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Speaker 5: It just keeps getting better for Ron Wolfley going into
Speaker 5: the holiday weekend. I mean, it's already been a good
Speaker 5: day for you, Wolf.
Speaker 1: Yes, it has.
Speaker 5: When you've heard the words and I quote under center
Speaker 5: and power scheme part of your interview earlier with Will Hernandez,
Speaker 5: who really is your kindred spirit? As a three hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty pound you know, just mauling guard in there.
Speaker 5: And then when Will Hernandez adds as part of your
Speaker 5: Q and A that he says, quote, I like the
Speaker 5: mentality of the new coaching staff, and I like how
Speaker 5: things are trending.
Speaker 8: Quote end quote.
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Speaker 5: tonight Cardinals wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator Drew Terrell,
Speaker 5: Paul Calvic, Ron Wolfley, and yes, Will Hernandez set a
Speaker 5: tone today? Did he not Wolf?
Speaker 1: He definitely did. Paul. He came walking in to the studio.
Speaker 1: Of course, had three hundred and fifty pounds. He is
Speaker 1: a big, big dude. He's a very physical player, as
Speaker 1: you well know, Paully. I would tell anybody go back
Speaker 1: and look at the tape from last year. I think
Speaker 1: before he got hurt, he was the best most consistent
Speaker 1: offensive lineman the Arizona Cardinals had. Just love Will Hernandez
Speaker 1: the right guard. I think that's where he's going to
Speaker 1: be on this offensive line going forward. And yeah, he
Speaker 1: said everything we expect about the mentality of this team
Speaker 1: and the schemes that they're going to run a little
Speaker 1: bit more. It's going to be very physical.
Speaker 5: He was your guy the moment he picked a fight
Speaker 5: with JJ Watt in training camp. Let's be honest, Wolf,
Speaker 5: he really was.
Speaker 1: Just honestly, do you know how much circumference that it
Speaker 1: takes to actually pick a fight with a guy who's
Speaker 1: going to be all of JJ Watt?
Speaker 9: That was huge?
Speaker 1: Told me a lot about Will.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it did.
Speaker 5: And we're gonna hear from Will, Hernandez and Dj Humphries
Speaker 5: a little bit later in this edition of The Big
Speaker 5: Redge presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert But batting leadoff
Speaker 5: would be your head coach Jonathan Gannon. And guess what
Speaker 5: Cardinals were on the field, both the veterans and the
Speaker 5: rookies for the first time together this week. And here's
Speaker 5: the new head coach and what they got from their
Speaker 5: very first ODA session.
Speaker 10: Technique and fundamentals and finally some decisions and actions. So
Speaker 10: get to line up against each other and play some football.
Speaker 10: So good to compete a little bit and get on
Speaker 10: the grass. Go offense, first defense, special teams.
Speaker 8: But I liked how we worked there.
Speaker 5: You go on the OTA Jonathan Gannon talking about this, So, Wolf,
Speaker 5: I mean, you tell me in this day and age,
Speaker 5: where you know. My favorite example of the voluntary and
Speaker 5: voluntary OTA comes from Titans and Nashville where the head
Speaker 5: coach Mike Vrabel ran into his all pro safety Kevin
Speaker 5: Byerd on Sunday at the golf course at the golf
Speaker 5: club and then didn't see him during the OTAs during
Speaker 5: the week, but he ran into him on the golf course.
Speaker 5: That was my favorite anecdote of the week. So it's
Speaker 5: far from mandatory. We know that it's in the name,
Speaker 5: it's voluntary. But for the most part, everybody was in
Speaker 5: attendance this week, and I would expect as much when
Speaker 5: you have a brand new coaching staff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was interesting, Bully, because back when I was
Speaker 1: playing in the National Football League, they still did They
Speaker 1: had the quarterback schools. They would call them. They would
Speaker 1: call them voluntary quarterback schools, and yet everyone knew that
Speaker 1: it was not voluntary. It was like, we're going to
Speaker 1: have this quarterback class. We're going to have this little
Speaker 1: two week period right here, and man, would we love
Speaker 1: for you to be there. And if you're not going
Speaker 1: to be there, it's going to tell us a little
Speaker 1: something something about you. It was I would say ninety
Speaker 1: seven ninety eight percent. The only way you didn't show
Speaker 1: up for a quarterback school is if you were trying
Speaker 1: to hold out and get a new contract. That's the
Speaker 1: only time you weren't going to show up. So whenever
Speaker 1: there's a new coaching staff, it really behooves the veteran.
Speaker 1: I would say, this is just me to show up
Speaker 1: and actually participate. And we you've seen that happen from
Speaker 1: time to time this offseason already. And yet at the
Speaker 1: same time, they have their fair share of guys that
Speaker 1: who did not show up.
Speaker 5: Look, you played a decade in the league.
Speaker 8: You went to Pro Bowls.
Speaker 5: Kyle Vannenbosch on the Red Sea Report another guy who
Speaker 5: played a decade in the league went.
Speaker 8: To Pro Bowls.
Speaker 5: And here was Kvb's take on just the importance of OTAs.
Speaker 6: You've got to have reps. You've got to practice them.
Speaker 6: You can't just draw stuff up on a board.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: The great thing again about football is eleven guys have
Speaker 6: to do their jobs, and in order to do that,
Speaker 6: you have to rep it over and over and over
Speaker 6: until it's impossible to make a mistake. Not rep it
Speaker 6: until they get it right, rep it until you don't
Speaker 6: get it wrong. And starting to get those reps on
Speaker 6: the field on the grass right now, it's going to
Speaker 6: pay off in the fall.
Speaker 5: I love that line. Don't rep until you get it right,
Speaker 5: rep until you're not going to get it wrong. It's
Speaker 5: impossible to get it wrong. And when you have a
Speaker 5: brand new scheme on both sides of the ball, with
Speaker 5: brand new coordinators in a brand new head coach, I mean, well,
Speaker 5: if we know how impair of it is you're not
Speaker 5: playing fast in the NFL. You can have all the
Speaker 5: measurables and all the talent, the athleticism in the world,
Speaker 5: but if you're not thinking fast, you're not playing fast.
Speaker 5: And that to me is why this is so vital,
Speaker 5: because it has to become second nature.
Speaker 1: No doubt about it, BALI. It really does right now.
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of changes, as we all know,
Speaker 1: terminology changes, schemes, they will change. When are OTAs meaningful
Speaker 1: to a veteran, I would say there are three primary
Speaker 1: areas where it's really meaningful to a veteran to show
Speaker 1: up to OTAs voluntary, though they be number one is
Speaker 1: when there's a new coaching staff with new schemes. That
Speaker 1: makes sense, right BALI, Yep, a new staff and a
Speaker 1: brand new paradigm, you're gonna have a brand new culture. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it really behooves the veteran to show up
Speaker 1: when there are are new schemes to absorb. Number two,
Speaker 1: when the veteran is new to the team period. Here
Speaker 1: you know you are an unrestricted free agent, they brought
Speaker 1: you in, whatever it may be. If you're new to
Speaker 1: the team, you want to show up because of the
Speaker 1: new schemes of course, and the new teammates. You want
Speaker 1: to start building that relationship with your teammates. And then
Speaker 1: I would say number three, when the veteran is coming
Speaker 1: off an injury. I think those three things, primarily, Paul,
Speaker 1: those are when its most beneficial. I would say to
Speaker 1: a veteran to show up and actually participate in these OTAs.
Speaker 1: For me, a guy that was always on the bubble,
Speaker 1: this was not voluntary. This was show up and make
Speaker 1: sure you're there. Into any guy that is out there
Speaker 1: that is forty eight, forty nine on the roster or
Speaker 1: further back, you're going to show up to these voluntary workouts.
Speaker 5: And from the outside looking in, can I add number
Speaker 5: four and that is when there's a new GM in
Speaker 5: the house, when makes it worse a new decision maker
Speaker 5: watching all of these sessions right with his assistant GM,
Speaker 5: Dave Sears alongside Manti ausin for it, and you don't
Speaker 5: quite know exactly what they're thinking and whether they think
Speaker 5: they might have a need at your position between now
Speaker 5: and training camp and whether, yes, you're even gonna get
Speaker 5: out of training camp. So yes, I would say it's
Speaker 5: most definitely in your best interest unless you're an all
Speaker 5: pro player and you feel like you have all the
Speaker 5: security in the world. So and it's all and look,
Speaker 5: as a new staff, you're going to get that extra
Speaker 5: week as well, because it is imperative you are behind
Speaker 5: the eight ball as a new coaching staff to get
Speaker 5: your system installed. And it is a process. And Jonathan
Speaker 5: Gannon was asked about that.
Speaker 8: Pretty close to being done.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we give them a lot and there's a natural
Speaker 10: teaching progression to all that, and we'd like to hit
Speaker 10: it two, three, four times before we got to line
Speaker 10: up and play week one. I'm excited that we do
Speaker 10: have a lot in and we just got to coach
Speaker 10: up to details.
Speaker 5: Here's my one inkling too, by the way, just reading
Speaker 5: between the lines, Wolf, You know, we do interviews, we
Speaker 5: talked to coaches, et cetera. I have this sense, this
Speaker 5: vibe they're going to simplify things this year on both
Speaker 5: sides of the ball that I think ideally they take
Speaker 5: maybe a little bit off the plate of a Kyler
Speaker 5: Murray and maybe try and simplify the process of his
Speaker 5: decision making a Kaiser White if he indeed is going
Speaker 5: to be the guy in that speculation calling the defense.
Speaker 5: Guess what, He's been in this defense for a number
Speaker 5: of years in Philadelphia, and he's with Jonathan Gannon before that.
Speaker 5: So I think you're going to for example, is Zavi
Speaker 5: and Collins on the outside, right, I think he's going
Speaker 5: to be thinking less and playing more. And I think
Speaker 5: that's more akin to being the norm this year than
Speaker 5: the exception.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you, Pauli, and that is
Speaker 1: hitting the reset button basically on offense and defense and
Speaker 1: in transition with special teams as well. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're going to bring it down to the bare boned
Speaker 1: fundamentals how they want things done. That's part of building culture. Again.
Speaker 1: You can't make any assumptions if you're JAG and the
Speaker 1: coaching staff and Monty assen Fort and you're trying to
Speaker 1: change the culture of this team going forward, Polly, you
Speaker 1: gotta tear it all down. You gotta strip it all down,
Speaker 1: and that means right down to the technique and fundamental
Speaker 1: level of those techniques. And that's exactly what JJ was
Speaker 1: talking about. You gotta tear it down then and then
Speaker 1: build it back up and not take anything for granted.
Speaker 1: Don't assume that a guy has been taught anything technique
Speaker 1: and fundamentals, and this is the time of year you
Speaker 1: teach that.
Speaker 5: By the way, some of the takeaways from OTA's Isaiah
Speaker 5: Simmons running with the dbs the safeties in particular, Zavin
Speaker 5: Collins was with the outside linebackers this week during the
Speaker 5: open media session. I know Will Hernandez talking about playing
Speaker 5: next to Paris Johnson Junior, so it seems like he's
Speaker 5: getting reps at right tackle John Gains among those snapping
Speaker 5: the ball. So look, there are some questions, and there
Speaker 5: are some players who might be in different spots than
Speaker 5: we're accustomed to, but I would say there are still
Speaker 5: a number a number of open spots that this new
Speaker 5: GM is looking at Wolfen trying to decide between now
Speaker 5: and mandatory mini camp. Okay, do I need to make
Speaker 5: a move before training camp? Is that plausible?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paully, is it plausible? Yes? I do believe a
Speaker 1: move is plausible before training camp right now. But once again,
Speaker 1: I just love the fact you bringing up Will Hernandez
Speaker 1: was talking to me today about, Hey, when do you
Speaker 1: see a general manager go out and actually draft an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the first round, a guy that believes
Speaker 1: in the physicality of the game. And I love that
Speaker 1: because this is culture.
Speaker 5: Building from the inside out, just like we predicted going
Speaker 5: into the draft. All Right, Will Hernandez, we'll hear from
Speaker 5: him a little bit later. Up next, how of the
Speaker 5: Cardinals assistant coach he played for and coach with, Jim Harbaugh,
Speaker 5: just coached for Ron Revere. He's just part of the
Speaker 5: NFL Coach Accelerator program, Drew Terrell. He's up next in
Speaker 5: the big red rage resented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 4: Hurry in an empty set in Shotgun, takes a snap,
Speaker 4: three step drop, looks over the middle, throws and it's
Speaker 4: bought by Brown first down.
Speaker 5: Makes a man mess in the fifteenth.
Speaker 3: Cut right to the ten, Pap Brown is into the
Speaker 3: UPTI for a touchdown. Hollywood Brown ben spectacular, gorgeous run
Speaker 3: after the catch.
Speaker 1: What an incredible play by Hollywood Brown. Do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about the red carpet? Hollywood Brown, just walk
Speaker 1: down the red carpet here at State barf stated.
Speaker 5: Hey, passion wolf n't kidding right there? That was a
Speaker 5: season long twenty five yard touchdown catch and run. Hollywood
Speaker 5: Brown against the Eagles early in the season. Fact led
Speaker 5: the Cardinals in that game eight grabs, seventy eight yards
Speaker 5: receiving and if you remember, as of that game, he
Speaker 5: was fifth in the league in receptions and seventh in
Speaker 5: receiving yards. It was the next week at Seattle where
Speaker 5: he suffered the foot injury going tog treik Wollen, and
Speaker 5: then he missed four or five games after that, and
Speaker 5: his season wasn't quite the same. And I just provide
Speaker 5: that as a reminder of the potential of Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 5: Of course, I don't need to remind his new position
Speaker 5: coach who joins us now, as we say, welcome in.
Speaker 5: Drew Terrell is our guest here on the Big Red
Speaker 5: Race presented by santan Ford and Gilbert Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Welcome home, Drew Mason Native, right.
Speaker 8: No doubt.
Speaker 9: Well born in Masa, but really really at Chandler Native.
Speaker 9: I probably spent the most time in Chandler.
Speaker 5: And Chandler Hamilton. And what's it been like coming home,
Speaker 5: because you know, I mean, there's a lot of positives,
Speaker 5: but then I'm guessing you also are going to have
Speaker 5: to set some expectations when it comes to ticker requests
Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, that's probably the biggest negative is probably that
Speaker 9: the ticker requests people want to come to State Farm
Speaker 9: Stadium to see the games.
Speaker 8: But it's all been extremely positive.
Speaker 9: I Mean when I figured I had this opportunity to
Speaker 9: come back home, I didn't even didn't want to tell anybody.
Speaker 8: He didn't want to say anything to Jinks.
Speaker 9: Didn't want to put myself in a situation where it
Speaker 9: couldn't happen, because you know, when when you're coaching, you
Speaker 9: always have this vision.
Speaker 8: You know, you want to get back as close to
Speaker 8: home as possible.
Speaker 9: But I never thought I would have the opportunity to
Speaker 9: come home and represent the Cardinals and you know, drive
Speaker 9: the same streets I grew up driving and you know,
Speaker 9: live in a similar area to where I grew up
Speaker 9: in and it's been an outstanding, you know, transition.
Speaker 8: It's been awesome.
Speaker 5: I mean, you see all the players families react on
Speaker 5: draft day, right, we just went through that. I'm sure
Speaker 5: your family and friends must have reacted when you got
Speaker 5: to make that phone call.
Speaker 8: Right, Oh, no doubt.
Speaker 9: I mean it was I remember when I got the
Speaker 9: when I got the call from MANI, and you know,
Speaker 9: I was in my kitchen in Virginia and my wife
Speaker 9: and I just looked at each other and I said,
Speaker 9: you know, we're going We're going back, and you know,
Speaker 9: I teared up and she started crying. And then I
Speaker 9: called my mom and she was crying, and it was like, yeah,
Speaker 9: it was like I got drafted to go back home.
Speaker 8: It was it was insane. It was awesome, excited to
Speaker 8: be here.
Speaker 5: Drew Trell is our guest right last three years with
Speaker 5: the Commanders. So what do you think when week one
Speaker 5: as the Cardinals at Washington.
Speaker 8: Couldn't have written a better script?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 8: Week one, go back to where you've been.
Speaker 9: For three years, where you know, we had our daughter,
Speaker 9: where you know, my wife and I were married during
Speaker 9: our time there, so you know, obviously a lot of
Speaker 9: near and dear memories for our family there.
Speaker 8: But couldn't write it any better. Of course, we're going there.
Speaker 8: We're going exactly.
Speaker 5: And you know what I'm trying to tell people, if
Speaker 5: there's a new ownership group in place, that stadium is
Speaker 5: gonna be hopping. I mean, I'm guessing there's gonna be
Speaker 5: a big time by But let's rewind past that. You
Speaker 5: spent what four or five years as a grad assistant,
Speaker 5: did you not? I mean you're thirty one years old, right,
Speaker 5: I just cleared stuff out of my garage this past weekend.
Speaker 5: That's older than you drew. Okay, but you put in
Speaker 5: your time on some of the lower runs of coaching.
Speaker 5: You really invested it and grinded early in your career,
Speaker 5: didn't you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I got into coaching when I was twenty
Speaker 9: two years old, so I was I was young when
Speaker 9: I got in.
Speaker 8: It during my first year at Virginia Tech.
Speaker 9: And yeah, I spent four years as a graduate assistant,
Speaker 9: spent two years as a quality control in the NFL,
Speaker 9: and then the next year I was the assistant receiver coach,
Speaker 9: and then after that first year in Washington, they promoted me.
Speaker 8: So you know, it's been a steady climb.
Speaker 9: You know, had to work my way up, been around
Speaker 9: a ton of great coaches, people that you know, really
Speaker 9: went out of their way to pour into me and
Speaker 9: give me the knowledge that they had to help me
Speaker 9: elevate and be prepared for my next opportunities.
Speaker 5: And we're going to get into the Cardinals receiver room
Speaker 5: and this offense, especially as the passing game coordinator. But
Speaker 5: as long as we're talking about your career, your fresh
Speaker 5: off a trip to Minneapolis, the Spring League meetings and
Speaker 5: the NFL Coach Accelerator program that they talk about giving
Speaker 5: a chance to network. There were as the NFL Network
Speaker 5: described it, I was watching some of it this week.
Speaker 5: They described it as forty diverse coaching candidates with a
Speaker 5: chance to network with ownership and club executives. Just give
Speaker 5: us a quick thumbnail. What was it all about.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was a chance, you know, for the lead
Speaker 9: to get some few young coaches, few older coaches, primarily
Speaker 9: minority candidates. Give them a chance to you know, get
Speaker 9: around ownership and executives. Like you say, you know, give
Speaker 9: you the opportunity to kind of show your personality, show
Speaker 9: what you're about, you know, to these owners, mostly in
Speaker 9: an informal setting to where you know, the conversations are
Speaker 9: comfortable conversations. And also one of the really good things
Speaker 9: about it was, I'm getting around. Gave me the opportunity
Speaker 9: to get around coaches, minority coaches who have been very
Speaker 9: successful in this league, coaches like Leslie Frasier and Tarah
Speaker 9: Austin and and people that have been in this league
Speaker 9: a long time. And then a lot of great things,
Speaker 9: you know, especially you know, being minorities, and I was,
Speaker 9: you know, almost more in all of that. You know,
Speaker 9: sitting in the room with those people, people that you
Speaker 9: look up to in the profession that have really done
Speaker 9: it for a long time, and with the longevity that
Speaker 9: they've had, I think it's something that you know, I
Speaker 9: aspire to. So that part, you know, was just as
Speaker 9: awesome as you know, the conversations with ownership.
Speaker 5: Hey must have been an honor just to be selected.
Speaker 5: I mean, they identified forty future candidates they think of
Speaker 5: as coordinators and future head coaches in the league. So
Speaker 5: right there, I'm sure that's an honor. And then you
Speaker 5: come back and you get right into it in the
Speaker 5: same day, you're flying in. You're right back out there
Speaker 5: and you're grinding, and you're working with Drew Petsen, And
Speaker 5: so what do you make of this offense? Because I
Speaker 5: tell you everyone we talked to they talk about how
Speaker 5: there's gonna be a renewed emphasis on the run and
Speaker 5: this will be a very balanced attack.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's been awesome. Drew's doing a tremendous job.
Speaker 9: You can tell he's, you know, ultra prepared for this opportunity.
Speaker 9: He's extremely detailed. He's got a clear vision of what
Speaker 9: he wants and what he wants it to look like
Speaker 9: and the way he wants us to train and coach
Speaker 9: the players. You know, it's it's going to be exciting
Speaker 9: to watch how this offense, you know, evolves and develops
Speaker 9: in suits and fits and molds to our personnel. I think,
Speaker 9: you know, at the core of it, you know, we
Speaker 9: want to serve the players and capitalize on their strengths.
Speaker 9: And that's what this offense is really geared towards.
Speaker 5: And look, we can talk about the run game, but
Speaker 5: you're the passing game coordinator, Drew Drell our guest here,
Speaker 5: and look, the the honest reality is, if you look
Speaker 5: at the downfield passing attack. Last year, there wasn't a
Speaker 5: lot to speak of. I mean, most of the metrics
Speaker 5: will show that card right near the bottom of the league.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you've seen a lot of that on film.
Speaker 5: So what are you stressing right now? What's most important
Speaker 5: and what are your objectives, especially as you're ready for
Speaker 5: mandatory mini camp and then eventually training camp.
Speaker 9: You know, I think the objectives for us right here
Speaker 9: in OTAs is really trying to fine tune fundamentals and
Speaker 9: kind of determine what type of offense we're going to
Speaker 9: be given the guys we have, you know, really assess
Speaker 9: their skill sets and get a feel for, you know,
Speaker 9: things they excel at, things that are going to give
Speaker 9: our quarterbacks the best chance to be successful. So really
Speaker 9: it's about you know, identifying those things being really really
Speaker 9: detailed on fundamental football because this time of year, you know,
Speaker 9: things are slowed down, a lot of teaching goes into it,
Speaker 9: and of course you know we're trying to implement a
Speaker 9: new system. But I think all those things are geared
Speaker 9: towards serving the guys that we have and maximizing their
Speaker 9: strengths as best as we can.
Speaker 5: Look We're familiar with Hollywood Brown. We just heard the highlight,
Speaker 5: you know, Rondell Moore. It's ginn to some of the
Speaker 5: new guys in this strowster, starting with you, round three rookie,
Speaker 5: Michael Wilson, Stanford guy. And you played at Stanford. To
Speaker 5: what degree were you pounding the table on draft day?
Speaker 5: I mean was he on your radar? And how much
Speaker 5: input did you give money when it came to that selection.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so Mike.
Speaker 9: I knew about Mike of course, you know, being at Stanford,
Speaker 9: and then he he wore my number.
Speaker 5: He wore it a lot better than I did, by
Speaker 5: the way, Hey, that's coming from a guy he won
Speaker 5: a Rose Ball. So I mean, come on, you were
Speaker 5: Stanford's leading receiver your final.
Speaker 8: Year, right, Yeah?
Speaker 5: And he played with Zach Ertz and I saw where
Speaker 5: your first touchdown catch was from Andrew Locke. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: so you can name drop a little.
Speaker 9: Yeah, make sure he tells Zach all of the team's
Speaker 9: leading receiver, right, That's right. But but yeah, so I
Speaker 9: knew about Mike early in the process, but I hadn't
Speaker 9: really had a chance to really dive into his tape
Speaker 9: and evaluate him until that process came. This offseason, and
Speaker 9: when you dig into the tape, what you find is,
Speaker 9: you know, a kid that's extremely detailed. You know, he's
Speaker 9: got right athleticism, a great skill set, got good size,
Speaker 9: moves really well for his size. But he was making
Speaker 9: plays on tape to translate to this game. His play
Speaker 9: speed was outstanding. He was attacking the football away from
Speaker 9: his body. So that's the biggest thing when you're watching guys,
Speaker 9: college guys on tape is how does their skill set
Speaker 9: translate to this level and what we do? And you know,
Speaker 9: Mike was checking boxes and then you go back and
Speaker 9: you watch the Senior Bowl. You know what he was
Speaker 9: able to do in truly competitive one on one situations
Speaker 9: is you know, he was one of the top guys there,
Speaker 9: and that tape showed up and you know, as we
Speaker 9: got further along in the process, I had an opportunity
Speaker 9: to speak with him a couple of times and he
Speaker 9: would continued to check boxes. You know, he was smart,
Speaker 9: he's engaging, he was locked in. You know all the
Speaker 9: reports you got from Stanford where that he was a
Speaker 9: tough kid, do whatever it took for the team, and
Speaker 9: exactly the type of guy we're looking for. He just
Speaker 9: happened to go to Stanford. Yeah, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5: He was two minutes into his first press commerce of
Speaker 5: the media, I'm like, oh my goodness, he's a top
Speaker 5: five interview on this team already. I mean, if he's
Speaker 5: gonna make plays the same advanced level he meets, it's
Speaker 5: the media. And then the Cardinals found something. In fact,
Speaker 5: here's one of the comments he made to the media.
Speaker 7: Whatever I get is what I'm going to earn. And
Speaker 7: so if that's being a starting receiver, that's great. If
Speaker 7: that's being a special teams guy, that's also great. If
Speaker 7: that's being a backup receiver plus special team gun or roll,
Speaker 7: whatever role that I carve out for myself, it's going
Speaker 7: to be completely dependent on what I do on the
Speaker 7: practice field, how I carry myself in the media room.
Speaker 5: And he just looks the part. I mean, he's six
Speaker 5: to two, he moves, so we'll see. I mean, obviously
Speaker 5: it was rookie camp and some ota so far. How
Speaker 5: about Zach Pascal though, another newcomer. Give us your first
Speaker 5: impressions on a guy who's got the size obviously as
Speaker 5: the physicality. He kind of got buried on that talented
Speaker 5: Eagles team. Didn't need a lot of targets, but he
Speaker 5: had a couple of really successful and productive years with
Speaker 5: the Colts before that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've got a ton of respect for ZP. You know,
Speaker 9: he's done in his league, He's been productive in his league.
Speaker 9: He's the consummate professional. He shows up every day. You're
Speaker 9: getting the same guy. You're getting positive energy, You're getting
Speaker 9: a guy that works and he's detailed about his job. Typically,
Speaker 9: you know, when guys have success in the NFL for
Speaker 9: you know, an extended period of time, they have the
Speaker 9: little things figured out. They know how to take care
Speaker 9: of their body, they know how to conduct themselves in
Speaker 9: the meeting room. They know how to practice, which is
Speaker 9: is something that takes guys a little bit to learn
Speaker 9: and understand the importance of deliberate practice. And ZP is
Speaker 9: a guy that's you know, he's been outstanding. He's been
Speaker 9: really good for our room. We've got some young guys
Speaker 9: in the room and he's a great example of you know, perseverance.
Speaker 9: He was an undrafted guy, a guy to start off
Speaker 9: on a practice squad, you know, became the Colts leading receiver.
Speaker 9: Like you said, he was in Philly where they had
Speaker 9: a you know, a pretty high profile room, but he's
Speaker 9: a reliable guy.
Speaker 8: Talked to the coaches there.
Speaker 9: And I mean, they love ZP and it was tough
Speaker 9: for them to lose them, but you know, their loss
Speaker 9: is our game.
Speaker 8: So I'm you know, I'm a ton of respect for ZP.
Speaker 5: Glad we have and hey, DeAndre Hopkins still an unknown.
Speaker 5: So now you look at guys like Hollywood Brown and
Speaker 5: Rondel Moore and Greg Dortch, and all those guys are burners.
Speaker 5: I mean, those guys can all move. What have you
Speaker 5: seen out of them? And how do you how do
Speaker 5: you see them fitting into a droop pets and passing attack.
Speaker 5: Is there a certain style that fans can expect this year?
Speaker 8: Perhaps?
Speaker 9: You know, I think we're still in those introductory phases of,
Speaker 9: like I said, identifying what those guys do. Well, you know,
Speaker 9: one thing that you can be sure of is that
Speaker 9: we're going to try to maximize those guys' skill sets.
Speaker 9: And you know what I've seen so far, those guys
Speaker 9: have been outstanding. They've been locked in. You know, they're
Speaker 9: working their tail off, they're trying as best they can
Speaker 9: to grasp and learn, and they're asking the right questions
Speaker 9: and something that I've been preaching is being extremely deliberate
Speaker 9: with their thought process and the way they go about practice.
Speaker 9: And those guys have have been outstanding in that regard,
Speaker 9: and you know, I'm eager and excited to watch them
Speaker 9: learn and grow and get more and more comfortable in
Speaker 9: this offense. Because more comfortable they get, you know, the
Speaker 9: more plays they're going to make. And they've done a
Speaker 9: great job.
Speaker 5: The fact that there's the uncertainty a quarterback with Kylo's injury,
Speaker 5: how does that impact the receiver or does it? What
Speaker 5: are you telling the guys, because there's it's going to
Speaker 5: be a number of different you know, qbs thrown to
Speaker 5: them over the next few months.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it has no impact on our process or our preparation.
Speaker 9: I could be playing quarterback out there. I expect them
Speaker 9: to be running their routes the exact same way, same
Speaker 9: splits on the right footwork at the depth. You know,
Speaker 9: whatever that is, they cannot you cannot let that be
Speaker 9: involved in your thought process because it's something that you
Speaker 9: can't control.
Speaker 8: You have no control over it.
Speaker 9: You've got to focus on what our job is, what
Speaker 9: our task is, and make the job easy on whoever
Speaker 9: the quarterback is our.
Speaker 5: Guest, Drew Terrell, Cardinals wide receivers coach. Last question, Jonathan Gannon,
Speaker 5: do you believe the team takes on the personality of
Speaker 5: its head coach?
Speaker 8: I do.
Speaker 5: What does that mean for this team?
Speaker 9: It means this team could take off like a rocket.
Speaker 9: I mean, that guy's got tremendous, legitimate energy. It's not
Speaker 9: phony energy, it's not fake energy. JG's got a legitimate
Speaker 9: excitement and a passion for this game and for serving players.
Speaker 5: So and you think that's infectious, I believe wholeheartedly that's infectious.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, a lot of these coaches have
Speaker 5: a really good track record, including yourself, including that rolls
Speaker 5: ball win you had for Stanford. I tell you, next
Speaker 5: time you're on you got to tell some Jim Harbaugh stories,
Speaker 5: because I know you got some. If we're playing for
Speaker 5: him and coaching with him, I know you got some
Speaker 5: some beauties.
Speaker 8: What a time we get. We'll save that for later.
Speaker 5: Drew Corell, our guest, as we continue with a big
Speaker 5: red rage wasented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are
Speaker 5: santan Ford.
Speaker 11: We got a good group of guys that's just like
Speaker 11: great dudes that want to play football, so it's easy
Speaker 11: to mingle with the group. Is easy to interject young
Speaker 11: office and linemen into the room, and it'd be fun.
Speaker 12: Oh man, me and Parris are already clicking. Man, such
Speaker 12: a cool guy, very smart. We even have our own
Speaker 12: handshake going on. Already there you go, and already, well,
Speaker 12: I'll give you guys a clue. It's we wouldn't call
Speaker 12: it a handshake. We would call it more of a
Speaker 12: belly shake.
Speaker 5: Well, well, Hernandez has my attention on that one. Not
Speaker 5: exactly sure what that might be all about, but from
Speaker 5: the sideline this year, I'll be sure to keep half
Speaker 5: an eye on those two breaking the huddle, because apparently
Speaker 5: they got something in store. It is a big red
Speaker 5: rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert's special thanks to
Speaker 5: Cardinals receivers coach passing game coordinator Drew Terrell. The former
Speaker 5: channeler Hamilton Star went to Stanford. I love the line
Speaker 5: about remind zach Ertz that he was the leading receiver
Speaker 5: for that Stanford team his senior year. So we're gonna
Speaker 5: have to do that with zach Ertz a little bit later. Well,
Speaker 5: I mean the personalities and you brought it up in
Speaker 5: your interview with Will Hernandez earlier today a ninety eight
Speaker 5: seven FM Arizona Sports The Wolf and Luke Show. I
Speaker 5: mean the personality that offensive line room are almost as
Speaker 5: big as the individuals themselves, right, they need like their
Speaker 5: own podcast. I mean that would be that would be
Speaker 5: good stuff to get those guys on Mike interacting for real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was super super funny, right there,
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez. Especially, here's a guy three hundred and fifty pounds. Now,
Speaker 1: he says Paul, he wants to get down to three
Speaker 1: thirty five. Okay, he will be down to three thirty
Speaker 1: five when he comes into training camp, but right now
Speaker 1: he's three fifty And you know, honestly, will you look
Speaker 1: every bit of that?
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, well, well think about it. D
Speaker 5: J Jumpers. We asked him about the schedule release, right,
Speaker 5: and and he what was this joke?
Speaker 8: Half joke? Half for real?
Speaker 5: Did we offend anyone in the league office? Because look
Speaker 5: at some of the defensive lines that go against to
Speaker 5: start the year the Washington Commanders, are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: With Deron Payne and Jonathan Allen and Montes Sweat and
Speaker 5: Chase Young and then you get Dexter Lawrence. I think
Speaker 5: about Dexter Lawrence. I mean, Will Hernandz might have to
Speaker 5: be three point fifty to go against the Giants and
Speaker 5: Dexter Lawrence. They're all pro nose tackle. And then you
Speaker 5: get that Cowboys front of Michah Parsons. And then in
Speaker 5: week four, hello, there's Nick Bosa and Javon Hargrave. Hargrave
Speaker 5: on the interior. So I mean, maybe it's by design
Speaker 5: Will Hernandez wayne into three p fifty because guess what,
Speaker 5: they're going to be tested in the first month of
Speaker 5: the season.
Speaker 1: No, they are going to be tested bully. He did
Speaker 1: say though that no, he's it's not by it. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be three to fifty. Okay, he says
Speaker 1: he wants to be three thirty five. But you know,
Speaker 1: and you know me, I'm like, hey, Will, if you
Speaker 1: want to stay at three fifty, that's great, because oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, are we running power? Are we doing that?
Speaker 1: Are we going to line up and actually blow somebody's
Speaker 1: face off and run the ball downhill? And can I
Speaker 1: just tell you that Will Hernandez was talking about that
Speaker 1: very thing. PAULI really impressed with the physicality of Manti
Speaker 1: assen Ford and JG and their culture.
Speaker 5: Hey, Will Hernandez might want to check and see if
Speaker 5: Jonathan Gannon runs a fitness test on the first day
Speaker 5: of camp. I'm just saying, you know, before he decides
Speaker 5: what he's going to weigh in exactly in the whole cardio. Look,
Speaker 5: here's DJ Humphries from The Wolf and Luke Show this
Speaker 5: week on his very first meeting with a new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 5: Drew Petsing.
Speaker 11: Me and Drew became friends the first day we met
Speaker 11: because the first thing he said to me was, I'm
Speaker 11: gonna tell you now, we're gonna run the ball a
Speaker 11: lot more than you did before. I said, Man, you
Speaker 11: don't have to tell me anything else, brouh. I'm not
Speaker 11: the guy that you need to like tell the offense to.
Speaker 11: I'm not that gab bro. I'm gonna go out there
Speaker 11: and and block the inn. Let you guys play ten
Speaker 11: versus ten. I really appreciate you telling me that we're
Speaker 11: just gonna run about more everything else, Coach, don't even
Speaker 11: waste your breath, bro.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of players talking about what's coming in
Speaker 5: terms of not only more run game, but the style
Speaker 5: of run game. We also talked to running back Corey
Speaker 5: Clement this week and he affirmed pretty much everything DJ
Speaker 5: Humphreys was saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. Paulin and Corey Clement at five ten,
Speaker 1: two twenty five. I might add, go ahead and try
Speaker 1: to tackle that. That hurts you, That physically hurts you.
Speaker 1: To try to tackle that. I'm so excited. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I'm so excited is because I really do
Speaker 1: believe that the game of football and all of its
Speaker 1: glory on the line of scrimmage offensively and defensively, is
Speaker 1: going to come back to the State of Arizona via
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. I think they're gonna line up Paul
Speaker 1: just talking to Will today and DJ. Of course, they're
Speaker 1: gonna line up under center a lot more. They're gonna
Speaker 1: run twelve in thirteen personnel out on the field. That's
Speaker 1: one back, two tight ends, one back, three tight ends.
Speaker 1: They're gonna attack down hill. They're gonna run downhill and
Speaker 1: attack it and use play action. You know how much
Speaker 1: to what degree, I don't know, but I'm really excited
Speaker 1: about it because I do believe that's the area this
Speaker 1: offense needs to evolve.
Speaker 5: And here's Will Hernandez from your interview earlier today, and
Speaker 5: just what a successful run game can do for you.
Speaker 12: When you're very consistent and you're able to execute, and
Speaker 12: you're able to run the ball so much you don't
Speaker 12: play actions, all those start being so much more effective.
Speaker 12: Beautiful guys down the field of wide ass open, and
Speaker 12: you know, it's just it makes a lot of things
Speaker 12: easier for everybody else around the ball.
Speaker 5: And then you went into out they're going to run
Speaker 5: the power. Okay, so we'll give us a quick recap
Speaker 5: on that, because you know, I was just listening, but
Speaker 5: it sounded like you were out of your seat at
Speaker 5: that point.
Speaker 1: No, I was, and it was because once again, are
Speaker 1: you actually gonna get into a power personnel group who
Speaker 1: like twelve personnel and you're gonna go ahead and line
Speaker 1: the tight end up twelve or thirteen, two tight ends
Speaker 1: or three tight ends. You're gonna line it up, and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna collapse the right side. Everyone's going to blockdown.
Speaker 1: We're gonna kick the n man out on the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage of backside guard. It's gonna pull around and
Speaker 1: come up through and get on the linebacker. That is
Speaker 1: the most physical play in all of football. It is
Speaker 1: the power. It's the second play they actually drew up
Speaker 1: in the dirt when they created the game of football,
Speaker 1: and that is going to be run by the Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals at some point in time. How much and to
Speaker 1: what degree, I don't know, But just the fact they're
Speaker 1: wrapping it out right now, Paul tells me so much
Speaker 1: about this offense and the mentality of this offense going forward.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot is made about Jonathan Gannon was
Speaker 5: a defensive head coach, but I think he knows, yes,
Speaker 5: from being a defensive coordinator, that if another team can
Speaker 5: run the ball, you know they're going to run the ball.
Speaker 5: And they still run the ball. Not only is that
Speaker 5: a very effective in moving the chains, but be it
Speaker 5: is demoralizing in what they sue to a defense, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, PAULI, no, it truly is. When the other team
Speaker 1: can line up and this is this is about you know,
Speaker 1: you were talking about simplifying and this simplifying up the
Speaker 1: offense right here, simplifying it for Kyler Murray. This is
Speaker 1: where it really is going to help Kyler to get
Speaker 1: in a huddle, you call a play and know that
Speaker 1: I'm going to hand the ball off on this play.
Speaker 1: Know that you're going to hand the ball off on
Speaker 1: this play and then carry a fake out, whether it's
Speaker 1: a boot, whether it's a waggle, whatever you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: After you handing that ball off, you're going to go
Speaker 1: ahead and you're going to fake that. And I love
Speaker 1: that because it's so definitive. Okay, we are going to
Speaker 1: attack downhill. Your offensive line knows that they're not guessing
Speaker 1: as to how they're going to come off the ball.
Speaker 1: They know you're gonna hand the ball off to James
Speaker 1: Conner and oh, by the way, he's two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty two pounds. They're going to attack the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage downhill in Paul, guess what that does. That tells
Speaker 1: every offensive lineman that lines up and puts his hand
Speaker 1: in the dirt, We're counting on you to do your job.
Speaker 1: We're counting on you to blow somebody off the ball.
Speaker 1: The demand is put on the offensive line to do
Speaker 1: their job and block somebody because we're running down hell. Paul,
Speaker 1: I love that. Just think of the mentality of that.
Speaker 1: Right now, you're not running an RPO where you you know,
Speaker 1: run pass option where the offensive line doesn't really know
Speaker 1: or we're going to run it. So you know, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to read that week side inside linebacker.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. I'm trying to block
Speaker 1: the guy here that there's no doubt when you line
Speaker 1: up and run the ball. And that's where your offense
Speaker 1: can become very, very effective by using play action.
Speaker 5: And Will Hernandez he went off on a bit of
Speaker 5: a rant on that where he said, yeah, the play
Speaker 5: action becomes so much more effective. Receivers are more wide open.
Speaker 5: It just makes things easier for everyone who's around the ball,
Speaker 5: in the words of Will Hernandez. And then you talk
Speaker 5: about simplifying it. Look, how many times do we hear defenders,
Speaker 5: especially defensive linemen and guys in the box, say that
Speaker 5: when the opponent gets in the gun, it simplifies it
Speaker 5: for the front seven.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and so, and.
Speaker 5: Look, nobody ran the shotgun to a higher percentage last
Speaker 5: season than the Arizona Cardinals offense. So now, especially if
Speaker 5: you're going to start the season with a Cole McCoy
Speaker 5: under center, for example, or at least playing quarterback, I
Speaker 5: would envision Cold being under center more than we ever
Speaker 5: saw the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: No doubt, and you know it does so much of
Speaker 1: the time. It really helps your quarterback and run down
Speaker 1: situation first and ten second and one to six. When
Speaker 1: you line up and you line up, especially a power
Speaker 1: personnel group Pauli, when you go two tights, three tights,
Speaker 1: you line up and you run some play action right there. Again,
Speaker 1: it simplifies a lot of things for the quarterback. It's
Speaker 1: you go ahead, Okay, we're not gonna run it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna use play action on this Bam. You're either gonna boot,
Speaker 1: which means you're gonna roll out to the strong side,
Speaker 1: or you're gonna waggle to the weak side of the formation.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get out on the edge. You're gonna hit
Speaker 1: the flat, or you're gonna hit the drag, or you're
Speaker 1: gonna hit the deep rot. I mean, it's just bought
Speaker 1: a bing but a boot.
Speaker 5: Hey, still a lot of decisions to made on that
Speaker 5: offensive line. D J. Jumfrees is maybe the only known
Speaker 5: for sure at left tackle. Will Hernandez Is he gonna
Speaker 5: stay at right guard? Who's your center? Paris Johnson Junior?
Speaker 5: Is he your right tackle? Could he be in the
Speaker 5: mix at left guard? We'll talk about the defensive front
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Speaker 4: Gino Smith in the pistol behind him as Kenneth Walker
Speaker 4: snapped the Smith He's gonna throw and t.
Speaker 2: The top numbers.
Speaker 3: Picked off the thirty on the top of now running
Speaker 3: back under the twenty to ten dump.
Speaker 6: Down out Saban Collins.
Speaker 8: Great awareness.
Speaker 3: That was a checkdown of the rights and Saban Collins
Speaker 3: read it.
Speaker 8: He picked it off and then he.
Speaker 3: Returned it to give the Cardinals to lead thirteen to ten.
Speaker 8: Saban with a look what I found?
Speaker 1: Pick and then shows off bad speed. That is a
Speaker 1: big man running taking it all the way back for
Speaker 1: a pick six.
Speaker 12: Paye hey.
Speaker 5: There were certain games where passion Wolf called the name
Speaker 5: Zaven Collins a lot. That was a thirty yard pick
Speaker 5: six against Seattle last season. Of course, that's when he
Speaker 5: was calling the defense playing the mike linebacker role. Now
Speaker 5: he's on the outside at least as of now, I'd
Speaker 5: be the most intriguing player on that side of the ball.
Speaker 5: Dollar for dollar, just okay, how's he gonna fare? Especially
Speaker 5: considering the need on this team for someone to be
Speaker 5: a force off the edge, it is the big Red
Speaker 5: Rage presented by Santane Ford and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford,
Speaker 5: Paul kelvic, Ron, Wolfley and wolf What do you make
Speaker 5: of Xavan Collins working with the outside linebackers?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paully. First of all, my first thought was the
Speaker 1: fact that he looks more like an edge player than
Speaker 1: he doesn't like linebacker, you know, with all of his
Speaker 1: height and his length, of course, he looks more like
Speaker 1: an edge player and it's going to be really interesting
Speaker 1: to see how he takes to that. I did not
Speaker 1: really know this, but last year, of course, whenever Zavan
Speaker 1: Collins would get out on the edge, he was still
Speaker 1: making all the checks and all the col Do you
Speaker 1: have any idea how difficult that is to do, Paul?
Speaker 5: It is remarkable to hear him say that that he
Speaker 5: would be on the edge and you have to shout
Speaker 5: the adjustments to checks like they'd come out and empty,
Speaker 5: and then you'd have to check as a defensive front
Speaker 5: and he's like shouting like al right, that's right, I mean, wow,
Speaker 5: in a loud stadium, that's difficult.
Speaker 1: It just shows you the mental acumen that this guy
Speaker 1: really has because he was able to actually play Mike linebacker,
Speaker 1: making the adjustments and the calls, not from behind the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, but from the edge. Very very interesting
Speaker 1: on that. I think his physical skill set is a
Speaker 1: better fit for the edge now I think that. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I think that, but it's really interesting
Speaker 1: that Zavian told us that the coaching staff jg of
Speaker 1: course and Nick Rollis they were the ones who actually
Speaker 1: approached him in regard to saying, hey, listen, we'd like
Speaker 1: to start you off here on the edge where we're
Speaker 1: gonna still move you around. It's not like you're never
Speaker 1: gonna play Mike linebacker again, but we'd like to start
Speaker 1: you off here on the edge. I thought that was
Speaker 1: really interesting to hear Zavon Collins say it was basically
Speaker 1: their idea, and Zavon was all about I want to win.
Speaker 1: Not a surprise there either.
Speaker 5: And when you talk about as measurable, so he is
Speaker 5: six ' four plus in every bit of two sixty,
Speaker 5: so I mean he is an extra large dude who
Speaker 5: seemingly would be very well suited to the edge.
Speaker 8: Holding the point.
Speaker 5: We'll see here's Jonathan gall Gannon on Zamon Collins' attitude so.
Speaker 8: Far, He's doing a good job.
Speaker 10: But I love about Zavon as that's the type of
Speaker 10: makeup that you want in your players, is coach. I'm
Speaker 10: willing to do anything that you want me to do
Speaker 10: to help the team. And when you have a bunch
Speaker 10: of guys like that on your team, you have a
Speaker 10: good chance to win.
Speaker 5: I know that a lot of people like to make
Speaker 5: the comparison to a Hassan Reddick, who's also was once
Speaker 5: upon a time an inside linebacker first round pick by
Speaker 5: the Cardinals, who didn't really flourish until he got to
Speaker 5: the edge. Difference is as Son Reddick had been an
Speaker 5: All American in college at that position. All right, this
Speaker 5: is new for Xavi and Collins, But I'm wondering, well,
Speaker 5: do you think this could unlock his athleticism a little
Speaker 5: bit more akin to a Hassan, Yes, I do, Paully.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a challenge to him.
Speaker 1: Just talking to him the other day, had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to sit down and talk to him. Just talking to him,
Speaker 1: you could see his light, his face light up just
Speaker 1: a little bit. You could see the light coming from him.
Speaker 1: Paully when he started talking about that and moving out
Speaker 1: to the edge and bringing the athleticism to the edge
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's a challenge to him. This is
Speaker 1: something that I think he is going to cultivate. What
Speaker 1: also is very interesting, Paully, is just the fact that okay,
Speaker 1: with the whole Hassan Reddick and Jag of course and
Speaker 1: Nick Rowlis. Hey, guess what they took Hasan Reddick and
Speaker 1: made him one of the best edge players in the
Speaker 1: National Football League in that defense with Philadelphia. And now
Speaker 1: they come out here and we all thought, what PAULI
Speaker 1: for the most part, it was going to be Isaiah Simmons.
Speaker 1: They were going to take Isaiah Simmons and they were
Speaker 1: going to stick him out on the edge. That's what
Speaker 1: they were going to do. I never in a million
Speaker 1: years thought, Paul it was going to be Zavan Collins.
Speaker 1: When you talk about the two inside linebackers for the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: Savan Collins as the mic, Isaiah Simmons as the weak
Speaker 1: side inside. I would have bet you five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: or more, Paul, than it would have been Isaiah Simmons
Speaker 1: on the edge and not Zavan Collins. He got incrementally
Speaker 1: better all of last year. They look at him and say, no,
Speaker 1: we think you are on the edge. That's very fascinating
Speaker 1: to me because they see something in this kid that
Speaker 1: other people have not.
Speaker 5: My question now is, okay, we know the edge guys right,
Speaker 5: whether it's Zavon or bjo Jalari, the second round rookie
Speaker 5: year of my j Sanders, Cam Thomas, the third round
Speaker 5: picks last year, it's who's playing on the interior of
Speaker 5: that defensive line. You look at this roster right now
Speaker 5: is currently constructed. The guys were in the ninety numbers
Speaker 5: in numerical order, Rashard, Lawrence, LJ. Collier, Kevin Strong, Jonathan Ledbetter,
Speaker 5: Carlos Watkin to Eric Banks, and then Cameron Thomas. If
Speaker 5: you're gonna drop him down to a five technique, well,
Speaker 5: there's a lot to be decided to determine in that group,
Speaker 5: is there not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there really is, Pauli. If you want to make
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals team right now and do well be
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman, yeah, that is where you're gonna have
Speaker 1: the opportunity. You are gonna have the opportunity to make
Speaker 1: this team. You're gonna have the opportunity to play in
Speaker 1: that rotation. I see it as almost wide open. Rishard Lawrence,
Speaker 1: I think if he's healthy, he's already proven to me
Speaker 1: he can play. He's an NFL defensive tackle, and I
Speaker 1: think hopefully this will be his breakout season, provided he
Speaker 1: can actually stay healthy. But after that, I think it's
Speaker 1: Katie bar the door for anybody who's really hungry and
Speaker 1: wants to play on that defensive line.
Speaker 5: Would cornerback be the number two question for you on
Speaker 5: this defense? Yeah, typically you need four going into a season.
Speaker 5: You have Marco Wilson, Antonia Hamilton, and then I mean
Speaker 5: you have some talent, you have some promise, you have
Speaker 5: some highly thought of rookies, but there's a lot to
Speaker 5: be decided there as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paully, it really is a situation where you gotta
Speaker 1: have you gotta have three corners that you really really
Speaker 1: feel confident about right now. And you know you mentioned
Speaker 1: the typical names Marco Wilson of course, and Antonio Hamilton.
Speaker 1: You got Rashad Fenton as well. Listen, I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be wide open, wide open, And I don't think
Speaker 1: we're done yet. That's just me. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: to see some signings late going into training camp that
Speaker 1: are better in corners.
Speaker 5: Yeap veteran corner, a veteran defensive lineman or two. Perhaps
Speaker 5: maybe a veteran tight end or two. I mean, when
Speaker 5: Trey McBride's telling you today that they're gonna run twelve
Speaker 5: and thirteen personnel, Yeah, are they going to bolster that room?
Speaker 5: So we'll see and then center, of course, center might
Speaker 5: be atop the power when it comes to veteran needs.
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