1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: And the big news is the Senate bill, this border 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: disaster bill, has failed. Senator. I want to get your 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: reaction this. You fought incredibly hard to stop this bill, 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 2: which had a lot of things in it that people 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: I don't even think realize. Going down to the wire, 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: it would basically codify, It would have cut of fied 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: open borders. It would have sent another sixty billion to Ukraine, 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: but only twenty billion to secure the southern border. It 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: would have given taxpayer for the lawyers to illegals, and 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: it would have cost the American taxpayers one point four 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: billion to resettle illegals in the US, including travel and accommodations. 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 3: Look, the bill was a terrible bill. Now the good 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: news is the bill is dead. It is dead as 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 3: a door knob. It is going to fail. You and 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: I are recording this. It's eleven o'clock at night Tuesday night. Tomorrow, Wednesday, 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 3: the Senate will vote on what's called cloture on the 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: motion to proceed. That's the initial vote to take up 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: this bill that's going to fail. It needs sixty votes 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: to proceed. It's not going to get it. You are 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: going to see every Republican or almost every Republican vote. 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 4: Now. 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: I don't know what the final vote will be. There 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: might be a couple of Republicans who vote yes, but 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: we're going to see the overwhelming majority of our conference vote. 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 5: Now. 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: That's a very good thing. That is the result of 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: what has been an epic battle within the Republican Conference 30 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 3: in the Senate for months. The reason the bill is 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: going to fail tomorrow is because the bill is a 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 3: bad bill. It does not fix the problem of our 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: open borders. It does not fix the problem of the 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: chaos of the southern border and the invasion that Joe 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: Biden has caused, and in significant ways it makes it worse. 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: We should discuss as a policy matter, why this bill 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: was bad, and in secondly, as a matter of politics, 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: why the bill was even worse, why the bill was 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: a massive political blunder, a total cluster by Senate Republican 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: leadership that is going to do enormous damage. Both are true, 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: but we ought to start on the policy front. 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the policy aspect of this, because there 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: is a lot of people that are very angry that 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: this even got this close to being a possibility, and 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: it was only because of leaders like you that were 46 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: willing to stand up and say absolutely not time and 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: time again while they were trying to cram this down 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 2: our throats and also doing it with this, Hey, we're 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: going to tie Ukraine funding in here, and if you 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: don't give us that, as Joe Biden has said, there's 51 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: a good chance your boys are going to be fighting 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: a war with Russia. And oh, by the way, we're 53 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: going to throw a little money in there for Israel. 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 2: At the same time, we should have nothing to do 55 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: with a border security bill. 56 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: Well what happened here. Now, another reason border security was 57 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: tied to this is because Republicans quite rightly demanded it 58 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: be tied on this, and in particular Joe Biden and 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: the White House and Chuck Schumer. They desperately want funding 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: for Ukraine, and so does Mitch McConnell, so does Republican 61 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: Senate leadership. And what the Republican Conference said, we united 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 3: the Senate and said, no, we're not going to fund 63 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 3: Ukraine unless you secure the border. We're not going to 64 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: pay any more to secure the border in Ukraine until 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 3: we secure our own border. That was the right thing 66 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: to say, and I was vocal in leading the effort 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: to say, we're going to demand that we secure the 68 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: border and do it now. We're going to use this 69 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: leverage because the White House and the Democrats desperately want 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: Ukraine funding, and so we're perfectly fine to say, fine, 71 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: we'll give you a Ukraine funding if, and this is 72 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: a big if, you actually secure the border. This bill 73 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: didn't do it. What did this bill do well? Number one, 74 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: it codified Joe Biden's open border. So the cause of 75 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: the open borders, the biggest cause is catch and release. 76 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: The first week in office that Biden was president, he 77 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: reinstated catch and release, a disastrous policy. It is catch 78 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: and release is contrary to law. It's contrary to federal 79 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: immigration law. Joe Biden is defying law by doing it. 80 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Well. 81 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: This bill would put it into law catch and release. 82 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: When you catch people, you let them go. Not only that, 83 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: this bill normalized five thousand illegal aliens a day. Five 84 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: thousand illegal aliens a day works out to one point 85 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 3: eight million a year. 86 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: And explain what you mean by normalized, because this is 87 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: one of the things that happened the last really twenty 88 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: four to forty eight hours. That went viral, and I'm 89 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: not sure people understand how you could claim you were 90 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: going to have a secure border while also saying five 91 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: thousand can come in here, and then another five, and 92 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: another five and another five. 93 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: Explain that, well, The way it was written is it 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: said that if if five thousand illegal aliens a day 95 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: are crossing the border, then, as the proponents of the 96 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: bill would say, the border is shut down and they 97 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: could no longer accept asylum applications. That was their pitch, 98 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: and they pitched this as an emergency provision. As a 99 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: practical matter. If this passed, we would see five thousand 100 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 3: a day for all time, for all perpetuity, we'd see 101 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: five thousand a day. Five thousand a day, as I said, 102 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: is one point eight million a year. One point eight 103 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: million a year means over the three years of the 104 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: Biden presidency so far, we'd have nearly six million illegal aliens. 105 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 3: We have, in fact, had nine point six million illegal aliens. 106 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: So what Republicans were saying idiotically is we're for two 107 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: thirds of the Biden open borders, and it's not even 108 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: five thousand a day. It's more than that. So there 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 3: were a bunch of exemptions. So, for example, the five 110 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: thousand a day did not count unaccompanied kids, which means 111 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: there's a huge incentive for a massive flow of unaccompanied children. 112 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: These are little boys and little girls that get brutalized 113 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: by human traffickers coming in. Also, the so called shutdown 114 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: authority when you cross five thousand a day was for 115 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 3: a limited duration. In the first year it could be 116 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: a maximum of two hundred and seventy days, and the 117 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: second year could be for a maximum of two hundred 118 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 3: and twenty five days, and the third year it could 119 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: be a maximum of one hundred and eighty days. So 120 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: that means it's five thousand a day for half the year, 121 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: and then for the other half the year you can 122 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: go back to ten thousand a day, which is what 123 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: we had in December, and it didn't have anything to 124 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: limit it. And then insanely enough, it gave the president 125 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: discretion to reopen the border at any time quote if 126 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: it is in the national interest to temporarily suspend the 127 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: border emergency authority. In other words, it said to Biden, 128 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: we're being so tough. We're gonna say once you get 129 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 3: to five thousand a day, you got to shut it down. Well, 130 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: unless you think you don't and then you don't have to. 131 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: That made no sense. Not only that, what else did 132 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: it do. It gave immediate work permits to people coming 133 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: here illegally. That is insane. 134 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: It gave And by the way, they've been pushing hard 135 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: for that over the last several weeks and they're talking 136 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: points is and we've seen this in places like Denver, Colorado. 137 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: We've seen this in New York City, We've seen this 138 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: in sanctuary cities time and time again. Now over the 139 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: last several months, we're like, well, look, we wouldn't have 140 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: this crisis that we have right now if you guys 141 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: would just let them. 142 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: Hurry up and work already. 143 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: And that was part of this, put a gun to 144 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: the head of this country saying, well, everybody, thats ier illegally. 145 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: If you'll just let them work and just let them 146 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: stay and just let them maybe vote by twenty thirty, 147 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: then then we can finally secure the border. But then 148 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: when you read the bill ags you just described it, 149 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: there was no secure in the border here at all. 150 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: Yep. 151 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: It did not secure the border. Not only that it 152 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: gave billions, It gave two point three billion, and that 153 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: would go to sanctuary cities. It gave one point four 154 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: billion dollars that would go to nonprofit organizations that are 155 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: providing shelter dailygal aliens and that are helping funnel this invasion. 156 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: So it literally spends billions. You know, you mentioned the 157 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: twenty billion dollar fund amount. That twenty billion is not 158 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: to secure the border. That's not actually that's not money 159 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 3: for building a wall, that's not money for border patrol agents. 160 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: That's money to pay off sanctuary cities and to pay 161 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: off the nonprofits, the NGOs that are producing this invasion. 162 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: And so on the face of it, this bill made 163 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: things worse because it didn't solve the problem. And so 164 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: as a policy matter, it was putting into federal law, 165 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: federal statute Biden's open borders. 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And that's the second 204 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: piece of it. I mentioned the policy was terrible, but 205 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 3: the policy was terrible because the politics were terrible. Now 206 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: why were the politics terrible? You know, we had in 207 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: our lunches and so understand what goes on behind the 208 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: scenes at the Senate. Every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, all 209 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: the Senate Republicans we have lunch together and that's where 210 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: we have discussions. And I'll tell you, for the last 211 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 3: several months we have had knocked down, drag out battles 212 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: in their Senate Republican lunches over this issue. 213 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: Can you set the stage like when you're eating wines? 214 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: Is this like cafeteria food box lunch? Are you in 215 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: coat and tie? Is it more casual. How's the room seated? 216 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 2: Do you have a seat that you see it that 217 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: you're seated in every time? And is anyone from outside 218 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: of just being a center in that room? Are they 219 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: coming and going? How does it work? 220 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: Yeah? 221 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: So the lunches are in the United States Capital, so 222 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: in the Capitol building itself on the second floor, which 223 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: is the same floor that the Senate floor is on, 224 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: so it's kind of the middle floor of the Capitol. 225 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: And on two days a week, on Tuesdays and Thursdays, 226 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 3: we have lunch in a room that's called the LBJO 227 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 3: And it's called the LBJ Room because there's a portrait 228 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: of LBJ on the wall. And look, this is the capital, 229 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 3: so it is ornate, it is gilded, there's you know, 230 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: beautiful painting and you know, gold leaf, and I mean 231 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: it's it's gorgeous. It's the United States Capital, so it's 232 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: a it's an amazing building. The LBJ Room is is 233 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: relatively small. So there are a whole series of round 234 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: tables in the LBJ Room and it's pretty packed and 235 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: all forty nine Republicans are typically there having dinner, and 236 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 3: they're usually a half dozen staff members. So it's basically 237 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: senators and maybe a half dozen staff members for leadership. 238 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: They're in the room, but it's almost exclusively senators in 239 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: the room. And and the lunch is typically it's it's 240 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 3: the food is prepared at the Capitol. It's actually pretty 241 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: good food. It's surprising, you know. It varied, like today 242 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: we had had fried chicken and had had had some 243 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: shrimp and beef thing and some broccoli, so it was, 244 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of a it's nicer than a 245 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 3: school calf. It's not gourmet food, but it was you know, 246 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: it's the food is surprisingly decent. And we're sitting there. 247 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: And then so two days a week we're in the 248 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: LBJ room and then on Wednesdays we're in what's called 249 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: the Mansfield Room. The man's Field Room is bigger, and 250 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: so the majority gets the Mansfield Room on Tuesday and Thursdays. 251 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: Because we're in the minority, we're in the smaller room, 252 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: the LBJ room on Tuesdays and Thursdays. 253 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: So the Democrats are meeting at the same time you 254 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: guys are for lunch as well. Okay, and then do 255 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: you have assigned seating? Do you sit there? Is it 256 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: by rank and file or do you just sit with 257 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: your friends. 258 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: No, So they're like, they're you know, I don't know, 259 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: five or six round tables that are in there, and 260 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: you go in and just sit wherever, and so it varies. 261 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: I mean people sometimes end up sitting next to some 262 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 3: of the same people, but it varies quite a bit. 263 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: You just kind of grab an open seat and you 264 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: sit wherever, so there's no assigned seats. And then on Wednesdays, 265 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: the Mansfield Room is a bigger room and the table 266 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: instead of being set up in a series of round tables, 267 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: it's one big table that is a rectang and we 268 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 3: all sit around it, and that's called the Steering Lunch. 269 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 3: Steering is run by the Steering Committee. Mike Lee is 270 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: the chairman of the Steering Committee. I'm on the Executive 271 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 3: committee of the Steering Committee. The Wednesday lunch is actually 272 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: driven by conservatives. So the Steering the Executive Committee are 273 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: the most conservative senators and the Wednesday lunch is designed 274 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: to discuss policy. And so the way it works, the 275 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: Tuesday lunch is the Leadership lunch, and so Mitch McConnell 276 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: and Republican Leadership runs the Tuesday lunch. The Wednesday lunch 277 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: is the Steering Lunch, and Mike Lee and the Steering 278 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: Executive Committee of which I'm a member, runs that, and 279 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: that typically is very policy focused. And then the Thursday 280 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: Lunch is hosted by a different senator every week. And 281 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: what you do when it's your turn to host the 282 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: Thursday lunch is you fly in food from your home state. 283 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: So I often bring in barbecue from Texas. I'm going 284 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: to be doing it soon. I'm gonna fly in tex 285 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: mex instead, just because we've done barbecue the last several times. 286 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: I figured textmax would be good. And when a senator 287 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: hosts it, that has less of a structure that the 288 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: Thursday Lunch. You just kind of go around and recognize 289 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: each person in the order they came in the room, 290 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: and they stand up and they can say whatever they want, 291 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: and it's usually a little more relaxed. It's less substantive, 292 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: and people will tell a story, they'll raise a policy point, 293 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: they'll kind of say whatever they want. So that's how 294 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: the three lunches are. 295 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: So you have these lunches and then go into what 296 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: these lunches and how they change. When you were dealing 297 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: with this immigration, as you said, it was drag out. 298 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: Is this where it's a grand debate? Is it you 299 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: talk and someone else can you interrupt? Is there kind 300 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: of a decorum of the room. How does that work? 301 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a speaking order, and so it just 302 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: varies who wants to be recognized. And so, you know, 303 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: we had at lunch today, Oh, I don't know. We 304 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: probably had twenty twenty five senators speak and you get 305 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: up and you talk and you say whatever you want 306 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: and there's a difference of opinion. But it was like today, 307 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: it became clear this bill is dead. Like everyone was agreeing, 308 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: the votes aren't there, We're not going to do it. It 309 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. But I'll tell you the case 310 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: I made. I made and I've done this repeatedly for 311 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: several months. I made the case on the merits this 312 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: bill was terrible and it was bad policy because it 313 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: would not secure the border. But I also made the 314 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: case the politics was spectacularly bad. And here's why the 315 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: politics was spectacularly bad. Number one, the chances of this 316 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: becoming law were zero. Why because the House of Representatives 317 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: made absolutely clear they wouldn't pass it. The Speaker of 318 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: the House said, this bill is dead on arrival. In fact, 319 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: the top four in leadership in the House said there's 320 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: no chance the House would pass this bill. And so 321 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: I've spent the past couple of weeks standing up and 322 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: looking at my colleagues who were pushing this bill and 323 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: arguing for it. And their argument was, well, look, this 324 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: has some good changes to immigration law, and I'll con 325 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: see there were some good elements there. They say, well, 326 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: we toughened up asylum law. I'm like, well, it doesn't 327 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: matter if you codify catch and release and you put 328 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: in place normalizing two million people a year coming illegally. Like, okay, fine, 329 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: you get some minor tweaks in law, but who cares. 330 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: It doesn't solve the problem. Sure, But they would say, well, 331 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: if we don't do it now, we can never make 332 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: the law better, and that they were arguing before and 333 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: these improvements in the law, when Trump is president, he 334 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: can use it to secure the border. And I said, look, 335 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: that's wrong, because aid Trump doesn't need it to secure 336 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: the border. We had secured the border before without a 337 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: law passing. But b even if that were true, that 338 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 3: won't happen unless this actually passes into law. And given 339 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: that the House of Representatives had told us, it ain't 340 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: gonna happen. I repeatedly looked at the advocates for this bill. 341 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: I looked at Mitch McConnell. I said, how do you 342 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 3: pass the House of Representatives? The Speaker of the House 343 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: has said it's not going to and if it's dead 344 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: on arrival, what the hell are we doing? And if 345 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 3: it's not going to pass, this is where the political 346 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: piece kicks in. I said, if it's not going to pass, 347 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: what's the purpose? And I'll tell you what the purpose is. 348 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer is thrilled today. He is very very happy 349 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 3: because the political purpose of this was to give Democrats camouflage, 350 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: to give them a defense. 351 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: To give himn out right where they're not taking heat. 352 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 3: So every single Democrat running for office in America, every 353 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: Democrat Senate candidate, every Democrat House candidate, they're all already 354 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: saying word for word the same thing, which is they're 355 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 3: standing up and saying, number one, nothing happens on the border, 356 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: which is what they want, so that the open borders continue. 357 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: That's the policy outcome they wanted. But number two, every 358 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: Democrat can now say, gosh, we wanted to secure the border. 359 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: We were ready to secure the border, but the mean 360 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: old Republicans wouldn't let us, and so it's their fault 361 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: we have this border crisis. And I get why Chuck 362 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 3: Schumer wants that as a political talking point, but why 363 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: the hell would Republican leadership in the Senate. And as 364 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: I pointed out to them, I said today, I said, look, 365 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: you guys have given the largest in kind contribution to 366 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: the Democrat Senate Committee in the history of the country 367 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: because you've given them an out and provided a defense, 368 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: and you've done nothing, zero to fix the problem. 369 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: So explain to me what your strategy would have been differently, 370 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: knowing now how this played out, and who around you 371 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: agreed with you, and why was it so hard to 372 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: get other Republicans to come to your rationale before this 373 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: disaster happened. 374 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: So our strategy was simple, and it started off as 375 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 3: the right strategy. We said, we're not going to pass 376 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 3: Ukraine funding unless you actually secure the border. That was 377 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: the right strategy. What was critical is actually secure the 378 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: border and the way to do that. The House actually 379 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 3: passed a bill and it's called HR two and it 380 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: is very tough border security legislation. It is mandatory, it 381 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: stops catch and release at mandates attention, at mandates deportation. 382 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 3: It building the wall, it ties the President's hands, and 383 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: it was designed to do everything possible legally to force 384 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: Biden to stop these open borders. The House passed HR 385 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 3: two was the right way to go. I've introduced HR 386 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: two in the Senate. I am the lead Senate author 387 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: for HR two. My position was very simple, you want 388 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: to know how you get this done. Attach HR two 389 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: to Ukraine funding, by the way, I would vote for 390 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: Ukraine funding and HR two. Why Because securing the border 391 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: is a massive national security priority for America, a massive 392 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 3: public safety priority, a massive priority for saving our nation. 393 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 3: That would be a good deal. You know what happened 394 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: when the bill came over, Chuck Schumer said at the 395 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 3: outset said HR two's off the table. We refused to 396 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: do it. Absolutely not. Why because HR two would actually 397 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: secure the border, and Chuck Schumer doesn't want to secure 398 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: the border. And so Schumer immediately rejected HR two because 399 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 3: it was effect and he would only agree to something 400 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: that was massively ineffective and that ensured this, this southern 401 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: border invasion continues. 402 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: So then how did leadership get this so wrong? 403 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 2: Because the American people, and the polling specifically on the 404 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 2: border crisis was overwhelmingly in the side of conservatives and 405 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 2: what we've been calling for, what we've been advocating for, 406 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: and for genuinely securing the border. In fact, it played 407 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: even more into the Hans the Republican Party after you 408 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: had this fight between Texas and cutting the razor wire 409 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: and the border and the myiarchists and what's happening with 410 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: the Biden administration, and the polling shows that the American 411 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 2: people are not with Joe Biden on this issue. How 412 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 2: could they not see that? How could Mitch McConnell not 413 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: see that? 414 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: Because Mitch McConnell, what he cares about is Ukraine funding. 415 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: He has said repeatedly it is the most important thing 416 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 3: in the country to fund the war in Ukraine. 417 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: And so does he believe that there something behind the 418 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: scenes politically? 419 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 3: I think he believes it. I have no reason to 420 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: doubt his sincerity in saying that. But he is passionate 421 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: about it. And when it comes to the border, Look, 422 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: would he like to secure the border shore? Would he 423 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: vote for something to secure the border shore? But but 424 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 3: it's not a driving priority for him. If it doesn't happen. Well, okay, 425 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: that's unfortunate, but it's not. It wasn't his objective in 426 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: this whole thing. And so here's the fundamental challenge. And listen, 427 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: this bill was negotiated by James Langford, Republican from Oklahoma, 428 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 3: by Chris Murphy, an extremely liberal left wing Democrat from Connecticut, 429 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 3: and by Kirsten Cinema, a liberal to somewhat moderate Democrat 430 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 3: slash independent from Arizona, and Lankford. Langford's a really good 431 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: guy and Langford has been just just gone through a 432 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 3: buzzsaw on this and basically what happened is leadership pushed 433 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: him out on a limb and then saw the limb 434 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: off behind him, and he's been getting pounded. But here 435 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 3: was the problem for Langford, and Langford was just followed 436 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: orders and did what leadership asked him to do. And 437 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 3: here was the problem. There were two mandates that were 438 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: non negotiable. Chuck Schumer's mandate effectively was we will not 439 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 3: secure the border. We won't agree to anything that is 440 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 3: effective securing the border. That was Chuck Schumer's non negotiable. 441 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell's mandate, his non negotiable was we must must 442 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 3: get a deal because what he cares about is Ukraine funding. 443 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: So Langford was essentially told do whatever you can to 444 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 3: get a deal from Schumer, but no is not an answer. 445 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: You must agree to what Schumer wants. And so Langford 446 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 3: spent hundreds thousands of hours negotiating with Chris Murphy, which 447 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: I do not envy the guy. That was not fun, 448 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: but he was operating from a position that mcconne wouldn't 449 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: let it say no. McConnell's instructions were get a deal. 450 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: So when you ask James, well, why are these terms 451 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: so bad? Why aren't there better, he says, well, that's 452 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 3: all the Democrats would agree to. Yeah, like, it's real simple. 453 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: If you want the Ukraine funding past HR two, and 454 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: you got to be prepared to walk away. Now. I 455 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 3: don't know what they would have done if that happened, 456 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 3: but we will never know because McConnell's immediate response when 457 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: Schumer said no, no, no, we won't do HR two is well, okay, 458 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: well then we'll do whatever you want. And it's even 459 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: worse than that. This was an incredibly misguided strategy. But 460 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: I want you to listen to McConnell at a press 461 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: conference today after our lunch to give a listen. 462 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: Good later Connald's ear the pleader McConnell. 463 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 4: Cleaterer McConnell, You know, Senator Schumer says that he worked 464 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 4: extensively with you on this package. What do you say 465 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 4: to your colleagues who said that you misfrite your conference 466 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 4: in helping to craft this quarter of price. 467 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 5: I followed the instructions of our conference who were insisting 468 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 5: that we tackled this in October. I mean it's actually 469 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 5: our side that wanted to tackle the border issue. We 470 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 5: started it obviously with a Democratic president and a Democratic senator. 471 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 5: Our negotiators had to deal with them, and James Langford 472 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 5: under those situations, did a remarkable job to pick off 473 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 5: the Border Council, which supported President Trump. Certainly underscores that 474 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 5: it was a quality product that that particular union felt 475 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 5: would make progress towards making things better. But as I 476 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 5: said earlier, things had changed over the last four months, 477 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 5: and it's been made perfectly clear by the Speaker that 478 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 5: he wouldn't take it up even if we sent it 479 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 5: to him. And so I think that's probably why most 480 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 5: of our members think we ought to have opposition tomorrow 481 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 5: we'll see and then move on with the rest of 482 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 5: the supplement. 483 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great story center, but doesn't seem 484 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: to necessarily add up with reality, does it? 485 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 3: Well? And I want to underscore. So you're seeing half 486 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: of what was the biggest fight at lunch today, and 487 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: so I wanted you to listen to that because that's 488 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 3: what Mitch said at lunch. And I have a policy 489 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: at the lunches, which is I don't repeat what other 490 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: senators say at the lunch. I think they're owed some 491 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 3: expectation of privacy that we can have candid and really 492 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 3: frank discussion. So I don't repeat what others say, but 493 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 3: I repeat what I say because if I said it, 494 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 3: I have a right to repeat it and say it elsewhere. 495 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 3: Given that Mitch went out and just said it to 496 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: the reporters, I can tell you that's what he said 497 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: in the room as well. And when he said it, 498 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 3: I stood up and I said, by the way, and 499 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: you listen to the words he just said. That press conference, 500 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 3: he said, well, gosh, it was the Republican conference that 501 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: wanted to tackle this issue. Notice tackle this issue. Yeah, No, 502 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: we didn't want to quote tackle this issue. We wanted 503 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: to solve this issue, fix the border. Notice, he said, well, gosh, 504 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: it's Democrats, so obviously we weren't going to succeed in 505 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 3: solving the border, so we just had to tackle the 506 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 3: issue and do what the Democrats want. That's his view. 507 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 3: But when he made that argument and you just listened 508 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 3: to it, I stood up immediately after him and I said, 509 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: I got to say, if Republican senators go out and 510 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: repeat what Mitch just said, it would be spectacularly harmful 511 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: and it would be a massive political favor to Chuck 512 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 3: Schumer and every Democrat running. And let me explain to 513 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 3: you why, because what Mitch argued. Notice he said there, hey, 514 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: you know, James did a fantastic job and this bill 515 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 3: was a great work product. It was a terrific bill. 516 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: And Mitch was like saying, well, just say, well, the 517 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: House wouldn't pass it. I said, let me be clear. 518 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: If a bunch of Republicans go out and say this 519 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 3: is a terrific bill, but the House wouldn't pass it, 520 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: every Democrat John Tester this week has already said, look, 521 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: I was ready to secure the border, but these crazy 522 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 3: right wingers wouldn't pass it. And their story they want 523 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: to tell is these knuckle dragging Trumpers don't actually want 524 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: to secure the border, because we had a great bill 525 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: to secure the border, and they're so crazy they want 526 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: so their argument is that Republicans want the issue, we 527 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 3: want a campaign on the border rather than actually fix it. 528 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you I yelled at my colleagues last 529 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: week when they were making this argument, and I said, listen, 530 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 3: for me, I've lived this border. There is nobody in 531 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: this body who wants to solve this more than I do, 532 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 3: because it is a travesty that is hammering and destroying 533 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: Texas every day. But I said, listen, if a bunch 534 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: of Republicans go out and tell the story, this was 535 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: a great bill that would secure the border. But you know, 536 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: Trump is so crazy, we couldn't do it. But the 537 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: Speaker of the House and the House Republicans, they're so crazy, 538 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: we couldn't do it, and so it's their fault. But 539 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: we had a fabulous bill. I said, listen, you are 540 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: literally repeating Schumer's talking point for every Senate Democrat incumbent. 541 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: If you want John Tester to win, go say what 542 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: you just said to the reporters. If you want Shared 543 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: Brown to win. If you want every Democrat running to win, 544 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: go say that. And I said, look what you ought 545 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: to say, And I said, listen, you don't have to 546 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: throw James Langford under the bus. He's a good man. 547 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: But the reason this bill sucks is because the Democrats 548 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: are radical zealas who don't want to secure the border, 549 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 3: and so they wouldn't agree to a bill other than 550 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: a bill that sucks. And that's not a complicated message. 551 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 3: You don't have to say, you know, Langford is a 552 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: horrible human being. You just have to say he was 553 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: given an impossible task because it depended on the Democrats agreeing. 554 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: And the Democrats want open borders. As long as they 555 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 3: want open borders, they won't agree to legislation that stops 556 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: open borders. But the infuriating thing is Mitch walked right 557 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: out and said it to the press. So he's perfectly 558 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: happy to say, hey, great bill, just crazy Republicans won't 559 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: pass it. And that's exactly what Schumer is saying as well. 560 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: The two of them, This wasn't a Langford Murphy bill. 561 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: This was a Schumer McConnell bill. This was the two 562 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 3: of them. And why was it? Because both of them 563 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 3: desperately want to fund the Ukraine war and on immigration. 564 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: They just wanted to throw whatever fig leaf was necessary 565 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: on the table to give to give an excuse to 566 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: try to get Ukraine funding passed. 567 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are gonna be listening. 568 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: They're gonna say, all right, well, yes, this seems like 569 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: this is a victory that we didn't have this bill 570 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: become all but there also seems to be a lot 571 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: of frustration of Okay, what's next. I mean, Senator, we 572 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: can't secure the border. 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Then in twenty twenty two under Biden, 619 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: get it jumped to two million, three hundred and seventy 620 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: nine thousand, twenty twenty three two million, four hundred and 621 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: seventy six thousand, and yet he wants to say the 622 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: only reason the border is not secure is because of 623 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. 624 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 1: It's a lie. They're the facts to back it up. 625 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: But what's next now, because. 626 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: Well, and let me explain more why it's a lie. 627 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: Listen. 628 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 3: What Biden is saying, what Schumer is saying, is that 629 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: we had a fabulous bipartisan agreement that would have solved 630 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 3: this problem. But then crazy Donald Trump and they're telling, 631 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 3: decided he didn't want to solve this problem, and he 632 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: threw a fit and said, don't pass anything because I 633 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 3: want a campaign on this. And then their narrative continues 634 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: to be and all the Republicans are sheep and they 635 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: just obeyed Donald Trump. And the reason this failed is 636 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 3: because because Trump ordered Republicans to oppose this. That is 637 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's story. It is also Chuck Schumer's story. It 638 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: is also the story of every single Senate Democrat. I'm 639 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 3: reading the clips and it's word for word every Senate Democrat. 640 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 3: And you know what, it's also Mitch McConnell's story. And 641 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 3: it's the story of several other Republicans who are going 642 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 3: out and they're saying, oh, you're just following Trump's orders. Well, listen, 643 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 3: I talked to Trump frequently, but I can tell you 644 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: I haven't had a single conversation with Trump about this 645 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 3: issue at all. I've been leading the fight against this 646 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 3: issue from the beginning. We haven't talked about this supplemental bill, 647 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 3: but it was obvious on the merits. I looked to 648 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 3: the merits and said, does this bill solve the problem? 649 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 3: And it doesn't, but it is incredibly harmful when Republican senators, 650 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 3: many of them just they don't like Trump and they're 651 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 3: frustrated now and so they're lashing out. But they're lashing 652 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: out in a way that helps Democrats. 653 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: So where do we go from here? I mean, there's 654 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 2: also another defeat. People are frustrating the House side and 655 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: impeaching my orchis that failed? Granted it could come up 656 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 2: for another vote, but as of now, it seems like 657 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 2: that's a failure. We have an open border. That seems 658 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 2: like another failure. Is this now just going to be 659 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 2: a wide open border till election Day? And that's what 660 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: this next election is going to be about. Hey, you 661 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: vote for Republicans and you'll get a secure border only 662 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 2: if we have the House, Senate in the White House. 663 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 3: Look, in all likelihood, yes, Joe Biden caused this open border. 664 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 3: Joe Biden could secure it tomorrow. He did it unilaterally. 665 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 3: He didn't pass any new legislation, He didn't change the 666 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 3: law to cause this crisis. He simply defied the law. 667 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 3: He made three decisions that caused this crisis. He stopped 668 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: building the border wall. He reinstated the disastrous policy of 669 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 3: catch and release, and he ended the incredibly successful policy 670 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 3: the agreement remained in Mexico. That's what caused this crisis. 671 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 3: Biden could change that tomorrow. He doesn't want to. He's 672 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 3: not going to now. Actually to fix this, we don't 673 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: necessarily need a Republican president, Republican House, and Republican Senate. 674 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 3: We just need a Republican president. If Trump were president again, 675 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 3: we would secure the border again. Why because he would 676 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 3: vigorously enforce the law. Biden is defying the law. Winning 677 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 3: the White House as the key to securing the border. Now, 678 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: with a Republican Senate in house, we can do more, 679 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 3: We can be more effected. But you ask, what's next, Well, listen, 680 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 3: what's next. Tomorrow We're going to vote on this supplemental 681 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 3: with the bad border provisions that's going to fail. What 682 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 3: we're anticipating will happen next is Schumer is going to 683 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 3: go back to the supplemental that has Ukraine and has 684 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: Israel and has Taiwan and does nothing on the border. 685 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 3: That's what he tried initially that we blocked in the fall, 686 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 3: and I don't know what will happen. I'm going to 687 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 3: oppose it because what I said before, I still believe 688 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 3: I'm not going to vote for this bill until we 689 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 3: actually secure our border. When I said it, unlike Republican leadership, 690 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't just reading talking points. I actually believe that 691 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 3: securing the border is the existential national security threat facing 692 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 3: the United States right now now, and we should use 693 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 3: the leverage that the Democrats desperately want on Ukraine to 694 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 3: try to get it done. So I think our view 695 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 3: should be, if you want Ukraine funding, attach it to 696 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 3: HR two and you'll get your funding. But Schumer's going 697 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 3: to take up Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan. He's probably going to 698 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 3: begin tomorrow, and I don't know what will happen, but 699 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 3: I think there is a very real possibility that a 700 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 3: significant number of Republicans vote for that, that they care 701 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 3: so much about the Ukraine funding, they're going to say, 702 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 3: we try it on the border, we failed, Now let's 703 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 3: fund Ukraine. If they get nine votes, which I think 704 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 3: is probably pretty likely, they'll get sixty, which is what 705 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 3: it takes to pass the Senate and so I think 706 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 3: there's a reasonable prospect that a supplemental bill that funds 707 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 3: Ukraine and Israel and Taiwan will pass out of the Senate. 708 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 3: But then I think it's very likely to fail in 709 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 3: the House. I don't think the House will take it up. 710 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 3: And that means that McConnell and Schumer and Biden still 711 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 3: have a problem if they want Ukraine funding. Passing a 712 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 3: clean funding bill out of the Senate is not going 713 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 3: to get the job done. And so what I would 714 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 3: urge the House to do is take the Ukraine funding bill, 715 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 3: attach HR two to it, and send it back to 716 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 3: the Senate and keep fighting. Use the leverage we have 717 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 3: to say, hey, you can have this funding if you 718 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 3: want secure the border first, because that matters more, and 719 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 3: use that leverage. Look, that will not come from McConnell 720 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 3: and Senate Republican leadership, but I'm hopeful the Speaker and 721 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 3: House Republicans will hold the line. And I hope that's 722 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: what's next. 723 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: It's going to be very interesting to see where this 724 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: all ends up. Center. 725 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 2: I appreciate you kind of takeing us behind closed doors 726 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 2: and explaining how the sausage is made here, because even 727 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 2: with this victory of it not going to become a 728 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 2: bill become law. There's still a lot of real, real 729 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 2: genuine frustration from Conservatives and it may be that it 730 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 2: is the election year issue. 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