1
00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,360
Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

2
00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,680
Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Volume Podcast Network.

3
00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,639
Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. I'm live

4
00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,840
Speaker 1: from my Tommy John Holmes Studio, and I'm joined as

5
00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,520
Speaker 1: always by my co host, my companion, Mike Compaedra, my

6
00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,280
Speaker 1: BFF professional better Simon Hunter. Hello, Simon, Chad.

7
00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,200
Speaker 2: Our first show of the off season.

8
00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,400
Speaker 1: First show of the off season. But you know what,

9
00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:39,560
Speaker 1: it's a special episode. I know you love gambling stories.

10
00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,800
Speaker 1: You know I love gambling stories. It's how I got

11
00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:49,280
Speaker 1: into this was just hearing good stories about people who gamble,

12
00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,400
Speaker 1: people who take risk, the language of betting, all of that,

13
00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,720
Speaker 1: the romance of it all is fascinating to me. So

14
00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,120
Speaker 1: today we're going to be joined by producer Matt Mitchell,

15
00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,839
Speaker 1: who we love to have on the show. He's always

16
00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,399
Speaker 1: he's a high quality ad as they say, he's also

17
00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,480
Speaker 1: excited for this one. He's taken us through a list

18
00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:17,880
Speaker 1: of great moments, a historical gambling history, a collection of

19
00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,840
Speaker 1: very special stories that he's curated just for you, for me,

20
00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,920
Speaker 1: our audience, who he believes are also going to love

21
00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,360
Speaker 1: these old school gambling stories. Matt I feel like you've

22
00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,480
Speaker 1: been dreaming about this. This is tailor made for you.

23
00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,560
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very excited to present two special great moments

24
00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,480
Speaker 3: in American gambling history to you guys and to our audience.

25
00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,160
Speaker 3: And this is a very unusual episode. Typically we take

26
00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,600
Speaker 3: some time off after the season, but I want to

27
00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,080
Speaker 3: make sure that we continue to deliver episodes. If you're

28
00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,280
Speaker 3: on a treadmill, or you're commuting to work, you're in

29
00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,280
Speaker 3: the subway, or you're holding hands with your mom, bouncing

30
00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,640
Speaker 3: out a trampoline, whatever it is that you do when

31
00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,680
Speaker 3: you listen to the show every week, you still have

32
00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,680
Speaker 3: something to join you in the timeless of evocative medium

33
00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,280
Speaker 3: of audio.

34
00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,880
Speaker 1: Chad, this is going to be the Matt Mitchell episode,

35
00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,720
Speaker 1: But I feel like this is a a combination of

36
00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,840
Speaker 1: how I built this and Drunk History. Remember the show

37
00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:17,600
Speaker 1: Drunk History.

38
00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,560
Speaker 3: Yes, this is very similar to that except so yes,

39
00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,960
Speaker 3: I love that show.

40
00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,000
Speaker 1: Was when I favorites. We actually did this when we

41
00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,960
Speaker 1: first started Action. I remember I wanted to do shows

42
00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,959
Speaker 1: that were like Drunk History for gambling. Do you remember this, Matt,

43
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,600
Speaker 1: and we did? I like, you know, Terry Glenn catching

44
00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,720
Speaker 1: that pass from Doug from Drew Bledsoe to beat the

45
00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,799
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and we did drunk History, bad Beats, Yeah,

46
00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,760
Speaker 1: and it was super fun, really really fun. So I'm

47
00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,200
Speaker 1: excited to do this today and I'm glad you had

48
00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,600
Speaker 1: this idea. I always like getting Matt Mitchell. The more

49
00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,560
Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell on the show, the better. As a reminder

50
00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,720
Speaker 1: of the Favorites podcast is presented by Bet three six

51
00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,919
Speaker 1: five and now new Bet three six five. Customers get

52
00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,360
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty dollars bonus bets when you bet

53
00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,000
Speaker 1: five dollars, sign up using promo code Favorites, deposit ten dollars,

54
00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,840
Speaker 1: place a bet for five dollars to get one hundred

55
00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,360
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars in bonus bets. Those bonus bets can

56
00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,600
Speaker 1: be used on spreads told as player props, futures, and more.

57
00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,560
Speaker 1: Whatever the moment, It's never ordinary. At Bet three sixty five.

58
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,320
Speaker 1: Must be twenty one or older in present in Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana,

59
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,760
Speaker 1: North Carolina, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, or eighteen and

60
00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,480
Speaker 1: older in Kentucky. Gambling problem called one eight hundred gambler

61
00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,200
Speaker 1: or one eight hundred bets off in Iowa terms. Conditions

62
00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,920
Speaker 1: restrictions apply before we get into the storytelling we are having.

63
00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,320
Speaker 1: I mentioned this on Tuesday. We're having another live event.

64
00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,240
Speaker 1: This is going to be March twenty ninth, Joe's on

65
00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,000
Speaker 1: Weed in Chicago. That's the name of the street Weed.

66
00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,960
Speaker 1: Joe's on Weed in Chicago, my hometown. We did Sigmon's

67
00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,600
Speaker 1: hometown in December and Philly. We're doing Chicago in March.

68
00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:57,240
Speaker 3: Guys, I am unbelievably excited about this live event. I

69
00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,600
Speaker 3: was hoping we could do it in Chicago. We were

70
00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,160
Speaker 3: able to convince them of that. I was hoping we

71
00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,040
Speaker 3: do it at Joe's Joe's barr on Weed Street commonly

72
00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,440
Speaker 3: and affectionately known as Joe's Onweed. We got that. I

73
00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,440
Speaker 3: was hoping it would be from March twenty ninth, the

74
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,160
Speaker 3: evening of the Elite eight. We got that. I think

75
00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:18,040
Speaker 3: we'll have an absolute blast. RSVP site is not quite ready,

76
00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,600
Speaker 3: but please save the date. It will be March twenty ninth,

77
00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,279
Speaker 3: Joe's Onweed, Chicago, Illinois, for the exciting launch of BET

78
00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,800
Speaker 3: three six ' five in Illinois. So market calendar's March

79
00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:30,880
Speaker 3: twenty ninth, and.

80
00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,719
Speaker 1: We're going to have some special college basketball guests.

81
00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,280
Speaker 3: Right absolutely, we will almost certainly be joined by by

82
00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,640
Speaker 3: Stuckey and some others from the Action universe. It'll be

83
00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,960
Speaker 3: a great time. Whether or not you care about the

84
00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,560
Speaker 3: Elite eight, just come because it's going to be an

85
00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,520
Speaker 3: absolute riot.

86
00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,200
Speaker 1: Save the date March twenty ninth. Matt, you're basically doing

87
00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,200
Speaker 1: your life's goal here, which is co opting the show completely.

88
00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,359
Speaker 1: So I will do my best hosting here and just

89
00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,920
Speaker 1: past the baton to you, can you please tell us

90
00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:10,479
Speaker 1: what happened to Captain Patten and Mary Anne Patton?

91
00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,719
Speaker 3: All right, So this first story is the story of

92
00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,560
Speaker 3: an American clipper ship called Neptune's Car in the year

93
00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,400
Speaker 3: eighteen fifty three.

94
00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,279
Speaker 1: Boy, every listener is so excited they definitely did not

95
00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,640
Speaker 1: fast forward till we get to the ad reads.

96
00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, Chad, your excitement is palpable. One of the

97
00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,359
Speaker 3: hardest parts about doing stories like this is for the listener,

98
00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,640
Speaker 3: what are you supposed to be picturing? So I'm going

99
00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,840
Speaker 3: to do you a favor here. I'm going to kind

100
00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,280
Speaker 3: of instruct you on what you should be visualizing, okay,

101
00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,120
Speaker 3: because this is a long time ago, all right, So

102
00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,520
Speaker 3: for listeners at home, for Neptune's Car, you just picture

103
00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,800
Speaker 3: a big ass wooden sailing ship. It's a beautiful, bold

104
00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,080
Speaker 3: ship with sales in the whole thing. When you picture

105
00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,719
Speaker 3: who owns the ship, the financiers kind of behind the ship,

106
00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,640
Speaker 3: I want you to just picture the owners and operators

107
00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,400
Speaker 3: of the Cleveland Browns. Okay, we'll use the Browns as

108
00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,320
Speaker 3: our extended metaphor. I thought for sure you were gonna

109
00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,920
Speaker 3: say me, no, no, it's you'll see why at the end.

110
00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,440
Speaker 3: It's basically the Cleveland Browns go to see all right.

111
00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,400
Speaker 3: So this ship, Neptune's Car, takes her maiden voyage from

112
00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,720
Speaker 3: New York City in eighteen fifty three, and it's a

113
00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,320
Speaker 3: total disaster. The captain worked the crew so hard that

114
00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,320
Speaker 3: there's a mutiny and he threatened to kill all of them.

115
00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,120
Speaker 3: And by the time they get back to New York,

116
00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,440
Speaker 3: everything's a total mess, Cleveland Brown style. So for the

117
00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,720
Speaker 3: next voyage, these eighteen fifties Browns, they need a new captain.

118
00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,240
Speaker 1: Okay.

119
00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,159
Speaker 3: So on about twelve hours notice, they land on a

120
00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,359
Speaker 3: guy named Captain Joshua Patten, and Captain Patten had just

121
00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,280
Speaker 3: married his wife, Mary Anne, who was just shy of

122
00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,400
Speaker 3: her sixteenth birthday, as was the style at the time.

123
00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,200
Speaker 3: So we've got Captain Patten and we got his teen bride,

124
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,080
Speaker 3: Mary Anne, for this first trip on the on Neptune's car.

125
00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,080
Speaker 3: Mary Ann insists on joining her husband, Captain Patten, which

126
00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,000
Speaker 3: was extremely unusual, but her father was a sea captain.

127
00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,080
Speaker 3: She loved to see her husband's like sounds great, why not?

128
00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,800
Speaker 3: So they set sail around the world.

129
00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:20,960
Speaker 1: What could go wrong?

130
00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:21,320
Speaker 3: Yep?

131
00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,520
Speaker 1: With my sixteen year old bride on a round the

132
00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,080
Speaker 1: world voyage and a seafolo crewman.

133
00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,400
Speaker 3: It's gonna go great, and indeed it does. The entire voyage.

134
00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,200
Speaker 3: Mary Anne, who again is not an official member of

135
00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,920
Speaker 3: the Browns for the purposes of this metaphor, she's teaching

136
00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,360
Speaker 3: herself navigation, She's showing herself how to use charts, she's

137
00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,120
Speaker 3: learning medicine. She's just being a real kind of young

138
00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,280
Speaker 3: go getter here. And they go from New York around

139
00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,560
Speaker 3: the bottom of South America. I remember there's no Panama

140
00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,920
Speaker 3: Canal yet, that's like seventy five years away, so you

141
00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,080
Speaker 3: got to go the long way around South America. They

142
00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,800
Speaker 3: go to San Francisco, they go to China, then they

143
00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,400
Speaker 3: go to London, they go back to New York, game

144
00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:07,400
Speaker 3: balls all around. Huge success. Wow, incredible job, Captain Patten.

145
00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,840
Speaker 3: Maybe this chip isn't cursed after all. Here is where

146
00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,760
Speaker 3: the gambling comes in. When it's time for the next

147
00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,040
Speaker 3: trip from New York to San Francisco the Cleveland Brown's ownership. Here,

148
00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,240
Speaker 3: they discover that there are three other ships making this

149
00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,200
Speaker 3: journey at about the same time. So in addition to

150
00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,760
Speaker 3: all the money they have tied up in this operation,

151
00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,840
Speaker 3: they make a very large wager with those other boats

152
00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,040
Speaker 3: to see who's going to get to San Francisco first.

153
00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,920
Speaker 3: Obviously a proud and time honored tradition of rich pres

154
00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,000
Speaker 3: betting against other rich pres based on people they employ.

155
00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,640
Speaker 3: You know all about this chip. So normally the departure

156
00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,360
Speaker 3: date for a trip like this would have a little

157
00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,040
Speaker 3: bit of flexibility. But because there's now a big ass

158
00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,280
Speaker 3: bet on who gets there first, the Browns here they

159
00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,559
Speaker 3: need Neptune's car to get the hell out of here

160
00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,240
Speaker 3: right away. But as Captain Patten is preparing the ship

161
00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, for voyage number two here, he runs into

162
00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,320
Speaker 3: three problems. So problem number one, first mate breaks his leg,

163
00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,240
Speaker 3: So you got to replace the first mate.

164
00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,319
Speaker 1: How don't break his leg.

165
00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,520
Speaker 3: Do we know I'm getting to the ship ready, ship

166
00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,439
Speaker 3: stuff chat. I'm a man of the land.

167
00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a see I just want you to know

168
00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have questions.

169
00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,880
Speaker 3: That's great. I'm happy to answer all of your questions,

170
00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,320
Speaker 3: just like in real life, as patiently and as calmly

171
00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,080
Speaker 3: as I answer the questions of my own children. So

172
00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,079
Speaker 3: you need a new first mate. And sometimes if it's

173
00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,160
Speaker 3: a close call, you can just elevate the second mate,

174
00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,000
Speaker 3: like when Cleveland started Bailey Zappy instead of Dorian Thompson Robinson,

175
00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,240
Speaker 3: and it's like, who fucking cares. But as it turns out,

176
00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,360
Speaker 3: it is crucial that a first mate be able to

177
00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,880
Speaker 3: read stuff, and the second mate in this case, he

178
00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,400
Speaker 3: couldn't read for shit. So it was more like when

179
00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,720
Speaker 3: Kyle Allen was backing up Josh Allen, like it's totally

180
00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,240
Speaker 3: different classes here, so it won't work. But the Browns say, hey,

181
00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,440
Speaker 3: no problem, and they go out and they just grabbed

182
00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,400
Speaker 3: the first literate sailor. They can find a guy named

183
00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,839
Speaker 3: William Keeler and they say, hey, capt'n Patten, we found

184
00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,120
Speaker 3: your first mate. He can read and everything. So as

185
00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,560
Speaker 3: far as they were concerned, problem number one is now solved.

186
00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,679
Speaker 1: Speaking of betting on employees, we had a bet on

187
00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,800
Speaker 1: who would be the first person to ultimately take down

188
00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,360
Speaker 1: this show. I put my money on you. Simon put

189
00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,040
Speaker 1: it on Gifford, and I feel like Simon and about you,

190
00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,640
Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm gonna win this bet. You

191
00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:30,440
Speaker 1: want to weigh in on that.

192
00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,640
Speaker 2: I would have bet on that as well. I can't

193
00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,120
Speaker 2: believe you said I bet on Gifford. No, it's Guy Mitchell.

194
00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,959
Speaker 2: Have you seen this made social media presence? Oh my god.

195
00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,800
Speaker 2: Every time he tweets, I'm like, oh my god, is

196
00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,040
Speaker 2: this the one?

197
00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,400
Speaker 1: All right? Matt? Keep going all right?

198
00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,840
Speaker 3: So they grabbed this litterate sailor. They find a replacement

199
00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,440
Speaker 3: for the first mate, but Captain Pattin's he's feeling pretty sick.

200
00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,679
Speaker 3: He should probably rest for a day or two. And

201
00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,079
Speaker 3: his third problem is Mary Anne Wie, who's down nineteen.

202
00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,760
Speaker 3: She's pregnant, So we got an emergency fill in first mate.

203
00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,360
Speaker 3: Captain Patten's not feeling so great. His wife, she's pregnant.

204
00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,760
Speaker 1: Not to interrupt you again, this has the classic makings

205
00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,400
Speaker 1: of how to handicap right. Everyone would have thought, oh

206
00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,680
Speaker 1: my god, they did so well, on the first one,

207
00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,559
Speaker 1: they're amazing. We got to bet on them. In this

208
00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,360
Speaker 1: second one, no one's accounting for aggression. But also you

209
00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,040
Speaker 1: really got to be inside Neptune's car to understand the center.

210
00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,600
Speaker 1: You got to go to a backup center because the

211
00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,240
Speaker 1: first center is struggling and he's injured. So now you're

212
00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,920
Speaker 1: bringing them a backup and people are like, oh, it

213
00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,240
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter the first mate. It's not the most

214
00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,480
Speaker 1: important person. But it turns out first mate, like a center,

215
00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,080
Speaker 1: incredibly important. Right, So now you're at the third string center,

216
00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,319
Speaker 1: and that's terrible for the cohesiveness of the offensive line.

217
00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,880
Speaker 1: And you don't know that your quarterback is sick, like

218
00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,720
Speaker 1: that's not something that shows up on the injury report

219
00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,480
Speaker 1: for these teams and these boats. So now all of

220
00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, we got a lot of circumstances that you know,

221
00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,200
Speaker 1: if you're handicapping, this is starting to look pretty bad

222
00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,800
Speaker 1: for Nipson's car. Which start as a favorite.

223
00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,560
Speaker 3: Two classic issues that we run into all the time

224
00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,120
Speaker 3: are about to rear their ugly heads, jed volatility and

225
00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,480
Speaker 3: cluster injuries. So here we go. All right, so we

226
00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,680
Speaker 3: got these three problems, but the Browns as usual, have

227
00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,040
Speaker 3: the perfect solution. They say, rub some fucking dirt on

228
00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,240
Speaker 3: it. It's time for kickoff, and these sons of bitches set

229
00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,160
Speaker 3: sail for San Francisco on time, and again no Panama Canal.

230
00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,000
Speaker 3: So it's thirty thousand nautical miles away around the bottom

231
00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,920
Speaker 3: of the earth, packed to San Francisco. And immediately this

232
00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,720
Speaker 3: trip is a total fucking nightmare because one of the

233
00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,400
Speaker 3: first jobs of a first mate, in this case, this

234
00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,920
Speaker 3: villain William Keeler, you have to navigate when the captain

235
00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,600
Speaker 3: goes to sleep. But every time he takes over, he

236
00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,360
Speaker 3: keeps fucking it up and he puts them off course,

237
00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,800
Speaker 3: and he's finally so insubordinate that Captain Patton just goes,

238
00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,080
Speaker 3: you know what, and he just chains them up in

239
00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,240
Speaker 3: his room. He goes, you are totally I'm just going

240
00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,839
Speaker 3: to lock you away, and the second mate and third

241
00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,120
Speaker 3: mate are totally hapless. They end up they can't really

242
00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,800
Speaker 3: do anything. It's truly a Cleveland Brown's quarterback room situation.

243
00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,440
Speaker 3: It's a Boston two losers. So now Captain Patten's like, great, great,

244
00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,800
Speaker 3: I guess I can't go to sleep. He just stays

245
00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,480
Speaker 3: up NonStop, using his wife to help navigate, and it's

246
00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,120
Speaker 3: freezing cold, and they make it to the tip right

247
00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,720
Speaker 3: by Antarctica, and he's been awake for eight days straight

248
00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,120
Speaker 3: now and he just collapses. He's on a commission. The

249
00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,439
Speaker 3: Browns are so inept they essentially almost kill their coach.

250
00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,040
Speaker 3: Captain Patton has caught pneumonia, but as I mentioned, he

251
00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,760
Speaker 3: was already feeling pretty sick before they left, and that's

252
00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,599
Speaker 3: because he has tuberculosis meningitis, which has now left him

253
00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,520
Speaker 3: totally deaf and blind. He is totally cooked. So now

254
00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,480
Speaker 3: Mary Patton, the pregnant nineteen year old wife, she takes

255
00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,520
Speaker 3: control of the ship and the navigation, and she has

256
00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,720
Speaker 3: to take care of her essentially Comato's husband. And there

257
00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,920
Speaker 3: are icebergs and storms at all sorts of shit because

258
00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,400
Speaker 3: they're by again Antarctica, and they're only halfway there. They

259
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,479
Speaker 3: couldn't be further away from both their homeport and their destination.

260
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,520
Speaker 3: And there's still a ton of pressure on them because

261
00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,480
Speaker 3: there's a huge bet they have to win to beat

262
00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,560
Speaker 3: these three other ships. Because they were making great time chrise,

263
00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,120
Speaker 3: their captain wasn't sleeping. So they get around the horn

264
00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,440
Speaker 3: and they start heading north and immediately the first mate,

265
00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,080
Speaker 3: this guy William Keeler. He's locked up in his room.

266
00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,920
Speaker 3: He hears that the captain is totally cooked, so he

267
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,240
Speaker 3: tries to stage a mutiny to get unlocked and take over.

268
00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,800
Speaker 3: But the crew's like, you know what, this lady Maryanne's

269
00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,520
Speaker 3: doing a good job. She can read stuff. She's not

270
00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,040
Speaker 3: trying to cause a mutiny. I think it's gonna be okay.

271
00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,640
Speaker 3: So she thinks, great, I've won the starting job. It's

272
00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,840
Speaker 3: gonna be okay. And then out of nowhere, Captain Patten

273
00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,920
Speaker 3: wakes up out of his coma right, he's got his

274
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,360
Speaker 3: site back, but it still seems like he's totally scrambled

275
00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,480
Speaker 3: eggs because he benches her and orders Keeler unchained and

276
00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,360
Speaker 3: he can take over. And Keeller immediately tells Mary Anne, Hey, great,

277
00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,040
Speaker 3: now you can go play nurse. I'm gonna take over

278
00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,880
Speaker 3: within two days. She's looking out the window and she's

279
00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,600
Speaker 3: convinced we're definitely going off course. He wouldn't let her,

280
00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,240
Speaker 3: you know, have access to any of any of the

281
00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,880
Speaker 3: navigation stuff. And again, I'm a man of the land.

282
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't know like how one can make one's own compass,

283
00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,280
Speaker 3: but she does. She figures it out and she proves

284
00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,600
Speaker 3: it to the scrambled eggs. Captain Hey, we're headed in

285
00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,680
Speaker 3: the wrong direction and it works. He commands her back

286
00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,720
Speaker 3: in charge. Marian gets the starting job back in place,

287
00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,760
Speaker 3: Keeler gets locked up again, and then Captain Patten slips

288
00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,560
Speaker 3: back into a coma. He's deaf and blind. We won't

289
00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,400
Speaker 3: hear from him again. But here's the best part. Are

290
00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,800
Speaker 3: you ready? As it turns out, mutiny Boy William Keeler

291
00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,040
Speaker 3: the last minute replacement. He wasn't simply an incompetent asshole

292
00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,680
Speaker 3: Chad and Simon. He was throwing the fight he'd bet

293
00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,120
Speaker 3: he'd bet on the other ship. He was intentionally fucking

294
00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,520
Speaker 3: with Neptune's car, his own vessel because he was point

295
00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,960
Speaker 3: shaving on the high seas.

296
00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,119
Speaker 1: That is crazy.

297
00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,080
Speaker 3: So now Marianne is incredibly pissed, just like my wife

298
00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,680
Speaker 3: was the entire time. She was six months pregnant and

299
00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,560
Speaker 3: they just start hauling ass north. She's totally exhausted. She

300
00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,920
Speaker 3: ends up wearing the same clothes for two months straight.

301
00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,840
Speaker 3: And when she finally steers them into San Francisco Bay,

302
00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,320
Speaker 3: mutiny Boy William Keeler gets a crew man to unchain

303
00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,080
Speaker 3: him and he slips out and he jumps overboard and

304
00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,120
Speaker 3: swims away, never to be heard from again. And in

305
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,440
Speaker 3: the most Cleveland Browns ending of this entire thing, when

306
00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,560
Speaker 3: they finally arrive in port after surviving these unimaginable hardships,

307
00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,360
Speaker 3: the terrible weather, the brutal conditions, the blind deaf captain,

308
00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,760
Speaker 3: the nautical point shaving, they get off the ship and

309
00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,240
Speaker 3: they go, hey, hey, do we win? Do we beat

310
00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,080
Speaker 3: the other four ships? They finished second Chad, their owners

311
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,400
Speaker 3: lose their bat on a truly terrible beat, and lucky

312
00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,000
Speaker 3: for them, lucky for the Browns, they get to refuse

313
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,640
Speaker 3: to pay Captain Patten the five thousand dollars they hel

314
00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,399
Speaker 3: him because he was basically dead half the time, and

315
00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,560
Speaker 3: they don't have to pay Mary Patten anything because she

316
00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,240
Speaker 3: doesn't even work for him. So, like I said, the

317
00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,719
Speaker 3: perfect ending for a Cleveland Browns allegory. And that is

318
00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,800
Speaker 3: the story of Neptune's car Maryann Patten, the first woman

319
00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,720
Speaker 3: to command an American ship, and the hero of an

320
00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,879
Speaker 3: epic historical bad beat.

321
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,960
Speaker 1: I can't believe that. It's a beautiful story and excellent

322
00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,679
Speaker 1: work researching it. I know it was a labor of

323
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,640
Speaker 1: love for you. I'm just so disappointed that there were

324
00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,040
Speaker 1: nefarious deeds taking place with related to gambling in the

325
00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,360
Speaker 1: nineteenth century. Yeah, when it came to ship captaining, those

326
00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,280
Speaker 1: people all seemed pretty much and I say this pun

327
00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,760
Speaker 1: intended above board?

328
00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,720
Speaker 3: Wow did you when did you think of that? Right

329
00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,879
Speaker 3: after I said nefarious? Incredible, well done to put a

330
00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,520
Speaker 3: bow on this. What happens to them? Afterwards? Marianne and

331
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,800
Speaker 3: Captain Patten returned to Boston finally put him in an asylum.

332
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,960
Speaker 3: He dies shortly thereafter. She gives birth successfully, and then

333
00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,679
Speaker 3: she also gets sick and dies four years later at

334
00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,600
Speaker 3: the age of twenty four. And now the hospital at

335
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,040
Speaker 3: the US Merchant Marine Academy in Kingsport, New York is

336
00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,159
Speaker 3: named after her. And that's the end of that.

337
00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,800
Speaker 1: Wow, how did you find this story?

338
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,480
Speaker 3: Ched? I was able to do exhaustive research. I've always

339
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,320
Speaker 3: got my ears to the gambling streets. Those ears stretch

340
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:32,280
Speaker 3: back hundreds of years.

341
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:32,520
Speaker 1: Ched.

342
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,679
Speaker 3: But one of the best sources for many gambling stories,

343
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,920
Speaker 3: which I absolutely love, which I will quote many times from,

344
00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,600
Speaker 3: is Roll the Bones The History of Gambling, an absolutely

345
00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,000
Speaker 3: incredible book by David G. Schwartz. This is a totally

346
00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,480
Speaker 3: unpaid plug. I've read this book four times. It's not

347
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,800
Speaker 3: a new book, but Roll the Bones. If you know

348
00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,760
Speaker 3: someone is that is literate, like a good first mate,

349
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,200
Speaker 3: and likes gambling, it's a great book.

350
00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 1: I highly recommend that Matt. I know David Schwartz. I

351
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,960
Speaker 1: know Roll the Bones because I've interviewed David Schwartz many,

352
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 1: many times. He's a sort of gambling historian and professor

353
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 1: at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

354
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I've read the book. Check at Chad. I'm glad

355
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 3: that you too have such a cozy relationship.

356
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 1: That's wow. Well listen, if you made it this far

357
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,320
Speaker 1: and you want to make extra money daily from your

358
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,320
Speaker 1: sports betting, Simon knows. I'm always trying to find ways

359
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 1: to take sports betting to the next level. That's why

360
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm excited to tell you about edge boost, the financial

361
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 1: platform that pays you cash back to wager. Edge Boost

362
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,160
Speaker 1: is an online bank account that pays you for every

363
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,840
Speaker 1: deposit with the edge Boost Visa debit card, you receive

364
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,679
Speaker 1: up to half a percent cash back on all your

365
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 1: sports book, daily fantasy site, and casino transactions. That's free

366
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 1: money back in your pocket for doing what you're already doing.

367
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 1: It's a no brainer. Plus, your edge boost debit card

368
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 1: starts with the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars daily

369
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 1: and it will never be declined for gambling activity. They've

370
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 1: got built in tools to help you stay responsible, and

371
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 1: there are absolutely no hidden fees or minimum required balance

372
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: to stop leaving money on the table. Visit edgeboost dot

373
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: bet today to learn more and sign up. That's edgeboost

374
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 1: dot bet Simon. We are left with no football for

375
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 1: more than six months, but now we can focus on

376
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 1: what really matters our own personal comfort. That's right. After

377
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 1: months of selflessly serving our audience with free betting picks

378
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 1: and analysis week after week and month after month, it's

379
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 1: time for us to look inward. And as we look inward,

380
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: we must first look down down at our incredibly comfortable

381
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 1: timing John Underwear the cornerstone of our personal comfort. By

382
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: providing us with comfortable with the most comfortable underwear, shirts

383
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 1: and casual essentials, the grind of the NFL season never

384
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: broke our dwarf joyful spirits nor clouded our clear eye

385
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: decision making you enjoyed a wonderful NFL season. It's time

386
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 1: to relish the off season, do yourself and your loved

387
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: ones at favor the unrivaled comfort and flexibility of our

388
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 1: beloved sponsor Tommy John into your life. Simon, why will

389
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: you be wearing more Tommy John in twenty twenty.

390
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: Five because comfort is king.

391
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: Right now, you can shop Tommy John dot com slash

392
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: favorites and get twenty five percent off your first order.

393
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: Save twenty five percent at Tommy John dot com slash favorites.

394
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 1: That's Tommy John dot com slash favorites. All right, Matt,

395
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: do we have your second story?

396
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,719
Speaker 3: Yes, this is the story of Andrew Jackson, a breathed

397
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 3: glimpse into one of America's most maniac gambling presidents. So

398
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 3: in this story, I'm going to be using some dollar figures,

399
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 3: and instead of just saying a number like fifteen hundred dollars,

400
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say the amount of money in today's money,

401
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 3: so that we can just be kind of singing off

402
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 3: the same sheet of music here. So just kind of

403
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 3: keep that in mind, all right. So, in the early

404
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, America was rapidly banding westward, and it was

405
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 3: a time of a great excitement on the American frontier

406
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: because I can't overstate how unbelievably boring life on the

407
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 3: frontier really was. I can totally see why if you're,

408
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: you know, just trying to chop a tree down or whatever,

409
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 3: you know, skin a beaver, playing cards would be just

410
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 3: about the most exciting thing in the whole world.

411
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: I feel like anybody listening to this podcast has a

412
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 1: very clear idea of what that journey was like.

413
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: Everyone here is can really picture that. So politicians of

414
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: that era, especially frontier politicians, they loved to gamble. Many

415
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 3: of them were incredibly skilled players, for example Henry Clay

416
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: of Kentucky, Daniel Webster of Massachusetts. These guys were real

417
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 3: card sharks. But this story is going to focus on

418
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: their great political adversary in one of America's all time

419
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: sons of bitches, Old Hickory himself, Andrew Jackson of Tennessee.

420
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: Jackson loved the Ponies because he was an incredibly skillful writer.

421
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: And why was he skillful? Well, he was born in

422
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: seventeen sixty seven to Scott's Irish parents. And if you

423
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 3: know anything about the Scots or the Irish, you know

424
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: they hate the English, isn't that right? Simon facts When

425
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: young Andrew Jackson was a kid with a burning hatred

426
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 3: for the English he'd received from his parents. He served

427
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: as a messenger for the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War,

428
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: and he was dope at it because it required a

429
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: lot of bravery, but the kind of bravery where you

430
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: don't consider kind of personal consequences, exactly like being a gambler.

431
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: You also have to be a great writer, and Jackson

432
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: was indeed a great writer. He ended up getting captured

433
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: and imprisoned by the British at the age of twelve. Truly,

434
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: ride or Die literally and spoiler alert, America wins the

435
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,959
Speaker 3: Revolutionary War, and by the time Jackson was thirty eight

436
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: years old, he was a major general in the Tennessee Militia.

437
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: He was a US representative. He'd already gotten rich and

438
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: then almost bankrupt, and rich again and bankrupt again. But

439
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: by the time Tennessee gained statehood he was a pretty

440
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 3: big deal. He already owned several race horses, and one

441
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: that he particularly loved was a horse called Indian Queen,

442
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 3: and Jackson challenged his neighbor, a guy with the incredible

443
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: name of Lazarus Cotton, and Lazarus Cotton owned greyhound the

444
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: fastest horse in the South, and they had a big

445
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: race with multiple heats, and Greyhound absolutely whips Indian Queen's

446
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: ass and Jackson is deeply embarrassed. So Jackson is determined

447
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 3: to be Greyhound and he knows a horse that can

448
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: do it. The horse is called Truxton, and that presents

449
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: two problems. The first is obviously that he doesn't own Truxton,

450
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 3: and the second problem is that Truxton had just raced

451
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: Greyhound and had lost. But luckily, problem number two kind

452
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 3: of solves problem number one because the loss of Truxton

453
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 3: to Greyhound had basically bankrupted his owner. So Andrew Jackson

454
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: slides up and he offers this guy a hell of

455
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: a deal. He says, listen, bro, if you let me

456
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 3: borrow Truxton, I will pay off debts, I'll get you

457
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: out of your jam, and I'm gonna train Truxton to

458
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: run a big race. And if he wins that race,

459
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 3: dex ball, I get to buy Truckston for forty grand

460
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: and I'll give you five other horses. And the guy says,

461
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: all right, you said up a bit, you got yourself

462
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: a deal. So now Andrew Jackson has his dream horse,

463
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: trucks him, and he reaches out to his neighbor, Lazarus

464
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: Cotton again and he says, let's run a back. Baby says,

465
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: I just bought Truxton, the one year horse just beat.

466
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: But there's a new trainer in town. That's me. So he,

467
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: Jackson and Coddon agree to a race. But Jackson says,

468
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: this time, I'm all in, and I remember he just

469
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: paid off this guy's debts. It's a little strapped for cash.

470
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: So like, what is all in for a thirty eight

471
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: year old Andrew Jackson? What's that look like? Well, in

472
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: like a cash and prizes sense, like in a price

473
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: is right showcase showdown value? It was one hundred and

474
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: forty thousand dollars today's money. One hundred thousand of that

475
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: was in cash and another forty thousand in Jackson's clothes.

476
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: Valued that another forty grand. Wow, talk about a closed horse,

477
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: good Boomer vernacular. Incredible.

478
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: Just to do what I can do, what I can

479
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: to contribute.

480
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: Here, Absolutely huge wager. He's betting the closed off his

481
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: back and back. Then, Chad, no odds, this is just

482
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: straight up He's just gonna bet him a one hundred

483
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: and forty grand straight up great baller. Now it's set,

484
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 3: Jackson has to start training truckst and he does so

485
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: like an absolute savage. He tells people he's gonna run

486
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: the horse incredibly hard, to instill a will to win

487
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: in this animal, just like classic maniac stuff. And everyone thinks, Okay,

488
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: Jackson's killing this horse. There's no way he's gonna win

489
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: this race. The horse already fucking lost to Greyhound already.

490
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: So when race day comes to Nashville, everybody rolls up.

491
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: It's an unbelievably exciting enterprise here in an incredibly boring

492
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: place and incredibly boring part of American history. So this

493
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: is the most exciting thing that's like ever happened ever.

494
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: Report from this race says that gambling there is absolutely

495
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: out of control. There's a congressman in attendance who says

496
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 3: multiple people are betting their entire properties, like six hundred

497
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: plus acre properties. People are going full Jackson. They're betting

498
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: all their clothes. You watch a guy take off his

499
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: riding gloves and just bet the guy next to him,

500
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: Like everybody has got gambling fever for this giant race.

501
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: Even the jockey that Jackson hires, he bets his entire

502
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: net worth on himself. He even uses horses he doesn't

503
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 3: even own to make more bets. And then finally Chad,

504
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 3: they're gonna do the race. It's the eighteen to oh

505
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: five version of Muhammad Ali versus Joe Fraser. It's Truxton

506
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: Greyhound two. This one's for all the clothes and Truxton

507
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: absolutely crushes Greyhound, huge win. Jackson wins a shitload of money.

508
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: The old owner of Truxton he gets his prize money.

509
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: Both men are totally bailed out. The jockey doubles his

510
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: net worth. Believable. Andrew Jackson just a total gambling maniac.

511
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: And you could kind of picture the equivalent of a

512
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: guy like this today, fun little bonus nugget. Twenty years

513
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: after this race, Andrew Jackson runs for president and he's

514
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: running against John Quincy Adams. It's a classic matchup. You

515
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 3: got a Southern maniac versus a pedigreed Northeastern fancy boy.

516
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: I wonder who you would be. And Jackson wins the

517
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: popular vote, but it's too close to call, so the

518
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: election goes to the House of Representatives and John Quincy

519
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: Adams takes the White House. Jackson's furious about it, and

520
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: he blames his old adversary, the card shark Henry Clay.

521
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: He thinks they broke it, some kind of crooked deal.

522
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: Stop the steal. All very familiar stuff does. But during

523
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: the election, Jackson had painted John Quincy Adams as this

524
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: pansy boy, right, this pansy puritan. But after entering the

525
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: White House, John Quincy Adams is like, oh shit, I'm

526
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: gonna have to talk to like a lot of foreign dignitaries.

527
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: I gotta find something for them to do. They all

528
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: love billiards, Europeans love playing pool. So Adams gets an

529
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: old pool table and he has it refurbished, and he

530
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: buys the sticks and the balls and all that shit,

531
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: like some you know, midwestern dad redoing his reck room,

532
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: except it's the White House. When Andrew Jackson, who just

533
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: lost the election to him, he hears about this, He's like,

534
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: oh my god, yes, I'm gonna fucking bury this guy

535
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: for this, and he manufactures an entire scandal, saying he

536
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: can't believe the president would use tax money for quote,

537
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: gaming tables and gambling equipment, and says betting inside the

538
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: White House would quote shock and alarm the religious and

539
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: moral part of this country, and John Quincy Adams is like, bro,

540
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: what the fuck are you talking about? I bought the

541
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: table with my own money and I'm not even using

542
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: it to bet. It's just like bullshit with ambassadors. And

543
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: obviously they call out that Jackson is a known enormous

544
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: maniac gambler and loves betting on cards and horses and

545
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: cock fights and anything else. Jackson had challenged the dude

546
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: to a duel over a canceled horse race. He got

547
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: shot in the chest in that duel and still killed

548
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: the other guy. Like not a kind of guy you're

549
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: gonna take a lot of shit about gambling from. But

550
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: it didn't matter. Scandal totally works. The next election is

551
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: a rematch Adams Jackson's full of dirty tricks and all

552
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: sorts of bullshit, but just like Truxton Greyhound two, this

553
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: one's for all the clothes. Jackson, as a maniac, beats

554
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: Adams wins the presidency, and to end the story, when

555
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: Jackson goes to DC, he immediately strong arms Congress. He

556
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: makes them renovate the White House stables so he can

557
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: bring all of his famous horses with him, And that

558
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: is just a glimpse into the Life a President Andrew Jackson,

559
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: American gambling psychopath.

560
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: What do you think of that one? Simon?

561
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: Honestly, not shocking, because if you do go through American history,

562
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: all these presidents have had pretty wild lives, right, And

563
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: I didn't know all that about him and horse racing.

564
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: Though I knew he was a gambler, I never knew

565
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: was all horse and so pretty cool, pretty cool story.

566
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: Honestly, I gotta say I like the second one better.

567
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: The second one, well, I had no idea. Yeah, a

568
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: little more connected to the gambling, but I had no

569
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: idea that he made that much money from bedding horses

570
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: and that he was that much of an accomplished writer.

571
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: That's actually incredibly cool? Is that? Also from David Schwartz's

572
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: book You want to repeat where you got this stuff?

573
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: Roll the Bones The History of Gambling. Wonderful book by

574
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: David Schwartz. Other sources include the Smithsonian, Rejectedprincesses dot Com, Wikipedia,

575
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: a host of other books, spent a great.

576
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: Times, the Better Collective VPN. Let you get to Rejected

577
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: Princesses dot com.

578
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: Hey, Farrest fair, you always credit your sources. Chat, I

579
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: can't be some fly by night a best selling author

580
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: like yourself. You know, okay, just now you listen.

581
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: Nobody wants hat tips and credit sourcing more than I do.

582
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: I think we all have to be diligent when it

583
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: comes to that. Matt, I credit you for being the

584
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: ultimate source for these incredible gambling stories. You know what

585
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: I say? At every show feedback as a gift, I

586
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: got to get feedback from people on what they thought

587
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: of this episode and these stories because I found them

588
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: charming and fascinating. I have no idea if anyone else did,

589
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: and I'm very curious to know if this is something

590
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: people are going to want repeated. So by all means

591
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: you must, must, must send the feedback, send it directly

592
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: to Matt Podcasts podcasts That's at the End podcasts at

593
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: actionnetwork dot com. That's Awesome as a reminder of the

594
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: favorite podcast is presented by Bet three six five and

595
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: now new Bet three six five. Customers get one hundred

596
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars in bonus bets when you bet five dollars.

597
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Sign up using promo code Favorites to pousit ten dollars,

598
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: place a bet for five dollars to get one hundred

599
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars in bonus bets. Those bonus bets can

600
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: be used on spreads, totals, player props, futures, and more.

601
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: Whatever the moment, It's never ordinary. At bet three six five.

602
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Must be twenty one or older and present in Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana,

603
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: North Carolina, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia or eighteen and

604
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: oldern Kentucky. Gambling problem called one eight hundred gambler or

605
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: one eight hundred bets off in Iowa terms. Conditions restrictions apply.

606
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: Simon and I will return with our next episode of

607
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: The Favorites on the Action Network. You two page Tuesday,

608
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: one thirty pm Eastern, Download us from Spotify, Apple Pods

609
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: wherever you get your pods, rate review, subscribe, leave us

610
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: five stars, say whatever you want. As I said, feedback

611
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: is a gift until next time. Love you. Action Network

612
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: reminds you please gamble responsibly. If you or someone you

613
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: care about has a gambling problem, help is available twenty

614
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: four to seven at one eight hundred gambler