
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: rules of the high seas.

728
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: The Coastguards run it up, and the captain gets on

729
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: the horn and has a weird relationship conversation with Russia, like,

730
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: come on, guys, what are we.

731
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, it's frenemies.

732
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Speaker 2: It's this weird thing with the ship that appears to

733
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: have been on its way to Venezuela to pick up

734
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: some oil for Russia. Again, like that appears to be

735
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: what was happening. It started in Iran, it did this

736
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: whole weird trip around. No, it went to Iceland for

737
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: a minute, yes, or it was headed towards Iceland, I guess.

738
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Speaker 2: And then more stuff happened this morning.

739
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Speaker 3: Yes, more stuff happened this morning. We've got some We've

740
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: got some live updates. I would recommend a great a

741
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: great source for this. Not for everybody, but if you

742
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: should sip the social meds, check out OSNT defender over

743
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: on x dot com formerly Twitter. There. They're at least

744
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: I think they're part of where Wall Street Journal may

745
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: get some sourcing. But they were some of the first

746
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: folks we saw who reported that US Special Forces, along

747
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 3: with the Coast Guard did successfully board the quote Russian

748
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: flagged Iranian linked oil tanker MARINERA in the North Atlantic,

749
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: and if you look at the map, it's not getting

750
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: it's not getting pot or boarded anywhere close to the

751
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: United States, nor particularly close to Iran, nor particularly that

752
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: close to Russia.

753
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Speaker 2: No, it's very strange, and even in the reporting they're

754
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 2: having to call it Bela I slash Marinera, yes, and

755
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: it gets so confusing just trying to figure out what

756
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: the hell happened and is this the actual tanker that

757
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 2: we're talking about.

758
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: That's part of the art. Yeah, And we look at

759
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: this and we see that if we look at some

760
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: of the larger context here, we know that the US

761
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: has seized at least four as of this morning, at

762
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: least four different oil tankers linked to Venezuela. Two tankers

763
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: seized January seventh, and two others previously. It's it's a

764
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: heck of a time to be at the wheel of

765
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 3: a shadow fleet vessel, oh man, or the even shadow

766
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: fleet vessels. Sorry, that's the thing, because now you can

767
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: just throw that name on something and say that's why

768
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: we got them.

769
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, we had to pick them up. They were

770
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: shadow fleet. Are you sure, guys that it seemed like

771
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: a pretty small fishing vessel. No shadow Fleet.

772
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: It's like earlier. Also, the rules of maritime engagement are

773
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: again so murky and so purposely riddled with loopholes. I

774
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 3: keep remembering in our shadow Fleet episode we talked about

775
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: how cool it would be to just switch your passport

776
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 3: if you got in trouble abroad. I just say, oh,

777
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: this is not my oh gosh, my Giata passport. Hey guy, guys,

778
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: let me get the other one. All right, here's the

779
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: Russia win. Are we tight? Okay?

780
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: Oh? Man? Wait was that an actual passport? What was that?

781
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: That looked awesome? The small pamphlet of some that was cool?

782
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: Thanks man, Well, guys, oil tankers aside, we're gonna talk

783
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: about something that happened on US soil, something that is.

784
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: It gets wrapped up in politics, but ultimately, as we're

785
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: going to talk about here in a moment, it goes

786
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: back to childhoods for me at least. On Monday, January fifth,

787
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: the Corporation for Public Broadcasting officially voted to dissolve it.

788
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: Yikes, I'm doing hunger games, you.

789
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: Know, right there with you? What was that thing? Ravens?

790
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: No?

791
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: What were they? Hawk's No? Mockingbirds, mocking birds mocking Jay's boom.

792
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: There we go. We got it.

793
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

794
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: I shout out to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. We've

795
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: talked on this show way back in the day about

796
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: official national programming for any country and how it can

797
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: get a little wonky at times, it can get a

798
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 2: little propagandistic at all times. It can. But I don't

799
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: know how much my vision is clouded when it comes

800
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: to things like NPR and PBS because of my childhood.

801
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: And I wonder if maybe I and a lot of

802
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: other people who grew up in the United States have

803
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: that same feeling because I think about specifically PBS kids programming. Sure,

804
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: especially now as a father who's you know, raised a

805
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: kid who's ten years old and spent I don't even

806
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: know how many hours sitting in front of a TV

807
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: or a screen of some sort with my son watching

808
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: Sesame Street or Daniel Tiger or Wildcrats or super Wires.

809
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: Or you know, awesome approachable science shows.

810
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: My god, Nature Cat. Somebody somewhere at the Corporation for

811
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: Public Broadcasting greenlit this show called Nature Cat that had

812
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: Tarren Killham, Kate McKinnon, Bobby moynihan, Kate mccoochie, Chris Parnell,

813
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: Keenan Thompson, and Fred Armisen who and they knew all

814
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: of those voices would specifically hit home to a parent

815
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: because they watched SNL, you know, in in the two

816
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 2: thousands and then But then it's also great programming about

817
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: science and nature. I don't know, am I being tricked

818
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: somehow or is it just good kid programming?

819
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: You're not being tricked, And this is a universal experience,

820
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: I would say for a lot of people growing up

821
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: in the United States in particular, Nostalgia is a hell

822
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 3: of a drug for sure, but also due to the

823
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: strictures on content, let's put it that way, placed on

824
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: public media resources, there are requirements to aspire toward honesty

825
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 3: in reporting, so to aspire away from propaganda. But again,

826
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: on the other side, I think this is part of

827
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: the question you're asking that there is an issue of

828
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: what is considered truth in one place versus what is

829
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 3: considered truth in another place. Most of the time this

830
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: is just stuff like look how amazing the snow leopard is,

831
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 3: or let's learn to count to twenty with a vampire.

832
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: And I love all of those, you.

833
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: Know, well, I think at the heart of it there.

834
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: It feels like there is a noble cause for creating

835
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: the Corporation for Public Broadcasting back in nineteen sixty seven

836
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: with the Public Broadcasting Act of nineteen sixty seven. If

837
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: you go to USA Today talking about it today on

838
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: January seventh, they discuss how, quote the purpose of the

839
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: Corporation for Public Broadcasting was to provide funding and support

840
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: for public media across the United States to a quote,

841
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: enable greater and equitable access to information and education, which

842
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: again feels like a crazy noble thing to me. Let

843
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: everybody have the best information out there, and don't relegate

844
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: that to people who can afford to have a cable

845
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: box in their house or a television in their house,

846
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 2: or you know, or perhaps you would need a television

847
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: of some sort to get PBS, but you at the

848
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: time at least you just need an antenna.

849
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. The idea being that in a purported meritocracy like

850
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 3: the United States, access an opportunity for education should not

851
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: be socioeconomically restricted.

852
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: Right, agreed, feels like a good thing. You also got

853
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: that with radio, right, All you had to do was

854
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: turn your radio to a certain dial and you would

855
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: get the news that was theoretically impartial.

856
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 4: Theoretically well, you know what, I was just theoretical the

857
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 4: impartiality and independence of the FCC. Hey, there you go,

858
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 4: and has been really called into question. I'm not mistaken.

859
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 4: In a hearing with the FCC chairman, he was sort

860
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 4: of cornered into admitting that the FCC was no longer

861
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 4: considered an independent organization, and they actually removed that language

862
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 4: from their official website. And if I'm not mistaken, the

863
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: FCC is in the process of doing investigation into PBS

864
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 4: for biased coverage, whatever it might be. There's a grid,

865
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: there's a public interest doctrine of some sort involved in

866
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 4: holding a license from the FCC, and it does seem

867
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: that specifically around the president's language targeting people that maybe

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Speaker 4: are against him or oppose him in their coverage, that

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Speaker 4: that qualifies as not in the public interests. And there

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Speaker 4: are some pretty serious investigations going into just about every

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Speaker 4: network except for Fox News and.

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Speaker 3: Uh oh is it o an No, that's a different one.

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Speaker 4: Well NEWSMAXIM and I don't know. Fox News is the

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Speaker 4: only terrest for the broadcasting right, so I believe that

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Speaker 4: is of the big ones, that's the one that's not

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Speaker 4: on the list.

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Speaker 3: We're we're referring to, specifically, folks, something called Executive Order

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Speaker 3: fourteen to ninety, which is an older thing from last year,

879
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Speaker 3: but the full title of it. Speaking to Nole's point,

880
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Speaker 3: there is ending taxpayer subsidization of biased media. You know

881
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Speaker 3: what I mean, Who's going to teach my kids to

882
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Speaker 3: count to twenty? It's not going to be this liberal

883
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Speaker 3: cartoon vampire.

884
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Speaker 4: Not these communist puppets.

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Speaker 3: Right, how dare you have these mister Rogers reruns about

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Speaker 3: the importance of sharing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and being kind and empathy.

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Speaker 2: Well, there is some good news if you are a

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Speaker 2: big fan of let's say, Sesame Street, as I and

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Speaker 2: my son currently certainly were. Sesame Street appears to have

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Speaker 2: gotten some kind of deal with Netflix to continue producing episodes,

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Speaker 2: so it will move somewhere else, and several other shows

893
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Speaker 2: will probably do the same thing. There's still questions up

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Speaker 2: in the air if whether or not Frontline will continue,

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Speaker 2: one of the last bastions of investigative journalism will.

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Speaker 4: GBS isn't completely toast, right.

897
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Speaker 2: Yeah, BBS and NPR are not fully shutting down, but

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Speaker 2: it is kind of one of those things that if

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Speaker 2: they're not getting most of their funding the way they

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Speaker 2: used to. They're gonna have to switch gears. So something

901
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Speaker 2: is going to have to change, right.

902
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Speaker 3: State level funding is not gonna float these boats.

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Speaker 4: Pledgere just subsidies at best, you know, yeah, I mean yeah.

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Speaker 3: Let's everybody feel bad, by the way about switching the

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Speaker 3: channel during those pledge drives.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad.

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Speaker 4: I feel so bad. Got again again.

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Speaker 3: To dous.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Let's go out to the USA today

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Speaker 2: really quickly, and we'll just read a quote from here.

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Speaker 2: NPR and PBS as a whole will not quote shut

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Speaker 2: down at least for now, but many associated properties, especially

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Speaker 2: those in more rural or lower income areas, may suffer.

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Speaker 2: CPP the Center for Public Broadcasting was a significant portion

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Speaker 2: of NPR and and pbs is funding, but not all

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Speaker 2: of it, meaning the organizations will have to find another

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Speaker 2: means of filling in the multimillion dollar gaps. That's that's

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Speaker 2: the whole thing. We're going to continue to talk about that,

919
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Speaker 2: as you know, if anything changes. Hopefully something changes and

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Speaker 2: a lot of these programs go elsewhere. So the last

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Speaker 2: thing we're going to talk about today freemasons. We haven't

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Speaker 2: talked about them in a while. Guys. Uh, there's a

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Speaker 2: whole thing going on with U with the UK. Britain's

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Speaker 2: the Metropolitan Police, so we'll call them and this push

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Speaker 2: to make all of the Office of the Metropolitan Police

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Speaker 2: declare whether or not they are members of some freemason sect, right,

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Speaker 2: So like, are you a freemason or are you not?

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Speaker 2: And if you are, you must declare. So what do

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Speaker 2: we think about that?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Do it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm only saying that because not not being

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Speaker 3: a barrister nor a solicitor. I'm saying that because these

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Speaker 3: folks are. I was thinking about this too, Matt. These

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Speaker 3: folks are similar to members of the military. By the

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Speaker 3: nature of your role in society, you are sacrificing some

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Speaker 3: personal freedoms and one of those, arguably could be the

938
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Speaker 3: ordinary civilian right to privacy. You know, like let's say

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Speaker 3: you're you're hiring and this is unpopular across the board.

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Speaker 3: I get it. And part of why it's unpopular is

941
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Speaker 3: because it feels like the right thing to do. If

942
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Speaker 3: you say, for instance, if all things are equal, and

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Speaker 3: if the met is really just enforcing the laws of

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Speaker 3: the UK, enforcing the laws of the Kingdom, and being

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Speaker 3: as fair as possible to all civilians, all residents of

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Speaker 3: the UK. Then you need to know if someone is

947
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Speaker 3: into some conspiratorial stuff. We're friends with Masons. They're not

948
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Speaker 3: bad people. But if you apply a law, you have

949
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Speaker 3: to apply a law. So what if somebody is in

950
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Speaker 3: the met and they've got a good career, but you

951
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Speaker 3: find out that they're secretly, secretly a big puba in

952
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Speaker 3: some organization called like destroy the UK and down with

953
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Speaker 3: the Mets, Right, so you have to I think I

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Speaker 3: would argue, and I think a lot of us will

955
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Speaker 3: agree with me. I would argue that this isn't uncool

956
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Speaker 3: but necessary evil.

957
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Speaker 2: Well, it's about allegiances and oaths, right, right, Just so,

958
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: when you become a member of the Metropolitan Police, you

959
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: take certain oaths to uphold certain things. And again that

960
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Speaker 2: is about a similar to hearing the United States with

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Speaker 2: police officers. Depending on which group you sign up with,

962
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Speaker 2: you are taking a pretty serious oath to protect people

963
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Speaker 2: and the public. And depending on where that public is

964
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Speaker 2: and who that public.

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Speaker 3: Is, when do you joined whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you join the Freemasons, you are also taking

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Speaker 2: a similar oath. But in this case you were talking

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Speaker 2: about protecting and supporting other members of the Freemaker brotherhood.

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00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: So what if there is a conflict of interest between

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00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: protecting members of you know, some constituency or the public

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Speaker 2: versus protecting your fellow officer who was also a freemason.

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Speaker 2: And you know, how deep could that corruption go? And

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00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: currently there are allegations that there is corruption at low

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00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: and high levels because of because of the connections between

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00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: officers and their freemason bruthers.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine if we had this level of transparency

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00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 4: in the US government with elected officials.

978
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Speaker 3: You're pulled over and you ask, is there no help

979
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: for the widow's son?

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Speaker 2: We know we all know what to do, right, We

981
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: talked about that before. We all know we walked Keith.

982
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: There are key we do. There are keywords and key

983
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: phrases and things you can do with your arms and

984
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: hands out in public that can send signals that don't

985
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: do it unless you know what you're doing and you

986
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: have the right affiliation it.

987
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: Don't don't try to do stolen valor it will not

988
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: go well in a the stic milieu.

989
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: Yes, but hey, you can look all that stuff up

990
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: now now that there are books like Freemasons for Dummies

991
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: that we've read. There's all kinds of fun stuff out

992
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: there anyway. That's all I've got, Guys.

993
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 4: Are you're bearing the lead on MAT? The organization in

994
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 4: charge of Freemasonry in England has the best acronym of

995
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 4: any organization. It's oogle ooh. What is the United Grand

996
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 4: Lodge of England, the governing body of the Freemasons in England,

997
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 4: And they're the ones who issued this complaint or threat

998
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: of lawsuit against the MET.

999
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: And I think the most important thing here is something

1000
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: that you you hit on just a few minutes to

1001
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: go MAT, which is if you have, if it is

1002
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 3: your vocation and your job right to enforce the law,

1003
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 3: and you are a member of any other group, clique,

1004
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 3: institution that may at times require you to violate enforcement

1005
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: of the law, then are you qualified for the job.

1006
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: That's the bagger, that's the bagger vants. That's the bag

1007
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 3: of badgers, I should say, and.

1008
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 4: The bag of vants and the bagger badgers.

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00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: What's coming up? God, Yeah, it's a.

1010
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 4: It's definitely Will Smith all the way down. It's definitely

1011
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 4: a pickle.

1012
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 3: I believe.

1013
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 4: They're saying that this kind of scrutiny would undermine the

1014
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 4: public credibility of Freemasons, almost couching them as some sort

1015
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: of terrorist organization or like on some sort of watch list,

1016
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 4: not to be trusted. The term aura of mistrust is

1017
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: being thrown around and this idea of competing oathes.

1018
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: But is that because we have a mistrust of Freemasonry

1019
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: in general because of the way we grew up thinking

1020
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: about these things, Like I'm saying personal the.

1021
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: Way from the United States was founded, I said it.

1022
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, or the French Revolution, well, yeah, you know.

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: We also again are huge fans of Masonry. We have

1024
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: a lot of friends and family who are members of

1025
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: this or affiliated organizations, and we would love to hear

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01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: from you, folks, especially if you are if you are

1027
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: acquainted with the Masonic organization, what do you think about

1028
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: the philosophical quandary here? And if you chose a side,

1029
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: what side would you choose? Or do you like us

1030
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: see all facets of this and also don't forget to

1031
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,600
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1032
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 3: tuning in. That's our show for today. We cannot wait

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