1 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:21,796 Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm Jacob Goldstein and this is a special bonus 2 00:00:21,796 --> 00:00:24,316 Speaker 1: episode of What's Your Problem. My guest today is my 3 00:00:24,436 --> 00:00:28,996 Speaker 1: allow host of a new podcast called Other People's Pockets. 4 00:00:28,996 --> 00:00:32,436 Speaker 1: Opp to those who love it, Hi, Maya, good morning. Hey, 5 00:00:32,916 --> 00:00:36,916 Speaker 1: nice to talk to you. So you got a new show? 6 00:00:37,356 --> 00:00:39,356 Speaker 1: Give me give me the show? In like one sense, 7 00:00:39,436 --> 00:00:42,476 Speaker 1: what is other People's Pockets? Other People's Pockets is a 8 00:00:42,516 --> 00:00:45,076 Speaker 1: show where I interview people about money. I asked them 9 00:00:45,116 --> 00:00:47,436 Speaker 1: how much money they make, how they feel about that, 10 00:00:47,556 --> 00:00:50,796 Speaker 1: how they got there, and any you know, tips and 11 00:00:50,836 --> 00:00:53,876 Speaker 1: tricks we can learn along the way of their money journey. 12 00:00:54,516 --> 00:00:56,196 Speaker 1: You kind of jumped over it, but I love the 13 00:00:56,436 --> 00:00:58,836 Speaker 1: asking them how much money they make, right, I feel 14 00:00:58,836 --> 00:01:00,236 Speaker 1: like a lot of those other things. I was sure 15 00:01:00,236 --> 00:01:02,556 Speaker 1: I've heard tips and tricks, But how much money do 16 00:01:02,596 --> 00:01:05,836 Speaker 1: you make? Is a great question. Yeah, it's kind of 17 00:01:05,876 --> 00:01:08,716 Speaker 1: the quiet part out loud. It's the thing we all wonder. 18 00:01:08,876 --> 00:01:11,396 Speaker 1: I think there's a reason why we all want to 19 00:01:11,436 --> 00:01:14,356 Speaker 1: look at zillo and look inside other people's homes. I 20 00:01:14,396 --> 00:01:17,396 Speaker 1: think we also want to look inside other people's finances 21 00:01:17,436 --> 00:01:21,516 Speaker 1: because there's a lot that's communicated with just knowing the number. 22 00:01:22,276 --> 00:01:25,356 Speaker 1: I love it so I've heard a few of the 23 00:01:25,956 --> 00:01:28,076 Speaker 1: first episodes that you've been working on, and there's one 24 00:01:28,116 --> 00:01:31,156 Speaker 1: that I found particularly interesting that I want to play today, 25 00:01:31,996 --> 00:01:35,436 Speaker 1: and it's an interview you did with a financial dominate trix. 26 00:01:35,556 --> 00:01:41,516 Speaker 1: So just briefly, what is a financial dominaterix. Some people 27 00:01:41,556 --> 00:01:44,596 Speaker 1: have a kink where the kink itself is to give 28 00:01:44,636 --> 00:01:46,756 Speaker 1: away money, and there's like this loss of power and 29 00:01:47,316 --> 00:01:50,236 Speaker 1: that's their kink. And so the financial dominatrix makes money 30 00:01:50,236 --> 00:01:53,436 Speaker 1: by people just wanting to send the money. Often there's 31 00:01:53,436 --> 00:01:56,956 Speaker 1: nothing sexual, there's nothing physical that happens. That's how they 32 00:01:56,996 --> 00:02:00,636 Speaker 1: make money. Amazing. So I like this interview you did 33 00:02:00,676 --> 00:02:04,796 Speaker 1: with this financial dominatrix, this fin Doom for a few reasons, 34 00:02:04,796 --> 00:02:07,236 Speaker 1: Like one, she actually talks about how much money she makes, 35 00:02:07,236 --> 00:02:09,916 Speaker 1: and like the different sort of revenue channel she has, 36 00:02:10,196 --> 00:02:11,836 Speaker 1: So just the straight up how much do you make? 37 00:02:11,956 --> 00:02:13,556 Speaker 1: Is there? And then also you kind of get this 38 00:02:13,636 --> 00:02:17,436 Speaker 1: meta thing about money, which is why would people want 39 00:02:17,436 --> 00:02:20,636 Speaker 1: to pay her to take their money or whatever to 40 00:02:20,836 --> 00:02:22,716 Speaker 1: give her money. So let's just get to it now. 41 00:02:22,956 --> 00:02:25,916 Speaker 1: Congratulations on your new show, Other People's Pocket. Thank you 42 00:02:25,956 --> 00:02:39,636 Speaker 1: so much, Jacob. Let's listen to the episode, Well Mistress Marley, 43 00:02:39,716 --> 00:02:41,516 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm 44 00:02:41,556 --> 00:02:44,436 Speaker 1: so excited to have you here. Thank you for having me. 45 00:02:45,676 --> 00:02:51,556 Speaker 1: Can you explain what is financial domination and how did 46 00:02:51,596 --> 00:02:56,076 Speaker 1: it become one of your specialties? So basically, financial domination 47 00:02:56,276 --> 00:02:58,956 Speaker 1: is a practice within the BDSM and kink world. It's 48 00:02:58,996 --> 00:03:02,596 Speaker 1: the psychological kink that involves a sub giving the dominant 49 00:03:02,636 --> 00:03:06,316 Speaker 1: party money, whether we call it a tribute, gifts or whatever, 50 00:03:06,436 --> 00:03:10,236 Speaker 1: but the sub basically gets off by giving themselves to 51 00:03:10,396 --> 00:03:14,276 Speaker 1: the dominatrix or the dom financially. Wow. And I mean 52 00:03:15,916 --> 00:03:19,476 Speaker 1: when you explain it, and I think the more that 53 00:03:19,796 --> 00:03:21,556 Speaker 1: I've heard about it, I think a lot of people 54 00:03:21,756 --> 00:03:25,876 Speaker 1: kind of consider it basically a dream job to kind 55 00:03:25,876 --> 00:03:29,396 Speaker 1: of just exist and ask for people to give you 56 00:03:29,436 --> 00:03:32,756 Speaker 1: money and they just give it to you. Yeah, yeah, 57 00:03:32,756 --> 00:03:34,956 Speaker 1: I get that a lot. Everyone's always like is this real? 58 00:03:35,076 --> 00:03:36,676 Speaker 1: When I first came into it, I didn't think it 59 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:38,756 Speaker 1: was real until it started happening and I was like, Oh, 60 00:03:38,796 --> 00:03:42,716 Speaker 1: it's real. And so I'm wondering if you can kind 61 00:03:42,716 --> 00:03:46,596 Speaker 1: of explain more. I mean, as I understand it, you know, 62 00:03:46,676 --> 00:03:49,876 Speaker 1: you have an online presence, people can see pictures and 63 00:03:49,996 --> 00:03:55,676 Speaker 1: videos of you. You ask for tributes sometimes, but you 64 00:03:55,756 --> 00:04:00,996 Speaker 1: also sometimes meet people, these being your your subs or 65 00:04:01,036 --> 00:04:05,156 Speaker 1: your financial submissives in person, right, and sometimes do things 66 00:04:05,156 --> 00:04:08,156 Speaker 1: like take them to an ATM. Yes, yeah, can you 67 00:04:08,196 --> 00:04:11,956 Speaker 1: talk more about what that looks like. Yeah. So you'll 68 00:04:11,996 --> 00:04:14,476 Speaker 1: have some subs that want to meet you in person, 69 00:04:14,516 --> 00:04:17,196 Speaker 1: and we call them fin subs or financial subs. But 70 00:04:17,236 --> 00:04:20,596 Speaker 1: then for the most part, financial domination is online. But 71 00:04:20,636 --> 00:04:22,276 Speaker 1: for those subs that want to meet you, they want 72 00:04:22,276 --> 00:04:24,396 Speaker 1: to do something that we call a cash meet, and 73 00:04:24,436 --> 00:04:26,996 Speaker 1: that's when you are meeting the sub at ATM, you know, 74 00:04:27,076 --> 00:04:29,196 Speaker 1: requesting a certain amount of money they should take out, 75 00:04:29,236 --> 00:04:31,116 Speaker 1: and they hand it to you and either you can 76 00:04:31,356 --> 00:04:35,036 Speaker 1: humiliate them, you can walk away any type of embarrassment 77 00:04:35,036 --> 00:04:37,676 Speaker 1: that they might ask, whatever it is, it's all consensual. 78 00:04:38,036 --> 00:04:40,716 Speaker 1: But there are some in person meetups in this field, 79 00:04:40,836 --> 00:04:43,796 Speaker 1: not always necessary or not always required, but I think 80 00:04:43,796 --> 00:04:46,196 Speaker 1: they're the most fun because it's like, not only are 81 00:04:46,276 --> 00:04:48,036 Speaker 1: you giving me your money, but you're doing it in 82 00:04:48,076 --> 00:04:51,236 Speaker 1: public and I get to humiliate you after I get 83 00:04:51,276 --> 00:04:53,476 Speaker 1: the money. So to me, that's like something I just 84 00:04:53,556 --> 00:04:57,076 Speaker 1: love to do. I'm so like impressed by I think 85 00:04:57,116 --> 00:05:00,316 Speaker 1: I would have so much stage fright and like I'm 86 00:05:00,356 --> 00:05:02,796 Speaker 1: impressed that, like you can just go with it and 87 00:05:02,876 --> 00:05:06,516 Speaker 1: like turn on this side of you, Like do you 88 00:05:06,556 --> 00:05:08,396 Speaker 1: ever have a moment where you're like, I don't know 89 00:05:08,436 --> 00:05:10,716 Speaker 1: if I can do this or are you just totally 90 00:05:10,756 --> 00:05:13,116 Speaker 1: in it? Oh my gosh. Yes. So when I first 91 00:05:13,116 --> 00:05:15,556 Speaker 1: started out, it was like hard for me to really 92 00:05:15,556 --> 00:05:17,076 Speaker 1: get in the mode of knowing, like I'm going to 93 00:05:17,156 --> 00:05:19,036 Speaker 1: humiliate someone because I'm from the South, so I have 94 00:05:19,076 --> 00:05:20,916 Speaker 1: the sweet southern built thing, like I've always been just 95 00:05:20,956 --> 00:05:26,076 Speaker 1: a sweetheart, I think so, and my first ever cashed me. 96 00:05:26,156 --> 00:05:28,716 Speaker 1: I was very very nervous. I'm like, what do I 97 00:05:28,796 --> 00:05:31,156 Speaker 1: say to them? Like what if there becomes a time 98 00:05:31,196 --> 00:05:33,036 Speaker 1: where I paused or don't know what to say and 99 00:05:33,036 --> 00:05:36,796 Speaker 1: we're just awkwardly standing there or whatever. But I got 100 00:05:36,796 --> 00:05:38,516 Speaker 1: into the mode of getting better at it by like 101 00:05:38,556 --> 00:05:41,036 Speaker 1: when I saw the subs, I would imagine somebody I 102 00:05:41,076 --> 00:05:44,756 Speaker 1: really really hate it, especially a man or someone that's 103 00:05:44,796 --> 00:05:46,356 Speaker 1: done me wrong in the past, and it was just 104 00:05:46,436 --> 00:05:49,076 Speaker 1: easier in that way. And then when I realized like, 105 00:05:49,596 --> 00:05:52,276 Speaker 1: not only was I humiliating them and doing something that 106 00:05:52,356 --> 00:05:54,836 Speaker 1: made me feel good, then being humiliated with something that 107 00:05:54,956 --> 00:05:57,476 Speaker 1: made them feel really good. So I was fulfilling something 108 00:05:57,876 --> 00:06:00,596 Speaker 1: inside of them while doing something I had to learn 109 00:06:00,636 --> 00:06:02,556 Speaker 1: how to do and learn how to come into. So 110 00:06:03,236 --> 00:06:05,476 Speaker 1: it's something that yes, I was intimidated at first, and 111 00:06:05,516 --> 00:06:07,356 Speaker 1: a lot of people are intimidated at first when they 112 00:06:07,396 --> 00:06:09,196 Speaker 1: think about it. But it's one of those things that 113 00:06:09,276 --> 00:06:11,316 Speaker 1: once you say that first word of humiliation, you just 114 00:06:11,396 --> 00:06:13,436 Speaker 1: keep going and you can't stop. So it's like you 115 00:06:13,476 --> 00:06:16,596 Speaker 1: get better at it. Yeah, you just have to tap 116 00:06:16,636 --> 00:06:21,556 Speaker 1: into that part of you exactly. So, how how much 117 00:06:21,596 --> 00:06:24,836 Speaker 1: money do you make doing this? Oh? Wow? It depends, 118 00:06:24,836 --> 00:06:28,916 Speaker 1: so like a tribute could range from fifty dollars to 119 00:06:29,036 --> 00:06:31,116 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, and a tribute it's really just what 120 00:06:31,196 --> 00:06:33,676 Speaker 1: a sub gives you to have conversation with you or 121 00:06:33,716 --> 00:06:36,356 Speaker 1: to have access to you. So that doesn't mean like 122 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:38,876 Speaker 1: you have to send back any photos or videos or 123 00:06:39,236 --> 00:06:41,356 Speaker 1: even have a session with them. A tribute is simply 124 00:06:41,396 --> 00:06:44,516 Speaker 1: for appreciation, So those can range from fifty dollars to 125 00:06:44,556 --> 00:06:47,116 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars. And then you get deeper into it 126 00:06:47,156 --> 00:06:49,436 Speaker 1: when you have cash meets, because not only are you 127 00:06:49,436 --> 00:06:51,356 Speaker 1: going to the cash meeting requesting they take out like 128 00:06:51,356 --> 00:06:53,636 Speaker 1: a thousand out the ATM, but you're also getting a 129 00:06:53,676 --> 00:06:56,956 Speaker 1: deposit before that meetup to secure the meetup, and then 130 00:06:56,996 --> 00:06:59,196 Speaker 1: when you get into sessions, it gets even deeper because 131 00:06:59,196 --> 00:07:01,636 Speaker 1: then it's per hour. So like there's been times where 132 00:07:01,676 --> 00:07:03,396 Speaker 1: I've had sessions because, like I said, I'm a pro 133 00:07:03,476 --> 00:07:06,036 Speaker 1: dominatric too, so I do the typical dom things of 134 00:07:06,116 --> 00:07:09,556 Speaker 1: like whipping and you know, foot worship and all those things. 135 00:07:09,556 --> 00:07:11,916 Speaker 1: So once you get into that, it can be upward 136 00:07:11,916 --> 00:07:15,436 Speaker 1: of nine hundred hour, thousand an hour, whatever it may be. 137 00:07:15,476 --> 00:07:18,036 Speaker 1: But I've gotten to the point where me being a 138 00:07:18,076 --> 00:07:20,716 Speaker 1: financial dominatrix has done so well for me that I 139 00:07:20,756 --> 00:07:22,956 Speaker 1: was able to quit my nine to five last year 140 00:07:23,036 --> 00:07:28,876 Speaker 1: last January. Wow, congratulations, thank you, thank you. How much 141 00:07:28,916 --> 00:07:32,436 Speaker 1: money were you making your previous job. It was really 142 00:07:32,516 --> 00:07:35,716 Speaker 1: just an entry level like forty five K a year 143 00:07:36,036 --> 00:07:38,596 Speaker 1: type salary, so you know, it was enough to get 144 00:07:38,596 --> 00:07:40,436 Speaker 1: by and live in New York with roommates and things 145 00:07:40,436 --> 00:07:42,796 Speaker 1: of that nature. But it was definitely not something I 146 00:07:42,916 --> 00:07:44,996 Speaker 1: was happy in. It was something where even on my 147 00:07:45,076 --> 00:07:47,436 Speaker 1: lunch break, I was going to see subs on ATM 148 00:07:47,516 --> 00:07:53,676 Speaker 1: meet up while I was like working exactly exactly, or 149 00:07:53,716 --> 00:07:56,876 Speaker 1: I'd be on my laptop, like you know, putting out 150 00:07:56,916 --> 00:07:59,316 Speaker 1: ads or doing little things or editing pictures or whatever. 151 00:07:59,356 --> 00:08:01,516 Speaker 1: So I always was just like ready to leave that 152 00:08:01,636 --> 00:08:05,516 Speaker 1: job or whatever. So yeah, it wasn't it wasn't what 153 00:08:05,596 --> 00:08:08,876 Speaker 1: I needed. And I mean, you have a master's degree 154 00:08:09,156 --> 00:08:12,876 Speaker 1: in fashion marketing, so I imagine that that's helped you 155 00:08:13,156 --> 00:08:16,276 Speaker 1: in your line of work now in terms of marketing, Like, 156 00:08:16,356 --> 00:08:19,676 Speaker 1: can you talk about like what that degree has helped 157 00:08:19,676 --> 00:08:23,436 Speaker 1: you with? Yeah, for sure. So, like my bachelor's degree 158 00:08:23,516 --> 00:08:24,956 Speaker 1: was in fashion design, and then I moved to New 159 00:08:25,036 --> 00:08:26,916 Speaker 1: York to learn more about the business of fashion. So 160 00:08:26,956 --> 00:08:30,276 Speaker 1: I got my master's degree in fashion marketing, and that's 161 00:08:30,276 --> 00:08:32,756 Speaker 1: helped me learn my niche market That's helped me learn 162 00:08:32,876 --> 00:08:35,836 Speaker 1: like how to advertise pictures, what time of the day 163 00:08:35,876 --> 00:08:39,756 Speaker 1: to advertise, who to advertise too. Even if I'm just 164 00:08:39,876 --> 00:08:42,076 Speaker 1: having classes for other people that want to learn how 165 00:08:42,116 --> 00:08:44,716 Speaker 1: to be doms is setting a price for that and 166 00:08:44,996 --> 00:08:47,716 Speaker 1: what I offer with that. I mean I even throw events, 167 00:08:47,916 --> 00:08:50,076 Speaker 1: so I throw brunches for women that want to learn 168 00:08:50,076 --> 00:08:53,236 Speaker 1: how to do this stuff. So it's me being able 169 00:08:53,276 --> 00:08:55,116 Speaker 1: to do all this marketing. And my friends always call 170 00:08:55,156 --> 00:08:57,476 Speaker 1: me a marketing beast, like they can't understand how I'm 171 00:08:57,476 --> 00:09:00,276 Speaker 1: like always going, going, going, it's like, because you know, 172 00:09:00,276 --> 00:09:02,356 Speaker 1: in my corporate world, when I was working in corporate, 173 00:09:02,596 --> 00:09:04,076 Speaker 1: that's something I just had to do in a daily 174 00:09:04,156 --> 00:09:07,196 Speaker 1: So why not incorporated into what I'm doing now? Right? 175 00:09:07,996 --> 00:09:09,596 Speaker 1: You know a lot of your clients, I think you've 176 00:09:09,636 --> 00:09:13,356 Speaker 1: mentioned our CEOs, there are Wall Street types. They're high 177 00:09:13,396 --> 00:09:17,556 Speaker 1: powered men in high powered jobs. Do you get a 178 00:09:17,596 --> 00:09:22,276 Speaker 1: sense from them about why exactly they're interested in giving 179 00:09:22,316 --> 00:09:25,876 Speaker 1: away their money and also in being dominated? I think 180 00:09:25,876 --> 00:09:30,076 Speaker 1: for them it's the lack of power that they're having 181 00:09:30,076 --> 00:09:33,076 Speaker 1: with me. So they're so used to being in charge. 182 00:09:33,156 --> 00:09:35,116 Speaker 1: Like you said, they're CEOs and things of that nature, 183 00:09:35,156 --> 00:09:37,196 Speaker 1: so they're so used to being in charge and calling 184 00:09:37,196 --> 00:09:39,396 Speaker 1: the shots and this and that. But when they come 185 00:09:39,436 --> 00:09:42,556 Speaker 1: to me, none of that exists. It's all about me. 186 00:09:42,756 --> 00:09:45,316 Speaker 1: I call the shots, I make the schedule. I tell 187 00:09:45,356 --> 00:09:46,956 Speaker 1: you when you need to be bowing to me or 188 00:09:46,996 --> 00:09:49,236 Speaker 1: giving to me or sending to me. And for them 189 00:09:49,236 --> 00:09:51,996 Speaker 1: it's just like, wow, I'm really being told something by 190 00:09:52,036 --> 00:09:54,516 Speaker 1: someone that a is not only younger than me, but 191 00:09:54,676 --> 00:09:57,916 Speaker 1: someone that is very dominant and I might not be 192 00:09:57,996 --> 00:09:59,796 Speaker 1: used to this. So I think they get off to 193 00:09:59,876 --> 00:10:01,996 Speaker 1: just have from that lack of control, Like, oh, I 194 00:10:01,996 --> 00:10:03,996 Speaker 1: can't control what's going on right now. I can't tell 195 00:10:04,036 --> 00:10:05,756 Speaker 1: them that they need to shut up and listen to me, 196 00:10:05,836 --> 00:10:07,716 Speaker 1: Like I have to shut up and listen to them. 197 00:10:07,916 --> 00:10:11,676 Speaker 1: And what about when it's just them sending you money 198 00:10:11,796 --> 00:10:13,916 Speaker 1: and like there's no real back and forth, but it's 199 00:10:13,996 --> 00:10:18,116 Speaker 1: just money appears in your account, Like what what's side about? 200 00:10:18,116 --> 00:10:20,276 Speaker 1: Do you think? Oh, that's even better? And actually if they, 201 00:10:20,556 --> 00:10:22,156 Speaker 1: if more of them could send me money and not 202 00:10:22,236 --> 00:10:25,516 Speaker 1: say anything to me, oh life will be made. But 203 00:10:26,236 --> 00:10:29,036 Speaker 1: we get a lot of silent senders and financial domination. 204 00:10:29,076 --> 00:10:31,716 Speaker 1: Those are people that send money you don't know where 205 00:10:31,716 --> 00:10:33,236 Speaker 1: it came from. They'll never tell you like oh I 206 00:10:33,276 --> 00:10:35,196 Speaker 1: sent or whatever. I had once cup that was doing 207 00:10:35,196 --> 00:10:37,556 Speaker 1: that for a long time. Now I realized who he 208 00:10:37,676 --> 00:10:39,396 Speaker 1: was and I'll you know, I entered his DM, like 209 00:10:39,396 --> 00:10:41,276 Speaker 1: you know, because he had been a long time sender, 210 00:10:41,316 --> 00:10:43,116 Speaker 1: and I was like, what are your fetishes? What are 211 00:10:43,116 --> 00:10:44,756 Speaker 1: your kink? And he was literally just like I'm not 212 00:10:44,996 --> 00:10:46,436 Speaker 1: into any of that. I just want to send you 213 00:10:46,476 --> 00:10:47,996 Speaker 1: money or whatever, and I would just like to keep 214 00:10:47,996 --> 00:10:50,436 Speaker 1: it like silent. I was like perfect, Like that's perfect 215 00:10:50,476 --> 00:10:52,316 Speaker 1: for me, But I think for a lot of them 216 00:10:52,476 --> 00:10:54,876 Speaker 1: is to them, I guess it gives them a thrill 217 00:10:54,916 --> 00:10:56,436 Speaker 1: of knowing, like, oh my god, I just sent money 218 00:10:56,436 --> 00:10:58,116 Speaker 1: to a stranger on the other side of the world 219 00:10:58,116 --> 00:10:59,476 Speaker 1: and I'm never going to see them and they don't 220 00:10:59,516 --> 00:11:00,876 Speaker 1: have to talk to me, but I sent it and 221 00:11:00,916 --> 00:11:03,276 Speaker 1: it's out of my wallet. Like I think for them, 222 00:11:03,276 --> 00:11:05,236 Speaker 1: it's the thought of if I told someone this, they 223 00:11:05,236 --> 00:11:07,116 Speaker 1: would look at me like I was crazy, you know. 224 00:11:07,316 --> 00:11:11,276 Speaker 1: So it's it's different things that, you know make them 225 00:11:11,516 --> 00:11:31,796 Speaker 1: feel great or fulfilled. You mentioned like you have this 226 00:11:31,876 --> 00:11:35,116 Speaker 1: whole business and I'm curious more about your business model, 227 00:11:35,156 --> 00:11:39,276 Speaker 1: like you have a segment where you do financial domination. 228 00:11:40,396 --> 00:11:44,756 Speaker 1: You also do in person dominate tricks like what people 229 00:11:44,796 --> 00:11:48,116 Speaker 1: classically think of dominate tricks set up being you have 230 00:11:48,316 --> 00:11:52,476 Speaker 1: these brunches. You mentioned you have classes, Like can you 231 00:11:52,516 --> 00:11:54,156 Speaker 1: tell us kind of how it all breaks out, Like 232 00:11:54,156 --> 00:11:55,916 Speaker 1: what do you make the most money off of? What 233 00:11:55,956 --> 00:11:58,556 Speaker 1: do you make the least money off of? I would 234 00:11:58,596 --> 00:12:01,796 Speaker 1: have to say that I make the most money off 235 00:12:01,916 --> 00:12:07,116 Speaker 1: of my in person sessions and my online courses because 236 00:12:07,236 --> 00:12:09,756 Speaker 1: everyone wants to do everything online. Yes, I still have 237 00:12:09,796 --> 00:12:12,516 Speaker 1: successful in person events, but there's an online option. Of course, 238 00:12:12,516 --> 00:12:15,716 Speaker 1: everyone's going to take it just to be safe. I 239 00:12:15,756 --> 00:12:17,836 Speaker 1: will say I make a good amount of money with 240 00:12:17,916 --> 00:12:21,436 Speaker 1: my in person events and things of that nature, but 241 00:12:21,476 --> 00:12:23,596 Speaker 1: it just takes so much to put those together, like 242 00:12:23,636 --> 00:12:28,356 Speaker 1: you know, finding a venue, getting caterers, getting decorations, all 243 00:12:28,356 --> 00:12:31,036 Speaker 1: those different types of things. So it's just like I 244 00:12:31,156 --> 00:12:33,636 Speaker 1: try to make myself accessible in different ways because I 245 00:12:33,716 --> 00:12:36,276 Speaker 1: realize that what I'm doing is something that a lot 246 00:12:36,316 --> 00:12:39,036 Speaker 1: of people are curious about but are scared to jump into. 247 00:12:39,516 --> 00:12:41,556 Speaker 1: So of course, you might not have those people that 248 00:12:41,596 --> 00:12:44,076 Speaker 1: can show face at a public event like this because 249 00:12:44,076 --> 00:12:46,276 Speaker 1: at my brunches, I have subs there and we actually 250 00:12:46,596 --> 00:12:48,716 Speaker 1: like practice on them and things of that nature. But 251 00:12:48,796 --> 00:12:50,756 Speaker 1: you might have people that work in nine to five 252 00:12:50,836 --> 00:12:52,476 Speaker 1: jobs where they might be like, Okay, I don't want 253 00:12:52,516 --> 00:12:54,556 Speaker 1: to be seen in public at an event like this. 254 00:12:55,036 --> 00:12:57,636 Speaker 1: But that's why I offer the online events because they can, 255 00:12:57,756 --> 00:12:59,916 Speaker 1: you know, have the freedom to be online and learn 256 00:12:59,996 --> 00:13:01,516 Speaker 1: and not really have to show their face or be 257 00:13:01,556 --> 00:13:04,756 Speaker 1: out in the public. Right Well, I mean along those lines, 258 00:13:04,756 --> 00:13:07,796 Speaker 1: like I kind of wanted to ask you, sex work 259 00:13:07,956 --> 00:13:10,436 Speaker 1: is this thing that we go with glamorize and at 260 00:13:10,436 --> 00:13:12,836 Speaker 1: the same time society kind of doesn't know what to 261 00:13:12,836 --> 00:13:15,356 Speaker 1: do with And I'm wondering, like, what are some of 262 00:13:15,396 --> 00:13:19,156 Speaker 1: the pitfalls of this career choice for you. I think 263 00:13:19,156 --> 00:13:23,196 Speaker 1: some of the pitfalls is like the constant judgment stereotypes, 264 00:13:24,236 --> 00:13:26,636 Speaker 1: having to really explain your work, and having to explain 265 00:13:26,716 --> 00:13:29,956 Speaker 1: that sex work is work, even when people just when 266 00:13:29,996 --> 00:13:32,316 Speaker 1: I'm out at the bars or clubs, you know, the 267 00:13:32,596 --> 00:13:34,916 Speaker 1: typical conversations like what do you do for work or whatever, like, 268 00:13:35,036 --> 00:13:36,956 Speaker 1: and I'm someone that's always been so sture myself that 269 00:13:36,956 --> 00:13:38,436 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hide what I do, but I'll tell 270 00:13:38,476 --> 00:13:41,356 Speaker 1: them I'm a dominatrix, and it's just right away, it's oh, 271 00:13:41,396 --> 00:13:44,236 Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's weird, like or like, oh, you're not 272 00:13:44,276 --> 00:13:46,196 Speaker 1: gonna beat me right now. I'm like okay, Like why 273 00:13:46,236 --> 00:13:50,076 Speaker 1: would I start beating you at the bar? Like yeah. 274 00:13:50,116 --> 00:13:53,836 Speaker 1: But it's getting those stereotypes. It's like having to really 275 00:13:53,876 --> 00:13:58,396 Speaker 1: explain yourself, and you know, having to realize that our 276 00:13:58,516 --> 00:14:00,756 Speaker 1: job isn't normal jobs, as much as we try to 277 00:14:00,756 --> 00:14:03,916 Speaker 1: normalize it. Yes, like we can say that it's normal 278 00:14:03,956 --> 00:14:06,196 Speaker 1: for us, but for other people will never be perceived 279 00:14:06,276 --> 00:14:09,316 Speaker 1: as that. So it's just always having to find where 280 00:14:09,316 --> 00:14:11,076 Speaker 1: we fit in or just feel like we're really fighting 281 00:14:11,076 --> 00:14:14,196 Speaker 1: to just be heard. You know, right, yeah, And I 282 00:14:14,196 --> 00:14:16,756 Speaker 1: mean it feels like you're like you've done a lot 283 00:14:16,796 --> 00:14:19,796 Speaker 1: of thinking and planning in terms of keeping your personal 284 00:14:19,796 --> 00:14:23,796 Speaker 1: life separate and also just in preparing to even get 285 00:14:23,836 --> 00:14:29,676 Speaker 1: in this industry exactly. So you mentioned how much tributes 286 00:14:29,796 --> 00:14:31,716 Speaker 1: could be. I mean, can you can you give us 287 00:14:31,716 --> 00:14:34,156 Speaker 1: a sense? I notice on Twitter you recently posted you 288 00:14:34,156 --> 00:14:38,236 Speaker 1: out of total sales of one hundred five thousand dollars 289 00:14:38,276 --> 00:14:42,956 Speaker 1: to date and we're in October this year. Can you 290 00:14:42,996 --> 00:14:46,716 Speaker 1: say like kind of what the total for the year 291 00:14:46,836 --> 00:14:50,436 Speaker 1: might be like of all the things you do? So 292 00:14:51,076 --> 00:14:53,516 Speaker 1: the sales I posted on Twitter just today are sales 293 00:14:53,556 --> 00:14:57,436 Speaker 1: from like my brunches and Zoom courses and like any 294 00:14:57,436 --> 00:14:59,356 Speaker 1: type of party I throw. So that's been all those 295 00:14:59,356 --> 00:15:02,356 Speaker 1: sales for that. When it comes to like my financial 296 00:15:02,396 --> 00:15:05,196 Speaker 1: domination and things of that nature, a lot of those 297 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:08,276 Speaker 1: tributes and things are gifts through cash at or gifts 298 00:15:08,276 --> 00:15:10,316 Speaker 1: through Vemo. Like it's like if your friend was to 299 00:15:10,356 --> 00:15:13,396 Speaker 1: send you eight hundred dollars on cash app for their 300 00:15:13,436 --> 00:15:15,316 Speaker 1: portion of the rent. That's how it is when it's 301 00:15:15,316 --> 00:15:18,556 Speaker 1: getting sent to me on cash App. So I would say, 302 00:15:18,596 --> 00:15:21,076 Speaker 1: aside from that, if I was to mentally try to 303 00:15:21,076 --> 00:15:24,476 Speaker 1: add up my cash app Venmo, even cash gifts or 304 00:15:24,476 --> 00:15:28,396 Speaker 1: anything of that nature. I would say by now October 305 00:15:28,836 --> 00:15:33,236 Speaker 1: it would be close to fifty km. And that's just 306 00:15:33,356 --> 00:15:37,796 Speaker 1: me a just throwing a number out there, because there's 307 00:15:37,836 --> 00:15:40,836 Speaker 1: so many things from session deposits, from when I'm having 308 00:15:40,836 --> 00:15:45,476 Speaker 1: sessions Skype online, things from when I'm doing that. There's 309 00:15:45,476 --> 00:15:47,996 Speaker 1: even things such as night flirt, which is phone sex operation, 310 00:15:48,036 --> 00:15:49,636 Speaker 1: but there are subs that want to be humiliate on 311 00:15:49,676 --> 00:15:54,636 Speaker 1: the phone. So there's so many different avenues of revenue 312 00:15:54,796 --> 00:15:57,596 Speaker 1: that are coming in. Yeah, and that's like such a 313 00:15:57,716 --> 00:16:00,956 Speaker 1: key part of being on top of your finances. Something 314 00:16:00,996 --> 00:16:03,356 Speaker 1: I'm trying to work on. It's like having different income 315 00:16:03,436 --> 00:16:06,916 Speaker 1: streams and it's like taking me so long to realize, 316 00:16:07,036 --> 00:16:12,356 Speaker 1: like I shouldn't just work at one job, like you know, yeah, 317 00:16:12,436 --> 00:16:14,116 Speaker 1: like that's how That's how I saw myself. Like I 318 00:16:14,156 --> 00:16:16,716 Speaker 1: came in as a financial dominatrix, but I was just like, Okay, 319 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:19,836 Speaker 1: what happens when maybe one day something happens and I 320 00:16:19,876 --> 00:16:22,156 Speaker 1: can't do this anymore or it gets tired of or whatever. 321 00:16:22,236 --> 00:16:25,276 Speaker 1: Like that's why now I'm working on a lingerie line. 322 00:16:25,316 --> 00:16:27,236 Speaker 1: So I want to get back into fashion. So it'll 323 00:16:27,236 --> 00:16:30,036 Speaker 1: just come back full circate and it'll be advertised to 324 00:16:30,116 --> 00:16:32,436 Speaker 1: sex workers. So it's like it's going to be a 325 00:16:32,476 --> 00:16:35,516 Speaker 1: lingerie line finally buy a sex worker for sex worker 326 00:16:35,596 --> 00:16:37,596 Speaker 1: while so it's like, you know, just trying to have 327 00:16:37,636 --> 00:16:40,636 Speaker 1: those different streams of bringing everything back full circle, right, 328 00:16:41,276 --> 00:16:45,516 Speaker 1: And I mean you mentioned like something about you know, 329 00:16:45,636 --> 00:16:47,316 Speaker 1: this may not be what you want to do forever, 330 00:16:47,676 --> 00:16:50,076 Speaker 1: Like do you think about, like, you know, where does 331 00:16:50,076 --> 00:16:51,796 Speaker 1: this lead to? Like is there going to come a 332 00:16:51,876 --> 00:16:53,476 Speaker 1: point in time where you're like, I don't want to 333 00:16:53,476 --> 00:16:56,396 Speaker 1: do this anymore? And do you I don't know, do 334 00:16:56,436 --> 00:16:58,796 Speaker 1: you have a thought about like what's kind of the 335 00:16:58,836 --> 00:17:01,036 Speaker 1: future of this for you? I think for me, it 336 00:17:01,036 --> 00:17:05,036 Speaker 1: depends on where the culture of kink and bdsm's goming. 337 00:17:05,076 --> 00:17:07,916 Speaker 1: Like right now, it's really really big and popular because 338 00:17:07,916 --> 00:17:10,196 Speaker 1: it's been shown in pop culture very much so lately, 339 00:17:10,276 --> 00:17:14,556 Speaker 1: whether it's a Netflix show, whether it's like um, these 340 00:17:14,716 --> 00:17:16,996 Speaker 1: artists and their music videos wearing leather and late texts, 341 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:20,156 Speaker 1: things of that nature. But I think I'll be in 342 00:17:20,156 --> 00:17:21,836 Speaker 1: a space where I always will want to be a 343 00:17:21,916 --> 00:17:24,556 Speaker 1: kink educator throwing events because I get so much like 344 00:17:24,676 --> 00:17:27,996 Speaker 1: joy from throwing events and doing things but will I 345 00:17:28,036 --> 00:17:31,916 Speaker 1: be ninety years old still whipping someone in a dungeon? Depends. 346 00:17:39,476 --> 00:17:42,876 Speaker 1: I'm so impressed. Like the amount of money you're making 347 00:17:43,356 --> 00:17:45,356 Speaker 1: sounds like, you know, at least one hundred and fifty 348 00:17:45,436 --> 00:17:49,396 Speaker 1: K at least you know that's only as of October. 349 00:17:50,036 --> 00:17:52,676 Speaker 1: Is definitely a far cry from the forty five K 350 00:17:52,796 --> 00:17:56,956 Speaker 1: you were making before. What what has this allowed you 351 00:17:56,996 --> 00:18:00,116 Speaker 1: to achieve financially that you might not have been able 352 00:18:00,156 --> 00:18:03,196 Speaker 1: to tang otherwise? Oh wow? So I came from a 353 00:18:03,236 --> 00:18:07,916 Speaker 1: family of six kids. My mom and dad are still married, 354 00:18:08,076 --> 00:18:10,636 Speaker 1: So I came from a family of We didn't really 355 00:18:10,636 --> 00:18:13,956 Speaker 1: have money to do a lot of extracurricular things. For instance, 356 00:18:14,116 --> 00:18:16,356 Speaker 1: I'm going to Disney on Wednesday. Never been to Disney 357 00:18:16,516 --> 00:18:18,356 Speaker 1: in my life, like, and you know, I'm going as 358 00:18:18,356 --> 00:18:19,956 Speaker 1: an adult, And I wasn't able to do that when 359 00:18:19,996 --> 00:18:21,476 Speaker 1: I was younger because there were so many of us, 360 00:18:21,476 --> 00:18:23,636 Speaker 1: and like you know, we lived in different areas from 361 00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:27,236 Speaker 1: the suburbs to the projects to the outskirts and all 362 00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:30,636 Speaker 1: these different things. So I really didn't grow up with 363 00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:33,716 Speaker 1: a financial knowledge that I needed, did not grow up 364 00:18:33,716 --> 00:18:37,276 Speaker 1: financially responsible, was not taught things of like how to 365 00:18:37,316 --> 00:18:39,076 Speaker 1: do taxes, and how to do this and that and 366 00:18:39,156 --> 00:18:41,476 Speaker 1: apply for loans was really just thrown into it. Like 367 00:18:41,516 --> 00:18:43,916 Speaker 1: that's just how I feel. So Ever, since I've come 368 00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:46,396 Speaker 1: into this career, you know, I've been able to do 369 00:18:46,476 --> 00:18:48,356 Speaker 1: things for myself. I've been able to save money, I've 370 00:18:48,356 --> 00:18:51,116 Speaker 1: been able to keep a nice savings account, and and 371 00:18:51,396 --> 00:18:54,636 Speaker 1: you know, pay things on time and improve my credit 372 00:18:54,676 --> 00:18:57,316 Speaker 1: score and pay off loans and just do all these 373 00:18:57,316 --> 00:18:59,676 Speaker 1: different things that I wasn't able to do. And within that, 374 00:18:59,716 --> 00:19:01,876 Speaker 1: I'm able to help my parents. I'm able to send 375 00:19:01,876 --> 00:19:03,636 Speaker 1: them money, I'm able to just buy them things if 376 00:19:03,676 --> 00:19:05,916 Speaker 1: I want to buy them things. But at the same time, 377 00:19:05,916 --> 00:19:09,596 Speaker 1: while learning that financial responsibility that I didn't have growing 378 00:19:09,676 --> 00:19:12,356 Speaker 1: up from age like when I was in college until 379 00:19:12,636 --> 00:19:15,396 Speaker 1: up until age twenty four, I want to say, so, 380 00:19:16,396 --> 00:19:19,316 Speaker 1: it's really just it's taught me a lot about saving, 381 00:19:19,716 --> 00:19:21,876 Speaker 1: It's taught me a lot about how to deal with 382 00:19:21,916 --> 00:19:23,836 Speaker 1: so much money coming in at once. It's taught me 383 00:19:23,876 --> 00:19:26,916 Speaker 1: about how to get business licenses and how to properly 384 00:19:26,916 --> 00:19:29,276 Speaker 1: do my taxes and report things. It's just things I 385 00:19:29,276 --> 00:19:31,076 Speaker 1: had to learn on my own. But I feel like 386 00:19:31,116 --> 00:19:32,956 Speaker 1: if I hadn't got pushed to this point, I wouldn't 387 00:19:32,996 --> 00:19:35,876 Speaker 1: have like learned it. What are some of your long 388 00:19:35,996 --> 00:19:39,396 Speaker 1: term financial goals? So right now I'm putting money into 389 00:19:39,396 --> 00:19:41,356 Speaker 1: a dungeon I'm trying to build in New York City 390 00:19:42,036 --> 00:19:44,876 Speaker 1: that's gonna be another stream of income. So basically a 391 00:19:44,996 --> 00:19:47,876 Speaker 1: dungeon really where we focus on black sex workers having 392 00:19:47,876 --> 00:19:50,796 Speaker 1: a saved space because we deal a lot. You know, 393 00:19:50,836 --> 00:19:52,756 Speaker 1: even I starting now as a dime, I dealt a 394 00:19:52,756 --> 00:19:55,156 Speaker 1: lot with with a lot of passive aggressiveness and like 395 00:19:55,556 --> 00:19:58,316 Speaker 1: spaces that were mostly white or like white owned or whatever, 396 00:19:58,396 --> 00:20:00,916 Speaker 1: so just really having no spaces for us. So and 397 00:20:00,956 --> 00:20:02,276 Speaker 1: then you know, it's not a lot of dungeons in 398 00:20:02,276 --> 00:20:03,876 Speaker 1: New York. A lot of dungeons got shut down during 399 00:20:03,876 --> 00:20:07,036 Speaker 1: the pandemic. One dungeon that was black owned got shut down. 400 00:20:07,356 --> 00:20:09,396 Speaker 1: So it's just me and my girlfriends who are also 401 00:20:09,516 --> 00:20:12,556 Speaker 1: doms putting this dungeon together. So it's for me to 402 00:20:12,556 --> 00:20:15,036 Speaker 1: put my money into that long term. And also I 403 00:20:15,076 --> 00:20:17,516 Speaker 1: want to start a school like a Dominatrice Academy with 404 00:20:17,876 --> 00:20:20,796 Speaker 1: you know, tuitions and semesters and all these different things. 405 00:20:20,836 --> 00:20:23,236 Speaker 1: So I think it's just me always thinking how can 406 00:20:23,276 --> 00:20:25,796 Speaker 1: I give back to the community that supports me so much? 407 00:20:25,836 --> 00:20:27,836 Speaker 1: All the time, like, how can I give back to 408 00:20:27,876 --> 00:20:31,076 Speaker 1: them all at once? So my long term goal is 409 00:20:31,156 --> 00:20:36,316 Speaker 1: always financially, is always about healing and building within the community. 410 00:20:36,436 --> 00:20:38,076 Speaker 1: So I feel like, as long as you heal and 411 00:20:38,156 --> 00:20:40,996 Speaker 1: build and put money into the community, the universe will 412 00:20:41,036 --> 00:20:44,316 Speaker 1: always give back. You know, You'll always be you always 413 00:20:44,316 --> 00:20:46,276 Speaker 1: have abundance, You'll always be able to move how you 414 00:20:46,316 --> 00:20:48,116 Speaker 1: need to move. So those are pretty much my long 415 00:20:48,236 --> 00:21:01,036 Speaker 1: term goals. So many of your clients are white men, Yes, 416 00:21:01,236 --> 00:21:05,636 Speaker 1: And one of the paddles that you spank people with 417 00:21:06,036 --> 00:21:10,756 Speaker 1: says reparations on it. Yes, do you explicitly talk about 418 00:21:10,796 --> 00:21:15,436 Speaker 1: reparations with your white male clients? I do. I definitely do. 419 00:21:15,516 --> 00:21:19,316 Speaker 1: So I do a lot of reparations plays what we call. 420 00:21:19,516 --> 00:21:21,956 Speaker 1: I do a lot of making them like do research 421 00:21:22,036 --> 00:21:29,036 Speaker 1: on black women or black women in power or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, 422 00:21:29,076 --> 00:21:31,596 Speaker 1: So I give them homework or either even just make 423 00:21:31,636 --> 00:21:34,996 Speaker 1: them research me and do a paperwork on me and 424 00:21:35,116 --> 00:21:36,916 Speaker 1: who I am. I'm like, like a lot of my 425 00:21:36,916 --> 00:21:38,636 Speaker 1: subs when they approach I'm like, if you want to 426 00:21:38,636 --> 00:21:40,956 Speaker 1: approach me and serve me, like you're saying, like I 427 00:21:40,996 --> 00:21:43,596 Speaker 1: want you to want to serve me beyond what you're 428 00:21:43,596 --> 00:21:45,356 Speaker 1: seeing in the images and that you think I'm beautiful 429 00:21:45,356 --> 00:21:47,036 Speaker 1: and I'm high, Okay, anyone can say that. It's like, 430 00:21:47,076 --> 00:21:49,596 Speaker 1: I want you to really study who I am and 431 00:21:49,676 --> 00:21:51,636 Speaker 1: what I like so that you can properly serve me, 432 00:21:51,716 --> 00:21:53,556 Speaker 1: you know, so that it's not just something you're doing 433 00:21:53,876 --> 00:21:55,636 Speaker 1: out of boredom or because you have some extra money 434 00:21:55,676 --> 00:21:58,476 Speaker 1: to spend today, you know. So I do a lot 435 00:21:58,476 --> 00:22:00,876 Speaker 1: of just educating them. And I also run a group 436 00:22:00,916 --> 00:22:03,636 Speaker 1: called Black dom Sorority where it's like a hundred of us. 437 00:22:03,796 --> 00:22:06,116 Speaker 1: A couple members are in La, so we're like all 438 00:22:06,156 --> 00:22:09,036 Speaker 1: over and you know, I use the subs to serve 439 00:22:09,236 --> 00:22:11,596 Speaker 1: us at events. We have sleepovers and brunches and all 440 00:22:11,636 --> 00:22:13,916 Speaker 1: types of things, and we'll have the white subs there 441 00:22:13,956 --> 00:22:16,436 Speaker 1: and they'll really be like bound down to us. So 442 00:22:16,516 --> 00:22:19,836 Speaker 1: I love just that element of my work. So you 443 00:22:19,876 --> 00:22:23,716 Speaker 1: mentioned like Black Dompsterrity, you'll have these and that's a 444 00:22:23,796 --> 00:22:27,756 Speaker 1: group of black and eye for Latina women and non 445 00:22:27,756 --> 00:22:31,756 Speaker 1: binary people who are all domatrixes. Not right right, yes, 446 00:22:32,116 --> 00:22:34,396 Speaker 1: and so like you'll have these white subs, Like will 447 00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:37,316 Speaker 1: they be like serving the food and cleaning up? Yeah, 448 00:22:37,396 --> 00:22:39,996 Speaker 1: so they'll serve the food. We've had them in like 449 00:22:40,076 --> 00:22:43,476 Speaker 1: made outfits before cleaning up. We'll do like little fashion 450 00:22:43,476 --> 00:22:45,836 Speaker 1: shows with them, little humiliating things, things that they like 451 00:22:45,876 --> 00:22:48,916 Speaker 1: consented to we'll have. So, for instance, in December, we're 452 00:22:48,916 --> 00:22:51,636 Speaker 1: having our holiday party in New York. So the holiday 453 00:22:51,676 --> 00:22:53,716 Speaker 1: party is gonna be so much fun because we're gonna 454 00:22:53,716 --> 00:22:56,316 Speaker 1: do so many different things, like making the subs pose 455 00:22:56,356 --> 00:22:58,836 Speaker 1: as Christmas trees and just throwing decorations on them and 456 00:22:58,916 --> 00:23:02,396 Speaker 1: things of that nature. It's really for our entertainment, but 457 00:23:02,436 --> 00:23:05,436 Speaker 1: it's also for them to realize, like, you know, you 458 00:23:05,516 --> 00:23:07,676 Speaker 1: wanted to serve us goes beyond you just typing this 459 00:23:07,716 --> 00:23:09,396 Speaker 1: to me on Twitter, Like I want to see in 460 00:23:09,476 --> 00:23:12,316 Speaker 1: person that you're really dedicated to serve us, because anybody 461 00:23:12,316 --> 00:23:14,796 Speaker 1: can say, oh I love serving Black domps and things 462 00:23:14,796 --> 00:23:16,036 Speaker 1: of that nature. And you know, a lot of the 463 00:23:16,076 --> 00:23:18,316 Speaker 1: times these subs they try to see us as a 464 00:23:18,316 --> 00:23:21,116 Speaker 1: fetish or they fetishize us. And so it's me really 465 00:23:21,116 --> 00:23:23,156 Speaker 1: saying like, you know, you can like what you like, 466 00:23:23,596 --> 00:23:26,276 Speaker 1: but also you have to understand what you're liking, and 467 00:23:26,316 --> 00:23:28,236 Speaker 1: you have to see that person as a person also, 468 00:23:28,356 --> 00:23:32,356 Speaker 1: not just as a kink or a fetish. And what 469 00:23:32,436 --> 00:23:35,996 Speaker 1: kind of transformation have you seen? Have you seen, like 470 00:23:36,036 --> 00:23:38,596 Speaker 1: have you had conversations with your subs where they actually 471 00:23:38,636 --> 00:23:42,116 Speaker 1: get it and like they, I don't know, have more 472 00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:45,916 Speaker 1: of a realization of what it means to for there 473 00:23:45,956 --> 00:23:49,236 Speaker 1: to be reparations or for their them to actually respect 474 00:23:49,276 --> 00:23:51,756 Speaker 1: black women, Like do you get that kind of feedback 475 00:23:51,796 --> 00:23:55,156 Speaker 1: from them? Yeah, I've definitely seen a transformation. I mean, 476 00:23:55,156 --> 00:23:57,516 Speaker 1: I've had one sub that says that he's learning more 477 00:23:57,516 --> 00:24:00,836 Speaker 1: about black history and you know, learning more beyond his 478 00:24:00,916 --> 00:24:03,396 Speaker 1: scope of what he was taught growing up. And you know, 479 00:24:03,436 --> 00:24:06,396 Speaker 1: I have subs that I have them donate to certain 480 00:24:06,796 --> 00:24:09,476 Speaker 1: causes or whatever that support black people, black set workers 481 00:24:09,516 --> 00:24:12,636 Speaker 1: in general. So it's just always me teaching them how 482 00:24:12,676 --> 00:24:16,036 Speaker 1: to give back, but also me teaching them that when 483 00:24:16,316 --> 00:24:18,196 Speaker 1: I'm not around, because I might not always be around, 484 00:24:18,196 --> 00:24:20,196 Speaker 1: it might not always be your dom, you still need 485 00:24:20,236 --> 00:24:22,716 Speaker 1: to hold us to the same stature that you're holding me. 486 00:24:22,916 --> 00:24:25,556 Speaker 1: So it shouldn't just be where you're just holding Mistress 487 00:24:25,556 --> 00:24:27,476 Speaker 1: Marley as a black woman to a certain stature because 488 00:24:27,476 --> 00:24:29,076 Speaker 1: you think she's hot and sexy and you want to 489 00:24:29,076 --> 00:24:31,596 Speaker 1: serve her. It should be every black woman that crosses 490 00:24:31,636 --> 00:24:51,956 Speaker 1: your path you should be treating like this. Have you 491 00:24:51,996 --> 00:24:56,036 Speaker 1: ever actually controlled someone's bank account, like gotten their password 492 00:24:56,076 --> 00:24:58,996 Speaker 1: and everything, so not their bank account password. But there 493 00:24:59,076 --> 00:25:02,156 Speaker 1: is something that we do in Findom called team viewer, 494 00:25:02,516 --> 00:25:05,876 Speaker 1: and that's basically when you remotely control their computer from 495 00:25:05,876 --> 00:25:08,956 Speaker 1: your house. So I've like I've controlled it and they 496 00:25:09,156 --> 00:25:11,436 Speaker 1: watch you do it the whole time. But I've controlled 497 00:25:11,436 --> 00:25:13,756 Speaker 1: their like laptops or whatever from my house, and I've 498 00:25:13,756 --> 00:25:16,276 Speaker 1: gone into their PayPal, logged in and sent myself money, 499 00:25:16,436 --> 00:25:18,676 Speaker 1: or gone into their cash app for Venmo and sent 500 00:25:18,756 --> 00:25:20,756 Speaker 1: myself money. So it's pretty much the same thing. So 501 00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:25,116 Speaker 1: you have some subs that want that to happen for them. Wow, yeah, 502 00:25:25,636 --> 00:25:29,236 Speaker 1: I got a dream job, I mean. But at the 503 00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:32,676 Speaker 1: same time, like you have a lot of content out 504 00:25:32,676 --> 00:25:35,556 Speaker 1: there on different platforms. You have an only fans account 505 00:25:35,596 --> 00:25:39,236 Speaker 1: where people can see nude photos and videos of you, 506 00:25:39,556 --> 00:25:43,276 Speaker 1: Like there's a possibility that like those silent centers are 507 00:25:43,276 --> 00:25:47,156 Speaker 1: also taking in some of that content, right, yeah, But 508 00:25:47,196 --> 00:25:49,156 Speaker 1: I think the thing with them too is that when 509 00:25:49,196 --> 00:25:52,956 Speaker 1: they're looking at my content only fans, my content, my 510 00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:55,116 Speaker 1: content is under the mail gaze, but it's not for 511 00:25:55,156 --> 00:25:57,236 Speaker 1: the male gaze, if that makes sense. So my content 512 00:25:57,396 --> 00:26:00,076 Speaker 1: is not me trying to convince you to touch me 513 00:26:00,236 --> 00:26:02,356 Speaker 1: or be all over me, or I want you or 514 00:26:02,436 --> 00:26:04,476 Speaker 1: I'm you know whatever they might say, or I'm horny 515 00:26:04,596 --> 00:26:05,996 Speaker 1: or you know what a lot of people might do. 516 00:26:06,276 --> 00:26:08,516 Speaker 1: My content is more so on the fact of look 517 00:26:08,516 --> 00:26:10,356 Speaker 1: at me, you'll ever be able to touch me, You'll 518 00:26:10,396 --> 00:26:12,356 Speaker 1: never be able to even be in the same room 519 00:26:12,356 --> 00:26:15,076 Speaker 1: as me, You're a loser. Like it's still me humiliating, 520 00:26:15,396 --> 00:26:18,116 Speaker 1: but in a way of being sensual with it. And 521 00:26:18,196 --> 00:26:20,516 Speaker 1: I mean, this might be like a really stupid question, 522 00:26:20,556 --> 00:26:24,036 Speaker 1: but do you think that this type of thing, especially 523 00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:28,396 Speaker 1: the pendom stuff could work if there wasn't like literally 524 00:26:28,436 --> 00:26:31,436 Speaker 1: anything sexual about it, Like if you were just like 525 00:26:31,716 --> 00:26:35,076 Speaker 1: in your sweats and like didn't even post a picture 526 00:26:35,076 --> 00:26:37,876 Speaker 1: of yourself or something like would would it work or 527 00:26:38,596 --> 00:26:40,796 Speaker 1: oh for sure? Because when I when I first started out, 528 00:26:40,836 --> 00:26:44,196 Speaker 1: it was just strictly content on Twitter, posting my feet, 529 00:26:44,276 --> 00:26:46,876 Speaker 1: posting a picture of me doing a loser sign, like 530 00:26:46,916 --> 00:26:49,356 Speaker 1: not even really having that only fans network or whatever. 531 00:26:49,916 --> 00:26:52,236 Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of doms too that are faceless. 532 00:26:52,596 --> 00:26:54,956 Speaker 1: They just show the neck down. There's a lot of 533 00:26:54,956 --> 00:26:57,276 Speaker 1: stubs that love catfish fetish, so they love for you 534 00:26:57,316 --> 00:26:58,956 Speaker 1: to use a fake picture on them and tell them 535 00:26:58,956 --> 00:27:03,956 Speaker 1: it's a fake picture and they just love it. It's different. So, yeah, 536 00:27:04,036 --> 00:27:05,956 Speaker 1: there's so many Like one of the main questions I get, 537 00:27:06,076 --> 00:27:07,476 Speaker 1: because you not get a lot of women that do 538 00:27:07,516 --> 00:27:09,516 Speaker 1: have these ninety five jobs when they ask me, how 539 00:27:09,556 --> 00:27:11,236 Speaker 1: can I do this without showing my face? And I'm like, 540 00:27:11,636 --> 00:27:13,516 Speaker 1: you can definitely do this about showing your face, because 541 00:27:13,516 --> 00:27:15,956 Speaker 1: there's some stubs that really just like feet or just 542 00:27:16,036 --> 00:27:18,956 Speaker 1: like to see you in stockings from the waist down 543 00:27:19,236 --> 00:27:21,516 Speaker 1: or whatever. Like, there's so many different ways you can 544 00:27:21,556 --> 00:27:24,676 Speaker 1: make money without ever showing your face. Well that's amazing. 545 00:27:24,716 --> 00:27:27,236 Speaker 1: I didn't realize you can even make money not even 546 00:27:27,276 --> 00:27:31,476 Speaker 1: showing a picture of yourself. Yeah you can, you definitely can. Wow. 547 00:27:33,116 --> 00:27:36,916 Speaker 1: How do you decide what your rate should be? So 548 00:27:36,996 --> 00:27:39,996 Speaker 1: my rates are decided upon how much energy am I 549 00:27:39,996 --> 00:27:43,116 Speaker 1: putting into something mentally, physically, and emotionally. So if I'm 550 00:27:43,116 --> 00:27:45,596 Speaker 1: whipping someone that's physical, that's something that can make your 551 00:27:45,636 --> 00:27:47,796 Speaker 1: arm sore by the end of it or takes a 552 00:27:47,796 --> 00:27:49,956 Speaker 1: lot of physical energy, So I would charge upward of 553 00:27:49,996 --> 00:27:52,516 Speaker 1: eight hundred an hour for that. If I'm doing something 554 00:27:52,516 --> 00:27:55,596 Speaker 1: where I'm verbally humiliating somebody, Okay, that's not as intense 555 00:27:55,636 --> 00:27:58,876 Speaker 1: as physical domination, So maybe I'll do three hundred an 556 00:27:58,916 --> 00:28:01,316 Speaker 1: hour for that. If I'm doing something where they want 557 00:28:01,396 --> 00:28:03,956 Speaker 1: multiple kinks in one hour, it's like, okay, you really 558 00:28:03,996 --> 00:28:06,276 Speaker 1: have to charge for that, you know, a thousand and upwards. 559 00:28:06,276 --> 00:28:09,516 Speaker 1: So it just really depends on what you're putting into it. 560 00:28:09,556 --> 00:28:11,876 Speaker 1: If it's ever to a point where you're doing something 561 00:28:11,916 --> 00:28:13,756 Speaker 1: and you're thinking, oh my god, this is emotionally doing 562 00:28:13,796 --> 00:28:16,036 Speaker 1: so much for me or mentally or I had to 563 00:28:16,076 --> 00:28:17,916 Speaker 1: do so much to get prepared for this, you know. 564 00:28:17,996 --> 00:28:20,356 Speaker 1: And as doms spend a lot of money on our outfits, 565 00:28:21,076 --> 00:28:23,196 Speaker 1: leather and latex is not cheap. We spend a lot 566 00:28:23,236 --> 00:28:25,076 Speaker 1: of money on our on our outfits, self care of 567 00:28:25,076 --> 00:28:28,876 Speaker 1: our outfits, of our tools. A lot of these tools 568 00:28:28,876 --> 00:28:31,236 Speaker 1: are handmade. A lot of them are like real leather 569 00:28:31,356 --> 00:28:34,116 Speaker 1: and wood and things of that nature. So that's how 570 00:28:34,116 --> 00:28:36,076 Speaker 1: I really determined my rates. It's like how much energy 571 00:28:36,156 --> 00:28:38,916 Speaker 1: is being put into what I'm doing. I'm so curious 572 00:28:38,956 --> 00:28:42,796 Speaker 1: as you mentioned that your expenses and I think about 573 00:28:42,836 --> 00:28:46,836 Speaker 1: like your taxes or something like what all are your expenses? 574 00:28:47,996 --> 00:28:51,436 Speaker 1: So my expenses vary from like until I open a dungeon. 575 00:28:51,476 --> 00:28:53,836 Speaker 1: I am renting out dungeons for a session, so that's 576 00:28:53,876 --> 00:28:57,156 Speaker 1: those are usually hourly fees, and those usually change per dungeons. 577 00:28:57,156 --> 00:28:58,996 Speaker 1: So one dungeon might charge seventy five an hour, you 578 00:28:59,036 --> 00:29:00,956 Speaker 1: might have another one that charges one fifty. It just 579 00:29:00,956 --> 00:29:03,236 Speaker 1: depends on what's available that day and what you can use. 580 00:29:03,636 --> 00:29:06,996 Speaker 1: So it's dungeon expenses. It's expenses of wanting to buy 581 00:29:07,036 --> 00:29:09,116 Speaker 1: new tools and new toys because a lot of these 582 00:29:09,236 --> 00:29:11,556 Speaker 1: things have wear and tear over time. So I've had 583 00:29:11,596 --> 00:29:13,116 Speaker 1: a lot of paddles and things I've had it thrown 584 00:29:13,116 --> 00:29:15,356 Speaker 1: out because they can't be used anymore. They've been used 585 00:29:15,396 --> 00:29:19,796 Speaker 1: so much. Leather and latex. There's sometimes instances accidentally in 586 00:29:19,876 --> 00:29:22,516 Speaker 1: latex where you might get oil or spill something on 587 00:29:22,556 --> 00:29:24,236 Speaker 1: it and it's damaged so you have to replace it. 588 00:29:24,276 --> 00:29:26,876 Speaker 1: Like those things are very sensitive and easy to mess up. 589 00:29:27,156 --> 00:29:30,316 Speaker 1: So it's just dealing with incidentals like that. Expenses such 590 00:29:30,316 --> 00:29:32,756 Speaker 1: as you know, like traveling to the session. But a 591 00:29:32,796 --> 00:29:35,156 Speaker 1: lot of these expenses are put into the session price, 592 00:29:35,196 --> 00:29:37,636 Speaker 1: so they're pretty much covered by the sub But these 593 00:29:37,676 --> 00:29:40,396 Speaker 1: are different expenses that we have and me just being 594 00:29:40,516 --> 00:29:42,596 Speaker 1: a very very feminine woman, you know, I always have 595 00:29:42,676 --> 00:29:45,596 Speaker 1: my hair done every two weeks and nails and you know, 596 00:29:45,676 --> 00:29:48,036 Speaker 1: all these different types of cosmetic things and keeping up 597 00:29:48,036 --> 00:29:50,436 Speaker 1: with my general health and all these different things. So 598 00:29:51,636 --> 00:29:53,596 Speaker 1: a lot of this money goes into things. It's not 599 00:29:53,636 --> 00:29:55,916 Speaker 1: always oh, I got this big stack of money and 600 00:29:55,916 --> 00:29:58,036 Speaker 1: it's going straight into the savings. Some of it might 601 00:29:58,076 --> 00:29:59,556 Speaker 1: go into the savings, but some of it is going 602 00:29:59,596 --> 00:30:02,516 Speaker 1: towards other expenses. Because as a dom especially in this 603 00:30:02,556 --> 00:30:05,156 Speaker 1: industry where you're doing physical domination in person, your looks 604 00:30:05,196 --> 00:30:09,796 Speaker 1: are everything. Yeah, how many hours a day do you work? 605 00:30:10,716 --> 00:30:12,796 Speaker 1: It depends. So one thing about sex work two is 606 00:30:12,836 --> 00:30:15,996 Speaker 1: your schedule is never the same. So my busiest days 607 00:30:16,076 --> 00:30:18,356 Speaker 1: are days when I have sessions back to back, or 608 00:30:18,356 --> 00:30:20,996 Speaker 1: when I'm recording content all day. So I like to 609 00:30:21,036 --> 00:30:23,836 Speaker 1: work smart and not hard. So I'll spend a whole 610 00:30:23,876 --> 00:30:26,236 Speaker 1: day recording content and different videos and post it on 611 00:30:26,236 --> 00:30:28,236 Speaker 1: different days. You know, the subs don't know what days 612 00:30:28,236 --> 00:30:30,596 Speaker 1: I don't or if you know, whatever, So those to 613 00:30:30,676 --> 00:30:33,916 Speaker 1: me are the hardest because content creation is so hard. 614 00:30:34,196 --> 00:30:35,956 Speaker 1: I mean, you spend all the time in the world, 615 00:30:36,116 --> 00:30:37,836 Speaker 1: first of all, just doing your makeup and hair in 616 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:39,956 Speaker 1: your outfit, and then you have to set up the 617 00:30:40,396 --> 00:30:43,116 Speaker 1: self timer and the editing and the lighting and making 618 00:30:43,156 --> 00:30:44,436 Speaker 1: sure you're doing it at the right time of the 619 00:30:44,516 --> 00:30:47,276 Speaker 1: day so you are getting lighting, so that itself takes 620 00:30:47,276 --> 00:30:49,996 Speaker 1: a long time. But I will say maybe on an 621 00:30:50,036 --> 00:30:53,636 Speaker 1: average day of sessions or whether it's virtual or whatever, 622 00:30:53,716 --> 00:30:56,836 Speaker 1: or planning events, I will say, like, I'm up at 623 00:30:56,956 --> 00:30:59,796 Speaker 1: nine o'clock and maybe done around three, so maybe I 624 00:30:59,836 --> 00:31:02,476 Speaker 1: work at nine to three, you know. So it just depends. 625 00:31:02,516 --> 00:31:04,756 Speaker 1: But it's that ability to be able to set my 626 00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:06,276 Speaker 1: schedule and be able to say, you know what, I'm 627 00:31:06,276 --> 00:31:08,636 Speaker 1: not seeing anyone today, or I'm not seeing anyone tomorrow. 628 00:31:08,796 --> 00:31:10,836 Speaker 1: I'll see whoever I want to see on Thursday. I 629 00:31:10,836 --> 00:31:14,156 Speaker 1: could do a whole sessions, a whole day of sessions 630 00:31:14,156 --> 00:31:15,956 Speaker 1: on a Thursday and make what I needed to make, 631 00:31:16,116 --> 00:31:19,196 Speaker 1: you know, for the month. So it's it's different ways 632 00:31:19,236 --> 00:31:20,836 Speaker 1: to just like set it up. But one thing about 633 00:31:20,876 --> 00:31:22,756 Speaker 1: me is I'm always big on taking like I will 634 00:31:22,796 --> 00:31:24,676 Speaker 1: take time off like I do not care. I will 635 00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:26,996 Speaker 1: take the time off and vacation like even become to 636 00:31:27,156 --> 00:31:29,396 Speaker 1: La was a vacation and time off just for myself, 637 00:31:29,436 --> 00:31:33,516 Speaker 1: you know, So you have to really just make that time. Yeah, 638 00:31:33,556 --> 00:31:35,396 Speaker 1: I mean that that kind of brings me to one 639 00:31:35,396 --> 00:31:38,596 Speaker 1: of the questions I had, which is like, we all 640 00:31:39,116 --> 00:31:42,196 Speaker 1: have days at work or we're just like like, I 641 00:31:42,236 --> 00:31:44,116 Speaker 1: have to go to work, right, Do you ever feel 642 00:31:44,116 --> 00:31:46,836 Speaker 1: like that or do you feel mostly like you love this? 643 00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:50,356 Speaker 1: I love it. I think I only get times where 644 00:31:50,396 --> 00:31:52,276 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I'm so like tired or 645 00:31:52,276 --> 00:31:54,036 Speaker 1: whatever when it's like the day of an event, because 646 00:31:54,036 --> 00:31:55,956 Speaker 1: I know events take a lot out of me, so 647 00:31:55,996 --> 00:31:58,356 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, there's so many things that always 648 00:31:58,396 --> 00:32:01,076 Speaker 1: come up days of an event, like the decorator isn't 649 00:32:01,116 --> 00:32:04,036 Speaker 1: replying to your text right away, or like the caterers 650 00:32:04,036 --> 00:32:06,196 Speaker 1: saying they're going to be this many minutes later or whatever. 651 00:32:06,276 --> 00:32:08,196 Speaker 1: So it's always little things like that that come up. 652 00:32:08,196 --> 00:32:10,196 Speaker 1: But within my actual work of being a pro dom 653 00:32:10,236 --> 00:32:12,876 Speaker 1: and a financial dominatrix, I never get to that point. 654 00:32:13,236 --> 00:32:15,596 Speaker 1: I get excited when it comes to doing sessions, even 655 00:32:15,636 --> 00:32:17,916 Speaker 1: if it's just online or someone sending me money or 656 00:32:18,276 --> 00:32:20,516 Speaker 1: a virtual Skype session or whatever it might be. I 657 00:32:20,556 --> 00:32:22,796 Speaker 1: just always get excited because I'm like, especially if it's 658 00:32:22,796 --> 00:32:24,436 Speaker 1: a new client, because I get to meet someone new 659 00:32:24,476 --> 00:32:27,116 Speaker 1: and that first introduction is everything, and it's just like 660 00:32:27,396 --> 00:32:28,836 Speaker 1: you never know where it can go, Like this can 661 00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:31,756 Speaker 1: be my client that I only wanted one session today, 662 00:32:31,836 --> 00:32:33,516 Speaker 1: or this could be my client that's sending money every 663 00:32:33,596 --> 00:32:36,356 Speaker 1: day for me, you know. So it's for me it's 664 00:32:36,356 --> 00:32:39,236 Speaker 1: the thrill and excitement because in this industry, you never 665 00:32:39,356 --> 00:32:55,196 Speaker 1: know where things are gonna go. What do you indulge in? Financially? 666 00:32:56,036 --> 00:33:01,596 Speaker 1: I love bags. I'm a back fanatic going through the 667 00:33:01,596 --> 00:33:04,236 Speaker 1: fashion industry growing up or in college where I couldn't 668 00:33:04,236 --> 00:33:06,396 Speaker 1: afford none of the things we were lying about. To 669 00:33:06,436 --> 00:33:08,916 Speaker 1: be able to afford those things, now it gives me. 670 00:33:09,716 --> 00:33:12,556 Speaker 1: It gives me like pride on it gives me a 671 00:33:12,596 --> 00:33:14,276 Speaker 1: deeper sense of it. It's like a kid in a 672 00:33:14,356 --> 00:33:17,076 Speaker 1: candy store. So I definitely indulge. I think I buy 673 00:33:17,076 --> 00:33:21,356 Speaker 1: at least one luxury bag a month at this point. Yeah, 674 00:33:21,396 --> 00:33:24,396 Speaker 1: so like I'm trying to work on it. But to me, 675 00:33:24,476 --> 00:33:26,556 Speaker 1: it's just like I just love how it is. And 676 00:33:26,596 --> 00:33:28,396 Speaker 1: for me, it's not even just buying the bag. Is 677 00:33:28,596 --> 00:33:31,116 Speaker 1: some of these luxury stores give such good experiences, like 678 00:33:31,156 --> 00:33:33,636 Speaker 1: you walk in and you get the champagne, and you know, 679 00:33:33,756 --> 00:33:35,836 Speaker 1: you get like all these different things going on, and 680 00:33:35,836 --> 00:33:37,396 Speaker 1: to me, it's just the air of it of just 681 00:33:37,476 --> 00:33:39,756 Speaker 1: how it feels to be in spaces that I would 682 00:33:39,796 --> 00:33:41,716 Speaker 1: have never thought i'd be able to be in, or 683 00:33:41,796 --> 00:33:45,196 Speaker 1: spaces to where you know me going in around New York. 684 00:33:45,236 --> 00:33:46,836 Speaker 1: Even when I had no money, I would be on 685 00:33:46,876 --> 00:33:49,436 Speaker 1: Fifth Avenue, go on a shop and just feel embarrassed 686 00:33:49,476 --> 00:33:51,116 Speaker 1: that I was in there and couldn't really like spend 687 00:33:51,156 --> 00:33:53,276 Speaker 1: any money or just feel like, you know, I would 688 00:33:53,276 --> 00:33:55,196 Speaker 1: never be able to obtain these things, So I will 689 00:33:55,236 --> 00:34:00,156 Speaker 1: say that I'm a bad fanatic right now. Nice. Another 690 00:34:00,236 --> 00:34:04,076 Speaker 1: question we have for everyone is what does enough look 691 00:34:04,116 --> 00:34:11,836 Speaker 1: like to you? What does enough look like for me? Enough? 692 00:34:11,996 --> 00:34:18,716 Speaker 1: For me, I guess would be like being fulfilled emotionally 693 00:34:18,756 --> 00:34:21,956 Speaker 1: and mentally. So for me, it's like, even if I 694 00:34:21,996 --> 00:34:25,236 Speaker 1: wasn't financially stable or financially to do things I could do, 695 00:34:25,716 --> 00:34:27,916 Speaker 1: I think as long as I was fine mentally and emotionally, 696 00:34:27,956 --> 00:34:30,076 Speaker 1: I would be great. You know, because a lot of 697 00:34:30,076 --> 00:34:33,076 Speaker 1: people make a lot of this money and they hate 698 00:34:33,076 --> 00:34:36,356 Speaker 1: themselves or they don't feel good about themselves, so they're 699 00:34:36,396 --> 00:34:39,596 Speaker 1: never fulfilled or is not enough for them. But for me, 700 00:34:39,636 --> 00:34:41,676 Speaker 1: it's just like, as long as I have good people 701 00:34:41,716 --> 00:34:44,116 Speaker 1: around me and I can give back to people, and 702 00:34:44,436 --> 00:34:46,436 Speaker 1: I feel great about myself and what I'm doing That's 703 00:34:46,436 --> 00:34:49,236 Speaker 1: all that matters. You know. Do you feel like you 704 00:34:49,356 --> 00:34:53,156 Speaker 1: have enough right now? No? You can always want more. 705 00:34:53,396 --> 00:34:55,956 Speaker 1: You can always want more. I don't have enough bad 706 00:34:56,476 --> 00:34:59,316 Speaker 1: but no, I think I think I do have. I 707 00:34:59,436 --> 00:35:03,236 Speaker 1: have enough love within me and outside of me. So 708 00:35:03,276 --> 00:35:05,476 Speaker 1: I have so many amazing people around me that have 709 00:35:05,556 --> 00:35:08,596 Speaker 1: supported this journey, because for me, it's different. It's one 710 00:35:08,636 --> 00:35:10,956 Speaker 1: thing to be a sex work online doing your own thing, 711 00:35:10,996 --> 00:35:12,956 Speaker 1: and you know, you're not really in the like, not 712 00:35:13,036 --> 00:35:15,836 Speaker 1: really in the scope of everyone's eyes and stuff. But 713 00:35:15,916 --> 00:35:18,476 Speaker 1: for me to be doing all that, plus everyone's always 714 00:35:18,476 --> 00:35:20,676 Speaker 1: watching me, and I'm in these big publications and doing 715 00:35:20,716 --> 00:35:22,236 Speaker 1: these things, and I feel like people are waiting for 716 00:35:22,276 --> 00:35:24,956 Speaker 1: me to mess up. It's like I have all these 717 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:27,316 Speaker 1: people that support me. I mean, I just having the 718 00:35:27,356 --> 00:35:30,516 Speaker 1: privilege alone of my parents supporting my sex work is big. 719 00:35:31,236 --> 00:35:33,116 Speaker 1: There are so many people in this industry that can't 720 00:35:33,156 --> 00:35:36,116 Speaker 1: even tell their parents because they'll get this own kicked out, 721 00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:38,356 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. But I have parents that not 722 00:35:38,356 --> 00:35:40,516 Speaker 1: only support what I do, but they want to be 723 00:35:40,516 --> 00:35:42,316 Speaker 1: a part of it. Like my mom's going to be 724 00:35:42,316 --> 00:35:44,676 Speaker 1: my assistant for my lingerie line, Like she's like helping 725 00:35:44,676 --> 00:35:47,316 Speaker 1: me all these things. And you know, my dad's always 726 00:35:47,316 --> 00:35:49,716 Speaker 1: asking like do you need business cards? You need this? 727 00:35:49,876 --> 00:35:51,876 Speaker 1: Or my dad's like I saw someone today that Mike 728 00:35:51,916 --> 00:35:54,156 Speaker 1: could be a sub I'm okay, Dad, I don't even 729 00:35:54,196 --> 00:35:58,156 Speaker 1: know what that means for you, but like, but it's 730 00:35:58,196 --> 00:36:00,436 Speaker 1: just having all these people. I mean, my best friend 731 00:36:00,476 --> 00:36:02,636 Speaker 1: is my assistant, My two other best friends are running 732 00:36:02,636 --> 00:36:04,756 Speaker 1: a dungeon with me. Like, just having all these people 733 00:36:04,756 --> 00:36:07,796 Speaker 1: that are close to me, that are supporting what I'm doing, 734 00:36:07,836 --> 00:36:09,916 Speaker 1: that are always there. I mean they're there through everything, 735 00:36:09,956 --> 00:36:13,036 Speaker 1: through the meltdowns before in an event, through like the 736 00:36:13,156 --> 00:36:16,396 Speaker 1: nervousness before certain things, through having to deal with crazy clients. 737 00:36:16,396 --> 00:36:18,836 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes my best friends come and sit in 738 00:36:18,876 --> 00:36:21,836 Speaker 1: at security at my session. So it's just like that 739 00:36:21,876 --> 00:36:25,316 Speaker 1: will always be enough for me. I heard that you 740 00:36:25,396 --> 00:36:28,396 Speaker 1: have an affirmation that you say to yourself in the 741 00:36:28,396 --> 00:36:31,036 Speaker 1: mirror every day, and I'm wondering if you can teach 742 00:36:31,076 --> 00:36:35,236 Speaker 1: it to us. So affirmations are always a good thing 743 00:36:35,276 --> 00:36:37,316 Speaker 1: because you could either repeat it to yourself in a mirror, 744 00:36:37,396 --> 00:36:39,076 Speaker 1: or you can record your voice saying it on your 745 00:36:39,076 --> 00:36:42,356 Speaker 1: phone and play it as you're going to sleep. Yeah, 746 00:36:42,516 --> 00:36:44,996 Speaker 1: so a lot of people like to listen to mantras 747 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:48,036 Speaker 1: by other people, which are good, but to me, it 748 00:36:48,076 --> 00:36:50,396 Speaker 1: has the most force in it when it's your own voice. 749 00:36:50,396 --> 00:36:52,876 Speaker 1: So imagine you, like, so imagine you falling asleep and 750 00:36:52,876 --> 00:36:55,916 Speaker 1: you're subconsciously listening into yourself and your ears say these things. 751 00:36:56,036 --> 00:37:02,396 Speaker 1: You're gonna believe it because it's your voice. Right, So 752 00:37:02,476 --> 00:37:05,836 Speaker 1: it's I'm a bad bitch. I'm a bad bitch. I'm 753 00:37:05,836 --> 00:37:09,316 Speaker 1: a money magnet. I'm a money magnet. Everything I want want, 754 00:37:09,356 --> 00:37:13,196 Speaker 1: I get, everything I want I get. I'm healthy, I'm wealthy. 755 00:37:13,396 --> 00:37:17,276 Speaker 1: I'm that bitch. I'm healthy, I'm wealthy. I'm that bitch. Yes, 756 00:37:17,796 --> 00:37:23,916 Speaker 1: I love it. Yes, I'm getting a note from our 757 00:37:23,956 --> 00:37:27,436 Speaker 1: producer one wanting to know if you can dom me 758 00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:33,476 Speaker 1: in one sentence like you do a client. Oh okay, 759 00:37:33,836 --> 00:37:35,556 Speaker 1: that was a that was a good little touch. Producer. 760 00:37:35,596 --> 00:37:39,516 Speaker 1: Shout out to you. What are your like, what are 761 00:37:39,556 --> 00:37:42,276 Speaker 1: your what are your hard limits? First? Like, what is 762 00:37:42,276 --> 00:37:44,876 Speaker 1: a absolute no? Can you give me an example of 763 00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:47,876 Speaker 1: what a hard limit is? So hard limit is something 764 00:37:47,916 --> 00:37:51,596 Speaker 1: that's just like no, absolutely. Don't say to me, I 765 00:37:51,676 --> 00:37:54,956 Speaker 1: mean I don't. I don't think that I have. I 766 00:37:54,996 --> 00:37:59,476 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't think that I have. Okay, even better. Yeah, yeah, 767 00:37:59,596 --> 00:38:03,836 Speaker 1: go for all right. So, hey, little bitch, you're gonna 768 00:38:03,876 --> 00:38:05,716 Speaker 1: give me all your money, and you're gonna dream about 769 00:38:05,716 --> 00:38:07,316 Speaker 1: me when you go to sleep, and I'm all you're 770 00:38:07,316 --> 00:38:11,036 Speaker 1: gonna ever think about, because I'm all that matters to you, 771 00:38:11,276 --> 00:38:15,076 Speaker 1: and your life is worthless without sending me money. Amazing, 772 00:38:15,796 --> 00:38:20,836 Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, I actually have sent you money because 773 00:38:21,916 --> 00:38:26,316 Speaker 1: I've subscribed to one of your channels. So oh, silent, 774 00:38:26,716 --> 00:38:29,796 Speaker 1: we have a silence sender. Guys to a silent sender. 775 00:38:35,236 --> 00:38:38,556 Speaker 1: Other People's Pockets is written and hosted by me My Allow. 776 00:38:38,996 --> 00:38:42,436 Speaker 1: It's produced by me along with Joey Stanford and Dan Glucci. 777 00:38:42,756 --> 00:38:46,836 Speaker 1: Production help by Angela Vane. Our mix engineer is Dan Glucci. 778 00:38:47,156 --> 00:38:50,676 Speaker 1: Our executive producers are me My Allow along with Jane 779 00:38:50,716 --> 00:38:55,076 Speaker 1: Marie and Dan Glucci. Special thanks to the Silence Senders. 780 00:38:58,956 --> 00:39:02,316 Speaker 1: Other People's Pockets is a production of Pushkin Industries. 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