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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Welcome or ekomo Mai, which means welcome in

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Speaker 2: Hawaiian to the very first episode of our new podcast,

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Speaker 2: Facing Evil from Tenderfoot TV and iHeartRadio. We are your hosts.

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Speaker 2: I'm Roscha Peccuerero and I'm a Vegenteelay and some of

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Speaker 2: you may already be familiar with our voices from our

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Speaker 2: hit podcast Root of Evil, the True story of the

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Speaker 2: Hodell Family and the Black Dahlia. Root of Evil is

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Speaker 2: where we talked about our family's history and connection to

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Speaker 2: George Hodell, who happened to be the prime suspect in

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Speaker 2: the Black Dahlia murder case, which is also known as

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Speaker 2: the Elizabeth Short murder case. We've known about our crazy,

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Speaker 2: dark family history our entire lives, but Yvette and I

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Speaker 2: are so thankful that we had our beautiful mother Fana Hodel,

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Speaker 2: a woman who rose above her difficult and crazy upbringing

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Speaker 2: and she always looked for the best in all of

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Speaker 2: the people around her, and we've always found the light

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Speaker 2: in the dark because of her. And that is what

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Speaker 2: we are going to do with this new podcast, right, Evett,

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: So each week we're going to be joined by our

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Speaker 3: amazing producer, mister Trevor Young, and we're going to discuss

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Speaker 3: true crime stories that we think that need to be

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Speaker 3: brought into the light, and we're going to share our

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Speaker 3: own unique perspective on the cases and people involved. And

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Speaker 3: throughout the season, we're also going to be joined by

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Speaker 3: some very special guests that are sharing their stories and

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Speaker 3: we'll hear from others that can shed light on particular cases.

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Speaker 2: So, since we are sisters, contrary to popular belief, we

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Speaker 2: do not have the same opinion a lot of the time,

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Speaker 2: but we have beautiful conversations, We tease each other, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we just want you all to come along

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Speaker 3: Yes, we do. So with that being said, let's get

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Speaker 3: to our first case, the case of Lisa Ao, a

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Speaker 3: nineteen year old woman who went missing in Hawaii in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two. Since this is our first episode, we

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Speaker 3: wanted to share a story from a place that is

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Speaker 3: very personal to us. This is home, this is Hawaii, and.

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Speaker 2: Most people think of our beautiful hometown in Honolulu, Hawaii

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Speaker 2: as a paradise, which it absolutely is. But it's really

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Speaker 2: a place just like any other and it's not free

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Speaker 2: from crime or other horrible tragedies.

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Speaker 3: Right, So this is sort of a double edged sort

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Speaker 3: of an episode. While we're so happy to be talking

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Speaker 3: about our home, we're also turning over a few stones

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Speaker 3: and looking at the darker side of what is usually

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Speaker 3: a very sunny place. Each week, our producer Trevor is

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Speaker 3: a case. So now let's hear about Lisa Ao.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's one of the biggest unsolved mysteries in Hawaii.

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Speaker 3: Who killed Lisa Ao.

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Speaker 5: She was on her way home when she was stopped

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Speaker 4: If you're old enough, you remember the fear that spread

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Speaker 1: Lisa Ao was born on July twenty fifth, nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: kilani A keima Ao Kauamano. Lisa was of Chinese, Hawaiian

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Speaker 1: After attending a training program at Trendsetter's Beauty College, Lisa

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Speaker 1: And how could something so gruesome happen in a beautiful

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Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking to me that anything like this happened, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was fifteen, and I remember a

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Speaker 3: But I do remember. You know, Mom was driving into town,

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Speaker 1: But growing up there, y'all didn't really kind of have

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Speaker 3: Not at all, not ever.

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Speaker 2: Never, I'd never heard ever murder Like That's why I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean we and we left our doors

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Speaker 3: you know, and we actually lived in Kailua and.

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Speaker 2: One of the many cases we lived with mom. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Hawaii like Trevor's you said, like, it is really one

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Speaker 2: know that violent crimes in Hawaii increased sharply in the

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Speaker 3: Right, And even though we were growing up in Hawaii,

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Speaker 3: Mom sheltered us from all of that. I mean she

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the uptick and crime in the seventies

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Speaker 1: It just kind of came to Hawaii along with people

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Speaker 1: I guess even though it is a safe place, unfortunately

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Speaker 2: So let's look closer at the night that Lisa Ao

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Speaker 2: actually went missing, which was January twentieth. So Lisa had

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Speaker 2: the rain. Her co workers said later that there was

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Speaker 2: nothing different about Lisa that night. She was her friendly,

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Speaker 2: Now there's poke bowls, but back then you could just

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Speaker 3: And so Doug would. He would later testify that he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess nobody really knew by this point. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know, early morning by this point, and they are

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Speaker 1: And the rest of this information comes from Hawaii News Now,

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Speaker 1: who did a lot of really good reporting at the time.

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Speaker 1: But according to them, Doug went out to look for Lisa,

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Speaker 1: and he's the one that reported to police that he

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Speaker 1: found her car. And her car was a nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: highway in Mana wheeley, Am I getting that right?

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Speaker 2: Run very close?

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Speaker 1: Okay, sorry working on my Hawaiian but I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Are doing good, Texan, I'm telling you very good? Right.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, the car was parked on the shoulder of

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Speaker 1: which sounds fun.

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Speaker 2: This was when it was open.

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Speaker 3: It was spooky, very spooky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The drive in was only about two miles from

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Speaker 2: All right, it's time to talk about the suspects. And

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Speaker 3: So that's where those comes from, yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Well, that comes from in Hawaii at the time, there

434
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Speaker 3: were police officers could put the blue light on top

435
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Speaker 3: of their car, so it was like a grill that

436
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: was there and they could just PLoP the blue light

437
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 3: on there. So you know, everybody was thinking that it

438
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: was a police officer. Now all of a sudden, they're

439
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: thinking that there are copycats out there that are going

440
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: to start pulling over tourists or you know, luring women

441
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: to the side and you know, doing something terrible to this.

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Speaker 1: Is that why people think?

443
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: And the pers vehicles back then, they were using their

444
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Speaker 2: own cars.

445
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: So really anybody who, like, with their own car could

446
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: just go buy a blue light.

447
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: Ten So, actually, in nineteen eighty two, the Honolulu Police

448
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: Department actually banned officers from using the supplemental blue lights

449
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: as a reaction to Lisa's unsolved murder because I think

450
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: it created a lot of mass hysteria, especially in Honolulu.

451
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I created a frenzy, right, and we're afraid.

452
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: So afraid, like our mom. And so the other theory

453
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: that I think is absolutely crazy is that they were

454
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Speaker 2: trying to pin Lisa AU's murder on the Golden State killer,

455
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Speaker 2: who has now been identified as James DeAngelo, who is

456
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: a former police officer, or they actually thought that it

457
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: possibly like Lisa could have been the first murder in

458
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: the still unidentified serial killer known as the Honolulu Strangler.

459
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Speaker 2: And I honestly, like, i'd never heard about the Honolulu

460
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: Strangler until doing research for this actual case. Do you

461
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: know anything about it?

462
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: Evet no, And that's no, I did not. And I

463
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: asked my friend again the same question, and she remembers

464
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 3: that case those cases as well, and I said, well,

465
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Speaker 3: do you think you know one had to do with

466
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: the other, And she said she didn't feel that way

467
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Speaker 3: at all. You know. So were you familiar with these

468
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Speaker 3: at all?

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Speaker 2: Trevor our true crime expert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm familiar with the Golden State

471
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: Killer and Joseph James d'angelou. That was a huge thing

472
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: back in I guess twenty eighteen or so when he

473
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: was found out right, And it's a pretty common thing

474
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: that anytime one of these serial killers from you know,

475
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: decades past is discovered, that people try and connect them

476
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: with all these other unsolved cases where they don't know

477
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: who the killer is. I remember people thought, like, you know,

478
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: he could have been also the Zodiac, or that the

479
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: Zodiac was the the unibomber. You know. So people are

480
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: always like making these crazy connections between these famous serial killers,

481
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: and I get it. I understand where the temptation comes from.

482
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: But I was less familiar with the Honolulu strangler. However,

483
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: I had heard about it in reference to some DNA

484
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 1: technology announcements that had come out recently. It was one

485
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: of those cases where they thought they could use new

486
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: DNA technology to help solve the case, which has been

487
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: a really big thing in recent years. So I had

488
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of heard about it in passing, but happy to

489
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit more here, because it

490
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: is an interesting case, and that one, more so than

491
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: the Golden State Killer, I think could have some legs

492
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: as a theory. So anyways, I'll just tell you about

493
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: it and then we can think about it a little bit. Okay,

494
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: makes any sense if it's connected to Lisa. But basically,

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00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: from May nineteen eighty five to April of nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 1: five women were murdered in a similar fashion to one another.

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Speaker 1: Their names were Vicky gay Perdi, Regina Sakamoto, Denise Hughes,

498
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Luis Madieros, and Linda Peschi. Each woman was found nude

499
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: with her hands bound behind her back, and three of

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00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: them had been sexually assaulted or raped. So already the

501
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: m O kind of sounds different from.

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Speaker 3: Lisa, right right, right, So.

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Speaker 1: Because Lisa's cause of death, though has still not really

504
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: been determined, it's difficult to tell if she had been strangled,

505
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: if she had been bound, if she had been sexually assaulted,

506
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: and since she was not found under any of those conditions,

507
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: there's not really a lot of evidence to back up

508
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: the theory that she was connected to the Honolulu strangler. Still, though,

509
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: it's you know, possible. It's possible that Lisa, you know,

510
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: having happened many years earlier, was like maybe the first

511
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: victim of the Honolulu Strangler, that maybe she was like

512
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: a test.

513
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: A test case, a test case for.

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Speaker 1: Him, or I assume him, you know, and then he

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00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: would go on to murder and kill five other women.

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00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: You know, we've heard of that happening. You know, the

517
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: Zodiac case, for example, there were a number of unconnected cases,

518
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: unconfirmed cases that happened years years before the official Zodiac

519
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: killings that looked really really similar. So a lot of

520
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: people kind of assume that those cases are connected, but

521
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: that they were as I was just mentioning, like kind

522
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: of test cases for the Zodiac. So it's not unheard of,

523
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: could be connected, but you know, at the end of

524
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: the day, we don't have any way to confirm that.

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Speaker 2: It's funny that you mentioned the Zodiac because our great

526
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: uncle Steve Hodell connected, you know, he believes that our

527
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: great grandfather George Hodell was also the Zodiac killer.

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00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: Yep.

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00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, what is that about that I didn't read.

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00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: They always try to put them all together.

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Speaker 1: I know I attributed to Aukham's razor, right, like the

532
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: simplest answer to any sort of complex issue is, you know,

533
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: the most easy one to digest, and therefore people attract

534
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Speaker 1: to them.

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Speaker 2: You always say these amazing nuggets, Trevor, Oh my goodness.

536
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: I wish I could just get in your brain sometimes, Trevor,

537
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: in your pocket, Oh my gosh. But what do you guys? Okay, so,

538
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: but what do you think about Doug? Do you guys

539
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: think that the boyfriend could have done it? I mean,

540
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: what do you think?

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00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: I feel like Russia kind of said it already, you know.

542
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean again, I know people are quick to, you know,

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00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: go for the partner as the person who likely did it,

544
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: and for good reason. I mean, that is very often

545
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: the case, right, I mean, I think the first people

546
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: you should look at are the people who know the victim, right,

547
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: people in close proximity, significant others, neighbors, et cetera, et cetera.

548
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: But in this case, it just feels unlikely. It feels

549
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: unlikely based off of his testimony. It feels unlikely based

550
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: on the fact that there's just nothing tying him to

551
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: the case. You know, I don't know if anybody else

552
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: had any thoughts, but.

553
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I have to agree with you.

554
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: I think originally I thought, yeah, it was a boyfriend

555
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: because you know, again I go back to like, how

556
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 3: do you let your girlfriend, you know, drive the Polly

557
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: and it's pouring rain at night, and you know, I'm

558
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: and there's an argument, and I think, well, maybe something

559
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: happened and so he planned all this, you know, something

560
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: bad happened or accidentally possibly, I don't know. But the

561
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: more that I think about it, I don't think the

562
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: boyfriend was the one who did it. I think that

563
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: my gut is leaning more towards a police officer, no what,

564
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: yeah or something. I just I just, yeah, things, things

565
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: are just not adding up, especially when we go back

566
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: and we're talking about like her body right and how

567
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: the coroner's the way that it was not cleaned and

568
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: bagged and like that. That's a procedure that is supposed

569
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: to be done. So why wasn't that done?

570
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: Oh so there's a conspiracy theory work here.

571
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

572
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm just I mean, I don't know,

573
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: but that's just my two cents.

574
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah see, and I always lean towards the boyfriend. But

575
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: because I don't want to hurt anyone, you know, Doug

576
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: has come out in you know, last few years especially,

577
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: you know, I think he was interviewed for what you

578
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: News now and he said, you know, because he's moved

579
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: on to Australia, has a family, has moved on in

580
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: his life. But he definitely, you know, has said that

581
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: he wants to find Lisa's killer and help in any

582
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: way that he can. But I still can't get it

583
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: out of my mind that he was the last person

584
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: to be with her. So I don't know, I just

585
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: valid point though, Yvet and Trevor. I just I want

586
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: Lisa to find justice.

587
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: Right, We just we just hope that the truth one

588
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: day comes out what really happened to her. Right, That's

589
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: the most important thing here exactly.

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Speaker 2: So now it's time for our last segment of the show,

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Speaker 2: Our Emua.

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Speaker 5: This will be the.

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Speaker 2: Final part of every single episode of Facing Evil and

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00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: im in Hawaiian means to move onward and upward, and

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00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 2: most importantly, to move forward. It's our final message of

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00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: hope and healing that we want to give to each

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Speaker 2: of you. Today. We dedicate our Emua to Lisa Ao

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Speaker 2: and all the other people in Hawaii who never had

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00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: their cases resolved.

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Speaker 3: It's so important to us today to spread this message

601
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: of hope that we will find the truth about Lisa

602
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: and that the land, the Aina of Hawaii will provide

603
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: that truth absolutely and hopefully this will bring some peace

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00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: to Lisa's Ohanna.

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Speaker 2: Onward and upward.

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00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: Emua emua.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's our show for today, our very first one.

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Speaker 2: Mahala nui la. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear what you thought about today's discussion

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Speaker 2: and if there's a case that you'd like us to cover,

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