1 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, See it is Wednesday, April first, and it 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: is twenty twenty six, and as we speak, we're having 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: arguments about what it means to be an American. With that, 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Landmark case 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court happening right now over birthright citizenship. 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: Arguments are underway as we speak. One side, the President's side, 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: has gone so far, and that's what we're going to 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: talk about in this particular episode. 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: Ropes. 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: We haven't discussed this ahead of time, but we listen 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: to every second of the arguments in which the Solicitor 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: General was making the case on behalf of the president. 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: After listening to that, we're not legal scholars, how do 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: you think is going for the president? 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: It seems like a lot of the justices have questions 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: implying just how messy this ask is implications of how 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: you will determine all these different scenarios, because this is 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: a very different way of viewing what it means to 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: be an American and will impact obviously so many people, 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: and I think it's just confusing. So it seems like 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: to me, and again so not used to listening to 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: Supreme Court justices and this has actually been fascinating to 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: listen to it, but it doesn't seem like it's going 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: great for the president. 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: Learn more in the past hour, probably about American history 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 1: than I did in three years of junior high school. 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: This is fascinating, folks. If you hadn't, this is just 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: amazing stuff to listen to. These debates happened. But the 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment, everybody in this country knows. You've learned it 30 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: in school. Everybody knows. If you're born in the US, 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: you are a US citizen. Automatically remind folks, I know 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: you have it in front of you. There are folks robes. 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: The actual language of the fourteenth Amendment will just hit 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: you with that first. 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: Yes, all persons born or naturalized in the United States 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: United States and of the state wherein they reside. 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: So at times over the years where opes this has 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: been challenged in court, and it's been deemed controversial at times, 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: but I think almost one hundred percent of the time 41 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: when this case has come up with a fourteen Amendment 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: is challenged, courts have ruled yes. In fact, if you 43 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: are born on American soil' American citizen. That's everybody on 44 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: the same page there right period. 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: It's been interpreted many, many times, yes, to give citizenship 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: to every single baby born in the United States. The 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: exceptions have been to children of diplomats and invading armies, 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: and it did exclude Native Americans until nineteen twenty four. 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: But short of that, everyone else becomes an American citizen. 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: All right, that's what everybody believes, and that's what everybody 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: essentially knows a cement and has been taught. The president 52 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: doesn't believe it. President Trumpy one, Oh my goodness. 53 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: This was day one, day. 54 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 4: One executive order. 55 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: It was one of the first things he did when 56 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: he became president for the second time of this. 57 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: Country, signed an executive order getting rid of birthright citizenship, 58 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: essentially saying and yes, he was making the argument this 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: was targeted towards obviously undocumented immigrants. And also he's using 60 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: the argument here lately that it has to do with 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: birth tourism, particularly China is focused on so many companies 62 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: have a whole thing they can send people here, you 63 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: have your baby here, that baby gets American citizenship. That's 64 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: the argument he's making. So that was challenged in court, 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: challenged almost immediately, and it has made its way to 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. That has brought us to today. They're 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: hearing arguments. Robes very important to note as we get 68 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: into these arguments. The audience today at the Supreme Court 69 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: is a historic one. 70 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: He's in the building. 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: President Trump left the White House with Pambondy, correct Attorney 72 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: General Pambondy and Yes, for the first time in our 73 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: nation's history, a sitting US president listened to oral arguments 74 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: of a Supreme Court case. And look, it's significant because 75 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: there are a lot of folks wondering what his motivation is. 76 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: Sure he could be curious. Yes, this is his baby. 77 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: This is very important and crucial to a lot of 78 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 3: the policies he's put in place and what he wants 79 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: to see happen going forward in this country when it 80 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: comes to immigration and legal status. But there's a lot 81 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: of folks out there who believe this is a form 82 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: of intimidation. 83 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: And they say it's absolutely inappropriate. Again, that's not us. 84 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: We are listened to legal scholars. It's inappropriate for him 85 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: to be sitting there. There is a separation of powers. 86 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: We didn't learn that in school. As well learn that, 87 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: but he is there. So the reason we're able to 88 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: hear this is that yet they were live audio. They 89 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: don't have cameras in there, but live audio is often 90 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: put out. So around ten oh five, it was scheduled 91 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: for ten o'clock. With ten oh five, the audio pops 92 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: up and they do get going, and they get into 93 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: it immediately. I did not hear I'm pretty sure there 94 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: was not. There was nothing you hear in the audio 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: that would suggest that President Trump was in the room 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: or had any bearing on what was happening. 97 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: No, And I think, look, it's interesting, Yes he's there, 98 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 3: and yes his presence could maybe be potentially intimidating to 99 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: Supreme Court justices. But these are Supreme Court justices who 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 3: have been I don't want to say heckled but kind 101 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: of publicly heckled on truth social by this president and 102 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,119 Speaker 3: conservative members of the court that the President even put 103 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: there in that court wasn't happy with how they ruled, 104 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: kind of felt like maybe they weren't being loyal. 105 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 4: To him, which of course they're not supposed to be. 106 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: So look, I do think among this group, they're fairly 107 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 3: used to President Trump and him not being happy with 108 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 3: them and them being okay with it, even just the 109 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: state of the Union just having him walk in right 110 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: after having said all sorts of stuff about them on 111 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: social media. 112 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 5: So this is a tried and true bunch. 113 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: You know. I'm curious how actually what the setup is 114 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: in the room. I don't know where he's sitting physically, 115 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: like how far away he's actually from the justices and 116 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: from the attorneys as this is happening. I was only 117 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: pointing to the screen that robes as we are talking. 118 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: This is still going on, and we would you say 119 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: that was a pretty good crowd. 120 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: Oh, it's a huge crowd that is assembled. 121 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 3: And we did get word that he left, correct after 122 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: the state or the government, the state presented its arguments. 123 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: Now that the ACLU, who was leading the charge to 124 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: argue their side of this, he left. 125 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: He didn't even want to hear what they had to say. 126 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: No, I wonder if that was always the plan or 127 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: if he went over and go, well, this isn't going well, 128 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: let me get the hell out of here. Because again, 129 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: we are not legal scholars. But if you're listening to this, 130 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean you're hearing justices use words like your arguments 131 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: are quirky, quirky, it's kind of obscure what you're trying 132 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: to do. It's kind of a stress. Those are words 133 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: they used in their arguments. And again, once we listened 134 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: to the other side, maybe we'll say, ah, they got 135 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: problems with that. But this clearly are not justices, including 136 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: the conservative ones who seem to be on board. There's 137 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: a quote I often use. The things in human affairs 138 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: are often a pull rather than a push. You're going 139 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: to have to almost pull them kicking and screaming towards 140 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: your argument. 141 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: Is how it felt. 142 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: Yes, that is exactly what my interpretation, or at least 143 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: my read on what I heard so far. 144 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: And there are. 145 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: Thousands of people outside the Supreme Court right now. It's 146 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: a beautiful day in DC, so I'm sure that helps. 147 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: But there were reports of folks who came and traveled 148 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: from around the country and spent days, nights sleeping, they say, 149 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: in very cold conditions on cold concrete to get in 150 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: line to get a seat in the Supreme Court. But 151 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: then there are just so many others who have come 152 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: out just to witness history right now, not. 153 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 5: Historic, just because the president is there. 154 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: But I heard someone describe it as this and this 155 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense for folks just to get 156 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: the perspective here. This is one of the most important 157 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: cases that the Supreme Court has heard in the last 158 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: one hundred years. The implications of what the Supreme Court 159 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: decides is going to be significant, and if they were 160 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: to take the President's side on this, it would be 161 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: earth shattering, like this would the. 162 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 5: Legal status of so many people. 163 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: And I know Roe v. 164 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Wade was a big shift in a precedent setting case, 165 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: right to have that overturned, But we are talking about 166 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: a one hundred and how many years we go back. 167 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: We're talking about the Constitution, an amendment that is central 168 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: to our identity as a nation. The possibility that we 169 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: are about to redefine what it means to be a 170 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: citizen of this country, we are about to redefine potentially 171 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: what it means to be an American, is huge. And 172 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: the first question we heard today Robes, came from Justice Thomas, 173 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas, and the first case he brought up, and 174 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: a question he had was about dred Scott. And I 175 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: encourage everybody you might remember dred Scott, You might have 176 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: heard Wang kim Ark a little bit. Look up those 177 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: two legal cases dred Scott versus Sandford and then the 178 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: US versus Wang kim Ark. Those two cases came up 179 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: a loes today, But the dread Scott decision is the 180 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: one everybody agrees ropes. 181 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: They call it maybe. 182 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: The worst decision in the history of the Supreme Court 183 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: just egregious, in which they denied citizenship to a freed 184 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: black man. 185 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: Yes, they said that he could not enjoy the rights 186 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: and the privileges that the Constitution affords to American citizens. 187 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: And yes, it is considered the worst Supreme Court decision 188 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: in the United States history. They said it obviously was 189 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: over racism and certainly judicial activism, and that is what 190 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: these justices are obviously trying to avoid. This is to 191 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: say this is a controversial case, is h I guess 192 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: just there's no real way to put just how important 193 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: this decision is. And it would be undoing just over 194 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 3: one hundred years of precedent that was set. 195 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 5: And look, you you mentioned the other case. 196 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 4: I'm you want Kimark. 197 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: But if they were too, And one of the justices 198 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: I can't remember which one, asked, are you asking us? 199 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: Are you saying that we should basically be overturning that 200 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: decision which allowed for a man of Chinese origin whose 201 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: parents were not legal citizens but lived here, but lived 202 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: here in San Francisco. They the Supreme Court decided in eighteen, 203 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight to give him citizenship all of his 204 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: his offspring generations of families. Would they now lose their 205 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: citizenship because his was deemed it would literally undo that 206 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: ruling if they were decide with President Trump. 207 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know why then I know the one 208 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: who's arguing is the US Solicitor General John Southern Sower. 209 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: John Sowers arguing did argue on behalf of the administration. 210 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why. And this is where we would 211 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: need a legal scholar. Why he was so against saying 212 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: we want you to overturn that like nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. 213 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: And there was confusion. I'd say confusion. Obviously they they're justices. 214 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: I was confused as to why, Like, how far do 215 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: you want us to go? What exactly is it you're 216 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: asking us to Do you want us to overturn that 217 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: president's setting case? Do you want us to compare it 218 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: to dred Scott? Do you want are we doing it 219 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: based on people's domicile or their allegiance. That came up 220 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: a lot, and we need to hit on that. But 221 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: Robes that the justices are doing their job, and I 222 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: listening to them, some of them sounded genuinely conf like 223 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: what is it exactly you're asking us to do? And 224 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: then after we do it, how do you implement it? 225 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: And Katanji Brown Jackson at the she was I think 226 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: she was the last person to question Brobe. She she 227 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: might have been the longest Q and A of any 228 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: of the justices. She might have been and I hate 229 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: to use the word because it applies to a woman here, 230 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: but she was as fiery and animated and direct and 231 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to hear it as any of the justices 232 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: that I heard. 233 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: Is that fair? I'm trying to She spoke. 234 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: Very plainly and saying that, hey, sour, pretty sure you're 235 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: going to have a number of hurdles to overcome. 236 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 4: With your argument. 237 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: And so she made it very clear where she stood 238 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: and how there were just way too many questions and 239 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: not enough concrete, legally based answers at this point, and 240 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: you could you could hear and again not to say 241 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: that the justices were confused, but they were confused by 242 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 3: the arguments being made. 243 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: Yes, like, well, if you want to do this, but 244 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: then we have to do that. Wait, wait, you're saying 245 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: this or that. And I was robes this idea and 246 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: the confusion. I can't remember which one and several did 247 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: bring this up. But you heard the words domicile and allegiance. Yes, 248 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: like your your citizenship is based on domicile and allegiance, 249 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: and they use all kinds of legal cases and legal precedents, 250 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: said in previous cases, but are you a citizen, Rogues 251 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: based on where you lived? Simply At some points he 252 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: seemed to be arguing that dom you have to be 253 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: a resident of this place and intend to continue living here. 254 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: But then in another argument, Rogues said, allegiance is what 255 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: really matters. That it's not just a matter of you 256 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: born here and live here. You have to actually have 257 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: some allegiance to that country. And this was a part 258 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: of their confut like which is it, because it didn't 259 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: sound like you could have both, Like which argument are 260 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: you making? 261 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 2: This is some of the most I'm telling you. 262 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: I learn more about American history today that I did 263 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: in junior high. 264 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 4: Yes, it was fascinating. I had to look up domicile. 265 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 3: To be honest, I really wasn't sure the lawful presence 266 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: with intention of it becoming permanent. So you're here lawfully 267 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: and you intend on staying. So again, I was giggling 268 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: things as I was listening, trying to make sense of 269 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: what I was hearing, while the justices were trying to 270 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: make sense of what John Souer was arguing. 271 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're hearing you intend on staying. But what does 272 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: that have to do? Does it mean you need to 273 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: have an allegiance to this country? They use so many 274 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: little examples, and I thought, I'm like, wow, it's something 275 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm used to doing, or I'm used 276 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: to people doing to me in everyday normal conversation where 277 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about one issue and then say, well what 278 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: about this, Well what if this happens? 279 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: Well what if dad? 280 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: They used all these scenarios, Well, what if a diplomat's 281 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: kid is born? Well what if somebody lives in Norway 282 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: and they come back to visit the United States and 283 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: have a kid, but they're US citizen, They go back 284 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: to North Like all these little things. 285 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: They had no intention of staying in this country. Do 286 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: their kids then still get to be US citizens. 287 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: It actually is the art. 288 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: There are so many questions that arise from a new 289 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: interpretation of the fourteenth Amendment. 290 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: And some of them for and I said, well, we 291 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: can't consider every little thing. But then I thought this 292 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: is the exact point, and they were making an argument rogues. 293 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: I guess you caught it as. 294 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: Well, about how what are we supposed to do with 295 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: the fourteenth Amendment? The framers how they wrote this thing. 296 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: Are we supposed to assume that they wrote it as 297 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: a general rule to apply to anything that might come 298 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: up in the future, or did they write it as 299 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: a rule that we now have the ability to interpret 300 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: for the times. 301 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: I don't know an amendment to an amendment, I don't 302 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 3: know what you do is kind of what it sounds like. 303 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: But I just thought it was interesting. I started thinking 304 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: listening to this. Okay, so what baby's born right now? 305 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: Automatically you get you know, in a hospital, you get 306 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: US citizenship. Now what do they have to do? Investigate? 307 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: The parents have to prove one of them as a 308 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: citizen or here legally before they'll even issue a birth certificate. 309 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I was just thinking all of what would 310 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: happen even at a hospital, or it's really now you 311 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: start to recognize what all would be involved in trying 312 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: to apply this new interpretation. 313 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: You said, that's had you thinking, Oh, no, you weren't alone. 314 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: Katanji Brown Jackson was thinking that exact same thing. 315 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: Stay here. 316 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: It was the most interesting part that we heard of 317 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: the debates, Katanji Brown Jackson literally asking the question, what 318 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: the hell is supposed to happen in the delivery room? 319 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: All right? 320 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: Continuing here on Amy and TJ on this April first. 321 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: Arguments continue as we speak in the Supreme Court right 322 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: now over birthright citizenship. The President's executive order ending birthright citizenship, 323 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: which is in the fourteenth Amendment, is being challenged. Hearing 324 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: arguments today on a landmark case. I guess we should 325 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: say ropes. There won't be a decision obviously today. I 326 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: think this summer, did you see I don't know which 327 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. Do they have an actual target time? 328 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 5: It's like June ish, isn't it? 329 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 3: Usually it's within Yes, it's not an immediate decision. We're 330 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: not waiting for a verdict or for you know, yay 331 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: or nay. But no, it will take months before we 332 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: will hear from the Supreme Court as to where they 333 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: fall on this. Yes, we can all try to read 334 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: the tea leaves as we hear the justices interact with 335 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 3: each side, and it doesn't seem like it's going great 336 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 3: for the Trump administration. 337 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 5: But I haven't even listened to any analysis. 338 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: And sorry you much adept to these things. But no, 339 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: we have seen no, no, no, no. We have been 340 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: following some of the live reporting that's going on. Several 341 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: folks have people in the room between NBC News and 342 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: AP News and NPR, and they're folks in there. So 343 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: we have been following, and we often get after we 344 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: hear arguments, there's almost a consensus when you see the news, Ooh, 345 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like they're leaning towards this, doesn't look 346 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: like they're leaning towards that. And yes, right now, it 347 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like they're really buying much of the President's arguments. 348 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure we do this when we watch criminal trials. 349 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: We hear one side like, wow, he's innocent here the 350 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: other side like he's definitely guilty. So I'm sure we 351 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: hear the other side will have a different opinion. But 352 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: Katanji Brown Jackson wrote she brought up a very important point. 353 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: She's said, I I want you to talk to me 354 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: about logistically, how do we do this if we do 355 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: it the way you're talking about in Rome, she went 356 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: right to the delivery room. How are you supposed to 357 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: established legal domicile allegiance. 358 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: And intent for where you're going to stay in the 359 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: livery room? 360 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I even started thinking about how that 361 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: might discourage folks from going to them think, and that 362 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: made me feel very concerned for actual the health and 363 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 3: safety of the mother and the baby. I would imagine 364 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: a lot of folks would avoid having to answer questions 365 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: or have to provide documentation just all of the implications 366 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 3: of what this decision could lead to if it changes 367 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: the interpretation, so many things would have to change in 368 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: terms of how. 369 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 4: We go about what we've been doing now. 370 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 5: In this country for more than one hundred years when 371 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 5: babies were born. 372 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: You know, we should note that at least the president's side, 373 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: a solicitor of General sour did say that they don't 374 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: have any intention or asking for this to go back 375 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: and be applied. Rich Rack, You know how many people 376 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: are couldn't even so we should probably say that out loud, 377 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: that is not what they're asking for. But Ketajie Brown 378 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: jasking Justice Jackson, Well, she said the argument of she you. 379 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: I guess it's sarcastic, but it's kind of for real. 380 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: Are we bringing women in for depositions? What are you 381 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: supposed to do? And the it's it's some people might 382 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: say this is the way to go, but I was 383 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: surprised to hear General Sauer said, yes, we have a system, 384 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: a computer system that would generate the status of the 385 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: parents in the delivery room. So before your child gets 386 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: a birth certificate, before it gets a Social Security number, 387 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: before it gets we can check the status of the parents. 388 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: His words, would generate the the status of the parents at. 389 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: Okay, but I have questions here because and I'm sure 390 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: this is if you really started to get into the 391 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: details of that. 392 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: Okay, they can say that. 393 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: But now how many times is paternity unknown? Obviously the 394 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: mom's the mom, but you need according to what the 395 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: Trump administration would have the fourteenth Amendment interpreted, a is 396 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: that you have to have at least one parent who 397 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: either is a citizen or is here legally correct. All right, 398 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: so what if you just got a guy who's a 399 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: citizen to say you're the dad. Now, so literally, this 400 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: is what would end up happening, because the only way 401 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: to prove who the father is a test. Yeah, there 402 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: are going to be plenty of ways if you need 403 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: one person. Okay, so mom's here illegally, but the father 404 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: is a citizen and oh, he's the dad, And then 405 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: you could start paying men to say, yep, I'm the dad, 406 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 3: unless you're now going to go and have to make 407 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: someone prove who the father is. And every time, I mean, 408 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: this gets really complicated if you have to prove that 409 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: one parent is here legally. 410 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: That scenario never even crossed my mind. But you are 411 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: absolutely correct. 412 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 2: It's a mess, and. 413 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: There are absolutely going to be ways to get around 414 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: it and to it's just where does it end? And 415 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: I know, I thought it was really interesting when John Sower, 416 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: the US Solicitor General. 417 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 5: Brought up the fact that most other. 418 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: Countries in Europe have this same law in place, or 419 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 3: the same understanding in place, where you have to have 420 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: a parent be a legal citizen before that child is 421 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: given legal status as a citizen of that country. And 422 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: the justices were very quick to say, what does that 423 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 3: have to do with her? Absolutely, what does that have 424 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 3: to do with our country policy. Why. I am sure, 425 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: that's interesting, but it has nothing to do with the 426 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: legality of this and our council here in the United States. 427 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: I thought that was fine because it was, you know what, 428 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: he asked a question that a layperson would ask, like, what. 429 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: Was I have to do anything? Are we talking about this? 430 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: He was like, it's interesting from a policy standpoint, but 431 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 3: it has nothing to do with the legality of anything 432 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 3: that we're discussing here. 433 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: And the audio, we encourage you. The audio is going 434 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: to be available later. It's happening live, really still going 435 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: on as we speak. But it is just really robes. 436 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: It's interesting to take a look inside the Supreme Court. 437 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: Yes, they do these arguments all the time, and they're 438 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: live and you can see the audio. And here where 439 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: do they hear the audio? But robes. 440 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: There are not a lot of cases that rise to 441 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: the level that most everyday Americans would go, hum, this 442 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: is interesting. 443 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: I should pay attention. This is one and I encourage 444 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: you should listen to it. 445 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely should. I was fascinated from start to finish. You 446 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: learn a little bit about the personalities of these people 447 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: who are oftentimes just seen as left or right or 448 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: good or bad that the President demonizes. To hear them, Robes, 449 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: even to hear their voices, I wo'na be hones with you. 450 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: I heard some voice. 451 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, this sounds like a fifteen year old kid. 452 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 4: That's so funny. 453 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say the same thing where I 454 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 3: couldn't believe how youthful and how energetic some of these 455 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: Supreme Court justices had Amy Cony Barrett to be specific. Yes, 456 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 3: sounded so young and youthful. I was surprised, because you're right, 457 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 3: we do think of these Supreme Court justices almost as 458 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: these scary I can't get too close figures. 459 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 4: They're not like me. 460 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: And then you hear them and you realize, oh, they're 461 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: just really smart human beings. 462 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: Yes, they're colloquial. 463 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: And how they speak sometimes they use commonly, they're not 464 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: using big legal lease a lot of time. 465 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: And how they cut for it is interesting. They will cut. 466 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm trying to 467 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: get you back on track here, and it is great 468 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: to listen to. This is a robes. I cannot believe 469 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: that something that was put in place this country can 470 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: never get past its origins. We cannot get past how 471 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: we started at twenty twenty six. We are discussing and 472 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: debating an amendment that was put in place because this 473 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: country brought people here that didn't want to be here 474 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: and kids were born. This is still slavery, This is 475 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: still racism. It this wee cannot It's twenty twenty six, baby, 476 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: and we're the Supreme Court arguing over an amendment to 477 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: our constitution, our most sacred document, that had to do 478 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: with slavery. 479 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you bring this up. And it was interesting 480 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 4: because we heard President. 481 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: Trump yesterday emphatically talking to members of the press at 482 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: the Oval Office. I have his exact quote, and I'm 483 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 3: going to quote him because we would say enslaved people. 484 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: He did not, But he said that this was basically 485 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: the fourteenth Amendment had everything to do with birthright citizenship. 486 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 4: It was the end of the Civil War. 487 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: The reason was it had to do with babies of 488 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: slaves and the protection of the babies of slaves. 489 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: It didn't have to do with the. 490 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 3: Protection of multimillionaires and billionaires wanting to have their children 491 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: get an American citizenship. He's referring to the birth tourism 492 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: there that was mentioned in the Supreme Court arguments today. 493 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: But he does break that down and the. 494 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: Question is if it was meant or intended for that purpose, 495 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 3: are we applying the intention of our forefathers or our 496 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: founding fathers correctly in twenty twenty six. 497 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting that when Sauer was 498 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: asked about birth tourism, he didn't have hard numbers. They said, well, 499 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: is the general idea of how many folks are doing this? 500 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: He started quoting news sources he did. He didn't have 501 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: an answer. I don't know how big of an industry 502 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: it is. 503 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: Honestly, it's kind of the first I've heard about it 504 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks. I didn't even know 505 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: this thing existed. Because this tourism industry existed. 506 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: Well, we hear about it here and there, and stories 507 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: we cover over the years it's come up. But who 508 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: was the which justice was it saying, I'm kind of 509 00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: surprised this really is all about illegal immigration, but you 510 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: all don't even dedicate that much of your argument to it. 511 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it was a female, one of the female 512 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: justices who said, look, you're making and also you're giving 513 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 3: very specific, small, small instances and then wanting to apply 514 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 3: it to something that you barely even discuss in your 515 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: arguments a lah undocumented immigrants. 516 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 4: So did point that out. 517 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: It was soa marior because she said, it's like ten 518 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: pages to this and only three pages to that. Isn't 519 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: this all about undocumented immigrants? Isn't this all this is about? 520 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: This is about billion And who's talking about millias? 521 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: That was a millionaire. 522 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 4: He's not trying to stop Chinese millionaires. 523 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically purchasing in a sense, a US citizenship for 524 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 3: their child by making sure their baby's born there. 525 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 2: Thank you for simplifying. That's what I was trying to see. 526 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: He's acting like he's protecting this country from rich people 527 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 3: who are cheating basically by using their money to get 528 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 3: their American their children American citizenships. 529 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 4: It's less about that. They're focused on that. 530 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: But the reality is, yes, President Trump and the Trump 531 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: administration wants to make sure that undocumented immer prints can't 532 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 3: come to this country, have a baby and then claim 533 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: that their child belongs here. 534 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: This decision is going to becoming very close to the midterms. 535 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: This decision is going to be talked about plenty and 536 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: once again on documented immigrants are going to be at 537 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: the center and romes. We know this has the potential 538 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: to split people. I think both sides, no matter what 539 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: the decision is, thinks they have an issue going into 540 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: the midterms for their For their side. 541 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 3: Well, they will rally their basis because the extreme opinions 542 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 3: on either side will rally those folks to come out 543 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 3: to the polls based on what this decision is. So yes, 544 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: they'll get a core group of folks who might come 545 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 3: to the polls for this issue. But I don't know 546 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: where the country is split on this. 547 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 5: I actually don't know. 548 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't baby there is some Look, we just came 549 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: up with it. It's a part of who we are. 550 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: It's a country, and quite frankly, it's a part of 551 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: this country that, for whatever reason, is endearing. There is 552 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: something about you're here, you're born here, you're one of us. 553 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 554 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: I know people take advantage of it, but I think 555 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: generally speaking, people are trying to get here, not because 556 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: they want to do what's harm, but because they want. 557 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: A part of the dream that they're seeing. 558 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: And I absolutely don't want anybody here who shouldn't be 559 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: here or is not documented here. That's I understand that, 560 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: But it is just something about it that maybe I 561 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: need to bring us. 562 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 5: You're tired, bring us yours. 563 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 3: It's that whole concept, the whole foundation of who we 564 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: are as a country. I was surprised though, when they 565 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: have a map up NBC News does on where birthright 566 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: citizenship is. 567 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 5: Granted in the world, and it's it's pretty much the America's. 568 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 3: There are a few countries here and there, but most 569 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: countries do not allow for it. 570 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: Well, we say, but they like to point to Europe. 571 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: Right. 572 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: That map you have is lit up from Canada all 573 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: the way down to Brazil, ain't it. 574 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the America's, it's North amer America, it's Central America, 575 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: it's South America. There are pretty much unconditional birthright opportunities 576 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: for anyone born in this hemisphere. 577 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: That's I was surprised. 578 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: Because all the arguments you hear about other countries don't. 579 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: Other countries don't. Other countries don't. Yeah, Europe doesn't, but 580 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: plenty others do. Or it continues again, folks, we will 581 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: give you our plan to hop back on and let 582 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: you know what the other side how those arguments went 583 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 1: as well, But as of the real you never know 584 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: what they're going to do, but it sounded like there 585 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: was a hill to climb for the administration to convince 586 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: these justices also rogues. We do this every once in 587 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: a while, that's the PSA. Sometimes I got uncomfortable to 588 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: a certain degree listening. 589 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: I heard it said repeatedly, slaves. I heard slaves, slaves. 590 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: I get it in the conversation, slaves, slaves. Just the 591 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: heads up, everybody. It's one of those things that has 592 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: many people have been trying to get out of the 593 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: habit of calling black folks Africans who were brought stop 594 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: calling them slaves. And it's just a matter of folks. 595 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: They are human beings. They were enslaved. 596 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 4: They didn't choose it, but. 597 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: They weren't slaves. And I know some people say, well, yeah, 598 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: that's what they that's fine. I'm just a heads up 599 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: to you. If you don't realize and recognize, there'll be 600 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: some circles you might be in and you say the 601 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: word slaves and people will really take offense to it. 602 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: So just a heads up, and it's about something respectful 603 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: because it does change how you view so many people 604 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 3: who were brought here against their will. They aren't what 605 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: they were forced to do. And I think that they were. 606 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: Obviously that's not their identity, but that's what we make 607 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: it when we use that word, and that makes a 608 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: lot of sense. 609 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 5: It's an easy change to make. 610 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 3: It might take some getting used to, it has for 611 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 3: me for sure, but it absolutely makes one hundred percent sense. 612 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: And it's about respect. 613 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: It's not the end of the world if you don't, 614 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: but it had to. 615 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: I think I was surprised that some people that are 616 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: in our circle sometimes talked to and had no idea 617 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: like wait, what just That's why I don't think anyone 618 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: sent enslaved individuals at all during this I. 619 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 4: Only heard I. Actually it's funny. 620 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: We haven't discussed this, but I heard slave the entire time. 621 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 3: The President said it yesterday as well, So, yes, that 622 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 3: is the word they were using that I was. 623 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 5: I was definitely a little thrilling. 624 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: All right, Well, uh, folk, we are keeping I say, 625 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on. We're keeping an ear or two. 626 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: What's happening at the Supreme Court today. We'll hop back on. 627 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: Let you know how the other side, what's her name, Alicia, 628 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: no Cecilia. 629 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: She is putting on as we speak. 630 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: We'll take a listen to her and let you know 631 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: how that went, but we always appreciate you spending some 632 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: time with us. From my dear Amy Roboc, I am TJ. 633 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to us soon.