1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori, and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: out employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: You are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. You are 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: my Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m turnabal 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: podcast network. 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Remember each week you 16 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: can come here and listen to some of the most 17 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: amazing stories shared with me from around the globe of 18 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: people just like yourself who have seen or experienced or 19 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: heard a story of something that just blows your mind. 20 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: It's something that a lot of people just don't always 21 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: get comfortable with discussing, and I want you to know 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: that this is the place to come and get comfortable 23 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,639 Speaker 1: about discussing and getting used to finding the answers, finding 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: a new path, anything that helps us to just take 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: a breath and start treating the paranormal as we do 26 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: any other topic, as humanly flawed as possible and with 27 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: a sense of humor or whatever it is. Nobody has 28 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: all the answers. All we can do is place our 29 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: piece to the puzzle and hope that we can pull 30 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: together a better image of what we're dealing with. So 31 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: go to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: com and submit your stories. Put as much detail as 33 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: you can in there, because the more that we get 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: to read, the better that we can understand what's going on. 35 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: And yes, I'll read it here on the show. But 36 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: if you want to be a guest in this program, 37 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: I invite you to let me know that right in 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: your email, and don't be surprised I might reach out 39 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: to you and say, hey, are you ready to roll? 40 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: Because it makes it more real when people like your 41 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: eye just lay it on the line and say, look, 42 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: this is what's going on on today's program. I have 43 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: a fabulous guest that is going to literally blow your mind. 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: I have Carolyn Clapper, who is considered as the quote 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: next World medium with one ft in this world and 46 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: one foot in the next. So please visit the Next 47 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: World medium dot com and stick around for our next 48 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: segment because it's going to be fabulous. But first, I 49 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: want to get to one of your emails that was 50 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: sent to me, and this one is amazing. It says 51 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: dear Heidi. While incarcerated in Licking County Jail in Newark, Ohio, 52 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: I had an encounter with what I believe to be 53 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: multiple shadow people and even hat man. I would up 54 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: to use the restroom around three am, and as I 55 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: sat down on the edge of my bed, I looked 56 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: up at my cell door to see four to five 57 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: shadow like beings with eye similar to red hot iron 58 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: standing at the door to the cell next to mine. 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: I stayed still as I watched closely for my own safety, 60 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: as I've seen similar things before as a kid. When 61 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: they noticed I was watching, four of these beings started 62 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: to vanish, but the last one looked into my cell 63 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: door window and it looked to be wearing a hat. 64 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: It stared at me for about fifteen seconds before the 65 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: guards ran in to do a cell check. That's when 66 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: the entire cell blocks camera system went down for the 67 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: entire duration of this encounter. The guy in the cell 68 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: next to me passed away from a heart attack when 69 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: these things showed up. According to the staff, one guard 70 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: claimed that he thought he saw a man in a 71 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: black suit and hat just outside of the two doors 72 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: of mine and my neighbor's cells. The hat man gave 73 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: me the feeling that I was on his radar, and 74 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I still see him in the distance at night, as 75 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: well as a lot of shadow people. This happens regularly, 76 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: though no malevolent interactions with me have occurred since that 77 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: night in jail. On one occasion, a shadow person seemed 78 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: to save my life by scaring me enough to change 79 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: my route. While walking home from work in a shadow 80 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: person literally appeared and approached me in a menacing manner, 81 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: spooking me enough to turn onto a side road. This 82 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: happened right as a speeding car hit the phone pole 83 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: where I would have been if I had not turned. 84 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: My question is is it normal to have a shadow 85 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: person be benevolent towards a person. I've also found that 86 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: if you lay salt line along the walls and windows, 87 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: shadow people won't pass over the salt lines for some reason. 88 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: Have you heard of this before. I'm not religious in 89 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: the traditional way, but I'm spiritually active and maybe a 90 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: medium of sorts for these beings. Thank you so much, William. Well, William, 91 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: this is a fascinating email because a lot of people 92 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: do tend to see shadow people and hat Man just 93 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: before somebody is about to pass. It doesn't quite strike 94 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: me as being an angel of mercy or anything positive. 95 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: And I don't get the feeling that you got goose 96 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: bumps of good feelings going on at the time either. Um. 97 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: So it's fascinating to me that you caught them the 98 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: way that you did at a jail cell. And believe 99 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: it or not, I've had several people tell me such 100 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: stories in prison or jail holdings and things of that nature. 101 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: And if there's any place that holds a lot of 102 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: negative feelings and horrible things and pretty bad people, it 103 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: could be a place like that. So I'm not surprised 104 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: that you would see something like that. Now. What is 105 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: interesting to me now, a lot of people will ask me, Heidi, 106 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: is there more than one hat Man? But there always 107 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: seems to be and most of the encounters I should 108 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: say that I get is the what hat Man. There 109 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: could be a ton of shadow people, but there will 110 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: be that one, and and shadow people can be very skittish. 111 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: They'll like disappear, runaway, or charge at you if you 112 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: spot them. They don't like to be spotted. They don't 113 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: like to be seen for what it is that they do. 114 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: So this is the way that they react. But did 115 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: you notice the behavior of hat Man? What did he 116 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: do exactly? He looked over at you, and he came 117 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: and got a really good look at who could see 118 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: him and his minions. So I'm not surprised that you 119 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: got that sensation that you're on his list. Now, you're 120 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: on his radar, because when people like yourself show that 121 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: they can see them, it shows that you've got this 122 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: extra gift of site through the veil that a lot 123 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: of people don't always have. You could have been in 124 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: that cell with ten other people and it might have 125 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: just been you who saw it, but you mentioned that 126 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: there was a guard who saw him too. They don't 127 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: want that on video. No, no, no, because if you 128 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: could see your enemy, you could do something about the enemy. 129 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: It brings this whole other world of this, this this 130 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: spiritual battle that's going on. If we have evidence like 131 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: that right in our face, a lot of people would 132 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: get a lot more spiritually inclined. And Oh, that word 133 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: called religious, you know, I understand that. I say that, 134 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: Oh I don't go to church, so that means I'm 135 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: not religious, but I'm Christian, so that is a religion. 136 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm following a religion. You saw something that I have 137 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: a feeling you might equate to being the devil himself. Right, 138 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: that's biblical. That's a religious designation, that's a religious title, 139 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: the devil. Where does that come from? Something evil? So 140 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: if we can accept that something evil was there that 141 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: took a form, is it so far fetched to say 142 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: that there's a form that is positive. I say Jesus 143 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: or God. Others might say other things. So let's give 144 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: ourselves permission to be okay with that. And I don't 145 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: know why, but in these emails that I get, a 146 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of people feel they have to tell me I'm 147 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: not religious, but it happens so often. I'm not religious, 148 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: but I saw the devil. Why do we feel like 149 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: we can't give ourselves permission to believe that something positive 150 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: might oppose such a thing, or I looking for Hey, 151 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: tell me how I can oppose such a thing that 152 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: was so evil. If that's the case, please visit my 153 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: website called the Other F word dot com. It stands 154 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: for faith because I try to find different ways that 155 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: it could help us all get more comfortable with that perspective, 156 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: because I can't always fit it into the show here, 157 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: but I hope that it's helpful to you, or you know, 158 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: join a group, join a church, join people that speak 159 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: more spiritually inclined, because this thing is looking your way 160 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: and it seems to make you quite nervous. But here 161 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: you are saying, Wow, this thing saved my life. It 162 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: didn't sound like Catman. It sounded like a shadowed kind 163 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: of semi formed person, shadow being. You assume it might 164 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: have been a shadow person that saved your life because 165 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: it scared you or did you just so happen to 166 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: spot it and it didn't like that because shadow people 167 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: do charge people when they're spotted like that. But I'll 168 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: so there are spirits that will look kind of shadowed now, 169 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: especially if it had a lot of detail to it 170 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: like it really looked like a person. It could have 171 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: been a spirit that was like, hey, you know, hey, 172 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: I'll watch out, there's something coming. So I wouldn't give 173 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: the credit to them. But then also there's this third option, 174 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: and I've had people write me about such things like 175 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: I think they saved me and their atheists and their 176 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: anti this or anti that, and if they're getting a 177 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: good feeding off from you negativity, they want to keep 178 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: you around. So it could have been that as well. 179 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: And I don't like to say that so much, but um, 180 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: that is a reality that could be part of what's 181 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: going on here. So I hope not. I hope it 182 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: was somebody from a past of yours that passed over 183 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: and they just weren't in a clear focus, and they 184 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: looked kind of shadowed, like a shadow being and they 185 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: were just trying to are you. But um yeah, so 186 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: I have heard also about the salt for protecting and yeah, 187 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: that's uh something that a lot of different beliefs use 188 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: to protect themselves. But I use prayer, and I use 189 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: what could be holy water or spring water that I 190 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: put out in the light and I go around and 191 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: I bless my home with So I hope This was 192 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: helpful for you, William, and I want to thank you 193 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: so much for riding in. And again I welcome everybody 194 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: go to Heidi Hollis dot com and tell me about 195 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you've experienced out of the ordinary, 196 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: from angels to aliens. I cover it all, I write 197 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: about it all in my books. And uh, I hope 198 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: they stick around because this next segment is with Carolyn Clapper, 199 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: just going to share about her paranormal experiences and her 200 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: extraordinary gift. You're listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, 201 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 202 00:12:52,720 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: Coast and Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll be right there. Don't 203 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: go anywhere. There's more Heidi Hollis coming right up. 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You are listening to Dark Becomes 237 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 238 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And as promised, 239 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: I have a fabulous guest today and that is Carolyn Clapper. 240 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Growing up, Carolyn Clapper saw spirits and had various psychic experiences. 241 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: Then in her life changed following a near death experience 242 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: after contracting meningitis. That's when her abilities exploded, with a 243 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: boundless ability to communicate fully between two worlds. On eleven, 244 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: eleven eleven, Caroline was really least from her deathbed from 245 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: the next world, though her connection remains. She is the 246 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: next world medium with one foot in this world and 247 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: one ft in the next at all times. So everybody 248 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: please welcome my good friend Carolyn Clapper. Hey, Caroline, how 249 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: are you doing. I am so excited to have you 250 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: be part of my show today. Thank you so much 251 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: for having me and I'm doing really good. How are you? 252 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I have been trying to have you 253 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: come on this program and I am so excited. I'm like, 254 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: you have got to be my guest, and uh, let 255 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: me tell you this is um, this is a pleasure. 256 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: So I want people to get to know you because 257 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: what you do and I told you so many times, 258 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: it's just not typical. Now you you are truly not 259 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: in this realm at all times. But it started somewhere 260 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: you You're sensitive. As a kid, you did have some experiences, 261 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: But tell us what happened to you that had it 262 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: grow into what it is today. Well, so I was 263 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: thank you, by the way, I really appreciate that introduction. 264 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: It was nice. You know, I have always been really sensitive. 265 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: But let me start from the beginning. Basically, I was 266 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: born in an old farmhouse in a small town which 267 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: you live near because you were in Milwaukee, so I 268 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: was right next to you and Racine, which is really small, 269 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: And I was born in a house that money would 270 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: consider as haunted. I had many experiences growing up in 271 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: that home where I saw spirits and had paranormal experiences, 272 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: which I'm sure you can relate to as well, because 273 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: we've talked so much about but we won't get into 274 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: all of that right now. I could just talk to 275 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: you for hours. But um, I wasn't alone in seeing 276 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: spirits at this house. Everyone basically everybody who came into 277 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: my house as a kid had, you know, for any 278 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: length of time. Any family members or friends, like close 279 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: close friends, had some type of paranormal experience there. So 280 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't crazy when I was little, which 281 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: was reassuring, you know. Um. The thing that made me different, though, 282 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: was that I saw who was behind the activity, whereas 283 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: other people just saw the assault or experience the activity. 284 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: I saw, you know, who was behind the activity. I 285 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: saw the ghosts, um. And I referred to them as 286 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: ghosts as a child, because that's you know, that's what 287 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: we're taught to call them, right. So we're taught to 288 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: call anything you know, that's manifesting in a physical way, 289 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: ums like a human entity, a ghost, right. And I 290 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: don't use that term anymore, by the way, but I'm 291 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: using it in reference to my childhood, so I do 292 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: use it in reference to them. There's reasons for that 293 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: that I'll get into later. But it was very scary 294 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: to me at that time because I couldn't communicate with 295 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: them and there was no one there to validate who 296 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: I was seeing until years later when I moved back 297 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: into that home into my early twenties. I rented that house. 298 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: My mom owned it, so I went back there into 299 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: my twenties and I rented that house from her for 300 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: a few years. When I had my son, I was 301 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: like the beginning of my marriage and we were just 302 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, getting started. So we kind of had the 303 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: cheap rent thing going on there. And I moved back 304 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: there and the activity started again. You know. Once I 305 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: moved back into that house, it was solely located. All 306 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: of my experiences were kind of like in this one 307 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: old farmhouse. Okay, so it was kind of condensed into 308 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: that area. Um, but this time it was different. Like 309 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: when I moved back there in my twenties, I didn't 310 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: see the ghosts anymore. I didn't see them, and they 311 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: were trying super hard to communicate with me again by 312 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: means of lights going on and off and sounds and 313 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: steps and I mean, you name it. There was just 314 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: so much activity that was undeniable. UM, toys with no 315 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: batteries and them going off at all hours ago, like 316 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: I've experience that girl, and that is like, that's some 317 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: freaky stuff, like when you especially because as an adult 318 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: I had I think I kind of closed off to 319 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: seeing them. So as a child I was super open. 320 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: I think that's common for children to be open and 321 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: to see ghosts, and then later for that to kind 322 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: of like it's like that portal kind of closes or 323 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: shuts down a little bit. I became too, like preoccupied 324 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: in my own life and um just wasn't as open, 325 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: you know. I was just like in a different time 326 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: in my life. I was just closing off to it 327 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: in a way. So it was kind of like seeing 328 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: it the same way that everybody else has seen it. 329 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: When I was small, I was experiencing everything, but not 330 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: seeing who was behind it anymore. And you know, at 331 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: that same time, I became an emergency contact for an 332 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: older woman a few doors down from my house. Her 333 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: name was Mrs Dana who she had been there my 334 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: entire life growing up. She was like the sweetest little lady. 335 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: She was just a couple doors down. She always was 336 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: handing us fistfuls of raspberys through her metal fence in 337 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: the alley. She was just she had this beautiful garden 338 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: and she was always you know, anytime we walked by, 339 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: she'd give us like handfuls of raspberries. And that's what 340 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: I remember about her. So she was like a grandma 341 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: that I didn't have, right, Like, we didn't have a 342 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: grandma or a grandparent living in the area that we 343 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: lived in, so she was like a treat for us. 344 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: I just loved her, and she was she was quite 345 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: old when I moved back in. I don't know her 346 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: exact age, but she had to have been like in 347 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: her eaties, and you know, when she lived alone, so 348 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: I would check on her frequently. Um. She was a 349 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: jazz pianist and a portrait artist, and music and art 350 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: were two things that we had in common, so we 351 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: would frequently get together. And this is important. So she 352 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: was really a hoot and cool to be around. And 353 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: one day we got into talking about how haunted the 354 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: house was and how haunted the neighborhood was, and when 355 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: I shared my stories with with her from childhood, she 356 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: knew who the ghosts were that I described, like, I 357 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: told her all about them, what they looked like, and 358 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: she said, well, hey, Caroline, this is you know the 359 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: person who built your house. This is his daughters, everything 360 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: that you're describing about them to the tea, you know, 361 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: and she starts validating for me. I finally had confirmation 362 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: after all these years that I knew that these ghosts 363 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: were real. I always knew that, but I finally had 364 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: that confirmation. I think the confirmation was very validating for 365 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: me moving forward. I moved a couple of years later 366 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: into a newer house about an hour west of that home, 367 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: and everything went quiet again. Okay, so I kind of 368 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: missed having an active home um, but everything kind of 369 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: went quiet for about I don't know, six years or so. 370 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: I didn't really have much of any activity. And it 371 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: wasn't until my MD in two thousand and eleven that 372 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: that changed everything. Tell us what happened, right, So what 373 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: happened was that I had always suffered from migraine headaches, 374 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: but this time was different. I couldn't think straight. I 375 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: had taken my Emma trix. I didn't, you know, it 376 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: didn't even touch the pain that I was that I 377 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: was feeling. And my temperature skyrocketed up to over a 378 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: hundred and three degrees and like everybody these days, I 379 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: don't know why I did it, but I posted a 380 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: photograph of the thermometer and then like my temperature on Facebook. 381 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: I think now that it was a cry for help, um, 382 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: but I wasn't in my right mind. I didn't even 383 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: think about calling nine one one, which would be a 384 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: normal response to a situation that I was in. I 385 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: was alone in my house with my then seven year 386 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: old child. Both my parents had recently passed, along with 387 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: two very close friends, and I was in the middle 388 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: of a nasty divorce. And I was really I truly 389 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: felt completely alone and isolated, like I was in a 390 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: treehouse and nobody was there. Didn't even think of calling 391 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: nine one. I felt vulnerable and afraid, and the pain 392 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: was unbearable. I kept passing out and then coming to again. 393 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: And I remember hearing the pattern of my child's feet 394 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: as he ran around the house checking in on me, 395 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: taking my temperature with his sucker, you know, bringing me gifts. 396 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: They turned into night, and then in today again. I 397 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: don't know how long I was laying there, for it 398 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: was a very surreal experience. I couldn't speak, I could 399 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: barely move, and then I received a text from an 400 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: old friend out of nowhere. I'm laying in my bed 401 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: and she had seen my Facebook post and texted me 402 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: to see if I was okay right, And it must 403 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: have been one in the morning, it was very late, 404 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: and I texted back one word. I couldn't speak, but 405 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: I could text, which was weird. They just texted back help, 406 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: and before I passed out again. And then I woke 407 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: up hours later and she had fallen asleep and texted 408 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: me back, are you I I'm sorry I fell asleep 409 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: and I again texted her back help. The next thing 410 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: I remember, she's at the foot of my bed with 411 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: my son and she's telling me, Caroline, I can't understand 412 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: what you're trying to say. It seems as though the 413 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: words that were coming from my mouth weren't the words 414 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: that I was trying to say to her. It's like 415 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: my brain was thinking that I was saying something, but 416 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: I hear later that it came out like alphabet soup, 417 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: like it was edged like like that. Nobody could understand me. 418 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: So that's weird. It's really weird. It's like my brain 419 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: was functioned right, right. I hear you, well, I mean 420 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: a temperature like that, people become delirious. You're not able 421 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: to focus. So you you were transported to the hospital, 422 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: and well, no, so what happened prior to this? All 423 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: this is prevalent to my story. I began seeing an 424 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: image in my head from when I was eight years old. 425 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: My mom was a single parent, and when my sisters 426 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: and I became sick, she would let us stay home 427 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: when she went to work, but before she would go 428 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: to work, if we had a temp and a sore throat, 429 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: she would do what we referred to as the chin check, 430 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: where she would ask us to touch our chin to 431 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: our neck. And I never understood why she did this, 432 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: and I had honestly forgotten about it until this very moment. 433 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: She was visiting me in spirit and showing me this 434 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: memory over and over again. Finally I hear in my 435 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: right ear, clear as day, Caroline, sit up and touch 436 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: your chin to your neck. I immediately sit up right 437 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: in my bed and I tried, but I couldn't move 438 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: my neck. I just began projectile vomiting, and I skip 439 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: this image in my head. It's like a downloads of 440 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: an ambulance. And I hear my mother say meningitis, and 441 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: I packed out again. I don't remember the ambulance We've 442 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: got twenty seconds left, so tell me what happens. You 443 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: get to the ambulance and you ended up in the hospital. 444 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm assuming I did. I ended up in the e 445 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: er for eight hours and figure out what was wrong 446 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: with me. Absolutely amazing when we will pick up the 447 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: story right after the break with Carolyn Clapper. 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You're listening to the I 490 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal podcast network, 491 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: heard on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 492 00:29:47,480 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back. You are 493 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 494 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 495 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. And just before our break, we were speaking 496 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: with our guests. Who is Carolyn Clapper is somebody that 497 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: I personally know and have truly been an admirer of 498 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to psychic abilities and more of an 499 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: evolutionary thing. What she does I honestly don't see as 500 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: being typical or even human, but I do believe this 501 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: is a level that potentially, sometime in the future that 502 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: humankind will have a better understanding and grasp of being 503 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: able to do, which is being more in touch with 504 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: our soul and senses no matter where we are, what 505 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: we're doing. And she was just tearing about her childhood 506 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: having had paranormal experiences and how she became ill with 507 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: men and gitis and was just being rushed to the 508 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: hospital sitting in the e er when her abilities were 509 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: starting to truly bloom into what they are today. So 510 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: I want to give Carolyn Clapper the opportunity to finish 511 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: her story on what happened next. Yes, So, basically, I 512 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: was in the e R for about eight hours. Wasn't 513 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: able to speak, but I was able to get out 514 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: one word, and I said the word meningitis, and the 515 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: nurse came to me and asked me what I had said. 516 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: I repeated it to her and they basically just followed 517 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: through it that they were at a loss of what 518 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: could be going on with me. They couldn't get a 519 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: handle on it. They thought I had mercy, they had 520 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: infectious disease. There I was put in isolation and the 521 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: test came back conclusive to two strains of meningitis, viral 522 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: and bacterial. So I shouldn't be here. Basically, that was 523 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: that was the end of time for me at that point. 524 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: That was the end of my days here. Okay, so 525 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: I shouldn't even be here anymore. Did you know that? 526 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: Of time? I'm curious, did you know you're it was 527 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: that deadly? No. In fact, I didn't even know what 528 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 1: meningitis was. My mom gave me, uh she told me 529 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: that I had it, but I had no idea what 530 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: it was until much later, until I was recovered. So 531 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: when I was in the hospital to kind of sum 532 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: it up, um, I was in and out of both worlds. 533 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: I was laying there, they were giving me intra venous 534 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: um antibatics, of course, and I was on a whole 535 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: schew of medication. So I definitely give credit to the 536 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: Western medicine for helping to save my life. But there 537 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: was something bigger at work here also. I had stepped 538 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: over to the next world. In and out, in and out. 539 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: My heartbeat was down to thirty two beats a minute. 540 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: I was teetering on death's door. Okay. I was like 541 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: one beat away from cardiac rescot passing out, had a 542 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: heart stent in the whole nine yards. And while I 543 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: was in the space and coming in and out of it, 544 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: I was bringing messages through two people, staff members, friends 545 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: who were you know, contacting me. Their loved ones were 546 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: coming through in spirit with messages all confirmed. I thought 547 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: this was normal because I'm I'm like, I'm dying, you know, 548 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: like this is it for me. So I'm already in 549 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: that next place, right, Oh, that's weird to me. And 550 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: I thought people were crying and getting freaked out, and 551 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is nothing new, Like you must get 552 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: this all the time, you working to freaking I see you, 553 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: you work in a hospital, Like this has to be 554 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: normal for you. I can't be weird. This is normal. 555 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I'm standing in front 556 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: of a committee in the next world. Asked to the world, 557 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm looking at my butt through that, you know, from behind. 558 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: I would go from being behind myself to being inside 559 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: of myself again and looking through my eyes. But there 560 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: was this committee of about thirty people, and the center 561 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: speaker was a woman with silver hair, and she was 562 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: talking to the person to the right of her, and 563 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't understand what they were saying. And she looked 564 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: back at me and without opening her mouth, just speaking 565 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: to me telepathically, she gave me an opportunity to say something. 566 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: I asked her, please let me stay from my child 567 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: wild I was already had and she spoke to the 568 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: person next to her again couldn't understand. She said, yes, 569 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: if you do this work for us, and I said, yes, 570 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: very matter of fact, yes I will. I didn't know 571 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: what she was talking about, didn't know what the work was. 572 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: I just agreed it was very boring. Actually, ye, okay, 573 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: I'll do it. And they all came together into one 574 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: big white light and they went through my feet, up 575 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: through my body, and out through my head. And I 576 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: was miraculously healed on eleven, eleven eleven and released from 577 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: my deathbed. That I still continued home treatment for a 578 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: week following that, when the doctor had come in to 579 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: find out if I was doing well enough to be 580 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: uh discharged from the hospital after over a week, the 581 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: neurologists came in and give me the neural excuse me, 582 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: the neurological tests, and was dumbfounded by the fact that 583 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: I could talk to him, that I could have the 584 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: lights on, that I hadn't lost limbs, and that I 585 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: hadn't lost my life or the ability to speak. He 586 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: was just dumbfounded at the fact that I was so well, 587 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: and he asked me, he said, I heard that your 588 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: mother told you that you had meningitis. I'd like to 589 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: thank her. Where is she? And I kind of said, 590 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: go ahead, she's everywhere and nowhere, okay, like she's here, 591 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: and he did, what you're doing, and he shook his 592 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: head and he kind of laughed and shook his head 593 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: at the same time put it down, and he said, 594 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: you know, there's some things in the medical world that 595 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: we cannot explain, and this is one of them. Now 596 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: moving forward. I didn't realize that I was a full 597 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: blown medium until about a week later when it hit 598 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: me like a train. And we can save that for 599 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: another another time. I know that we don't have too 600 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: much time today, but that experience in the hospital opened 601 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: me up in to a capacity that I had never 602 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: been to before. I couldn't just you know, it wasn't 603 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: that I was just seeing spirits. It was that I 604 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: could see them. Then I could communicate with them, not 605 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: just listening to them, but then also asking questions, and 606 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: it was a communication. It was a telepathic communication. Amazing. 607 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: It's amazing what you do because it's like I've met psychics. Okay, 608 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: I've met people who say that they can do this 609 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: and do that, and some of them, you know, wow, 610 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: they are talented, and then you pop along and you know, 611 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to just share real briefly how it is 612 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: that I got to know you. Your picture came through 613 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: the news feed on Facebook and I immediately was drawn, 614 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I know her. I know her. I'm like, 615 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: why do I know her? I don't send friend requests 616 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: out because I have almost almost at my limit on it. 617 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: So I'm like, send you a friend request and when 618 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: you responded, I see her from my hometown in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 619 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, I must know her. Hold on, I'm like, 620 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm the Queen of weird from Milwaukee. We must have met. No, 621 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: we have not met, Like what is this? Where do 622 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: I know you? Like, oh, you should know me? And 623 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: you're like doing your little psychic medium thing. Oh I 624 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: know where you know me from? Like, oh gosh, but 625 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: it was it was wild to me that I felt 626 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: that connection. You felt it. Of course you feel everything, 627 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: and it's like we've not lost touch, and um, it's 628 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: to me that's been just so moving. But the cool 629 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 1: thing about you, and I find this hilarious, is that 630 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: you're a skeptic of psychics. I mean how does that work? Well, 631 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: so first I'll just touch on our meeting. I think 632 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: what was interesting and what kind of engaged you is it? 633 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: Right away I started getting psychic stuff just through texting 634 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: with you over over Facebook text or something like that. 635 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: The messenger and I got things about your health that 636 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: were spot on and it blew your mind. Because I 637 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: am a medical medium, and that is a totally different 638 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: It's another subject. I'm called, or I've been called the trifecta. 639 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: I excel in three different areas of mediumship. I work on. 640 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: I am an evidential medium. I work on cold case 641 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: homicide and missing persons, and I also do medical readings 642 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: that are all you know, all the information is later 643 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: confirmed by medical doctors, and I've been extremely successful with 644 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: that with very very very high accuracy, which is very rare. 645 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: So that's why, you know, the medical thing is interesting 646 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: now speaking to um, you know, being a skeptic of psychics, 647 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm a skeptic of psychics. 648 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: It's more so that I'm a natural skeptic about everything. 649 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: So before I had my MDI in two thousand eleven 650 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: and came back with the ability to communicate with spirit. 651 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: I was naturally skeptical of the field in general, like 652 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: many people are. Like I would see people on TV 653 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: and I'd be like, Oh, they're totally wearing like a 654 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: microphone and getting information. I was like, there's like, how 655 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: do all these people believe this? You know? And I 656 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: thought it was just so I was like, I was intrigued, 657 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: but I was like, there's no way people really believe this, right, 658 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: So it's a skeptic um. I have more of a 659 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: philosophical mind, and some who has to see it or 660 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: experience to believe it most of the time, which is 661 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 1: why I demand so much tangible evidence when I read 662 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: for others, because I assume that they're also skeptical of me, 663 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, as they should be. And that being said, 664 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: like one can be a skeptic and still have faith, 665 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: which is totally me in a nutshell, I wrote a 666 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of faith. And you know, it's something I 667 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: didn't plan to really speak on here, but it's not 668 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: something that's like a secret. Because it was on Coast 669 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: to Coast where I was on with Maureen Seeberg and 670 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: she mentioned something that you casually sent over messenger, uh 671 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: that that I had holes in in my wrists. Um, 672 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: And there was no way, there was absolutely no way 673 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: that you would know that, um. And it just blew 674 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: my mind and I just froze and like, did she 675 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: really just do that? Did she really just send me 676 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: over a messenger about the holes in my wrists? Right? 677 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: There was a few things that came through for you, 678 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: and I won't get into details because it's your medical 679 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm a volt as you know, I'm a 680 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: firm believer that, um, that people's privacy is important. I 681 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,479 Speaker 1: have what I call spiritual hippo law, So unless somebody 682 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: gives me permission or writes a testimonial, I don't speak 683 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: of their medical So I have you here now, yes, 684 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: and um, can I speak really well about the risk stuff? 685 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: That's about it? See, And that's why I asked, That's 686 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: why that's that did come through with a whole bunch 687 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: of other stuff and it was all confirmed, right, And 688 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: it piqued my interest about you as well. I did 689 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: get that they were Holly and Holly a plan on words, 690 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: so it was interesting. It sparked my my intrigue with 691 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 1: you as well. I think it was a mutual kind 692 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: of magnetic pole. You know what I mean, like a 693 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: spiritual poll between us, and yeah, it was definitely undeniable, 694 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: and we've become fast friends, which I'm super grateful for 695 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: as well. Are you kidding me? It's like you're my 696 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: long lost sister, Like where have you been? Right? It's 697 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: fun when you just meet people and it's like, wait, 698 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: I know you, you you knowing you before. It doesn't happen 699 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: much in life, but it's like immediately started talking to 700 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: you like your family, And this is so weird. It's 701 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 1: so it's a beautiful weird. It's so not weird. It's 702 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: so the way things are meant to be. That's the 703 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: way the world is meant to be. I think we're 704 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: always going against nature, to be honest with you, and 705 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: I think that when you meet people and you flow 706 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: with them with that, you're just being You're doing your 707 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: natural course. You're you're taking the right path, You're going 708 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: down the right road, you know, when things fall into 709 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: place like that. Right, So very true, And you know, 710 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: I hope you don't mind if at least we go 711 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: maybe half another segment here, because there's something I'd like 712 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: to share with the audience about you being connected to 713 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: this show. Going forward. 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Don't let concerns 752 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: get in the way. Talk to a doctor or other 753 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: medical professional to learn more about the best cancer testing 754 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: options for you and now I'm more. Heidi Hollis on 755 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M 756 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark 757 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 758 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And 759 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: as my guest today, I have my fabulous friend Carolyn Clapper, 760 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: who is considered the next world medium. I mean, it's 761 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,959 Speaker 1: it's amazing to you. It's like, I just I don't 762 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: even know how to express this um this kinship. And 763 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: we're talking a little bit about that before the break 764 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: and this this this thing that you are and and 765 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: it's like, once I got this feel for who you were, 766 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my goodness, I think she is the 767 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: future of mankind, like whatever whatever this is. It's like 768 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: and I had this, this this dream about you, and 769 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, hold it. She is. It's something. It's an 770 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: ability of who she is. It's not like, uh, you know, 771 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: people will call upon always to to have I don't know, 772 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,240 Speaker 1: little things done for them to be able to solve 773 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 1: what's going on. But it's part of you extending yourself. 774 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: And you get really tired when you do it as well. 775 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean, so, how how do you explain this gift? 776 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: It's like an extension of your soul? Almost. Yeah, it's hard. 777 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: That would be such a long winded answer, and I 778 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: don't want to torture you. Um or you're listeners to 779 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 1: that one. I don't know how to shorten the version 780 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: of that answer, Like you're basically asking me, like, explain 781 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: who you are? And it's like mediumship isn't who I am. 782 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: But it's weird. I had a conversation with my stepdad 783 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: once and I was like, look, I know that you 784 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: guys don't necessarily agree with what I do because up 785 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: just on a side note, a lot of people aren't 786 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: that supportive of what I do, you know, and then 787 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: there's a ton of support. It's like one or the other, 788 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: you get one or the other, right, black and my anyway, 789 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, I I never want to make people feel 790 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with this. I don't ever push it upon anybody. 791 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: But his response was kind of like, you know, I 792 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: it's it's not who I am, Like I'm still me, 793 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: Like Dad, I'm still me, you know what I mean? Um? 794 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,280 Speaker 1: And he's like but no, he's like, you are a medium, 795 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: like that is who you are. And I thought about it, 796 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know what, there's a lot of 797 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: truth to that, because it's not like, you know, spirituality 798 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: and and and your beliefs are part of who you are. 799 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: It's a huge part of who you are, right And 800 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,959 Speaker 1: it's like I work in the field of spirituality. I'm 801 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 1: there every day. I'm in the next world every single 802 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: day all the time. I go to the grocery store, 803 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: I see a cash here and I'm like, you know, 804 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: their dad will tap on my shoulder and spirit and 805 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, stop breathing on my neck. Man like 806 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,800 Speaker 1: personal space six feet stay one to beatle apart, COVID, 807 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: come on, come on, back up, you know. And nobody 808 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: listens to me, and they just push in until I 809 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,359 Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna pass out. And then I have 810 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: to just kind of like barf it out. And that's 811 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: I know it sounds terrible, but it's like I just 812 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: I have to get off my chest so that I 813 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 1: can feel better. So I'll ask just random strangers, you know, 814 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: if if somebody's coming through to you from the next world, 815 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm different than everybody else. If 816 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: somebody is trying to speak to you, would you like 817 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: to hear their message? And of course every time, with 818 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 1: the exception of once, over the last ten years, everybody 819 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,240 Speaker 1: said yes, I have to then express something to people. 820 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,359 Speaker 1: You are like pushing the stuff away from me because 821 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: it just keeps coming at you. You have no idea. 822 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: It is overwhelming and having after getting to know you, 823 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,240 Speaker 1: it's like it's not like you're you know, seeking seeking, seeking. 824 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 1: You see a flash of something around somebody and you're like, 825 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: not now, not now, I want to eat my breakfast. 826 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing to me. And but but that 827 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: that leads me into what he said. He was like, 828 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, this is who you are, and so it 829 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: dawned on me. I'm like, right, if somebody doesn't accept 830 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 1: my mediumship, they kind of aren't accepting me in a 831 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 1: way because it's kind of like having now and I'm 832 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: not comparing myself to a priest, So please don't think 833 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 1: I am right now. It's just the closest thing that 834 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: I can think of right now, just off the top 835 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: of my head. It's like if you meet a priest, 836 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: it's like you can't really take like like when you 837 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: take the priest out of his outfit, his his uniform 838 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: is at tire. He's still a priest. Like you go 839 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: out for dinner with a priest and you don't want 840 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: to swear like you're not going to be You're gonna 841 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: try to be your best self. I think, even if 842 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: you're not Catholic or something like, let me let me 843 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,839 Speaker 1: read something particle who you are? I want to read 844 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: this review. Okay, this says all my life. I've been 845 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: around people with psychic gifts and have seen many experience 846 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: in the field and know that Caroline is at the 847 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: very top of the field in terms of her ability, 848 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 1: one of the very best anywhere. Robert Monroe of the 849 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: Monroe Institute, which is the world's leading education center for 850 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: the study of human consciousness. That's not a small claim there, 851 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 1: that that's huge. Essentially, are being considered as one of 852 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: the top psychics in the world right, which blows my 853 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: mind because honestly, I'm such a hermit. You know me, 854 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: heyday now, and I'm such a hermit and I'm such 855 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: a mom. I just live in normal life. I try 856 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: UM and I am giving readings every day. I do 857 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: do this for a loving um. But I don't have 858 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: a comparison because I'm though, I'm I'm other mediums, medium 859 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: like I read for a lot of mediums and psychics 860 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,359 Speaker 1: all over the world. Wow. Uh, and I'm connected with 861 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 1: some of the biggest psychics with shows like they know 862 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: of me, and they will, uh, they'll they'll kick some 863 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: of my clients or excuse me some of their clients 864 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: to me for medical issues and things like, which is 865 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: extremely h very I'm humbled by it. I'm humbled by it. 866 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: Um that they even know of me. I mean, words spreads. 867 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm all word of mouth. I usually shy away from publicity. 868 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: It's weird that I'm considered that because I'm just like me. 869 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like this normal whatever. I'm like a mom 870 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: in a small town, just doing my life, you know, 871 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: right right, and and it's weird. It's a it's a 872 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 1: beautiful weird. It took me months to convince you to 873 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,800 Speaker 1: come on my show, and I know you so um, 874 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: I feel you. I understand though. It's like you know, 875 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: it's what you do is really special in your your 876 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: focus are his family, of course, I I totally get 877 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 1: it now. People don't realize this, but I plan to 878 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,879 Speaker 1: have you come on this show. Every so often when 879 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,000 Speaker 1: you do have something that comes to mind that you'd 880 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: like to share with the audience. Um, and I welcome 881 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: it any time. So people should get used to hearing 882 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 1: your voice and knowing who you are, because I think 883 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: you're so special and I tell you that all the time, 884 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: and and I really feel that, you know, I've always 885 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 1: felt that mankind is supposed to evolve to a certain 886 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 1: level of understanding about the world around us, spiritual or not. 887 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: And uh, and here and here you are, here you are, 888 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 1: and you're from my hometown. And I'm just like, it's 889 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: it's you're refreshing. And you know, I want to give 890 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,880 Speaker 1: you the opportunity to you, Heidi, refreshing, what what people do? Uh? 891 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: I want you to have the opportunity to share what's 892 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: what's coming your way recently, whether it has to do 893 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: with the state of the world right now or what, 894 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 1: so people can go you know who you are, I know, 895 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,840 Speaker 1: I know, it's a lot, it's a lot. Yeah. Um. 896 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: The state of the world another really big question, because 897 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: even though the world is really small, there's a lot 898 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: going on. Um. The state of the universe is another 899 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,240 Speaker 1: whole conversation. Um, you know, are the state of consciousness 900 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: and how expansive that is, and how we're still in 901 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,360 Speaker 1: our baby phase of that, and we're just really beginning 902 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 1: to expand more. Um, you know, as a community as 903 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: a whole, it's gonna take some time for us to 904 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: become more expansive. I appreciate what you're saying so much. 905 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,879 Speaker 1: I think that we're far from it still. I think 906 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,759 Speaker 1: that people, you know, we were were considered to be 907 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 1: in kind of like an age of awakening right now. 908 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,839 Speaker 1: And I definitely feel a shift in the energy, and 909 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: I see I'm very aware of the shift of consciousness 910 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 1: and the acceptance of this field and what I do. 911 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: It's been beautiful and overwhelmingly supportive. So this is a fun, energetic, 912 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: insanely expansive time that we're in, but it's only the beginning. 913 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: It's we're still just in our baby steps. That's how 914 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,799 Speaker 1: I feel. We're still so primitive in so many ways. Um, 915 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 1: in medicine, we're very primitive in medicine still. You know, 916 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,840 Speaker 1: all of the stuff that we do now is just 917 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,799 Speaker 1: going to be considered like just crazy later. I mean 918 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,839 Speaker 1: even in a hundred years or something, we're gonna look 919 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: back on, Oh, that was so primitive, that was so 920 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 1: brutal they treated their patients and stuff, and it's like 921 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: how come they didn't how come they didn't know how 922 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,520 Speaker 1: to use this light inside instead of you know, opening 923 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,400 Speaker 1: people up with these you know, crazy tools and stuff. 924 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,480 Speaker 1: So it's like, I could go on and on about 925 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 1: where we are versus where we're going to be and 926 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: I and I love thinking about this. The world is 927 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,880 Speaker 1: not going to end. A lot of people think the 928 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,800 Speaker 1: world is going to end. I'm like, there's going to 929 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: be a shift and energy times of people that comes 930 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: from fear. Everybody thinks the world's gonna end. A lot 931 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 1: of people think that that life ends once you die. 932 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: So I mean, there you go. It's just it's it's 933 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 1: the willingness to expand past your fears. Um. But with 934 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: the pandemic, I mean, how do you persue all that? 935 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 1: We really it's it's it's it's it challenges me to 936 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,440 Speaker 1: like understand how how how people can think that the 937 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: world is going to end just because they're feeling that 938 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: way emotionally. It's just funny because it's like the world 939 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: was here before we were. The planet was here before us, 940 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: and trust me, the planet will outlive us, you know, 941 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 1: if the planet will out outlive us. Anything about our 942 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 1: current situation that you want to share, We've got a 943 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: couple of minutes left. So you're talking about the pandemic, 944 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,400 Speaker 1: which would be another lengthy answer which we don't have 945 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 1: time for right now. But I've posted many things early on, 946 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: like last year in February, regarding the pandemic, and you 947 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: know what it is versus what we're being told, and 948 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: I posted a lot about it which has unfolded, you know, 949 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,680 Speaker 1: everything that I posted about it. Right away. They were 950 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 1: saying it was a long issue, and I was getting 951 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,920 Speaker 1: that it was a blood coagulation issue among other things. 952 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean that it would cause you know, aneurysms, you know, 953 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:34,399 Speaker 1: heart issues, neurological issues, etcetera. Um. I posted so much 954 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: about you know, supplements that people could take to kind 955 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,439 Speaker 1: of stay away and ward off, you know, be able 956 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 1: to try and keep the pandemic at bay from them, 957 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: and what communities would be affected more. I knew the 958 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 1: Black community would be affected more because in general, the 959 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,879 Speaker 1: black community runs more anemic and it tends to hit 960 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: people that are iron depleted more. Just so you guys know, 961 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard that that's what I've gotten from 962 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: spirit a year ago. Um, a lot of this stuff 963 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,720 Speaker 1: is on old that I told people to take copious 964 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,320 Speaker 1: amounts of vitamin D three and to get intervene this vitamin. 965 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,839 Speaker 1: See if they could so many things, this is just 966 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,360 Speaker 1: a few. Okay, you can find that if you're my 967 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: Facebook friend, which I don't always accept everybody because it 968 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,600 Speaker 1: just gets overwhelming. But um, you know, some people listen 969 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,560 Speaker 1: and other people's don't, you know. But many seem astonished 970 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,760 Speaker 1: at the accuracy of the information that I was getting, 971 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,080 Speaker 1: which is confusing to me, as its spirits who's delivering 972 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,879 Speaker 1: the information that me? You know, and they're always right. 973 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,400 Speaker 1: They're always right, So it's like I don't question it. 974 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,359 Speaker 1: How can people get a hold of you if they'd 975 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,919 Speaker 1: like to have a reading and learn more about you? Sure, 976 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,719 Speaker 1: I have a website, it's the Next World medium dot 977 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,640 Speaker 1: com and all of my information, including my phone numbers 978 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,399 Speaker 1: on there in my email contact awesome, and you're gonna 979 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: be bouncing back on here every so often. I'm so excited, 980 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: and I really want to thank you for taking the 981 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,120 Speaker 1: time out of your busy schedule to join me today. 982 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: This is great. Thank you so much. For having me 983 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,240 Speaker 1: as a pleasure. All Right, you guys go to Heidi 984 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: Hollis dot com and said your experiences on Ober. If 985 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: you'd like to have an addressed here on the show. 986 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi 987 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 988 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and we'll catch you next time. Goodbye, everybody. Well, 989 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait 990 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 1: until you hear the next one. You've been listening to 991 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,160 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.