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Speaker 3: Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 2: Tim and Jeff Kirkshin, thank you for coming back for

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Speaker 2: another episode. And today we have a very special guest.

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Speaker 2: Buck Showalter is going to be joining us and he

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Speaker 2: is just the quintessential baseball lover. He's like us on

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Speaker 2: the show. We just love the little things about this Well.

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Speaker 5: He loves it way more than we do, and we

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Speaker 3: Buck asked me, wants Tim, you ever seen a great

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Speaker 5: That was the question he asked me.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't have a chance to ask him this.

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Speaker 5: Did I ever tell you I went to Walter Johnson?

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Speaker 5: Well, he was the big Train.

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Speaker 3: Ted Williams was a splendid splinter. I mean, lou Gerrigg

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Speaker 5: What do you got?

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Speaker 3: Well, there was so there's so much great pitching out there,

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Speaker 3: Jeff like Dylan Cees of the Padres is having another

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Speaker 3: He's got a one sixty sixty RA he can spin

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Speaker 3: I did the Diamondbacks Orioles game on Saturday, and Gunner Henderson,

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Speaker 3: One of the three greatest dimonbacks ever once hit fifty

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Speaker 3: He was introduced by Jim Palmer to Gunner Henderson and

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Speaker 3: Gunner Henderson shakes his hand and Gunner Henderson leaves. Luis

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Speaker 5: And here's why.

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Speaker 3: In order to frame a pitch properly, which is seemingly

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievably high rate. People are actually getting hurt. So

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Speaker 5: This is all about.

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Speaker 2: Do you think I can kick off the corkchins this week?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jeff, this, I look, this is so perfect for

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Speaker 3: In the Paul Schemes game, the Pirates walked six batters

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Speaker 2: I have a funny RBI story. It's not gonna land

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Speaker 3: I may offend people here, Jeff. You're a good little

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Speaker 3: Today is May the fourteenth, and it's Tony Perez's eighty

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Speaker 2: League in Lids, we put all of the Major League

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Speaker 3: I didn't know, I know that every time the Diamondbacks

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Speaker 3: go on a road trip, the coaches, the managers, trainers

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Speaker 3: and stuff like that, they go play basketball somewhere on

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Speaker 3: the road, and Tory does it every week and he

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Speaker 3: loves it. He was a good high school player and

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Speaker 3: all he wanted to do was after he wanted to

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Speaker 3: play basket ball at UCLA and he wanted to be,

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Speaker 3: as he told me, the Rudi of the basketball team

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Speaker 3: at UCLA, like the real tough guy that comes off

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Speaker 3: the bench and just can't wait to be there. But

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Speaker 3: he was a very good high school player and is

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Speaker 3: still a good player, and Tory has And Tory also

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Speaker 3: told me he said, when I retire from baseball managing,

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Speaker 3: like when I'm like seventy years old, he said, I

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Speaker 3: want to go coach a high school basketball team. That's

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Speaker 3: how much he loves basketball. But that's how much he's

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Speaker 3: interested in everything. And by the way, his dad used

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Speaker 3: to be the producer of the TV show he Haw

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Speaker 3: which is way.

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Speaker 5: Before your Time JAFT.

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Speaker 3: But he Haw was a show that I used to watch,

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Speaker 3: and it was Roy Clark and Buck Owens were the

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Speaker 3: two stars, two great singers, and Tory and Roy Clark

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Speaker 3: became like really close friends because he was on the

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Speaker 3: set all the time, and young Tory was like seven

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Speaker 3: years old, and he appeared on the show once and

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Speaker 3: they asked him a question on the show. No, well,

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Speaker 3: he asked them a question on the show. He said,

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Speaker 3: why does it take longer to get from second to

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Speaker 3: third than it does to get from first to second?

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Speaker 3: And Roy Clark looked at him and he said, because

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Speaker 3: there's a short stop in between. That's what Tory Lavello

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Speaker 3: told add he hall wants at at age seven. That's

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Speaker 3: why I love being around him. He makes us laugh

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Speaker 3: all the time. He told us ten stories the.

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Speaker 5: Other day that made us laugh out loud.

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Speaker 3: But that, Jeff is One reason why he's such a

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Speaker 3: good manager is he can relate to people. He can

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Speaker 3: sit and have a conversation with anybody about anything, and

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Speaker 3: that's why he's able to sit his players down and

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Speaker 3: understand what they're going through. That's what makes a really

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Speaker 3: good manager worth noting.

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Speaker 2: We have a really good manager joining us at the

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Speaker 2: end of the show today. Buck Showalter is going to

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Speaker 2: be our guest. Are we ready for It's in the cards? Yes, Love,

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Speaker 2: it's in the cards. These are just what do we

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Speaker 2: call We rip them open, We rip them. It's a

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Speaker 2: pack of cards, right not a deck.

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Speaker 5: It's not a knick pack of cards. Go.

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Speaker 2: Spencer Torkulsen is our first one right now.

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Speaker 3: He's the Tigers first baseman. He hit thirty one homers

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Speaker 3: last season, and Sunday he hit his first homer of

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Speaker 3: the season and it came in his thirty eighth game,

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Speaker 3: so he only two other players have ever hit thirty

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Speaker 3: homers in a season and then gone that many games

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Speaker 3: into the next season without hitting a home run. Ear

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Speaker 3: Averell of the of the Indians did it in the thirties,

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Speaker 3: and a couple of years ago Marcus Simeon did it.

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Speaker 3: He hit forty three homers one year and the next

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Speaker 3: year took him forty three homers to hit his first.

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Speaker 3: So Spencer Torklsen finally hit his first homer.

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Speaker 5: Good for him.

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Speaker 2: How about Randy arose Arena.

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 3: Now, aros Arena has really struggled, Jeff. He's sitting in

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Speaker 3: the one hundreds. He's a really good hitter at you know,

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Speaker 3: he came up and made an amazing splash in the

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Speaker 3: twenty twent World Series against the Dodgers. The whole postseason

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Speaker 3: he just dominated and he you know, he's from Cuba

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Speaker 3: and he lives his life. Every day is his birthday,

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Speaker 3: as he has said, because he was rescued from Cuba.

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Speaker 5: Now he's played in the Major League.

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Speaker 3: So after twenty twenty, he went home in the off season,

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Speaker 3: and among the many things he did was he raced

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Speaker 3: a horse, and he beat a horse in a race.

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Speaker 3: So he comes back to spring training the next year

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Speaker 3: and tells Kevin Cash, his manager, I want the green

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Speaker 3: light on the bases this year, so I'm allowed to

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Speaker 3: steal whenever I want, and Kevin Cash says, well, why

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Speaker 3: do you deserve the green light? And he goes, well,

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Speaker 3: I just beat a horse in a race. All right,

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Speaker 3: good enough for me, Kevin said, he you go what

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Speaker 3: I tell you to go. I don't care if you

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Speaker 3: can beat a horse. Kevin Gosman, Kevin Gosman has one

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Speaker 3: of the great split finger fastballs that I have ever seen.

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Speaker 3: And the interesting part about it to me is he

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Speaker 3: told me he never practices his split finger fastball in

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Speaker 3: between starts. When he goes and throws a bullpen. He

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Speaker 3: never throws his best pitch because it can irritate and

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Speaker 3: bring about a blister. Because to hold a baseball within

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Speaker 3: the you know, your index and your middle finger is

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Speaker 3: virtually impossible. He throws it so well so but so

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Speaker 3: not to even think about getting a blister. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: even practice his best pitch in between starts. I mean

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Speaker 3: that would like stephkur not the same level, be like

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Speaker 3: Steph Curry's. I'm not gonna shoot any threes. I'll just

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Speaker 3: be ready for the game. That's what Kevin Gosman does.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny because when he used to

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Speaker 2: play for the Orioles. I remember me and somebodies we

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Speaker 2: went to an Ools game when they did like a

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Speaker 2: suresy like the T shirt Jersey.

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Speaker 5: Geoy and I got it like one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Years ago, right, And as you do when you're in

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Speaker 2: a relationship, every once in a while, some of your

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Speaker 2: shirts and sweatshirts become your significant others. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how this happened, but my wife as one of her

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Speaker 2: sleep shirts, right, she sleeps in a T shirt. She

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Speaker 2: has a Kevin Gosman Jurisy.

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Speaker 5: It's Orioles.

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Speaker 2: And I asked her ones, I said, do you even

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Speaker 2: know who's on the back, And she said.

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Speaker 5: There's a name on the back.

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Speaker 2: Joey Minesses.

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Speaker 3: Joey Vnessa's hit his first homer Nationals first baseman DH

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Speaker 3: of the season the other day. He's hit some a

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Speaker 3: lot of some homers in his career. So my favorite

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Speaker 3: Joey Vanessa's story is, you know, it took him into

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Speaker 3: his like his thirties to get finally called up to

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Speaker 3: the major league. So his manager, Matt Lee Croy in

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Speaker 3: tripa a waited found out that Joey was going to

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Speaker 3: the to the big league. So he goes to his

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Speaker 3: door in the hotel at like three o'clock in the

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Speaker 3: morning and knocks on the door at three o'clock in

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Speaker 3: the morning to alert his first basement you're going to

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Speaker 3: the big leagues for the first time. Joey doesn't even

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Speaker 3: answer the phone because who is knocking out his door

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Speaker 3: at three o'clock in the morning. So Matt lee Croy

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Speaker 3: he knocks again, and Joey just assumes it's the maid

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Speaker 3: and he yells, I don't need any towels, And it's

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Speaker 3: that it was Matt Lucroy saying, I'm your manager, let

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Speaker 3: me in.

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Speaker 5: You're going to the big leagues. That's how he found

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Speaker 5: out he was going.

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Speaker 2: And last, but not least for it's in the cards.

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Speaker 2: We have Patrick Wisdom.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Patrick Wisdom, third baseman, part time third basement

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Speaker 3: now for the Cubs, went to Stanford.

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Speaker 5: Really smart guy, strikes out a.

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Speaker 3: Lot, but has tremendous power and one of the best

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Speaker 3: guys you'll ever meet. So again, Jeff, I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: come up with some ridiculous team of players every week

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Speaker 3: on is this great game or what? So Patrick Wisdom

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Speaker 3: is on the All Smart team. Uh, you were wondering

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Speaker 3: you thought it might be the All Teeth team.

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Speaker 5: Wisdom Wisdom teeth.

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Speaker 3: Now, all right, So there are a couple stretches here, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: But Harry Bright is the first baseman. The second baseman

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Speaker 3: even though we should use Brett Wisely because he just

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Speaker 3: came up with the Giants. But there was a guy

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Speaker 3: who played the Major leage. He's a second baseman named

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Speaker 3: Dave Brain. So I think we got We got Dave Brain.

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Speaker 3: We got to keep that. Bobby Witt Junior was the shortstop.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Wisdom is the third baseman. Dwayne Wise is one

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Speaker 3: of the outfielders. Bill Sharp is one of the outfielders.

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Speaker 3: I must tell you, Jeff, I really had a hard

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Speaker 3: time coming up with the third outfielder. So I panicked,

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Speaker 3: and I picked Socrates Brito.

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Speaker 5: No well, one of the.

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Speaker 3: Greatest, one of the greatest philosopher minds of all time.

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Speaker 3: Socrates Brito is our right fielder. And this is the

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Speaker 3: real stretch. I couldn't find a catcher. So what I

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Speaker 3: did was I picked Mike Ivy, who started his career

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Speaker 3: as a catcher, and the pitcher who would be pitching

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Speaker 3: him would be Brandon League, so it would be the

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Speaker 3: Ivy League battery. I couldn't help it, Jeff, I had

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Speaker 3: to and the last one is John Smart. He will

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Speaker 3: wrap up the All Smart team and the manager is

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Speaker 3: Johnny Keane, who managed Cardinals Yankees in his major league career.

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Speaker 3: That is the All Smart.

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Speaker 2: That's the little best of all tim there. You know

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Speaker 2: last week you did the All Fruit and Vegetable team,

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Speaker 2: All Fruit and Veggie, and I have to shout out

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Speaker 2: a couple of great game listeners. Ed Lockett said that

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Speaker 2: you could add stay with me Chuck knoblock because in

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Speaker 2: German knoblock means garlic.

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Speaker 5: Now we had Kyle Garlic on the team Garlic.

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Speaker 3: We can't use the same one twice, even with another derivation.

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Speaker 2: Pardon me on this possible pronunciation. Ken Hasted said, well,

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Speaker 2: we need a manager for the Fruit and Vegetable team.

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Speaker 2: He said, Bob Lemon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I had chet Lemon was the center field Jeff,

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Speaker 3: when you do this team, you can only have one. Well, right,

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Speaker 3: Bob Lemon was a great pitcher too, But I needed

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Speaker 3: an outfielder. I was short, so I used chet Lemon.

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Speaker 3: I know about Bob Lemon.

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Speaker 2: I gave you another manager outre Yes, please said it

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Speaker 2: might be a stretch, But Eric Wedge like.

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Speaker 5: Weggie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Eric wedge. That's very good. I implore people please,

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Speaker 3: when you hear something stupid on this show, call with

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Speaker 3: something even stupid, or we'll love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to add on to the All

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Speaker 2: Smart team, you can go to Great Game or what

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Speaker 2: dot com or follow us at Great Game or what

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Speaker 2: wherever you do social media, whether it's on YouTube or

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Speaker 2: whether you like to be on Twitter or Facebook or

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Speaker 2: Instagram where they're across the board. Buck Show Walter is

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Speaker 2: our guest this week. You're gonna hear from him shortly,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so looking forward to sharing this interview because

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Speaker 2: you've obviously covered the game of baseball, You've covered Buck

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Speaker 2: as a manager, and you worked with him at ESPN

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Speaker 2: as well, so you've got kind of that both perspective

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Speaker 2: similar to what you had with Terry Francona, Right.

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Speaker 3: And what I love so much about Buck Jeff is

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Speaker 3: how he loves and appreciates all the tiny little things

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Speaker 3: in baseball, like doing a rundown plays not a little thing,

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Speaker 3: but when it is, when it is orchestrated, perfectly, executed perfectly,

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Speaker 3: nothing makes him happier than that when the right fielder

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Speaker 3: and he'll talk about this backs up on a play

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Speaker 3: and saves a run. That's like the greatest thing that's

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Speaker 3: ever happened in I feel the same way about a

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Speaker 3: lot of parts of baseball. You know, when I see

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Speaker 3: a successful squeeze mount put down, I almost start to cry.

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Speaker 5: Because it's beautiful the way it's done.

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to go on a slightly different route

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Speaker 3: here on the things that make me so happy and

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Speaker 3: just they just make baseball so special. It's always amazed

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Speaker 3: me that I used to carry the Baseball Encyclopedia around

656
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Speaker 3: with me when i'd go on road trips. It weighs

657
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: literally ten pounds, and I carried it in my bag,

658
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: carried it on planes because I needed the Baseball Encyclopedia

659
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: with me. The first name for years and years and

660
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: years alphabetically that you see in the Baseball Encyclopedia is

661
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: Hey Garon, who, until Barry Bonds came along, hit more

662
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: home runs than anyone in history, as one of the

663
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: five greatest players of all time. Then David Ardsma, a pitcher,

664
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: came along and took him off the list, And I

665
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: asked him about that.

666
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 5: He was actually cognizant of.

667
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: The fact that he's number one all time, But the

668
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: Encyclopedia used to have hitters and pitcher register, so Hank

669
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: Aaron was still the number one guy on there. I

670
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: always love that. On May the seventeen, that will be

671
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: Carlos May's birthday. He's Lee May's brother. And the second

672
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: time in the show we've mentioned Carlos May, who hasn't

673
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: played in forty years.

674
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 5: All right, but.

675
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: Carlos May used to wear number seventeen and his birthday

676
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: was May the seventeenth, so when you look at the

677
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: back of his jersey, he has his birthday May seventeen.

678
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: That is beautiful.

679
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: Jerry Narron is former Major league catcher, major league manager,

680
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: and he used to fill out the lineup cards whether

681
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: he was the manager or the bench coach or any coach,

682
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: and he would do it in calligraphy. I mean it

683
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: was the most beautiful handwriting you've ever seen in your life.

684
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: And it would be up there in the dugout and

685
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: I would look at I was just be dazzled, how

686
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: beautiful this is.

687
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 5: And it's just lineup card.

688
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: And he would put a special little dot over the

689
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: eye if the player was a Hall of Famer, which

690
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: I just loved that little touch. I said, Jerry, how

691
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: long does it take you to write in calligraphy like this?

692
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: He goes, oh, I could just do it in a

693
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: couple of minutes.

694
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 5: A couple of minutes.

695
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: It looked like it was written from the sixteen hundreds,

696
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: you know, with a fountain ben that those are the

697
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: little things that I love so much. So Bud Black,

698
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 3: who's the manager of the Rockies, I should never tell

699
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: this story. But in nineteen ninety two, and I've been

700
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: charting this for a year, he is career He was

701
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 3: pitching for the Giants. His career record went to ninety

702
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: two and ninety two on that date, and the teams

703
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: for which he had played were seven ninety six and

704
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: seven ninety six on that day. So when we talk

705
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 3: about the ultimate five hundred pitcher, that was Bud Black.

706
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 5: So I flew.

707
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: Fifteen hundred miles to go tell Bud Black that story.

708
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: He's a funny guy, but I say to him, look, Bud,

709
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: I just want to let you know I'd flew from Dallas,

710
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: San Francisco this morning to tell you that you are

711
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: the ultimate five hundred pitcher. You're ninety two and ninety

712
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: two and your teams are exactly five hundred. During the

713
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: times that you've played. And he looked at me and

714
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: he goes, you flew fifteen hundred miles to tell me that.

715
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 5: He says, what is wrong with you? There must be

716
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 5: something wrong with you.

717
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: So Bud Black, by the way, was also a part

718
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: of I believe, the greatest battery in the history of baseball.

719
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 3: I always checked the battery the pitcher and the catcher.

720
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: So Bud Black wedding pitch for the Giants. His catcher

721
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: was Steve Decker occasionally, so we had the Black and

722
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: Decker battery. Beautiful And on those days Steve Rush and

723
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: our brilliant friend who's going to be on next week,

724
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: this is great.

725
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 5: We gave what he said. Those are the days that

726
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 5: Steve Decker used to wear the power tools of ignorance.

727
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 5: What he caught, Oh my god, it's so good. The

728
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: other thing, Jeff, that I love so much.

729
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: Is just how there's always a connection between players like

730
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: I once. I mean, they've always they've always played with

731
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: somebody somewhere. So John crook and Eye Crookies made me

732
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: laugh a zillion times. We're going to see the Marlins

733
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: and spring training, and Edwin Rodriguez is.

734
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: Their manager, and I don't know Edwin very well.

735
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: So I said, Crooky, did you ever play with Edwin Rodriguez?

736
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 5: And he looks at me and goes, yeah, I played

737
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: with him in winter ball. Like you hear stuff like

738
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 5: that all the time. So here's the story he told me.

739
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: This is graphic, it's awful, I'm gonna tell you anyway,

740
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: Edwin Rodriguez got hit in the mouth with a pitch

741
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: in spring training. Teeth are flying all over the place,

742
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: there is blood everywhere, and Edwin Rodriguez is in there

743
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: in a heap in the batter's box with blood all

744
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: over the place. Jose Dalleone, the first base coach, comes

745
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: down to see if he's okay, and he's so disgusted

746
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: by what he's looking at he faints right there on

747
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: the field. And get this, this is not a laughing batter.

748
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: They took Jose Dalione off in an ambulance and Edward

749
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: Rodriguez like stayed at the ballpark even though he'd just

750
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: been hit in the mouth with a pitch.

751
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: So this is a spring training story.

752
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: But we didn't have a spring training story because we

753
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: didn't We didn't start the show until the regular season started.

754
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: So Jeremy Guthrie, former pitcher. Really funny guy, really smart guy.

755
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: He used to ride his bike all the time to

756
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 3: the ballpark, like if it was closet, he would drive

757
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: like ten miles on his bike, two in front of the

758
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: ballpark and then go pitch in a major league game.

759
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: So any one year he rode his bike to a

760
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: spring training start and then in full uniform, he got

761
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: back on his bike and drove back to the facility

762
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: and he actually had his glove on his handlebars, like

763
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: we were like eight years old. Exactly is Michael Michael

764
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: Kadire said once he said it was like a scene

765
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: for the sad Our. Starting pitcher is wearing a uniform

766
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: and he's got his glove. And I'll leave you with this, Jeff,

767
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 3: since you are a great music guy. Bernie Williams, of course,

768
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: was a great center fielder for the Yankees and one

769
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: of the great musicians out there. The way he sings,

770
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: the way he plays the.

771
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 5: Guitar, it's just beautiful.

772
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: So I asked him last year, who's the most who's

773
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: the greatest musician that you've ever singer, you've ever played with,

774
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: And he said, oh, I played with Bruce Springsteen, so

775
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: so that means that he played four the Boss George

776
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: Steinbreder and he played.

777
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 5: With the Boss the Boss Bruce. When you look closely enough, Jeff,

778
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 5: there's a lot of stuff out there.

779
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Buck Showalter joins us next on is this a great

780
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: game or what? Thank you for listening, and we're with

781
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: Buck Showalter.

782
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 5: One are my dear friends.

783
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 3: Former major league manager is gonna be a major league

784
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: manager again if he wants. Buck, thanks for joining us.

785
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: This is my this is my son, Jeff here.

786
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: You're done good. He's done good. Jeff. You guys are

787
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 4: really skimming the bottom out of people to come home.

788
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: You know, we we had Terry Francona on Buck and

789
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us, and and we

790
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: we said, you know, there are a few people on

791
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: this list yourself included Buck and and Terry and he

792
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: said the same things. And you guys must be really

793
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: struggling to get guessed Terry and Bucker.

794
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 4: On the list.

795
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: Well, they're they're from the same a age group. The

796
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: self deprecation, that's how they work.

797
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: So you know, also, I think when you've been humbled

798
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 4: by the game, like Terry and I have, not humble

799
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 4: what's the word. You just you respect how fleeting it

800
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: all can be. Because you know, I talk a lot

801
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: about people. Ask me about somebody out go. I really

802
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 4: like their path. You know, I don't know what kind

803
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: of exact manager they're going to be, but they followed

804
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 4: a path that should lead them into success. You know,

805
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: these guys want. We live in the world today where

806
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: people want to go from A to Z and just

807
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: out titled people. They don't want to go to extended

808
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 4: spring and winter ball and instructional league and different levels

809
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: and learn. I love when somebody said, boy, I bet

810
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 4: you I've never seen that before. I said, oh yeah,

811
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: I thought instructurally back in eighty two a triple play

812
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: that never hit leather.

813
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: Tell us what it is.

814
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: Explain all right, We're an extended spring. You find out

815
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: whether or not you want to manage your coach an

816
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 4: extended spring. That's all the players they don't want to release,

817
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: but aren't good enough to play in a full season

818
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: a club back when they had regular my lease. So

819
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: they're waiting for the half season clubs to open. So

820
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: what do you do with these guys for a month

821
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: or two before the draft? So you take them to

822
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: extended spring. I had Mario Arvera. There I had Bernie Williams.

823
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 4: There A had these kids that nobody knew who they were.

824
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: But we're playing. I forget. I think it was a

825
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 4: Pirates first and second free two count, nobody out. I'm

826
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: coaching third, back when managers had to coach third, and

827
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: balls popped up. They're running on the count. To this day,

828
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: you will never see me start the runners first and

829
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: second deph with a three to two count. It used

830
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 4: to be an automatic run. No, and I'll tell you

831
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: why the balls popped up. These two kids, neither one

832
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 4: of them spoke English. By the way, I was one

833
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 4: of I think I had thirty two players. Twenty eight

834
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: of them spoke Spanish only. I had Carlos Tosca and

835
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 4: Carlos Lescone Wind. That got me through. So they're both

836
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: running right infield. Pop up, that's one out infield. Fly

837
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: the guy on second going to third, I stopped him,

838
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: got him headed back to second. The gull first has

839
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 4: got his head down and he passes the guy going

840
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: back to second.

841
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 5: Two outs.

842
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: The ball comes down Jeff and hits the other guy

843
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: in the coconuts for the third out. Now I'm sitting there,

844
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 4: I got a heck of a rally going, and next

845
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: thing I know, I'm collecting helmets and walking off the field.

846
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 4: So when I called that report in, Yeah, we used

847
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 4: to call in oral reports and then write a written

848
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: report on every game. I got a call the next day,

849
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: You've had a triple play that never hit leather. I go, yeah, Bobby,

850
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 4: Bobby Hoffman. So I said, I'll never see that again.

851
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: All right, we're done. Top that one with Jim Buck.

852
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 5: I can't top that. That's an all timer.

853
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: Now you talked about the path, Okay, My path to

854
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: making a career out of baseball came from my father,

855
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 3: Jeffrey's grandfather Pop, who had a great feel for the game,

856
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: really good player, loved the game as much as anyone.

857
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 3: What was your path back? How did you end up

858
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: loving the game so much? Where did that start?

859
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: Well? I grew up in a little town in the

860
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: panhandle of Florida. We probably graduated fifty or sixty people.

861
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: You had to really hustle for a prom date. I'm

862
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: telling you. It was all this public school in the

863
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 4: state of Florida. My dad was a principal for a

864
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 4: while before we went over to middle school. Try to

865
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 4: going to school Jeff, where your dad the principale It's tough.

866
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: That sounds terrible.

867
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 4: Back then, you didn't have a band because the boys

868
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: you played all three sports. You went football, basketball, baseball, football, baseball, basketball.

869
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: You just went from sport to sport. And I started

870
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 4: out in what we called the Dungaree League. Basically, you

871
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 4: got an old T shirt and you got a magic

872
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: marker and you wrote a number on the back of

873
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 4: it and we made a field over the hill. Ill

874
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 4: still remember I was like six seven. We were building

875
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: the backstop and we all had six guys on each team.

876
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 4: So that's I learned to hit the ball the other

877
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: way because they could never put a guy in left field,

878
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: and if you hit it too far in right field

879
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 4: and hit it in the water ditch, you were out.

880
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: It was water ball because we only had one ball.

881
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: So you know, people say, wow, you could really hit

882
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 4: the ball out of the way. I said, yeah, that

883
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: was a dunderry league back in nineteen sixty three, to

884
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 4: minor leagues, to little league, to Babe Ruth, But I'm

885
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: playing other sports than between. You know, when you see

886
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: guys that can't slide in the big leagues, which you

887
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 4: see a lot of them. Most of those are travel

888
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 4: team players, because when you are in basketball or football,

889
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: you learn how to fall, and the slide is basically

890
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 4: a control fall. And I want, I want to embarrass

891
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 4: them by telling you some of the guys that I

892
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: had in the big leagues, good players that couldn't slide.

893
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 4: But if I look back, if I see a bio

894
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: that they played baseball only, it's a red flag for me.

895
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: Well, and you look at our pitchers these days, they're

896
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: getting injured more than ever. And even in my little time,

897
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: there were kids only pitching. I mean, I remember playing baseball.

898
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: You'd pitch two innings, you play shorts up, you get

899
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: thrown in right field, then you'd keep scoring for two

900
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: innings to learn that skill set too.

901
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: Let me tell you one year, in between jobs, my

902
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: son's senior year in high school, I noticed they were

903
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: having trouble. They only had like fifteen sixteen guys out there.

904
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: It was junior senior year. I used to go out

905
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: there and just watch them. The guy says, hey, you

906
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: want to help me coach. I said no. I said, oh,

907
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 4: I'll be your groundskeeper. I'll watch some practices, whatever, I'll

908
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 4: drag your field cut the grass, but you need to

909
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: be the head coach. One day they couldn't get the

910
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: guys in gage and I said, you know, it's not

911
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 4: their fault, it's your fault. I said, it's our fault

912
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 4: because you've made the game boring. It's fun to play,

913
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: but you guys, you have a kid just stand out

914
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: and left field for an hour and a half picking

915
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: his teeth while some guy's throwing batting practice and nobody

916
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 4: hits in the ball. Does it? He goes, what do

917
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 4: you mean? I said, okay, I got your practice tomorrow.

918
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: I got one practice to show you what I'm talking about.

919
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: And Jeff I do that at the big leagues. He

920
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: spring training and attention span of major league players each

921
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: drill is like eight to twelve minutes top. You can't

922
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: stay there on something like that. So I said, okay.

923
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: They went out to stress and I go, I, no stress.

924
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: You're fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old. You were limber when

925
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: he got out of bed. Back with that's what we're

926
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 4: we gonna do. Where do you want to play? Because

927
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: I've always want to be a short stop. You're a

928
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 4: short stop. We played push them up baseball till remember

929
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 4: that where you play an inning, you push up to

930
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 4: the next musician. Next condition. Yes, yes, I threw the

931
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: picture and everybody had an O two count on. No walks,

932
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 4: no strikeouts, the balls put in play, Guys run the bass,

933
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 4: guys catch the ball. They run the ball. After about

934
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: twenty minutes, they were having the time of their life.

935
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 4: I turned the coach. I said, it's not their fault,

936
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: it's our fault. It's a great game. Quit making it

937
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: so boring. And I worry about that a little bit.

938
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 4: Sometimes I think we've made boring faster in the day's game.

939
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 5: That's a concern.

940
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: Back back to your dad for a minute, Buck, tell

941
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 3: us the story when you were a high school quarterback

942
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: and you you scored a touchdown.

943
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 5: Tell us the story now.

944
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 4: It was actually my sophomore year. I was a wide

945
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 4: receiver and I caught a touchdown pass from Robert Hudson

946
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 4: and I'm into end zone. I don't know what possessing.

947
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 4: My dad used to go into the library that overlooked

948
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: the end zone, turn off all the life, and that's

949
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: how he would watch the game. And you I understand.

950
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 4: My dad played college football, was offered a contract with

951
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 4: the Steelers before he decided to go to World War

952
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 4: War two. Long story there, but I jumped up one time,

953
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 4: Tim in the air with the ball over my head

954
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 4: and then handed it to the fisher. Well, he's waiting

955
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: on me on the front porch when I got home

956
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 4: that night. Back then, you came straight home after the

957
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 4: game on Friday night and he said, Hey, is that

958
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 4: the first touchdown you've ever scored? I said, He said,

959
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: is that the last touchdown you're ever going to score?

960
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 4: I don't think so. He says, Well, I act like

961
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: you've been there before, and by the grace of God,

962
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 4: you might be there again. The next time you do that,

963
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: he said, I will embarrass you. And I never did

964
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: it again. Wow, he said, I act like you've done

965
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 4: it before. Have you ever done it before? He got

966
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 4: your first home run? I know somebody did something. I said, Wow,

967
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: I remember the first home run I ever hit? Oh?

968
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 4: He said, two hundred and twelve. Oh, really, it looked

969
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: like it was the first one he'd ever hit.

970
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: Tell Jeff the story about on Baseball tonight when you

971
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 3: had to demonstrate a takeout slide of Harold Reynolds. Now

972
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: tell us the story with all the details, Jeff, he

973
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: was not dressed in sweatsuit and sneakers tell us the story.

974
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we kept talking about slides in the

975
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 4: second base and what's legal what's not, and Harold and

976
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: I are talking. I told the camera guys, I said, listen,

977
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 4: we're going to do a demo. This herold wan do

978
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: a demo. And he didn't really. I told the camera

979
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 4: guys off the side, listen, you got one take at this,

980
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 4: don't miss it. I'm going to take him out. And

981
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 4: they went, what I said, I'm gonna get him. So

982
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: they put an old burlap sack down there, and I

983
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 4: didn't realize that there was the still rivet screws on

984
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 4: the for the set. So Harold's getting a feed, probably

985
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 4: from Tim, and I'm coming in from first base and

986
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 4: I got a I got a full suit on tie

987
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: the whole nine yards and I slide. It's on tape

988
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: somewhere just because they turned it into the Emmy Show thing.

989
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: And I gotta tell you, Jeff, I smoke it smoking.

990
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: He was pull up in the air heat kettles, whatever

991
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 4: you call it, and hit Tim. He had a seat

992
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 4: up in the air, and uh, I ripped my pants

993
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 4: from above my kneecap to my cheek of my left rear.

994
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 4: But we got it on tape, and I don't know

995
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 4: if he's forgiven me yet, has he? Tim?

996
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if Harold ever forgetting Harold is still

997
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: surprised that he got taken out by a guy in

998
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: a three piece suit, But who was surprised?

999
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 2: It was Fuck.

1000
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 5: If he's gonna do it, he's gonna do it properly. Right.

1001
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: It's great television too, I mean great tv. One shot,

1002
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: one shot only I'm gonna take them out.

1003
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 5: That is great? All right?

1004
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: So, Jeff, I played in an old dog game. Maybe

1005
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 3: I was sixty years old, and I'm The next day,

1006
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: Buck calls me up and he calls me out of

1007
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: the blue to say, okay, I heard you had a

1008
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 3: game last night. Did you what music did you listen

1009
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: to on the way to the gym? He asked me

1010
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 3: like five different questions. Did you take layup lines during

1011
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: the game? Did how many assists did you have in

1012
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: the game? Did you go for beer and pizza after

1013
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: the game? And I answered all the questions? He goes

1014
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: thanks and then hung up.

1015
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 5: Buck. Why in the world would you make a phone

1016
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 5: call like that? Are you just the most curious man

1017
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 5: in the world.

1018
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: Oh that sounds like something like Austin power or something.

1019
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 4: I'm interested in people. I like, you know, it's how

1020
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 4: you learned him. If people asked questions, they don't listen.

1021
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 4: They're so worried about their next funny thing or how

1022
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: they can impress somebody instead of you know, learning, I

1023
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: mean I learned. It's like analytic people and all these

1024
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 4: I love having them, man, I'll question them. I'm the

1025
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 4: guy Jeff that asks the question that nobody else wants

1026
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 4: to ask, but they're afraid they're gonna look stupid.

1027
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: Now, Buck, I'm curious. You know, as a longtime lover

1028
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: of the game, a manager of the game of player,

1029
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: what is the subtle thing that you love about this game?

1030
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 2: The little things that intrigue you.

1031
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 4: Well, it's the same, you know, I love the stats.

1032
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: You act like this is something new. We were doing

1033
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: this back in the eighties and early nineties. It say,

1034
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: isn't something new, Okay, it's just we have a lot

1035
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 4: more ways to pull the numbers. And you know, there's leamy.

1036
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 4: We were doing this with charts. My wife was charting

1037
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 4: games where they hit the ball back in one on

1038
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 4: in a New York Penn League. You know when she

1039
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 4: used to I'd come back and we played the little

1040
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 4: falls mets. I give her the chart and she'd put

1041
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 4: it in my big notebook, so we knew where to

1042
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 4: play everybody next time we face it. But I like

1043
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: the things. They're such a small divider of wins and losses.

1044
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 4: At that level, these are the best players in the world.

1045
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 4: So your attention to detail and the little things and

1046
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: the confidence that gives your team that you have a

1047
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: little edge. It might be knowing the rules. It might

1048
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 4: be like there's so much jeff off the ball that

1049
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 4: people miss the game's really if you will watch off

1050
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 4: the ball, you will see the sincerity of players. When

1051
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 4: you see the right fielder backing up second base on

1052
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 4: the ball down the left field line. Well, the center

1053
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 4: fielder converge on second on a stolen base for a

1054
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 4: possible overthrow. You ever notice how guys get up on

1055
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 4: stolen base and trot the third in ball goes to center,

1056
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 4: and sometimes they go to the center and they don't

1057
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 4: go anywhere. That's because the centerfielder. Bernie Williams and Gerald

1058
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 4: Williams used to talk about that habit. They developed in

1059
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 4: the maor leagues with me and with us the Yankee

1060
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 4: farm system, and they couldn't break it. It's a habit.

1061
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 4: But if you watch off the ball, maybe in the dugout,

1062
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 4: watch guys reactions to different things. I don't you know,

1063
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: as far as celebrations whatever. Always look at the players.

1064
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 4: It's third game. If they're not upset about something that

1065
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: happened on the field, I should not impose the way

1066
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 4: I was brought up on third game, so I try

1067
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 4: not to. You know, something will happen on the field.

1068
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 4: Somebody will do a jig or a dance at the

1069
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: home plate on a home run, and I'll just kind

1070
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 4: of look down and dug out, and it doesn't seem

1071
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 4: to bother them, So I go, who am I? I

1072
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 4: just don't want to be the old guy on the

1073
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 4: port screaming at the young kids.

1074
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 3: Well good for you, Buck, that's hard these days. Tell

1075
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: us about the drill you had in spring training one

1076
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: year with Dion Sanders teaching base running.

1077
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 4: Well, we had basically as long as we were doing

1078
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 4: rundowns and we could not get Dion out, we could

1079
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 4: not get him out. We finally I said, Dan, go

1080
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: stand a dugout, go stand a dug out. But he

1081
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 4: you know, we had a rule. It used to be

1082
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 4: you tease rundowns. Don't even get me started about rundowns

1083
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: and the way that they go on today. But the

1084
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 4: key is the first guy that has the ball. You

1085
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 4: can't get the ball in separation from the runner. But

1086
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 4: Dion would. There was a rule that you could never

1087
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: fake a throw because if you fake it, the guy

1088
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 4: who was receiving the ball is getting faked out too.

1089
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: He doesn't know when to close ground. But with Dion,

1090
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: we've changed the rules said with a guy like Dion,

1091
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 4: you can fake the ball. It was the only way

1092
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 4: to get him out. If you fake it, you have

1093
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 4: to be able to tag him on the next play,

1094
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 4: you know, other words, fake step tag, Because there was

1095
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 4: he could start and stop. This was a whole different

1096
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 4: level of foot speed and quickness I had never seen

1097
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 4: before the first time I saw him steels second base

1098
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: and he could have been any type of baseball player

1099
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 4: he wanted to be. He had such a level of

1100
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 4: athleticism that nobody had ever seen. I thought Bernie Williams

1101
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: was athletic. I thought, you know, I seen all I

1102
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 4: had seen a lot of guys come through Jeter or whatever.

1103
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 4: I had never seen anybody athletically like Dion, and he

1104
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 4: was actually our most popular guy on the team. He

1105
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 4: was a different character in baseball. He got what baseball

1106
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 4: how was a little different. Our players loved it. When

1107
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 4: I sent him up to the big leagues from Double A,

1108
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 4: he didn't want to leave. He thought he was going

1109
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 4: to Triple A. When I called him and said, hey,

1110
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 4: you're going to big leagues, he said, man, I just

1111
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 4: I'd rather just stay here in pennis. A year, we

1112
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 4: got a good group of guys, got a chance to

1113
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 4: win a ring. I said, gee, I you understand we're

1114
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: talking about the big leagues, not Triple A. And then

1115
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 4: the phone hit the floor and he had asked his

1116
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 4: girlfriend to come and see if I was telling the truth.

1117
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: I love you. I stay in touch with him. I

1118
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 4: love Bean.

1119
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 2: So Buck, if you can see in the video here

1120
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: and we do the podcast audio and video, we have

1121
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: a little something here. It's it's a Buck Showalter gnome

1122
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: are you uh? And this My dad comes to Pennsylvania

1123
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: to film the podcast with me because he's afraid of computers.

1124
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: And so we set up here and he brought this,

1125
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: strapped it into the passenger seat, put a little seat

1126
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: belt over it, and he brought Then how did this

1127
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: come about? Do you give approval for these kind of

1128
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 2: giveaways or did it just happen?

1129
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 4: You know that one they stuck in on me, That

1130
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 4: one they snuck in on me, and uh, some lady

1131
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: knitted hat to boggin and type hats to go over

1132
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 4: the top of that head, believe it or not, and uh,

1133
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: wait a minute, right, hold on second.

1134
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 6: I bet he grabbing what he's going. Yeah, it's like

1135
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 6: a yeah snow cap.

1136
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's keeping the garden no more.

1137
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: My grandsons love it. That's why I keep it here.

1138
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 4: And someone sent that to me and I kept it somewhere.

1139
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: But that they we were really struggling to get people

1140
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 4: to come to the ballpark when I first got to Baltimore,

1141
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 4: and I was willing to be ridiculed in order to

1142
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 4: get more people in the ballpark. And you know, I

1143
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 4: was all in, but I told him, you've got to

1144
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 4: have better options than me as a non pretty popular

1145
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 4: just you know.

1146
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 5: What do your grandchildren call you? Buck?

1147
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: Papa popa Okay, See, my dad was pop and there'll

1148
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: never be another one like my my pop. So I

1149
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: it would take two of me to become one of

1150
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: my dad. That's how great he was. So I'm pop Pop,

1151
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: it takes two of me. Fuck take us back again.

1152
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: This is one of my favorite things. You take the

1153
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: job in Baltimore. You're in your office for the first time.

1154
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: Tell us what was over your left shoulder as you're

1155
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 3: sitting at your desk for the first time in the

1156
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: manager's room at Camden Yards?

1157
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 5: What did you do? Explain?

1158
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 4: And you got too good? Are you talking about the

1159
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 4: picture that yes, yes, but they got this big, huge

1160
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 4: mural to right out front, one of my dad. And

1161
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 4: it's a game at Camden Yards. But the scoreboards up

1162
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 4: there and they're getting hammers two in the last inning

1163
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 4: and the and the other team has faces loaded or something,

1164
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 4: And I said, are you kidding me? I said, get

1165
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 4: it out of here. I'm really and I think I

1166
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 4: actually think we had a team destroying of that picture

1167
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 4: together as a group. But we got it done. We

1168
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 4: were there almost nine or ten years. It was a

1169
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 4: lot of fun. Right good good city.

1170
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: You can tell Buck how important family is to you.

1171
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: And one of my favorite memories growing up with my

1172
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: dad was the years that I got to go to

1173
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: the Hall.

1174
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 5: Of Fame with him.

1175
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: We would drive up from Maryland to Cooperstown and it

1176
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: was great. In one year, he's driving and he brought

1177
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: Get Smart, his favorite sitcom of all time on DVD,

1178
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: and my dad told me, you know, of course, father son,

1179
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: sit front seat and chat the whole time. He said, no,

1180
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: you need to watch this show. It's my favorite sitcom.

1181
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 2: So I sat in the back. He sat in the front,

1182
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: driving the entire way, and I rifled through these episodes

1183
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: and I felt bad about twenty minutes in. I paused

1184
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: it and I said, Dad, this is kind of depressing.

1185
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just back here watching TV. That's not

1186
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: the kind of kid I am, right, And he goes,

1187
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: I am enjoying this because I'm seeing this in my mind.

1188
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: That was his favorite sitcom was Get Smart? Do you

1189
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: have a favorite sitcom that was to the love that

1190
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: my dad.

1191
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 4: Had any point in your life, have you gone to

1192
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 4: put on your shoe and put it up to your.

1193
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 5: Your yes, I have. I put my spikes up against

1194
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 5: my face watched that was not a good idea?

1195
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 4: What was it? Barbara feldon Agent.

1196
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 3: Right, Maxwell Smart was Agent eighty six yes, forty four

1197
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 3: was the guy that used to what hide out in

1198
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 3: the couch? But Buck, tell us your favorite sitcom because

1199
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: nobody knows it better than you do.

1200
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 4: Of the Andy Griffith Show. I've got all two hundred

1201
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 4: and forty nine episodes on TAY you gotta understand growing

1202
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 4: up in the South. It came on five thousand a day.

1203
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 4: The first big spinniture my wife and I made getting

1204
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 4: married three hundred and forty nine dollars, and we didn't

1205
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 4: have it. We bought a DCR recorder. We used to

1206
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 4: record the games in black and white twelve inch TV,

1207
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 4: the pix Games and the Yankees. And I'd come home

1208
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 4: from managing the Oniona Yankees or the Fort Lauerdale Yankees

1209
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 4: all and she would record the game and I would

1210
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 4: go home eat maloney sandwiches, remember the ones who used

1211
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 4: to bubble up. You had to cut the corners so

1212
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 4: they wouldn't bubble up. And I would watch the Yankee

1213
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: game on replay, and I would try to get home

1214
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 4: without knowing who won or lost. But I recorded all

1215
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: the Andy Griffith shows on off that VCR. I've got

1216
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 4: them in a closet here. Once they went the color version,

1217
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 4: and once Barney left it was kind of but I

1218
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 4: was I taped to m because I was afraid there

1219
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 4: wasn't going to be a show that I could leave

1220
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 4: the room and have my kids get something out of.

1221
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: But there was a there was a certain then and

1222
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 4: something you can learn from every show. But uh, it's

1223
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 4: stood the test of time, right, I'm still see people,

1224
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 4: you know. I got pulled over the other day, but

1225
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 4: I swear Buck.

1226
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things we did on Baseball Tonight

1227
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: was when you acted as our scout to look at

1228
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 3: what a player. What you were looking for as a

1229
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: scout in a player from the feet to the top

1230
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: of the head. So we started at the feet and

1231
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: I asked a rhetorical question. I said, so, Buck, when

1232
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: you're looking for a guy who's you're not looking for

1233
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: a guy whose feet are pointed out this way and you're.

1234
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 4: You know, tend to two feet you know, ten minutes

1235
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 4: to two o'clock, both the guys that are just just

1236
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 4: barely turned in. I understand, Jeff, there's exceptions to everything.

1237
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 4: There are exceptions, not many. But my point was, you

1238
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 4: go to a ball game, you're the scout and you're

1239
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 4: watching this kid from Irving High School in Texas and

1240
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 4: you get there and right before game time you get

1241
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 4: rained out. Okay, you got to turn in a report.

1242
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 4: What are you going to turn in? What are you

1243
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 4: going to turn in? What did you see? You know?

1244
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 4: Did you shit with the mom and dad? First thing

1245
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 4: you do. You find the mom and dad, hopefully a

1246
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 4: brother or sister, and you shit behind them. First of all,

1247
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 4: you should have gone to the homeroom teacher and the

1248
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 4: guidance counselor at the high school and talk to them.

1249
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 4: You should have seen in the parking lot what kind

1250
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 4: of car he was driving, what his girlfriend might be like,

1251
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 4: or And then you start with the body. You watch

1252
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 4: the interaction of him with his teammates, You watch the

1253
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: practice habits, you watch you know, don't be led down

1254
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 4: roads of things that anybody can do. You know, there's

1255
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 4: a certain type of fire structure, there's certain feet. You

1256
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 4: don't see guys wearing size seven in the big league.

1257
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm so sorry, Dad Ravag wears a seven. I

1258
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: usually wear a seven and a half. And we're not

1259
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: in the big leagues, that's for sure.

1260
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 4: Well you're but you're very good at what you do

1261
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 4: right the hands, but there's except like Zach Britton has

1262
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 4: has short fingers, but it helps his sinker. Mario Roavera

1263
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 4: had really long fingers which allowed him to throw through

1264
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 4: the cutter. You know certain color eyes. You you know,

1265
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 4: there's no secret that batting champions, for the most part

1266
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 4: have a certain color eyes. If you look at back

1267
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 4: when batting average meant something. So if you look at

1268
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 4: you know, I don't ever want to draft the guy

1269
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 4: out of high school if I can help it. With

1270
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 4: a full beard. You want him to be shaven once

1271
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 4: a week. Maybe, Okay, you don't want a full beard

1272
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 4: as a seventeen eighteen year old. They have already tapped out.

1273
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 4: You better like what you seek. They're not getting any bigger,

1274
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 4: any stronger.

1275
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 5: Jeter Jeter. When you saw Jeter for the first time.

1276
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 4: I don't think he's shaped to leave like twenty. He

1277
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 4: walks anyway, a hundred sixty soaking wet. Mom and Dad

1278
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 4: were great. His interaction with his sister in the dugout

1279
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 4: was perfect. He had alert eyes. He noticed things peripherally.

1280
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 4: When you watched him, he saw what was going on

1281
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 4: in different places. It wasn't like this, but you can

1282
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 4: pick up all these things without ever seeing a pitch,

1283
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 4: and then the other part is the easy part. That's

1284
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 4: the easy part, Okay. But I knew that with his upbringing,

1285
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 4: New York wasn't gonna wasn't gonna affect him. He wasn't

1286
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 4: gonna have He had a good firm base and he

1287
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 4: had his feet on the ground. That was big, right.

1288
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 3: Jeff Buck went to see a guy at Bowie double

1289
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: a one night after managing a major league game in Baltimore.

1290
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: So he went to see his kid, who hadn't seen

1291
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 3: He comes back the next day.

1292
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 5: I see him.

1293
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 3: I say, Buck, what did you think of the kid?

1294
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 3: And he said, loved him. Great face, square head. That's

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Speaker 3: how he That's how he described him, great face, squarehead.

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Speaker 3: Would you please explain what that means?

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Speaker 4: Might have been a day game of midweek, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Jim Johnson, our great closer there for years, was pitching

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01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 4: in rehab and everybody said, this guy over there, he's

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01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 4: not bad at this, but he's okay. But but I

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01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 4: kept look at him and go this guy. So we

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01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 4: got through with our game, got through with the media.

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01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 4: I walked up the tunnel there by the garbage, you

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01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 4: know there on at the cam in the yards. I

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01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 4: got in my car and I drove the buie. I

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01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,479
Speaker 4: get there, Tim, I go, come through the right field fence.

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01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 4: I'm in fuy Uni and Jim's just starting to warm

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01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 4: up the pitch, I think the eighth inning. And I

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01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 4: walked by him and the look he gave me. Wait

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Speaker 4: a minute, I just saw you on TV an hour ago. No,

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01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 4: you got me off off pasts there all the just

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01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 4: to squirt. You know, you don't like you like you

1313
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 4: like chiseled, defined features. You know, it's almost like selective.

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 4: It's like you take a I don't know you with

1315
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 4: horse races. I remember Scottie Felman meet When I met

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 4: his mother, I felt real good about it. But she

1317
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 4: was a big, strong, well of the fine woman. And

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01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 4: Scott ended up being sixty five to sixty six, but

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01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 4: he wasn't at the time. So there's so many ways

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 4: you look at players to project them. I listened to

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01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 4: the scouts all the time. Their ability to project players

1322
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 4: was always something that was a skill that you had

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01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 4: to acquire over years. Tim ra I mean, Terry Ryan

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01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 4: gave me great advice. He goes, if you ever get

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Speaker 4: a scout that has been in the area a long time,

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01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 4: and they always had at the end of the draft meetings,

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01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 4: a gut guy. Who's your gut guy? Well, that meant

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01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 4: somebody they'd known since they might have been in the

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01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 4: eighth grade. You'd known the family, you know everything. He said,

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Speaker 4: my best drafts when I took those gut guys into fourteenth, fifteenth,

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01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 4: sixteenth round. And I always remembered that because that scout

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01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 4: knew more than just his statistics. Jeff, give me a

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 4: memory of your dad growing up about baseball.

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Speaker 2: My baseball career was short lived, and no pun intended there.

1335
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't a great player. I ended up being a

1336
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: theater performer and a singer and all those good stuff,

1337
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: and my dad was super supportive of all of that.

1338
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: But I remember very specifically. My grandfather passed away when

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01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: I was only ten, and I'm named after my grandfather.

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 2: And there was a game at Darnstown Park. It's got

1341
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: one baseball field, you know. We didn't play on those

1342
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: big ones that got eight or nine and half of

1343
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: them are lit up. One ballpark right down the street

1344
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 2: from our house. And we had Nick Pack, who was

1345
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: the big Asian kid from across the town who Nick

1346
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: Pack Pak, Nick Pack and he was that kid. And

1347
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen this, and I would love your

1348
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: assessment here. He was the kid who was five foot

1349
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: nine and one hundred and sixty five pounds.

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01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 5: He was way bigger than me.

1351
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: He had a full beard, go tee or something. But

1352
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 2: he is throwing gas. And one summer we played against

1353
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 2: him every single year, and one summer he blew up

1354
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, he's this huge kid and

1355
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: he's throwing harder than everybody else, and I'm scared. I

1356
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: was afraid of the ball. And that's something we don't

1357
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: talk enough about with our kids.

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01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 5: I admit it.

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01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: It was hard when those kids got bigger and I

1360
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: stayed small. Well, I was afraid to face him. Well,

1361
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 2: ultimately I come up to the bat. I've got my

1362
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: head in there. I got my grandfather and I've got

1363
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: my dad there, and I believe it's one of the

1364
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: last games probably my grandfather saw me play. And he's

1365
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 2: throwing gas and I'm able to just get a little

1366
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: bit of the bat on the ball and hit a

1367
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: ball over the third baseman's head, a line drive, pulled it,

1368
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: puled it, got ahead of it, watched it, and I

1369
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: remember standing on second base and seeing my dad and

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to get emotional. This is what baseball

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01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: does too, right, seeing my dad and my grandfather on

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01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: their feet cheering because not only did I just hit

1373
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 2: a double in a beautiful way in baseball, I've beaten

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01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 2: it back.

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Speaker 4: I tell people all the time. It's so relevant. We

1376
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 4: won the state championship my senior year, this little bitty

1377
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 4: town coming over the hill that led into our little town.

1378
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 4: The whole city had come out to greet us coming

1379
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 4: back from South Florida, which was like being out of

1380
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 4: the country for us. We never got to leave the city,

1381
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 4: coming over the hill with all the life zone and

1382
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 4: bringing the state championship home. I still get it. I'd

1383
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 4: still get tingles about it. But it's all relevant. That

1384
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 4: is relevant to winning a playoff game or winning the world.

1385
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 4: It's all relevant. It really is. I tell people all

1386
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 4: the time. Now, don't give me going, guys, it's spent fun.

1387
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 3: Let's do it again, right, Buck, thanks so much for

1388
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 3: joining us.

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01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 5: Thanks for the laughs today. It was tremendous.

1390
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: Buck Showalter, Buck Showalter, thank you really appreciate your time.

1391
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 5: Say hi to everyone for us. Okay, God bless you guys.

1392
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Buck Showalter for joining Is

1393
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,879
Speaker 2: this a great game or what Steve Russian the great writer.

1394
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 3: Is going to be joining us now, greatest writer will

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 3: join us next week.

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01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: Which is coming from you, who has authored three books

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 2: of your own. You're a baseball writer in the Hall

1398
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:54,799
Speaker 2: of Fame, So that.

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01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 3: That is high praise and we're so excited to shout

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 3: not even close the writing ability between me and Steve Rushan.

1401
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 3: That's the difference between you and Randy Johnson in size

1402
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: and in pitching ability. That's how much better Steve Rushan

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01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 3: is than me.

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01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 5: He's incredible.

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01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: So there was one thing that kind of stuck out

1406
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 2: to me when we just talked to Buck Showalter, which

1407
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 2: was how much Derek Jeter came up in conversation here

1408
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: and I just didn't realize. I know he briefly managed

1409
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: him in the majors, but I didn't realize he had

1410
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: also managed him in minors.

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Buck was the manager when Jeter was coming up,

1412
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 3: and Jeter's first spring training, the equipment guy said, what

1413
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 3: numbers should we give.

1414
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 5: The kid for when he's ready to come to the

1415
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 5: big league?

1416
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 3: Should we give him, you know, like sixty eight sixty

1417
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: four or whatever, really high number, and Buck said, give

1418
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 3: him a single digit number. He's going to be really special.

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01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 3: That's what Buck saw at.

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01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 5: A very And you know, Jeff, they're like no single.

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01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 3: Digit numbers left for the angles, They're all taken. But

1422
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: number two was available. So Buck said, you should give

1423
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: Jeter number two. And Jeter, no matter what people tell you,

1424
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 3: Jeff Jeter is an underrated player, not an overrated player.

1425
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 3: He was incredible as a teammate as the captain of

1426
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 3: the Yankees. And I'm gonna finish with something corny here, Jeff.

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 3: After they won his fifth ring two thousand and nine,

1428
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 3: My job was to interview Derek Jeter after the game,

1429
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 3: and I'm running around with a camera chasing after him,

1430
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 3: but he won't stop because he's in a hurry. He

1431
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 3: goes off the field, he goes through the clubhouse where

1432
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,919
Speaker 3: there is a champagne celebration going on because the Yankees

1433
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 3: just won the World Series. He didn't stop to talk

1434
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 3: to a soul. He walked all the way through the

1435
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 3: clubhouse and on the other end of the was a

1436
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 3: lobby of the clubhouse, and out in the lobby was

1437
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: his mother and his father, and he went and hugged them,

1438
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 3: thanked them, and then he went in and celebrated with

1439
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: his teammates because he knew none of this happens without them.

1440
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 2: What an amazing way to wrap up today's show.

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01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 5: I'm almost and tears.

1442
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: That is such a beautiful after his fifth ring, after his.

1443
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 3: First game, right, so, no matter what you hear about him,

1444
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 3: multiplyed by ten, that's how good he is.

1445
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to yet another episode

1446
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 2: of Is This a Great Game or What? Make sure

1447
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 2: to follow wherever you listen subscribe you can watch us

1448
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 2: on YouTube as well. Full video podcasts up for you

1449
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: every week. And thank you again for being part of

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Speaker 2: our family.