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Speaker 1: R and BE Money. Well, we are the authorities R

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Speaker 1: and B. What's going on? People who have just tuned

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Speaker 1: into the R and B Money podcast. I'm Tank, This

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Speaker 1: is Jay Valentine. We are the authorities on R and

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Speaker 1: B music and in the building all the way from Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: mill Town. Huh anything with meal lit it mil do

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Speaker 1: My brother from another mother, Eric, thanks for the invite,

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Speaker 1: man waiting to come up and listen. We wanted this.

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Speaker 1: We want to kick this thing off the right way. Okay.

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Speaker 1: We want to kick this off the right in honor Okay,

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Speaker 1: in honor of Eric Baname. Okay, let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. First of all, all you

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden organic, Yeah, all of the sudden,

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Speaker 1: all you in touch with the earth, people, hopeful, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden you wait, listen, I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: started this ship. There was a man, yeah, walking barefoot,

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Speaker 1: barefoot huh. He had already had c shells attached the

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Speaker 1: strings and ship, and we was trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how is he doing this? Is he listen? I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to tell you every girl I knew, everyone's like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, Eric, I was like thinking on shoes up.

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Speaker 1: I love Eric and I'm looking at my temple and

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Speaker 1: was like stent in all the name we are not

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Speaker 1: we with no shoes. I'm gonna get rid of my air.

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Speaker 1: Jesus here man man, Jesus everything. It was every Dame,

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Speaker 1: Lenny Kravis, Maxwell, a very small group of elite organic men.

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Speaker 1: We all smell like that. You back then something ladies life.

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Speaker 1: He will be on Venice Beach and then I got

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Speaker 1: some opportunity for you. See this, He's been doing this

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Speaker 1: so freak, you said some money Eventually eventually, now y'all

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Speaker 1: coming to terms. Now you've got your feet now you

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Speaker 1: now you now you're not now you hold He's been

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Speaker 1: doing it and the women have been going. So let

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Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Yes, as your question, please do.

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Speaker 1: Was that because I want to talk about the bear

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Speaker 1: feet thing? Was that on? Was that on purpose? Like?

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Speaker 1: Did you know going into this like I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: them something something different, I'm going to give them something vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: very vulnerable with with my feet out. But I'm comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about that. I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

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Speaker 1: We were called Bene. We were first. My first record

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Speaker 1: Because my cousin was the lead singer. My cousin, Keisha

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Speaker 1: So I entered the contest. Nobody really knew I could sing. Bro.

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Speaker 1: on this note. I want to be cut off from

424
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: everything that's like top ten, top twenty on the radio

425
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: right now. I just want to be in like this

426
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: little fortress of musical solitude with myself and whoever I

427
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: invite to come in there and create with me. All

428
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I have to say as we're doing that, we don't

429
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know how this is working, Like motherfucking here,

430
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: but I don't know how that's gonna play out there

431
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: because it's like so intimate to us, and we're like

432
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: nerdy music heads. So that's kind of it was like

433
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: I was surprised. I was in a way. I was

434
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: surprised because, um, we were signed to what I was

435
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: signed to Warner Brothers as a solo artist, and they

436
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: really did just leave me alone. They let me just

437
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: do my thing. And then when I turned the record in,

438
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: there was a reaction like somebody just reinvented the wheel,

439
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: and I was like, really it was. It was just

440
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: incredibly surprising because like I said, um, I was grateful um,

441
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: and that it was at least it was affirming that

442
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, you have seen the bottom. I'd

443
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: already had huge loss, personal loss in my life, the

444
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: mother of my daughter dying all of a sudden. I'm

445
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: a solo that single father, trying to figure out the

446
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: next move. I was working at UPS when I told

447
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: you I was working at the studio. I was also

448
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: working at UPS uh and working at the studio to

449
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: make you know, to make a little bread. So it's

450
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: like I saw the bottom. And once I knew that, oh,

451
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: you mean, I can win by just being completely authentic

452
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: and in my appreciation for music, not the music industry,

453
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: but music, I was like, Okay, I'm not I'm not

454
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: gonna switch it up. And that's and that's a very

455
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: unique situation as all of us have been in this

456
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: music business for so long. Two Actually it's like getting

457
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 1: drafted to the right team because more or worked for you,

458
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: but universal may have not. You know, I mean, e M,

459
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: I didn't you know what I mean? So it's like

460
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: in that space man, that that in itself, and you know,

461
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: we try to give that type of information when we

462
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: when we do these interviews for people that are trying

463
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: to get in the music business, people in the in

464
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: the business to understand, like this ship just don't happen

465
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: the way you wanted at that time, and you gotta

466
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: keep pushing. You gotta keep pushing and until you find

467
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: that situation that makes the most sense for you. Eatly.

468
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: But we got off of the influx that came with

469
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: this here you're talking, you're talking. I'm gonna let you

470
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: surrounded by the baptized I tell you, I tell you

471
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: just here. A lot of people don't believe it is.

472
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: But actually now that you now that you know me,

473
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: you can to leave it. Like I've always been the

474
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: nerdy dude, like I've always been the if it wasn't

475
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: for music, if it wasn't for me being on the

476
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: stage and singing, like my game, like my just step

477
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: up to a girl game was was garbage, Like I

478
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: had no idea I need it, but I didn't know

479
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: I didn't need it because you know what I'm saying.

480
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: So okay, So then you got this guy who's basically uh,

481
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: looking at women feeling like I don't really have that

482
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: much of a shot. Two being on stage having a

483
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: hit song and having them literally come to me. It

484
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: was overwhelming. And I'm gonna say this, that's one of

485
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: the most like if you're not ready for that kind

486
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: of attention, may speak on it. Speak you will die,

487
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: yes or things around you well, because it isn't awesome.

488
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: Um and I don't use the word awesome like well,

489
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: it can't be great, but it is. It is an

490
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: overwhelming uh power. And if you are an insecure person

491
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: who always idolized women but didn't know how to talk

492
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: to them, and all of a sudden you're the guy

493
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: that they're coming at to talk to you, that could

494
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: be a very dangerous thing. And there is a process where,

495
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, for some of us, it takes a year

496
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: or two or ten where you feel me where it's

497
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: like I'm in that ten yeah you up, you know,

498
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit more time. It's a real

499
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: list thing. And because it's like all of a sudden,

500
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: I can have all of it. Are you fucking kidding me?

501
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: It was like like, speak on, man, come on, you

502
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: start Milwaukee, Milwaukee Maryland. Yeah, right, l A, Now, now

503
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta taste. When I went on tour

504
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: with Ginuine, it was it was like it was a

505
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: heavy taste. It was it was the taste that changed

506
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: my life. No, no, listen, I definitely from yes, you

507
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: are correcting that man. I know, and and Ginuine would

508
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: say to me, this is cool. I know you having

509
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: the time of your life. But it ain't nothing like

510
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: when it's you. And I didn't believe. I kept saying,

511
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm never leaving you to sing back, and you still do.

512
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: You still do on stage and we got to show

513
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 1: that he finds a way to sing back to get

514
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: up up. So it's like and when you but then

515
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: when it when listen, when I watched, when I watched

516
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: maybe I deserve um start charting and me going from

517
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: clubs like you know what was that like a hundred people,

518
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: thousand people to seven hundred people to a thousand people,

519
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: and then too co headlining radio shows and Rena's and

520
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: in London Chris and and and Narly you know and

521
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: and jar Rule. Jesus Christ, you have to be in

522
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: a all the RV shows all because my name was

523
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Tank and so sometimes they wouldn't even listen to my music.

524
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: Just saw my picture. Yes, so so so like you

525
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: take you, I just I was dropped in a church. Kid.

526
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Still I'm still trying, you know. I still it's still

527
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: biblical for me. It's their spiritual Lord. If you just

528
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: guide me tonight, out let me. Just if you just

529
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: let me get this tonight, I'm not gonna do it

530
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: no more. Like, Lord, please give me tonight? Did Lord?

531
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: Why did why did her ask? After? Look like that? Lord? You? Lord?

532
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: You did that? You did this? And I honestly was not. No,

533
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: you were not. I was not. There is no man

534
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: and people people don't understand this, bro, like you get it.

535
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: There is no man on this planet who works at

536
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: home depot or who was working at Wells far ago

537
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: right now. If you throw him in this situation, if

538
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: you just throw him in the whatever you want situation,

539
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: it will kill him, will suck the life out of them.

540
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: And so it's like you have to be in a

541
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: certain mental emotional preparedness, which I was not. But like

542
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: I said, it will take some years and you have

543
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: to live with some consequences to consequences, some losses, lossesces,

544
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: and it's like wow, I need to reevaluate a lot

545
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: of ship. So but there's you can't be ready for that.

546
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: And and I think on the other side of that,

547
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: the the upbringing and all of these things, and having

548
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: the family structure that we've had prepared us in a

549
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: different way to where we would be able to survive.

550
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Because a lot of people know,

551
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people just don't know. And and and

552
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: for you, you did it on a very public stage,

553
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: right because you know what you were involved in. So

554
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: it's like anytime it's on the public stage, it's a meal.

555
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: It's not only magnified a million times, but there is

556
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: a certain uh, there's a narrative that they want to

557
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: tell to you know. Now it's click fait, but it's

558
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: like to sell magazines to do this. Um, So things

559
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: respawn a certain way, and then on the very tiny

560
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: nucleus of what's happening on the inside, there are details

561
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: that no one else knows and maybe I'll never share,

562
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: but it's like it ain't mistakes were made. I've taken accountability.

563
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: That's what I've done. I've grown from from but from

564
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: the celebrity, any celebrity out there who's dealing with that

565
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: relationship and the fresh ship. That's that's that's a that's

566
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: a hard thing. It's even it's even harder now with

567
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: social media. Oh my god, it's even harder now, right

568
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: because back then you just have to try to see

569
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: you and take a picture of you and then write

570
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: whatever they wanted. Pig. You get tired of it or

571
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: they get tired of it, and now you make your

572
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: own and you started typing ship and now you're like,

573
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't, Yeah, maybe I should have. Just I'm

574
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: gonna delete that. Right. They've already called me the morning.

575
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: You'll call me about seven in the morning. What the

576
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: fuck did? What do you want to do? What's her name? Saying?

577
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: Can you stop this? No, I said, I said, but

578
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: I get that, I said, Tank. What you gotta realize

579
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: to a lot of times you're talking to ghosts literally talking. Yes,

580
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: are there some people that are real people that are

581
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: going at you, but sometimes it's just accounts that are

582
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: made to literally absolutely get a rise out of you. Well, now,

583
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: what come on down, come on out, dount Can you

584
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: just stop arguing on Instagram? Can you do it for me?

585
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: For two weeks? Believe no, they have to hear from me.

586
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: That's just not easy. I have this outlook on life

587
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: mistakes that might be a little different because granted, in

588
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: the moment they feel like the exact wrong thing you've

589
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: allowed to happen, or you participated in happening, or that

590
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: has happened to you. Um, but in my fifty four

591
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: years on this earth, you come on not know that.

592
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: I think I'm buying no more shop. Yeah. Man, what

593
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: I've learned is mistakes, all of them. And this is

594
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: gonna sound like some cliche you see on the Instagram

595
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: with a lion in the background of such but from

596
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: something that's just a terrible human. He's probably horrible for

597
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 1: the girls. I'm talking about some certain people whatever, it's

598
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: a terrible humans, right or the Instagram models with the

599
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: ass and it'd be like, you know, it's like, yeah,

600
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, I've got some growth, Like could be like

601
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: only God? You know anyway, so what what was those things? Mistakes?

602
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: Only God? Mistakes for me have all been an opportunity

603
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: to grow. So yes, I have made mistakes in my life. Um,

604
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: And I feel and I think it goes back. I

605
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: think it goes back to something something you hit on

606
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: the parenting thing my mom and dad instilled in me

607
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: a long time ago, Like, you are going to make

608
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes in your life? What do you

609
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: do with those mistakes? What do you do with those

610
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: traumatic events in your life? So when I have um stumbled,

611
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: when I've fallen, or when I've made mistakes in business

612
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: or in my personal life, you know, I take a

613
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: moment to fall back and see, Okay, God, what was

614
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: the lesson you were trying to teach me? What this one?

615
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes those lessons are obvious as hell, and sometimes they're

616
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: not so obvious, But every time it happens, it's it's

617
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a better version of yourself. My

618
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: first record deal, um, to answer uh, the question that

619
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: deals with more professional situation. My first record deal that

620
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: I did with my sister Ny, it was an incredible opportunity.

621
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: It was uh, two kids being plucked out of Milwaukee,

622
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: coming to l A, seeing things and experiencing things that

623
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: I only saw on Magnum p I and stuff like that.

624
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: You know, but uh, the record label didn't really give

625
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: us autonomy, didn't really give us control two make all

626
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: of the music we wanted to make, too, pick the

627
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: producers that we necessarily wanted to work with, or or

628
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: at least we felt like I shouldn't say that because

629
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: there was a lot of energy on my part where

630
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: I felt like I doubted myself enough. Is that twenty

631
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: something your old kid who well, I certainly can't know.

632
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: So if they tell if they're telling me I should

633
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: work with this artist and that artist, and I guess

634
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: I should. That was a mistake. That was a mistake,

635
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: and that's a mistake that every young artist like needs

636
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: to know right now. The reason why they own your

637
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: ship right now, young artists out there, the reason why

638
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: you get and the attention you're getting, it's because you're

639
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: a dope. Because the creative decisions you make are are dope.

640
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: Don't doubt that, you know, like, lead with that. Don't

641
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: let somebody else who have who's been on their own

642
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: journey and have seen their own ascent to fame and fortune,

643
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: um tell you this is how I did it, So

644
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: you need to do it. You need to do it

645
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: like this. Look, some of those lessons that they bestow

646
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: on you are appropriate and you can use that, but

647
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: their path is not your path. So I think that's

648
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest um uh lessons that I learned.

649
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: I think I learned early from that mistake. That's why

650
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: when I had an opportunity to the solo album in

651
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: ninety six Eric Benet record, I was like, look, okay,

652
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: we can do this record deal thing, but I have

653
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: to be in charge of everything from the way I

654
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: address to the way I look to the songs on

655
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: the album. I told you like the whole album. My

656
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: first album was like the demo between my cousin George

657
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: and Demante and me just me, so um, I need

658
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: to be in control. To the point where I named

659
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: my first album true to Myself because I had been

660
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: through the whole uh the alternative. I could only imagine

661
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Eric Bonet coming out as like the fifth member of

662
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: Joda see with like because that's the type of like

663
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: it's not you, you are somebody tried to get me

664
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: and like to get me in like a three boy

665
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: band group where it was me. I was the singer

666
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: nigga and it was like this dark nigga from from

667
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: like Nigeria or something, and it was a white nigga.

668
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: Who was who was who? And it was like I

669
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: almost did it. And this was before my first record deal.

670
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: I was like, and I was in the meeting with

671
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: the two guys, and You're like, come on, bro, this

672
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: is our chance. Well if you don't like it, you know,

673
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: we could blow up and then you can do your

674
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: own thing. I was like, yeah, but I don't know.

675
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: This is the same for me. So you're absolutely right. Man.

676
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: It's like, you gotta, you gotta. You're gonna be true

677
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: to yourself. You gotta be true to yourself. You have

678
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: to be honest enough with yourself to know your gut,

679
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: to know your soul so that when something doesn't vibrate

680
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: right with you, you were the first to know and

681
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: and and act upon that. No matter how old I get,

682
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm still that hungry, young creative dude from Milwaukee. No

683
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: matter what happened. Shut shout out to Milwaukee. Thanks. Hey,

684
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: Wisconsin came through, didn't they with that orange? Uh? Hold up?

685
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: You know what? And that's that's okay, movie star writer

686
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: all of that. Um, that's pivot to that because you know,

687
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't really do a whole lot of politics. You

688
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: know sometimes and listen you in between you and b

689
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: l you my god, I think that's the old that's

690
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: the old man in me, you are out there. The

691
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: old man ship is real because once you get to

692
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: a certain age, it's like, I don't get I was

693
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: just like you are saying it. I remember when I

694
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: first started doing it, my management was like, yeah, you know,

695
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: you know, we really respect that you want to voice

696
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: your opinion, but we got to remember there's there are

697
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: people out there who like your music who aren't exactly

698
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: on the same political like that man, we're talking about

699
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: a damn you know ship, damn Hitler he started kid.

700
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: Here's what I say. It's like it is a double

701
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: edge short right in terms of the political part of it,

702
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: right right, right right. Once you start dabbling into that place, um,

703
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: you can you can feel the shift of people who

704
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: were there for the music and then knowing find discovering

705
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: too much about you that makes them either go way

706
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: left or way right with you. But you're right, You're

707
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: you're out, You're outspoken in terms of you know, in

708
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: terms of the political uh, in terms of your political stance.

709
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: I think once you hit fifty, is there like any

710
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: any whatever like filter I had left that ship just

711
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: because you were you were attacking who was who was?

712
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, you said something, you said something running, ain't

713
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: singing and if it's in insane you know because you

714
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: and you young nigga, now you're putting we grew up

715
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: on you, man, stop doing that. Man, but a love

716
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: attacking the kids. Who was attacking the kids? At some

717
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: point We're gonna have to stop. You ain't know back

718
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, when I was in the

719
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: studio that I said, Eric, come on, man, stop, people

720
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: ain't ship you know, you just saying a dime on it.

721
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: But it was like like you were just I mean,

722
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: you were being honest about now you felt about it,

723
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Like I think I

724
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: was having one of those moments where hey, I love

725
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: like I am. I'm one of the biggest fans of

726
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: like dope runs and people who can run. It's just like,

727
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's like one of those

728
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: things where before the run, that needs to be the melody,

729
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: Like can we at least know what the melody is

730
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: before you start? Like and I know what I said,

731
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: and I agree with you, but had to say it,

732
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: but because because because I grew up, Yeah, you said,

733
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: Kim Barell, We'll see that's it's almost so guess what

734
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: I need it like she she didn't. She didn't make

735
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: a song that was like a straight ahead or a

736
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: commercial thing until way later. I know that sounds like bullshit,

737
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: but it's almost like that's different because because Kim Burrell,

738
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: Kim Burrell is a whole another beatle, it's not different

739
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: because I needed what she was doing. I needed it.

740
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I'm not disagreeing with you. Like

741
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: what young nigga Kim Burrell probably that's what it's like.

742
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: It's like these young niggas would hear Kim Burrell and

743
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, that's what I need to do, and

744
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: it's like, no, before Kim Burrell was I don't know,

745
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, i've met Kim Barrel. She's a

746
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: wonderful person, but I don't know like her whole story.

747
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: But I would imagine before she could do all that,

748
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: at some point she had to bay sits like she

749
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: could do a melody, sure so, and she had to

750
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: evolved to that. But I think one of the frustrating

751
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: things for me, it's like young singers would see the

752
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: Kim Barrel and be like, Oh, and that's where the

753
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: song is. That's all it is. But as I was

754
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: able to grab use it and use it in spaces.

755
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: And that's what the beauty of running like you you

756
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: well you're a songwriter, you're a producer, so you know,

757
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: construction of of of to learn to to stop singing

758
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: versus myself. You know what I'm saying, Like mode will

759
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: never be able to do this, Like that was my

760
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: mentality when I went into the studio, and you're not

761
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: gonna be like like maybe I deserve was like in

762
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: my mind my worst song vocally one of my biggest,

763
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't understand why until fifteen years later. That

764
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is incredible to me because kind of

765
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: feel the same way like with some of my biggest songs,

766
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: with some of those songs where and it's interesting how

767
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: this works. It's like you can be in the studio

768
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: and you can have some song that you feel like

769
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: it's a masterpiece and you just have to put no

770
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: every every box of that song. No no no, no

771
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: no no no, that wasn't right. I want to can

772
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: we can I bring the can the gatapler come back

773
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: to the studio because he wanted them to listen on this,

774
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like you can create this masterpiece

775
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: and people were here and be like, wow, let's do okay, um,

776
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: let me hear another one. And then you play a

777
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: song where you was in the studio for like four

778
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: minutes throw away. Yeah, you can be in a song

779
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, we we were just vibing on this,

780
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: and then I put some words on this motherfucker and

781
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, ship that that's the one. So it's

782
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: like a story of my the story of my career.

783
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: The song please Don't Go have been played for numerous

784
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: artists who album whose albums I've worked on. I was like,

785
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: I got this one thing right here, Blair, It's cool.

786
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: I'm in Glenwood Studios working on uh, working on sect

787
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: of Him Pain, and I got one day extra. I

788
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: finished all the songs I wanted to relate here. They

789
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: was like, it was like, well, you got one more day.

790
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: If you wanna do something, you do something. Okay, they

791
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: got good cookies, hang out at the studio, chill, and

792
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna record this one track is one. I was like,

793
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: I got this one track and just recorded Lonnie My Lonnie.

794
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, what you working on teams? I

795
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just working on this song right here,

796
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: like he's like, let me get some of that bridge. Absolutely,

797
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: it was a hundred percenter into the bridge. So he

798
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: puts the bridge down. I've seen the bridge. I'm not

799
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm just turning in with the rest of them. Turned

800
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: the song in what was and it was pleased don't go?

801
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: And they called me two days later, you did, nig

802
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: You did that ship? Nick? And I started naming every

803
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: other song, Oh oh, you like that ship right there,

804
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: and they're like, nah, said, oh, I know what you

805
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: want you talk about. You talk about that one because

806
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: I put that song No, not that with nigga. Nigga,

807
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: please don't go. I said, what right, nigga, it's a smash,

808
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: I said, are you sure right? You know what, I

809
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: haven't been out in five years. I've been on the bench. Yeah,

810
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: I've been at war Company five years. And they're like,

811
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: this is a song and I'm like, I don't I

812
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think that after five years of

813
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: being absent, that this is this, this is where we go.

814
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: We don't start with this, and they're like this, yes

815
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: we do, right, yes we do. Records I got I

816
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: got the same story. So it had been a minute

817
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: since I went through this whole thing with Warner Brothers

818
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: where um I um, you know, we did A Day

819
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: in the Life and that was a big record for me.

820
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: And then I did this other record, another album UM

821
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: called Better and Better, but they rejected my album, so

822
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: the whole the whole album. So I'm going to the

823
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: record label and I'm like, Okay, y'all don't really get

824
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: this album. Okay, will you let me leave the label?

825
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: You let me out at my deal? Nope? Okay, will

826
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: you give me like a budget to go in and

827
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: do some more ship like if you didn't like No,

828
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: So basically I'm just sitting. I'm just sitting for a

829
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: couple of years. They wouldn't let me out, they wouldn't

830
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: give me a budget to do anything else. And so

831
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm back home just vibing some songs with my dudes.

832
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: Ultimately I got another, um, I got a green lid

833
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: to do another record, and we were in the hum

834
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: My promotion man's room, Ken Wilson, you know that, my god. Yeah,

835
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: So we're listening to all these songs trying to figure out,

836
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: like what's the single, and we're listening we had a

837
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: couple of dope choice so yeah, yeah, man, you got

838
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: help man, man, this dope shot on that. But that's all.

839
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: It's like, I got this other thing. But you know

840
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: it's not a sad already shot that down. No, no, no, nobody,

841
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: this is something. This is something new that I was like,

842
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: that's this other thing and it's probably not a single,

843
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'll played it for you. Maybe we

844
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Speaker 1: put it on the album for the Japanese release, like

845
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: bonus track some ship like Nigga. I played the song

846
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Speaker 1: Ken Wilson, Nigga, that that motherfucker right there, Nigga, that's

847
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: your first thing. It was you're the only one? Wow, right,

848
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: but you played as your throwaway. Yeah. I thought it

849
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: was just like Jese. Yeah, I thought it was. I

850
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: thought because when we wrote You're the only One, I

851
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: thought it was one of those like throwback to you know,

852
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: the whole vibe. We were doing like a seventies throwback thing,

853
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know people ready for

854
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: that right now. It's probably just gonna be like a

855
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: cool vibe on the album. He it was like, that

856
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: was the vibe that ship right there. Maybe I don't

857
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: know what you're smoking. So yeah, and that was that

858
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: was number one for like number one, man boy's got

859
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot of my money mine. You have a part

860
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: of the show. Okay, right, you can do it, you

861
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: he can definitely. Does it involve calistinics or doing push up? No, no, no, no, no, okay,

862
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: it involves talking that talk, so it's called I ain't

863
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: sand on that. Whoah, listen, listen, listen, listen. It can

864
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: be funnier fucked up. Are both funny and fuck up

865
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: your story. But you do not say the names of

866
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: the other participants in the story. But you give a

867
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: no like, oh you're talking about that could have been

868
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: at saying, ain't saying Okay, but you know, I know

869
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: I didn't prep you for this name. You like to

870
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: do it on the spot. We like to the spot.

871
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: We'd like to get it honest, you did not. Let

872
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: me see now in my memory, I'm you know, I'm

873
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: doing like the fucking uh. They don't know, they don't

874
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: know who that is. No, not that either. No, yeah,

875
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: we're swiping. I'm swiping right now in my brain. Oh hell,

876
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: let's see no name, no face, no case, there's that.

877
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. It don't fit. I ain't saying

878
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: no name y'all edit this ship. No we broke you

879
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: name man, whatever you need, whatever you need. Um, Jamie

880
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: told us don't Edie ship. It cuts us out. But

881
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: wanted to add some ship. Okay, okay, okay, I ain't

882
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: saying no names. I mean this's I mean just in

883
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: the spirit of the conversation and being from Milwaukee, and

884
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: you know Milwaukee gets cold as ship. Mhm. A somebody

885
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: was this was I used to before I actually moved

886
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: to l A. I kept my I kept a place

887
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee for a while. And uh there was an artist.

888
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: Oh god, I can't believe I'm telling me mean burn

889
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: me here. If I didn't have like three glasses of wine,

890
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't say this. So that was somebody. There

891
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: was this female artist who I was kind of vibe

892
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: and by the way, full disclosure, was not married. This

893
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: was like Eric and Milwaukee, just like being at Milwaukee

894
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: A baname. There was this artist in Milwaukee and um

895
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: we uh we had stayed. I forgot how we got

896
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: each other's information, but we stayed in touch and she

897
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm I'm in Milwaukee. We should have

898
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: some drinks. We went out. God, this sounds horrible. It

899
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: sounds horrible, man, but it's really not that bad. So

900
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: we went out, you know, east side of Milwaukee. It's

901
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: all kind of dope little bars and dope pizza joints

902
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: and where one drink after another and as cold as ship.

903
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: I think it was probably like it was it was

904
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: it was. It was either December or January Milwaukee. So

905
00:58:54,600 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, that's no way, no joke. So we are, um,

906
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: we're drinking, we're eating, and as we're drinking and eating,

907
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: we're getting a lot more touchy Philly with the laughs,

908
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: the laughs, the lingering hands are lingering longer and boo

909
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: boo whoop, and then ah, we're both drunk, which this

910
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: is everything about the story is horrible because because I'm

911
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: drunk in the bar with this person and now I'm

912
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna drink, I'm like, where are you saying? What? What hotel?

913
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: You saying? Okay, I'm just driving that I'm not drunk,

914
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: incredibly irresponsible. So we're in the car and she says

915
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: we're driving past esther Brook Park. She says it's kiss streaking.

916
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm like streaking, Yeah, let's do it. So it's like

917
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning. It's probably like eight degrees

918
00:59:51,800 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: outside drunk as hell. That's a great idea. Pull over,

919
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, pull over. And that's the book park

920
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: in the parkt lot looking ship. We take it off

921
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: our clothes. We run through es the brook Park one

922
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, but ass naked ended up in

923
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: the bushes and that's where I leave the park and

924
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: the bushes eight degrees? You are? Did you have me

925
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: here about the nude run in Milwaukee? This this is

926
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: what we said. I got a lot a lot of

927
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: crazy white boyfriends in Milwaukee, so they got this are

928
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: they used to? I don't know if they do it anymore?

929
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: But on New Year's Eve, you got the polar Bears

930
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: and they jump into the polar Bears. But y'all did

931
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: don't know what the polar Bears is. It is a

932
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: bunch of crazy as white people in Milwaukee. On New

933
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: Year's Eve, they will strip down out to their swimsuits

934
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: and jump into sub zero water, freezing ice water for

935
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I don't know. But anyway, some other homies

936
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: in mine, some of them I went to college with.

937
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: But some of them were just like crazy as white

938
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: dudes like I would go have drinks with every year

939
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: they would do the nude run. You would run from

940
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: like River West all the way to the lake front.

941
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: But as Nick what, Yes, so you would do the

942
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: nude run and you would ultimately end up at this

943
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: public swimming pool that of course was closed, and then

944
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: it would turn into they were breaking the swim. Yeah.

945
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: So I did the nude run in in Milwaukee once,

946
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: but I feel like you do. Probably probably the nude

947
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: run walking. I didn't like what I know. I was lying.

948
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: You could tell I was lying, all right. Every year

949
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: like newde Road run, This niggas Will ferrell a n

950
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: that's franking tank right here, the gentleman. This has been

951
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: Everybody podcast with our brother Aris, but may be na

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Speaker 1: name name. Are being money money