1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: The Action Network Podcast. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just about that Action also. All right, here 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: we go, we're throwing in, so we're sitting up to 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: cash to stop. 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: We see most gamblers when they go to gamble, they 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: go to win. That's incredible, bank. I like to make money. 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: All right, this is the ultimate kabine. 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: You want to pass. 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: And we are underway. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 4: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast. This is NFL Roundtable 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 4: for Week eight. It's our group therapy session, our decompressing session. 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: Each and every week. We're almost at the halfway point, folks. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 4: Brendan Laschen in the host chair, joined by the two 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 4: gentlemen that joined me on Sunday every Sunday night into 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 4: Monday morning on the Action Network podcast as well for 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 4: the Sunday recap show. Brandon Anderson, one of our NFL 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 4: contributors at Action Network, as well as An Abrams, our 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 4: director of research and media. Let's dive right in, Fellas. 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: We'll start with you, Evan Abrams. Biggest Week seven takeaway. 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: The death of home field advantage. I'm calling it road 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: trip advantage. Every week, road teams seem to be as 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: competent as ever. I fully believe in my handicapping life 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: that teams also tend to perform better on the road 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: than they do at home. At home, teams have obligations, 25 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: teams have families, teams have just bs, and I always 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: tend to kind of go the opposite of that. And 27 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: even in the data, so their teams on a road 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: trip above five hundred and ats every year since twenty nineteen, 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: road favorites sixteen and two ats since the start a 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: week five road teams sixty one percent ATS this season, 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: second best through seven weeks in the wildcard era. I 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: can go on and on, but to me, that just 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: continues to be the story. 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, there is something to be said about that. 35 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 4: The media obligations, the distractions. You called it BS, I 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: mean distractions is probably the nicer. 37 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: Way of putting it. 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 4: Yes, how about you, Brandon. We takeaways from week seven 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 4: as we worked to week eight. 40 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, the more things change, the more they stay the same. 41 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 2: Question mark. Super Bowl champs are undefeated, the Lions win, 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: the Ravens win big, the Niners are still fourth in 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: odds Super Bowl and otherwise, the Bills win big their 44 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: fifth and odds. Those are the top four teams from 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: the you know, the our final four last year, plus 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: the Bills, the team that we kind of thought would 47 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: be in there. That's our top five in Super Bowl LODs. 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: Look at the MVP odds. It's the defending MVP at 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: the top of the odds again, Lamar Jackson. It's up 50 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: against Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. Everyone seems pretty confident 51 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: seven weeks in that everything is just like we all 52 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: thought it was going to be before the start of 53 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: the season, just like it was end of last season. 54 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: That's the week seven takeaway. Everything is the same. We 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: all got everything right. What could possibly go wrong? 56 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: You guys sound excited for this particular episode, like thiss 57 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 4: in your tones here just a few days after we 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: did the recap show, So, at risk of sounding like 59 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: another mainstream show, we are going. 60 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: To talk about the Jets as one of our first topics. 61 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 4: But I promise these guys have looks at futures, markets, awards, 62 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 4: et cetera later on in the show, so we'll get 63 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 4: to that, but let's do the Jets first. I'll start 64 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 4: with Brandon since he was basically our Jets guy going 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: into the year. Can we officially bury the twenty twenty 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 4: four New York Jets. And as you know, when we 67 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: do this particular show and folks to it, and let's 68 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: put a gambling perspective on it. 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: Should they be left for dead? 70 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: The Jets? 71 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: Beer gambler? 72 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Who bets on the Jets? 73 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: Have you not learned anything about betting? 74 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: The Jets are gonna come back. 75 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: Look, I think two things can be true. And the 76 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: Jets are not as bad as the two and a 77 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: five records makes it seem. But the Jets are in 78 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: fact two and five, and that part matters. Also, sports 79 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: are binary. You'll win or you'll lose. We can talk 80 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: about whether you should have won or should have lost. 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: How things were supposed to go. They're two and five. 82 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: They're not playing well. The two wins have come against soft, 83 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 2: easy appoints. This actually part of my cap why like 84 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: the Jets coming to the season is this was a 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: soft opening schedule. This was supposed to be a chance 86 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: for them to really get off on the right foot, 87 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: and now they came away two and five from that. 88 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: The run problem is a huge or the run game 89 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: is a huge problem. Both ways. Defense cannot stop the 90 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: run like they're just getting plowed on the run. They 91 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: can't get off the field. That defense is getting worn out. 92 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: The offense is trying too hard to run. They're doing 93 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: too much but not doing it well. They're going too 94 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: much through Breise Hall. Suddenly we can't get Braylen Allen 95 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: on the field as good as he's been for them, 96 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: even just little things. The special teams was pretty good 97 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: last year, that's fallen off below average this year. And 98 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: the coaching stuff just isn't getting a whole lot better. 99 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: A little more motion, a little bit better. But you know, 100 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: the bar is pretty low. Look, I have Aaron Rodgers 101 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: MVP ticket that's dead. We're done. Aaron Rodgers not winning MVP. 102 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: Some things can be dead. I think Rogers. I don't 103 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: think this is really all on Rogers. Certainly, Rodgers has 104 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: not elevated the team. Certainly, I'm not giving him credit. 105 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: I think he's been fine. I think he's been good 106 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: enough if the team were good enough. The team's not 107 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: good enough. The defense has not been good at all. 108 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: The offense is not coming around. I think where I'm 109 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: at is this, and now we said we're banning me 110 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,119 Speaker 2: from mentioning this is not Panther's Island. Deader than dead 111 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: because Panthers Island got so dead that we're profiting off 112 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 2: of betting against them now and getting our money back. 113 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: I don't think the Jets are that bad. I think 114 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: we can still play this team week to week. I 115 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: think they can still be competitive and figure some things out. 116 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: They just Scott Devonte Adams. There's still some time. I 117 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: think week to week the Jets are still going to 118 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: be a story. Certainly we've talked about like the New 119 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: York teams, one of these teams can still be competitive 120 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: week to week. There's still touchdown favorites this week. I 121 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: think we have to think about the big picture of 122 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: the future is angled differently than the week to week thing. 123 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: There's still a decent mediocre team at least, and the 124 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: big picture, they might already be dead. 125 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: Fandel's hanging the best line to make the playoffs for 126 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: the Jets at plus two sixty five a two to 127 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 4: five record. Aaron Rodgers is not much of a galvanizer now. 128 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: He did take some ownership that he has to play 129 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 4: better in his postgame press conference, but only one week 130 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: of Adams. The Redicks stuff is still being figured out, 131 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: and yet there are only a few games out from Buffalo. 132 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 4: Despite that, head to head loss a few Monday nights 133 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 4: ago for the AFC East Crown Evan. 134 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: What's your take on the Jets. 135 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: I'll be quick here because again I don't think this 136 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: is too much in depth analysis, but they have the sixthiest, 137 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: easiest remaining schedule. They do end a year at home 138 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: with Buffalo and Miami. Their win total currently is seven 139 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: and a half live, so I do think, like Brandon said, 140 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: there's some opportunity to potentially buy in. They just shouldn't 141 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: be two and five. You looked at the Denver game, 142 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: and I can go on and on at different scenarios. 143 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: I believe it was like three or four weeks in 144 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: a row they had a drive. They legitimately could have 145 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: been winning multiple games here. They probably should be three 146 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: and four or four and three instead of two and five. 147 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: So I think that's one and then the other one. 148 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: Here is again the list of teams the Jets schedule 149 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: offensive face San Francisco, Tennessee, New England, Denver, Minnesota, Buffalo, Pittsburgh. 150 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: In terms of touchdowns allowed, that's the hardest schedule in 151 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: the league leading up to this one. So yes, it 152 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: does lighten up, and I do think you will see 153 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: a better version of the Jets. I mean, they are 154 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: favored by seven this week in New England, a team 155 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: who just got dashed, slashed and rashed against Jacksonville. So 156 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: you assume there's going to be some sort of bounce back. 157 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: They'll probably look good, and then it'll look different week 158 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: to week after that. I mean, if you don't win 159 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: this game, then you could probably put the the nail 160 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: on the coffin. But there is optimism just based off 161 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: this schedule going forward, and we knew this, like we 162 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: had talked about this in the preseason. They had six 163 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: primetime games in the first eleven weeks. You're still in 164 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: the middle of that. No team in history had done that, 165 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: and then the beginning of the season was even more brutal, 166 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: having to go Monday and Thursday and the back and forth. 167 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: Multiple teams haven't done that in years. So to me, 168 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: there is optimism. But yeah, it's just unfortunate because one 169 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: win at any point, and to be honest, the season 170 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: looks completely different than it does a two and five 171 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: And I will say this, I believe the last four 172 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: years we've had a two and five seam make the playoffs. 173 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: So we'll see. Yeah, you're totally right. One win anywhere. 174 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: Three and four, Okay, we can do three and four. 175 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: You know, the Bengals are three and four, the forty 176 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: nine Ers are three and four. The Cowboys are three 177 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: and three, but about to be three and four probably 178 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: against the Niners. It's fine, we can do three and four. 179 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: You can come back from that. Two and five does 180 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: feel just completely different than three and four, And I 181 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: think that's kind of what was my point as well, 182 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: is like I don't think they're a two and five team, 183 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: but they are a two and five team. That's what 184 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: the record says. So that's what we have to live with. 185 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: Two and five. To make the playoffs, you can only 186 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: really lose like once or twice more the rest of 187 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: the way. I don't think this Jets team that we've 188 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: seen looks like they can play near perfect ball the 189 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 2: rest of the way. They can get some wins. They'll 190 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: probably have some really good looking wins, like we've seen 191 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: a couple of times now. You know, the way they 192 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: played the Patriots this week, that was their big win already. 193 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: They looked great in that game. I think they can 194 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: do that. They probably will do that, but can they 195 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: do it for ten weeks. Probably not to. 196 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: Evan's point about the schedule. 197 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: They also played a London game, no bye after the 198 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: London game, then go into a Monday night primetime game. 199 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: Terrible. 200 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was turbulence too when Brady went to Tampa 201 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: and Stafford went to la And I mean, I guess 202 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 4: you could include Russell Wilson going to Denver. 203 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: That was a complete shit show. 204 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: But those teams that the Bucks in the Rams with 205 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: their new quarterbacks, there was some turbulence at the beginning 206 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: of the year. To be fair, Brady forgot what doubt 207 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 4: it was. Stafford was just reckless, throwing the ball everywhere. 208 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, I guess I thought. 209 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: You were gonna bring up Brady walking into the wrong 210 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: apartment because that's what I remember from early Brady days. 211 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: Well, at least he was at least he was in 212 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: the city trying to go find the offensive coordinator. 213 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: He wasn't out in Egypt. 214 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: The whole thing, the whole thing with the Jets was 215 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: supposed to be we have a Super Bowl roster, we 216 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: just need a quarterback. And I think that what we're 217 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: seeing this season is again it's so easy to make 218 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: it about Rogers. Everything is about Rogers. I know he's 219 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: not been good enough. He's not played MVP ball. This 220 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: is not a Super Bowl roster. That is the answer 221 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: that we're coming away with. The offensive line has not 222 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: been good, the defense has dropped out. The coaching certainly 223 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: hasn't been there. We were not a quarterback away from 224 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: this years Jets winning super Bowl is what we have learned. 225 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: Okay, way too much time on the Jets. Let's move on. 226 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 4: We're going to pick apart some of these awards markets. Well, 227 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 4: Brandon has some thoughts later in the show that he'll 228 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 4: sprinkle in throughout Evan. One market you wanted to touch 229 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,239 Speaker 4: on was a coach of the year in that landscape. 230 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like it's volatile At the moment. 231 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell is the leader. But we just saw Minnesota 232 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: lost their first game, and I believe there's some more 233 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: losses coming up for them as they're not going to 234 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: be I don't see them winning the division. So I 235 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: think he comes back a little bit. So the three 236 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: I was looking at was our good friend Dan Campbell, 237 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: who's currently nine to one, who I still see. You know, 238 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: we've talked about the goff indoors thing. At nauseum, but 239 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: they're going to put a points, they should win games. 240 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: The other one I liked was Andy Reid. I know 241 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: we had the Mahomes conversation, but Mahomes is, you know, 242 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: four to one, four fifty to win MVP reads fourteen 243 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: to one to win Coach of the Year. So and 244 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: I believe he's never won that. 245 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: Award, as it's been mentioned multiple times to the city. 246 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: Kansas City got it, So that one I thought is nice. 247 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: And I also thought Tomlin's interesting. If Pittsburgh continues playing 248 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: voodoo and not really mattering who's at quarterback, their defense 249 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: continues to give up fourteen points per game, and they 250 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: walk into ten wins or so, I don't know how 251 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: you don't give it to, you know, him with a 252 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: little bit of the award to Arthur Smith if they 253 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: keep up the offense. So those are the three I 254 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: was kind of looking at. I just kind of feel 255 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: like between Kevin O'Connell and yeah, dan Quinn could win 256 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: it with Washington if they keep it up. But I 257 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: think there's a just a little bit of room for 258 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: shakeup at the top, so some opportunity there. 259 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, But even though the names you just mentioned those 260 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: are all really good narratives, good stories. So you can 261 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: make a case really for any of those guys you 262 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: just mentioned, considering the change quarterback injuries to key pieces, 263 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 4: I guess not really for Campbell, they're just kind of 264 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: a wagon and he's got the operation clicking. 265 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: Brandon, You're gonna touch on some more later. 266 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: But two, we want to hit now, Offensive and Defensive 267 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 4: Player of the Year and Comeback Player of the Year. 268 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, Tomlin has never won the award either, 269 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: so that's the easy narrative for him to like, there's 270 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: exactly the look you both just gave, if you're watching 271 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: on YouTube, is precisely why he is alive for this award. 272 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: By the way, if the Steelers voodoo is really real, 273 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: I looked it up seven hundred and fifty to one. 274 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson MVP, just saying, just saying the number. It's 275 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: just it's out there on the podcast now, okay, award, 276 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: So I have a whole callum up. I wrote five 277 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: thousand awards on all seven races. I got the state 278 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: of the Union for each one. I got the favorite, 279 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: I got the long shots, my verdict. You can check 280 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: the whole thing out The big question right now is 281 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: we're almost at the midpoint. Do you bet the favorite 282 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 2: or do you use the favorite to fade the steam 283 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: and leverage on the long shot. You guys know me, 284 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: I think we know the answer in most cases. The 285 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: key thing here is in futures markets. I said this 286 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: at the top. We think that what's happening right now 287 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: is going to happen forever. That's what we think when 288 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: we watch sports. The teams that are great right now, 289 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: where the teams are like Man, the Ravens, the Chiefs, 290 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: the Lions, they're just doing their thing already. That's starting 291 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: to not be true. Look at the forty nine ers, 292 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 2: they're three and four. Look at the injuries that are 293 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: piling up. Most people are not good at betting futures 294 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: because they have a hard time imagining futures that are 295 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: different than now. You want to lead award races after 296 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: week eighteen, not after week seven. And we see year 297 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: after year the favorite right now becomes the target for 298 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: the media. For us, we pick apart the favorite the 299 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: entire rest of the season. Oh Lamar Jackson, you're supposed 300 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: to be the MVP. Well what about this game? Oh 301 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: Derrick Henry you're the big favorite. You're even odds now 302 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: to be Offensive Player of the Year. Where were you 303 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: last night? He was nothing last night till he was 304 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: an eighty one yard run and then the line looked 305 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: pretty good at the end of the night. So I 306 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: think that's where we have to look at these awards, 307 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: So just really quickly, we've already talked about that. With 308 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: Defensive Player the Year, we have the Ad Hutchinson big favorite. 309 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: He's out. Tj Awatt gets installed as the big basically 310 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: even odds favorite. Why because he's good and mostly because 311 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: he happened to have a good game the week Aidan 312 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: Hutchinson got hurt, so they're like, well, he's the big 313 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: favorite now. I still think that's one to look down 314 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: the market at the long shots. I still think guys 315 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: that I bet before this season are the guys I 316 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: want now. Miles Garrett thirty five to one, possibly even 317 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: on the trade market. We're starting to hear that out there. 318 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: Micah Parsons eighty to one coming out of the bye week, 319 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: getting healthy, only one sacks so far, but we don't 320 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: even get two or three in a game and get 321 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: things moving. That's the place to look there. Offensive Player Year. 322 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: I mentioned with Derrick Henry, he's the clear lead. I 323 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: still think it's the receivers Award. Jamar Chase leads the 324 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: NFL in yards and touchdowns right now, he's thirteen to one. 325 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: I don't think the Bengals can win MVP type awards 326 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: because they're not winning enough games. But Offensive Player of 327 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: the Year is a stats award. I like that, and 328 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: a little sprinkle maybe on AJ Brown one hundred to one. 329 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: Remember last year he had a monster six game stretch. 330 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: He's been good this year. He just missed three games. 331 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: That's why the odds are so low, so he's gonna 332 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: have a hard time making that ground up. But I 333 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: think that's where you look on those, and I think 334 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: Comeback Player the Year is really interesting. Here's another one 335 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: where the leader in the betting marker right now? Have 336 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: either of you looked at the comeback player of the year. 337 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: Do you know who is the leader, the betting favorite 338 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: and comeback player of the year right now? 339 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: I cheated, so I know. 340 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: So the answer is JK. Dobbins. JK Dobbins running back 341 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: of the Charges. Remember how we all watched the JK. 342 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: Dobbins Show last night. No nobody remembers anything about JK. Dobbins. 343 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: This is a narrative award. Who cares about JK Dobbins. 344 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: I'll tell you who cares about JK Dobbins. There's a 345 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: few Internet doctors out there who tell us who the 346 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: injuries are. They keep telling people to bet on JK. Dobbins, 347 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: and I think that's why JK. Dobbins is leading in 348 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: the race here, because I think they're taking a lot 349 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: of money on him. Only one running back ever has 350 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: won Comeback Player of the Year is Garrison Hurst like 351 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: multiple decades ago. This is cheat your running back award. 352 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: It's a quarterback award usually or a comeback from retirement 353 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: or death award. So I've got two for you, Joe Burrow. 354 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 2: I just said, narrative. You don't have to win a 355 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: lot of games. Four to one. He's playing great football. 356 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: He's playing MVP football on a not MVP team. I 357 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: like him for to one much better. He's playing way 358 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 2: better than Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers. And we just changed 359 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: the rules of Comeback Player of the Year to get 360 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: rid of two hundred and fifty to one Joe Flacko. 361 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: Why because we were so embarrassed we didn't give the 362 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: award to Tomorrow. Hamlin. Tamar Hamlin is starting safety for 363 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: a clear division winner. He got his second reception of 364 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: the season this week. He has forty three combined tackles. 365 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: He's still six to one in the market. We all 366 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: watched this dude on a football field, clearly looked like 367 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: he was never gonna play another snap if he survived 368 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: the night. And he is the starting safety, a positive 369 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: contributing safety for a division winner. How is that not 370 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: the obvious comeback player of the year. I think that's 371 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: a crazy number at six to one. I'll bet both 372 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: of those together, it's like a two to one together. 373 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: I think this is a great spot to fade the 374 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: ludicrous JK. Dobbins position. So those are my picks here. 375 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 4: I kind of like the Burrow comeback and Chase Offensive 376 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 4: Player of the Year. 377 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: I would feel like those are kind of correlated too. 378 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: You might be able to parlay those depending on your book. Also. 379 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: I haven't thought about that, but that could be interesting 380 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: as well. 381 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 4: Shout out to our Action Network colleague Sean Zarillo, who 382 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 4: had another great year in baseball, finishing the MLB regular 383 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 4: season up more than twenty five units, and with Action 384 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 4: Pro you get instant notifications every time Zarillo or any 385 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 4: of our Action experts make a pick in the Action app. 386 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 4: Just visit actionnetwork dot com slash Pro and use the 387 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 4: promo code October for fifteen percent off an Action Pro subscription. 388 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: That's fifteen percent off at actionnetwork dot com Slash. 389 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: Pro with the promo code October. 390 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 4: And be sure to check out Sean every week talking 391 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 4: MLB playoffs on the Payoff Pitch podcast. Well as both 392 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 4: of them have noted, most notably Brandon that the NFL 393 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 4: season is a marathon, and this is why I love 394 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 4: this particular episode. I think it's for weeks like this, 395 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 4: when we get to the midway point and we try 396 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 4: to make sense of it all from a bigger picture perspective. 397 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 4: Countless October, Darling's fizzle out as the season winds, or 398 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 4: to Brandon's point, what we expect to happen ends up 399 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 4: fizzling out. Are we experiencing peak Lions right now with 400 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: their immaculate team first vibes? Is there someone else in 401 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 4: the NFC that's a better fit for Fools Gold? 402 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: Basically, the question is what. 403 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 4: NFC team or teams are we looking to back and say, 404 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, everyone should have seen 405 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 4: this coming. 406 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: Evan, Yeah. 407 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I just the NFC is a tough one 408 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: for me, and looking up and down this question and 409 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: looking at all the teams, my answer was going to 410 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: be what Brandon's answer is gonna be, So I'm gonna 411 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: let him say his in a second. I just fear 412 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: an injury that is becoming a little bit worse, so 413 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: we could talk about in a second with that one. 414 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: I just don't know if anyone is going to dethrown 415 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: the NFC North when you look at the rest of 416 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: the divisions and what they're especially after what we saw 417 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: with Tampa last night and in the unfortunate situation there with 418 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: their receivers and how good they were looking early before 419 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: all the chaos of the game kind of hit them. 420 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: I kind of liked Tampa in some circumstance, but I 421 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: would say Green Bay might be the option in the 422 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: NFC North, aside from the juggernaut Detroit as like maybe 423 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the year they put their pieces together. 424 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Jacobs looks better, the defense is holding up, the receivers 425 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: are all healthy. Jaden Reid's running motion and doing a 426 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: bunch of different things we find interesting. Lafleur is pushing 427 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: up the Coach of the Year. The Packers end up 428 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: winning five six more games at ten or eleven. So 429 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: to me, the Green Bay thought is probably one. But 430 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: I'll let Brandon answer the question because I think he's 431 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: probably got the right answer. If the certain wide receiver 432 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: comes back and he's playing well again. 433 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's where we're back. I think after 434 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: all our other test pilot islands, Brandon, I think we're 435 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: back where all the islands started a couple of years ago, 436 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: Seattle Island. Baby, I think this is where we're at. 437 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: I think the Seahawks still now are the team in 438 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 2: the entire NFL with the best futures market to be 439 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 2: betting into. They are when healthy defensively largely they're four 440 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: and oh they lost three games in eleven days. It 441 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: just was a brutal stretch where they picked up like 442 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: half of the defensive starters were injured, right as they 443 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: have this jam pack schedule, right as they play the Niners. 444 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: At the end of that three game stretch, they lost 445 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: the Giants game there. That was really disappointing. You can 446 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: lose the forty nine ers. You shouldn't because it's the division. 447 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: You need to get that one sometime, I am. You 448 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: can't lose to the Giants. That's that's that's a freebie 449 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: on the schedule. That's the free spot on your bingo card. 450 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: That one might still come into play later, even if 451 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: it's not the division for a one seed race or 452 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 2: something like that. That one stings. But Gino Smith playing 453 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: great football, absolutely dealing. Still leads the league in completions, 454 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: attempts yards. You're right, DK Metcalf. It's a big loss. 455 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: It looks like he may be out. I think is 456 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: as long as maybe Week ten, So yeah, that's tough. 457 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: Gino is still one hundred to one m v P. 458 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to win MVP, but I 459 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: do not think he should be one hundred to one. 460 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: He is. 461 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: That's the player of the year, Brandon. Do you know 462 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: what he is for offensive player of the year. 463 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. I haven't looked at that. What is it? 464 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: Four hundred to one? 465 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: Oh? 466 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: My goodness. And the NFL leaving all the stats in 467 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: a stats category. I like that. Evan, Yeah, Mike McDonald 468 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 2: I still believe in as well. That's the coach of 469 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: the year that I had before the season. I still 470 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: think that he's a good pick there. I believe he's 471 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: like sixteen eighteen twenty to one, depindion on your book. 472 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: Remember they host Minnesota late in the season as well, 473 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: so that's a chance to get a big win and 474 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: to flip a type break there in some of the standings. 475 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: They did lose to Detroit already, so that's a bummer. Yeah, 476 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: just over I think Seattle you like a lot. You see, 477 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: they're getting healthier now. Look, they weren't twenty points better 478 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: than Atlanta this week. That game was closer than it looked, 479 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: but it still was a big win for them. They're 480 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 2: still moving in the right direction. New offense, new defense, 481 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: and to still be four and three up on the 482 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: Niners in the division with the three game losing streak, 483 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: I think, all things considered, it's a pretty good outcome. 484 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: So I like their over eight and a half. It's 485 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: plus money. I put them at nine and a half 486 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: and higher on wins. I like the playoffs plus one eighty. 487 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: I like the division. I still think Seattle Island is 488 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: maybe where we should have stayed all along. 489 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 4: They get San Francisco again after they're bye, and for 490 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 4: DK Metcalf's sake and for Gino and the whole operation, 491 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 4: if that's the landing spot to get him back two 492 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 4: weeks plus a bye week, maybe that's. 493 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: What it is. But again, it's a week to week 494 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: situation right now. 495 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 4: With DK Metcalf, Let's move on to the Kansas City Chiefs. 496 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 3: They remain undefeated. 497 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 4: The offense hasn't dazzled under Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, 498 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 4: but they're grinding out victories every week. They're an underdog, 499 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 4: a short underdog, as most of you know. Against San 500 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: Francisco they went outright. Realistically, when is Kansas City's first loss? 501 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 4: And with their remaining schedule, how likely is it that 502 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: someone catches them for the one seed in the AFC Evan. 503 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, looking at their schedule going forward, I 504 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to say, well, first of all, I 505 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to say it was Vegas this week, 506 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to be that smart. I just 507 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: don't think I can find the reasons why. At Buffalo 508 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: is probably the right answer. I mean, look at their 509 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: schedule going forward. At Vegas, then they get this Tampa 510 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: team at home on Monday Night football, which is you know, 511 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: you're assuming Evans is there. It's still tough without a 512 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: I don't even really want to look at the game. Yeah, 513 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: I look at home at Denver, then at Buffalo, so 514 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: you really are really stapling in three more wins before 515 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: that Buffalo game. And let's say they get through Buffalo 516 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: at Carolina, Hey, Vegas again, Chargers at Cleveland, and then 517 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: you're at home against Houston. Like, there is not a 518 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: lot of opportunities. They're win till right now is thirteen 519 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: and a half. I don't know how many losses you're 520 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: actually gonna find, even if they lose the games we 521 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: think they're gonna lose, So I would say at Buffalo, 522 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: but the fact that they're not playing fantastic at all 523 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: and they're kind of being let's quote quote unquote gifted 524 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: some of these situations eat week to week, I don't 525 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: know how they're gonna lose when they look good. 526 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: Brandon, your take on the Chiefs, Yeah, I think the 527 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 2: schedule has just said laid it out nicely. I think 528 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: they're gonna be nine to zero heading to the Bills, 529 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: and if they win that one, they're probably fourteen and 530 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 2: oh going against that Texans game, and there's nothing it's 531 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 2: soft after that too, Like those are the only two 532 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: real tough games left on the schedule. I think that 533 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: they are double digit favorites. By my look, six more 534 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 2: times still the season, including this week, I would not 535 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: take the under thirteen and a half. I'll tell you that. 536 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: I know that's simply a crazy number. But you're already 537 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: six to oh, Like you got to do the math 538 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 2: and look at where we're like, where are we coming 539 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: up with four losses for this team when you know, 540 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: let's call the Bills and Texans fifty to fifty. Let's 541 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: give them one loss and one win out of those, 542 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: all right, where are the other three losses coming from? 543 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not going to play the over 544 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: thirteen and a half because I think there are better 545 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: ways to play it. If you get to fourteen and three, 546 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: fifteen and two, or we haven't had this for a while. 547 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: I think we genuinely, if you get that Bills game, 548 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about the Chiefs in a different 549 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: way soon enough. Where is this team going seventeen and oh, 550 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: that's the conversation that's going to be leading the conversation 551 00:26:59,400 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: for a while. 552 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: Well, Kevin, Yeah, I was just gonna say they are 553 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: their odds to go undefeated right now would be sixth 554 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: in Super Bowl odds overall. Wow, they are twelve to 555 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: one to go on. 556 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: And I don't need that. I don't need the undefeated odds. 557 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: It's a fun bet in theory, but I put them 558 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: at over sixty percent to be the one seed right now, 559 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: over eighty percent to be a top two seed. That's 560 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: where we're headed. Like the division is a wrap, We're done. 561 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: This is all where that's going. So I think if 562 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: you're looking at that, and again, they're not even playing 563 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: that well yet, which could mean okay, we're doing for 564 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: some losses, or they could mean if you've watched the 565 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: Chiefs the last few years, they're just trying some stuff 566 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: out right. They're putting some plays on tape. They're prepping 567 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: for later. We all like mock them for the crazy 568 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: red zone stuff. They're doing that on purpose. We've watched 569 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 2: this every year they tried to round in the form. Later. 570 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: They're undefeated despite not playing well, despite playing the Ravens 571 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: and the Bengals and the Niners. Already, this was the 572 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: hard part of the schedule. I said before the year, 573 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: don't buy Chiefs futures. Now they play all these teams, 574 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: start out well in a weird version of our world. 575 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: They beat all those teams, but their futures prices are 576 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: still kind of reasonably priced where they were. So I 577 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: said I was gonna come back to some of the 578 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: awards here. I'm with you Evan on Andy Reid Coach 579 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: of the Year. There's an eighteen to one out there. 580 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: If we go fifteen and two, sixteen and one, push 581 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: for seventeen and zero. Our guys never won this in 582 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: Kansas City. For all the things that they've done, that 583 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: has to look pretty good. And I think right now 584 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: is a good time to invest in Pat Mahomes MVP 585 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: five to one at one of the books out there, 586 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: plus four fifty. This was plus two hundred one day 587 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: ago at some books. Then Lamar Jackson had the big game. 588 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: Is the rightful favorite right now. But the season doesn't 589 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: end right now. You have to bet on what things 590 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: are gonna look like at the end of the season. 591 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: Is going to have an MVP game against Josh Allen, 592 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: He's gonna have anyp game against c J. Strouds. Those 593 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: are showcase moments. We know how he plays in those 594 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: sort of games. 595 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 4: And Russell Wilson on Christmas, Yeah, you're right, and Russell Wilson, 596 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 4: you're you're very right. 597 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: We know how the Christmas games go. I think actually 598 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: a very sly way to bet the Chiefs is both 599 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: of those. Bet Andy Reid Coach of the Year and 600 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: bet Patrick Mahomes. Neither one of them feels sexy right now, 601 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: because the Chiefs don't feel sexy. They're kind of even 602 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: boring to watch. Like we talked about, they're just gonna 603 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: doing the thing. But if you do the thing and 604 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: keep winning games and you're fourteen to oh facing the Texans, 605 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: we have to talk about it and we have to 606 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: recognize it. And I think giving one of those guys 607 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: I would not parlay it. I don't think they both 608 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: would unless they go undefeated. But I think just knowing 609 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: that they're overwhelmingly the one seed at this point, just 610 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: get both of those and figure, okay, one of the 611 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: markets just won't end up having candidate and we'll give 612 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: it to the default. Then Kansas City is the default now. 613 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 4: One of the plays in that second half against San Francisco, 614 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 4: so it was Burkhart, Brady and Eron Andrews. Eron Andrews 615 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 4: comes out of the sideline, has an interview with Andy Reid, 616 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 4: and he says, we got to keep, you know, pedal 617 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 4: to the metal, and to Brandon's point about just trying 618 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 4: stuff out. They're about fourteen to six. They've been pounding 619 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 4: the ball. They had how they close games. But one 620 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 4: of their first plays in the second half is that 621 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 4: deep ball down the field to Xavier Worthy, and that 622 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 4: to me speaks to what you're. 623 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 3: Saying, like, let's just try this out. We got to do. 624 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 4: We need this guy by the end of the year 625 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 4: to be a factor if we want to get to 626 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 4: that three peat. Just like there's no it's it's methodical, 627 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 4: but it's almost like I don't give a crap play. 628 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 4: Let's just let's just see if it works, and if 629 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 4: it doesn't, it doesn't, and it's it doesn't matter. That 630 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: particular play is just an example of many we could 631 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: pick apart anyway. 632 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 3: Sore you go twelve. 633 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a quick follow up. Well, let's let's 634 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: go on the record with it. Let's let's predict the 635 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: Chiefs regular season record right now. If you had to 636 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 2: out of seventeen games. If you had to pick a 637 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: Chiefs record, is any are any of us picking seventeen 638 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: and er or what do you think? Evan? It's your 639 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: record for the Chiefs. 640 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: Quickly off the cuff. I will go fourteen and three. 641 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: I'll say fifteen and two. Brandon, when do you think? 642 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 3: Probably fourteen and three? I could see the Chargers game 643 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 3: tripping them up too. 644 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: They also end at Pittsburgh at Denver in two games. 645 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: That mages not matter, so your hands might be in 646 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz's with a loss or two already. 647 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: So my guy, let's go Carson Wentz. We get a 648 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: Carson Wentz on this show. I'm getting just in the freaking. 649 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 3: Game the other night too. We didn't even talk about 650 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: that in the recap. 651 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: They tried another razzle dazzle play with him in the game, 652 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 4: getting cute, another thing, just another wrinkle to drive us crazy. 653 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 4: We'll do these last three, but you gotta be real 654 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 4: quick with these. These are all related to the slate 655 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 4: for Week eight. Pick one of these teams to cover 656 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 4: Vegas against the Chiefs Cleveland, Tennessee. 657 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: Hevn. 658 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: I'll go Vegas. I want the ten I just don't 659 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: see them blowing people out, and that's the difference here. 660 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: They Raiders play them hard. I just somehow, some way 661 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: the ten will figure out away and I'm looking on 662 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: the other side. I can't bet Cleveland off against Baltimore, 663 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: and then Tennessee is interesting, but I just don't feel 664 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: like getting in the way of the wagon with Detroit 665 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: right now. 666 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: So I'll go Vegas, Brandon any of those three, you know, 667 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: I put the Titans and the Browns similarly. I make 668 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: it somewhere around minus seven and a half or eight, 669 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: and then it opened nine and a half and now 670 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: it's up to like eleven. In both cases, I'll go 671 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: with the Browns. Here sounds crazy about Browns Ravens is 672 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 2: a rivalry game. They've split the series five of the 673 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: last six years. By the last seven games within six twoints. 674 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: Maybe we got some Jameis Winston, I'd like to know 675 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: before I bet it, actually, but I'll pick Browns of 676 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: the three. 677 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: The quarterback is key there. I think he's right. 678 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 4: And again, it's not Donovan People's Jones a quarterback for 679 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 4: the Browns, as we shared deal. 680 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, if it's Dorian Thompson Robinson, I might 681 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: prefer donin People's Jones, that's fair. 682 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 4: Which team, which favorite would you be willing to seven 683 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 4: points with this week? Jets at New England, Denver against Carolina, 684 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 4: So that would be of course Denver laying the points, 685 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 4: and then the Saints laying a part of me the 686 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 4: Chargers laying seven and a half at home against the Saints. 687 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: I'll go Chargers in this one. I kind of like 688 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: New England, so I'll pass on that one. It's hard 689 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: to even grasp the fact that bo Nix is laying 690 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: seven and a half in a game right now when 691 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: we've seen what we've seen out of him, but Sean 692 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: Payton's figuring out a way. I just kind of don't 693 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: want any I don't want to go near that one. 694 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: Caroline is one in eight ats last nine, and their 695 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: only cover or win was that Raiders game that they 696 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, made the quarterback switch. They just they feel 697 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: really just dead at the moments. I just don't want 698 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: to deal with that. So I kind of like the 699 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: Chargers and a bounce back. Let's just assume they you know, 700 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: squeeze the life out of New Orleans with all their injuries, 701 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: and Harbuck kind of bounces back off the tough one 702 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: last night and the game goes under. Herbert doesn't play fantastic, 703 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: but they win New Orleans scores like six points. 704 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: Brandon, I think the Jets the Patriots come back from London, 705 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 2: no bye week, rookie quarterback, rookie coach. We saw already 706 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: the Jets played the Patriots a month ago and all 707 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: was a rough spot for New England on a short 708 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: week there. This is another rough spot for them, and 709 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 2: we know, we know, I love my post London no 710 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: bye week trends. The team playing them usually goes over 711 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: their team total, the team coming back from London usually 712 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: goes under theirs. And the main thing. Thirteen out of 713 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: fifteen I believe now have tied or trailed in the 714 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 2: fourth quarter. So that's the Patriots tiring, tied or trailing. 715 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: So I just think this game matters more for the Jets. 716 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 2: They got more at stake here. They care too. This 717 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: is a team that I have not won in New 718 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: England until last year, since two thousand and six, so 719 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 2: they're gonna want to make sure to get this game. 720 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: Like we said, two and five is pretty terrible. Three 721 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 2: and five we'll see, maybe we can get a win 722 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: and go from there. 723 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, till the time we have. 724 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 4: We did plenty of futures talk earlier making our missing playoffs. 725 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: Evan is going to talk about Tampa. That's a pick 726 00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 3: and price. 727 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 4: Now that's that price is gone, and Brandon's picking Seattle 728 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 4: to make the playoffs, which is pretty obvious, or he 729 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 4: may have had. 730 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: Someone else, but that's all the time we have. 731 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 4: Be sure to read Brandon's article at Action Network that 732 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 4: was published first thing on this Tuesday morning NFL Power 733 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 4: Rankings for Award Futures that has a nice breakdown written version. 734 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 3: You can take your time and read through that. 735 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 4: Brandon is back Friday morning first thing for NFL Best 736 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 4: Bets for week eight, so stay tuned for that, and 737 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 4: then the three of us reunite on Sunday night for 738 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 4: the week at week eight recap episode for Brandon Anderson, 739 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 4: Evan Abrams, Brandy Glasheen. 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