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Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing.

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Speaker 1: In recognition of the upcoming Academy Awards ceremony, we offer

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Speaker 1: you a special week of conversations from our archives with

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Speaker 1: guests who have actually won an Oscar and one guest

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Speaker 1: who was a current Oscar nominee. We begin with Barbara

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Speaker 1: streisand Don't tell Me not to Live just sitting cut up.

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Speaker 1: There really are no words to describe the talent, the career,

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Speaker 1: the woman that is Barbara streisand Don't streisand first on

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Speaker 1: the scene in nineteen sixty four with Funny Girl on Broadway,

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Speaker 1: Right when it felt like the suburbs and McCarthy ism

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Speaker 1: might go on forever, the Beatles show up on the

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Speaker 1: Ed Sullivan Show, and on Broadway along comes this phenomenon,

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Speaker 1: this totally new, unusual, gorgeous, nakedly ambitious Jewish girl from

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn in close, so wildly bright they blow out your

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Speaker 1: new color TV affection. She kept her name, she kept

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Speaker 1: her nose, she kept that accent. She could not be

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Speaker 1: more different from what wasp culture told women they should be.

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Speaker 1: New York is just full of unusual and interesting girls.

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Speaker 1: Who was starting out in the show business, but few

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Speaker 1: of them have the style as early as this young lady.

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Speaker 1: She's nineteen years old. Her name is Barbara Streisand and

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Speaker 1: then she gets on stage. She's grounded, she's powerful, and

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Speaker 1: she's got the greatest voice America has ever heard than

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Speaker 1: a male. Over the following years, we also learned she's

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Speaker 1: a great dress Here she is trying to win Redford's

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Speaker 1: love in the way we were sure. I make waves.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have to, and I'll keep making them

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Speaker 1: until your every wonderful thing you should be and will be.

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Speaker 1: You'll never find anyone as good for you as I am.

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Speaker 1: To believe in you as much as I do, I

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Speaker 1: love you as much. Well not why Streisand develops a

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Speaker 1: reputation for being difficult and for being a bit of

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Speaker 1: a recluse. She gets married, divorced, has a kid, but

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Speaker 1: all the while she just keeps getting better and more famous,

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Speaker 1: until she's this unique character in American culture, a megastar

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Speaker 1: on her own terms. Since we first met in ninet,

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Speaker 1: we become friends. We talked at her home in southern California.

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Speaker 1: By the way, still to do me a favor, take

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Speaker 1: the clock and make sure it works like it needs

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Speaker 1: batteries or wounder. Okay, thank you so much. You walk

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Speaker 1: around the house and you have you just that just goes.

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Speaker 1: How is this not taken care of? You? See, to

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Speaker 1: work for somebody like you or me, you have to

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Speaker 1: understand the artist's temperament. People don't see that. The time

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Speaker 1: is wrong. I wasn't going to start with this, but

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Speaker 1: I'll ask you. But I'll ask you because that instinctive

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Speaker 1: I for detail and just thinking all the time about

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Speaker 1: I want this, I want this, I want this. Is

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Speaker 1: that what naturally propelled you into directing films? Yes? That,

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Speaker 1: and also it was something that happened during the way

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Speaker 1: we were where two scenes were cut out that were

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Speaker 1: intrinsic to the value of the story. And it made

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Speaker 1: me so crazy that they couldn't see that that propelled

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Speaker 1: you went to that propelled me into it. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: understand it. And it's hard to call all with a

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Speaker 1: it's grown to me. It was Warren Beatty said to me, once,

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Speaker 1: is it until you take ultimate responsibility and you're willing

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Speaker 1: to direct the movie you're gonna be constantly frustrated. And

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Speaker 1: he said, you must consider that if it was so delicious.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, when you finally have the

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Speaker 1: power to control your work, you you get very humble

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Speaker 1: in a sense. It's like I wanted to give power

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Speaker 1: away to other people as well. You know, I would say,

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Speaker 1: this is the shot, but I want you to be

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Speaker 1: able to tell me where to stand. In other words,

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Speaker 1: it's a feeling of such gratitude where you you never

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Speaker 1: have to raise your voice because everybody's finally listening. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to get angry about anything they weren't listening before.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes well sometimes when I would say things as just

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Speaker 1: story the way we were, it went um on deaf ears.

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Speaker 1: You know, they didn't agree with me whatever. But when

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Speaker 1: you see something so clearly, um, that's wrong to me

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Um and the crew was so

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Speaker 1: to teach them how to be Jewish, you know, how

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Speaker 1: to get vegetables. Because you know, their food diet was

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Speaker 1: like hot trunk. I loved it, of course, bread and

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Speaker 1: And we'd always have the most delicious teas that I'd

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Speaker 1: and they it was very sweet. Because the whole crew

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Speaker 1: wrote a letter that's one of my prized possessions, I

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Speaker 1: and it said that you know, Ms try said something

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Speaker 1: the stories we've heard about her, and no newspaper would

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Speaker 1: you said, the upside of that experience where the Yente

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Speaker 1: was working in a culture where the power of women

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Speaker 1: least about what happened here, not just because this guy won,

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Speaker 1: but I really do think misogyny and well, in four

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Speaker 1: I did get some sort of award from women in

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Speaker 1: film directing Yental, and a lot of my speech was

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Speaker 1: even talk about this celebration of womanhood, that a woman

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Speaker 1: You know. So to read a review that said her

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Speaker 1: she wore a design in the New York Times, she

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Speaker 1: wore a designer yamaka. Now everything, every piece of clothing

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Speaker 1: in that movie was authentic. That same year there was

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Speaker 1: the film directed by Ingmar Bergmann Fanny and Alexander. They

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Speaker 1: wore the same yamica, but nobody attacked that film. I

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Speaker 1: love detail, so I would, you know, for years, I

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Speaker 1: would do research about Polish Jews, about these Jews that

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Speaker 1: to scholars studying Talmud, just to bring that because I

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Speaker 1: do believe that when you study like that and do

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Speaker 1: the research, you don't have to act that It's like

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Speaker 1: the camera picks up the truth, even just behind your eyes,

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Speaker 1: in the sound of your voice, whatever it is mine.

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Speaker 1: You know. I had this wonderful shot, I thought, as

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Speaker 1: it cuts from a chicken coop to me sitting behind

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Speaker 1: and that shot was attacked by this woman critic, Janet Maslin.

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Speaker 1: Her name was now she could attack my lip sincer.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I'm a terrible lip sinker. I can't do

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Speaker 1: it because when I did movies like Funny Girl or

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Speaker 1: Hello Dolly, you know, they record the soundtrack three months

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Speaker 1: before you shoot, and I have to be in the

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Speaker 1: moment as an actor. I don't know how I'm going

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Speaker 1: to feel when I actually perform it. So that's why

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Speaker 1: when I did the movie Star Is Born, It's all real,

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Speaker 1: it's all um, I had a relic I did not want.

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Speaker 1: I needed to be free, to be in the moment,

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Speaker 1: so we recorded on the spot. What do you call

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Speaker 1: that live? It is all live? And then what I

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Speaker 1: and then I would just choose it right on the spot, okay,

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Speaker 1: I think, And I would do about one to four takes.

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Speaker 1: not doing the lip sync. Good. I did a documentary

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Speaker 1: film about Can. It's ostensibly about Can and Ryan Gosling.

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Speaker 1: Seduced and Abandoned, and we get Gosling at the Beverly

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Speaker 1: any long story short, as he has this beautiful explication

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Speaker 1: and we had to do a whole show, right, So

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Speaker 1: I don't like pieces. I mean, you I the fun

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Speaker 1: of directing to me is designing the shot, the camera

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Speaker 1: accommodating the actors. So the actors. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: scenes in Gentle that you can see like this. They're

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Speaker 1: all in one move practically. In other words, we come

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Speaker 1: in through a door and I'm in the foreground, let's say,

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Speaker 1: But he who's following me, the my lead actor who

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Speaker 1: was Mandy Pattinken at a time, and he still is

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Speaker 1: but um, you know, we see him standing there, and

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Speaker 1: then he comes forward and I sit down. He becomes

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Speaker 1: he's standing up with the camera never moved, but you

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Speaker 1: see everything. Then the camera moves as we're together, but

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Speaker 1: He slams the door and the camera moves in a

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Speaker 1: little bit. As I'm thinking about it, that's the scene.

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Speaker 1: But it's what's fun about that is that we're all

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Speaker 1: on our toes. You can't make a mistake. And most

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Speaker 1: of these shots that I do that there's no coverage.

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Speaker 1: That the greatest one of the very little coverage the

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Speaker 1: actors played the scene in the frame. That's right now now,

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Speaker 1: in the time that you made films, the many years

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Speaker 1: you've made films, successful acting and not directing, successful as

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Speaker 1: a director and producer, and all those things. Where there

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Speaker 1: you sat there, guy, I'd love to make a film

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Speaker 1: the play. But meanwhile, I was sixteen seventeen, that kind

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Speaker 1: of age. I knew that I would be famous because

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Speaker 1: I would hide my head so they wouldn't see me

429
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Speaker 1: my face showing them to their seats, because I thought,

430
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Speaker 1: you know, when I become famous, they're going to recognize

431
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Speaker 1: me as the girl to showed them to their seats.

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00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: So how do you figure that that? That's something I

433
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: can't explain you. Really, there's a part of you that

434
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: knew you would end up doing what you did. And

435
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't you know. And my mother didn't believe in me.

436
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: She's she kept telling me what your father did. Become

437
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: a teacher. You get you know, you get time off,

438
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: you get vacations, free vacations, summer's yeah, learn to type.

439
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: And that's when I let my nails grow along so

440
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't type. I believe me. I wish I could type.

441
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Now I have to dictate everything into all those things, French, typing,

442
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: cooking with with your mother. Did she eventually come around?

443
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: I mean, how could she not come around with everything

444
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: you've done. I think I was really just trying to

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00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: prove to her that I I could be famous. By

446
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: the way, as soon as I became famous, I didn't

447
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: like it. I don't like fame. I don't like stardom.

448
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: I only like the work, the creative work, that's all

449
00:28:48,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: I like. No shore pep that's streisand singing Lasha kio

450
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: pianga normally more of the domain of the world's great

451
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: opera singers like Renee Fleming, good yeah cool. Fleming told

452
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: me that she tried and struck out on two other

453
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Speaker 1: genres before she landed on opera. Had I grown up

454
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: in New York City, the singer songwriter thing might have opened.

455
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: Doors might have opened. I mean, I sang on television

456
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Speaker 1: in high school winning some talent show playing a song

457
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Speaker 1: that I wrote. Then I tried to pursue jazz then,

458
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: and that didn't work. Despite the fact that Eastman had

459
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: a phenomenal jazz department, I just couldn't get in. She's

460
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: about to mix it up again. Her Broadway debut is

461
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: set for next spring in a revival of Carousel. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to the rest of Rene Fleming story on

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Speaker 1: Here's the Thing Dot Org. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're

464
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Speaker 1: listening to Here's the Thing. With no formal voice training

465
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Speaker 1: and no money to kick start a career, Streisand relied

466
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Speaker 1: on raw talent to build herself up and the wiles

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Speaker 1: of a man who happened to hear her at a

468
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Speaker 1: small Greenwich village club called the Bon Soir. Martyrlickman was

469
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Speaker 1: a music manager and almost as young and hungry as

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Speaker 1: Barbara herself. He used his slim Rolodex and razors sharp

471
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Speaker 1: pr instincts to help build Barbara's image into what it

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Speaker 1: is today. I met Marty at the Bons when he

473
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Speaker 1: came one night. I was nineteen, and he saw me

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Speaker 1: as the first act, the opening act, and said, if

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Speaker 1: you ever need me, kid, I was. I was kept

476
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Speaker 1: over at the bonsa many times, but then I couldn't

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Speaker 1: get a job. Finally I got a job and they

478
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: were paying me something like seventy dollars a week or

479
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars. A hundred dollars a week. But I

480
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: could eat, you know, so if people wanted me to

481
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Speaker 1: sit down, I would order a baked potato, sour cream

482
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: and chives and butter. So but I couldn't make a living.

483
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: I really needed more. So I called Marty and I said,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, is there any way you could get me

485
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty dollars a week. Marty told me

486
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Speaker 1: many years later that he actually paid the fifty dollars

487
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't go for the the raise. That's why

488
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: he's such a great person. He invested in me. Yeah,

489
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: you've been with him now for how long? And it's like, well,

490
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: we separated for a while. For a few years. He

491
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: didn't get along with. The man in my life at

492
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: the time was John Peters. I've read the story before

493
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: or something like that. But then, believe me, we got

494
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: back as soon as I could. So that period is

495
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: over fifty years. But if you take out that, what

496
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: does he do for you now? What does he provide you?

497
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: And what does he provide for you? Now? You trust

498
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: him everything? He reads scripts, you know, and my full

499
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: on manager. Today is his birthday, by the ways, eight

500
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Speaker 1: years old, Happy birthday, Martyr. I was watching these um

501
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, not just old cabot shows where um famous

502
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: actors would come on. Is it a spring roll? Is

503
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: it meat? I think this one is a vegetarian? Or

504
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: are you a vegetarian? I don't I don't need beef.

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00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: Does there eat the light one? Yeah? I think it's chicken?

506
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: Is it Isn't that good? I remember I was sitting

507
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: in your apartment years ago. I was a very hungry

508
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: one work and just Corman was there and you were

509
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: going to do Prince of Tie. I came to meet

510
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Speaker 1: with you. I remember the print sometimes and you're woman

511
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: who took care of your apartment came in and you said,

512
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: you said, yeah, I'll eat a little something. I could

513
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: eat a little something. I could eat a little something.

514
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: And she would to bring us some cruder tay or

515
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: crackers or whatever some spreads. You looked at me and

516
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: you said, oh god, I kind of you know. I'm

517
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: gonna get ready to do a movie and I love

518
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: to eat. And I said to you, I go, if

519
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: we do this movie together, I'm gonna hire us a chef.

520
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: I'll pay for it, and this chef will come down

521
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: and we're gonna eat whatever the fun we wanted. That's

522
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: why I loved you. And you look at you look

523
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: were like, wow, we could be away just forget about,

524
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, driving ourselves crazy with all the let's go

525
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Speaker 1: down and make the movie. You haven't good. If we

526
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: feel like eating, we eat, and we don't feel like eating,

527
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: we don't eat. We have to go. And then you

528
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Speaker 1: cast what's his name in the nick I'm kidding, yes,

529
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: because he had to be a white looking Southerner. You

530
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You're in New York. I love

531
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: that movie, did now watching those old you know cavots,

532
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: and on comes Brando and on comes this one and

533
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: that one from that generation of Bella Fonte when he

534
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: was young and all that civil rights activism. Were you

535
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: active then as well? I was supporting Bella apps for

536
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: Congress in like nineteen seventy nine, seventy I even supported

537
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: Mayo Lindsay, who was a Republican, because I liked him.

538
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: I liked the way he spoke, you know, I thought

539
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: he was a leader. He was a leader, and he

540
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: was fair and he was believed in justice, and I

541
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: just liked him. He was also adorable looking. Um So,

542
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, you know what happened when I

543
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: sang in Houston, by the way, before the storm. I

544
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: invited the Bushes President H. W. Bush, I mean, Umte

545
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: and Barbara Bush to come to my concert. And they

546
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: came and I gave him socks because I heard he

547
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: collect socks. And came backstage and she brought me a

548
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: pin and I gave her something. And they were just

549
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: so lovely. Even now. I wrote them to see if

550
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: they were okay. How's their house? And they said, we're fine,

551
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: we're in Maine and this and that, you know. In

552
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: other words, you know, he had dignity, He had great dignity,

553
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: and she was an advocate for women's rights. I like

554
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: good people. That's why I can't quite understand what's happened

555
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: to this country. And it all it goes back to

556
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: women to women against women. Yesterday I was watching Hillary

557
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: being interviewed by somebody and the first question was so

558
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: rude by the woman, Well, how do you know that

559
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: the Democrats even want you around? When I when she

560
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: was running, there were three women who interviewed her as well,

561
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: and they were so the faces scrunched up, you know,

562
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: on television, going well, so are you trustworthy? Are you

563
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: not trustworthy? I mean, they would like shockingly rude attitudes.

564
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: And I told her chief of staff, you know, I

565
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: think you should be interviewed by men. They're going to

566
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: be nicer to her than the women of white women

567
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: voted for Donald Trump. Now, how do you figure that?

568
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: I saw her on the view this morning, and I

569
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: think I would have said if he was in my

570
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: space like that, I don't think you have to call

571
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: him a creep, but you could say, you know, you're

572
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: going to get your own time, They're gonna they're going

573
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: to ask you a question, and would you like me

574
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: to stand behind you in the shot? I don't think so,

575
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: So if you don't mind, can you do that? If

576
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: she did that to him, I used that phrase and

577
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: appended to a lot of things. If she had done

578
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: that to him, if she had said that about him.

579
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: So you sing at Clinton's inauguration, you're close to Clinton.

580
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: The old Clinton years and the nineties they were and

581
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: they were great. And I have my criticisms of Clinton.

582
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: I have my criticisms of him and his policy. What

583
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: did you criticize about his poeticist peace is a quaint idea?

584
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: Now you never hear these people running for office talk

585
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: about peace and a policy and a strategy to get

586
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: us to peace. We were in a state of perpetual war.

587
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: We spend trillions of dollars and I may trillions with

588
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: a tea that we don't have, that we don't I mean,

589
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: I am, I am. I make it very simple for myself.

590
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: I read. I have a copy. I carry it around

591
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: in a folder of my favorite writings that I have,

592
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: And one of them is Eisenhower's Farewell Addressed and the

593
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: cointing the phase of the Military Industrial Couple complex. Send

594
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: it to me. But he says, you know, every missile

595
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: that is fired, we lose this, and every bomb that

596
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: we dropped we cost us this. And he refers to

597
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: this world in arms, Eisenhower's and Eisenhower the last man

598
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: to be elected president by acclamation, a man who did

599
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: not want the job, and everyone around him said, you

600
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: won World War two, you got to run for this job.

601
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: You gotta do this. And Eisenhower, the hood ornament of

602
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: the American military machine, walks out the door and says,

603
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: watch out for these people. He wanted the military, military

604
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: industrial military industrial complex. And he basically say, they make

605
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: money from war. They have too much power. And we've

606
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: lived and it keeps getting progressively worse and worse and

607
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: worse where And I don't think Clinton was Hillary Clinton

608
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: voted for the war in Iraq. It was the one

609
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: thing that really upset that. That was almost a deal

610
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: breaker from me, almost. But you have to remember this

611
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: because I've discussed this with her and President Clinton. She

612
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: at the time thought that Bush would keep his word.

613
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: Bush and they were supposed to go to the u N.

614
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: They were supposed to have weapons inspectors um make sure

615
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: that there was you know, nothing there that that wasn't done.

616
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: We had weapons inspectors because I used to talk to

617
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Speaker 1: Scott Ritter, who was a weapons inspector there for seven years,

618
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: and he said, there are no weapons left and if

619
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: there were any chemical weapons, they have a shelf life there.

620
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: They don't work, that's what we saw. But they weren't

621
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: even allowed to even complete anything. They certainly never went

622
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: to the U, to the U N. And all of

623
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know there were in the war. Without

624
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: picking someone in a current menu of candidates, what do

625
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: you think we need to run in to beat Trump?

626
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: What kind of person think is going to take? Forget

627
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: about man or woman? Is gonna be a person who

628
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: does water, who says what, who says the truth, truth

629
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: is everything. I mean, that's what kills me. I love

630
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: the truth. I love the power of the truth. You

631
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: have to believe that person, and you have to believe

632
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: they stand for what American values are supposed to mean,

633
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: not like in the new Gingrich way of whatever that

634
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: is American values, but to be for justice, to be

635
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 1: for diversity, to be respectful, to accept change, to accept change.

636
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: That in New York, I'll never forget the Daily News.

637
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, this is a fact. I suppose when

638
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Speaker 1: the when the census came out in or two thousand,

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Speaker 1: you have ten years of the Daily News put on

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Speaker 1: the cover that white New Yorkers were now the plurality

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Speaker 1: that they were under, that the city had now become

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Speaker 1: fifty one literally Black, Asian, Hispanic, and so forth, that

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Speaker 1: white New Yorkers and all five boroughs represented less than

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Speaker 1: and I thought, well, that may be true, but what

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Speaker 1: are you promoting when you write that? And that's going

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Speaker 1: to happen in this country? White privilege as we understand it,

647
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Speaker 1: and white people. I'm not saying we're gonna become Rhodesia,

648
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Speaker 1: but it's I think that people who accept change, what

649
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Speaker 1: choice do you have but to accept change, that this

650
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Speaker 1: world we live in is gonna become more and more

651
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Speaker 1: diverse in terms of people's sexual identity and women in

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Speaker 1: power and things like that. And I find that the Democrats,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very critical of them as well. The

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Speaker 1: Democrats will say almost anything to get elected. I don't

655
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Speaker 1: think so well. I think the Republicans will say anything together,

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Speaker 1: Like there's a difference for Democrats almost anything, and the

657
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: Republicans will say the Democrats are too nice. That's what

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Speaker 1: I've signed, Yeah, they don't. I always wanted to run

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Speaker 1: because I'm not very nice, and I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: the you'd probably be a hit. I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: the more two fistic Democrats. That's what that's what it

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Speaker 1: should be. You have to say it like it israt

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Speaker 1: You have to be tough. That's actually what I said

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Speaker 1: when I first met Obama. I said, we did a

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Speaker 1: fundraiser for him and it raised eleven million dollars that night,

666
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Speaker 1: and um, I sat with him for and I said,

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00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: are you tough enough? That was my first question to him.

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Speaker 1: Of course I'm tough, you know, But I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is a terrible thing to say. But okay, and I

670
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: know it can't be done. But when Russia was suspected

671
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Speaker 1: of invading our democracy, I thought to myself, why aren't

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Speaker 1: they postponing the election? How do you have an election

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Speaker 1: now when Russia is hacking us? Do it over? Don't

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00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: we do it over? That's what I thought. And whenever

675
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: I've said it to anybody, they go, you can't do that.

676
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: Why not? It is weird and the result of the

677
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Speaker 1: election it is entirely false. But let it stand, because

678
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Speaker 1: to change the country couldn't happen. No, I mean, look

679
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Speaker 1: at the difference. I'm going to write an article actually

680
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: about this next week about the difference in America. Yeah,

681
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Speaker 1: the difference in America. What it would be like if

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Speaker 1: hill we were president, Do you realize that women and

683
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: girls could hold their head up high? She and Angela

684
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: Merkel would be running the free world to see the Woman.

685
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: You know, Wonder Woman movie. It was fantastic because women

686
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: were in charge. Women are nurturing, and women can be

687
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: tough and make decisions that are based on compassion and wisdom.

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Speaker 1: You know, even in the Jewish religion, women the Orthodox

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Speaker 1: Jewish religion, which I am not, but men have to

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00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: say certain prayers every day, but women have to say

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Speaker 1: less prayers because they are closer to God, because they

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Speaker 1: are creative. They they birth babies, they feed those babies,

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Speaker 1: they nurtured them. After it does my wife reminds me

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Speaker 1: of that every day. Actually, well that's good, different remember now,

695
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: but it is true. But I think what we're missing

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00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: with Trump is compassion, kindness, respect. What I like that

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00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: you said is that we're missing honestly and honesty is everything.

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Speaker 1: Could we just be honest, We'll get through everything. We

699
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: can't understand the news It was like he was a farce.

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Speaker 1: He was a disrespectful woman. But don't you see stress,

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Speaker 1: Stress is causing me to eat you know more than

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Speaker 1: I I'm on the side get hot I'm something grilled cheese. Yeah, um,

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00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: it's and it's you know, I found out that when

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Speaker 1: you're stressed, you cortisol levels raising, and cortisol makes you

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Speaker 1: gain weight. Yes, so I was. I was away with

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Speaker 1: some friends for a week. I didn't read a book.

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00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: I played games, which I played to fall asleep at

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Speaker 1: night because after looking at TV and reading the news,

709
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Speaker 1: I I can't all asleep, so I have to play backgammon.

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00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gin so. I mean, it was such

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing for you, who's an eater too. Every

712
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Speaker 1: day we had bread and butter, you know, every day

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Speaker 1: we ate pasta in Italy. Every day we had desserts

714
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Speaker 1: with sugar. We gained nothing maybe two hours. We just

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Speaker 1: let it go, not having to wallow with her. I'll

716
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: never forget Kathleen Turner. She said this on this show.

717
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Speaker 1: She was one of my first guests. And I said

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Speaker 1: to you, you were married your husband Jay, you got

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Speaker 1: divorces and you never got married again. I said, do

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Speaker 1: you do do you miss that? Do you want to

721
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Speaker 1: be with somebody? And she said, alec, I put the

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Speaker 1: key in the door of my apartment, and the thing

723
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Speaker 1: that makes me most happy as I know that there's

724
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Speaker 1: nobody on the other side of that door I walk in,

725
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: I can do whatever I want to do. I don't

726
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: have to ask anybody's permission. And she really was happy

727
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Speaker 1: to be single, and you you don't like to be single,

728
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: but I was for a long time. But no, I

729
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: like looking forward to my husband coming home and you know,

730
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Speaker 1: waiting for him to so we could eat together. Yeah. Absolutely,

731
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Speaker 1: and he enjoys food too. I mean, we just take

732
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Speaker 1: trips up to Santa Barbara just to get an ice

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Speaker 1: cream cone from McConnell's, my favorite flavor of Brazilian coffee,

734
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Speaker 1: which they don't sell in points in the market. You

735
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: have to go there or like now, I can't have

736
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Speaker 1: it in my freezer because I'll eat the whole pint.

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00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: I just start with a little and a cone just

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Speaker 1: you know, well it's melting around the edges and I'll

739
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Speaker 1: just eat that part and just no, it's gone to me.

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Speaker 1: There's that familiar sound. I'll be watching the news and

741
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: it's like ten o'clock and night I'd be eating a

742
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: late night pint of ice cream, and then all of

743
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, I hear that unmistakable sound of the spoon

744
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: scraping the bottom of the I go, oh my god,

745
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: how did that happen? But how come your thin? How

746
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: did you lose weight? I started sugar. Sugar was my nemesis.

747
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm pre diabetic and my numbers were tragic. And they

748
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: said to me, you're gonna start shooting over and they

749
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: said you're gonna start having to shoot insulin if you

750
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: don't get with us. So I still, uh, do bad

751
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: things of you now and nowhere near. I mean, I

752
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: was somebody that ate. I was. I was truly. I

753
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: can say this without without hesitation. I was an ice

754
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: cream addict, Greaters having Greater's ice cream. You have to

755
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: look one day, when you're cheating, you have to try McConnell's.

756
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Do you like coffee, Okay, that's the greatest coffee. They

757
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: were so sweet mcconnald's. Because when I did my last

758
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: movie with Seth Rogan, I had to eat ice cream.

759
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: So I said, I have to have the ice cream

760
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: from Santa Barbara. But I had them try something that

761
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: Will Writes used to do that went out of business.

762
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: They had chocolate covered chocolate that sounded so Brooklyn. Chocolate

763
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: covered chocolate covered almonds in the coffee ice cream, so

764
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: I asked them to make that flavor. But now people

765
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: develop nut allergies, so they hardly put nuts. You have

766
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: nut allergies, What do we care about people without allergies?

767
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: And we don't have No, we do care about them.

768
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: But now I just read they discovered a drug that

769
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: will take away nut allergies. Do you ever read the

770
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: magazine called The Week? I love The Week, and I

771
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: read an article in there that talked about as a

772
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: drug now to take away not allergies. My last question,

773
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: you're fagging into trouble because I want to take you

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00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: to dinner and have the McConnell's wait if you want

775
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: to come back now, I will. And that is when

776
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: you sing, you know, people will hear your voice and

777
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: they melts them. It really gets to them. You know,

778
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: you're the greatest female vocalist of all time. Oh you're

779
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: so sweet. I don't know other women who I love.

780
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: I'm not dismissing them, but you're the greatest female vocalist ever.

781
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: What a compliment. And when you go into the studio,

782
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: when you go to record, I'm assuming there's a passion,

783
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: there's a connection as a soul. I love recording because

784
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: it's private and there it's just me and the music.

785
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: You know, I could look like crap. I don't have

786
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: to dress up. I don't have to put makeup on.

787
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just the sound and the musicians,

788
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: the the the instruments and what I can hear and

789
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I could hear a string line here

790
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: with a sound. And I don't read music, but I'll

791
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: have to go. You know, it's that that note. What

792
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: is it? I don't know, but it's that chord, that chord,

793
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's just that's fun for me.

794
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: Does that singing make you happy that you can do that? Um? Yeah,

795
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: it does. I can hear things that I thought, oh shoot,

796
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: I should have done that over it's not the right take.

797
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: I mean whatever, but no. I I liked when when

798
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: we put out a new album and serious radio plays

799
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: my songs twenty four hours a day, and I happened

800
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: to have the radio on. I think that was good,

801
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: very sweet. Imagine. I want to say, I love you.

802
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: I love you too. You're the greatest, You're the greatest.

803
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: More live more. The more I learned, the more I

804
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: really like it, The less I know each step I

805
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Speaker 1: take pop, I have a voice, page, I turned, I tice,

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Speaker 1: I travel, leave the more to give, you can fle

807
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: So why settle fun? Just stoppa s. I can't hear you, Papa,

808
00:51:27,160 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: I can see you, Pa. I can't feed you. This

809
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: h