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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost of his podcast finale. Addition,

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Speaker 2: I wish Ben were here. He has his off week

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Speaker 2: and it's his anniversary today. I cannot believe he and

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Speaker 2: Jess were married for four years. Time of freaking flies.

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Speaker 2: It feels like two years. It's so nuts. But they

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Speaker 2: have posted the cutest things of each other today, so

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Speaker 2: check that out and again just sending them the happiest

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Speaker 2: of anniversary wishes. I am joined again by our wonderful

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Speaker 2: podcast producer. I love having Heather on because she does

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Speaker 2: have so many juicy takes. You don't hold back. Love

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Speaker 2: that and I love that especially for a day like

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Speaker 2: today because I watched this finale and like my botox

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Speaker 2: was botoxing because I try to take a picture of

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Speaker 2: myself and like the confused judgy face that I had

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Speaker 2: on the expression the entire episode. It was like my

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Speaker 2: brow was for Road, Yeah, for Road the entire time.

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Speaker 2: Because this episode, I honestly have to say, really proved

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Speaker 2: to me that Mel is the worst lead this franchise

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Speaker 2: has ever chosen. They this was a massive mistake, and

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Speaker 2: I think my biggest takeaway from this as far as

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Speaker 2: just like my feelings go, is that it's unfortunate that

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Speaker 2: he was this golden There's so many reasons why he

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Speaker 2: was unfortunately this Golden Bachelor, but the one that makes

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Speaker 2: me the most sad I worry that there will never

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Speaker 2: be a Golden series after this. And his runner up,

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Speaker 2: whatever the heck you want to call her, Cindy, was

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Speaker 2: made to be a lead as the Golden Bachelor.

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Speaker 3: Att I think you took the words right out of

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Speaker 3: my mouth.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh good.

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Speaker 3: I sent a text message as soon as I was

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Speaker 3: done watching it, going worst finale in Bachelor history. I

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Speaker 3: think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was, I think so. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was devoid of everything that we know and love

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Speaker 3: from this franchise. Take take everything that we know the

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Speaker 3: Bachelor to be. Dramatic, emotional twists gone from this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there was just none of that, and I and I

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Speaker 3: just left feeling huh. I was like huh at the

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Speaker 3: end of this, yeah, two hour finale? Also, why did

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Speaker 3: we need to make it two hours? Like we've blazed

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Speaker 3: through his entire season thus far, we could have really

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Speaker 3: blazed through this finale too. They tried to really milk

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Speaker 3: something when there was no milk.

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Speaker 2: There was no milk. Yeah. As far as finales go,

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Speaker 2: have there been like crappier finales in the sense that

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Speaker 2: the couples don't end up together. Of course, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: at least there's so much emotion involved because there was

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Speaker 2: probably so much love or lust involved too. The fact

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Speaker 2: about this finale is there was no feeling. We actually

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Speaker 2: had two people who end up ended up together who

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Speaker 2: basically didn't say I love you. This is the first

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Speaker 2: time I think in Bachelor history that they didn't say

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Speaker 2: I love I guess it was Wuan Pablo because Wan

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Speaker 2: Pablo didn't say I love you to Nikki. He said

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Speaker 2: I like you a lot. That was very famous. But

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Speaker 2: there was still way more passion in that season than

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Speaker 2: this season. This was devout, devoid of all emotion. I'm

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Speaker 2: actually kind of I mean, I'm certainly glad he ended

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Speaker 2: up with Peg, who they both admit are not mushy

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Speaker 2: people and they don't fall fast, and they obviously didn't

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Speaker 2: prioritize marriage at all. It makes sense that they ended

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Speaker 2: up together very happy. I'm very very happy that Cindy

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Speaker 2: eliminated herself. That girl woman rocked it. Throughout this. Throughout

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Speaker 2: the first half of the episode, I kept saying, this

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe what I was seeing. He She was like,

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Speaker 2: it's a process, Like, sir, that is not the answer

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Speaker 3: There could have been other ways he could have gone

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Speaker 3: about that, navigating that conversation right. It could have been

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Speaker 3: I have really strong feelings for you, but there is

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Speaker 3: somebody else involved yet, So I'm not going to make promises,

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Speaker 3: or I feel deeply. There wasn't a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: him justifying to her, but I will say this, that

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Speaker 3: And as much as he felt like kind of sad

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, one of the most lame o things that

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Speaker 2: the game, basic, and I was like, sir, this is

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Speaker 2: And I'm really glad that Jesse spoke up and said, well,

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Speaker 2: there comes a point where you do need validation.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, and and she said back, like before he uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, talked about that when she was on stage

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Speaker 3: with Jesse. She had said she doesn't need to convince

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Speaker 3: hollered for that because that was like such a great moment, right.

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Speaker 3: It kind of goes back to what she had said

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Speaker 3: previously on the show that I think both resonated for

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Speaker 3: you and I when she said, if you're not going

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Speaker 3: knows I think she knows she's a bombshell. She knows

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Speaker 3: she's really cool, and she's just like, if you're not

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Speaker 3: into it, she's probably not a million guys like in

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Speaker 2: I'm just she was like a girl to me where

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is I mean talk about stereotypes, I know,

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Speaker 2: but like I want her to have like a Texas

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Speaker 3: Watching her during after the final rowse with Jesse, I said,

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Speaker 3: in my mind when she was talking about like my

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Speaker 3: I'll say by New Year's Eve, I hope. So I'm

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Speaker 3: going to say by New Year's Eve, Cindy is going

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Speaker 3: that confident in herself that she has put out there

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Speaker 3: She is going to find a man like that.

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Speaker 2: She will have all the options in the world. She

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Speaker 2: will be living in real life, the Golden Bachelorette life. Yes,

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Speaker 2: but I also wish that we would at some point

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Speaker 2: just don't think it's really in the cards. I just

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Speaker 2: I think this was such a bomb of a season

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Speaker 2: but she would have been incredible, lead incredible. I agree.

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Speaker 3: Can I just off topic but on top for a second,

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Speaker 3: because I feel like you are the person to talk

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Speaker 3: to you about this. Her look for after the final rows, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I was like, I was like clapping, I was like stunning.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes she not.

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Speaker 3: With her red hair and the way that dress looked.

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Speaker 3: Does she not remind you of when Little Mermaid Ariel

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Speaker 2: Her legs the silver drug.

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Speaker 3: That was That was all I was thinking. When she

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Speaker 2: Was like, Oh, that's amazing.

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Speaker 3: No life, Ariel. No, she looked. They both looked fantastic. Oh,

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Speaker 3: Peg looked absolutely beautiful. Her hair looks so good like that,

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Speaker 3: she looks so good, And you know, I'm really happy

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Speaker 3: that they're enjoying their time together. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: I think she could do uh, she could get a

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Speaker 2: But it's all good. If they want to be dating,

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Speaker 2: that's that's great. She definitely deserves the best. I have questions. Okay, wait,

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Speaker 2: that was so mean. I don't mean that. I just

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Speaker 2: mean that these are two really kick ass women.

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Speaker 3: They are, and they're kick ass in different ways, right.

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Speaker 2: And he's just kind of like a snooze. Okay, he's

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Speaker 3: I agree. You know what, though maybe I'm maybe I'm

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Speaker 3: I can see them being together for like a long time.

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Speaker 3: Like I could also see them be like a Goldie

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Speaker 3: I kind of really liked the vibes between them, and

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Speaker 3: I think that Peg hasn't been super forthright with what

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Speaker 3: was cheated on, and we know that during their fantasy

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Speaker 3: I get the vibe from both of them that marriage

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Speaker 3: their divorce. And I don't want to hold that against people,

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Speaker 3: because divoritely really really hard and you shouldn't. But I

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Speaker 3: also I'm like, looking back, Ashley, do you he never said.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he ever said my wife is in

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Speaker 2: She said that he did, but I'm not sure I did.

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Speaker 2: Cindy said that she that he did at some point.

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Speaker 2: He may have, he may not have. It's just another reason,

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Speaker 2: like I with Gary season and even Jones season, because

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Speaker 2: having to prioritize marriage on this like sect of the franchise.

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Speaker 2: I kept saying to like about Gary and Teresa, like

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Speaker 2: And I believe that is a totally legit expectation to

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Speaker 2: reason why it was, like, why do they pick this man?

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Speaker 2: Not only does he not have a person that jumps

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Speaker 2: has no desire to really or he seemingly has it

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Speaker 2: And if he does, he's going to take years and

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Speaker 2: years to pull the trigger on that. I want to

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Speaker 2: go back just because you were thinking about you were

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Speaker 2: talking about fantasy suites. It was just a very strange

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Speaker 2: like the after show when he kept telling Cindy, you

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Speaker 2: didn't stay around for the for the overnight, and like

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Speaker 2: that would have been part of the process, you Like,

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Speaker 2: But again, that's just another reason why he shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and Ashley, you might be able to

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Speaker 2: that because maybe he would have been better than we

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00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: than he was. I mean, it's pretty impossible to I

438
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: want to.

439
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: Hope that they saw something because for how to pull

440
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: back the curtain a little bit, the leads have to

441
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: meet with executives and the network a lot before a

442
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: lot and so we're talking multiple meetings. We're talking about

443
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: background checks, psycho evaluations, medical testing, going to upfronts or

444
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: you know, Hulu events or like, there's a lot of

445
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: like mixing and mingling and talking that the leads have

446
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: to do to in a sense, prove themselves that they

447
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: are right for this kind of a role and to

448
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 3: take this on. And so I want to believe that

449
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: the people in the room really did see something in

450
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: him and that's why they gave him this opportunity. I

451
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: don't want to think he was just this way in

452
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: the room and people were like, yeah, yeah, this guy,

453
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: because I just don't. I just I want to give

454
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 3: the Hulu execs and the ABC execs a little bit

455
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: more credit than that they that they wouldn't.

456
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 2: I agree, Blacks. I agree. It was weird that you

457
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: say this because I did post something on Instant Story

458
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: before getting on the podcast. I said, you know, this

459
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: man was not born to be the Bachelor, and I

460
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: initially had wrote something more a little harsher, and I

461
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: had said he was like the worst casting choice, and

462
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: I erased that because I was like, this just doesn't

463
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: feel right to blame casting on. They have never fed

464
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: up like this before. The lead has been a weird

465
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: There's been weird choices for lead before for sure, for sure,

466
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: but those people, for the most part who have been

467
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: cast as weird leads, they were still good cast members

468
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: when they were on the main show. Like you would

469
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: understand why all of the people that became leads, even

470
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: while questionable, you'd understand why they would be cast for

471
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: the other show where they are part of, like the

472
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: Seid ensemble.

473
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can see there's been a changing of

474
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: the guard, right. So proof to what I'm saying is

475
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: just look at the fact that Taylor Frankie Paul is

476
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: the Bachelorette for the next season. That did not come

477
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 3: from the casting department. That is inner Hulu, ABC executives

478
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: making a deal. So we have executives or somebody is

479
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: in place now that is taking a stronger hold on

480
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: the casting of the lead. And this is not what

481
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: past seasons have been like. And so that's why I

482
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: want to say that mel probably came from an internal

483
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: connection and was not found organically for this experience.

484
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: Totally great point, Heather Things, thanks for being here to

485
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: have that insight. Appreciate so much. Let's talk about the

486
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: proposal non proposal which was again a very weird moment.

487
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: It was like are we giving promise rings as sixty

488
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: year olds?

489
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: And I say, is this that's what it? Worst finale

490
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: in history where Neil Lane wasn't at the location to

491
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: come out.

492
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: No, it's not the last season. I believe that with Grant,

493
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: Neil Lane didn't come out. Oh no it was or

494
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: it was Paradise. He didn't come out Paradise.

495
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: He did not come out.

496
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: I do know that. My thought was that I guess

497
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: that Neil really wanted or the Bachelor has some sort

498
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: of relationship with Neil in which like he really had

499
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: to give a ring.

500
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw him in the audience at the

501
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: after the final Rose. They did a little pan.

502
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: To him because that was really awkward. Yeah, gave a

503
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: ring to a woman and said, this is a commitment

504
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: to this is a commitment to see how things go.

505
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: This is a commitment to date.

506
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, and then.

507
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: He goes just the fact that he was handing a

508
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: woman a ring without getting down on one knee. It

509
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: was so bizarre. And then even in the after the

510
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: final Rose portion, Jesse was like, any thoughts about getting engaged?

511
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: And then what did they say? They were like, you know,

512
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: maybe down the road.

513
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, First of all, he's gonna hate me that.

514
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: I actually don't remember this verbatim. But didn't Bob Guinea

515
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: not propose on his season and also gave like a

516
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: promise ring.

517
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: Oh did hear? You'll have to ask.

518
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: He's gonna be so mad if he listens to this.

519
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: And it's like, Heather, how do you not know this?

520
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: We've talked about it, but I'm pretty sure that he

521
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: was one of the first bachelors to not propose.

522
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: It wasn't that's big of a thing back then. And again,

523
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: like I don't even have an issue with them not proposing.

524
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: I really don't, because like I just yeah, I'd rather

525
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 2: see like a healthy relationship than having to see a

526
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: force proposal. But it was like the weird in between

527
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: where it was like, I'm going to give you a ring,

528
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 2: but this is not a proposal. That's what was strange.

529
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh what if it's contractually that anneal Lane ring has

530
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: to be given?

531
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That must have been what happened.

532
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: Why can't it be something else? Kneel Lane? Why couldn't

533
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: he give her a necklace?

534
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: Necklace? Yes, that would have been nice. That's so like

535
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: Neil has gorgeous necklaces. I would I've gone into his

536
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: studio in you know, Beverly Hills, or it's like we's

537
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: Hollywood have docid it's so beautiful the necklaces. Will you're

538
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: looking at more than anything else.

539
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: Seriously, they that's what they should have done. It should

540
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: have been like, I want to commit to you to

541
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: see where this goes, and then pop some sham pain drink.

542
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: We're excited. Have that be the moment where they say

543
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: I love you to each other for the first time.

544
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: Why did we hear that at the after the final

545
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: rowse but we didn't hear it. Then in the.

546
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: Moment they were there, were both saying that they weren't

547
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: there yet. Peg had also said the day before that

548
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: she wasn't there.

549
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we're putting a square peg in a

550
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: round hole then.

551
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: With me too, like a square peg and a mel hole.

552
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: Like they just they really wanted to force these two

553
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: into the format instead of changing and reimagining what this

554
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: could be. And I hate to say this, guys. I

555
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: love this show, I love this franchise, but this is

556
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: a part of why the numbers have dipped off and

557
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: other shows have started to go to the adapt It

558
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: is because they adapt and they change and they do

559
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: things differently, and this show has like really just like

560
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: dug its heels in and no, this is what we do.

561
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: And it's like.

562
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, stop. Yeah. That being said, like Cindy wanted to

563
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: get married, like she wanted the proposal, and I think

564
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 2: that's totally fine too.

565
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: Debbie too. Debbie would have in a heartbeat, would have

566
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: married Mel.

567
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: I know him.

568
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm reading for Debbie if we get another.

569
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I agree. I like the DeBie thing because

570
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: she's never been married before. Yeah, okay, low. Let's also

571
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: talk about that awkward moment where Peg says Mel doesn't

572
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: have integrity. He is integrity now when the audience was silent,

573
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: I mean there was like five claps.

574
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: Weird, it was.

575
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: Proof were like all just we were like all right, girl,

576
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: if you say so. Not that he like ever showed

577
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: that he wasn't like an honest guy. It was like

578
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: just that he was showing that he's like a clothes

579
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: off guy. So I think that as an audience, we're

580
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: just like I don't know if we can trust you

581
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: because we don't really know you, it was so funny

582
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: to keep that in there. It was all just like,

583
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: I have no problem keep it in there. It's real.

584
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: I like the fact that the audience was without words

585
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: saying how they felt.

586
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: I want to just talk to anybody that has ever

587
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: been on reality TV and been like, you don't know

588
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: the real me. I got a bad edit. Blah blah blah,

589
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: I got a bad edit. Okay, we have a lead

590
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: and they couldn't even edit him to look amazing. Okay,

591
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: So I just want everybody to know that, like it

592
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: is what it is like. If you're a villain on

593
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: reality TV. I'm nine out of ten times gonna say

594
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: you are a villain in real life. There is only

595
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: so much editing can do, and this is proof that

596
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: editing can only go so far. We cannot make something

597
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: that is not there, and they didn't. Towards the end,

598
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: I agree with Ben. They were not even trying to

599
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: make him look cool, like they were just like letting

600
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: him look like a whimp and like letting him you know,

601
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: And I want to, you know, also not say that

602
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: these producers can't do their job. I one hundred percent

603
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 3: know that field producing is not easy, but you cannot

604
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: get somebody to say things and do things that they

605
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 3: do not want to do, especially past a certain age.

606
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: I have cast shows of people sixty plus and people

607
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 3: are I don't want to say smarter, but they are

608
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 3: less flexible than a person in their twenties who comes

609
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: on the show and is more wanting to appease producers

610
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: and get through whatever they need or get more screen time.

611
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: He wasn't like that, and he again, I just go

612
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: back to the fact that he was roasted so bad

613
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: over those comments. He was like just acutely aware of, like,

614
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: my words can be flipped and switched at any given moment,

615
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: and I am going to give them the least amount

616
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: of opportunity to do that to me. He probably had

617
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: no faith too in producers that the lead was going

618
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: to be protected after that, because that is normally I

619
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: would tell people all the time, you're a lead, they're

620
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: going to make you look amazing, like you have nothing

621
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: to worry about.

622
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: And I think he was wrong in that assumption. Yeah,

623
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: I think they were really trying their best. They stuck

624
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: with him, and I don't think I think that sometimes

625
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: they're down for a slappy bachelor, but I think that

626
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: they definitely did not want a sloppy Golden Bachelor. I agree,

627
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: especially since you know Gary was such a good, successful

628
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor and then things got so sloppy that I

629
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: was just like, I don't think that they were trying

630
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: to keep going with that. Producers were so frustrated at

631
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: Mel when he had Cindy leave. When Cindy walked away,

632
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: and then they're like, let's get in Jesse. It was

633
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: hilarious to just see the producers like, just as from

634
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: my experience, like they were so freaking annoyed at this

635
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: man for being so closed off. They're like, we're gonna

636
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: pull Jesse into this moment, see what he can do,

637
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: and he could barely do anything too, And it was

638
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: just funny to watch the frustration of them being like,

639
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: I can't believe how we have we have this is

640
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: this is the lead of our show. He can't discuss

641
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: anything he's feeling.

642
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: You're so true, because right like Jesse leads the horse

643
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: to water in a sense, right, he goes, she's still here,

644
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: do you want to go talk to her? And he no?

645
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The way that he says no was like it

646
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: was so dicky. It was that was another moment, whereas like,

647
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: this guy's a dick. I didn't want him to be like,

648
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: please stay, please stay, because I didn't even want her

649
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: to like ever feel weak. I never wanted her to

650
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: be weak towards him and be like, Okay, fine, I'll

651
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: stay for like one more couple hours. And she did

652
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: say that she wouldn't have done that, which is great

653
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: and I'm really really happy about that. But I just

654
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: was like, ew ew, go let her be alone.

655
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: I could have seen him going to her room, and

656
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: he had earlier this season, he had eliminated Jerry, who

657
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: he gave the first impression Rose too, and when he

658
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 3: walked her out, he got choked up, like he really liked.

659
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: That was the first, maybe one of the only times

660
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: we saw like an emotional reaction from him in a goodbye.

661
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: I could have seen him talking to Jesse and then

662
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: saying I don't like how we just said goodbye right now,

663
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: and him going back to her room and saying, I

664
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: just want you to know how special you are. I

665
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: just want you to know how much you meant to

666
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: me in this moment, this moment, this moment, and having

667
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: some sort of reaction and now I agree with you

668
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: that it was probably an ego bruise, but I also

669
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: wonder if he was starting to feel semi emotional and

670
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: was like, huh uh, they're not going to get that

671
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: from me on cable, like I'm not going to go

672
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: and like because he again, I really think he feels

673
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: badly about eliminating And I don't want to speak from

674
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: personal experience of men that are avoidant and do this,

675
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: but pushing away so that the woman makes the choice.

676
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like he would have loved to have

677
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: ghosted her, could have, I believe, so I believe that

678
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: is what he would do.

679
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: But that's that's the vibes I got from that whole situation.

680
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: I was like, he is not giving it to her

681
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: because he actually wants her to walk away. He doesn't

682
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 3: want to be the one to break up with her.

683
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: He knows it's not her. This situation is eating him

684
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: up inside, and so I think he probably didn't expect

685
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: her to be so forthright in her exit of like,

686
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 3: I know somebody's out there for me if it's not you,

687
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean.

688
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: Like, at the same time, don't you feel like maybe

689
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: it was one of those situations where it's like, oh,

690
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: you broke up with me. I'm supposed to break up

691
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: with you. I agree, and I don't think he liked that.

692
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: I agree, because that is the uh, that is the

693
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: athletic mentality a game. He approached this game mind mentality.

694
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: As she said, what I don't we are not playing

695
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: in the same stadium or something.

696
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: Agreed. I agree.

697
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: He she's cool.

698
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: I mean, Cindy made the right call. She didn't feel

699
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: it in her gut. She trusted her gut and she

700
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: walked away. Which is why, Cindy, you will be engaged

701
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: by New Year's Eve.

702
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: Now we've uped it to engagement.

703
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: I believe you will be engaged by New Year's Eve

704
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: to somebody very hot. That's all I'm gonna say. Like,

705
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: She's like, it's gonna be somebody super hot, and I

706
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: think Debbie. I think Debbie's got an inner two to

707
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: find somebody. I think all the gals from this season

708
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 3: were so cool. And I totally see Peg. I'm from

709
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: Orange County where Mel lives, and I could see it's

710
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: so weird when I saw them together. I was like,

711
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: Peg is so Orange County. Like I know she lives

712
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: in Vegas, but I could totally see her living in

713
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 3: Orange County.

714
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that too. All right, let's talk

715
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: about Taylor Frank you Paul's chat with Jesse. This moment

716
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: happens after she wrapped a rose ceremony. She said that

717
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: she's already had she already has a couple of crushes.

718
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: She says that her cast is really good and from

719
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: the teasers that we've seen, we agree that her cast

720
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: has like seven guys that are so her type. That's

721
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 2: really exciting for her and us. And then she alludes

722
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: to one guy who terrified her.

723
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: No, she says he that she terrified.

724
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: Him, Oh, in a good way or bad way. She

725
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: was like.

726
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: After she made like these, it sounds like she's eliminating

727
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: guys before Rose ceremonies. Like she's like yeah, and a

728
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: guy said to her like you terrify that terrifies me,

729
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: or you terrify me, and she's like good, Like she

730
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: likes this kind of upper hand mentality.

731
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

732
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: I know you're new to the secret lives of Mormon wives.

733
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: Did you get or understand the dirty soda reference.

734
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: Up top with jes So? I thought, I was like,

735
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: is that just another Oh? Because they love soda, that's right.

736
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: They like drink soda, like it's drinks.

737
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

738
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: And then so she had a she had a spiked soda. No,

739
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: So that's the thing.

740
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: So dirty soda doesn't mean alcohol and soda. It's then.

741
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: That's what I want to I thought he was making

742
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: a funny about like the fact that it was, you know, like,

743
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: what did we dirty? Surely?

744
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, not that. So in the Utah Mormon culture,

745
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: they're really into their soda drinks and this will definitely

746
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: be a part of the show and as you watch

747
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: Secret Lives more, you'll see them do this. But it's

748
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 3: like mixing like coconut milk and flavors and like all

749
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: this stuff into sodas and like making like a concoction

750
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 3: and it's called like a dirty soda. So the fact

751
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: that Jesse was like, I got a dirty soda for you,

752
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, we're really like leaning into this

753
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: right now. So that's what that was. We know that

754
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: she has a Dancing with the Stars group date on

755
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: her season. We're really making all that sin.

756
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: Very big good. We like that. I like this energy.

757
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: I think it's fun.

758
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: And we also know that her mom talk Gal some

759
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: of them are supporting her because they do come out

760
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: and visit her during filming, so we will get to

761
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: see that. Of course, you know, she mentions her favorite

762
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: things crocs, you know, so we're going to see her

763
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,959
Speaker 3: wearing crocs on the show. And you know, they made

764
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: a joke about like Mel's bloopers, about Mel eating the

765
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: food on dates and that is usually not typical, and

766
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: Taylor leaned into that as well in this chat with Jesse, saying,

767
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, like, can we eat the food? Can we

768
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 3: warm the food?

769
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: The food? People eat the food. I'm always been a

770
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 2: proponent of that, and that was probably my favorite segment

771
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: of Mels, the fact that she was so into food.

772
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 3: Well, you know why they don't let you guys eat

773
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: the food.

774
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: I know it doesn't look attractive. I get it, but

775
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: guess what.

776
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: Written that, it's more and more it's it makes it

777
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 3: seem way more real. It does make it seem more real.

778
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: But the real reason they don't let you guys eat

779
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: the food on the dates is because it ruins continuity.

780
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: So if you say something amazing at the end of

781
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: the sea, sorry to pull, I.

782
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: Have been telling the fandom that they just tell us

783
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't look cute. No, that's not for the past

784
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: ten years. This makes so much sense.

785
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you say something amazing at the end

786
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: of the date that they actually want to put up

787
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: earlier in the date, but you're say, drinking wine or

788
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 3: eating food, and we see the glass bounce from fuld

789
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: to empty.

790
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: The steak is whole in one spot and then it's

791
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: then it's like down to a bite and then it's

792
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: back to being whole. Oh my goodness.

793
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: That's why you can't do it now if you pay

794
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: attention there there are a lot of networks out there.

795
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: I won't say which that don't care about continuity, and

796
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: you will see food and drinks bounce from da da

797
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: da da da to size difference throughout a conversation. But

798
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: clearly ABC and Hulu are very acute to that, and

799
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: that's why they don't let you guys do it.

800
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: I used to just go in and dig i ate

801
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: on all my dates. I love that I didn't have

802
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: that many more good Yeah, I was like it, loved

803
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: the it tasted, the way it looked, it was good.

804
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: It tacos once and then I had steak on another

805
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: and then oh there was one other. I think it

806
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: was chicken. I don't know. But I ate on all

807
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: of them. That's so funny. Nobody ever stopped me. That's

808
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: why I was pretty convinced that it was just for looks.

809
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: But they're probably like, oh nobody else does this, We'll

810
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: let actually do it just because, like, you know what's

811
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: working around the plates for one date.

812
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: I love that you were went against the grain. It

813
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: sounds like Jesse ate a lot on camera too during

814
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 3: his time.

815
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 2: So, uh, yeah, that's so funny.

816
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: I wrote in the notes, I wrote, these blue aren't

817
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 3: that funny.

818
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: They're not that funny. I mean I haven't found their

819
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: bluebirds to be funny for quite some time. They used

820
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: to be epic, they used to be hilarious, and now

821
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: they're like two bug oriented. I'm like, guys like swatting

822
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 2: away bugs not that funny.

823
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: I can still remember a blooper from Caitlyn's season of

824
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: her being attacked by a bird.

825
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: Well, Katelyn was petrified at bird, so that was funny.

826
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: I mean, she has tattoos on her arms because she's

827
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: so scared of birds and she wants to like try

828
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: to conquer the fear. So that was great.

829
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: That was a funny one. But yeah, no, it's like

830
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: even if bloopers can't make this guy funny, which I

831
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: was saying, I think ask recaps. I said, maybe they

832
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: should have been earing bloopers and throughout this season so

833
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 3: we could have seen something.

834
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: No, the bluebirl. No, that's what like freaked me out.

835
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: I was like, if this is supposed to be fund

836
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: him eating food, it's supposed to be funny, Like, oh, no,

837
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: Like I like it because I like the eating the food,

838
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,959
Speaker 2: but like, if this is him funny, it's like, wow, wow,

839
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: poor guy. Again, as we've said a number of times

840
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: throughout the season, I don't know what Mel is like

841
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: in real life. I'm truly just speaking as a audience

842
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: member watching him as a lead of a show, and

843
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: he might be wonderful and I may love sitting down

844
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: having a drink with him, but I did not like

845
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: watching him as a lead. He was not meant for TV.

846
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: I fully agree. We are not talking about Mel as

847
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: a person. We are talking about Mel as a lead.

848
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: Not everybody is meant to be a lead. This is

849
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: why this part of the casting process is honestly the

850
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: most difficult. You can find a ton of people that

851
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 3: are great to be you know, background first one kicked

852
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: off somebody that you think is going to go far.

853
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: But casting a lead takes a lot, a lot of time,

854
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 3: and I think that you know, it sucks. I really

855
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 3: do want to believe, like you that there will be

856
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: more seasons of the Goldens, But I really feel like

857
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: this is a womp womp, and we are not going

858
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: to see it. If we do for for a while,

859
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 3: they're not going to put an allocate funds to something

860
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: that's not bringing in the numbers. And we all know

861
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: that this did not bring in the numbers, not at all. Wait,

862
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: can we talk about before we go? Can we talk

863
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: about the audience the people that were in the audience

864
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: for AFR. Did you did you see that Gary and Teresa?

865
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, the audience you know, Oh my gosh.

866
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: We knew that Teresa was going Ben knew somehow. And

867
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: then Heather and I discussed earlier in the week how

868
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: we didn't even think Gary was going to show his

869
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: face because of you know, the chopper up and put

870
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: her in the shed comment. But then he was there.

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Speaker 2: They even threw to him in the audience. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how I do. That's a weird You

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Speaker 2: notice that.

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Speaker 3: The first time that they that they introed him when

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Speaker 3: they were saying everybody, they were like, Jesse was like hey,

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Speaker 3: so and so Hey, he was like hey, Joan and Chock,

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Speaker 3: how's it going, and like they chatted and then he's

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Speaker 3: like hey Gary, and then he goes and hey jessin

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Speaker 3: Spencer like he did not talk to Gary the first

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Speaker 3: time that they pointed out, and I was like, oh, interesting,

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Speaker 3: But then at the end they did toss to him

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Speaker 3: and I was like, still interesting because Gary said when

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Speaker 3: he was on with you and Ben, he never met Mel.

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Speaker 3: He never talked to Mel before this experience. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I agree that was a little bit weird that he

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Speaker 3: was in the audience. I thought it was weird that

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Speaker 3: so Teresa and Leslie were there, Joan was there, but

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Speaker 3: that was it from Gary season. All the rest of

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Speaker 3: the women in the audience were for Mel season. So

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Speaker 3: it's interesting that they didn't invite any of like Susan

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Speaker 3: and Cathy or like some of our other favorite Goldens

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Speaker 3: were in the audience.

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Speaker 2: Why would they have Teresa be there if they weren't

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Speaker 2: going to throw to her.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so if you haven't listened, we did an episode

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Speaker 3: with Joe and Rachel Rekya that yeah, and they were

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Speaker 3: both in the audience, and they said that during the

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Speaker 3: commercial breaks, right, you guys get up and talk to

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Speaker 3: each other and stuff like that. They said, zero communication

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Speaker 3: between Gary and Teresa. And they were sitting, of course,

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Speaker 3: not extremely close to each other.

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Speaker 2: Why would they put them extremely close to each other

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Speaker 2: if they weren't going to utilize it for our entertainment

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Speaker 2: And I don't get it.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it. Well, well, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: say what we have coming up, but we're going to

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Speaker 3: have to get into this more. We're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: dive into this more.

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Speaker 2: We have to get Teresa on the podcast. I know

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Speaker 2: that she was almost Charlene, but we need to have

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Speaker 2: like our time with Gary and now our time with Teresa.

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Speaker 2: I agree, Okay, if I were Teresa, I would not

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Speaker 2: have gone knowing that Gary was there.

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Speaker 3: I agree. Unless I'm there to like speak or say something,

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Speaker 3: I'm probably not gonna want to be.

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Speaker 2: In this tame for that.

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Speaker 3: As my ex that said weird stuff like that, I know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, this was fun until next time, guys,

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Speaker 2: and we won't have a season to recap in a

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Speaker 2: long time, so give us ideas as to what you

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Speaker 2: guys want us to talk about or who you want

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Speaker 2: us to interview. We appreciate all the feedback. We love

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Speaker 2: you so much. Until next time, I've been Ashley, I've

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Speaker 2: been Heather Bye.

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