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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three Kansas City Chiefs fans

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Speaker 1: their sons. Let's just say mysterious deaths, but in the

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. That's right. Clayton mcgheey, Ricky Johnson, and

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Speaker 1: They were old young men. Mcgheiney thirty seven, Johnson thirty eight,

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Speaker 1: Willis's home. Two days earlier. The four had met up

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Speaker 1: Jordan Willis, who had the party Willis could not be

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Speaker 1: Platte County Prosecutor's office says that the investigation into the

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Speaker 1: three men's deaths is still on going, while the families

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Speaker 2: On January eighth, friends and family of David Harrington, Ricky Johnson,

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Speaker 2: to watch the game. But now none of the guys,

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Speaker 1: Okay, right there, January eight, it's cold. They are partying

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Speaker 1: is joining us from dailymail dot com. Jen, That's where

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Speaker 1: I first found out about this, and it really doesn't

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Speaker 1: hit me in the face. This guy, Jordan Willis, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's no idiot? Is that he a scientist? He's a

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Speaker 1: young guy, big Kansas City Chiefs fan. But he's smart.

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Speaker 1: He's really smart. I don't get how he sleeps for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, very very fishy to say the least.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Willis, as you rightly point out, is an accomplished scientist,

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Speaker 3: done loads of research into HIV and aids lots of

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Speaker 3: living in the home in Kansas City, Missouri. He had

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Speaker 3: for many years, seemingly a completely normal guy. He lived

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Speaker 3: his two beloved pet fills there.

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Speaker 1: How many pets does he have?

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Speaker 3: Is two pit bull mixes. They're called Sadie and daz Wait.

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Speaker 1: Sadie and Daisy don't have to t t for what

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Speaker 3: Well, on this particular night, then see Daisy and Sadie

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Speaker 3: So they weren't actually there, he claimed when all of

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Speaker 1: Okay, James shell Nutt joining me, high profile lawyer and

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Speaker 1: joining us out of Alabama twenty seven years metro major

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Speaker 1: client or priest, parishioner, no such thing. You know, husband wife,

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Speaker 1: The wife can't blab that the husband did it. So

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is, if this is true or not

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Speaker 4: He's got to testify, and you know he could be

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Speaker 1: Now, you know, Chelle Nutt, I never discuss politics because

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Speaker 1: That's wrong, that's illegal. It's not. It is not illegals, fathers, sisters, brothers,

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Speaker 5: On Tuesday, January ninth, nine fifty one pm, Clayton McGhee's

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Speaker 1: Screams Willis's name.

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Speaker 5: She has had no communication with her partner for two

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Speaker 1: Holy moly, So the fiance has been trying to reach

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Speaker 1: us Dailymail dot com. Did she just call her fiance

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Speaker 3: All of the abuffs. She tried to reach Clayton. She

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Speaker 1: Including calling all the friends, all four of them, including

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Speaker 2: so thirty eight year old Jordan Willis invites a couple

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Speaker 5: After the game, Jordan Willis waves the guys off and

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Speaker 1: from Daily Mail. He leaves the doors unlocked, but when

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Speaker 3: Very very strange, And I want to go back to

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Speaker 3: This has changed quite a few times since this story

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace according to those clothes. To

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Speaker 1: Jordan Willis, there have been quote no news or developments

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Speaker 1: that it is quote very frustrating and we quote don't

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Speaker 7: And that comes from you know, once you get into

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Speaker 1: He refused to answer, but so far nothing about anything.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say, Robertessen, No, nothing like that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, no Banaderyl, no mention of anything. He did

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Speaker 3: Nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: Is anyone remembering this so called cough syrup killer who

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to hour cut seventeen. This is Matthew

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Speaker 1: Phelps desperately calling nine one one that me exactly what happened?

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Speaker 8: I think that film?

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Speaker 8: What happened? I adream? And then I spent on the license.

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Speaker 8: She stood on the floor.

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Speaker 8: I'm kind of blood all over me and there's a

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Speaker 1: You think you did it? Hell? Yeah, you did it? Listen?

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Speaker 8: What makes you think she's did? If you wait? She thought, breathed, Okay,

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Speaker 8: I'm too scared to get too close to her. Okay,

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Speaker 8: I'm here with you. I'm so scared.

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Speaker 1: I'm scared. Yes, Sidney, you better roll your eyes. She

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Speaker 8: I don't know, I took more medicine than I should have.

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Speaker 1: What made iticin DP?

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Speaker 8: That's that's a course. Eating cost some cold, of course cold,

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Speaker 1: Okay, reptising you're not guilty, Corse and HP, you're on

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Speaker 1: justin Borman, I ain't gone to you yet, wild guess

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Speaker 8: I'm not looking it up.

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing twenty four?

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Speaker 1: Okay, good guess, because I was thinking nineteen. Doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 6: I have not?

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Speaker 1: How many times? Just throw it out there, Dtor Crown's

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Speaker 1: good guess one hundred and twenty three? Oh, one hundred

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Speaker 9: Matthew Phelps is a twenty nine year old Bible College

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Speaker 1: So doctor Jory Crawls and I'm so glad that you

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Speaker 1: And as Jenn Smith is telling us, there's been no

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Speaker 10: Jordan Willis is an HIV researcher and protein scientist who

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Speaker 10: Willis is an accomplished scientist whose research into COVID and

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Speaker 10: HIV has been praised in the medical world. In interviews,

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Speaker 1: Okay, joining me is a renowned medical examiner, the chief

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Speaker 1: medical examiner in Ter County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University

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Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's Doctor Crown say thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What is a protein scientist?

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Speaker 11: A protein scientist they are the people that work with

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Speaker 1: Okay, could you just stop right there. I learned a

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Speaker 11: What protein scientists is basically someone who is looking at

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Speaker 11: They're often associated with developing immunizations, in figuring out how

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Speaker 1: He sounds brilliant, right to figure out to research and

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Speaker 1: I mean, am I getting that right? Jen Smith?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly. So that was a huge amoument of his research.

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Speaker 3: He celebrated in the field. Give them plenty of the interviews,

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Speaker 1: Ok okay, so can we get back to the three

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Speaker 2: Seeing a body on the back porch, still screaming Jordan

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Speaker 2: Willis's name. Clayton Mcguinnea's fiance calls police. Officers arrived to

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Speaker 2: two bodies were then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis

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Speaker 1: What happened to the three Kansas City chiefs fans found

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Speaker 1: One of the victim's girlfriends have to find One of

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Speaker 1: with prosecutors, what do we know about facts that could

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Speaker 1: support charges? Justin boardman joining me Former Detective West Valley

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Speaker 1: CDPD Special Victims Unit now with boardman training and consulting. Yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: justin you're joining us out of Kansas. Was there what

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Speaker 1: was there any snow on that day that would have

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Speaker 6: You know there was some snow.

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Speaker 4: The reports say that there was like an inch or two,

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Speaker 1: Will, okay, let me absorb what you just said, because

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Speaker 1: if there were three feet of snow and there was

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Speaker 1: Jordan Willis didn't see it. Did you say a skiff?

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Speaker 6: A what a skiff?

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Speaker 4: A skiff? So an interstue of snow so not enough

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Speaker 1: It much less one on the back porch, especially one on.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Jen Smith is justin Borman, correct, he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean it was pretty I think the temperature

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Speaker 1: I think, why would they just be out there for

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Speaker 3: No, we don't, And obviously this is going to really

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's really explaining anything for me,

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Speaker 1: That would not induce them to stay out in freezing

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Speaker 9: Listen On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did

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Speaker 1: Let me understand something, Jen Smith joining us from dailymail

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Speaker 1: dot com, who has been breaking the news on this story.

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Speaker 1: So when the cops get there, he Saunders in in

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Speaker 1: his boxer shorts holding a glass of wine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's holding an empty wine glass. Now, the victims

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Speaker 3: family took this to mean he was still drinking or

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Speaker 3: drinking that morning. He claims it was left over empty

443
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Speaker 3: glass from the night before that he was using for water.

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Speaker 3: But he is, you know by the looks of things

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Speaker 3: that just got out of bed in his box are shorts.

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Speaker 3: When the police arrives, he lets them in and they

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Speaker 3: find the three other bodies.

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Speaker 1: And that's January ninth, correct, that's January ninth, Yes, and

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Speaker 1: the party was January seventh.

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Speaker 3: Party begins at nine pm on January seventh. We know

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Speaker 3: that Willis says that the others left or he went

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Speaker 3: to bed at around two am, So we have all

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Speaker 3: day on of course, the remainder of the night January

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Speaker 3: seventh and eighth, all day January eighth, the night of

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Speaker 3: January eighth, and then the final discovery is on January

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Speaker 3: ninethe in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Man, that'd be all over this looking for receipts, I

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Speaker 1: mean looking for a digital record. What about a James

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Speaker 1: shell Nutt. You are a former cop, before you turn

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Speaker 1: defense attorney, I'm going to be all up in his text?

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Speaker 1: Did he order in? Did he do an instacart? Did

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Speaker 1: he leave? Did he leave the home? He didn't see

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Speaker 1: his friend's cars still part there. I'm just having a

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Speaker 1: hard time believing this.

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Speaker 4: I agree one hundred percent. Did he communicate with anybody

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Speaker 4: at all? Number two? You know, when you think about

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Speaker 4: phones nowadays and technology nowadays, a lot of times you

468
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Speaker 4: can tell us someone actually reads your text. So even

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Speaker 4: if he didn't proactively contact anyone, is there any indication

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Speaker 4: that he read other people's messages they received, whether it's

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Speaker 4: on Facebook, whether it's on his phone or some other methods.

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Speaker 1: You're right, You're absolutely right about those messages. I was thinking,

473
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Speaker 1: did he go out for pizza, Did he leave the house?

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Speaker 1: Did he go to an ATM? But we know more now.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Rachel Benia and Dave Mackett Crime Online.

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Speaker 10: As news starts to spread of the three friends freezing

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Speaker 10: to death in the backyard while their friend is asleep inside,

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Speaker 10: the families of the victims begin to speak out and

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Speaker 10: ask quest The biggest question for Jordan Willis is what

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Speaker 10: happened next?

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Speaker 5: Was?

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Speaker 10: Why didn't you answer calls, text messages and social media

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Speaker 10: messages from family and friends of the three men.

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Speaker 9: The Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the next

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Speaker 9: two days in his home, not thinking anything of the

486
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Speaker 9: fact that his friend's cars were still outside, and only

487
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Speaker 9: learned they died when the fiance of one of the

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Speaker 9: men broke into the house on January ninth in the

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Speaker 9: hopes of finding him.

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Speaker 1: The changing stories or a problem and Jenn Smith Daily

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Speaker 1: Mail do we know, as shall not pointed out whether

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Speaker 1: he was reading those texts and those online messages.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is going to be huge once

494
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Speaker 3: it's corporately proved. He says that he did not see him.

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Speaker 3: We don't know yet. The messages predominantly were on Facebook, Messenger,

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Speaker 3: which you can tell whether or not someone has read

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Speaker 3: your message. So the families haven't indicated specifically whether or

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Speaker 3: not they got that you know, read feat but you could,

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Speaker 3: for the sake of argument, see that the relatives of

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Speaker 3: you know, your dead friend we're trying to contact you

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Speaker 3: is just not simply not open the message. We don't

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Speaker 3: know is the answer to your question acy whether or

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Speaker 3: not he opened the messages. All we know is he

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Speaker 3: says he didn't see them and only saw them after

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Speaker 3: the police came to his film on January night and

506
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Speaker 3: the bodies were fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious as to what his reaction was when he

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Speaker 1: realized all three of his friends are dead.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's been he himself actually has not spoken to

510
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Speaker 3: the media. He has actually moved out of this house now.

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Speaker 3: He's deleted all of his social media accounts. So all

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Speaker 3: of the communication about how he's feeling, what he's thinking,

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Speaker 3: is coming through this attorney, And the attorney tells me

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Speaker 3: that he is, you know, devastated, anxiously awaiting more information

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Speaker 3: from the police about how his friends died, insistence that

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Speaker 3: he wanted no harm to come to them, that they

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Speaker 3: had the plans to go to the next chief game.

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Speaker 3: But he has what else, is yet to make any

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Speaker 3: kind of public statements or give any interviews about this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think all of us have so many

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Speaker 3: un answered questions that if he just answers them with

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Speaker 3: the truth, it would explain a lot. But he hasn't

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Speaker 3: said anything. He's relying on his attorney to do.

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Speaker 1: The talking for m I find that curious as well. Guys,

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Speaker 1: it's not the first time someone claims they slept through

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Speaker 1: a death. Take a listen to our cut sixty from

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Speaker 1: crime Online.

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Speaker 9: Forty two year old Barbara Woods is at home and

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Speaker 9: bet asleep with her husband when her son in law,

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Speaker 9: Kenneth Parks, sneaks into the bedroom, stabs and chokes her husband,

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Speaker 9: then turns his rage on her, using a tire iron

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Speaker 9: to beat her about the head and a knife to

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Speaker 9: stab her four times, causing her death. Parks is charged

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Speaker 9: with the murder, and at trial, his attorney claims that

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Speaker 9: on the night of the killing, Kenneth Parks was plunged

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Speaker 9: into a deep, deep sleep. His next memory is seeing

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Speaker 9: his mother in law's face. The attorney said he then

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Speaker 9: regained consciousness and fled the house and drove to a

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Speaker 9: nearby police station. According to his attorney, the twenty four

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Speaker 9: year old Kenneth Parks was sleepwalking as he drove the

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Speaker 9: fourteen miles to his mother in law's house and killed

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Speaker 9: her in bed, wounding his father in law. The jury

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Speaker 9: agreed and Parks was acquitted.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Barbara Woods at home asleep with her husband.

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Speaker 1: Her son in law drives fourteen miles to their home,

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Speaker 1: he says, in his sleep, murders the mother in law

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Speaker 1: and father, beating them with a tire iron, killing the

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Speaker 1: mother in law, wounding the father in law, and he

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Speaker 1: was acquitted. That's right, Kenneth Parks. I'm having a hard

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Speaker 1: time letting that so ken. But there's more. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut twenty one.

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Speaker 9: Living in a restory home in Buffalo, New York, while

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Speaker 9: attending the University of Buffalo, Elena's Abel and her roommates

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Speaker 9: go to a party at the Sigma Kay fraternity not

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Speaker 9: far from their house. One of the roommates headed home

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Speaker 9: earlier than the rest and by the time Zabel made

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Speaker 9: it back to the house, the door was locked and

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Speaker 9: she didn't have a key. Zabel climbs through a bathroom

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Speaker 9: window and notices a weird smell calling out for her roommate.

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Speaker 9: She doesn't get a reply, but here's heavy breathing and

561
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Speaker 9: thinks her roommate is asleep, so she goes to betterself.

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Speaker 9: Her roommate isn't sleeping at that very moment, she's being

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Speaker 9: brutally attacked. Hours later, Zabel awakes and finds her roommate

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Speaker 9: clinging to life. Nine one one is called and the

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Speaker 9: roommate is rushed at the hospital, where she spends months

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Speaker 9: in a coma and a recovery that was very long.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Now, according to sources, the

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Speaker 1: investigation into the deaths of the three Kansas City chiefs

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Speaker 1: is still on going now. Some people claim that Jordan

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Speaker 1: Willis was cleared months ago of any wrongdoing, but others

571
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Speaker 1: claim the investigation is ongoing in prosecution camps. It's believed

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Speaker 1: Willis is responsible and will likely be arrested. But that

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Speaker 1: has not happened. Three friends dead in the backyard, You

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Speaker 1: don't answer text messages, phone calls for now three days,

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Speaker 1: Jen seven, eight, and nine. When police get there on

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Speaker 1: the ninth. But the changing of the stories that shouldn't

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Speaker 1: change that what happened should not change. Jen Smith, What

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Speaker 1: is the most disturbing change in the story.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it has to be the fact

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Speaker 3: that initially the story was he left them inside the hoes,

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Speaker 3: honey out downstairs, and then the second iteration of the

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Speaker 3: story is no, no, no, be least bade them goodbye,

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Speaker 3: and then at some stage they must have come back.

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Speaker 3: Changing stories could be down to a really ill equipped

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Speaker 3: or this incompetent attorney. Right, all we've heard on Jordan

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Speaker 3: Willis's behalf is coming from his attorney. Now, if Jordan

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Speaker 3: Willis has his story straight and he's letting his lawyers

588
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Speaker 3: do all the talking and the lawyer is changing the story,

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Speaker 3: it's in his best interest to get out there and

590
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Speaker 3: set the record straight. But if it is the case

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Speaker 3: that he's been changing his story to his lawyer, who

592
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Speaker 3: has been, you know, contemporaneously changing it to the press,

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Speaker 3: that's going to be hugely problematic for him down the lane.

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Speaker 3: If there's a criminal.

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Speaker 1: Case, guys, he says he slipt through the whole thing

596
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Speaker 1: and had no idea what was going on. But others disagree.

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Speaker 1: Many others disagree. Take a listen to our fourteen with

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Speaker 1: the cole parton.

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Speaker 2: John Pisserno and attorney representing Willis, said his client had

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Speaker 2: no idea his friends were dead until police knocked on

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Speaker 2: his door. The New York Post shared a Facebook host

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Speaker 2: from Kaylie Lettier, who wrote, my husband banged on his

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Speaker 2: door for twenty minutes. Latier continued, my friend banged on

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Speaker 2: his door and then busted a window and yelled and

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Speaker 2: announced her presence while she's inside and steal nothing from him.

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Speaker 2: Then the cops come ten minutes later, and he comes

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Speaker 2: out nonchalant in his boxers with an empty wine glass

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Speaker 2: in hand. Nothing is adding up. Dave Clay and Ricky

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Speaker 2: need and deserve justice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is what I'm trying to figure out, Jen Smith.

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Speaker 1: Do the relatives and friends of the victims believe Jordan Willis?

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely not, under no circumstances. They say that none

613
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Speaker 3: of this adds up. They need more information, and they

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Speaker 3: are devastated at the not only their deaths, but the

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Speaker 3: lack of information from him, someone who had apparently been

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Speaker 3: friends with them since they were at high school, who

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Speaker 3: would know their their families. I'm from the police, you know,

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Speaker 3: from the get go, if we said nothing to see here,

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Speaker 3: no fil play, We're going to carry on our investigation.

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Speaker 3: But we have no reason to believe anyone is in danger,

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Speaker 3: nor do we have any reason to believe Jordan will

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Speaker 3: do anything wrong. Making that kind of statement before you

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Speaker 3: have a cause of death, they may have been a

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Speaker 3: bit hasty there. And the families are you rightfully questioning

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Speaker 3: why they are so comfortable stating that there is no

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Speaker 3: foul play when the investigation isn't complete. We don't even

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Speaker 3: have a cause.

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Speaker 1: Of death yet, Doctritional Craon's chief medical Examiner Terran County

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Speaker 1: fort Worth. If the bodies became frozen, would that affect

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Speaker 1: finding out a CEO D cause death?

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Speaker 11: No, Actually, the cooling or the freezing of the bodies

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Speaker 11: will slow down decomposition and actually prevent decomposition so that

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Speaker 11: it will maintain the body itself, so they it won't

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Speaker 11: alter a cause of death at all. One thing you

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Speaker 11: have to think of with three individuals dying suddenly, there

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Speaker 11: has to be a commonality between all three of them

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Speaker 11: in an environmental factor of the fact that they're all healthy.

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Speaker 11: I just can't think that they wouldn't get themselves out

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Speaker 11: of a cold situation. So, you know, could it be drugs?

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Speaker 11: Could it be something else? And you also have to

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Speaker 11: throw in there.

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Speaker 7: You have a.

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Speaker 11: Research scientist and his three friends are all now dead.

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Speaker 11: It's all very odd.

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Speaker 1: Yes odd. There's definitely smoke, but is there fire? I

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Speaker 1: believe that you can sleep through something, a crime happening

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Speaker 1: in the next room or right above you. What about

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Speaker 1: the roommates of the Idaho students in the Brian Coburger

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Speaker 1: murder case. Take a listen to Dave mac.

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Speaker 9: Dylan Mortenson, and Bethany Funk. We're both home when Brian

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Speaker 9: Coberger allegedly snuck into their home in the early morning

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Speaker 9: hours and stabbed Matty Mogan, Kayleiganzavez, Xanichronodle, and Ethan Shapen

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Speaker 9: to death and their beds. The New York Posts reported

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Speaker 9: the two women were texting each other while the murders

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Speaker 9: were happening, and Dylan Mortenson came face to face with

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Speaker 9: the killer right after the attack and gave a description

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Speaker 9: of the alleged murderer, saying he was wearing black and

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Speaker 9: had bushy eyebrows. This information caused a lot of online attacks,

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Speaker 9: with people wondering why if they were home and awake

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Speaker 9: during the attacks and Mortensen saw the man dressed in black,

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Speaker 9: why did it take hours before police were called.

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Speaker 1: We're waiting to hear answers to that. There have been

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Speaker 1: a lot of suggestions online amongst trolls that the two

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Speaker 1: surviving roommates actually had something to do with the murders.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. I can emphatically state that is not true.

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Speaker 1: These two girls had nothing to do with those four murders.

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Speaker 1: But what about this case? Okay, Doctor Jory crass In, psychologist,

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Speaker 1: former law enforcement, now faculty Saint Leo University, what do

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Speaker 1: you think.

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Speaker 12: Really, there's got to be a commonality something in their deaths,

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Speaker 12: maybe like drugs or something, some kind of a drug

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Speaker 12: that odd. Possibly, but you know, certain types of drugs,

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Speaker 12: you know, like fentanyl you could tell from the bodies. Possibly,

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Speaker 12: But if they're frozen, they're going to be just kind

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Speaker 12: of locked in that state.

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Speaker 1: That we don't have any reason to think these guys

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Speaker 1: were using drugs. Shawn, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: All right? I'm in total agreement that there's a commonality.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you talk about drugs, you know, you

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Speaker 4: also talk tell you know what.

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Speaker 1: I forget the commonality? All right, that's not really telling

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Speaker 1: me anything. Yes, they probably all were killed the same way.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've talked a lot about drugs.

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Speaker 1: I haven't talked a lot about drugs because nobody said

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Speaker 1: they were using drugs.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, we've talked about whether or not something

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Speaker 4: could have been ingested, and the bottom line is that

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Speaker 4: could be drugs, but it could be a poison as well.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, am I the only one that sees the

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Speaker 1: elephant in the room. A man aims he's totally unaware

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Speaker 1: of search efforts for three of his friends. They are

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Speaker 1: there for three days Jan seven, eight and nine. His

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Speaker 1: story is changing. They're dead. Was on the back porch, Hello,

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Speaker 1: you can see it from inside. The other two are

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Speaker 1: out in the garden. And he says he knew nothing.

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Speaker 1: What that doesn't make sense to me, Jenn Smith, could

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Speaker 1: you help me please? I mean, you want me to

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Speaker 1: believe three guys go in the backyard and drop dead.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think that's what happened. And I think

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Speaker 3: what we we're trying to get on here is both

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Speaker 3: could be he could have, you know, lied about not

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Speaker 3: knowing anything, and he could have died of some kind

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Speaker 3: of accidental overdose.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: Different type of recreational drug leads to fencel PhD synthetic drugs.

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Speaker 3: Is there a scenario in which all of the men

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Speaker 3: are taking drugs, perhaps supplied by Yard Willis or someone else,

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Speaker 3: which the three of them end uh dying and Jordan

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Speaker 3: Willis panics and doesn't alert antiviity. Is that a possibility?

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Speaker 3: We don't know. I want to empacicate state that the

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Speaker 3: sleep are not saying that that is what's happened. But

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Speaker 3: he could have concealed the fact that his friend died

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Speaker 3: of an accent of drug overdose without actually murdering them

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Speaker 3: or doing something you know, more violent to them, just

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Speaker 3: for the sake of panic and protecting his.

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Speaker 1: Science career, well showing up when police are standing there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever seen the program Cops, Because

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Speaker 1: there'll be a guy sitting in his easy chair in

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Speaker 1: the den throwing back a beer and cops come running

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Speaker 1: through the house and he just watches him go by,

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Speaker 1: keeps watching TV like that's normal. I mean, this guy

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Speaker 1: strolls in in his underwear with a wine glass. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a good look. One thing that is

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Speaker 1: to his defense is that there was no obvious sign

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Speaker 1: of foul play on the three bodies. They weren't shot,

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Speaker 1: they weren't bludgeoned dead. There was nothing to indicate they

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Speaker 1: had been murdered. So how do you wake up and

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Speaker 1: your three friends cars are parked outside your house, Your

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Speaker 1: phones are full of messages and texts looking for your

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Speaker 1: three friends in they're on your back porch, in your garden,

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Speaker 1: and you don't know how did that happen. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Willis through his lawyer and sints he had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with this. Any claims are all just allegations.

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Speaker 1: There have been no charges as of now. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds in the case of three Kansas City

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Speaker 1: chiefs fans found dead in a friend's backyard. Good Bye friend,

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Speaker 1: Bo