WEBVTT - Introducing Other People’s Pockets: Mistress Marley, Financial Dominatrix 0:00:15.316 --> 0:00:21.796 Pushkin. I'm Jacob Goldstein and this is a special bonus 0:00:21.796 --> 0:00:24.316 episode of What's Your Problem. My guest today is my 0:00:24.436 --> 0:00:28.996 allow host of a new podcast called Other People's Pockets. 0:00:28.996 --> 0:00:32.436 Opp to those who love it, Hi, Maya, good morning. Hey, 0:00:32.916 --> 0:00:36.916 nice to talk to you. So you got a new show? 0:00:37.356 --> 0:00:39.356 Give me give me the show? In like one sense, 0:00:39.436 --> 0:00:42.476 what is other People's Pockets? Other People's Pockets is a 0:00:42.516 --> 0:00:45.076 show where I interview people about money. I asked them 0:00:45.116 --> 0:00:47.436 how much money they make, how they feel about that, 0:00:47.556 --> 0:00:50.796 how they got there, and any you know, tips and 0:00:50.836 --> 0:00:53.876 tricks we can learn along the way of their money journey. 0:00:54.516 --> 0:00:56.196 You kind of jumped over it, but I love the 0:00:56.436 --> 0:00:58.836 asking them how much money they make, right, I feel 0:00:58.836 --> 0:01:00.236 like a lot of those other things. I was sure 0:01:00.236 --> 0:01:02.556 I've heard tips and tricks, But how much money do 0:01:02.596 --> 0:01:05.836 you make? Is a great question. Yeah, it's kind of 0:01:05.876 --> 0:01:08.716 the quiet part out loud. It's the thing we all wonder. 0:01:08.876 --> 0:01:11.396 I think there's a reason why we all want to 0:01:11.436 --> 0:01:14.356 look at zillo and look inside other people's homes. I 0:01:14.396 --> 0:01:17.396 think we also want to look inside other people's finances 0:01:17.436 --> 0:01:21.516 because there's a lot that's communicated with just knowing the number. 0:01:22.276 --> 0:01:25.356 I love it so I've heard a few of the 0:01:25.956 --> 0:01:28.076 first episodes that you've been working on, and there's one 0:01:28.116 --> 0:01:31.156 that I found particularly interesting that I want to play today, 0:01:31.996 --> 0:01:35.436 and it's an interview you did with a financial dominate trix. 0:01:35.556 --> 0:01:41.516 So just briefly, what is a financial dominaterix. Some people 0:01:41.556 --> 0:01:44.596 have a kink where the kink itself is to give 0:01:44.636 --> 0:01:46.756 away money, and there's like this loss of power and 0:01:47.316 --> 0:01:50.236 that's their kink. And so the financial dominatrix makes money 0:01:50.236 --> 0:01:53.436 by people just wanting to send the money. Often there's 0:01:53.436 --> 0:01:56.956 nothing sexual, there's nothing physical that happens. That's how they 0:01:56.996 --> 0:02:00.636 make money. Amazing. So I like this interview you did 0:02:00.676 --> 0:02:04.796 with this financial dominatrix, this fin Doom for a few reasons, 0:02:04.796 --> 0:02:07.236 Like one, she actually talks about how much money she makes, 0:02:07.236 --> 0:02:09.916 and like the different sort of revenue channel she has, 0:02:10.196 --> 0:02:11.836 So just the straight up how much do you make? 0:02:11.956 --> 0:02:13.556 Is there? And then also you kind of get this 0:02:13.636 --> 0:02:17.436 meta thing about money, which is why would people want 0:02:17.436 --> 0:02:20.636 to pay her to take their money or whatever to 0:02:20.836 --> 0:02:22.716 give her money. So let's just get to it now. 0:02:22.956 --> 0:02:25.916 Congratulations on your new show, Other People's Pocket. Thank you 0:02:25.956 --> 0:02:39.636 so much, Jacob. Let's listen to the episode, Well Mistress Marley, 0:02:39.716 --> 0:02:41.516 thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm 0:02:41.556 --> 0:02:44.436 so excited to have you here. Thank you for having me. 0:02:45.676 --> 0:02:51.556 Can you explain what is financial domination and how did 0:02:51.596 --> 0:02:56.076 it become one of your specialties? So basically, financial domination 0:02:56.276 --> 0:02:58.956 is a practice within the BDSM and kink world. It's 0:02:58.996 --> 0:03:02.596 the psychological kink that involves a sub giving the dominant 0:03:02.636 --> 0:03:06.316 party money, whether we call it a tribute, gifts or whatever, 0:03:06.436 --> 0:03:10.236 but the sub basically gets off by giving themselves to 0:03:10.396 --> 0:03:14.276 the dominatrix or the dom financially. Wow. And I mean 0:03:15.916 --> 0:03:19.476 when you explain it, and I think the more that 0:03:19.796 --> 0:03:21.556 I've heard about it, I think a lot of people 0:03:21.756 --> 0:03:25.876 kind of consider it basically a dream job to kind 0:03:25.876 --> 0:03:29.396 of just exist and ask for people to give you 0:03:29.436 --> 0:03:32.756 money and they just give it to you. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:32.756 --> 0:03:34.956 I get that a lot. Everyone's always like is this real? 0:03:35.076 --> 0:03:36.676 When I first came into it, I didn't think it 0:03:36.716 --> 0:03:38.756 was real until it started happening and I was like, Oh, 0:03:38.796 --> 0:03:42.716 it's real. And so I'm wondering if you can kind 0:03:42.716 --> 0:03:46.596 of explain more. I mean, as I understand it, you know, 0:03:46.676 --> 0:03:49.876 you have an online presence, people can see pictures and 0:03:49.996 --> 0:03:55.676 videos of you. You ask for tributes sometimes, but you 0:03:55.756 --> 0:04:00.996 also sometimes meet people, these being your your subs or 0:04:01.036 --> 0:04:05.156 your financial submissives in person, right, and sometimes do things 0:04:05.156 --> 0:04:08.156 like take them to an ATM. Yes, yeah, can you 0:04:08.196 --> 0:04:11.956 talk more about what that looks like. Yeah. So you'll 0:04:11.996 --> 0:04:14.476 have some subs that want to meet you in person, 0:04:14.516 --> 0:04:17.196 and we call them fin subs or financial subs. But 0:04:17.236 --> 0:04:20.596 then for the most part, financial domination is online. But 0:04:20.636 --> 0:04:22.276 for those subs that want to meet you, they want 0:04:22.276 --> 0:04:24.396 to do something that we call a cash meet, and 0:04:24.436 --> 0:04:26.996 that's when you are meeting the sub at ATM, you know, 0:04:27.076 --> 0:04:29.196 requesting a certain amount of money they should take out, 0:04:29.236 --> 0:04:31.116 and they hand it to you and either you can 0:04:31.356 --> 0:04:35.036 humiliate them, you can walk away any type of embarrassment 0:04:35.036 --> 0:04:37.676 that they might ask, whatever it is, it's all consensual. 0:04:38.036 --> 0:04:40.716 But there are some in person meetups in this field, 0:04:40.836 --> 0:04:43.796 not always necessary or not always required, but I think 0:04:43.796 --> 0:04:46.196 they're the most fun because it's like, not only are 0:04:46.276 --> 0:04:48.036 you giving me your money, but you're doing it in 0:04:48.076 --> 0:04:51.236 public and I get to humiliate you after I get 0:04:51.276 --> 0:04:53.476 the money. So to me, that's like something I just 0:04:53.556 --> 0:04:57.076 love to do. I'm so like impressed by I think 0:04:57.116 --> 0:05:00.316 I would have so much stage fright and like I'm 0:05:00.356 --> 0:05:02.796 impressed that, like you can just go with it and 0:05:02.876 --> 0:05:06.516 like turn on this side of you, Like do you 0:05:06.556 --> 0:05:08.396 ever have a moment where you're like, I don't know 0:05:08.436 --> 0:05:10.716 if I can do this or are you just totally 0:05:10.756 --> 0:05:13.116 in it? Oh my gosh. Yes. So when I first 0:05:13.116 --> 0:05:15.556 started out, it was like hard for me to really 0:05:15.556 --> 0:05:17.076 get in the mode of knowing, like I'm going to 0:05:17.156 --> 0:05:19.036 humiliate someone because I'm from the South, so I have 0:05:19.076 --> 0:05:20.916 the sweet southern built thing, like I've always been just 0:05:20.956 --> 0:05:26.076 a sweetheart, I think so, and my first ever cashed me. 0:05:26.156 --> 0:05:28.716 I was very very nervous. I'm like, what do I 0:05:28.796 --> 0:05:31.156 say to them? Like what if there becomes a time 0:05:31.196 --> 0:05:33.036 where I paused or don't know what to say and 0:05:33.036 --> 0:05:36.796 we're just awkwardly standing there or whatever. But I got 0:05:36.796 --> 0:05:38.516 into the mode of getting better at it by like 0:05:38.556 --> 0:05:41.036 when I saw the subs, I would imagine somebody I 0:05:41.076 --> 0:05:44.756 really really hate it, especially a man or someone that's 0:05:44.796 --> 0:05:46.356 done me wrong in the past, and it was just 0:05:46.436 --> 0:05:49.076 easier in that way. And then when I realized like, 0:05:49.596 --> 0:05:52.276 not only was I humiliating them and doing something that 0:05:52.356 --> 0:05:54.836 made me feel good, then being humiliated with something that 0:05:54.956 --> 0:05:57.476 made them feel really good. So I was fulfilling something 0:05:57.876 --> 0:06:00.596 inside of them while doing something I had to learn 0:06:00.636 --> 0:06:02.556 how to do and learn how to come into. So 0:06:03.236 --> 0:06:05.476 it's something that yes, I was intimidated at first, and 0:06:05.516 --> 0:06:07.356 a lot of people are intimidated at first when they 0:06:07.396 --> 0:06:09.196 think about it. But it's one of those things that 0:06:09.276 --> 0:06:11.316 once you say that first word of humiliation, you just 0:06:11.396 --> 0:06:13.436 keep going and you can't stop. So it's like you 0:06:13.476 --> 0:06:16.596 get better at it. Yeah, you just have to tap 0:06:16.636 --> 0:06:21.556 into that part of you exactly. So, how how much 0:06:21.596 --> 0:06:24.836 money do you make doing this? Oh? Wow? It depends, 0:06:24.836 --> 0:06:28.916 so like a tribute could range from fifty dollars to 0:06:29.036 --> 0:06:31.116 a thousand dollars, and a tribute it's really just what 0:06:31.196 --> 0:06:33.676 a sub gives you to have conversation with you or 0:06:33.716 --> 0:06:36.356 to have access to you. So that doesn't mean like 0:06:36.396 --> 0:06:38.876 you have to send back any photos or videos or 0:06:39.236 --> 0:06:41.356 even have a session with them. A tribute is simply 0:06:41.396 --> 0:06:44.516 for appreciation, So those can range from fifty dollars to 0:06:44.556 --> 0:06:47.116 a thousand dollars. And then you get deeper into it 0:06:47.156 --> 0:06:49.436 when you have cash meets, because not only are you 0:06:49.436 --> 0:06:51.356 going to the cash meeting requesting they take out like 0:06:51.356 --> 0:06:53.636 a thousand out the ATM, but you're also getting a 0:06:53.676 --> 0:06:56.956 deposit before that meetup to secure the meetup, and then 0:06:56.996 --> 0:06:59.196 when you get into sessions, it gets even deeper because 0:06:59.196 --> 0:07:01.636 then it's per hour. So like there's been times where 0:07:01.676 --> 0:07:03.396 I've had sessions because, like I said, I'm a pro 0:07:03.476 --> 0:07:06.036 dominatric too, so I do the typical dom things of 0:07:06.116 --> 0:07:09.556 like whipping and you know, foot worship and all those things. 0:07:09.556 --> 0:07:11.916 So once you get into that, it can be upward 0:07:11.916 --> 0:07:15.436 of nine hundred hour, thousand an hour, whatever it may be. 0:07:15.476 --> 0:07:18.036 But I've gotten to the point where me being a 0:07:18.076 --> 0:07:20.716 financial dominatrix has done so well for me that I 0:07:20.756 --> 0:07:22.956 was able to quit my nine to five last year 0:07:23.036 --> 0:07:28.876 last January. Wow, congratulations, thank you, thank you. How much 0:07:28.916 --> 0:07:32.436 money were you making your previous job. It was really 0:07:32.516 --> 0:07:35.716 just an entry level like forty five K a year 0:07:36.036 --> 0:07:38.596 type salary, so you know, it was enough to get 0:07:38.596 --> 0:07:40.436 by and live in New York with roommates and things 0:07:40.436 --> 0:07:42.796 of that nature. But it was definitely not something I 0:07:42.916 --> 0:07:44.996 was happy in. It was something where even on my 0:07:45.076 --> 0:07:47.436 lunch break, I was going to see subs on ATM 0:07:47.516 --> 0:07:53.676 meet up while I was like working exactly exactly, or 0:07:53.716 --> 0:07:56.876 I'd be on my laptop, like you know, putting out 0:07:56.916 --> 0:07:59.316 ads or doing little things or editing pictures or whatever. 0:07:59.356 --> 0:08:01.516 So I always was just like ready to leave that 0:08:01.636 --> 0:08:05.516 job or whatever. So yeah, it wasn't it wasn't what 0:08:05.596 --> 0:08:08.876 I needed. And I mean, you have a master's degree 0:08:09.156 --> 0:08:12.876 in fashion marketing, so I imagine that that's helped you 0:08:13.156 --> 0:08:16.276 in your line of work now in terms of marketing, Like, 0:08:16.356 --> 0:08:19.676 can you talk about like what that degree has helped 0:08:19.676 --> 0:08:23.436 you with? Yeah, for sure. So, like my bachelor's degree 0:08:23.516 --> 0:08:24.956 was in fashion design, and then I moved to New 0:08:25.036 --> 0:08:26.916 York to learn more about the business of fashion. So 0:08:26.956 --> 0:08:30.276 I got my master's degree in fashion marketing, and that's 0:08:30.276 --> 0:08:32.756 helped me learn my niche market That's helped me learn 0:08:32.876 --> 0:08:35.836 like how to advertise pictures, what time of the day 0:08:35.876 --> 0:08:39.756 to advertise, who to advertise too. Even if I'm just 0:08:39.876 --> 0:08:42.076 having classes for other people that want to learn how 0:08:42.116 --> 0:08:44.716 to be doms is setting a price for that and 0:08:44.996 --> 0:08:47.716 what I offer with that. I mean I even throw events, 0:08:47.916 --> 0:08:50.076 so I throw brunches for women that want to learn 0:08:50.076 --> 0:08:53.236 how to do this stuff. So it's me being able 0:08:53.276 --> 0:08:55.116 to do all this marketing. And my friends always call 0:08:55.156 --> 0:08:57.476 me a marketing beast, like they can't understand how I'm 0:08:57.476 --> 0:09:00.276 like always going, going, going, it's like, because you know, 0:09:00.276 --> 0:09:02.356 in my corporate world, when I was working in corporate, 0:09:02.596 --> 0:09:04.076 that's something I just had to do in a daily 0:09:04.156 --> 0:09:07.196 So why not incorporated into what I'm doing now? Right? 0:09:07.996 --> 0:09:09.596 You know a lot of your clients, I think you've 0:09:09.636 --> 0:09:13.356 mentioned our CEOs, there are Wall Street types. They're high 0:09:13.396 --> 0:09:17.556 powered men in high powered jobs. Do you get a 0:09:17.596 --> 0:09:22.276 sense from them about why exactly they're interested in giving 0:09:22.316 --> 0:09:25.876 away their money and also in being dominated? I think 0:09:25.876 --> 0:09:30.076 for them it's the lack of power that they're having 0:09:30.076 --> 0:09:33.076 with me. So they're so used to being in charge. 0:09:33.156 --> 0:09:35.116 Like you said, they're CEOs and things of that nature, 0:09:35.156 --> 0:09:37.196 so they're so used to being in charge and calling 0:09:37.196 --> 0:09:39.396 the shots and this and that. But when they come 0:09:39.436 --> 0:09:42.556 to me, none of that exists. It's all about me. 0:09:42.756 --> 0:09:45.316 I call the shots, I make the schedule. I tell 0:09:45.356 --> 0:09:46.956 you when you need to be bowing to me or 0:09:46.996 --> 0:09:49.236 giving to me or sending to me. And for them 0:09:49.236 --> 0:09:51.996 it's just like, wow, I'm really being told something by 0:09:52.036 --> 0:09:54.516 someone that a is not only younger than me, but 0:09:54.676 --> 0:09:57.916 someone that is very dominant and I might not be 0:09:57.996 --> 0:09:59.796 used to this. So I think they get off to 0:09:59.876 --> 0:10:01.996 just have from that lack of control, Like, oh, I 0:10:01.996 --> 0:10:03.996 can't control what's going on right now. I can't tell 0:10:04.036 --> 0:10:05.756 them that they need to shut up and listen to me, 0:10:05.836 --> 0:10:07.716 Like I have to shut up and listen to them. 0:10:07.916 --> 0:10:11.676 And what about when it's just them sending you money 0:10:11.796 --> 0:10:13.916 and like there's no real back and forth, but it's 0:10:13.996 --> 0:10:18.116 just money appears in your account, Like what what's side about? 0:10:18.116 --> 0:10:20.276 Do you think? Oh, that's even better? And actually if they, 0:10:20.556 --> 0:10:22.156 if more of them could send me money and not 0:10:22.236 --> 0:10:25.516 say anything to me, oh life will be made. But 0:10:26.236 --> 0:10:29.036 we get a lot of silent senders and financial domination. 0:10:29.076 --> 0:10:31.716 Those are people that send money you don't know where 0:10:31.716 --> 0:10:33.236 it came from. They'll never tell you like oh I 0:10:33.276 --> 0:10:35.196 sent or whatever. I had once cup that was doing 0:10:35.196 --> 0:10:37.556 that for a long time. Now I realized who he 0:10:37.676 --> 0:10:39.396 was and I'll you know, I entered his DM, like 0:10:39.396 --> 0:10:41.276 you know, because he had been a long time sender, 0:10:41.316 --> 0:10:43.116 and I was like, what are your fetishes? What are 0:10:43.116 --> 0:10:44.756 your kink? And he was literally just like I'm not 0:10:44.996 --> 0:10:46.436 into any of that. I just want to send you 0:10:46.476 --> 0:10:47.996 money or whatever, and I would just like to keep 0:10:47.996 --> 0:10:50.436 it like silent. I was like perfect, Like that's perfect 0:10:50.476 --> 0:10:52.316 for me, But I think for a lot of them 0:10:52.476 --> 0:10:54.876 is to them, I guess it gives them a thrill 0:10:54.916 --> 0:10:56.436 of knowing, like, oh my god, I just sent money 0:10:56.436 --> 0:10:58.116 to a stranger on the other side of the world 0:10:58.116 --> 0:10:59.476 and I'm never going to see them and they don't 0:10:59.516 --> 0:11:00.876 have to talk to me, but I sent it and 0:11:00.916 --> 0:11:03.276 it's out of my wallet. Like I think for them, 0:11:03.276 --> 0:11:05.236 it's the thought of if I told someone this, they 0:11:05.236 --> 0:11:07.116 would look at me like I was crazy, you know. 0:11:07.316 --> 0:11:11.276 So it's it's different things that, you know make them 0:11:11.516 --> 0:11:31.796 feel great or fulfilled. You mentioned like you have this 0:11:31.876 --> 0:11:35.116 whole business and I'm curious more about your business model, 0:11:35.156 --> 0:11:39.276 like you have a segment where you do financial domination. 0:11:40.396 --> 0:11:44.756 You also do in person dominate tricks like what people 0:11:44.796 --> 0:11:48.116 classically think of dominate tricks set up being you have 0:11:48.316 --> 0:11:52.476 these brunches. You mentioned you have classes, Like can you 0:11:52.516 --> 0:11:54.156 tell us kind of how it all breaks out, Like 0:11:54.156 --> 0:11:55.916 what do you make the most money off of? What 0:11:55.956 --> 0:11:58.556 do you make the least money off of? I would 0:11:58.596 --> 0:12:01.796 have to say that I make the most money off 0:12:01.916 --> 0:12:07.116 of my in person sessions and my online courses because 0:12:07.236 --> 0:12:09.756 everyone wants to do everything online. Yes, I still have 0:12:09.796 --> 0:12:12.516 successful in person events, but there's an online option. Of course, 0:12:12.516 --> 0:12:15.716 everyone's going to take it just to be safe. I 0:12:15.756 --> 0:12:17.836 will say I make a good amount of money with 0:12:17.916 --> 0:12:21.436 my in person events and things of that nature, but 0:12:21.476 --> 0:12:23.596 it just takes so much to put those together, like 0:12:23.636 --> 0:12:28.356 you know, finding a venue, getting caterers, getting decorations, all 0:12:28.356 --> 0:12:31.036 those different types of things. So it's just like I 0:12:31.156 --> 0:12:33.636 try to make myself accessible in different ways because I 0:12:33.716 --> 0:12:36.276 realize that what I'm doing is something that a lot 0:12:36.316 --> 0:12:39.036 of people are curious about but are scared to jump into. 0:12:39.516 --> 0:12:41.556 So of course, you might not have those people that 0:12:41.596 --> 0:12:44.076 can show face at a public event like this because 0:12:44.076 --> 0:12:46.276 at my brunches, I have subs there and we actually 0:12:46.596 --> 0:12:48.716 like practice on them and things of that nature. But 0:12:48.796 --> 0:12:50.756 you might have people that work in nine to five 0:12:50.836 --> 0:12:52.476 jobs where they might be like, Okay, I don't want 0:12:52.516 --> 0:12:54.556 to be seen in public at an event like this. 0:12:55.036 --> 0:12:57.636 But that's why I offer the online events because they can, 0:12:57.756 --> 0:12:59.916 you know, have the freedom to be online and learn 0:12:59.996 --> 0:13:01.516 and not really have to show their face or be 0:13:01.556 --> 0:13:04.756 out in the public. Right Well, I mean along those lines, 0:13:04.756 --> 0:13:07.796 like I kind of wanted to ask you, sex work 0:13:07.956 --> 0:13:10.436 is this thing that we go with glamorize and at 0:13:10.436 --> 0:13:12.836 the same time society kind of doesn't know what to 0:13:12.836 --> 0:13:15.356 do with And I'm wondering, like, what are some of 0:13:15.396 --> 0:13:19.156 the pitfalls of this career choice for you. I think 0:13:19.156 --> 0:13:23.196 some of the pitfalls is like the constant judgment stereotypes, 0:13:24.236 --> 0:13:26.636 having to really explain your work, and having to explain 0:13:26.716 --> 0:13:29.956 that sex work is work, even when people just when 0:13:29.996 --> 0:13:32.316 I'm out at the bars or clubs, you know, the 0:13:32.596 --> 0:13:34.916 typical conversations like what do you do for work or whatever, like, 0:13:35.036 --> 0:13:36.956 and I'm someone that's always been so sture myself that 0:13:36.956 --> 0:13:38.436 I'm not gonna hide what I do, but I'll tell 0:13:38.476 --> 0:13:41.356 them I'm a dominatrix, and it's just right away, it's oh, 0:13:41.396 --> 0:13:44.236 that's crazy, that's weird, like or like, oh, you're not 0:13:44.276 --> 0:13:46.196 gonna beat me right now. I'm like okay, Like why 0:13:46.236 --> 0:13:50.076 would I start beating you at the bar? Like yeah. 0:13:50.116 --> 0:13:53.836 But it's getting those stereotypes. It's like having to really 0:13:53.876 --> 0:13:58.396 explain yourself, and you know, having to realize that our 0:13:58.516 --> 0:14:00.756 job isn't normal jobs, as much as we try to 0:14:00.756 --> 0:14:03.916 normalize it. Yes, like we can say that it's normal 0:14:03.956 --> 0:14:06.196 for us, but for other people will never be perceived 0:14:06.276 --> 0:14:09.316 as that. So it's just always having to find where 0:14:09.316 --> 0:14:11.076 we fit in or just feel like we're really fighting 0:14:11.076 --> 0:14:14.196 to just be heard. You know, right, yeah, And I 0:14:14.196 --> 0:14:16.756 mean it feels like you're like you've done a lot 0:14:16.796 --> 0:14:19.796 of thinking and planning in terms of keeping your personal 0:14:19.796 --> 0:14:23.796 life separate and also just in preparing to even get 0:14:23.836 --> 0:14:29.676 in this industry exactly. So you mentioned how much tributes 0:14:29.796 --> 0:14:31.716 could be. I mean, can you can you give us 0:14:31.716 --> 0:14:34.156 a sense? I notice on Twitter you recently posted you 0:14:34.156 --> 0:14:38.236 out of total sales of one hundred five thousand dollars 0:14:38.276 --> 0:14:42.956 to date and we're in October this year. Can you 0:14:42.996 --> 0:14:46.716 say like kind of what the total for the year 0:14:46.836 --> 0:14:50.436 might be like of all the things you do? So 0:14:51.076 --> 0:14:53.516 the sales I posted on Twitter just today are sales 0:14:53.556 --> 0:14:57.436 from like my brunches and Zoom courses and like any 0:14:57.436 --> 0:14:59.356 type of party I throw. So that's been all those 0:14:59.356 --> 0:15:02.356 sales for that. When it comes to like my financial 0:15:02.396 --> 0:15:05.196 domination and things of that nature, a lot of those 0:15:05.196 --> 0:15:08.276 tributes and things are gifts through cash at or gifts 0:15:08.276 --> 0:15:10.316 through Vemo. Like it's like if your friend was to 0:15:10.356 --> 0:15:13.396 send you eight hundred dollars on cash app for their 0:15:13.436 --> 0:15:15.316 portion of the rent. That's how it is when it's 0:15:15.316 --> 0:15:18.556 getting sent to me on cash App. So I would say, 0:15:18.596 --> 0:15:21.076 aside from that, if I was to mentally try to 0:15:21.076 --> 0:15:24.476 add up my cash app Venmo, even cash gifts or 0:15:24.476 --> 0:15:28.396 anything of that nature. I would say by now October 0:15:28.836 --> 0:15:33.236 it would be close to fifty km. And that's just 0:15:33.356 --> 0:15:37.796 me a just throwing a number out there, because there's 0:15:37.836 --> 0:15:40.836 so many things from session deposits, from when I'm having 0:15:40.836 --> 0:15:45.476 sessions Skype online, things from when I'm doing that. There's 0:15:45.476 --> 0:15:47.996 even things such as night flirt, which is phone sex operation, 0:15:48.036 --> 0:15:49.636 but there are subs that want to be humiliate on 0:15:49.676 --> 0:15:54.636 the phone. So there's so many different avenues of revenue 0:15:54.796 --> 0:15:57.596 that are coming in. Yeah, and that's like such a 0:15:57.716 --> 0:16:00.956 key part of being on top of your finances. Something 0:16:00.996 --> 0:16:03.356 I'm trying to work on. It's like having different income 0:16:03.436 --> 0:16:06.916 streams and it's like taking me so long to realize, 0:16:07.036 --> 0:16:12.356 like I shouldn't just work at one job, like you know, yeah, 0:16:12.436 --> 0:16:14.116 like that's how That's how I saw myself. Like I 0:16:14.156 --> 0:16:16.716 came in as a financial dominatrix, but I was just like, Okay, 0:16:16.876 --> 0:16:19.836 what happens when maybe one day something happens and I 0:16:19.876 --> 0:16:22.156 can't do this anymore or it gets tired of or whatever. 0:16:22.236 --> 0:16:25.276 Like that's why now I'm working on a lingerie line. 0:16:25.316 --> 0:16:27.236 So I want to get back into fashion. So it'll 0:16:27.236 --> 0:16:30.036 just come back full circate and it'll be advertised to 0:16:30.116 --> 0:16:32.436 sex workers. So it's like it's going to be a 0:16:32.476 --> 0:16:35.516 lingerie line finally buy a sex worker for sex worker 0:16:35.596 --> 0:16:37.596 while so it's like, you know, just trying to have 0:16:37.636 --> 0:16:40.636 those different streams of bringing everything back full circle, right, 0:16:41.276 --> 0:16:45.516 And I mean you mentioned like something about you know, 0:16:45.636 --> 0:16:47.316 this may not be what you want to do forever, 0:16:47.676 --> 0:16:50.076 Like do you think about, like, you know, where does 0:16:50.076 --> 0:16:51.796 this lead to? Like is there going to come a 0:16:51.876 --> 0:16:53.476 point in time where you're like, I don't want to 0:16:53.476 --> 0:16:56.396 do this anymore? And do you I don't know, do 0:16:56.436 --> 0:16:58.796 you have a thought about like what's kind of the 0:16:58.836 --> 0:17:01.036 future of this for you? I think for me, it 0:17:01.036 --> 0:17:05.036 depends on where the culture of kink and bdsm's goming. 0:17:05.076 --> 0:17:07.916 Like right now, it's really really big and popular because 0:17:07.916 --> 0:17:10.196 it's been shown in pop culture very much so lately, 0:17:10.276 --> 0:17:14.556 whether it's a Netflix show, whether it's like um, these 0:17:14.716 --> 0:17:16.996 artists and their music videos wearing leather and late texts, 0:17:17.036 --> 0:17:20.156 things of that nature. But I think I'll be in 0:17:20.156 --> 0:17:21.836 a space where I always will want to be a 0:17:21.916 --> 0:17:24.556 kink educator throwing events because I get so much like 0:17:24.676 --> 0:17:27.996 joy from throwing events and doing things but will I 0:17:28.036 --> 0:17:31.916 be ninety years old still whipping someone in a dungeon? Depends. 0:17:39.476 --> 0:17:42.876 I'm so impressed. Like the amount of money you're making 0:17:43.356 --> 0:17:45.356 sounds like, you know, at least one hundred and fifty 0:17:45.436 --> 0:17:49.396 K at least you know that's only as of October. 0:17:50.036 --> 0:17:52.676 Is definitely a far cry from the forty five K 0:17:52.796 --> 0:17:56.956 you were making before. What what has this allowed you 0:17:56.996 --> 0:18:00.116 to achieve financially that you might not have been able 0:18:00.156 --> 0:18:03.196 to tang otherwise? Oh wow? So I came from a 0:18:03.236 --> 0:18:07.916 family of six kids. My mom and dad are still married, 0:18:08.076 --> 0:18:10.636 So I came from a family of We didn't really 0:18:10.636 --> 0:18:13.956 have money to do a lot of extracurricular things. For instance, 0:18:14.116 --> 0:18:16.356 I'm going to Disney on Wednesday. Never been to Disney 0:18:16.516 --> 0:18:18.356 in my life, like, and you know, I'm going as 0:18:18.356 --> 0:18:19.956 an adult, And I wasn't able to do that when 0:18:19.996 --> 0:18:21.476 I was younger because there were so many of us, 0:18:21.476 --> 0:18:23.636 and like you know, we lived in different areas from 0:18:23.636 --> 0:18:27.236 the suburbs to the projects to the outskirts and all 0:18:27.236 --> 0:18:30.636 these different things. So I really didn't grow up with 0:18:30.676 --> 0:18:33.716 a financial knowledge that I needed, did not grow up 0:18:33.716 --> 0:18:37.276 financially responsible, was not taught things of like how to 0:18:37.316 --> 0:18:39.076 do taxes, and how to do this and that and 0:18:39.156 --> 0:18:41.476 apply for loans was really just thrown into it. Like 0:18:41.516 --> 0:18:43.916 that's just how I feel. So Ever, since I've come 0:18:43.956 --> 0:18:46.396 into this career, you know, I've been able to do 0:18:46.476 --> 0:18:48.356 things for myself. I've been able to save money, I've 0:18:48.356 --> 0:18:51.116 been able to keep a nice savings account, and and 0:18:51.396 --> 0:18:54.636 you know, pay things on time and improve my credit 0:18:54.676 --> 0:18:57.316 score and pay off loans and just do all these 0:18:57.316 --> 0:18:59.676 different things that I wasn't able to do. And within that, 0:18:59.716 --> 0:19:01.876 I'm able to help my parents. I'm able to send 0:19:01.876 --> 0:19:03.636 them money, I'm able to just buy them things if 0:19:03.676 --> 0:19:05.916 I want to buy them things. But at the same time, 0:19:05.916 --> 0:19:09.596 while learning that financial responsibility that I didn't have growing 0:19:09.676 --> 0:19:12.356 up from age like when I was in college until 0:19:12.636 --> 0:19:15.396 up until age twenty four, I want to say, so, 0:19:16.396 --> 0:19:19.316 it's really just it's taught me a lot about saving, 0:19:19.716 --> 0:19:21.876 It's taught me a lot about how to deal with 0:19:21.916 --> 0:19:23.836 so much money coming in at once. It's taught me 0:19:23.876 --> 0:19:26.916 about how to get business licenses and how to properly 0:19:26.916 --> 0:19:29.276 do my taxes and report things. It's just things I 0:19:29.276 --> 0:19:31.076 had to learn on my own. But I feel like 0:19:31.116 --> 0:19:32.956 if I hadn't got pushed to this point, I wouldn't 0:19:32.996 --> 0:19:35.876 have like learned it. What are some of your long 0:19:35.996 --> 0:19:39.396 term financial goals? So right now I'm putting money into 0:19:39.396 --> 0:19:41.356 a dungeon I'm trying to build in New York City 0:19:42.036 --> 0:19:44.876 that's gonna be another stream of income. So basically a 0:19:44.996 --> 0:19:47.876 dungeon really where we focus on black sex workers having 0:19:47.876 --> 0:19:50.796 a saved space because we deal a lot. You know, 0:19:50.836 --> 0:19:52.756 even I starting now as a dime, I dealt a 0:19:52.756 --> 0:19:55.156 lot with with a lot of passive aggressiveness and like 0:19:55.556 --> 0:19:58.316 spaces that were mostly white or like white owned or whatever, 0:19:58.396 --> 0:20:00.916 so just really having no spaces for us. So and 0:20:00.956 --> 0:20:02.276 then you know, it's not a lot of dungeons in 0:20:02.276 --> 0:20:03.876 New York. A lot of dungeons got shut down during 0:20:03.876 --> 0:20:07.036 the pandemic. One dungeon that was black owned got shut down. 0:20:07.356 --> 0:20:09.396 So it's just me and my girlfriends who are also 0:20:09.516 --> 0:20:12.556