WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Drew Terrell Comes Home To Help Offense 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:05.480 Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles ahead. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:06.720 He got jacked. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.640 This is the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:12.280 in Gilbert. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.720 Harry's Gonna score touchdown Slim to the ground by Buddha 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:17.200 Baker Like a torpedo. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.079 He came flying into the back field. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.640 The rage is brought to you by santan Ford in Gilbert. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:30.040 Are you santan Ford State Farm? 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I mean, it's already been a good 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:09.400 day for you, Wolf. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.360 Yes, it has. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.119 When you've heard the words and I quote under center 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.280 and power scheme part of your interview earlier with Will Hernandez, 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.839 who really is your kindred spirit? As a three hundred 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.440 and fifty pound you know, just mauling guard in there. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.040 And then when Will Hernandez adds as part of your 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.040 Q and A that he says, quote, I like the 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.080 mentality of the new coaching staff, and I like how 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:36.399 things are trending. 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:37.560 Quote end quote. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.120 Well, you know what, it is going to be a 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.440 good addition to the big red Rage presented by santan 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.880 Ford and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford, our special guest 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.080 tonight Cardinals wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator Drew Terrell, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.000 Paul Calvic, Ron Wolfley, and yes, Will Hernandez set a 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.400 tone today? Did he not Wolf? 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.560 He definitely did. Paul. He came walking in to the studio. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.560 Of course, had three hundred and fifty pounds. He is 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.960 a big, big dude. He's a very physical player, as 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:09.160 you well know, Paully. I would tell anybody go back 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.520 and look at the tape from last year. I think 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.959 before he got hurt, he was the best most consistent 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.400 offensive lineman the Arizona Cardinals had. Just love Will Hernandez 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.919 the right guard. I think that's where he's going to 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.280 be on this offensive line going forward. And yeah, he 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.040 said everything we expect about the mentality of this team 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.320 and the schemes that they're going to run a little 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.040 bit more. It's going to be very physical. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.240 He was your guy the moment he picked a fight 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.880 with JJ Watt in training camp. Let's be honest, Wolf, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:40.760 he really was. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:46.240 Just honestly, do you know how much circumference that it 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.080 takes to actually pick a fight with a guy who's 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.919 going to be all of JJ Watt? 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:52.600 That was huge? 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:53.800 Told me a lot about Will. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:54.400 Yeah, it did. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.639 And we're gonna hear from Will, Hernandez and Dj Humphries 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.760 a little bit later in this edition of The Big 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.679 Redge presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert But batting leadoff 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.079 would be your head coach Jonathan Gannon. And guess what 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.640 Cardinals were on the field, both the veterans and the 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.760 rookies for the first time together this week. And here's 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.440 the new head coach and what they got from their 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.120 very first ODA session. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:20.560 Technique and fundamentals and finally some decisions and actions. So 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.480 get to line up against each other and play some football. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.760 So good to compete a little bit and get on 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.280 the grass. Go offense, first defense, special teams. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.639 But I liked how we worked there. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:35.120 You go on the OTA Jonathan Gannon talking about this, So, Wolf, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.800 I mean, you tell me in this day and age, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.680 where you know. My favorite example of the voluntary and 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.600 voluntary OTA comes from Titans and Nashville where the head 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.480 coach Mike Vrabel ran into his all pro safety Kevin 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.640 Byerd on Sunday at the golf course at the golf 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.600 club and then didn't see him during the OTAs during 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.640 the week, but he ran into him on the golf course. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.160 That was my favorite anecdote of the week. So it's 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.080 far from mandatory. We know that it's in the name, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.120 it's voluntary. But for the most part, everybody was in 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.400 attendance this week, and I would expect as much when 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.520 you have a brand new coaching staff. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.080 Yeah. It was interesting, Bully, because back when I was 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.920 playing in the National Football League, they still did They 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:18.840 had the quarterback schools. They would call them. They would 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:23.000 call them voluntary quarterback schools, and yet everyone knew that 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.680 it was not voluntary. It was like, we're going to 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.039 have this quarterback class. We're going to have this little 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.200 two week period right here, and man, would we love 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.080 for you to be there. And if you're not going 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.719 to be there, it's going to tell us a little 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:38.040 something something about you. It was I would say ninety 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.799 seven ninety eight percent. The only way you didn't show 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.000 up for a quarterback school is if you were trying 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.520 to hold out and get a new contract. That's the 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.880 only time you weren't going to show up. So whenever 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.760 there's a new coaching staff, it really behooves the veteran. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.080 I would say, this is just me to show up 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:01.160 and actually participate. And we you've seen that happen from 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.479 time to time this offseason already. And yet at the 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.600 same time, they have their fair share of guys that 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.039 who did not show up. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.840 Look, you played a decade in the league. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:12.760 You went to Pro Bowls. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.360 Kyle Vannenbosch on the Red Sea Report another guy who 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.159 played a decade in the league went. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:17.840 To Pro Bowls. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.000 And here was Kvb's take on just the importance of OTAs. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.600 You've got to have reps. You've got to practice them. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.760 You can't just draw stuff up on a board. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:27.240 You know. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.839 The great thing again about football is eleven guys have 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.880 to do their jobs, and in order to do that, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.520 you have to rep it over and over and over 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.680 until it's impossible to make a mistake. Not rep it 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.880 until they get it right, rep it until you don't 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.359 get it wrong. And starting to get those reps on 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.920 the field on the grass right now, it's going to 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:45.840 pay off in the fall. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.280 I love that line. Don't rep until you get it right, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.320 rep until you're not going to get it wrong. It's 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.080 impossible to get it wrong. And when you have a 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.120 brand new scheme on both sides of the ball, with 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.400 brand new coordinators in a brand new head coach, I mean, well, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.719 if we know how impair of it is you're not 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.880 playing fast in the NFL. You can have all the 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.120 measurables and all the talent, the athleticism in the world, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.640 but if you're not thinking fast, you're not playing fast. 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.160 And that to me is why this is so vital, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.240 because it has to become second nature. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.360 No doubt about it, BALI. It really does right now. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.560 And there are a lot of changes, as we all know, 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:25.680 terminology changes, schemes, they will change. When are OTAs meaningful 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.159 to a veteran, I would say there are three primary 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.440 areas where it's really meaningful to a veteran to show 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.160 up to OTAs voluntary, though they be number one is 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.479 when there's a new coaching staff with new schemes. That 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.200 makes sense, right BALI, Yep, a new staff and a 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.320 brand new paradigm, you're gonna have a brand new culture. Yeah. 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.080 I think it really behooves the veteran to show up 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.440 when there are are new schemes to absorb. Number two, 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.240 when the veteran is new to the team period. Here 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.520 you know you are an unrestricted free agent, they brought 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.400 you in, whatever it may be. If you're new to 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.320 the team, you want to show up because of the 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.280 new schemes of course, and the new teammates. You want 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.920 to start building that relationship with your teammates. And then 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.720 I would say number three, when the veteran is coming 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.880 off an injury. I think those three things, primarily, Paul, 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:23.800 those are when its most beneficial. I would say to 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.400 a veteran to show up and actually participate in these OTAs. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.960 For me, a guy that was always on the bubble, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.920 this was not voluntary. This was show up and make 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.360 sure you're there. Into any guy that is out there 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.600 that is forty eight, forty nine on the roster or 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.840 further back, you're going to show up to these voluntary workouts. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.040 And from the outside looking in, can I add number 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.880 four and that is when there's a new GM in 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.040 the house, when makes it worse a new decision maker 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.640 watching all of these sessions right with his assistant GM, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.880 Dave Sears alongside Manti ausin for it, and you don't 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.840 quite know exactly what they're thinking and whether they think 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.680 they might have a need at your position between now 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.360 and training camp and whether, yes, you're even gonna get 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.120 out of training camp. So yes, I would say it's 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.040 most definitely in your best interest unless you're an all 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.400 pro player and you feel like you have all the 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.119 security in the world. So and it's all and look, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:22.960 as a new staff, you're going to get that extra 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.080 week as well, because it is imperative you are behind 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:27.760 the eight ball as a new coaching staff to get 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.120 your system installed. And it is a process. And Jonathan 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:32.520 Gannon was asked about that. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.200 Pretty close to being done. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.040 Yeah, we give them a lot and there's a natural 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.400 teaching progression to all that, and we'd like to hit 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.240 it two, three, four times before we got to line 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.520 up and play week one. I'm excited that we do 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.400 have a lot in and we just got to coach 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:50.240 up to details. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.760 Here's my one inkling too, by the way, just reading 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.920 between the lines, Wolf, You know, we do interviews, we 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.080 talked to coaches, et cetera. I have this sense, this 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.280 vibe they're going to simplify things this year on both 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.520 sides of the ball that I think ideally they take 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.920 maybe a little bit off the plate of a Kyler 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.520 Murray and maybe try and simplify the process of his 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.000 decision making a Kaiser White if he indeed is going 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.400 to be the guy in that speculation calling the defense. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.920 Guess what, He's been in this defense for a number 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.320 of years in Philadelphia, and he's with Jonathan Gannon before that. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.199 So I think you're going to for example, is Zavi 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.520 and Collins on the outside, right, I think he's going 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.800 to be thinking less and playing more. And I think 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.360 that's more akin to being the norm this year than 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:34.920 the exception. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.160 Yeah, I would agree with you, Pauli, and that is 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.200 hitting the reset button basically on offense and defense and 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.720 in transition with special teams as well. I think, yeah, 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.959 they're going to bring it down to the bare boned 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:53.240 fundamentals how they want things done. That's part of building culture. Again. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.880 You can't make any assumptions if you're JAG and the 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.000 coaching staff and Monty assen Fort and you're trying to 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.640 change the culture of this team going forward, Polly, you 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.959 gotta tear it all down. You gotta strip it all down, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.280 and that means right down to the technique and fundamental 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.520 level of those techniques. And that's exactly what JJ was 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.079 talking about. You gotta tear it down then and then 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.360 build it back up and not take anything for granted. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:26.400 Don't assume that a guy has been taught anything technique 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.080 and fundamentals, and this is the time of year you 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:29.679 teach that. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.280 By the way, some of the takeaways from OTA's Isaiah 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.760 Simmons running with the dbs the safeties in particular, Zavin 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.800 Collins was with the outside linebackers this week during the 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.800 open media session. I know Will Hernandez talking about playing 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.640 next to Paris Johnson Junior, so it seems like he's 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.960 getting reps at right tackle John Gains among those snapping 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.400 the ball. So look, there are some questions, and there 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.040 are some players who might be in different spots than 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.480 we're accustomed to, but I would say there are still 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.720 a number a number of open spots that this new 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.400 GM is looking at Wolfen trying to decide between now 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.000 and mandatory mini camp. Okay, do I need to make 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.839 a move before training camp? Is that plausible? 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:16.360 Yeah, Paully, is it plausible? Yes? I do believe a 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.760 move is plausible before training camp right now. But once again, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.559 I just love the fact you bringing up Will Hernandez 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.600 was talking to me today about, Hey, when do you 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.679 see a general manager go out and actually draft an 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.800 offensive lineman in the first round, a guy that believes 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.520 in the physicality of the game. And I love that 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.200 because this is culture. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.160 Building from the inside out, just like we predicted going 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.040 into the draft. All Right, Will Hernandez, we'll hear from 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.480 him a little bit later. Up next, how of the 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.560 Cardinals assistant coach he played for and coach with, Jim Harbaugh, 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.640 just coached for Ron Revere. He's just part of the 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.719 NFL Coach Accelerator program, Drew Terrell. He's up next in 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.080 the big red rage resented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.120 Hurry in an empty set in Shotgun, takes a snap, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.520 three step drop, looks over the middle, throws and it's 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.120 bought by Brown first down. 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.360 Makes a man mess in the fifteenth. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.040 Cut right to the ten, Pap Brown is into the 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:19.840 UPTI for a touchdown. Hollywood Brown ben spectacular, gorgeous run 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:20.800 after the catch. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:27.240 What an incredible play by Hollywood Brown. Do you want 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:31.360 to talk about the red carpet? Hollywood Brown, just walk 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.440 down the red carpet here at State barf stated. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.360 Hey, passion wolf n't kidding right there? That was a 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.000 season long twenty five yard touchdown catch and run. Hollywood 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.240 Brown against the Eagles early in the season. Fact led 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.079 the Cardinals in that game eight grabs, seventy eight yards 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.120 receiving and if you remember, as of that game, he 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.440 was fifth in the league in receptions and seventh in 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.440 receiving yards. It was the next week at Seattle where 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.480 he suffered the foot injury going tog treik Wollen, and 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.480 then he missed four or five games after that, and 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.840 his season wasn't quite the same. And I just provide 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.760 that as a reminder of the potential of Hollywood Brown. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.040 Of course, I don't need to remind his new position 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.800 coach who joins us now, as we say, welcome in. 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.559 Drew Terrell is our guest here on the Big Red 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.400 Race presented by santan Ford and Gilbert Welcome to the show. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.440 Welcome home, Drew Mason Native, right. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:25.000 No doubt. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:29.160 Well born in Masa, but really really at Chandler Native. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.600 I probably spent the most time in Chandler. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.360 And Chandler Hamilton. And what's it been like coming home, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.640 because you know, I mean, there's a lot of positives, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.600 but then I'm guessing you also are going to have 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.160 to set some expectations when it comes to ticker requests 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:41.840 and stuff like that. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.679 Right, Yeah, that's probably the biggest negative is probably that 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.360 the ticker requests people want to come to State Farm 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:50.520 Stadium to see the games. 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.000 But it's all been extremely positive. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.360 I Mean when I figured I had this opportunity to 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.360 come back home, I didn't even didn't want to tell anybody. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:13:59.880 He didn't want to say anything to Jinks. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.840 Didn't want to put myself in a situation where it 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.280 couldn't happen, because you know, when when you're coaching, you 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:07.240 always have this vision. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:08.599 You know, you want to get back as close to 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:09.400 home as possible. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.040 But I never thought I would have the opportunity to 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.920 come home and represent the Cardinals and you know, drive 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.840 the same streets I grew up driving and you know, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.800 live in a similar area to where I grew up 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.840 in and it's been an outstanding, you know, transition. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:21.560 It's been awesome. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.040 I mean, you see all the players families react on 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:25.800 draft day, right, we just went through that. I'm sure 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.720 your family and friends must have reacted when you got 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:28.600 to make that phone call. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:29.520 Right, Oh, no doubt. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.160 I mean it was I remember when I got the 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.360 when I got the call from MANI, and you know, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.680 I was in my kitchen in Virginia and my wife 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.080 and I just looked at each other and I said, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.040 you know, we're going We're going back, and you know, 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.320 I teared up and she started crying. And then I 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.360 called my mom and she was crying, and it was like, yeah, 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:49.880 it was like I got drafted to go back home. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.560 It was it was insane. It was awesome, excited to 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:53.920 be here. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.200 Drew Trell is our guest right last three years with 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.840 the Commanders. So what do you think when week one 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.280 as the Cardinals at Washington. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.240 Couldn't have written a better script? 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:03.520 Right? 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:04.200 Right? 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.840 Week one, go back to where you've been. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.960 For three years, where you know, we had our daughter, 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.680 where you know, my wife and I were married during 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.720 our time there, so you know, obviously a lot of 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.400 near and dear memories for our family there. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.560 But couldn't write it any better. Of course, we're going there. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:18.840 We're going exactly. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.960 And you know what I'm trying to tell people, if 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.960 there's a new ownership group in place, that stadium is 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.760 gonna be hopping. I mean, I'm guessing there's gonna be 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.800 a big time by But let's rewind past that. You 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.479 spent what four or five years as a grad assistant, 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.600 did you not? I mean you're thirty one years old, right, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.240 I just cleared stuff out of my garage this past weekend. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.720 That's older than you drew. Okay, but you put in 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.360 your time on some of the lower runs of coaching. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.400 You really invested it and grinded early in your career, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:47.760 didn't you. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.320 Yeah, well, I got into coaching when I was twenty 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.200 two years old, so I was I was young when 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:52.840 I got in. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.080 It during my first year at Virginia Tech. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.920 And yeah, I spent four years as a graduate assistant, 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.760 spent two years as a quality control in the NFL, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.800 and then the next year I was the assistant receiver coach, 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.520 and then after that first year in Washington, they promoted me. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.120 So you know, it's been a steady climb. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.360 You know, had to work my way up, been around 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.800 a ton of great coaches, people that you know, really 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.240 went out of their way to pour into me and 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.680 give me the knowledge that they had to help me 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.400 elevate and be prepared for my next opportunities. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.720 And we're going to get into the Cardinals receiver room 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.400 and this offense, especially as the passing game coordinator. But 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.120 as long as we're talking about your career, your fresh 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.160 off a trip to Minneapolis, the Spring League meetings and 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:36.120 the NFL Coach Accelerator program that they talk about giving 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.400 a chance to network. There were as the NFL Network 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.080 described it, I was watching some of it this week. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.600 They described it as forty diverse coaching candidates with a 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.120 chance to network with ownership and club executives. Just give 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.760 us a quick thumbnail. What was it all about. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.160 Yeah, it was a chance, you know, for the lead 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.800 to get some few young coaches, few older coaches, primarily 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.080 minority candidates. Give them a chance to you know, get 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.160 around ownership and executives. Like you say, you know, give 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.280 you the opportunity to kind of show your personality, show 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.080 what you're about, you know, to these owners, mostly in 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.840 an informal setting to where you know, the conversations are 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.760 comfortable conversations. And also one of the really good things 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.800 about it was, I'm getting around. Gave me the opportunity 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.720 to get around coaches, minority coaches who have been very 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.560 successful in this league, coaches like Leslie Frasier and Tarah 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.520 Austin and and people that have been in this league 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.560 a long time. And then a lot of great things, 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.119 you know, especially you know, being minorities, and I was, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.240 you know, almost more in all of that. You know, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.040 sitting in the room with those people, people that you 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.400 look up to in the profession that have really done 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.760 it for a long time, and with the longevity that 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.280 they've had, I think it's something that you know, I 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.879 aspire to. So that part, you know, was just as 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.040 awesome as you know, the conversations with ownership. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.440 Hey must have been an honor just to be selected. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.439 I mean, they identified forty future candidates they think of 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.919 as coordinators and future head coaches in the league. So 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.320 right there, I'm sure that's an honor. And then you 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.240 come back and you get right into it in the 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.080 same day, you're flying in. You're right back out there 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.199 and you're grinding, and you're working with Drew Petsen, And 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.399 so what do you make of this offense? Because I 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.880 tell you everyone we talked to they talk about how 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.639 there's gonna be a renewed emphasis on the run and 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.640 this will be a very balanced attack. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.000 Yeah, I mean, it's been awesome. Drew's doing a tremendous job. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.400 You can tell he's, you know, ultra prepared for this opportunity. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.359 He's extremely detailed. He's got a clear vision of what 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:26.919 he wants and what he wants it to look like 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:29.160 and the way he wants us to train and coach 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.240 the players. You know, it's it's going to be exciting 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.960 to watch how this offense, you know, evolves and develops 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.200 in suits and fits and molds to our personnel. I think, 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.320 you know, at the core of it, you know, we 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.359 want to serve the players and capitalize on their strengths. 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.560 And that's what this offense is really geared towards. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.199 And look, we can talk about the run game, but 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.760 you're the passing game coordinator, Drew Drell our guest here, 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.200 and look, the the honest reality is, if you look 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.119 at the downfield passing attack. Last year, there wasn't a 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.280 lot to speak of. I mean, most of the metrics 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.440 will show that card right near the bottom of the league. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.159 I'm sure you've seen a lot of that on film. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.040 So what are you stressing right now? What's most important 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.199 and what are your objectives, especially as you're ready for 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.200 mandatory mini camp and then eventually training camp. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.600 You know, I think the objectives for us right here 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.800 in OTAs is really trying to fine tune fundamentals and 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.440 kind of determine what type of offense we're going to 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.320 be given the guys we have, you know, really assess 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.560 their skill sets and get a feel for, you know, 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.080 things they excel at, things that are going to give 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.200 our quarterbacks the best chance to be successful. So really 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.159 it's about you know, identifying those things being really really 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.240 detailed on fundamental football because this time of year, you know, 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.679 things are slowed down, a lot of teaching goes into it, 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.600 and of course you know we're trying to implement a 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.439 new system. But I think all those things are geared 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.080 towards serving the guys that we have and maximizing their 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:54.119 strengths as best as we can. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.000 Look We're familiar with Hollywood Brown. We just heard the highlight, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.520 you know, Rondell Moore. It's ginn to some of the 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.320 new guys in this strowster, starting with you, round three rookie, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:08.159 Michael Wilson, Stanford guy. And you played at Stanford. To 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.280 what degree were you pounding the table on draft day? 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.720 I mean was he on your radar? And how much 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.080 input did you give money when it came to that selection. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:17.280 Yeah, so Mike. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.760 I knew about Mike of course, you know, being at Stanford, 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.359 and then he he wore my number. 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:23.760 He wore it a lot better than I did, by 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.480 the way, Hey, that's coming from a guy he won 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.639 a Rose Ball. So I mean, come on, you were 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:30.360 Stanford's leading receiver your final. 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.080 Year, right, Yeah? 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.120 And he played with Zach Ertz and I saw where 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.000 your first touchdown catch was from Andrew Locke. Oh yeah, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:38.280 so you can name drop a little. 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.080 Yeah, make sure he tells Zach all of the team's 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:45.240 leading receiver, right, That's right. But but yeah, so I 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.399 knew about Mike early in the process, but I hadn't 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.440 really had a chance to really dive into his tape 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.280 and evaluate him until that process came. This offseason, and 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.800 when you dig into the tape, what you find is, 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.720 you know, a kid that's extremely detailed. You know, he's 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.439 got right athleticism, a great skill set, got good size, 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.640 moves really well for his size. But he was making 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.720 plays on tape to translate to this game. His play 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.080 speed was outstanding. He was attacking the football away from 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.000 his body. So that's the biggest thing when you're watching guys, 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.680 college guys on tape is how does their skill set 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.800 translate to this level and what we do? And you know, 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:21.720 Mike was checking boxes and then you go back and 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:23.760 you watch the Senior Bowl. You know what he was 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.880 able to do in truly competitive one on one situations 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:28.920 is you know, he was one of the top guys there, 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.359 and that tape showed up and you know, as we 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.360 got further along in the process, I had an opportunity 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.480 to speak with him a couple of times and he 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.040 would continued to check boxes. You know, he was smart, 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.399 he's engaging, he was locked in. You know all the 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.359 reports you got from Stanford where that he was a 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.080 tough kid, do whatever it took for the team, and 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:48.399 exactly the type of guy we're looking for. He just 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.960 happened to go to Stanford. Yeah, I'll tell you what. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.119 He was two minutes into his first press commerce of 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.160 the media, I'm like, oh my goodness, he's a top 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.280 five interview on this team already. I mean, if he's 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:00.160 gonna make plays the same advanced level he meets, it's 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.480 the media. And then the Cardinals found something. In fact, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.960 here's one of the comments he made to the media. 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.520 Whatever I get is what I'm going to earn. And 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.120 so if that's being a starting receiver, that's great. If 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.800 that's being a special teams guy, that's also great. If 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.800 that's being a backup receiver plus special team gun or roll, 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.600 whatever role that I carve out for myself, it's going 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:20.919 to be completely dependent on what I do on the 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.320 practice field, how I carry myself in the media room. 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.120 And he just looks the part. I mean, he's six 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.400 to two, he moves, so we'll see. I mean, obviously 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.639 it was rookie camp and some ota so far. How 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.520 about Zach Pascal though, another newcomer. Give us your first 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.680 impressions on a guy who's got the size obviously as 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.040 the physicality. He kind of got buried on that talented 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.000 Eagles team. Didn't need a lot of targets, but he 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.119 had a couple of really successful and productive years with 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:45.000 the Colts before that. 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.119 Yeah, I've got a ton of respect for ZP. You know, 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.719 he's done in his league, He's been productive in his league. 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.000 He's the consummate professional. He shows up every day. You're 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.520 getting the same guy. You're getting positive energy, You're getting 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:00.680 a guy that works and he's detailed about his job. Typically, 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.000 you know, when guys have success in the NFL for 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:05.919 you know, an extended period of time, they have the 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:07.800 little things figured out. They know how to take care 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:09.720 of their body, they know how to conduct themselves in 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.440 the meeting room. They know how to practice, which is 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.480 is something that takes guys a little bit to learn 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:18.800 and understand the importance of deliberate practice. And ZP is 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.000 a guy that's you know, he's been outstanding. He's been 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:22.680 really good for our room. We've got some young guys 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.680 in the room and he's a great example of you know, perseverance. 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.600 He was an undrafted guy, a guy to start off 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.760 on a practice squad, you know, became the Colts leading receiver. 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:33.919 Like you said, he was in Philly where they had 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.440 a you know, a pretty high profile room, but he's 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:37.280 a reliable guy. 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:38.560 Talked to the coaches there. 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:40.239 And I mean, they love ZP and it was tough 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.560 for them to lose them, but you know, their loss 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:43.080 is our game. 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.840 So I'm you know, I'm a ton of respect for ZP. 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.399 Glad we have and hey, DeAndre Hopkins still an unknown. 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:52.440 So now you look at guys like Hollywood Brown and 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.400 Rondel Moore and Greg Dortch, and all those guys are burners. 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.720 I mean, those guys can all move. What have you 0:23:57.760 --> 0:23:59.919 seen out of them? And how do you how do 0:23:59.920 --> 0:24:02.879 you see them fitting into a droop pets and passing attack. 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.080 Is there a certain style that fans can expect this year? 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:06.520 Perhaps? 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.080 You know, I think we're still in those introductory phases of, 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.600 like I said, identifying what those guys do. Well, you know, 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.320 one thing that you can be sure of is that 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.600 we're going to try to maximize those guys' skill sets. 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.800 And you know what I've seen so far, those guys 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.320 have been outstanding. They've been locked in. You know, they're 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.800 working their tail off, they're trying as best they can 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.280 to grasp and learn, and they're asking the right questions 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:32.840 and something that I've been preaching is being extremely deliberate 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.160 with their thought process and the way they go about practice. 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.520 And those guys have have been outstanding in that regard, 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:44.240 and you know, I'm eager and excited to watch them 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.159 learn and grow and get more and more comfortable in 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.639 this offense. Because more comfortable they get, you know, the 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:51.680 more plays they're going to make. And they've done a 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:52.200 great job. 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.879 The fact that there's the uncertainty a quarterback with Kylo's injury, 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.840 how does that impact the receiver or does it? What 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:00.240 are you telling the guys, because there's it's going to 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.800 be a number of different you know, qbs thrown to 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:03.880 them over the next few months. 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:07.879 Yeah, it has no impact on our process or our preparation. 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:10.280 I could be playing quarterback out there. I expect them 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:12.840 to be running their routes the exact same way, same 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.320 splits on the right footwork at the depth. You know, 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:19.760 whatever that is, they cannot you cannot let that be 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:21.879 involved in your thought process because it's something that you 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:23.520 can't control. 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:24.480 You have no control over it. 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:26.199 You've got to focus on what our job is, what 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:28.920 our task is, and make the job easy on whoever 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:30.600 the quarterback is our. 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:35.959 Guest, Drew Terrell, Cardinals wide receivers coach. Last question, Jonathan Gannon, 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:38.440 do you believe the team takes on the personality of 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:39.119 its head coach? 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:39.800 I do. 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:41.800 What does that mean for this team? 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.920 It means this team could take off like a rocket. 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:49.639 I mean, that guy's got tremendous, legitimate energy. It's not 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.840 phony energy, it's not fake energy. JG's got a legitimate 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.000 excitement and a passion for this game and for serving players. 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:02.480 So and you think that's infectious, I believe wholeheartedly that's infectious. 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:04.800 I'll tell you what, a lot of these coaches have 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.720 a really good track record, including yourself, including that rolls 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.760 ball win you had for Stanford. I tell you, next 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:12.800 time you're on you got to tell some Jim Harbaugh stories, 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.000 because I know you got some. If we're playing for 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:16.800 him and coaching with him, I know you got some 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:17.320 some beauties. 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.600 What a time we get. We'll save that for later. 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.080 Drew Corell, our guest, as we continue with a big 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.000 red rage wasented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:26.080 santan Ford. 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.359 We got a good group of guys that's just like 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.359 great dudes that want to play football, so it's easy 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.320 to mingle with the group. Is easy to interject young 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.639 office and linemen into the room, and it'd be fun. 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.280 Oh man, me and Parris are already clicking. Man, such 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.560 a cool guy, very smart. We even have our own 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:51.479 handshake going on. Already there you go, and already, well, 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:53.639 I'll give you guys a clue. It's we wouldn't call 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.399 it a handshake. We would call it more of a 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:56.040 belly shake. 0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.359 Well, well, Hernandez has my attention on that one. Not 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:03.640 exactly sure what that might be all about, but from 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.560 the sideline this year, I'll be sure to keep half 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.760 an eye on those two breaking the huddle, because apparently 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.640 they got something in store. It is a big red 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:13.159 rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert's special thanks to 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:17.400 Cardinals receivers coach passing game coordinator Drew Terrell. The former 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.240 channeler Hamilton Star went to Stanford. I love the line 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.919 about remind zach Ertz that he was the leading receiver 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.080 for that Stanford team his senior year. So we're gonna 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.240 have to do that with zach Ertz a little bit later. Well, 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.240 I mean the personalities and you brought it up in 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.840 your interview with Will Hernandez earlier today a ninety eight 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.320 seven FM Arizona Sports The Wolf and Luke Show. I 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.639 mean the personality that offensive line room are almost as 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.879 big as the individuals themselves, right, they need like their 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.359 own podcast. I mean that would be that would be 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.480 good stuff to get those guys on Mike interacting for real. 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.600 Yeah, I thought that was super super funny, right there, 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:56.160 Will Hernandez. Especially, here's a guy three hundred and fifty pounds. Now, 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.119 he says Paul, he wants to get down to three 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.119 thirty five. Okay, he will be down to three thirty 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.720 five when he comes into training camp, but right now 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.880 he's three fifty And you know, honestly, will you look 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:08.000 every bit of that? 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.320 Well, you know what, well, well think about it. D 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.280 J Jumpers. We asked him about the schedule release, right, 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:17.600 and and he what was this joke? 0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:18.960 Half joke? Half for real? 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.840 Did we offend anyone in the league office? Because look 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.040 at some of the defensive lines that go against to 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.399 start the year the Washington Commanders, are you kidding me? 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.520 With Deron Payne and Jonathan Allen and Montes Sweat and 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.560 Chase Young and then you get Dexter Lawrence. I think 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:36.199 about Dexter Lawrence. I mean, Will Hernandz might have to 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.560 be three point fifty to go against the Giants and 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:40.760 Dexter Lawrence. They're all pro nose tackle. And then you 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:42.920 get that Cowboys front of Michah Parsons. And then in 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:47.280 week four, hello, there's Nick Bosa and Javon Hargrave. Hargrave 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.160 on the interior. So I mean, maybe it's by design 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.360 Will Hernandez wayne into three p fifty because guess what, 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.400 they're going to be tested in the first month of 0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:57.880 the season. 0:28:58.040 --> 0:28:59.920 No, they are going to be tested bully. He did 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.960 say though that no, he's it's not by it. He 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.080 doesn't want to be three to fifty. Okay, he says 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.680 he wants to be three thirty five. But you know, 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.600 and you know me, I'm like, hey, Will, if you 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.240 want to stay at three fifty, that's great, because oh, 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.520 by the way, are we running power? Are we doing that? 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.840 Are we going to line up and actually blow somebody's 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.600 face off and run the ball downhill? And can I 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.160 just tell you that Will Hernandez was talking about that 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:26.520 very thing. PAULI really impressed with the physicality of Manti 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.040 assen Ford and JG and their culture. 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:31.960 Hey, Will Hernandez might want to check and see if 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.840 Jonathan Gannon runs a fitness test on the first day 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:36.960 of camp. I'm just saying, you know, before he decides 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.200 what he's going to weigh in exactly in the whole cardio. Look, 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.040 here's DJ Humphries from The Wolf and Luke Show this 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:47.040 week on his very first meeting with a new offensive coordinator, 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:47.840 Drew Petsing. 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.280 Me and Drew became friends the first day we met 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.680 because the first thing he said to me was, I'm 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.080 gonna tell you now, we're gonna run the ball a 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:55.880 lot more than you did before. I said, Man, you 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:57.680 don't have to tell me anything else, brouh. I'm not 0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.440 the guy that you need to like tell the offense to. 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.360 I'm not that gab bro. I'm gonna go out there 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:03.320 and and block the inn. Let you guys play ten 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.920 versus ten. I really appreciate you telling me that we're 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.680 just gonna run about more everything else, Coach, don't even 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:09.360 waste your breath, bro. 0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.320 There's a lot of players talking about what's coming in 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.480 terms of not only more run game, but the style 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:18.800 of run game. We also talked to running back Corey 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.320 Clement this week and he affirmed pretty much everything DJ 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:23.240 Humphreys was saying. 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.120 Yeah, he did. Paulin and Corey Clement at five ten, 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.000 two twenty five. I might add, go ahead and try 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.160 to tackle that. That hurts you, That physically hurts you. 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:37.000 To try to tackle that. I'm so excited. And the 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.400 reason why I'm so excited is because I really do 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:43.840 believe that the game of football and all of its 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.800 glory on the line of scrimmage offensively and defensively, is 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.960 going to come back to the State of Arizona via 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:56.000 the Arizona Cardinals. I think they're gonna line up Paul 0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:00.960 just talking to Will today and DJ. Of course, they're 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.880 gonna line up under center a lot more. They're gonna 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:08.520 run twelve in thirteen personnel out on the field. That's 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.840 one back, two tight ends, one back, three tight ends. 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:16.040 They're gonna attack down hill. They're gonna run downhill and 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.400 attack it and use play action. You know how much 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.240 to what degree, I don't know, but I'm really excited 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.560 about it because I do believe that's the area this 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.040 offense needs to evolve. 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.480 And here's Will Hernandez from your interview earlier today, and 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.560 just what a successful run game can do for you. 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:39.520 When you're very consistent and you're able to execute, and 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.160 you're able to run the ball so much you don't 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.840 play actions, all those start being so much more effective. 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:47.840 Beautiful guys down the field of wide ass open, and 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.200 you know, it's just it makes a lot of things 0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:52.200 easier for everybody else around the ball. 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:54.880 And then you went into out they're going to run 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.640 the power. Okay, so we'll give us a quick recap 0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.160 on that, because you know, I was just listening, but 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.000 it sounded like you were out of your seat at 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:02.480 that point. 0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:04.920 No, I was, and it was because once again, are 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:09.400 you actually gonna get into a power personnel group who 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:12.440 like twelve personnel and you're gonna go ahead and line 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.080 the tight end up twelve or thirteen, two tight ends 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.240 or three tight ends. You're gonna line it up, and 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.160 then you're gonna collapse the right side. Everyone's going to blockdown. 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.000 We're gonna kick the n man out on the line 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.840 of scrimmage of backside guard. It's gonna pull around and 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.880 come up through and get on the linebacker. That is 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.960 the most physical play in all of football. It is 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.280 the power. It's the second play they actually drew up 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.040 in the dirt when they created the game of football, 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.760 and that is going to be run by the Arizona 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.640 Cardinals at some point in time. How much and to 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.440 what degree, I don't know, But just the fact they're 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:50.040 wrapping it out right now, Paul tells me so much 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:54.600 about this offense and the mentality of this offense going forward. 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.120 You know, a lot is made about Jonathan Gannon was 0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:01.200 a defensive head coach, but I think he knows, yes, 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.960 from being a defensive coordinator, that if another team can 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.320 run the ball, you know they're going to run the ball. 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:09.760 And they still run the ball. Not only is that 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.320 a very effective in moving the chains, but be it 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:16.560 is demoralizing in what they sue to a defense, right. 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.240 Yes, PAULI, no, it truly is. When the other team 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.040 can line up and this is this is about you know, 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:26.760 you were talking about simplifying and this simplifying up the 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:30.800 offense right here, simplifying it for Kyler Murray. This is 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.320 where it really is going to help Kyler to get 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.040 in a huddle, you call a play and know that 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.880 I'm going to hand the ball off on this play. 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.080 Know that you're going to hand the ball off on 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:44.360 this play and then carry a fake out, whether it's 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.160 a boot, whether it's a waggle, whatever you're gonna do. 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.840 After you handing that ball off, you're going to go 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:53.440 ahead and you're going to fake that. And I love 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.400 that because it's so definitive. Okay, we are going to 0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:00.560 attack downhill. Your offensive line knows that they're not guessing 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.880 as to how they're going to come off the ball. 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.840 They know you're gonna hand the ball off to James 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:07.600 Conner and oh, by the way, he's two hundred and 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.920 thirty two pounds. They're going to attack the line of 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:15.360 scrimmage downhill in Paul, guess what that does. That tells 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.520 every offensive lineman that lines up and puts his hand 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:22.880 in the dirt, We're counting on you to do your job. 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.680 We're counting on you to blow somebody off the ball. 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:31.080 The demand is put on the offensive line to do 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:36.080 their job and block somebody because we're running down hell. Paul, 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.040 I love that. Just think of the mentality of that. 0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.799 Right now, you're not running an RPO where you you know, 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:46.680 run pass option where the offensive line doesn't really know 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:48.680 or we're going to run it. So you know, okay, 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.879 I'm not trying to read that week side inside linebacker. 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:53.560 I'm not going to do that. I'm trying to block 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.400 the guy here that there's no doubt when you line 0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.920 up and run the ball. And that's where your offense 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:05.200 can become very, very effective by using play action. 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.319 And Will Hernandez he went off on a bit of 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.040 a rant on that where he said, yeah, the play 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.680 action becomes so much more effective. Receivers are more wide open. 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:17.040 It just makes things easier for everyone who's around the ball, 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.239 in the words of Will Hernandez. And then you talk 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.680 about simplifying it. Look, how many times do we hear defenders, 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.239 especially defensive linemen and guys in the box, say that 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.920 when the opponent gets in the gun, it simplifies it 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:30.080 for the front seven. 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:31.839 Yeah, and so, and. 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.520 Look, nobody ran the shotgun to a higher percentage last 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.520 season than the Arizona Cardinals offense. So now, especially if 0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.360 you're going to start the season with a Cole McCoy 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.960 under center, for example, or at least playing quarterback, I 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:46.120 would envision Cold being under center more than we ever 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:47.760 saw the last couple of years. 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.960 No doubt, and you know it does so much of 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.080 the time. It really helps your quarterback and run down 0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:57.719 situation first and ten second and one to six. When 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.600 you line up and you line up, especially a power 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:03.800 personnel group Pauli, when you go two tights, three tights, 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.400 you line up and you run some play action right there. Again, 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.680 it simplifies a lot of things for the quarterback. It's 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.560 you go ahead, Okay, we're not gonna run it. We're 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:18.120 gonna use play action on this Bam. You're either gonna boot, 0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:20.439 which means you're gonna roll out to the strong side, 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.440 or you're gonna waggle to the weak side of the formation. 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.600 You're gonna get out on the edge. You're gonna hit 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.000 the flat, or you're gonna hit the drag, or you're 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.719 gonna hit the deep rot. I mean, it's just bought 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:31.640 a bing but a boot. 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.279 Hey, still a lot of decisions to made on that 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.080 offensive line. D J. Jumfrees is maybe the only known 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.239 for sure at left tackle. Will Hernandez Is he gonna 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:44.160 stay at right guard? Who's your center? Paris Johnson Junior? 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:45.920 Is he your right tackle? Could he be in the 0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.319 mix at left guard? We'll talk about the defensive front 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.760 when we come back, and a reminder. Single game tickets 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:55.920 on sale now Easycardinals dot com slash buy tickets to 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.320 secure your seats today. 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.480 Gino Smith in the pistol behind him as Kenneth Walker 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.200 snapped the Smith He's gonna throw and t. 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:08.120 The top numbers. 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.680 Picked off the thirty on the top of now running 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.960 back under the twenty to ten dump. 0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:14.719 Down out Saban Collins. 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:15.960 Great awareness. 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:21.440 That was a checkdown of the rights and Saban Collins 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:21.880 read it. 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:23.480 He picked it off and then he. 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:27.080 Returned it to give the Cardinals to lead thirteen to ten. 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.040 Saban with a look what I found? 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:36.320 Pick and then shows off bad speed. That is a 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:41.279 big man running taking it all the way back for 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:42.480 a pick six. 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:44.480 Paye hey. 0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.680 There were certain games where passion Wolf called the name 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.520 Zaven Collins a lot. That was a thirty yard pick 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.279 six against Seattle last season. Of course, that's when he 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.359 was calling the defense playing the mike linebacker role. Now 0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.239 he's on the outside at least as of now, I'd 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.160 be the most intriguing player on that side of the ball. 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.360 Dollar for dollar, just okay, how's he gonna fare? Especially 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.200 considering the need on this team for someone to be 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.319 a force off the edge, it is the big Red 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.719 Rage presented by Santane Ford and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford, 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.359 Paul kelvic, Ron, Wolfley and wolf What do you make 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.680 of Xavan Collins working with the outside linebackers? 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.200 Yeah, Paully. First of all, my first thought was the 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.440 fact that he looks more like an edge player than 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.560 he doesn't like linebacker, you know, with all of his 0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.640 height and his length, of course, he looks more like 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.400 an edge player and it's going to be really interesting 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:40.160 to see how he takes to that. I did not 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.680 really know this, but last year, of course, whenever Zavan 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.879 Collins would get out on the edge, he was still 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.160 making all the checks and all the col Do you 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.839 have any idea how difficult that is to do, Paul? 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.360 It is remarkable to hear him say that that he 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.080 would be on the edge and you have to shout 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.680 the adjustments to checks like they'd come out and empty, 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:00.680 and then you'd have to check as a defensive front 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:05.279 and he's like shouting like al right, that's right, I mean, wow, 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.200 in a loud stadium, that's difficult. 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.160 It just shows you the mental acumen that this guy 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:15.239 really has because he was able to actually play Mike linebacker, 0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:18.640 making the adjustments and the calls, not from behind the 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:22.360 line of scrimmage, but from the edge. Very very interesting 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.480 on that. I think his physical skill set is a 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.880 better fit for the edge now I think that. I 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.120 don't know that I think that, but it's really interesting 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:38.160 that Zavian told us that the coaching staff jg of 0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.840 course and Nick Rollis they were the ones who actually 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.080 approached him in regard to saying, hey, listen, we'd like 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.279 to start you off here on the edge where we're 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:49.440 gonna still move you around. It's not like you're never 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.040 gonna play Mike linebacker again, but we'd like to start 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:53.719 you off here on the edge. I thought that was 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.280 really interesting to hear Zavon Collins say it was basically 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.680 their idea, and Zavon was all about I want to win. 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:02.680 Not a surprise there either. 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:04.960 And when you talk about as measurable, so he is 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:08.080 six ' four plus in every bit of two sixty, 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.920 so I mean he is an extra large dude who 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.680 seemingly would be very well suited to the edge. 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:15.720 Holding the point. 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:20.840 We'll see here's Jonathan gall Gannon on Zamon Collins' attitude so. 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:22.480 Far, He's doing a good job. 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.560 But I love about Zavon as that's the type of 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.919 makeup that you want in your players, is coach. I'm 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.000 willing to do anything that you want me to do 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.919 to help the team. And when you have a bunch 0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.400 of guys like that on your team, you have a 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:36.200 good chance to win. 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:37.960 I know that a lot of people like to make 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.719 the comparison to a Hassan Reddick, who's also was once 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.279 upon a time an inside linebacker first round pick by 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.560 the Cardinals, who didn't really flourish until he got to 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.080 the edge. Difference is as Son Reddick had been an 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.680 All American in college at that position. All right, this 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:55.040 is new for Xavi and Collins, But I'm wondering, well, 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.560 do you think this could unlock his athleticism a little 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.320 bit more akin to a Hassan, Yes, I do, Paully. 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.120 I think it's going to be a challenge to him. 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:07.839 Just talking to him the other day, had the opportunity 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.120 to sit down and talk to him. Just talking to him, 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:14.200 you could see his light, his face light up just 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.040 a little bit. You could see the light coming from him. 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:20.319 Paully when he started talking about that and moving out 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:24.759 to the edge and bringing the athleticism to the edge 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.600 a little bit. It's a challenge to him. This is 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.320 something that I think he is going to cultivate. What 0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.919 also is very interesting, Paully, is just the fact that okay, 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.680 with the whole Hassan Reddick and Jag of course and 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.800 Nick Rowlis. Hey, guess what they took Hasan Reddick and 0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.080 made him one of the best edge players in the 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:46.399 National Football League in that defense with Philadelphia. And now 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.440 they come out here and we all thought, what PAULI 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.480 for the most part, it was going to be Isaiah Simmons. 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:54.680 They were going to take Isaiah Simmons and they were 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:56.719 going to stick him out on the edge. That's what 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.000 they were going to do. I never in a million 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.960 years thought, Paul it was going to be Zavan Collins. 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.680 When you talk about the two inside linebackers for the Cardinals, 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.200 Savan Collins as the mic, Isaiah Simmons as the weak 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:13.840 side inside. I would have bet you five thousand dollars 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:17.240 or more, Paul, than it would have been Isaiah Simmons 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.440 on the edge and not Zavan Collins. He got incrementally 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:25.759 better all of last year. They look at him and say, no, 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:31.480 we think you are on the edge. That's very fascinating 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:34.480 to me because they see something in this kid that 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:36.200 other people have not. 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:40.120 My question now is, okay, we know the edge guys right, 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.439 whether it's Zavon or bjo Jalari, the second round rookie 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:45.799 year of my j Sanders, Cam Thomas, the third round 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:48.239 picks last year, it's who's playing on the interior of 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:51.600 that defensive line. You look at this roster right now 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.360 is currently constructed. The guys were in the ninety numbers 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:59.120 in numerical order, Rashard, Lawrence, LJ. Collier, Kevin Strong, Jonathan Ledbetter, 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.960 Carlos Watkin to Eric Banks, and then Cameron Thomas. If 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.319 you're gonna drop him down to a five technique, well, 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:08.000 there's a lot to be decided to determine in that group, 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:08.480 is there not? 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:11.440 Yeah, there really is, Pauli. If you want to make 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:15.120 the Arizona Cardinals team right now and do well be 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.719 a defensive lineman, yeah, that is where you're gonna have 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.160 the opportunity. You are gonna have the opportunity to make 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.640 this team. You're gonna have the opportunity to play in 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:31.520 that rotation. I see it as almost wide open. Rishard Lawrence, 0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.440 I think if he's healthy, he's already proven to me 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:38.440 he can play. He's an NFL defensive tackle, and I 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.880 think hopefully this will be his breakout season, provided he 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.279 can actually stay healthy. But after that, I think it's 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.160 Katie bar the door for anybody who's really hungry and 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.759 wants to play on that defensive line. 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.080 Would cornerback be the number two question for you on 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:58.600 this defense? Yeah, typically you need four going into a season. 0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.839 You have Marco Wilson, Antonia Hamilton, and then I mean 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.200 you have some talent, you have some promise, you have 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:06.440 some highly thought of rookies, but there's a lot to 0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:07.640 be decided there as well. 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.200 Yeah, Paully, it really is a situation where you gotta 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:14.919 have you gotta have three corners that you really really 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.960 feel confident about right now. And you know you mentioned 0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:23.000 the typical names Marco Wilson of course, and Antonio Hamilton. 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:28.600 You got Rashad Fenton as well. Listen, I think it's 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:33.200 gonna be wide open, wide open, And I don't think 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:37.800 we're done yet. That's just me. I wouldn't be surprised 0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:41.920 to see some signings late going into training camp that 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:43.120 are better in corners. 0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.960 Yeap veteran corner, a veteran defensive lineman or two. Perhaps 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.000 maybe a veteran tight end or two. I mean, when 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.359 Trey McBride's telling you today that they're gonna run twelve 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.680 and thirteen personnel, Yeah, are they going to bolster that room? 0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:59.279 So we'll see and then center, of course, center might 0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.640 be atop the power when it comes to veteran needs. 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.879 At this point we'll see a reminder once again. 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