1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Ah, beaut force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, Military 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys and the community 4 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: soft Prep dot Com on time on Target. All right. 5 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: So I've been saying for a few shows, I think 6 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: that we had someone coming on the podcast that was 7 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: in really heavy demand, and I didn't wanna. I didn't 8 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: want to spill the beans there anything, because you never 9 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: know if something will follow, you know, fall through. But 10 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: what I could say is that when I was at 11 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: shot show, there were a lot of people came up 12 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: to me that we're saying, you gotta get Pat McNamara 13 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and even like t O are managing 14 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: at it, it it was like, you gotta get Pat McNamara 15 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: on and we're bringing in it. Yeah, everyone wanted to 16 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: have Pat on, so we're happy that, you know, we 17 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: convinced him to take, you know, forty five minutes out 18 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: of his day to talk to us today. So watching 19 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: his stuff on YouTube prior just like getting set for 20 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: this interview, would you say he's possibly like the best 21 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: firearms and straw her out there for what he's doing. 22 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you have you have to define 23 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: best and what kind of firearms instruction. But I think 24 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: for real world applications, I think Pat is definitely amongst 25 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: the best out there. He's like one of those people 26 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: who I recommend when people ask me, like who should 27 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: I take a course with? He is like one of 28 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: a handful small group of people that I would you 29 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: recommend that I would send people to. So I think 30 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: Pat's right up there. I would assume that's, you know, 31 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: a tough thing to do, though he's probably in very 32 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: high demand. Yeah, I imagine he is, and we'll hear 33 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: about that. So I'm very excited to have him on. 34 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: We Delivered for you guys. Um, I'm gonna throw out 35 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: a correction. Two episodes ago, I mentioned that wild Bill, 36 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: who was portrayed in Banda Brothers William J. Grenier Um 37 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: died and Ronheim pointed out that, yes, I made the 38 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: rookie mistake of not checking the day of the article, 39 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: so I thought that it was March eight, of it 40 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: was March eight. I funked up to little rookie mistake. 41 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: Rest in peace, of course, to build on the anniversary 42 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: of that UM, but I always like to at least 43 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: point it out if I screw something up your fake 44 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: news in Yeah, I was fake news on that episode. 45 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Uh so my my fault. Guys. I will not do 46 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: that in the future, and I'm usually not duped like that. 47 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: It happens, it happens. But you know, we still got 48 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, our World War two vets. 49 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: So there's there's a silver lining in there. That's true 50 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: for sure. Um, not much else to get into it. 51 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: I know that you know the UNI bomber story happening 52 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: in Texas right now, that's UNI bomber two point Oh 53 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: it's not literally the UNI bomber. Yeah, it's not Ted 54 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: Kazynski used in prison. Um, but something's going on for sure, 55 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if they, you know, want 56 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: to speak to Ted Kazynski, is like to get some 57 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: ideas on what goes into the mind of someone like 58 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: this and maybe figure out what's happening We're up to. 59 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: What is it? Like the third or fourth Parcel bomb now? 60 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's creepy all this going on down 61 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: in tech this and um, I I haven't been on 62 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: top of this story as much as I'd like to be, 63 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: because I've been you know, committed in some other areas, 64 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: but um, I gotta have our writers are paying attention 65 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: to it, and you know, we'll follow those developments. Um. 66 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how it pans out myself. Yeah. Yeah, 67 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: so we'll you know, we'll keep you updated on SOFTWAREP. 68 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure that someone like Alex or Dan Yelle will 69 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: write something they're always up on, like the way this 70 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: news Kurt sometimes write something what's happening and what's developing? 71 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: All right, Well with that, um, we're gonna get over 72 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: to Pat McNamara. I'm psyched to have him on. It's 73 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: a long time in the making. Check it out. So 74 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: joining us for the first time on SOFTWAREP Radio is 75 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Pat McNamara and I do not both shoot you when 76 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: I say you were probably the most requested guests. Like 77 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: when I was at shot show, everyone was like, get 78 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: Pat McNamara on the podcast. So I'm glad this is happening. 79 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm honored. Appreciate it. Hey, Pat, it's Jack. 80 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: Just want to say thanks for coming on the show today. Yeah, Hey, 81 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely so. Pat, 82 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: as most of you guys who are listening now, is 83 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: former Delta Force, served twenty two years in the army, 84 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: is now a firearms instructor, probably one of the most 85 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: known firearms instructors on YouTube, and the owner of t 86 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: max Inc. The first thing I have to ask you, 87 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: that's totally unrelated. I saw on your Instagram that you 88 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: were at Judas Priest on Long Island two nights ago. 89 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: We're here in New York City, so I'm wondering why 90 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: we didn't get you in studio. Are you are You 91 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: don't live in New York though, right, No, North Carolina now, 92 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: Plus I was turning and burning. I had no time 93 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: for anything pulled in there. I had to uh uh. 94 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: We were out on Long Island. My wife and I 95 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: booget on Saturday morning to um uh the Memorial nine 96 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: eleven Memorial. From there, we uh sub waded up to 97 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: Central Park and then went by to Midtown and linked 98 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: up with a friend of mine and some fireman who 99 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: got us into one of the Irish pub is there, 100 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: which is pretty much impossible to do on St. Patrick's Day, 101 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: but got us in there. And then it wasn't emit Olnys, 102 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: Was it by any chance? Okay? Because Emmet's you know, 103 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: m It's like a big supporter of guys and special ops, 104 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: so it would have been cool if you saw him. 105 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: I did see that. He tagged Jose Man and in 106 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: the photo who I used to work with when I 107 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: was at Sirius x M. Great. Great, Yeah, I love Jose. Actually, 108 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: funny story is so when Mike Ritland visited UM Sirius 109 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: x M. He's a huge metal head, Jose got him 110 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: on the air with him, and then Jose just gave 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: him a ton of stuff. He was like, do you 112 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: want this panthera CD signed by Vinnie Paul. Take it. 113 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: He's like, take this bottle of Yeagermeister and I Mike 114 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: Ritlin looked like he was having like his Christmas right there. 115 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: So just I figured i'd point that out. Jose is 116 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: a great dude. Yeah. I went out there and hosted 117 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: Liquid Metal and OC Jane one day. Nice. It's awesome. Yeah, 118 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: that's where I used to work. I'm sorry, that's where 119 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: I used to work. I was at Serious XAM up 120 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: until May, when you know I brought I got brought 121 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: in full time to do this with these guys. No kidding, Wow, 122 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: that's that's wild, wild, small world. Yeah, Pat, I just 123 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: want to say also, congratulations on getting married. I remember 124 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: when we crossed paths um down in North Carolina and 125 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: you were engaged at that time. I remember meeting you 126 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: and your wife in the bar, and uh, I just 127 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: want to say congratulations, Hey, thank you. Yeah it uh man, 128 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: it's going so freaking well. I hit pay dirt on 129 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: that right and I definitely married several levels. So I'm 130 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: happy about it. And we are we are rocket man, 131 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: we are cooking with amish butter. Yeah. I feel the 132 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: same way. I got lucky. Yeah. Uh so, I don't 133 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: know where do we Where do we get started with this? Pat? 134 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: You want to talk a little bit about UM, you 135 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: know what you're doing these days, and you know, we 136 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: know that you know most people know you as Pat 137 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: McNamara firearms instructor. UM. Do you want to talk a 138 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: little bit about some of the courses of fire that 139 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: you offer? Uh? Down there, talk a little bit about 140 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: your business and what's available for people who are interested. Yeah. 141 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely so. I'm an mt T mobile training teams at 142 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: travel UM globally to do this. I'm trying to limit 143 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: my travel though, because I'm getting a little travelery because 144 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: I am in pretty much a different state every week 145 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: almost almost every week. And Uh, I either do my 146 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: typical courses a tax course, tax clappification, practical shooting combination, 147 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: UH car being pistol. Um. But I do a lot 148 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: of two day pistol courses or two day rightful courses. 149 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: And then UM, I do instructor classes and I do 150 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: a Sentinel class, which is a lot of fun to run. 151 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: I think I only have two of those this year, 152 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: the Sentinel class. UM. And then besides for the training, 153 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm co owner of mm A Jim and I've run 154 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: combat Strength training. I'm training people globally on the Combat 155 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Strength training. I had the book and right now there's 156 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: open enrollment on the UH the Combat Strength Training course online. UM. 157 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: And then I write for ath Line Outdoors, for Ballistic 158 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: Magazine and Combat Handguns. Um. I'm writing an article right 159 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: now for n R A magazine for the Carry Guard, 160 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: the New Carry Guard Magazine n r A. UM. Let 161 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: me see, I just put out a Sentinel DVD. UH 162 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: so that uh there's a package the Sentinel DVD, the 163 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: TAPS car Being and TAPS Pistol DVD. They could be 164 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: bought individually or as a package. Um I um man, 165 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: I got so much crap going on. And then you know, 166 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: I've got like, I collaborate with Rogue American Apparel and 167 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: got got my own brand of coffee t Maxie Blaze 168 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: ob Split Don't Dark, which is fantastic coffee. It's really good, 169 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: the off the Invader coffee line. And then um, um, 170 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna my new thing is only because I've been 171 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: bugged about it. Um. I do artwork, pen and ink 172 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: stipple points, um, and um I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I've 173 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 1: been against it. But a buddy of mine at a 174 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: defense Targets, uh, Danny Doman talked me into selling the 175 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: uh my some prints, some of the bird of Prey 176 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: prints that I have. So I'm gonna put those up 177 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: on my store probably in the next two weeks. Well, Pat, 178 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: let me ask you this not to get to like 179 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: xen on you right off the bat, but you know 180 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: you have some interesting hobbies. I mean, you're a talented guy, 181 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: not just a marksman. UM. I wonder if you could 182 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: talk a little bit if you think this is true, Uh, 183 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: if you know you're artistically and you know you've talked 184 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: to other things about um, like your interest in bird watching, 185 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: how these things kind of feed into marksmanship if they 186 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: do at all. I mean, do you feel that one 187 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: hand washes the other? That it's important to have a 188 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: variety of different interests in life. I don't think that 189 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: those those type of hobbies have anything to do with marksmanship. However, 190 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: there's a parallel when it comes to training methodology, for instance, 191 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: like in my combat strength training or in some of 192 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: the activities that I participate in, and that is, um, 193 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: you know, do the best you can with what with 194 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: what you have, think about performance versus outcome on stuff. 195 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: It's funny because right before I called you guys, I 196 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: was looking up the rules for speed golf, because well, 197 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: I play. I try to play golf once a week. 198 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't have the time to get out once a week, 199 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: but I try to. And it only takes me two 200 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: hours to drive from my home play eight team back 201 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: to my home only because I'm first out and I'm 202 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: hitting straight, so I got nobody in front of me. 203 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm not playing with anybody. But I thought, man, you 204 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: know'd be cool. It's freaking speed golf, um, because now 205 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: I'm boogieing, not in a car boogieing, and um, it's 206 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: a whole different scoring system. Involved too, but I'm not 207 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: sure I've got the legs for it, so I might 208 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: just try a couple of nines first instead of a 209 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: full eighteen. But I'm not even sure I answered your question. 210 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: I think I talked about parallel of them, but the 211 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: as far as like the other hobbies go, there's like 212 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: bird watching and stuff, there's really no parallel. Um. But 213 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: but with the birds, my vision distance vision is very, 214 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: very good, and I attribute that to focusing through the 215 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: woods and through obstacles and stuff like that. When watching 216 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: the birds, My vision right here sucks. Like looking at 217 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: you guys on this screen right here, you're a complete 218 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: blur unless I put these guys on. But my vision 219 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: out there is really good. So um, and it's it's 220 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's better than most people's vision that way. 221 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: You know, at a distance, like for instance, I could 222 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: see holes in paper on its target at fifty yards 223 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: nine millimeter. Do you find that it puts you um, 224 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: like say art or bird watching puts you in a 225 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: similar I guess meditative state is like when you're shooting. 226 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: You know, you find, like when you're a long range marksman, 227 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: the incredible amount of focus you have to put into 228 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: each shot. UM. Like I recently got into modeling UM 229 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: after a long drive spell. Not the kind of modeling 230 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: where you're like showing off your body that no one 231 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: wants to see that UM, but like painting, and I 232 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: find that it's the only time that it puts me 233 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: in this sort of like meditative state. That's similar is 234 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: when I used to shoot a lot. Yeah, there's no doubt. 235 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: The thing is you get UM. You're you're wrapped up 236 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: in the moment when you're doing those kind of things 237 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: and you're not thinking about anything on the periphery. You know, 238 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: you're you're in the here and now versus thinking about 239 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: your emails that you have to UM service or what's 240 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: on the schedule for tomorrow. That kind of thing. When 241 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: you're doing those things like that, the artwork or the 242 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: birds or the golf or fishing, you want to be 243 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: in the here and now. You don't you want to 244 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: you want to disconnect from all the other bullshit that's 245 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: in your life and UM get into that meditative state. 246 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: I think it's good therapy, especially for guys who are 247 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: really busy. You know, I mean, I'm probably heavy, but man, 248 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't have the time to uh to 249 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: work on most of them, even during the week. But 250 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: if I have that hour or two hours, I am 251 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna jump in and do something. I'm definitely 252 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: not gonna sit on my ass and watch freaking Netflix, 253 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, or something like that. I mean, UM, get 254 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: in my garden, or run the dogs, or play the 255 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: golf or whatever it is. Play some music, get on 256 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: the drums, get on the guitar, or whatever it is. Uh, 257 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: one of the other things I want to bring up 258 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: with you. But I have a few people in UM 259 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: and people we've met in cross pads with. One of 260 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: them was, um, George Hand and uh, you know, I 261 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: always well, I don't always do this, but sometimes I 262 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: do this, which is a little embarrassing. Like when we 263 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: had Mark Boyatt in. I asked some of his former teammates, 264 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: you know some of what what are some questions I 265 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: should ask Mark? And so he told us a story 266 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: about how he accidentally said his halo shoot on fire 267 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: with a smoke grenade. But I asked George, I was like, 268 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: what should we ask pat Um? He mentioned some story 269 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: about um, oh, what was that somebody going right through 270 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: your suspension lines on a halo jump. Yeah, dude, see George. 271 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: George and I go way back. I'm talking eighty four, 272 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: eighty five, and plus we went to selection together, We 273 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: went to combat dive school together. Um. I mean, so 274 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: a good and bad thing about a guy like that 275 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: is he's seen you at your best, but he's also 276 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: stealing at your worst. I don't mean asking anything embarrassing. 277 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: You don't have to answer, of course. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. 278 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: This was uh it's I was this close to retiring 279 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: and um wanted to get one more uh jump in 280 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: just to stay current. And in order to do that, 281 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: it was like an ash and trash jump, you know, 282 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: where you had to strap hang with a bunch of 283 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: freaking people you don't know, Um and uh which freaking 284 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: hey because I loved free fall and doing MMF with guys, 285 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: I know, because uh well people, Yeah, it's it's dangerous. 286 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: You could die in doing that ship. UM. So I 287 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: got on this pay her jump and um there was 288 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: this gal who is who is on Halo status and 289 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: she sat on the plane next to me and this 290 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: is all the way up by the cop and I'm going, 291 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, because I knew she was super sandwich. 292 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: I knew she was a football back, that she was 293 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: a shiitt eating turnup, that she was a chicken wire canoe, 294 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: that she hockey cleef. And so I broke protocol and 295 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: I achieved separation in the aircraft. Uh. And I walked 296 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: all the way down to the tail gag and buddy 297 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: of mine was JM And and I said, hey, Sam, uh, 298 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: if you want, I could poise or I could poise 299 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: out and you guys can dock on me because my 300 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: free fall skills were really good because I had like 301 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: six hundred jumps at the time. Uh. And he was okay, good, 302 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: and we're short final. So I'm standing on the ramp 303 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: looking down. He's doing his last commands. And I turned 304 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: around to look in the aircraft and this freaking chick 305 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: achieved separation. She closes the gap in the aircraft. She 306 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: walked all the way up and I'll face to face 307 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: with her. So I look at saying and I said, Sam, 308 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: scratched the poise. I'm gonna dive out. He goes, all right, 309 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: he's so freaking confused that point. So I dive out 310 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: and I am tracking. Man, I am freaking wow. I 311 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: am getting away from that aircraft because this is probably 312 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: my last jump. Um So, I am boogy man, I'm 313 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: full delta, I am boogying. Put on the brake, spooge, 314 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: and I turned around and here comes this freaking chick 315 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: right at me because she's flying like this, one hand 316 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: or her basically facing the altimeter and hand on ripcord. 317 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: So she's in a full track and she doesn't even 318 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: know it, and she's not paying attention, completely oblivious to 319 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: her surroundings. So I freaking I dock with her boom 320 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: and I give her one of these and I said pay, 321 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: you know, basically pay attention, and she gives me a nod, 322 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: and I booge. I achieved separation again. I'm booking man, 323 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: and I'm looking out in her check and check and 324 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: check and checking wave off nothing. I deployed my shoot 325 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: and like seconds after that, I deployed because I'm up 326 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: trying to break the ill get the brakes out, and 327 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: I felt something, you know, I felt my shoe wobble 328 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: or whatever, but I couldn't see anything because my arms 329 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: were up like this. Uh So, I I go into 330 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: my uh my canopy, check my um um, what's it called? 331 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: My your four point controllability checks and I'm looking up 332 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: and I got closed end cells on one side and 333 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, huh, I've never had closed end cells before. 334 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: That's weird. Um. So I'm thinking, well do I cut away? 335 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: You know you've got to, You've only got this much 336 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: time to think about it. Uh. So I'm looking at 337 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: the ultimate. I'm going, I'm at I'll wait another five 338 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: feet and it's still controllable. And now I'm at two thousand. 339 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: I gonna I'll wait till fift it's still still growing 340 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: away if it's a piece of ship. And uh, but 341 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: it was controllable. And I end up landing right on um, 342 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: right right in the pit area. And one of the 343 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: UH guys from the UH that riggers, one of the riggers, 344 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: he caught my shoot before it hit the ground because 345 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: they saw me coming in with it end cells and 346 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: he's inspecting it and he goes, holy sh it. And 347 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: it was a freaking gigantic hole in this thing, and 348 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what in the hell. And here comes this 349 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: freaking chick with her gin tech's helmet on, big red 350 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: face and a huge chunk of my canopy sticking on it. 351 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: Oh my god, man, that sucks. And I go you too, 352 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: you too. You flew through my fucking candy. I was 353 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: so freaking pissed. I want to punch a right in 354 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: the head. Oh my god. It was horrible. Yeah, but 355 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: that the evidence was still clinging to her face when 356 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: she came down. It was it was stuck in her 357 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: gin techs hell, there's no denying that. There's no denying that. God, yeah, 358 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: thank you for that one. The other funny thing, I 359 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: can't remember what I what I asked George, but um, 360 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: something about hand to hand combat and he just made 361 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: this off hand comment. He's like, yeah, for pt in 362 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: the morning, I used to have to box Pat McNamara 363 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: and Josh Collins. Lucky at me, this funny comment just 364 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: cut himself short because that guy's are really good, man, 365 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: he was his kickboxing skills were ridiculous, So I was 366 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: I was boughed. I'm wrong. Compared to those of you guys, 367 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: I was bigger and stronger, but those guys could hit 368 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: and box well. But yeah, I mean getting hit by 369 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: Josh Collins, who was pro you know, he had profile. 370 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: That guy. I mean when he hits you in the 371 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: bread basket, he comes around booge with the massive freaking hooks. 372 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: You are going down. I'm delayed affect you, I mean 373 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: his Yeah, so I I definitely know what it feels 374 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: like by getting punched in the face by both of 375 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: those guys, and it ain't fun. Maybe Georgia's downplaying it 376 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: because he made it sound like he was the one 377 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: who had a handful with both of you, and he 378 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: he way, he's way better, way better, way better. His 379 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: boxing skills were ridiculous back then. Yeah, yeah, he's being humbled. 380 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah he is. And did you want to I know, 381 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: you know Pat, Pat, we know you're a massive metal head. 382 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: I know Ian has some questions for you. Oh yeah, 383 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: for sure. So t O our managing editor, was showing me, 384 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: like all the podcast stuff that you've done with metal 385 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: and was like, you gotta ask Pat some metal questions. 386 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: So I guess I'll just shoot a few over. I mean, 387 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: the first of which would probably be how was Judas 388 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: Priest at the Colosseum, especially being that it's what it's 389 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: half the band now, because you know, you've you've got 390 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: members not there anymore. One member who's in you know, 391 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: has some medical issues happening, right, Yeah, Glenn Tipton has Parkinson, 392 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: So he's picking and choosing which shows he'll go to. 393 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: Now k K. When KAK left, he was replaced by 394 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: um Richie Faulkner. Dude, that guy what in the hell? 395 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: Holy freaking Jamole young Blood and kid freaking Slammer Jamma 396 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: and Alabama Rock and Roll in densic love whoa. That 397 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: guy was on it like a bonnet. Man, he was ridiculous. 398 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: I went into it. I gotta I gotta tell you 399 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: the truth. Man. I went into it not expecting much 400 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: because Rob's what sixty five or something? Halford, you know, 401 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: sixty three sixty three? Um, so I was thinking, you know, 402 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: because he can't still have a three octave range, you know. 403 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: Um dude, man, they did not disappoint best show I've 404 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: been to and I can't remember when I saw Iron 405 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: Maiden last summer, and Priest was way better. Uh they 406 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: had a replacement guitarists too for Glenn and uh he 407 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: was super freaking good. So you know, Ian and Dave 408 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: and and Rob Halford they were still there. Uh. Man, 409 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: they did not disappointed. Plus they played a bunch of 410 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: the old stuff, the Rippers center Saints in Hell. Are 411 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: you kidding me? They played Saints in hell man, I 412 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: may talk about a complex song is singing Rob was dude, 413 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, his freaking pipes are unbelievable. And the 414 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: other thing is he's just he's just the coolest freaking Uh. 415 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: He's the metal god. You know, he's the coups guy 416 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: on stage. You know, for instance, when he'd have the 417 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: audience participation hold the mic out, he would you know, 418 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: give give him a thumbs up instead of saying, oh, 419 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: it's not loud enough. You know, he was very appreciative 420 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: of his fans. Uh. They even um, they even did 421 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: um painkiller fan. I mean that's a freaking hard one 422 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: to sing, that's all all. Uh. I mean way up there, 423 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: that's bloody murdered, way up there. Uh dude. They did 424 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: not disappoint. You know who warmed up for him with Saxon. 425 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: And I said to my wife, why am I not 426 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: a Saxon fan? Yeah? I know that Bill from our 427 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: site is a big Saxon fan. Um. Yeah. I was 428 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: surprised to see that Judas Priest apparently had their highest 429 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: charting debut sorry sorry, highest arting, uh first week of 430 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: sales with this new album. And it's not even you know, 431 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: the traditional lineups. That's cool to see that they're still 432 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: doing it, and it's it's gonna be crazy when all 433 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: these bands retire, because you have right now, Azzi apparently 434 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: doing his last tour, which I know he's said before 435 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: he's doing. Um you know who else? I mean, Iron Maiden, 436 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: how many Year Slayers doing their last tour, Molly Crue, 437 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, the glam side of things, 438 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: but they you know, did their last tour not too 439 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: long ago. And it's just like, you know, once these 440 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: bands are done, who headline all the big rock festivals? 441 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: Like what's next? There's there's not really there's nothing that's 442 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: ever going to replace that. I feel like, yeah, there's 443 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of there's there's a bunch of newer bands 444 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: who are quality and right now, um with with with. 445 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: In the metal genre, it's all about who can play 446 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: the best, you know, like guitarists are competing against guitarists 447 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: and drummers against drummers. Like metal drummers don't do roles. 448 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: Do do good? Do good? Do good? Do good? Do good? Do? 449 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: You know? It's how complex can I make this where 450 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: but it's still palatable, it still makes sense, you know, 451 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: without just hammering a double basses the whole time. For instance, 452 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: Chris Adler lamb of God. What which? By the way, 453 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: I'm seeing them in June with Slayer to Camford, right, 454 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: Anthrax is on that. Yeah, not a big an Anthrax fan, 455 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: but testaments on it. Uh and I love them, I know. 456 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: It's it's almost like it's blasphemy to say you don't 457 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: look an tax dude, I can't think a single sign 458 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: freaking like by him. Man, it's all power chords and 459 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: and there you know the singer, I mean, he really 460 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: can't sing. And if you're a front man and that's 461 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: all you do, you gotta be you know, d O, 462 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: you gotta be David Lee Roth. You gotta be uh 463 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Rob Halford, you know, that's all you do. If you're 464 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: just a front man, you've got to be Phil Anzelmo, 465 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. You've got to be 466 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: a front man. You've got to be able to carry 467 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: a tune and energize the crowd. Uh. Sorry people out 468 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: there who love Anthrax. But I like Anthrax. But you're 469 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: you're certainly entitled to your opinion on that. Uh So 470 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: people are probably wondering, like favorite metal albums of all 471 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: time Pat Mcamarriy's top five. It's a lot of it 472 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: will be. I talked to U c J. The Metal 473 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: Motivator about this. You gotta look at good from beginning 474 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: to end, you know, no fluff, just freaking unbelievable. Metallica 475 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: has one of them, right, so kill them all or 476 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: master puppets from beginning to end, badass, uh rust and 477 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: peace right Mega beginning to edit it, I mean spectacular 478 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: by Megadeth, you're talking about Motley crue Um shout at 479 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: the Devil from the beginning to end, I mean ridiculous. 480 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 1: I was saying, I think Megadeth Euthanasia is a very 481 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: underrated one listening out of the youth and Asia is 482 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: a great one. Mm yeah, but you know they kind 483 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: of try to appeal to the masses with that one 484 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. But I love that album. Yeah, not 485 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: to answer one to answer as far as like favorite, 486 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: but I just named a few. Um, I'm not gonna 487 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: name you know an album that oh far beyond driven 488 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: Pantera beginning to end, you know, just badass, freaking badass, 489 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: no no fucking around, and unbelievable riffs, unbelievable vocals, uh, 490 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: and songwriting all of it awesome? All right? Well that 491 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: that's that covers the metal world. That for pat because I, 492 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, I can't turn off the listeners too much, 493 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: who are like what the hell are you guys talking about? 494 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: Because because I wanted to get into the shooting side 495 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: of things as well. And one thing I was wondering. 496 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: You know, you were at shot show this past shot show. 497 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: People ran into you, I know from the website, and 498 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's become a pretty saturated industry, Like what 499 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: do you think set someone apart? Doing what you're doing 500 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: as a tactical firearms instructor. Man, I've been asked that 501 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: a bunch and um, I think, Um, I can only 502 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: go by what people tell me. Like in a class, 503 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, for guys who have had a bunch of classes, 504 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I get a lot of dude, 505 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: best class I've ever been to, that kind of thing, 506 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: which is nice. I appreciate it, But when guys are 507 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 1: specific like, uh, your style of teaching is unlike anything 508 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: I've ever seen before, or I've never been to a 509 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: course where the instructor came up to me as I 510 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: pulled in and introduced himself and asked how I was 511 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: um or um. Hey, the performance based training methodology resonated 512 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: with me because I could use it full training spectrum 513 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I love hearing comments like that, teaching 514 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: style of the comments because I think that's what sets 515 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: people apart, you know, delivery and style, because when it 516 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: comes to one instructor versus another, uh, in like if 517 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: if he's a special ops guy, there's not going to 518 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: be a huge variation between what he's teaching. It's gonna 519 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: be how he's teaching it, how he's presenting it, how 520 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: how he's um making or managing time. That's another big one. Man. 521 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: I've been doing this a long time, so I figured 522 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: out how to manage time uh and to help extend 523 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: the learning curve because I don't want people working past 524 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: a point of diminishing return and um uh and make 525 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: it enjoyable and fun while mitigating uh grab ass because 526 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: I can't freak of tolerate grab ass on arrange. I 527 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: want to have a lot of fun, but no grab ass. Yeah. Well, 528 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: I mean you also, as you mentioned, have a ton 529 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: of experience teaching people how to shoot both in and 530 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: out of the middle military, So I mean that's a 531 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: lot of iterations to learn from and kind of murder 532 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: board your own work. So I mean that's got to 533 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: play into it absolutely, because I think what you learned 534 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: to is, um, there's a skill set disparity within a group, 535 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: so you have to adjust the training to make the 536 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: meet the individual's need. You have to also, um, leave 537 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: nobody behind but nobody on challenge. At the same time, 538 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: when you have a skill set disparity, and by virtue 539 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: of doing it a long time, you learn those things. 540 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: And another thing you learn is not only what to say, 541 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: but what not to say. When to keep your fucking 542 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: mouth shut, you know, because that's massive, man, Because when 543 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: it comes to teaching like pistol, for instance, there's a 544 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: lot of brain default megan instance, that go into that, 545 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta let the individual. You gotta 546 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: tell the individual to let himself put the analytical mind 547 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: aside and allow the body and the machinery to work 548 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: because it's probably correct, you know, the analytical side, the 549 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: primitive thinking side. Um. So it's real important to know 550 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: what not to say. I think when teaching pistol as 551 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: for example, too many are too eager to say too much. 552 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: So the message becomes a bunch of water down esoteric minutia, 553 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: and it's no longer palatable to the intended recipient. Well, 554 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear you say that because it reminds 555 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: me of you know, conversations and even experiences I've had 556 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: with Jim West in his approach to hand to hand 557 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: combat training that's very much geared to the individual and 558 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: the personality, and he makes that assessment of where you're 559 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: at and takes you from there. And I get that 560 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: sense about you as well that you're doing the same 561 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: on the marksmanship end of things. Yeah, because you know, 562 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: if a guy like I've had guys who have come 563 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: to UM six or seven of my you know course 564 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: is the same guys. And there's one guy, for instance, 565 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: who still shoots into like a modified weaver every time 566 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: becomes I don't even I don't even correct him because 567 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: he shoots well, so I'm like a screw it man. 568 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he's seeing few years old, you know, do 569 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: your thing, bro, You're freaking rocking. So now I could 570 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: all I can make you do is uh hell better 571 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: your personal style, and and I'll do that. I mean, 572 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't want him to shoot that modified weaver it 573 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: drives me crazy and it looks dumber than hell, but whatever, 574 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: it's working for you. It reminds me the medic on 575 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: my my O d A. He was. He was a 576 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: pretty salty guy and I was relatively young, you know, 577 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: eighteen bravo, and the way he shot was just not 578 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: out of the textbook at all. But he was accurate. 579 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: He was accurate all the time. So it's like, am 580 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: I going to get in there and mess with what 581 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: you're doing just because it doesn't look right, it's not 582 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: out of the manual when you're you know, you're putting 583 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: rounds on target and probably not worth it. Yeah right, 584 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean you know, I mean styles all are very personal. Um, 585 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: and I will adjust them if it's not working full 586 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: training spectrum, if he can't move with it, if he 587 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: can't set up with it, that kind of thing, Uh 588 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna start saying, Hey, start thinking about this, Uh, 589 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: getting rid of that turtle back and just stand up round, 590 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: Just stand up. You don't need a big turtle back 591 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: and super aggressive. Just stand up. You trust me. It's 592 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: gonna be better, it's gonna be faster, it's gonna be 593 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: more effective. Just try it. And he goes, dude, you're right. Yeah, man, 594 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: I didn't go home last night and smoke a bunch 595 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: of crack and dream the shoot up. Well, yeah, the 596 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: fundamentals and marksmanship remain the same. And I guess that's 597 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: the other thing I want to ask you about two 598 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: is when it comes to marksmanship, it seems like there's 599 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: a real obsession in that world with the cool new thing. 600 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: I mean what, yeah, I call them. There's a lot 601 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: of solutions to problems that don't exist. Um, so those 602 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: cool new things, gimmicks, gizmos and gadgets. I mean I 603 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: see a lot of them. Um, not too many of them, 604 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: because guys coming to my course are pretty serious, you know. 605 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: If you're if you're if you're spending money to train 606 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: on a weekend, Um, you're usually pretty serious about it. Yeah, 607 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see a lot of you know, goofiness. 608 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: Not a lot of it. Periodically, every once in a while, 609 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: I do. I see it more with you know, guys 610 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: that I drink beer with you who don't shoot but 611 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: own stuff and guns and happening. Then they're showing me 612 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: pictures of these gadgets they got. Oh yeah, pretty cool, bro. 613 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. Good for you. I don't 614 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: know what to say about it, but to me like 615 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: dumber in hell. But I'm not gonna say that to you. Yeah, 616 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: I just don't see the purpose in it. But yeah, 617 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of that out there. Well, I mean, 618 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: even if if we set aside the gimmicks and gizmos, 619 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: and I don't want to talk about the cool new thing, 620 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: but I wanted to ask you if you think there 621 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: are future trends in this industry, in this uh, in 622 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: this training field. I mean, do you see any future 623 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: trends happening or anything that catches your interest? Or do 624 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: you think that the fundamentals of marksmanship are just the same. No, 625 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: I see, I see future trends. It's guys who are 626 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: copying me. I should you not? Man Like when I 627 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: started talking about that, my thing was performance based training, 628 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: right and then doing physical stuff on the range, a 629 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: lot of movement taking stuff up. I mean, nobody was 630 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: doing that, but now justus be competitors. They're even talking 631 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: about performance based training. They don't know what it is, 632 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: but they're selling the desk performance based training and um 633 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: so um yes, so the future trends a lot of them. 634 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: If they're cool, they're gonna come from me. I'm sorry, 635 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: Yes that's hubrious, but I'm saying it because, um, I 636 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: guess because I'm old and crotchety and I'm allowed to. 637 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm allowed to crotchety. Um. But there's also uh, um, 638 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, there's also trends with different uh. The fighting 639 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: styles always evolved, like, for instance, knife fighting and that 640 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: kind of thing. You know, it's a big thing. Guys 641 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: who are in the shooting world will also go to 642 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: like knife fighting classes. I think that's a little trendy. 643 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how that fits in a scheme of 644 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: maneuver of things. Um, only because I guess I'm not 645 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: a big, a massive fan of it, that knife fighting. Uh. 646 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 1: And if you want me to go into why, I'll 647 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: tell you why. Um. But um, yeah, I I see. 648 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: The other thing is, you know that the mixing the 649 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 1: physical stuff with the shooting that's coming more and more 650 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: of a cool thing. I remember opening up an article 651 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: is two years ago, uh and um Recoil magazine and 652 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: um they had a quarter fight was my grid of 653 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: fire with the sandbag just like if I'm my you 654 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: did in Louisiana or Alabama or something or somewhere where 655 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: a guy had a shooting school and you know, arrange 656 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and the editor or the main 657 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: dude from Marico went down. It's all these guys are 658 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: so badass, Tom. They're making physical stuff with with shooting. 659 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's you know, typical of the stuff I'm 660 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: seeing out there. Uh. And this guy totally took credit 661 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: for it, which I paying him on Facebook and he 662 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: apologized and said, oh, dude, I always give you credit. 663 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: I said, I didn't see credit in the Recoil magazine. 664 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I mean interesting. And you know, actually 665 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: I would like to hear a little bit more expanded 666 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: on why you're not a fan of knife fighting, because, 667 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: as you know, Jack could say, the guys from the generational, 668 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, older Jim West it was, would be a 669 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: huge proponent for the knife fighting stuff. Yeah. Well, here's 670 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: the thing I carry wherever I go, right everywhere I go, 671 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna carry, I'm gonna pack. I got extra magamy. 672 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,479 Speaker 1: I have a folder. Uh, not a fighting blade, because 673 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: you know what you can do with a folding knife. 674 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: It's a knife. You can use it where you know, 675 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: if somebody says, hey, man, you got a knife. Is yeah, 676 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: but it's my fighting blade. You can't use my fighting 677 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: blade fighting, you know, So the difference Here's the thing though, 678 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: too all right, UM, I know that if if a 679 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: confrontation nine nine percent at a time, any confrontation is 680 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: gonna go physical before lethal. Right, It's gonna be physical 681 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: before lethal, you know, any confrontation. Um. And if it's 682 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: physical and escalates, I know that, Man, I can knock him. 683 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: I can knock him dude out real freaking fast. He 684 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: won't get common. It'll be um from a non aggressive posture. 685 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: It'll be spontaneous. Uh, and you won't see a common. 686 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: I can knock him out real fast, and I can 687 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: pull him over to the curb and let him rest. Uh. 688 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: Or if it goes lethal, I know I can. I 689 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: know I can dispatch him really fast and effectively. Um, 690 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: cut and the guy up. First off, you're not gonna 691 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: kill him, right, You're not gonna kill him. He's got 692 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: a bleed for a while, you know. And um, I 693 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: mean when you splay a dude open. I don't know 694 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: how many people who actually do knife fighting have seen 695 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: I was cut open? But man, is it a mess. 696 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: So you're number one. You're covered with this stuff. It's 697 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: not just gonna stick to him. You are covered in 698 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: this mess. There's gonna be pictures everywhere, cell phones and 699 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: all that crap. And now you have because the guy 700 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: is not dead. Now you gotta defend that in the 701 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: court of law. With this guy's guns all over the treet, 702 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: you are gonna be freaking hammered. Man that should be 703 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: going to see that go. Well, he just doesn't think 704 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: this ass kicks but cut open. No freaking wait, that 705 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: is brutal. That is unethical, That is a moral that 706 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,439 Speaker 1: is beyond human man. So I mean I'm gonna knock 707 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: him out or killing um. Yes, I got a knife 708 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: and I am prepared to use it. But that I 709 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: guess that's my I think guys will let me back up. Uh, 710 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: Jim West could fight, man smoke, you can fight, But 711 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 1: a lot of guys who do um knife fighting can't fight. 712 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: I think you have to be a fighter first to 713 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: know how to freaking you that blade and be effective 714 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: with it. You still have to be able to compartmentalize, 715 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,959 Speaker 1: compartmentalize all those pressures, you know, that pressure of a fight, 716 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: and to be effective with that, man, I could I 717 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: see guys who go to the knife fighting classes just 718 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: flailing with it, just flailing flailing, you know, if they 719 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: get in a fight and messy, messy, messy who and 720 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: it's and it's not gonna be legal, you know, to 721 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: be lethal with that blade. That takes you know, I 722 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: don't know, decades, decades to be instantly lethal with it. 723 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: So there you go. There's my there's there's my two 724 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: cents on that. Yeah. Well, I mean that's why when 725 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: people ask me who they should go and take shooting 726 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: course from, I tell him go see Pat mcnamarriage. Just 727 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: do what he tells you to do if you'll be fine. Um, 728 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: there was one other thing I want to ask you 729 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: if you'd be willing to talk about it, because you 730 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: had posted up this picture that is like literally mind blowing, 731 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about the one of you at the 732 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: Berlin wall like full like you you know that guy, 733 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: uh that that singer Gunther dressed up like it's just incredible. 734 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: I just want to know if you could give us 735 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of the backstory on that picture. Yeah. 736 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: So I had the luckiest career ever. I mean, I 737 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: mean that s F baby first group. Then I got 738 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: recruited to um work in a job in Berlin, and 739 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: it was like setting up networks, cold war stuff. It 740 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: was real, you know, cloak and dagger crap because you're 741 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: a German linguist, right you were. Yeah, that was a 742 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: prerequisite for that one. And I had another job. I'll 743 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: get back to that, But I had another job spying 744 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: on the Soviet Army and former Soviet East Germany. And 745 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: once the wall came down reunification, I went to a 746 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: selection at the unit and stayed there for my last 747 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: thirteen years. But yeah, that's so that picture um um 748 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: uh you know, goofy freaking German get up black shoes 749 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: and stupid pants and tracks from the leather jackets and 750 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: yeah mullets and uh ambiguously gay mustaches and all that crap. Um. 751 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: But the job was real, real, freggy cool. I mean 752 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: it was neat man. I mean I could I could go. 753 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: I could talk days about that and the other one 754 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: where I worked in uh former Soviet East Germany. But yeah, 755 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: real cool stuff. Yeah. I was very fortunate to be 756 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: to have been a part of that chunk of history. Yeah, 757 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: and you were there when the wall came down yeah, 758 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 1: well in eighty nine and then reunification in uh anyone. Yeah, 759 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: so for both. Yes, that's incredible. I am surprised Pat 760 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: looks as young as he does. You know, no Homer, 761 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: but you look at you look very good, sir. Right on, 762 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: Thanks man, I appreciate it. Yeah. I gotta take care 763 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: of myself. Man. I gotta eat right and exercise, because 764 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: I like to goof around, you know, to drink beer, 765 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: and I like to smoke cigars, So I gotta um, 766 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: I gotta eat. My diets ridiculous and my workout programs ridiculous. 767 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: So I have a young wife, you know, I want 768 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: to take care of her for a long time and 769 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: be as young as possible for her to and for 770 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: UM for those who are you know, for those who 771 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: follow me, man I am. I am extremely honored and 772 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: blessed that I have this following. And it's like it's 773 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: a complete demographic of people. You know, it's it's people 774 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: in their seventies and people in there. Uh, it's it's 775 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: people eight or nine years old, you know, who are 776 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: fans of my YouTube channel for instance. So um, I 777 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,879 Speaker 1: have an obligation to um stay stronger, longer and as 778 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 1: uh as fit and um relevant as possible for as 779 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: long as possible. That's awesome. Well, so the website for 780 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: those wondering, it's t max inc. Dot com. You can 781 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: follow Pat on Instagram at t max Inc. Um anything 782 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: else they you're promoting before we wrap this up, I 783 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: mean this has been awesome. Well another one, um for 784 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: those guys who have uh the income for it. I 785 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: collaborated with Carolina Arms Group and made a signature in 786 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: nineteen eleven, the Blaze Oppostitition nineteen eleven. Oh man, I 787 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: have never been instantly enamored with a gun before in 788 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: my life. I'm a nineteen eleven fan. I mean, I 789 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: love my clocks too, and all my other handguns and rifles, 790 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: but I have a I have a love affair with 791 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaker 1: the nineteen eleven good custom built one. So that's another one. 792 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: Carolina Arms Group Blaze oppos Edition nineteen eleven only being made. 793 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: I think there's a few left, maybe a half dozen left. 794 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: Um what else am I promoting? I got, I said, 795 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,760 Speaker 1: the Pantio productions, the DVDs. I've got two two books 796 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: and hard copies Sentinel and Taps, and then I've got 797 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: the e book Combat Strength Training uh. And then you 798 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: two channels Pat mac channel. Uh, like you said, Instagram, 799 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 1: t Max Inc. And I think that's about it. Yeah, 800 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: I saw the books on the website, but I and 801 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: I think you were saying the same thing, Jack Uh. 802 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: I was surprised you don't have like a memoir out 803 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: though right now, only because I don't want to be 804 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: a douche bag and write about stuff that I shouldn't 805 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: write about. You know, I've kept my nose clean for 806 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: a long time, um and um. In this industry, it's 807 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: not it's not. I realized it's not easy to do. 808 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: That's what I'm realizing. It's not the craziest thing to 809 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: do your nose, to keep your nose clean. So, um, 810 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: I was working on one, but more satire than anything else. 811 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: So if I have the time, I'll finish you. And 812 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: it's called Beer Bullets and Birds. When I read through it, 813 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, this is good stuff because it's 814 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: memoirs to a certain point. But I'm not going to 815 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: talk about like operations and stools and stuff like that 816 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 1: unless there's an anecdote that is a freaking riot, you know, um, 817 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: and that it relates to either beer bullets or birds, 818 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 1: because and some of those intermix, man. I mean, uh, 819 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 1: for instance, bullets and birds, there's a bunch um and 820 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: they're yeah, they're a riot, they're riot. So I was 821 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have a lot of bad luck in 822 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: the military, and when you look back at it, it's 823 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 1: funnier to hell. That's cool, man. I feel like a 824 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,919 Speaker 1: lot of people would read a Pat memoir for sure, 825 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: Oh for sure, well Pat, even if you know it's 826 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: not for everybody, but that's something if you did write it, 827 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: you don't even put into a safety deposit box. And 828 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: that's for your kids or grandkids or whatever down the line, 829 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: all right, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 830 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: it's pretty neat. Like I said, I was just very 831 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: I was extremely fortunate, man. And um I had like 832 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: the coolest military career. I mean I had two s 833 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,280 Speaker 1: F m os is and Halo and combat dives uh 834 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,439 Speaker 1: at at twenty at two years old. Um so even 835 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,919 Speaker 1: starting out, you know, um um, I started out fast track. 836 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: But a lot of it was luck and having the 837 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: right mentors. Yeah, getting in with a right group of guys. Yep. 838 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 1: So the last thing I was wondering too, is you 839 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: said that you got to host on Liquid Metal. How 840 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: did that come about? Jose Magnan and I met on 841 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: social media. You meet the coolest people on social media. 842 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: I think I've met some really freaking awesome people on 843 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: social media. So I picked him. I think it was 844 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: maybe four years ago. Um I on Instagram post where 845 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,479 Speaker 1: I dressed up as King Diamond for Halloween, and I thought, 846 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: you know, Jose Magnan like this, so I tagged him 847 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: just for ships and grants and sure, shitty freaking he 848 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,879 Speaker 1: paid me back and then we started chatting and he said, hey, 849 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: can I send you an email? Uh? And I sent him. Oh. 850 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,800 Speaker 1: I sent him the you have you seen the Bravo 851 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: Company the BCM interview that no, I haven't. That's eight 852 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 1: minute long interview. It's pretty cool, but the beginning of 853 00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: it has me running and gunning on the range and 854 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: there's some metal just stri I'm sure I don't want 855 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: a gay freaking tunes playing here. I don't want something 856 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: freaking screaming guitars and freaking banging drums. So I said 857 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: that to Jose and he was like, holy cow, this 858 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,759 Speaker 1: is the coolest thing ever. So he sent me sounds. 859 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: I said, and that's how he sounds Jose for those 860 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: who don't, dude, Yeah, he's funny. Everything with Jose is 861 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: you could talk about. There have been times where I 862 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: was like in the bad you know, we were in 863 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 1: the uh kitchen at Serious sax M and He'd be like, 864 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: we have new soaps in here. It's so fucking metal. 865 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,839 Speaker 1: Everything was metal Jose. He is the metal, the most 866 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: metal person I've ever met in my life. Yeah, and 867 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,479 Speaker 1: he has met every single person in the industry. There's 868 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: somebody in metal he is, madam. But anyway, send me 869 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: the email and said, hey can uh uh. He talked 870 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: about his uh connection with Affliction clothing, asked if I'd 871 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: be a brand ambassador and I was like, my shirt man, 872 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 1: I know the people who wear Affliction gear, it's like. 873 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 1: But then he said, oh no, no, there's a new 874 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: gun line and all this stuff, and I said, well 875 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: send me, yeah, I'll check it out. Um. And then 876 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,320 Speaker 1: he asked if I was going to be in California anytime, 877 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, I got a course coming out, 878 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, in l A area. So I did a 879 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 1: tu for and took him to the range one day 880 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: and we did a big Affliction um keep the drive 881 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,560 Speaker 1: Alive video shooting on the range with me teaching Jose 882 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: because he's a gun guy, because he's got a freaki 883 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: nu He bought a clock nineteen, so I said, bro, 884 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,439 Speaker 1: you gotta know how to use that thing. Just because 885 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: you have a gun doesn't mean you're armed. So I 886 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: gave him a couple of hour class and boom, he 887 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: picked it up like that. Uh and um. Then he said, hey, 888 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,359 Speaker 1: you want to come to the studio. I was like, 889 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,319 Speaker 1: are you freaking kidding me? Uh? And then he asked 890 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: if I wanted a host, So it was it was 891 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,359 Speaker 1: pretty easy. Uh but yeah, So that's how it came about. 892 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: That started. Oh yeah, because I was gonna say, I 893 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 1: gotta tell Sean at Liquid Metal about you, because I'm 894 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: sure he will like to do something as well. You 895 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: probably know Sean the Butcher. Yeah, great, dude, dude, all 896 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 1: those guys, all you guys who are freaking awesome. And 897 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, when you're a fan of the genre of music, 898 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 1: you also become a fan of that guy who's putting 899 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: it up and you always want to Rebecca and I 900 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: will like google him. What does this guy look like? 901 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: You know that kind of thing you've got a picture 902 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: in your head of what he looks like. But Sean 903 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: when he when he man, he's really freaking good at 904 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: what he does. Uh, And I love his um. You know, 905 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 1: working with Jose on the getting to the pitch is 906 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,719 Speaker 1: that what it's called, right or the tributa the tribua pit. Yeah, yeah, 907 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,280 Speaker 1: it's they're really good together on that. Yeah, I agree 908 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: Sean's I've known Sean for a long time, but yeah, 909 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 1: he does a great job on there. So I have 910 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: to mention that that he was mentioned on this episode. 911 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,759 Speaker 1: But I do remember hearing that Jose was a gun 912 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 1: It was I guess becoming a gun guy because Will 913 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: Cal who I were with, was like, Jose is a 914 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 1: fucking gun guy now, and I was asking him about that. 915 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: There's actually a very funny will cow story about Jose 916 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: Um that they were meeting with some like big investors 917 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,760 Speaker 1: of Sirius XM and just talking about what they do, 918 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: and I think Andrew was like, yeah, I do a 919 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: conservative talk radio show. We appealed to ages like thirty 920 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: five to fifty five, mainly male demographic, and Jose in 921 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: front of these big investors, he's like and we played 922 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 1: fucking metal man. Like that's Jose all the time. Yeah, no, 923 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: he is. He is the most most metal guy I've 924 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: ever met. Yeah. I've also heard Jose call himself like 925 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: a metro metal head because he's a metal head who 926 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,279 Speaker 1: also like waxes his eyebrows and ship. It's a little weird. 927 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: And he's so pretty, oh my god, his hair and 928 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,920 Speaker 1: his jewelry. Yeah all right, well, Pat, thank you so 929 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: much for taking some time out of your day to 930 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,879 Speaker 1: talk to us. You know, we'll let you get back 931 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: to your your business. Um, thanks so much, and when 932 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,480 Speaker 1: you're back in New York, let's do it in studio, 933 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: all right on absolutely yeah, um yeah, thanks guys for 934 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,439 Speaker 1: having me. Um. I appreciate the opportunity, and you guys 935 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,680 Speaker 1: are great hosts. I appreciate it. Anytime, Pat anything, anytime 936 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: you need anything from us, don't hesitate to reach out. 937 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,239 Speaker 1: Rock and rule baby. Thanks man, have a good one, 938 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,799 Speaker 1: all right, have a good one. Great having Pat McNamara 939 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: on uh Man, what knowledge from that guy and some 940 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 1: great stories that probably wouldn't have been brought up if 941 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,879 Speaker 1: not for you talking to George and talking to Jim 942 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,280 Speaker 1: so oh well, I mean that was just a little 943 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 1: I didn't want to put Pat on the spot. It's 944 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,720 Speaker 1: just a little way to kind of, you know, break 945 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 1: the eyes. Yeah, he didn't see if the mind and 946 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: he told those stories in pretty great detail, which is great. Um. 947 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,479 Speaker 1: I guess before we wrap up the things, I should mention, uh, 948 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,359 Speaker 1: you know, I'm probably gonna get some new copy for 949 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,400 Speaker 1: all the stuff that we're working on. We actually have 950 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,840 Speaker 1: a big company meeting coming up. But the newest venture 951 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,160 Speaker 1: from Hurricane Group really is Kuna Dog. So check out 952 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: Kuna Dog online, which is CEU and a dog. It's 953 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 1: on Instagram and we're basically doing is similar to what 954 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 1: we're doing with Great Club, but it's a box for 955 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 1: dog owners and specifically appeals to the type of guy 956 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: that listens to this show, um that just wants to 957 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: get great um food and great toys and all that 958 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,840 Speaker 1: for your dog that they're gonna love. And it's picked 959 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: by guys who know this stuff. So I'm excited to 960 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,839 Speaker 1: see what's to come of that. So check it out 961 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 1: Kuna Dog. Um anything else from you, Jack Now, I 962 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: think that's about it. Cool. Well, Um, next show, I'm 963 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 1: actually gonna in Florida, So we're playing one of the 964 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: old numbers only shows with the Odissean, who we mentioned, 965 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: and I know the Odissean will be happy that some 966 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 1: metal was brought into this podcast because when when you 967 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,719 Speaker 1: were even saying in our little writers group, you know 968 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,319 Speaker 1: what questions you want me to ask? Pat and uh 969 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: TiO is just like anything metal related, And I think 970 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,360 Speaker 1: I got some good stuff out. Yeah, and it really 971 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 1: is true what I said. By the way, think of 972 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,759 Speaker 1: um these headlining festivals in the future, because when you 973 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: think of big rock headlining festivals, it's always these bands 974 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: like Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Ozzy Osborne. There's 975 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 1: no more Black Sabbath, and these bands are getting pretty old. 976 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 1: Every band I've mentioned has been doing it for over 977 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,240 Speaker 1: thirty years. So it's just like, who is the next 978 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,319 Speaker 1: generation of bands to headline this type of thing? I know, 979 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,760 Speaker 1: he said, Well, I'm a god. There there's a few, 980 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: but there's there's not a whole lot. I don't feel 981 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 1: like there are the rock stars or the metal um 982 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 1: stars we want to call them that of today that 983 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,759 Speaker 1: there were in the eighties and early nineties. Yeah, I mean, 984 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. You got you guys know way better 985 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: than I do. I mean what do you think is 986 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: the genre as big as that? As you also know, 987 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 1: just walking around, I feel like everything is now hip hop, 988 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,759 Speaker 1: if you even want to call it hip hop. It's 989 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,680 Speaker 1: this auto tune pile mumble rap. Uh yeah, yeah, it's 990 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,440 Speaker 1: very like poppy in nature, how definite teeny bopper music. Yeah, 991 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,880 Speaker 1: And I'm a fan of all different genres of music. 992 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: But I also feel like, um music does not mean 993 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,280 Speaker 1: to this generation what it meant to even people our 994 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 1: age growing up, because I still remember, you know, like 995 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,919 Speaker 1: having my dad drive me to the store to get 996 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: the CD and then like putting it on my diskman, 997 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 1: being in my bedroom and listening to it from song 998 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: one to the very end. Now music is just something 999 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 1: that you like casually have on in the background as 1000 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 1: you're doing the tracks. Tracks like we had like when 1001 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,760 Speaker 1: we were younger and we were in that transition period. 1002 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,520 Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, you had a limited amount of money, 1003 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: so there's only so much music you were going to 1004 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 1: be able to buy. And then you know, by the 1005 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,000 Speaker 1: time you know, I was like what sixteen seventeen, we 1006 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: finally got CDR drives and so now we're pirating music. 1007 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: So now it's like it was like an explosion all 1008 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have a stack of like thirty CDs, 1009 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: like holy shit, And I listened to a lot of 1010 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,960 Speaker 1: um industrial music, electronica. You've said Fear Factory before, right, 1011 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,560 Speaker 1: which kind of plays the factory? I like them a lot, 1012 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,359 Speaker 1: um and I like like Frontline Assembly in Front two 1013 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 1: four two. All these these are like you know, classic 1014 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 1: industrial bands, uh, Skinny Poppy all that kind of stuff. 1015 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,120 Speaker 1: And um, you know yeah, like I said, you only 1016 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 1: had a certain amount of money to expend on music, Yeah, 1017 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 1: and so you had to buy something you really wanted. Yeah, 1018 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,640 Speaker 1: my friends Sam has pointed this out. Um, First of all, 1019 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 1: everything was either radio or MTV. Um, you know I'm saying, 1020 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: prior to Internet, my Space and all that really blowing up, 1021 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 1: like it had to be in your face from some 1022 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: type of source. And as my friends Sam put it, like, 1023 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 1: you would buy the CD single, um or the tape single. 1024 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,360 Speaker 1: I remember all of those. And then you know, if 1025 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 1: there were two songs that you like, that's when you 1026 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,280 Speaker 1: were like fully invested. All right, I'm gonna buy this album. 1027 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to it straight through. See what I think. Yeah, 1028 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't free to your disposal. And then 1029 00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 1: the big thing, as I was kind of saying before, 1030 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: is all right, I still keep a iPod uh nano, 1031 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,160 Speaker 1: which people think is you know, oh my god, it's 1032 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: crazy old school. But the reason for me is when 1033 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm listening to music, I'd rather not have a million distractions. 1034 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,320 Speaker 1: And I think now everything is on your phone and 1035 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,680 Speaker 1: it's just something you listen to while a text is 1036 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,000 Speaker 1: coming up, while you're watching videos on snapchat, Chat and Instagram, 1037 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,880 Speaker 1: and I just I don't feel like music in general 1038 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: is as meaningful now as it was to generation. Now. 1039 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 1: It definitely isn't. I mean think even before us, where 1040 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,440 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you would literally go out and 1041 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,000 Speaker 1: like buy a record and that's all you had to 1042 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,800 Speaker 1: listen to is that one record, you know, that one 1043 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: David Bowie album or whatever. Even the movie industry, I've 1044 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,440 Speaker 1: I've heard say the same thing because I've heard people 1045 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: and you know, directors and interviews say, you know, people 1046 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 1: aren't going to the movie theaters as much anymore. There's 1047 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 1: movie theaters closing down, and they feel like, you know, 1048 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,080 Speaker 1: I didn't direct this great cinematic masterpiece to be watched 1049 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 1: on an iPhone, right, as with the music. I mean, 1050 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,120 Speaker 1: how many people nowadays sit out and really listening, like 1051 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 1: you said, to a full album and like really get 1052 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,920 Speaker 1: into that album and listen to all of it and 1053 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 1: think about what it's about. I don't think that happens 1054 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 1: so much these days. Even opening up the c D 1055 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,640 Speaker 1: looking at the artwork, that's non existent for most now. Yeah, yeah, 1056 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 1: that's not even people kids today would be like, what 1057 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,800 Speaker 1: are you talking about. Yeah, we we're sounding like, as 1058 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: Pat said, Crotchy that we're in our early thirties. But 1059 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 1: it is true, man, it's like a totally different generation. Yeah, yeah, 1060 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,440 Speaker 1: I mean it just feels like music is so much 1061 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,840 Speaker 1: more disposable now, you know, it's like it's just tracks 1062 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,520 Speaker 1: that you have, music, movies, culture, And I even remember, um, 1063 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,480 Speaker 1: you know I mentioned Serious working at Serious when that band, 1064 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,840 Speaker 1: um it was one of those fucking you know, little 1065 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 1: girl bands that they're into. It was like, uh five 1066 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: seconds of Summer. I don't I don't even remember who, 1067 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,800 Speaker 1: but you see the girls who are like fans of 1068 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,680 Speaker 1: this band were thirteen wearing like Metallica and Deaf Leopard 1069 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,840 Speaker 1: shirts and you're like, do you even all these bands are? 1070 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,680 Speaker 1: It's it's become like a trendy, just hot topic thing. Uh, 1071 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,480 Speaker 1: Like you see a lot of young kids outside of 1072 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,120 Speaker 1: the studio, Like on the way to Penn Station, you'll 1073 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 1: see kids and like guns at roses, metallic shirts. It's 1074 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,960 Speaker 1: become a very trendy thing, like the Kardashians do it. 1075 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,680 Speaker 1: But there's even been pictures of like the the you 1076 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,040 Speaker 1: know Jenners like Kylie Jenner and Kendall Jenner wearing uh 1077 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Slayer shirts. And I do really think the Kardashians are 1078 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,240 Speaker 1: listening to Slayer. There was a picture of Kim Kardashian 1079 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,680 Speaker 1: wearing a Morbid Angel shirt and that was posted on 1080 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: some metal sites like there is. I do not, in 1081 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: my wildest dreams believe Kim Kardashian listens to Morbid Angel. 1082 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,720 Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid listening to Cannibal Corpse. 1083 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah remember that, I do remember of them. Yeah, it's 1084 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,320 Speaker 1: as heavy as it gets. So cool. Well, we talked metal, 1085 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: we talked guns. Um leave a review for us on 1086 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,000 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. People looking very forward to your memoir which 1087 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: is coming pretty soon, Uh in the fall. Yeah, I 1088 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: still got to go, but yeah, go on take a 1089 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,240 Speaker 1: shooting class with Pat McNamara will wide up of what 1090 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:19,400 Speaker 1: to do you've been listening to sulf Rep Radio. New 1091 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 1: episodes up every Wednesday and Friday for all of the 1092 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,680 Speaker 1: great content from our veteran journalists. Join us and become 1093 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,240 Speaker 1: a team room member today at soft rep dot com. 1094 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,120 Speaker 1: Follow the show on Instagram and Twitter at soft Rep Radio, 1095 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 1: and be sure to also check out the Power of 1096 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: Thought podcast hosted by Hurricane Group CEO and Navy Seal 1097 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,760 Speaker 1: Sniper instructor Brandon Webb.