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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. You

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Speaker 1: own better call saw the last o, g Confess Fletch

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Speaker 1: only murders in the building and space for us. There

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Speaker 1: been a lot of things, I mean, all though different

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Speaker 1: experiences do you take. I mean, when you go on

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Speaker 1: a set, I mean you try to make friends or

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Speaker 1: what's that? What is Roy Woods Junior when he goes

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Speaker 1: on a set? What's his mind?

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Speaker 2: See?

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Speaker 3: I'm usually chill, Okay, I keep my distance.

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Speaker 4: Really, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You don't get nobody, you don't just close to nothing.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know. Steve Martin like that. Like

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here, right, but I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: I've seen cats get fired for being too chummy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Man? What's going on? Man?

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Speaker 3: You're looking good and they like, yeah, cut and then

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Speaker 3: you come back from lunch, nigga gone, So be that.

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Speaker 3: Steve Martin was real cool man Martin short, I tell

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Speaker 3: you man. Space Force was probably some of the most fun.

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Speaker 3: There's not a there's not enough said about the Daily

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Speaker 3: Show and the fraternity and sorority whatever that it is.

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Speaker 3: After you leave it right. But those folks look out.

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Speaker 3: They really do. Sam b John Stewart and Steve Carrell

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Speaker 3: and Space Force, like they make sure that you're comfortable

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Speaker 3: on set. I just did a joint. It's not out

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Speaker 3: till top of next year. I just did a joint

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Speaker 3: with Jonah Hill and Keanu Reeves. Yes, Keanu Reeves, man,

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Speaker 3: that's a funny ass. It's a comedy, but it's it's on.

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Speaker 3: It's called Outcome. It'd be out so.

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Speaker 1: John with Keanu Reeves funny, hilarious, hilarious, Neil Matrix.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget he was Bill and Ted excellent adventure. He

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Speaker 3: got the muscle like if he want to be he's

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Speaker 3: not like dude bro fundy like he's legit, like quick

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Speaker 3: like I was like, we was jawing in the scene

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Speaker 3: straight airprov Yes, hilarious, sir, damn hilarious man. And so

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Speaker 3: you get around people that respect the craft and respect

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Speaker 3: the fact that you're present, and they give you the

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Speaker 3: freedom to kind of I don't know how to put it,

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Speaker 3: like be yourself without penalty because Keanu ain't afraid of

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Speaker 3: you stealing his shine or something like that. That know,

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Speaker 3: but that's a big issue. On a lot of comedy

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Speaker 3: sets is that you'll have one star that is like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: don't do that. Then the writer will come that. The

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Speaker 3: star will never tell you. The writer will come up,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, don't do that joke, Like just we're gonna

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Speaker 3: get that joke to him instead of you. But uh

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Speaker 3: w wha, what you're doing great and action? Yeah, damn

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Speaker 3: that happens. You don your star, I guess. I mean

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Speaker 3: it's your job to come in and just do whatever's aster,

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Speaker 3: especially in film. But there's a lot of cats that

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Speaker 3: are that are not like that, and it's important that

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Speaker 3: people know that about him. Kevin Hart is definitely he

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Speaker 3: definitely passes the ball in the scene to make sure

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Speaker 3: you shine. John Hamm passed the ball. I gotta I

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Speaker 3: got your shout out to the homie Andre Holland as well.

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Speaker 3: We did Love Brooklyn and that's like a romantic black

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Speaker 3: you know, love Jones. Let me be funny, let me

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Speaker 3: be myself. I don't man, I go to work, I

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Speaker 3: go home. I ain't drinking with y'all because then that's

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Speaker 3: when the cocaine come out. You just be somewhere to

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Speaker 3: just be cocaine. But I is trying to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's where that's where probation helped me because them first

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's it's a feelingy for me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need somebody to come up and them people

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Speaker 1: to kick that door in and here I am. But

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Speaker 1: I ain't nothing in my sister, But you ain't supposed

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Speaker 3: Bro. I spent that first year of probation suspended from college,

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Speaker 3: just working the road, and it was all I had.

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Speaker 3: It was the only thing that I looked forward to.

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Speaker 3: I'm not fucking this up. I ain't really drink. I

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Speaker 1: So it's easy because of what you went through earlier

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Speaker 1: your career, it's easy for you to say no.

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Speaker 3: It's easy for you to leave the room or not

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Speaker 1: That situation, or put yourself in that situation because you're

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Speaker 1: like Bro, I was on probationa and this could have

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Speaker 3: I don't ride in cars for people. I drive where.

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Speaker 3: I'll meet you there. I don't know what's in your car.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you roll. I don't know what's

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Speaker 3: in here. And you get the wrong cop. It's the

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Speaker 3: wrong state, it's communal possession, it's our gun. Oh lower,

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Speaker 3: So I'm not I'm good. I'll meet you there, and

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Speaker 3: if you feel some kind of way about it, then

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Speaker 3: I don't need to break bread with you.

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Speaker 4: No way.

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Speaker 3: That's just I don't know. I just that's how I've

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Speaker 3: always looked at shit. I'm just not going to find

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 1: You just starting to show with Whoopy Goldberg, even though

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Speaker 1: it didn't get picked up a pilot.

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Speaker 4: What did it work like? Working with Whoopy?

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Speaker 1: She doesn't do very much now, but there was a

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Speaker 1: time that Whoopy was I'm pretty sure she's still Whoopy.

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Speaker 3: She was great. Whoopi Goldberg is like so Whoopee. Two

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Speaker 3: of the greatest performances I've ever witnessed Whoopy Goldberg on

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Speaker 3: that sitcom and Solange Knowle's Essence fest rehearsal twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: like with sitcoms, they do rewrites, and we had a

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Speaker 3: the show for all the people who decide whether or

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Speaker 3: not this show gonna get made. And there was about

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Speaker 3: thirty pages of new dialogue from the previous night. They

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Speaker 3: script off book for an hour. I ain't never seen

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Speaker 3: no shit like that before in my life, man. And

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Speaker 3: granted she comes from theater, so she's had to memorize

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Speaker 3: three four hours of dialogue and stuff. But for me,

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Speaker 3: this is wild. Whoopee was electric and kind the premise

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Speaker 3: he was the prince and coming to America too, right,

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Speaker 3: And so Whoopee plays his grandma and it's about Jermaine

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Speaker 3: And it was a funny ass show, bro. And this

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Speaker 3: goes back to what I'm talking about about stuff getting

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Speaker 3: taken away from right. It's for ABC. This is twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 3: summer of twenty fifteen. It's for ABC. The sitcom is

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Speaker 3: a go. We're gonna make the sitcom. We're gonna make

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Speaker 3: stories that was told to me. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: get suit. But before we announced the sitcom, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: lock up Whoope's contract with the View. She's up for

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Speaker 3: a reup. We gotta get a money right with the View,

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Speaker 3: because that's the main thing.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: They were taking so long ABC and booking the new

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Speaker 3: We can't negotiate Whoopies deal until we negotiate the deals

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Speaker 3: the deals on the other actors on the sitcom expired.

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Speaker 3: Sitcom was never greenlit because it took too long to

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Speaker 3: get everything to get the main thing negotiated. Because you

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Speaker 3: get signed to do a sitcom, they gotta you know,

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Speaker 3: like two three months, because otherwise I need to go

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Speaker 3: and that's how this game is. Two weeks later, I

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Speaker 3: looking for correspondence when he takes over for John Stewart

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Speaker 3: for the Daily Show. And the only reason I end

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Speaker 4: So if it had to work, you wouldn't have been

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Speaker 3: You've never been on the Daily Show.

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Speaker 4: You see how God worked that out.

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Speaker 3: That's how it was spoil I mean, that's that's the game. Man.

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Speaker 3: It's just all of this can be snatched and taken

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Speaker 3: That's what I want for myself, man. I just I

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Speaker 3: just remember so many times watching people think they got

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Speaker 3: Whoop Whoop people was great. Man.

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Speaker 1: You compared your character, your character on outcome to do

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Speaker 1: on standards that's not all of it.

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Speaker 4: As a civil rights lawyer.

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Speaker 3: I said, the character playing at Keanu Reeves movie is

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Speaker 3: essentially a mix between Deon Sanders and the Halse Sharton.

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Speaker 3: If Dion Sanders was a civil rights if Deon Sanders

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Speaker 3: racism bag like that. I know that's a tough ship.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, HBCU. Why did you decide to

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Speaker 3: I you know my mother, you know, my pops graduated

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Speaker 3: mama Fam, which just Delta State before that, then FAM

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Speaker 3: for for grad My aunt was FAM, then Tennessee State.

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Speaker 3: It's just culture there, you know. I also I feel

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Speaker 3: like in Birmingham, Birmingham City schools are all predominantly black,

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Speaker 3: this kind of a like a natural graduation from a

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Speaker 3: just felt no brain transition. Yeah, just I never thought

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Speaker 3: about anywhere else. I only applied to three colleges out

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Speaker 3: Ryan Sandberg. Okay, right, let's take a basement. And I

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Speaker 3: ended up going to FAM because I felt like it

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a knock on Clark, but I was just

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Speaker 3: like smaller school, and there weren't a lot of people

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Speaker 3: from my school going to FAM. I think I think

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Speaker 3: Stephanie and Shauna think it was like two or three

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Speaker 3: people from my high school. I just wanted to be college.

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Speaker 3: You get to reinvent yourself. Correct, you get to be

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Speaker 3: a whold they don't know you, correct, And so I

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Speaker 3: chose FAM. I tried out for baseball, got cut in

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Speaker 3: thirty minutes. Damn, are you sure you were a baseball player.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't in high school like that, but you know,

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Speaker 3: like baseball, Like I thought I had a week, bro,

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Speaker 3: Did you did you?

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Speaker 3: And if you're into jumping out of planes or whatever,

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Speaker 3: No, Because I'm the son of the most popular journalists

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Speaker 4: So they think you got it good one.

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Speaker 3: They think you They're like, man, Roy, got it good.

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Speaker 3: I would rake leaves. I would rate leaves ten dollars front,

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Speaker 3: Wait two days, come back to your crib, look like

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Speaker 3: Who with you? Nobody? You on the road doing comedy

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Speaker 3: I'm alone. You get used to that, you get to

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because I don't believe those things are

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Speaker 3: I think the problem with loneliness is that you will

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Speaker 4: You accept anyone into that circle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm blessed in that. You know, I had a

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Speaker 3: I don't, damn you. You know ninety percent of the

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Speaker 1: And I'm interested to know. Were you always funny? How

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Speaker 3: It was always that I've always had a sense of you.

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Speaker 3: No, not till college. But in high school I wrote

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Speaker 3: we would, heckle man. I mean, granted, it was the nineties,

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Speaker 3: There was no rules, bro, there was no rules, And

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Speaker 3: State had more money, so they had comedy on a

432
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: regular basis. FAM You, you get one Nigga Semester Florida

433
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: State every every two weeks, stay at a comedy show,

434
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: and so I got I had my fake ID plug,

435
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: make me a fake seminole card, and I would go

436
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: over to Florida State and pretend to be a Florida

437
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: State student and would just watch stand up and like

438
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 3: that's why I was like, that's what I want to do.

439
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: As much as I love Stuart Scott and Kenny Maine

440
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: and their ability to bring humor to sports, I think

441
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: there's something different that I want to do. And that's

442
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 3: kind of where the itch was. But it wasn't until

443
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: I got arrested that I was like, all right, I

444
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: have to do it now. I'm going to prison, right.

445
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: I didn't know I was gonna get probation. I thought

446
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: I was going to prison, So let me try it

447
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: before I go to prison.

448
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: Riding it's the loneliness that you mentioned, Riding the greyhound buses,

449
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: sleeping at rest stops. Nobody but you, and you know everybody.

450
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: Everybody is not going to get the standing ovation the

451
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: very first time to get on stage.

452
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: There's gonna be some booze.

453
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna be, They're gonna be There're gonna be some trial,

454
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna be some tribulations.

455
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: Now uptown in Atlanta. I keep going.

456
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 4: I can go to all the time.

457
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: I used to go to all the time, the old

458
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: one when it was upstairs next to Puffy's, right to

459
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: Justins right on street. I used to get booed, and

460
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: then I will walk over to Justice and get me

461
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 3: an eight dollar water and wait to catch the bus

462
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: to go back to the greyhound station. So you're riding, yeah,

463
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: I would take the Marta downtown. There was Marters right

464
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 3: down the street from a Magic City. There was a

465
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: Martyr Greyhound like hub station downtown. So you could either

466
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: sit at Justice and be sad, or you go to

467
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 3: the Greyhound station and be sad. And if I had

468
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: eight dollars, I would go to Justice's get me an

469
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: eight dollars vast water. They were charging eight dollars for

470
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: them fucking waters. That's why they closed up. Did you

471
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: ever think about quitting comedy? Did it ever get that bad?

472
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 4: Like? Manl this? Man I I man I.

473
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: No, I got lucky. Bro I got lucky because I

474
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 3: started so young. So by the time I graduated college,

475
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: I was three years in it. So when I graduated,

476
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: just for the math, I was baking. I had two jobs.

477
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: I had two job offers in journalism. With two jobs,

478
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: I could have gotten Tampa Tribune and the Birmingham News

479
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: both were going to pay about fourteen k to be

480
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: the page two sports. I forget what it's called. But

481
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: like back in the day in the newspaper, Page two

482
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: was just the score of every sporting contest in the

483
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: country that day, and you just it's clerical. Fourteen thousand

484
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: dollars by my estimates, I was gonna make eighteen thousand

485
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: that year on the road. I'll just do it. I

486
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: call my mom, I'll go, Yo, can I move back

487
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: in with you? If you give me two years, I'll

488
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: be out of your house. She said. Cool. I call

489
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: my probation officer. He said, I'll give you nine day

490
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: visitation for hims. Every ninth day. You gotta come back

491
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: to Tallahassee. We gotta do, you know. I think it

492
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: was twenty one day. Come back to Tallahassee every month,

493
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: do a face to face, stay at my partner crib couch,

494
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: surf with him, get back to Birmingham. And that was it.

495
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: You know, But I never thought about quittin. I'm I'm

496
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: I'm lucky man. I'm just I'm I'm so blessed, and

497
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: I'm so thankful because so much of my journey has

498
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: been from people who didn't have to take a chance

499
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: on me, taking a chance on me every fucking step

500
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: of the way. For twenty seven years, it's been that.

501
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: And you know, I even look at radio where you

502
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: know I did. I did prank phone calls, and I

503
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: went viral. When you go viral over email, it's how

504
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: old I am. Well, you wouldn't know, you ain't.

505
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: Got but what so how did you get How did

506
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: you get into the prank phone calls?

507
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: That's what Ricky did. It's morning radio. You gotta do

508
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: what the what the streets want. Like I came in

509
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: the morning radio, I'm like, all right, I want to

510
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: do parody songs and funny commercials and weird political act.

511
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: They're like, get in that fucking room a black person

512
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 3: that cuts you out. Go in that room and let

513
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: black people cuss you out and record it. I go, yes, sir,

514
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: And so I got good at it. I put them

515
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: on CDs. And what happened was that we had a

516
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: webmaster at the radio station who is just lazy, and

517
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: I go, hey, man, these prank calls do really well.

518
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: We only play them that day. I worked. Really it's

519
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: hard to do it. To get one prank call, you

520
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: got to call four or five people. Could you put

521
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: these on the website so that people could download them. No,

522
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: that's too much work, lazy MoPo. So I mean, I'm

523
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: not like I'm not saying this like I know coding

524
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: or some shit. But I taught myself rudimentary web design

525
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: to build my own website. There was it should be

526
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: an app called Microsoft front Page, which was like it's square

527
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: spaced out, but it's basically if you know Microsoft Word,

528
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: you could build a website right. Build my own website.

529
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: Put my pranks on the website. First week, my website crash.

530
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: Second week, my website crash. Third week, I get a

531
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: call from the website service people. Yeah, you're getting a

532
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: lot of traffic from all over the globe. We need

533
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: you to you got to purchase a gajillion billion and

534
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: terabyte whatever. I had been putting my pranks on my

535
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: website strictly for people in Birmingham to download, but the

536
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: folks in Birmingham was taking them and emailing them today

537
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: folks all over the country. And then those people was

538
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: emailing them all over the Globe and word of out,

539
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: and that was that validated me to be able to

540
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: sell pranks called CDs. And those CDs carried me for

541
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: four or five years man at a time where a

542
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: lot of the comedy clubs weren't paying me what I should.

543
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: I know, I could pull up and sell the CD.

544
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: You know there's a there's a cat. This is Catechill

545
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: back in Birmingham and Kill ran the black owned music

546
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: store Music and more right. He carried my CDs on

547
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: the strength of just me. But because he carried my CDs,

548
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: every other white store wanted the CDs because they didn't

549
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: want to be the one to miss out. I was

550
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: selling them on consignment. I had my ship in Sam Goodie.

551
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: My ship was in Turtles, my ship was in blockbustered

552
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: dis And that's all because this black owned business took

553
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: a chance on me at the time. And like that

554
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: type of stuff got me buzz because this is you

555
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: also got to remember the early two thousands, comedy and

556
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: hip hop still had a relationship. It was more you know,

557
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: like ye had like little Duval was just starting to

558
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: get on the hustle. I think Kat was with dip Set.

559
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: You had d Ray and them, was running with Kanye,

560
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: Henry Welch was running with outcasts and organized noise.

561
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: Right, so there was all the time uptown comedy.

562
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Henry so King, Henry here a Burningham nigga.

563
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: So the idea of hip hop and comedy was starting

564
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: to work. We're get back to me after a couple

565
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: of years to go. Hey, man, a Chameleonaire put one

566
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: of your pranks on one of the mixtapes. Just Chamelionaire

567
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: doing that open up the whole state of Texas to me.

568
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: Because now if I'm on chameleon Ares mixtape, Texas DJ's

569
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: are gonna want my pranks. And if I'm on the radio,

570
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: then the comedy club in that market wants to book me.

571
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: That's more valuable than the TV credit. Bro Yep, Cameron

572
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: did same shit. Now, granted I couldn't drive all the

573
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: way to New York to take advantage of being on

574
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: set mixtapes, but there's just so many I look at

575
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: my life in times, man, and you know, Celo said,

576
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: everybody somebody because of somebody else. Man, That's the truth.

577
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: For me, man, I'm just thankful how.

578
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: This shows like Comic View and Apollo, because I read

579
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: that you were like turned down by comic view.

580
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, early on, I mean a lot of cats then,

581
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean, but my comedy's more preppy and upright, Like

582
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 3: it wasn't like coming off of death Jam. You want

583
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: to loud, boisterous, bombastic comedy. So I get why I

584
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: didn't get it, you know, to start.

585
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: But other comedians, like growing up you said you you know,

586
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: you always had a sense of humor. What were some

587
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: of the comics that you looked at, like, man, I

588
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: like that. You know a lot of people say it

589
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: was prior and it was Murphy obviously. Now you have

590
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: Chappelle and things a Rock, things of that nature. But

591
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: when you were a kid, who did you look to

592
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: in comedy?

593
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: Simbad, Chris Rock, George Carlin. Simbad was just a beast man.

594
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: He was a machine. He was people forget that. Simbad

595
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: did a live stand up special on network like you

596
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: talking about freedom speech? Who you know do a live

597
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: comedy special on network television?

598
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: That's crazy?

599
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: Oh I'm live on Netflix. You don't know what I'm

600
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 3: gonna say. Sim Dad was live on ABC with commercial breaks,

601
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: which means you got to write commercial breaks into your

602
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: set because You're still performing even while the nation isn't watching.

603
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: That's psychotic behavior. And then with an all black camera crew,

604
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: then gives the all black camera crew a shot out

605
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 3: on the TV why they're shooting a special. He does

606
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: not get his flowers, he does not get the respect

607
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: that in my opinion, he doesn't get the praise that

608
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: he deserves. But it was Chris Rock, it was George Carlin,

609
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: a little bit of Martin Lawrence early on his first CD.

610
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: Funket was like, or was it you're so crazy? I'm

611
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: not sure, but Funkett was the one that like you.

612
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: That's someone that got me. Like my early stand up

613
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: was a terrible Martin Lawrence in personally, if you get

614
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: every comment when they start, you just impersonate somebody else

615
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: until you figure out your voice. And for me, it

616
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: was Martin.

617
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: You mentioned that DL gave you your first big break.

618
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Did you did d L actually know that he was

619
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: giving you this break?

620
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: No? No, that's one of like DL was one of

621
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: those ogs that gives more than he has to. And

622
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 3: I would also put that on Marlon Marlon and Sean

623
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: Wayas too. You know, I used to do so when

624
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: I was doing Mornings one of the advantages for those

625
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: ten years that I was under Aaron Birmingham while doing

626
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: stand up was that any black comedian that came into

627
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: the city did our show. So I got to meet you,

628
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: I got to see your approach to marketing and analyzing,

629
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: which book mark Lavelle Crawford and Bruce Bruce most brilliant

630
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: marketers ever in black comedy. Marlon and Sean would do

631
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: our show every year even if the show was sold out,

632
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: And the only other person I knew who would do

633
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: that was Simbad. Simbad would come in and do media

634
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 3: even if the show was sold out, because he knew

635
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: he was essentially selling next year's show right now DL.

636
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: What happened with DL? So when I got hired at

637
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: the radio station, I lie Bro. The one thing I

638
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: also learned in entertainment is that nobody's telling the truth,

639
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: So just fucking lie and if they catch you, apologize

640
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: or figure your way out of it. But most of

641
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: what you're saying nobody's double checking, So just lie.

642
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: So it's easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission.

643
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: So seven jams at the time Ricky Smiley leaves, they

644
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: do a contest to see and you know, and my

645
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: man said de Laney, who I had to give a

646
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: shout out to, said was there for a couple of

647
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: years after Ricky. And then they get into what they're

648
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: trying to do with a new comic after said in

649
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: them leave. I called the DJ my man Buck while

650
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: still there now, and I go, hey, man, I'm a

651
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: young comic. I got a degree in journalism. I think

652
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: I could do comedy. He goes, I don't know if

653
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: you're funny. We're just not going to do any more

654
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: auditions right now, but thanks. I go, okay, cool. I

655
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: call the Comedy Club because I knew DL was performing

656
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: that weekend, and I knew Jams promotes the black comics.

657
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: I called the Comedy Club. I go, hey, Bruce Ayers,

658
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: he's the owner. I go, hey, Bruce, I just got

659
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: hired at ninety five to seven jobs. That man told

660
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: you they wait to tell me any more auditions, Buck,

661
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: who said it wasn't no more auditions. But Bruce Airs

662
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: don't know any more auditions. So I called Bruce. I

663
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: go a big dog. I just got hired at ninety

664
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: five seven. They say they want me to host for

665
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: d L instead of doing the station promo T shirt toss.

666
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: Bruce goes cool, see your Friday. I get off the

667
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: phone with Bruce. I called Buck while back, Hey man,

668
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: I just got booked to open for DL hugely Friday night.

669
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: Watch me. If I'm not funny, then don't with me.

670
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: If I am funny, give me that job, give it

671
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: a job. He goes cool. That's Tuesday. Friday comes. All

672
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: I gotta do is keep Buck Wow and Bruce a

673
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: And this is not Buck Whole starring Buck Wow. This

674
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: is a different book. Whow Friday night come. I keep

675
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: them separated. I'll go out on stage. I do my

676
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 3: five and it's one of those nights where just everything worked.

677
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: It's just God, every joke, every syllable. And I'm from there,

678
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 3: so I got a home feel advantage. I'm destroying Bro.

679
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: And as I come off stage, Buck Wilders standing there

680
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: and he goes see you Monday morning, bring twelve Krispy Kremes.

681
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: And next to Buck is DL Hughley and DL goes, hey,

682
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: young brother, that was a good set. Well you say

683
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: you stay and open for me for the rest of

684
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: the weekend. Now this time at this comedy club to

685
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: start on in Birmingham. This is my home club. You

686
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: don't get to open for a fucking weekend headliner until

687
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: you've done all of these other progressions within the club.

688
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: You gotta perform on this night for this type and

689
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: this night for this type of it. DL's vouch skip

690
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: me straight to the front of the fucking line, and

691
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: now I have tape opening for him, which essentially opens

692
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: up me to work Nashville, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Memphis, and Atlanta

693
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 3: because now I can put your name on my resume

694
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: and that validates me. And that's what I mean, man,

695
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: It's just DL didn't know he was doing all that.

696
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: He was funny do that same time. Yeah, he can't

697
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: give a fun Yeah, I mean maybe you did. But

698
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: it's like that type of stuff. Man, I've never forgotten,

699
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: and I've tried my best to be that for others,

700
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: for others when I can, you know, I try.

701
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: You mentioned about how how hard it is to follow it,

702
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: and I've heard a lot of people, had Ricky Smiley on,

703
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: as you know, I've had a lot of comedians on

704
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: because I love comedians, and Ricky said one thing, I

705
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: ain't following LaBelle Crawford. I ain't doing it, and you

706
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: mentioned Patrisea O'Neill and Tommy Davidson, Lavell Crawford. How hard

707
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: is it actually even though you good like man Hey,

708
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm good.

709
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: I do what I do.

710
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: But how hard is it to follow somebody like a

711
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: Lavell Crawford?

712
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 4: Rest is soul? Patricia?

713
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: I don't know because I've never done it and I

714
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: never will. I will never follow Lavell Crawford. I will

715
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: just quit comedy become a podcaster. Lavelle and Bruce Bruce.

716
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: I see Bruce.

717
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: I used to see Bruce all the time when I

718
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: was Atlanta. I have the utmost respect for them because

719
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: when you do morning radio, I watch. I get to

720
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: see you market and I see how you move. Lavell

721
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: and Bruce will come to Birmingham the night before. Granted,

722
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: y'all Atlanta, you can drive over morning be in the

723
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: studio at sevenoin thirty. Yeah, promote the show. An Lavell

724
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: Bruce were coming to Birmingham the day before and they

725
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: would go to the Black Mall. They would go to

726
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: Centry Plaza at that time, they were to Sentry Platz

727
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: and Western Hills Mall and they would just crack on

728
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: in the food court like you talk about word of mouth.

729
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: They literally would just go in city trends, Yeah you

730
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: gonna buy that that shit don't look good, and just

731
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: row strength. Then bounce around to all the barbershops in

732
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: the city in the afternoon. Then that night go to

733
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: the club, go to one or two clubs, just to

734
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: be like, it's one thing to be funny, so that

735
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: was funny, blah blah blah, but to market yourself and

736
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: understand the importance of outreach and connecting with people, Like

737
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: you can do it all through social now and you

738
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 3: can connect out a right fine, but in those days

739
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: you had to really grind to create an audience. Man,

740
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: and those brothers I watched them. I watched them for

741
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: a decade, come into town and they would have a

742
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: Thursday through Sunday, and then it became a Friday Saturday.

743
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: Then it became a Friday Saturday. Instead of four shows,

744
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: six shows, instead of four shows, eight shows. Gary Owen two,

745
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: that's another one. Like they were just and they not

746
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: only understood being funny on stage, but they understood how

747
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: to be funny on the radio. We used to call

748
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: lavell a pushback, where in radio you would turn on

749
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: the mic ninety five seven jams. It's in the studio

750
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: Lavell Crawford. It start on Lavell, how you doing? And

751
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: you just pushed back from the mic that Nigga gonna

752
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: talk for four minutes straight. Cho Cho Cho Cho Choe

753
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: roast everybody in the room. We take a call. He

754
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: roast the ass too. The marketing of it was intentional

755
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: and it was diabolical, and I just I didn't understand

756
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: it at the time. I wish I did. There's just

757
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: so many balls. I feel like I dropped when it

758
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: comes to understanding marketing. Will stand up that. I feel

759
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: like I'm even now still making up time for you

760
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 3: got to open for Cat, who opened for cash Money.

761
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this.

762
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: Let me tell you about that night.

763
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: I caught a lot of criticism for the Cat interview

764
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: because I don't because Cat peeled back a scalp that

765
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: if you're not in that business, you didn't know, you

766
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: didn't know. So many comics didn't like each other until

767
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Cat revealed that unless you're in the comic, you're in

768
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: that area.

769
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 3: As a comic. I was like, oh, yeah, I already know, yes, but.

770
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: The world didn't know that.

771
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: So he pulled back a scalp and allowed the world

772
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: to see what was going on in that business you mentioned.

773
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, and people got upset at me,

774
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of people that you know, been very

775
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: outspoken and saying some things, and I've gotten some pushback.

776
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all could say what y'all said to me.

777
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Why don't y'all say that the cat I didn't say

778
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 1: anything that I said. That's cat experience. That is CAT

779
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: experience with said individuals. When I allow people to this

780
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: is your story, You're coming on and telling your story

781
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: about your father. Now me pushing back, Well, your father

782
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: did the best he could and he did X, Y,

783
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: and Z, but this.

784
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: Is your story.

785
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: I should allow you to come on and tell your story.

786
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: Cat to come on and tell his story. But everybody

787
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: got upset at me, and not Cat for saying.

788
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: I ain't got a mad at Cat. Have you talked

789
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: to him since the interview, Yes, And he said, he's like,

790
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 3: they're not gonna say anything to me. What they're gonna

791
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: say to me, because this is what I do. And

792
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: he said that was just he said that was not

793
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: a direct hit, that was just a flyover. That absolutely

794
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: was I mean knowing some of the infighting in comedy.

795
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: You know, I try to, I don't know. I move

796
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: in love and usually when beefs start within black comedy,

797
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: I already went home because the cocaine is out. My goal,

798
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: you have think said, my goal at any comedy show

799
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 3: is to leave before the cocaine comes out. So most

800
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 3: of the CAT was talking about the cocaine was out, Okay,

801
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: the liquor was flowing, right. There was some shit going on,

802
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: the funniest shit about Cat, and I've only worked with

803
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: him that one time. I can't even say that he

804
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: ever did our morning show because by the time he

805
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: became CAT, there was no need for him to do

806
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: local radio. On a Friday morning, cash Money, Cat is

807
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: going up and cash Money's on the show. I don't

808
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: know which in the Hot Boys, but somebody in the

809
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: Hot Boys would not come off the bus until they

810
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 3: got about Chrystal. It's ten thirty on a Thursday night

811
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: in Birmingham, Alabama. There ain't no fucking Chrystal.

812
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, where.

813
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna get Krystal? Where in Birmingham?

814
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: Nowhere?

815
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 3: Strip club? Oh okay, right, So our program director calls

816
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: some folks at the Strip Club and it was like,

817
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: we need two balls of crystal. Can you sell us

818
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: two balls of crystal at the back and they was

819
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: like yeah, who they for Lil Wayne, I want tickets.

820
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: Then we get there with the Christal and the club

821
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 3: want to bring to Crystal. Now he want to meet

822
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: and greet. What if you don't stop? You a fucking

823
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: And this is like the back to school backpack, So

824
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: like we need this concert to happen because the proceeds

825
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: go to help the compunity. Now I'm just saying I

826
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: need to meet Wahn. I don't even think that. But yeah,

827
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 3: Kat was there. Man, he showed a lot of love.

828
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: I bombed, boo, I bombed. And it's worse when you

829
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: bomb at the crib because called the station the next

830
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: day the why'd you bomb? Because I don't know. Some

831
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: days it ain't your day, and it had to be

832
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: that day. I bombed. One time I got I almost

833
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 3: got booted. Well technically I did get booed at the Apollo.

834
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: The Sandman didn't come out. If the sad Man don't

835
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 3: come out, did you get boot I.

836
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: Mean if they booing, I mean nah, technically I guess not,

837
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: because technically a boo was a boot nah, but the

838
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: sad man, they gotta come get you.

839
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I got booed, but no sandman. So whatever you

840
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 3: want to call that. Next day it airs on. Like

841
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: I said, pol used to come on Sunday nights on

842
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: upn Man. Next day I'm at the radio station. Somebody

843
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: called and said, man, if that's the best you can do,

844
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: tell you from Montgomery. I ain't never forgot that shit, bro,

845
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: I ain't never forgot it. But no, I think I

846
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 3: think Kat Williams is one of the best comedians doing

847
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: it right now. It's not even close. And what's interesting.

848
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: What's fun about watching Kat is that you can see

849
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 3: him turn the political switch on and then you see

850
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: him turn it off.

851
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

852
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: You know, I won't talk about that. No, anyway, let's

853
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: talk about ladies, right, And that's a beautiful It's it

854
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: goes back to that, to that Dick Gregory separation of

855
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: the two. You know, granted pain versus politics. Kat can

856
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: just be silly and then he can be poignant. Yeah.

857
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: The Washington Post said you occupy space field by Chris

858
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: Rock in the nineties. Day Papel in the early two thousand,

859
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: black comedians who double as one of the most thoughtful

860
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: and political commentators.

861
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: That's kind of them.

862
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: Did you intention try to occupy this space, because, like

863
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: I said, you know, prior did for a little while,

864
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: but mainly is Mooney Carlin, Rob Chappelle.

865
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even think I'm in that.

866
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: Oh you you are not.

867
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 3: There's more work to be done, in my opinion, to

868
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: get to that pantheon. I have just tried to make

869
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: people laugh by showing them my perspective on the world

870
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: as I see it. Right, my first three comedy specials

871
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: were very political. The one I just did for Hulu

872
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: was about loneliness and just how we're fucked up inside

873
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: as a people. That's really all I wanted to talk

874
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: about that special. The first half of that special is

875
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: y'all are fucked up, and then the back half is

876
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: I'm fucked up. That was it. I didn't try to

877
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 3: give a deep and now of politics and that particular

878
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: special by intention because I was just tired of talking

879
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: about the world. I wanted to talk about us and me.

880
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm thankful to the Washington Post for

881
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 3: those words.

882
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: But because it isn't a comedian job and to take

883
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: real events and make them funny. Yeah, that in and

884
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: of its nature.

885
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, or it's events from the world or events that

886
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 3: happened to you.

887
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 4: Right.

888
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: Comedy is journalism. We're all reporters. Every comedian you name

889
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: is a reporter, and they're either reporting on the world

890
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: as they see it or themselves in their own condition

891
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: and their state of mind. To me, that's that's what

892
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 3: this is. I didn't set out to talk about a

893
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: bunch of politics. I just woke up one day and

894
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: I kind of started caring about racism more than I

895
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: did talking about paying back my student loans. Y'all put

896
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: that on me. They put that on me. You know,

897
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: I'm thankful for that time at the Daydaily Show because

898
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 3: you know, Trevor Noah gave me a lot of runway

899
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: to talk about a lot of black shit and take

900
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: cameras into places were normally black folks. With extreme media

901
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 3: is not gonna write, They're not gonna allow that. I

902
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 3: don't know any of the program that would have even

903
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 3: attempted to look at the twentieth anniversary of the Millionaire

904
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: in March with jokes. Yeah, and somehow still remain respectful

905
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: to what black people were doing. I mean, we spoke

906
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 3: with Nuri Muhammad from the Nation in that piece, which

907
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 3: I would have even and that's also why I've tried

908
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: my best man to be kind to people and to

909
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: be polite, because you don't know when you're gonna need

910
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: those favors like that. Was the second piece that I

911
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: did for the Daily Show, was talking about the Justice

912
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 3: or else March. I don't know anybody in the Nation.

913
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 3: I'm not plugged in like that, but I know Charlemagne

914
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 3: the God is and I don't know at the time.

915
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 3: I don't know Charlemagne, but I know Andrew Schultz, and

916
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 3: I know Schultz know Charlemagne A schultzs would well call

917
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: if I didn't need this, Can you hit Charlemagne? Tell

918
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: Charlemagne hit made the call telephone game. Two days later,

919
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: we get an email from the Nation. Here's who you

920
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 3: can talk to. Here are the terms. So I never

921
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 3: saw that as some sort of crusade of blackness. It

922
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: was just these are the stories that are interesting to me.

923
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: How can I make them funny so that they'll be

924
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: interesting to you. Let's go to the South side of

925
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: Chicago and do a walk along with strangers who diffuse

926
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 3: gang conflict. What's funny about it? I'm not sure. We'll

927
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: figure it out though, but the what is more important

928
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: than the funny. So let's go out and do that. Hey, Roy,

929
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 3: tell your camera crew to stay over there and don't

930
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 3: point the cameras down the street. We're gonna go up

931
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: the block and make sure it's cool for y'all to

932
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: even come up the block. That type of shit. And

933
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 3: I have to give respect to Trevor Noah for giving

934
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: me the run way, because it's the thing. I'm the

935
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: new dude at the Daily Show. I'm not gonna come

936
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: in and go Yo, we should talk to the nation

937
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 3: and we should go to Chicago's hush. You need Trevor

938
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 3: to come in with that accent. I think what Roy

939
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: is trying to say, like, yeah, tell him what I'm driving. Yeah.

940
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: So having producers that cared enough to allow me, I mean, man.

941
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: One of the last stories I did before I left

942
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: Daily Show was about cop City in Atlanta. We in

943
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: the forest with people who are shitting in buckets, trying

944
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: to stop police from building a training facility that's just

945
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 3: going to make the police more militaristic and ruin the environment.

946
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 3: So did I set out to do that? I don't know, Man,

947
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 3: that's just the stuff I'm drawn to. And I don't

948
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: know if that's because I did ride alongs with my

949
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 3: dad and you got an opportunity to see what was

950
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where it got planted.

951
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: You know, you ever think about do you ever concern

952
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: yourself with how much of a burden you want to

953
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: give your children about being black versus what being black

954
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 3: could be? How do you teach the history without giving

955
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: them the burden?

956
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I try.

957
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: I've tried to shield them as much as I possibly could,

958
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: But I think they did a lot of research on

959
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: their own and they understand what that even though that

960
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: last name is still attached to a black man, you.

961
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: Know, as wild I did finding your roots, and they

962
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: found the white family that purchased the first black wood

963
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: of my bloodline off the slave ships in Charleston.

964
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 4: Yep, that's what we came off of.

965
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,959
Speaker 3: If I wanted to today, I could find the Whitewood

966
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 3: descendants and other than Georgia and pull up on a

967
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: fucking house one day, I will. They ain't got no money,

968
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: though I zillowed they crib, they broke right. That's the

969
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: thing we will talk about with slavery man, there's a

970
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: lot of white people fumbled like y'all. Yeah you had

971
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: worn't the funny you just still couldn't come up how

972
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: you broke and you had slaves? Yeah, that was gold.

973
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: They fumbled broke. You are Have you ever met rocking

974
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: no Chapelle? Yeah, yeah, Rock and I are cool. I'm

975
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 3: cooler with Rock than I see Rock more frequently than Chappelle.

976
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: Let me say it that way. You know, Chappelle is

977
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: show up like Yoda and then be gone. But Rock

978
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: I've seen from time to time at the comedy clubs

979
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 3: and stuff around New York. Number of respect for both

980
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: of them, you know, and just what they've worked to build.

981
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 3: You know, y'alls have to really think about a lot

982
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: of what Dave's built and what we know and love

983
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: Dave for came from rejecting the industry, yes, and not

984
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 3: knowing he know what was on the other side of

985
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: going to Africa, but he followed his instincts. He knew

986
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: that was the right thing to do.

987
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: So that's a lot. I mean to turn that down.

988
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: But now what makes him so impressive is that they

989
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: can't take something that he didn't value. See once, once

990
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: he found out what they value that he didn't value.

991
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: Now you could no longer harve it. You could harm

992
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: you couldn't harm it. See, it's hard to starve a

993
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: man that can grow his crop and cook for himself.

994
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 4: You can't starve it. Yeah, because he can live off

995
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 4: the land.

996
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 3: He knows how to survive, and that's what I want.

997
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 4: Chapel.

998
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: Once Chapel found out he could survive, he can do

999
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: a show.

1000
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: He don't really need anybody.

1001
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 4: He could. Like, I'm doing a show at such and such.

1002
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: It sold out in five minutes, probably going to crash

1003
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: the site, but it sold out in five minutes.

1004
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: It's like that old school prince Ship where Prince would

1005
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: just tell us tour bus driver, drive west, what city,

1006
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 3: I'll tell you later, and then sell out Staples Center

1007
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 3: on two days notice. Yep, Yeah, I really that's what

1008
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 3: I want for myself. You know I think that. Well, man,

1009
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: I just I can look at so many times in

1010
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: my life where I got fucked in the game and

1011
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: it wasn't my fault. You didn't know I got fired

1012
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 3: from radio. I found out I got fired from radio

1013
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 3: over Twitter. Damn. People don't even how to have some compassion. God, damn,

1014
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 3: why are you saying that, but I'm saying they don't

1015
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 3: have the common courtesy to call in more. What is

1016
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 3: common courtesy?

1017
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: Hey, Roy, we're going to look. It's gonna hurt the same.

1018
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be without a job. The income is not

1019
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: gonna be coming in. But you know, Roy, you know

1020
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: what we're doing. We're downside and we're decided to go

1021
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: in a different direction. We really appreciate your contributions to

1022
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: the to the to the network, to the station. We

1023
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: wish you the best of luck.

1024
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 3: No, given that speech before, if you google Roy Wood

1025
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: Junior show fired, you read the article. It's still up.

1026
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: They fired us, and I found out that morning on Twitter.

1027
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 3: I thought I was dead. They're like, well, I'm gonna

1028
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 3: miss Roy. Did I do that? Am I dead?

1029
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 4: Like?

1030
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 3: I gave my heart and soul to that show, And

1031
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: it ultimately came down to what they saw as a

1032
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 3: conflict of interest. I booked a sitcom. I'm a comedian.

1033
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 3: I can't say no to a sick Huh. No, Can

1034
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: I do the show from LA while I do the sitcom?

1035
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 3: They say, well, think about it next day file that's

1036
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: the game. I think that we have made the mistake

1037
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 3: of thinking that the people who have lord over us

1038
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 3: have the same compassion they don't. And once you accept that,

1039
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 3: you're free to move. It's like comedian Doug stand Up say,

1040
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: once you accept that you're completely and unapologetically fucked, only

1041
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 3: then are you free to move throughout this country without

1042
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 3: care and concern. I had a sitcom on TBS. We

1043
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 3: went three seasons, we got a handshake for the fourth season,

1044
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: and next week the show was canceled. That's the game.

1045
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 3: It's unfortunate, but that is the game. You work daily

1046
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 3: show for eight years, they say you're in and running

1047
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 3: for the host, and then you find out somebody else

1048
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 3: was already in the job, promised the job. Okay, that's fine,

1049
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 3: you can tell me because you thought I was gonna

1050
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: tell him. Okay, cool, But now where do I fit

1051
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: into the new structure of the show? And I know

1052
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: I can't trust you because you already said the bullshit.

1053
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 3: If I stay here and you merge, will the new

1054
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 3: host fire me? Will I even like the new host?

1055
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 3: Will the merger require a cutting salary? Will I be

1056
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 3: fired because of the merger and there's a salary fucking consolidation?

1057
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 3: Am I truly safe here? I don't know, but I

1058
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 3: do know. If I'm gonna find something next, it's going

1059
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 3: to during an election year, So I should quit. It's

1060
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: nothing personal. I should quit. I'm gonna quit and I'll

1061
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: figure it out, the same as I did after getting

1062
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: fired over Twitter, the same as I did after the

1063
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 3: Handshake sitcom. I'm not scared because I've slept in fucking

1064
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 3: bus stations. All I need to do is make sure

1065
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 3: that the boy got a roof, he got clothes, and

1066
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 3: he got food, and we'll figure everything else out. Everything

1067
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 3: else side.

1068
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: After that, when you called that prank j Prince, did

1069
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: you know who Jay Prince? Did you know who Jay

1070
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: Prince was? Whend it? Yes, that was one of the

1071
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: reasons why you wanted to brank you.

1072
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: Huh. I wish we still had the audio of that

1073
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 3: prank phone call.

1074
01:05:59,000 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: What happened to it?

1075
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 3: Deleted it on the day you deleted it? Yes, you think?

1076
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: You think I want that ship to leak so for

1077
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 3: the people don't know. So when the pranks were bubbling

1078
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 3: and Cha Millionaires running with me, I'm gonna PIPSI UGK

1079
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 3: mixtape and Dip said and all of that, I get

1080
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 3: a call from a company and they go, hey, we

1081
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: want to do print calls on Texas celebrities. We think

1082
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 3: your print calls are great. Come on down to Texas.

1083
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna do the prank calls. We're gonna print call celebrities.

1084
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: I go yeah, and they cut me a check. I'm there.

1085
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: It wasn't a lot. It's like ten thousand dollars, but.

1086
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 4: A lot of money. Back then, it wasn't it.

1087
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 3: It was a lot to a nigga making five hundred

1088
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 3: a week. Road Yeah, So they go come down here

1089
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: and make these pranks. I go bet, and they have

1090
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: a list of Texas celebrities and it's like Paul Wall

1091
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 3: and Michael Irvin, TD Jake's and they got Jay Prince

1092
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 3: on the list. And Jay Prince is I understood. I

1093
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 3: grew up listening to the ghetto boys. I grew up

1094
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: listening to Till Death Do Us Part and we can't

1095
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 3: be stopped. So I knew he was an imposing figure,

1096
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 3: but I figured him to be able to take a joke.

1097
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 3: When I called his ass and he just kept asking

1098
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 3: me where I was, like, where you at? Where you at?

1099
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: You're talking all this shit? Where you at? And then

1100
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 3: the engineer came on the phone. He goes, hey, Jay,

1101
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 3: it's us. We're just breaking you. It's no big deal.

1102
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: This is Roy he's a comedian. And Jay goes, oh,

1103
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: if you with him, I know exactly where you at.

1104
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 3: And he hung up the phone and I'm like, he's

1105
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: on the way here, and everybody in the room was like, no,

1106
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 3: it's not Jay can take a joke. We spend the

1107
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 3: next twenty minutes trying to call JA Prince to like

1108
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: make sure shit is cool. The phone, answer the phone.

1109
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: So I told I told the people at the studio.

1110
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: I go, hey, I'm gonna run to the hotel and

1111
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: drop my bag because I came straight to the studio

1112
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 3: from the airport. I go, listen, I'm gonna run to

1113
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 3: the hotel, drop my bags off, get some lunch. Let's

1114
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: do the rest of these pranks after lunch. Cool cool.

1115
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 3: I went to the airport.

1116
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 4: Did he show up to the station.

1117
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 3: So years later, Jay calls Sway on MTV. He's talking

1118
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: to Sway and j Prince confirmed he was on his

1119
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 3: way to the fucking studio to fuck me up. Oh

1120
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: wait no, it was Drink Chaps. Shout out to Drink Chaps. Yeah,

1121
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 3: he was on Drink Chaps, but said, Nori asked him,

1122
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 3: just like you too, Norri asked him. He was like, yeah, man,

1123
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 3: did you well, you know, I was just gonna come up.

1124
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 3: I think that what I didn't realize what that prank

1125
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 3: was that because of what Jay meant to the streets,

1126
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 3: you can't clown nobody like that. But I'm a comedian, bro.

1127
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 3: We clown everybody, but you can't clown J in his

1128
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 3: own town. Because I was in Houston. I was in

1129
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 3: Houston a total of three hours. I landed, went to

1130
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 3: the studio, prank called J Prince. The ship went sideways.

1131
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 3: I got in the cab, went back to the airport,

1132
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 3: back in Birmingham whole day, got back to my mama

1133
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 3: house where you been. Don't worry about it, Joyce. Yeah, yeah,

1134
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 3: that was that was. We laugh about it now, J

1135
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 3: and I. But at the time I was violating yet

1136
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 3: because the premise of the prank was I own a

1137
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 3: I own a mom and pop record shop. These rap

1138
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 3: At album rap a Lot then fell off, and I'm

1139
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 3: naming artists by artists which rapt At doing terrible and

1140
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm just naming rap. You can't do that to the

1141
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 3: head of Rap a Lot Records and claim you're in Houston.

1142
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 4: He was coming to see you.

1143
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 3: He as he should, like you have to come beat

1144
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 3: the ship out of somebody who the co worker with

1145
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 3: snitche Yeah what you say it like it was some

1146
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 3: sort of like you snatched on the man. Roll right down.

1147
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 3: He wasn't doing his job, Kim. That is your place

1148
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 3: of imploring me. I understood that after the slap. Let

1149
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 3: me explain it because I told her. I tell the

1150
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: story in my book. But let me explain it because

1151
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 3: I told the story of my book. All right, So

1152
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 3: did you ever work any type of food service job,

1153
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 3: dishroom anything? Okay, that's right, YouTube visit running around.

1154
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in the fields. I do a manulator, okay,

1155
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: scroping tobacco, picking up peek and clipping onions, catching chicken,

1156
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: running that round tree.

1157
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1158
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 3: So I worked in the hospital, you know Health South

1159
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 3: because okay, Health South has a rehab hospital in Birmingham.

1160
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 3: I worked in the cafeteria. We go to the floors,

1161
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,520
Speaker 3: collect the trays, wash the trade. Worked in the cafeteriaka,

1162
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 3: it is your job to help me collect the trays. Right,

1163
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 3: It's a two man jobs job. This motherfucking the gym

1164
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 3: hooping for money, because there's a rehab hospital. They got

1165
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 3: a gym. He down there playing twenty one ten dollars

1166
01:11:55,439 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 3: a point. Motherfucker. We have a job. Bit of a job.

1167
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 4: Can't break you up.

1168
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 3: Fucked out. He hooping. He earned it. So I'm from perspective.

1169
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 3: I'm sixteen. This man is like thirty five, thirty six

1170
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 3: years old. This is a grown man hooping for my

1171
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 3: He make his money hooping at work. And when he free,

1172
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 3: he helped me. In the dish room, I go to

1173
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: all the floors, I pick, I do the pickups. I

1174
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 3: do the drop first, I drop all the trades. A

1175
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 3: hour later, you go do all the pic by myself.

1176
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 3: Because he down there hooping for ten dollars a point.

1177
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 3: I come back to the dishroom and I'm behind. And

1178
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 3: like in the dishroom in those days, you make lunch

1179
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 3: in the same hot plates and plates whatever that they

1180
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 3: need for dinner. You gotta wash them to make the

1181
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 3: dinner plates. They got to turn it around. Supervisor, come in,

1182
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 3: go hey for the dinner plates. It's taking too long.

1183
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: I go with laget be quicker. If motherfucking Mike was here,

1184
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 3: is that snitching or is that me just going and hey, man,

1185
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 3: get off my ass and look for the other that support.

1186
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: Why are you in the dishroom mad at me? I'm

1187
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 1: here right this go What you wanted him to ask?

1188
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: Where is Mike?

1189
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 3: But instead you on my ass talking about I ain't

1190
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 3: watching fast enough. Of course I ain't watching fast. It's

1191
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 3: a two man job and it's only one man here.

1192
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 3: I say, Mike down in that gym, go ask Mike.

1193
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 3: He go down to the gym, Get Mike. Mike, come

1194
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 3: back to the dishroom. Slap shit out of me, grown man,

1195
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 3: slap a sixteen year old he's a Mike, Slap shit

1196
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 3: out of me. Then this motherfucker take a little vial out.

1197
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: Motherfucker twist. Mother tells me to get out of his

1198
01:13:55,280 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 3: dishroom and this man. For the next thirty minutes, Shannon

1199
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 3: does the work that it should take two men to

1200
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 3: do an hour. One bump of cocaine. That motherfucker washed

1201
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 3: all them dishes. He ain't wear no gloves. You know,

1202
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 3: an industrial dishwash that's two oundred degrees. Yes, touching the

1203
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: bare hands, skin, touching the dishes, silverware. It's like holding

1204
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 3: a fucking hot that's a hot poker like it's holding

1205
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 3: a hot poker. You pull dishes out and then industrial dishwasher.

1206
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 3: Mike was pulling them, stacking them, had the whole thing straight.

1207
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 3: We never were behind schedule. And he turns back to

1208
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,799
Speaker 3: me and he goes, don't you ever question the master?

1209
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 3: And the whole time I'm thinking I snitched on him,

1210
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 3: he gonna be in trouble, he gonna get ridden up.

1211
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 3: Nothing happened to him. And it was like the first

1212
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 3: time I learned a very valuable lesson or that if

1213
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 3: you're e exceptionally get your job. The rules do not

1214
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 3: apply to you, and all you can do is what

1215
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 3: you can do. So if you ain't as good as Mike,

1216
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 3: just do your best. Supervisors see you in respect. But

1217
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 3: that it's the first and only time I ever sinitched

1218
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 3: on anybody in my life. Was cocaine Mike at Health

1219
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 3: Self Rehab Hospital, Lakeshore Drive.

1220
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 4: Mike, if you out there a you did your head?

1221
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 3: No, Mike, if you out there for you thirty seven

1222
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 3: slapping a sixteen year old. I can talk that shit

1223
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 3: now because I know he's old and.

1224
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 4: I get your.

1225
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: Did you ever get called a nipo baby because your

1226
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: father was an icon. They got called that baby because

1227
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: you didn't go into profession that he was in.

1228
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,839
Speaker 3: I mean technically I did. I mean, you know what's interesting,

1229
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 3: But I don't feel like black people get called up

1230
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 3: with babies in the same way that white people do.

1231
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 3: Because I feel like Brannie James did you Yeah, Bronnie's

1232
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 3: that's a whole nother that's a whole nother level, like oh,

1233
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 3: your dad civil rights icon and you on the Daily

1234
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 3: Show talking about black issues. The only reason you there

1235
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 3: is because my daddy didn't get me that. I mean,

1236
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: they are definitely, you know, my pops died in ninety five,

1237
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 3: but also there are a great deal of people who

1238
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 3: I I'm sure give me opportunities because they knew my dad,

1239
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 3: or they because they respect this legacy. But I still

1240
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 3: think we're gonna show improve atmosphere. Bronnie included, Wow, Okay,

1241
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 3: you got skipped to the front of the line. We

1242
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 3: could argue the stats and say somebody else should have

1243
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 3: went in the second round, but sooner or later, Brinnie

1244
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 3: gotta put the basket in the hoop or you're gonna

1245
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 3: be gone, same as anybody else in the way.

1246
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: We don't get were Donna finish up on this. You

1247
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: said your dad was a good father, but.

1248
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 3: A questionable husband, terrible husband.

1249
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 4: Yeah you think your mom? Did you? Did you? Did

1250
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 4: you ever see your.

1251
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: Mom stay up at night crying wondering where he was

1252
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: when he was coming home. She just accepted the fact

1253
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: this is who he is, this is who she married,

1254
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: and this is what I'm gonna do.

1255
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 3: My mom knew what it was. My mom had a

1256
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 3: next strategy. You're in a fuck situation. You don't gain

1257
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 3: anything from Sydney here being sad about it. What's your

1258
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 3: way out? Okay, grad school, law school, back, how do

1259
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 3: you pay for it? Move in with him? The boy

1260
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: gets a dad to beat the shit out of him.

1261
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: If you jump back and at night, I can go

1262
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 3: be in school. The boy will be straight because it

1263
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 3: possibly be home and latch key. He's okay, that's gonna

1264
01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 3: be my way out. I don't think that my mom

1265
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 3: and I say think because she and I never talked

1266
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 3: about it. We still haven't talked about it yet. But

1267
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 3: I think that my mom and I we just looked

1268
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 3: at it. As you know, I've always looked at my

1269
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 3: mom and I as a teen, We've always had each

1270
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 3: other's back. And I think that to some degree, the

1271
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 3: way my pops chose to treat her, she did not

1272
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 3: allow to define her. They didn't get the divorce and I, okay, fine,

1273
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 3: but that's the playbook she chose to run. I never

1274
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 3: saw my mama cry over that, man. I never saw

1275
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 3: my mama stressed out over how he chose to treat her.

1276
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 3: I just saw a woman every night who worked hard

1277
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 3: and asked for help when she needed it, and now

1278
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 3: in the later years of her life as a vessel

1279
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 3: of kindness to so many other people, like she's the

1280
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 3: epitome of paying it forward. I just.

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: So would you say, we are not our circumstances, but

1282
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 1: what we become from out circumstances, because a lot of

1283
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: times people will let their circumstances define who they are.

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01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 3: Man, I came from this situation.

1285
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,839
Speaker 1: This is how I am. I grew up like this,

1286
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: This is how I am. What did you become? Who

1287
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: are you? From those circumstances.

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01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 3: I didn't have the best father, but I became a

1289
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 3: great father. You didn't let those circumstances define you. No,

1290
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 3: I didn't have the best examples of love, but I

1291
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 3: still seek the opportunity to create that construct for my son,

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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 3: and I will, you know, I just think that there

1293
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 3: has to be an order to some of it because

1294
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 3: of what I don't necessarily know, And I think a

1295
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 3: lot of men deal with this and don't necessarily admit

1296
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 3: it or know how to explain it to women. But

1297
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 3: finding yourself and being comfortable with where you are career

1298
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 3: wise and fiscally, a lot of that is a solo

1299
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 3: journey for men. Oh, you want to help me, you

1300
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 3: want to pour into me, you want to be my

1301
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 3: help meet, you want to be equally yoked. Okay, But

1302
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 3: there's still part of this for me that I have

1303
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 3: to go at alan first, and then you can come

1304
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 3: and merge in and pour into me and help, because

1305
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 3: if you don't know whether or not you can do

1306
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 3: this yourself, then there's a degree of wondering who you

1307
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: are and what you are.

1308
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: The book The Man of Many Fathers comes out October

1309
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: twenty eighth. What are the top three lessons you hope

1310
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: me and learned from this book.

1311
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 3: I hope that men learn from my book that it

1312
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 3: is okay, okay if you didn't get everything from your dad.

1313
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 3: That was the first thing that I really learned was that,

1314
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: oh I didn't get it all from him, but I

1315
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: got everything I needed. When we talk about values, so

1316
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 3: if it could be something as silly as don't snitch,

1317
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 3: but it could also be something as random as you

1318
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 3: know comedians that I know that have passed on who

1319
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 3: gave me the game. On the importance of picking someone

1320
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 3: in terms of a mate that's supportive of you, I

1321
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 3: think that's a mistake that a lot of people make.

1322
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 3: You know in this game.

1323
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: I hear Mary Harmon say that the most important thing

1324
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: you ever just the most important to say, he'll ever

1325
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: make is who you choose to marry.

1326
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 3: It's very true. I agree with that, and I mean

1327
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 3: as an unmarried man, I couldn't agree with that anymore.

1328
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 3: I think that also the degree of knowing and understanding

1329
01:21:54,560 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 3: that that you're okay in spite of how you came up.

1330
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that it's very easy as a man

1331
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 3: to just write off to who what wins of a

1332
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 3: lot of shit and just go, oh, well, my daddy

1333
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 3: didn't do this, so I ain't shit. No, you got

1334
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 3: worth man, You matter and being present for those kids

1335
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 3: that's important. It's paramount. And I think that regardless of

1336
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 3: when your father passed I think we're all men of

1337
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 3: many fathers. We're all poured into by innumerable people in

1338
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 3: our lives. And I think if you stopped and took

1339
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 3: stop of any of those people, you would be blown

1340
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 3: away at how many lessons you might have missed. That.

1341
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 3: It's dope to be able to sit back and just

1342
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 3: think about now and reinforce and be able to pass

1343
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 3: it on to your kids. I just I look at

1344
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 3: my son every day, man, and I'm just grateful. I'm

1345
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,839
Speaker 3: grateful that, like I wouldn't have achieved half I've achieved

1346
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 3: in the last ten years if not for his presence.

1347
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: There's a drive in.

1348
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: That two weeks after your dad passed, he was like

1349
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: you heard from him like that.

1350
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 3: That showed up as a ghost for two weeks straight.

1351
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,879
Speaker 3: And it's weird because number one, I believe in ghosts.

1352
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 3: Do all that that. Yes, I don't put Wigi boards,

1353
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 3: I don't put hunted houses. It's all real.

1354
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 4: That was a big thing. When I was in college.

1355
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 3: They wanted to play the boy because the bone thugs

1356
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 3: in harmony Wuigi are you and.

1357
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 4: You remember that eight ball that they used.

1358
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 3: The eight ball, No, sir, don't touch it. Do not

1359
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 3: touch it. Not my thing like that stuff.

1360
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: Man.

1361
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 3: It's weird because, like I heard by Pop's ghosts, but

1362
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 3: all I heard him doing was getting ready for work.

1363
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 4: YEA, through a normal routine.

1364
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 3: I'm right, you still got a job. You're dead.

1365
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 4: I thought you. I thought you was coming back to

1366
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 4: tell me you have some money.

1367
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 3: Beer Aware he came back because that's how bad the

1368
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 3: economy is. You gotta stay at it.

1369
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: Trevor Nord said, your book is honest, raw, and an

1370
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: absolute treat to read.

1371
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 4: What was it like working with Trevor?

1372
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 3: It was a blessing. I've never met a black man

1373
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 3: with a better understanding of what to do with his

1374
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 3: anger than knowing. Wow, very upset about a lot of

1375
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 3: the same things. But I think that's part of why

1376
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 3: he and I worked so well together. I'm the angry

1377
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 3: motherfucker from Alabama. I don't have patience or a temperate response.

1378
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 3: But Tresford was very measured and very kind. Still very

1379
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 3: on the nose, but he knew how to not lead

1380
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 3: with anger, which gave more understanding to the issues. And

1381
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 3: I think it helped more people look at it and

1382
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 3: see and oh, well, what does Trevor have to say?

1383
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 3: I never possessed that, and I think sometimes it is

1384
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 3: time to gill. It is a time to be angry.

1385
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 3: And I think in that regard, he and I complimented

1386
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 3: one another, but Trevor had the ability to take anger

1387
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 3: and quantified into feelings and make people feel seen and

1388
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 3: then through those feelings try to make sense of what

1389
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 3: was happening. Roy, thanks for stopping by Club Shay Shake.

1390
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 4: Guys. Make sure you go out and check guests book.

1391
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: His book Out Demand of Many Fathers, Life Lessons, disguised

1392
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: as a memoir.

1393
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 3: Man brother, Thank you, Ah, think about it.

1394
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 4: Lloyd would Jr.

1395
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 2: All my life, grinding all my light, sacrifice, hustle, paed pricing,

1396
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 2: want slice, got the bron All my life. I'd be

1397
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 2: grinding all my life, All my life, grinning all my light, sacrifice, hustle,

1398
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: paed the price one slice, doctor Bron all my life.

1399
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 2: I'd be grinding all my life