1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: the show, Fellow ridiculous Historians, Let's hear it for the 3 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: TZAR Ridiculous History podcasting super producer mister Max Williams hizzaar bizarre. 4 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: That's no Brown, Ben, you're Ben Ben. B Where did 5 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: the term when when they talk about a something zar, right, Yeah, 6 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: like a border zar or a drug zar or whatever. 7 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: Where does that is that the same word or is 8 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: it a different word entirely? 9 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: It's spelled c z a r when we're talking about 10 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: out the US version. When we're talking about the Russian version, 11 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: Russian royalty, it's zar ts ar yeah, yeah, And. 12 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: They are the same in spirit. It's the idea of 13 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: being like overseeing something. It's just I just wonder what 14 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: the history of that term being used for political posts 15 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: came from. And also it seems like kind of like 16 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: a symbolic position in many ways, Like the idea of 17 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: being a borders are and getting blamed for problems with 18 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: the border almost seems like a little bit cruel, Like 19 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: is it really like what is that person even responsible for? 20 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's usually one yeah, taking ownership and therefore responsibility 21 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: over a specific kind of policy or policy area edimologically 22 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: and yes, Max you know this too. Max hit us 23 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: up on the chat. Uh. Edamologically, it comes from Julius Caesar. 24 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: That's where sar comes from. 25 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: Uh, like calling pizza za. You know. 26 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: There it is. It's funny in the US up until 27 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: this year, actually czar was an informal term. Uh. The 28 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: first person in a US government office with a formal 29 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: title Czar didn't come about until this year. All the 30 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: other times before it was it was like it might 31 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: as well been a corporate buzzword. 32 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: Almost seems sort of ceremonial in so many ways. So 33 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: like so essentially the current administration is formalizing that term. 34 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the current administration is formalizing it. It dates 35 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: back to, uh, I want to say, the days of 36 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: Franklin Roosevelt. Think of it like a governmental nickname, right, Uh. 37 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: It makes sense. Sorry for that aside. It was just 38 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: something I wanted to sort out for my own edification. 39 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: Here we're talking about different kind of zar. Bizarre indeed, we're. 40 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Cizar for that one. But no valuable information And it's 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: something that it's one of those questions that I think 42 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: a lot of us in the US are kind of 43 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: afraid to ask. And the last point I want to 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: make there is whatever I have heard the term czar 45 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: applied in the nomenclature of US government. I always think, oh, 46 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: you mean. 47 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: Scapegoat, You mean this guy I was getting it, Yes, yes. 48 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: Trouble yes, as as you said, well, speaking of getting 49 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: in trouble, this is part two of the time that 50 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: Japan absolutely walloped or as our pal doctor Ze says, rinsed. 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: The left as yes. 52 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Previously on Ridiculous History, we explored what led up 53 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: to the Russo Japanese War and how Japan outmaneuvered Russia 54 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: as both empires raced to control the region known as Manchuria, 55 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: and we we ended part one on a upnoe for 56 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: Japan and a very down note for Russia. 57 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: That's right, and that conflict set the stage for the 58 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: aforementioned rinsing. 59 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: We know that a lot of the battle hinged on 60 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: an area called Port Arthur. At the time when we 61 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: left you with hopefully still a dope beat to step two, 62 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the Japanese Empire had encircled Port Arthur via land and 63 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: via sea. And now we return to our tail with 64 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: Port Arthur well in hand, the Japanese Empire can now 65 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: put even more energy toward conquering Manchuria. However, no matter 66 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: where you're fighting, no matter what your theater of conflict is, 67 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: in this wide world, you will all always have a 68 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: second potential enemy on the field, and that enemy is 69 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: the weather. The winter of nineteen oh five absolutely sucks 70 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: for everyone. 71 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: Man, the weather is the greatest villain of history in 72 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: many ways, We've got we've done so many stories about 73 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: the weather being an absolute pill and changing the course 74 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: of history. 75 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's like how the real villain of 76 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: adult life is scheduling, and everybody's fighting against that. So 77 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: the weather is incredibly harsh in winter of nineteen oh five, 78 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: which means, without any official agreement, both the Russian and 79 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: the Japanese sides of this conflict decide not to directly 80 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: fight each other. They're just going to try to stay 81 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: alive through winter. And then well, it's it's exactly like 82 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: calling a long time out in a. 83 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: Sports exactly that thing you do with the t I'm 84 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: doing it right, yes, yeah, podcast listeners. 85 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: And doing it well. And in Russian held territory there's 86 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: this massive repression of all the native people living in 87 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: uh in this area of Mantrea that they control, right, 88 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: that the Russians still control. So the Manchu population, the 89 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Chinese population is looking around. They're saying, man, these Russian 90 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: guys are super harshing my vibe. I do not like 91 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: these people. They're violent, they're brutal. Maybe the Japanese Empire 92 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: isn't that bad, you know. So locals would go to 93 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: Japanese intelligence forces and they would say, Okay, we don't 94 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: agree with everything Japanese Empire, but we do agree on this. 95 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: The Russians are not cool. So here is where they're 96 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: going to be positioned. Here's some information about their troop movements. 97 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: Help us out. 98 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: And there is this pervasive, pretty nasty strain of anti 99 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: East Asian racism sentiment, whatever you want to call it. 100 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: It was gross called collectively referred to as the Yellow Peril, 101 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: which is awful, and gave onlookers collectively in the greater 102 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: world something to sort of support Russia over since they 103 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: were attempting to defeat what was seen as a part 104 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 2: of this you know, maligned community. Right. 105 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that was very common in European circles 106 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: or Western circles at the time, it was a specific 107 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: type of weaponized racism, and all racism can be weaponized, right, 108 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: And they said, the existence of any Asiatic community, any 109 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: East Asian nation, it fundamentally is an existential threat to 110 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: the West. They want to destroy us. Therefore, whatever we 111 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: do to them is not a war crime, it's not 112 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: an act of horror. It is a preemptive protective measure 113 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: for us, the whites of the West. And this is 114 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm laughing because this is very dark stuff. This allowed 115 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: Russian soldiers, the psychological parkour, the rationalization, to commit so 116 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: many atrocities. Imagine a bad thing that a soldier could 117 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: do to a civilian, and Kassack Cossack cavalry divisions were 118 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: doing this. They would just rock up into a sleepy 119 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: Manchu village and they would kill as many people as 120 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: they can and burn as many buildings as they could reach. 121 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: So of course the local populations thought the Japanese were better. 122 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: Well, if I'm not mistaken, just in general, historically speaking, 123 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: the Cossacks are remembered kind of for their war criminess, 124 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: for their viciousness in the field of battle, right, yes, yeah. 125 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: And we don't have to get too into the weeds 126 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: on the different back and forth conflicts that Russian and 127 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: Japanese forces had, But we can tell you they began 128 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: when the weather lifted up, so around February of nineteen 129 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: oh five, heavy casualties on both sides. We're talking tens 130 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: of thousands, almost one hundred thousand people, and ultimately the 131 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: Japanese Empire is unable to consummate its conquest or to 132 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: fully complete the control of Manchuri. So they launch in 133 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: July an invasion of a place called Sakkalin Island, and 134 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: this is a victory for them. This is the end 135 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: of land operations during the war. The Russian army and 136 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: navy lost every significant battle, but the Japanese still had 137 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: to wait for an official decision on Russia's end. Was 138 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: from the Tzar, Yeah, from the Tsar Tsar Sar. Was 139 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: he going to surrender? What was Niki going to do? 140 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: We have to remember all this time, Niki has a well, 141 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: I's call him Nikki. Nikki has a Nikki two Nikki 142 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: two uh electric boogaloo, Russian boogaloo. 143 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: He has. 144 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: He has a h He still has that fleet right 145 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: that got cut off from the Suez Canal to go 146 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: around the Cape of Good Hope, fighting to get every 147 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: piece of coal they can. They're still sailing to the 148 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: Far East. They get there in May of nineteen o 149 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: five to reinforce Nikki's armies. Now at this point you 150 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: might say, reasonably, well, what about the Great trans Siberian Railway? 151 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: Why couldn't they just what it? 152 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: Then? What about it old? 153 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: Why couldn't they just ship soldiers by rail? Unfortunately there 154 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: were some hard limitations on how that railway could operate 155 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: at the time. Still, eventually that second fleet gets there, 156 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: the railway brings what it can. So it came to 157 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: pass that by spring of nineteen oh five, Imperial Russian 158 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: forces had the numbers, They had the numerical advantage over 159 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: Japanese forces in Manchuria. 160 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: But then. 161 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: There was the nineteen oh five revolution. How loyal was 162 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: the Russian army and how many members of the Russian 163 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: army were going? Man, is Niki cool? I don't know 164 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: if he's cool? Why do you send us all the 165 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: way out here to fight for a cause that doesn't 166 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: really affect us? You know what I mean? War? What 167 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: is it good for other than and electric bogl uh 168 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: So this descent is spreading through the Russian Army, and 169 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: Niki is waiting to see how the dice roll out. 170 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: When his second fleet tangles with the Japanese Navy. This 171 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: brings us to the Battle of Sushima. And I'm gonna 172 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: be honest. For a lot of us in the West, folks, 173 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: please don't judge us too harshly. A lot of us 174 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: only know about Tsushima as a as a place, as 175 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: a concept because of the ex the video game Ghost 176 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: of Sushima. 177 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like the Wondering Samurai game, right. 178 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's an awesome game if you like games, Yeah, 179 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: it's wonderful. It's one you can replay. The Battle of 180 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: Sushima is a very different thing, and it shows us. 181 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: As we get into it, we'll see that there's a 182 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: lot of strategy at play. We mentioned Admiral Togo in 183 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: part one. He is aware that this Baltic fleet is 184 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: coming because, as you so beautifully put it earlier, Nol, 185 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: the clock is ticking for that Baltic fleet, but the 186 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: clock's also ticking for Admiral Togo. 187 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 2: That's right. And Ben, I gotta admit here, completely come clean. 188 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: I didn't know that the Maru as a suffix existed 189 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: historically outside of the Star Trek universe. We've got a 190 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 2: couple of converted cruisers that were dispatched by Togo called 191 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 2: the Hong Kong Maru and the Nipon Mahru. And if 192 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, Nipon just means Japan, right mm hmmm. 193 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you're correct. 194 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: And what does Maru mean in this concept? What's the 195 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: one for the Star Trek one that represents a conundrum. 196 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: Kobyashi Maru the unsolvable problem? 197 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: And is that a ship in Star Trek. 198 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: I have to defer to our friend Max there. I 199 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: just know what to give us the beg. 200 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: On that one, Max, the Kobe Mau. 201 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: I do not believe it is a ship or maybe 202 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: you know. I actually I don't, not that I can't 203 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: think of one by the name of that. But that 204 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: appears in Star Trek The Wrath of Khan, which is 205 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: the second movie. Is they're one of the most famous ones, 206 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: but uh, it is actually very central to the plots. 207 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: At the beginning of the movie. It's actually Christially who's 208 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: in a training set like training trying to do the thing. 209 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: The joke is there's only been one person who's ever. 210 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: Passed that test. 211 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: The Kobeesh Maru. It was Kirk and he cheated. 212 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: And that's Captain James T. 213 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: Kirk and Admiral James D. 214 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: Kirk actually and. 215 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: By that point, yes, but he's best known as Captain 216 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: in the original Star Trek series. 217 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, it says it's a spacecraft. It says 218 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: here it is a fictional spacecraft in the Star Trek continuity. 219 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: So in the exercise, the Kobyashi Maru is a civilian 220 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: ship that is marooned on the wrong side of the 221 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: neutral zone with the Klingons. So, and they're being attacked 222 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: by the Klingons. So you either have to go into space, 223 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: go into the Klingon space and rescue the Kobyash Maru 224 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 3: staring your own ship, or abandon them. So the lose 225 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: louse situation. 226 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: Right, an unwinnable scenario. And let's get that instrumental max 227 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: with the facts on that one. 228 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: Oh we must. And let's also just say I think 229 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: we answered my question here. It would seem that that 230 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: is a reference to the way the Japanese named their 231 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: war vessels. 232 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Maru means circle essentially, okay uh, And this is 233 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: so we have we've solved that when folks, we know 234 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: that Togo is figure, it's important to remember it, right. 235 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: He's aware of this ticking clock as well. He needs 236 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: to figure out where this Baltic fleet is at and 237 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: when they will arrive in the THEATA, which we cannot 238 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: pronounce any other way than THEATA. And so uh, he 239 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: sends he's got all these intel operations, all this spooky 240 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: stuff going on as far as he can reach. And 241 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: he also dispatches two cruisers as you mentioned, uh, and 242 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: they get all the way out to I want to say, 243 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean, and there's another one that gets to 244 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: the Philippines. And then he sends even more cruisers patrolling 245 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: areas around Hong Kong, Indonesia, and Singapore from February to 246 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: April of five. And this is all to sort of 247 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: build you know, the way we could say it. And 248 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Alex Tijuana Williams would agree with me. Here, if you've 249 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: ever been camping and you want to set up some 250 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: kind of security perimeter, you guys, remember the thing where 251 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: you take like cans and string and sort of tie 252 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: them around trees that encircle your campsite. Have you ever 253 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: heard of that? 254 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: No? 255 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 2: Is this a way of defending yourself against like bears 256 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: or wildlife. 257 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: It lets you know when something is coming because the 258 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: cans will make a noise. 259 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course, of course makes a 260 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: jingle jangle. Yeah. 261 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: So he's sort of doing a maritime version of that 262 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: on a much more expensive and dangerous scale. And one 263 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: of the patrol ships that were converted for the job, 264 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: A lot of these were merchant ships in peacetime. One 265 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: of the patrol ships south of the Korean Strait cites 266 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: the enemy on May twenty seventh, early in the morning 267 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: the wee hours. But they still have no information about 268 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: what the Baltic fleet is planning to do, where they're 269 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: going to go. And Togo is incredibly confused about this 270 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: because bad information is still better than no information. 271 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 272 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: And the Admiralty in Tokyo, the control ultimate controlling force 273 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: of the navy. They get a telegram that is supposedly 274 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: from Togo. But here's the thing, Admiral Togo never sent it. 275 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: And the telegram, yeah, a little bit of conspiracy's happening here. 276 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: Bad. 277 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, well, as as you and I know, 278 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: the telegram says to leadership, the fleet is not going 279 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: to move unless the enemy is cited within a specific time, 280 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: and Tokyo said, okay, this means that our guy, our boy, 281 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: Togo is going to move to the north, and he's 282 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: going to wait for the enemy to come through the 283 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: northern strait and then smack him. And they reply back 284 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: and they say, no, don't move north, just stay at Masampo, 285 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: which is your base for the battle. We all think 286 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: it's going to take place in Tsushima. I don't know. 287 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of later historians and analysts 288 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: are pretty sure that that was a misstep. 289 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: But who sent the telegram? That's the thing is. 290 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: It was it someone working for him and everybody was 291 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: just nervous and in the fog of war and trying 292 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: to move quickly. Was it an act a very clever 293 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: act of espionage. Ah, The latter is more interesting, but 294 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: the former is more plausible. Maybe it's true true. 295 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: Togo, however, remained relatively calm in the face of this 296 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: unfortunate move. When he got news that the enemy had 297 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: been sighted, he and his fleet sailed out from Masampo 298 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: toward O Kinoshima, which was east of Sushima. This was 299 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: meant to be the likely sight of a naval battle. Yeah. 300 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Togo decided it's time to it's time to 301 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: rally the troops, and he said, the fate of the 302 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: empire depends on the issue of this battle. Let every 303 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: man do his utmost. The Russians are coming, essentially, and 304 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: the Russian fleet is approaching Sushima. And as they're approaching, 305 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: Togo changes course and he looks like he's going to 306 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: he looks like he's trying to pass the Russians by. 307 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, he makes a sharp turn 308 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: and his number one and number two striking forces follow 309 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: his main ship. This is now known as the Togo Turn, 310 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: and it is famous in military history. 311 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not really a term that is meant 312 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: to be taken positively, if I'm not mistaken. This was 313 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: considered a bit of a brash, borderline dumb maneuver, right, Yeah. 314 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: At first it was Yeah, now it's one of those 315 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: things that's considered like a legendary chess move. It looked 316 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: so dumb at first, and then people realized what Togo 317 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: was actually planning. It allowed him to have his full 318 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: the position of his striking forces at full broadside firing position, 319 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: and it put his fleet in front of the Baltic fleet. 320 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: This is something that the Japanese Navy would later study 321 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: in depth. Again, we'll skip over the firing of this 322 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: but ridiculous historians. We have to realize that this is 323 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: such a power in maritime history that historians are still 324 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: studying the minute that someone fired on someone else. 325 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking of historians, there is an incredibly in 326 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: depth I guess you could call it like an academic 327 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: paper from Naval Historical Society of Australia, specifically about the 328 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: Battle of Tushima of nineteen oh five by Kubata k 329 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 2: which you can find in Navyhistory dot AU. And speaking 330 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: of down to the minute, this article uses like military 331 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: time down to the minute to talk about and analyze 332 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: some of these very tricksy moves by General Admiral Rather Togo. 333 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Yes, so do check that out. Is available for free 334 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: audi line. We are going to just tell you, as 335 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: Noel said, that it is very thorough. It is an 336 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: exhaustive study. It's one of the best of its kind 337 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: about this pivotal moment in maritime war. And the result 338 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: of the Battle of Tsushima was by all measures decisive, 339 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: that's right. 340 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no question as to who the victor 341 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: was here, thirty eight Russian ships were involved in the battle, 342 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: and only a single transport and two battleship destroyers rather 343 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: reached their final positions in where they were headed Vadivostok, 344 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 2: of course, which was that seasonal port. So I'm going 345 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: to keep referring to it as one of the converted 346 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: cruisers that was steam powered managed to kind of limp 347 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: its way back to Kronstadt, and the remaining thirty four 348 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: ships were absolutely obliterated, either sunken or captured by Japanese forces. 349 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: Are they were interned in other ports that weren't neutral 350 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 2: to the conflict. 351 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and this is due to Togo's brilliance as 352 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: a tactician. That one ship that escapes, that converted cruiser 353 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: just you know, Crowdstut is a port in like adjacent 354 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: to Saint Petersburg, So they limped all the way back home, 355 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: and yeah, you can arrest ships they in turned the 356 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: ships they didn't destroy. On the other side, Togo only 357 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: lost three torpedo boats while literally annihilating two entire fleets 358 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: of Russian navy. That's why it's regarded as the greatest 359 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: naval victory in modern history. 360 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: That's right. Doctor Z points out that this incredibly decisive 361 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: victory by Japan and the Battle of Tushima more or 362 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: less ushered in a brand new style, an era really 363 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: of geopolitical maneuvering, and set the stage for a lot 364 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 2: of future conflicts and mediation. 365 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, exactly. The Battle of Tsushima does not automatically 366 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: end the war, but it inspires Japan to push for 367 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: peace negotiations. Right, we're in a good position. We just 368 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: did some bonkers, crazy successful stuff. So while we're at 369 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: an advantageous position, let's negotiate. Let's get that surrender. And 370 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, we have to remember that war is hell, 371 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: and war is also expensive. So the country of Japan 372 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: is exhausted militarily, financially. It swung above its weight class arguably, 373 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: and that high risk led to a high reward. They 374 00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: created in the peace negotiations a permanence to their control 375 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: of Manchuria. And they said, look, Saint Petersburg, let's just 376 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: let's hash this. 377 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 2: Up's hug it out. 378 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: Let's say good Jigi, easy, good gaming, guys. So on 379 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: June first, nineteen oh five, the Japanese representative to the 380 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: United States came to President Teddy Roosevelt and said, hey, 381 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 1: can you come in, will you smooth over this? And 382 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: you know, will you talk to the Russians for us? 383 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: Because they're they're kind of mad at us. 384 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 2: They're a little cranky, those Cossacks. They're fiery tempers, you know. 385 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: And Russia was originally not going to play ball. They 386 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: were not going to go to a negotiation table. But 387 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: thanks to Teddy's intervention, thanks with Roosevelt's support, the Japanese 388 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: did decide they're going to occupy the large island that 389 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, Sakalon, which is the nearest Russian territory, 390 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: and the fighting still continues until August when the last 391 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: Russian garrison there surrenders. At this point, Japan's image has improved. 392 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: This is crazy branding, right, The United States in particulars like, 393 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: look at these guys, you know, look how crazy awesome 394 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: they are. And because the eyes of the world are 395 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: on them, the great Western powers are finally in Japan's 396 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: mind seeing them as a possible great power. They got 397 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: to worry about the optics. 398 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: That's right. They showed some benevolence, didn't there. They were 399 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: kind more or less considering conditions to their captives, right. 400 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they wanted the rest of the world to say, look, 401 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: this is how we treat POW's. We're not necessarily beheading people. 402 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: The wars over, We're not having a big to do 403 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: with parades and victory marches and all this stuff. We're 404 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: playing nice. 405 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 2: And the in Togo even go to see his convalescing 406 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: rival in the hospital. 407 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he sure did, And we have a great 408 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: quote from their conversation. 409 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: Indeed, defeat is an accident to the lot of all 410 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: fighting men, and there is no occasion to be cast 411 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: down by it if we have done our duty. I 412 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: can only express my admiration for the courage with which 413 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: your sailors fought during the recent battle, and my personal 414 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: admiration of yourself, who carried out your heavy task until 415 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: you were seriously wounded. 416 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a very classy thing to say. 417 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: It's magnanimous. Yeah, that's the right word. It's at the 418 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: very least shows empathy, and it is a very human 419 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: way of speaking to one's enemy. 420 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: And he's speaking to the wounded Russian Vice Admiral Zenovi 421 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: rules Hyssvinsky and well done. 422 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: Then I couldn't have even attempted that. 423 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, I did mispronounce it, So this okay, he 424 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: mispronounced it with a plump thank you. So this is 425 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: this is yet more propaganda, even though Togo honestly, from 426 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: what we know about Togo, he probably did mean it sincerely. 427 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: He probably was saying this from a place of great 428 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: regard and respect, and he meant it to be private. 429 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: It sounds like he really meant it to be private. 430 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: You know, shake of the hand, I acknowledge you as 431 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: an equal, and you know, things could have turned out 432 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: completely differently. Who will know. But it is valuable PR 433 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: because this happens six days after the Immortal Battle, and 434 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: it comes it becomes a talking point, a lightning rod. 435 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: You see all these visual records and text about this, 436 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: and then right, yeah. 437 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: Isn't this essentially like an example of kind of like 438 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 2: the way more modern wars are fought on multiple fronts. 439 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: There's like sort of the coverage angle, the idea of 440 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: embedded journalists, and sort of the like PR side of 441 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: a war. This seems to be sort of like a 442 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: approaching that more modern, you know, style of warfare, right 443 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: h yeah. 444 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: And then they they also release a hospital They also 445 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: release one of the hospital ships that have been captured, 446 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: and they say, hey, go check on your folks, collect 447 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: any wounded Russian soldiers they're still in the area. And 448 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: to your point, this is another aspect of the conflict, right, 449 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: there is another knock on consequence because these gestures, sincere 450 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: or not all were leading to the creation of the 451 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: image the Japanese Empire wanted at the time, a victorious 452 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: nation that is also compassionate. You know what I mean. 453 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: In short, we are the good guys. Look at us. 454 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: We're not sore winners. And once this once this takeover 455 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: the island is complete, and once these conversations between the 456 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: admirals occur and the hospital ship is released, the road 457 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: to a peace treaty is much easier. President Roosevelt is 458 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: hosting so throws. 459 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: His hat in the ring as mediator, right, but doesn't 460 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: he doesn't don't They politely decline? 461 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: Ah, he says. He says, guys, come hang out with 462 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: me in New Hampshire. You'll you'll love it. It's the 463 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: Granite State. 464 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: It's beautiful this time of year. 465 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: Believes are beautiful. So eventually Russian negotiators say, okay, it's 466 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be less painful to go through diplomatic 467 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: means than it will be to go through another armed struggle, 468 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: especially because we just got our butts handed to us, 469 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: and we are going to accept the majority of Japanese 470 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: conditions or demands for peace. The Czar Nikki two says, 471 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: we are not going to reject a claim for indemnity. 472 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: We're going to offer We'll say that we recognize Japan's 473 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: control of the southern half of Sakkolan Island, and the 474 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: Japanese forces said, okay, yeah, deal. So they signed the 475 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Treaty of Portsmouth on September fifth, nineteen oh five, ending 476 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: a war that lasted nineteen months. 477 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: But if I'm not mistaken, Ben, this didn't go over 478 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: particularly well with the Japanese public, despite the Japanese being, 479 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: you know, the victors and receiving the you know, most 480 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: of the benefits of the treaty terms. I guess the 481 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: idea was that they should have been paid reparations of 482 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: some kind, that Russia would yield to every single Japanese 483 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: demand without negotiation, and there was some kind of public 484 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: backlash and the way it was reported and the way 485 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: the public responded. 486 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you absolutely nailed it. The people themselves felt betrayed. 487 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: And it's a phrase you can see in newspapers of 488 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: the time because on their end, you know, the civilians 489 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: there are going through so much economic strain. They've lost 490 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: a lot of loved ones in this war that lasted 491 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: nineteen months and to the on the day the treaty 492 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: was concluded, we see a public outcry. I wasn't aware 493 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: of this at first. Thirty thousand demonstrators gathered in Tokyo, 494 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: and they eventually rioted and for a while martial law 495 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 1: had to be. 496 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: I believe that. I'm sure you're familiar with a park 497 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: and it was known as the Habia Riots. 498 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, known as the Habia Riots. And that comes 499 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: to us from the Asia Pacific Journal, is where we're 500 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: pulling some of this information from. And that, fellow ridiculous historians, 501 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: is the story of how the Nation of Japan, the 502 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: Empire of Japan, once upon a time, absolutely rinsed the 503 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: largest land empire in the world. 504 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: Dowst juiced wa frombade saute juliennes. Perhaps's lunch im hungry, 505 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, despite this public backlash in Japan, 506 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 2: in fact, Prime Minister at the time, Katsura Taro's cabinet 507 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 2: would ultimately crumble as a result of this. It's my 508 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: understanding it was ultimately seen through the lens of history 509 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: as a resounding success. 510 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: And with that we would love to preemptively thank our 511 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: super producer mister Max Williams for a resounding success editing 512 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: this episode. We'd also like to thank all of you 513 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians for joining us on this journey. Again, 514 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot more information out there for fellow war 515 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: Nerds fans of war history please check out not just 516 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts and mechanics and back and forths 517 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: of this conflict, but the context that led to it, 518 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: right and how the consequences of these battles in this 519 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: war paved the way for other conflicts in the future. 520 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: Surey, it really did. The ruster Japanese War large kind 521 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: of ushered in a new era of modern warfare, and 522 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: the way it was covered in the way like kind 523 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 2: of the world saw conflicts like this moving forward. Pretty 524 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 2: interesting stuff. So there's definitely a lot more context to 525 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 2: be had, but huge thanks to our reach associet on 526 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: this episode, these episodes, Doctor Z thanks to Alex Williams Alex, 527 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,959 Speaker 2: what Is It Tijuana Williams, who composed our theme. 528 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: And big thanks to the one and only Aj Bahamas Jacobs, 529 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: who runs a fantastic show called The Puzzler wrote an 530 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: excellent book about living constitutionally. A huge fan please check 531 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: it out. It's such a big another one about living biblically. 532 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: M M yeah, yeah, he will find Aj Bahamas Jacobs 533 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: will find the most fascinating way to explore history. We're 534 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: super whim. We'd love having him on the show. He's 535 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: had us on his show a couple of times, and 536 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: speaking to people who have been on the show, we 537 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: do have some terrible news, and we don't want to 538 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: end on terrible news, but it's really important. Jonathan Strickland 539 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: aka the Quist, will be returning to the show very soon. 540 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: We fought against it, but it is in the peace negotiation, 541 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: so it's one of the terms we agree to. 542 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: I think it's actually going to happen in a pretty 543 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: interesting scenario, as all the old Jay strick would say, 544 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 2: where the three of us are going to be quite 545 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 2: far abroad together. We'll talk more about that when the 546 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: time comes, but. 547 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: It's quite close together now. 548 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: We're making it still together and far Aflung from from 549 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: the rest of the world that we know, little teez. 550 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: We'll say you more about that soon. In the meantime, 551 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 2: we'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 552 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,479 Speaker 2: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 553 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 2: to your favor Rich shows.