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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode,
Speaker 2: we have our friend Chadwick Moore. Chad is an author.
Speaker 2: He is the author of The Upcoming Tucker, a book
Speaker 2: about Tucker Carlson, a biography of the man himself. He
Speaker 2: also writes for The Spectator and other cool places. Mister Chadwick,
Speaker 2: good to have you back on the program, sir.
Speaker 1: Hey always good to be here, Buck.
Speaker 2: So you know, I remember they used to tell us
Speaker 2: some story that there was like once when I was
Speaker 2: working in the government, that there was like one State
Speaker 2: Department analyst. I think maybe this is totally urban legend
Speaker 2: from the the community, but this is what they used
Speaker 2: to say. There's like one State Department guy who and
Speaker 2: there's usually a million of them on everything, who was
Speaker 2: covering East Tmoor. And if you remember, there was a
Speaker 2: time back in the East t Moore there was a
Speaker 2: you know, a conflict and I think it was a
Speaker 2: genocide And think is that horrible? And I'm like it
Speaker 2: was the one guy he was right at the place
Speaker 2: right at the time. I mean, Tucker is a very
Speaker 2: very well known name across the board. But to be
Speaker 2: writing the book on the guy who becomes the center
Speaker 2: of the cable news universe for no longer being on
Speaker 2: cable news must be quite a trip. I mean, you
Speaker 2: kind of are the analyst on the issue in cable
Speaker 2: news right now, which is Tucker.
Speaker 1: What was that like, Yeah, it was a trip to
Speaker 1: be I mean, well, it was well, just you know,
Speaker 1: we started this over a year ago working on this book,
Speaker 1: and I had submitted my manuscript in March, only two
Speaker 1: months after my deadline, which is pretty good for a book,
Speaker 1: and we were going through the edding process. We were
Speaker 1: already done with it, and I had the day that
Speaker 1: he so I was on Tucker's last show that we
Speaker 1: didn't know was gonna be his last show, which was
Speaker 1: April twenty first, and that day I actually had a
Speaker 1: phone call with him scheduled for my final phone call.
Speaker 1: I had literally five questions laid out, like did I
Speaker 1: get this right? Can you explain this more? And he
Speaker 1: had a flight that was delayed and he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Can we reschedule this for Monday? And
Speaker 1: I said sure, I'll text you Monday morning. And then
Speaker 1: Monday morning, I saw I got the news like everyone
Speaker 1: else did. I saw on Twitter that his show was
Speaker 1: got pulled off the air. So, you know, of course,
Speaker 1: my publisher, my editor calls me. Almost sounded like he
Speaker 1: was in tears, like what are we going to do?
Speaker 1: What is going on? And it was of course I
Speaker 1: texted Tucker. Didn't hear back for a few days because
Speaker 1: everyone in the world was texting him. But you know,
Speaker 1: after we kind of the dust settled a bit and
Speaker 1: we thought about it for a minute. We were like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't really change anything about the book. We just
Speaker 1: have to go back and change a tense from present
Speaker 1: to past tense when we talked about his Fox two show.
Speaker 1: And then also we need to add to the book.
Speaker 1: So I got to interview him twice since the show
Speaker 1: was taken off the air, and added two new chapters
Speaker 1: to the book. Because it was a book, you know,
Speaker 1: about his life and who he is as a person
Speaker 1: and as a man, and just what his world's like.
Speaker 1: So I suppose with the book, nothing really much had
Speaker 1: to change. We just had to add to it. But
Speaker 1: it's I guess it's kind of a trip that yes,
Speaker 1: this did happen right as we were getting ready to
Speaker 1: announce the book. I mean we were The original publication
Speaker 1: date was May thirty first, so we've had the public
Speaker 1: push it back to July eighteenth now. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been it's been pretty wild. Now.
Speaker 2: What can you tell us about I mean, there's so
Speaker 2: much stuff that I want to ask you, but I
Speaker 2: don't see Unlike I know when people used to ask
Speaker 2: me questions when I when I came out of government,
Speaker 2: It's like, don't ask me the questions you know I
Speaker 2: can't answer because that's no fun because I'm just going
Speaker 2: to not answer them. So I'm trying to ask you
Speaker 2: things that I know you'll be able to answer without
Speaker 2: you know, either spilling too much of what would be
Speaker 2: in the book. But also I know you're having a
Speaker 2: lot of conversations probably these days that are certainly non
Speaker 2: attribution and maybe even off the record and effect about this.
Speaker 2: What do we know about why Fox made the decision
Speaker 2: that they did at this point in time? Like what
Speaker 2: is known?
Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing we can say with absolute certainty because
Speaker 1: there's no documentary of this. But what is known, I
Speaker 1: think we can say with a relative amount of fact
Speaker 1: is that it was something to do with the dominion situation,
Speaker 1: all right. It was as a result of the of
Speaker 1: the deafamation suit and the settlement. Now, whether it was
Speaker 1: a condition in the settlement or not, we don't know.
Speaker 1: My sources told me that it was. That these are
Speaker 1: more than one source who I believe would know, and
Speaker 1: these are people who've not misled me before, and I
Speaker 1: don't have any reason to believe they would mislead me
Speaker 1: now or that they have any reason to lie or
Speaker 1: make this up. That is what I was told. Now,
Speaker 1: if you'd ask to me what my theory would have been,
Speaker 1: I never would have said that to be the case,
Speaker 1: that it was, that it was a conditioned settlement. Dominions
Speaker 1: of course denied this. Fox has denied this. That's what
Speaker 1: I was told. My theory would have been that it
Speaker 1: was essentially Rupert Murdoch someone at Fox Fox Management wanting
Speaker 1: to make an example out of Tucker Carlson, because everyone
Speaker 1: I talked to at Fox, all the producers of former
Speaker 1: ten current people who work there, have all told me
Speaker 1: the same thing about this, and they when asked, this
Speaker 1: makes no sense. Why would Fox News take the ratings
Speaker 1: juggernaut off the air, and everyone says the same thing.
Speaker 1: They say, management is literally stupid. This is just what
Speaker 1: they say to me. And that the fact that they
Speaker 1: didn't understand that Tucker had a brand that was as powerful,
Speaker 1: if not more powerful, than the entire network. They sort
Speaker 1: of thought, well, we lost big talent before Bill O'Reilly, Megan, Kelly,
Speaker 1: Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, and we were always fine. So
Speaker 1: people told me they didn't really understand the fact that
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson isn't really seen as just a talk show host.
Speaker 1: He's really seen as a political movement, and he was
Speaker 1: bringing so many people to cable news and to Fox
Speaker 1: that normally wouldn't be there, to the point where he
Speaker 1: was almost artificially extending the life in relevance of cable
Speaker 1: news all on his own. So my gut would have
Speaker 1: told me that it was someone trying to make an
Speaker 1: example out of him to get everyone in line at Fox,
Speaker 1: because he did not push those those theories about the
Speaker 1: voting machines being rigged at all. In fact, he pushed
Speaker 1: against them quite strongly. Other Fox personalities that did push
Speaker 1: those theories are still on the air, they still have jobs.
Speaker 1: That's what my gut would have told me, I had
Speaker 1: sources tell me something else. So that's sort of where
Speaker 1: we're at. But I think we can safely say it
Speaker 1: had something to do with the Diminian situation.
Speaker 2: Does Fox recognize what people are starting to say that
Speaker 2: Fox bud lighted itself with this move? Now that might
Speaker 2: be a bit extreme, but what do you see? What
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 1: Well, just percentage wise, the numbers are worse than bud Light,
Speaker 1: I mean bud Light. We had these great visuals everywhere,
Speaker 1: like the empty store, the empty shelves, and bud Light
Speaker 1: being still given away for free. But Fox's numbers are
Speaker 1: bud Lights down like twenty five percent in sales. Fox's
Speaker 1: numbers are down like sixty two percent in the key
Speaker 1: demographic and forty percent or thirty seven percent year over
Speaker 1: year from last year.
Speaker 2: Is at a percentage just in the eight o'clock hour.
Speaker 2: Is that across primetime.
Speaker 1: That's across that's across all primetime, that's across the entire network. Actually,
Speaker 1: and Tucker was number one in the key demographic in
Speaker 1: all of cable, which is a twenty five to fifty
Speaker 1: four year old demographic. Here's also number one in twenty
Speaker 1: five to fifty four year old democrats in all of
Speaker 1: cable more Democrats at that age watched his show than
Speaker 1: any other cable news show, So percentage wise, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, if you know it's a
Speaker 1: similar situation to bud Light. People say because it's an
Speaker 1: example of Fox News betraying their customer, betraying their base,
Speaker 1: their their core audience. I mean, people are really taking
Speaker 1: this seriously. And you know, it almost seems like now
Speaker 1: because Fox has done a lot of things to really
Speaker 1: annoy and piss off its audience, and most prominently, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking before this, I'm thinking of calling They called Arizona
Speaker 1: quite early for Joe Biden. But it seems like a
Speaker 1: lot of people would continue to watch Fox, or at
Speaker 1: least Tucker and kind of give the network a pass.
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people were misled about
Speaker 1: what kind of a company News Corp. Is. They know
Speaker 1: it's a big, globalist, multinational corporation. They probably weren't happy
Speaker 1: with a lot of their investors and the things that
Speaker 1: News Corp. Is up to, But perhaps they would give
Speaker 1: News Corp a pass because they allowed Tucker Carlson to speak,
Speaker 1: and you know, they must a lot of people must thought, well,
Speaker 1: they let this guy say the things he does, they
Speaker 1: can't be that bad now that they've gotten rid of
Speaker 1: him in such a mysterious and unceremonious way. I don't
Speaker 1: think those people are coming back. It's been uh, you know,
Speaker 1: over it's been six weeks now and they haven't returned.
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it, certainly in the in
Speaker 2: the TV news business. I don't know if anyone could
Speaker 2: point to something similar in the past. It's obviously different
Speaker 2: than the departure of both Bill Arelly and Megan Kelly. Right,
Speaker 2: Fox wanted Megan to today, she decided to leave. Bill
Speaker 2: had to go, and nobody really, even in the audience
Speaker 2: I think, blamed Fox for that. I don't I don't remember.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of being like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: how could you fire him based on the facts of
Speaker 2: the case as it was at the time, despite the
Speaker 2: fact that he was had big ratings. This feels very
Speaker 2: very different, and and it also, you know, as I
Speaker 2: sit here and speak to you, there's all this reporting
Speaker 2: over Fox sending a cease and desist letter for Tucker
Speaker 2: to stop posting video of himself that is a monologue
Speaker 2: but you know, it's on Twitter. To me, this is
Speaker 2: starting to feel a little bit like do you remember
Speaker 2: when some of the record recording companies record companies were
Speaker 2: suing like fourteen year old kids for downloading stuff on
Speaker 2: Napster and everybody was like, he really can't, Like, you're
Speaker 2: not helping yourself with this one. And I mean, I
Speaker 2: you know the season desist letter to me and that's
Speaker 2: now public record, and that's not going to help with
Speaker 2: bringing back the audience. It feels like I just don't
Speaker 2: understand the move.
Speaker 1: It's really strange, And you're right, and I love that
Speaker 1: Napster comparison in the same thing too. So what I
Speaker 1: was told when Tucker announced he's doing a show on Twitter,
Speaker 1: the reason why they were doing Twitter is that Twitter
Speaker 1: is not included and is noncompete. So I've not seen
Speaker 1: Tucker's contract, but that's what I was told by people
Speaker 1: who would know, and that's why I decided to go
Speaker 1: to Twitter. But also, you know, if you look at
Speaker 1: that season's assist that Fox sent, it's almost like they're
Speaker 1: implying that he Oh, the language they use was that
Speaker 1: he's rendering services. Well, he's not being paid by Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: He's not making money on Twitter, so I don't legally,
Speaker 1: I don't think that counts as rendering services in a
Speaker 1: legal sense. Secondly, you know, everyone on Fox is allowed
Speaker 1: to have a Twitter account and give their opinions on
Speaker 1: the current political issues of the day on Twitter. So
Speaker 1: you could argue, is Fox doing anything but that? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: is Tucker doing anything but that? If he's just putting
Speaker 1: out videos giving his political opinions of the day not
Speaker 1: making any money off of it, we don't know. But
Speaker 1: he is currently still an employee of Fox News, and
Speaker 1: he's still getting paid to not have a show, And
Speaker 1: the Ceasons Assist letter makes it seem as though Fox
Speaker 1: would like to keep him off the air, and that
Speaker 1: is to keep him silent until his contract runs up,
Speaker 1: which is after the next presidential election. Now that's strange,
Speaker 1: and that's bizarre, especially for a company that's made such
Speaker 1: a rallying cry out a free speech in both censorship
Speaker 1: by the government and by private corporations. They have, you know,
Speaker 1: a segment on every day probably about some corporation trying
Speaker 1: to silence one and yet here they are silencing probably
Speaker 1: the most influential and effective conservative voice in the country.
Speaker 2: Let's come back in a second here with Chad's book,
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Speaker 2: you think chat What do you to learn about Tucker
Speaker 2: from doing a book on him that you didn't know
Speaker 2: before and that people should.
Speaker 1: Know well, you know, he's I knew. I don't think
Speaker 1: many cable nuts hosts really deserve a biography or or
Speaker 1: would be a really interesting one to read, honestly, but
Speaker 1: I kind of always knew, you know, just kind of
Speaker 1: getting known that he was a very interesting and interesting
Speaker 1: guy and a very I think emotionally and intellectually rich guy.
Speaker 1: And he I certainly discovered that, you know, the most
Speaker 1: important things in his life are definitely his relationship with
Speaker 1: his wife and his kids. And his wife, Susie, had
Speaker 1: been together since they were fifteen years old, which is
Speaker 1: pretty amazing, and they just have one of the most
Speaker 1: loving and wonderful relationships I've ever seen. You know. They
Speaker 1: welcomed me to stay in their home while I was
Speaker 1: writing this book, and they were just it was so
Speaker 1: great to see that side of him. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's he comes from a very interesting childhood and background.
Speaker 1: His dad, Dick Carlson's a journalist who's on television as well.
Speaker 1: And Tucker's mother, Lisa Lombardi, she was this California heiress
Speaker 1: and she abandoned his family. She abandoned her children and
Speaker 1: her husband when he was six years old, and Tucker
Speaker 1: never saw her again, so that's sort of an interesting
Speaker 1: thing to delve into. She died in twenty eleven without
Speaker 1: him ever seeing her again after he was six years old,
Speaker 1: and just kind of learning about the history of his
Speaker 1: family on both sides. His father was an orphan. There's
Speaker 1: this sort of long line of abandonment and dysfunction that
Speaker 1: went back generations, and you really see how Tucker has
Speaker 1: organized his life and relationships to really end that and
Speaker 1: to put a stop to that. You know, that was
Speaker 1: a wonderful thing to see. It's also he's just hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's just you can just sit around and talk to
Speaker 1: him for hours and he can talk about anything. So
Speaker 1: for a biographer and for a writer like me, he's
Speaker 1: an absolute dream subject. You just sit down and let
Speaker 1: him rip and you want to get all of it
Speaker 1: down because it's so hilarious and delightful and entertaining. So
Speaker 1: that was a pleasure, you know, just the level to
Speaker 1: which he was so open. He just allowed me into
Speaker 1: his life and didn't think twice about it and trusted me.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's not seen a word of the book,
Speaker 1: nor is he asked to. I'm an independent biographer, so
Speaker 1: that was a really really wonderful to see and experience,
Speaker 1: you know, I always heard he was sort of like that,
Speaker 1: but to actually experience it was really great.
Speaker 2: Just one thing that I always remember about when Tucker
Speaker 2: was doing his show in DC, and I lived in
Speaker 2: DC for a short while about to eighteen months. Uh,
Speaker 2: and I so occasionally I would I would, I know,
Speaker 2: you've been a guest in a show tons of times.
Speaker 2: I used to do a show from time to time,
Speaker 2: and sitting with him on set, it's funny because a
Speaker 2: lot of that and this isn't a knock on anyone
Speaker 2: else and how they do things, but a lot of
Speaker 2: the hosts, when you're either right about to start the
Speaker 2: segment or you know, you're in a break between segments,
Speaker 2: they're just very you know, they have their papers and
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, okay, this is what we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about. They're very Tucker's sitting there, He's.
Speaker 3: Just like, I mean, did you see that guy? And
Speaker 3: like this guy is you know, and like he's he's
Speaker 3: talking to you right before you're about to be on air,
Speaker 3: before three million people are watching. He's talking to you
Speaker 3: like you're like you're sitting next to him at a bar,
Speaker 3: or you're in a boat fly fishing with him or
Speaker 3: whatever and he's just letting it rip and then camera
Speaker 3: and he just goes right.
Speaker 2: But it's you know what I mean, Like other people
Speaker 2: are like, okay, so like this is we're gonna end
Speaker 2: up like reading the prompt and they're all focused and
Speaker 2: they're all you know, they're all in the Ron Burgundy mode.
Speaker 2: Tucker's sitting there like, you know, I never really played lacrosse,
Speaker 2: Like that's interesting, like starts talking about stuff.
Speaker 1: It's so true. I mean that I actually described that
Speaker 1: exact scene in the book because I would sit and
Speaker 1: watch his show and there would always be these local
Speaker 1: people who would come in and watch, just like little
Speaker 1: like you know, guys who lived in the area, like
Speaker 1: little ladies every night, and he'd just be sitting there,
Speaker 1: cutting up, chatting blah blah. Then suddenly could even even
Speaker 1: welcome to the carl Sin tonight and you're like, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: he just went live. Wow, okay every single time, You're
Speaker 1: totally right, that's exactly how it is. And then commercial
Speaker 1: break he's just like chatting, having a great time, and yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's really kind of a fun thing to be
Speaker 1: a part of it to witness for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, can you tell us I want to I want
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Speaker 1: Well a legal battle. It looks like with Fox News
Speaker 1: they're lawyering up. What I suspect is that they might
Speaker 1: have their sites on launching their own media company their
Speaker 1: own channel like I don't know, like The Blazer, Daily
Speaker 1: Wire or something like that. There was actually so funny enough,
Speaker 1: it was sort of common knowledge around Fox for a
Speaker 1: while that they were looking at starting a Tucker Carlson
Speaker 1: channel within Fox News. And once again, how you know,
Speaker 1: short sighted perhaps management was they at the end of
Speaker 1: it decided no, no, no, We're just gonna give you
Speaker 1: two shows on Fox Nation. Fox Nation is the future,
Speaker 1: and that's how it's going to be. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how Fox Nation is doing since Tucker got canned, but
Speaker 1: this has sort of been something that his producers have
Speaker 1: been looking at to do for a while, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if that's the direction that he went. Uh.
Speaker 1: They've told me that they're in no way committed to
Speaker 1: staying on Twitter. They're going to test it out see
Speaker 1: how they like it, but they don't feel committed to
Speaker 1: staying there. And now, of course there's obviously the legal
Speaker 1: issues right now.
Speaker 2: And I have to say my sense of this. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's what I there's what I have heard from people,
Speaker 2: and there's what I've read. Is it Tucker has opened
Speaker 2: has he openly said that he's willing to walk away,
Speaker 2: that Fox doesn't have to pay him. He just wants
Speaker 2: to walk away and let bygones be bygones, and they
Speaker 2: won't let him. Is that the state of affairs right
Speaker 2: now with regard to the next step.
Speaker 1: I believe that's what he has said. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: the exact quote, but it's like these Fox contracts and
Speaker 1: again I haven't seen his can be so onerous that
Speaker 1: it's like they won't even allow him to do that.
Speaker 1: And I believe there's some sort of I can't remember
Speaker 1: what the clause is, but something like well, if you
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, you can start paying us or something
Speaker 1: like that. So, I mean, who knows how how restrictive
Speaker 1: his contract is. This contract, though, was never as restrictive
Speaker 1: as some Fox people. You can just tell by looking.
Speaker 1: Because some Fox people they can't have their image or
Speaker 1: voice appear anywhere, like no podcasts, they can't give speeches
Speaker 1: things like that without you know, getting permissions from Fox.
Speaker 1: That was never the case with Tucker Carlson. He could
Speaker 1: kind of do ever he wanted and the pier where
Speaker 1: he wanted.
Speaker 2: Hmmm. Interesting. Well, I think that the future of the
Speaker 2: digital platforms that are out there is very bright, and
Speaker 2: I think that. I mean, I'll speak from the uh
Speaker 2: from the personal perspective here. I have cut my cable
Speaker 2: cord for the first time, actually, and the only thing
Speaker 2: is funny. I mean, I really, I'll admit, this is
Speaker 2: the only thing that I was really using because I
Speaker 2: don't watch professional sports really like maybe tennis, you know,
Speaker 2: during the US Open or something, but I really don't
Speaker 2: watch sports. The only thing that I would watch with
Speaker 2: my cable subscription was Fox News at eight o'clock. I
Speaker 2: would watch. I usually have time for the whole show,
Speaker 2: but I would watch his monologue and that was it.
Speaker 2: So I'd watched the first fifteen minutes, give or take.
Speaker 2: And since he let and I've cut my cord to
Speaker 2: cable and I sit here and I say, I don't
Speaker 2: miss it at all. And I don't think that business
Speaker 2: model is sustainable long term anymore. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what that means for cable news. CNN is obviously in
Speaker 2: total disarray as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for sure, now like Newsmax is beating CNN
Speaker 1: in some time slots less I saw. It does seem
Speaker 1: like a medium that has lasted longer than anyone would
Speaker 1: expect it to have and it's diminishing returns. I've been
Speaker 1: hearing from years people say that NewsCorp wanted to dump
Speaker 1: Fox and wanted to sell it eventually. This is just
Speaker 1: maybe just chatter, I don't know, because it is diminishing
Speaker 1: returns on cable even though they were number one. And
Speaker 1: of course you can't sell a product like that if
Speaker 1: you have your most famous host is someone who says
Speaker 1: controversial or provocative, as Tucker Carlson. So I've heard those
Speaker 1: sort of rumblings for a long time. Who knows, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing that it still exists in the form
Speaker 1: that it does to begin with.
Speaker 2: One thing I do find troubling though, is that with
Speaker 2: the let's let's say the cable cord cutting does accelerate
Speaker 2: the way that people have been saying, and that I
Speaker 2: do believe it's happening even faster than what the projections
Speaker 2: three four, five years ago anticipated. But YouTube is so powerful, Chad,
Speaker 2: and YouTube is ideologically where Twitter was before Elon bought it.
Speaker 2: And that's what I think people haven't necessarily if you know,
Speaker 2: if you're not really active on YouTube, you don't watch
Speaker 2: much there. That's becoming the single I mean, it is
Speaker 2: the most single powerful digital video platform. But I think
Speaker 2: it's becoming a replacement for a lot of people for
Speaker 2: where they get their news specifically, and they are a
Speaker 2: bunch of damn communists running that place. I don't know
Speaker 2: what we're supposed to do about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point, I mean, and thankfully
Speaker 1: there's some Well what's happening with Twitter is is what
Speaker 1: the show is supposed to be on is Elon's launching.
Speaker 1: This is what Tucker's producers told me, that he's launching
Speaker 1: a video service that's meant to compete with YouTube. I
Speaker 1: always told the name is supposed to be X Video
Speaker 1: because everything's being branded under X, like SpaceX and X Corp.
Speaker 1: Is now what owns Twitter? That sounds like like a
Speaker 1: dirty site to me, But so maybe it'll change a name.
Speaker 1: I don't know, or maybe that's a part of the troll.
Speaker 1: But allegedly what Tucker's show is eventually going to be
Speaker 1: on is this YouTube competitor that's run through Twitter. So
Speaker 1: hopefully that could maybe help with the free speech issues
Speaker 1: and ideological problems of YouTube and made me really put
Speaker 1: a dent in them.
Speaker 2: I like rumble, and I know people be shouting at
Speaker 2: me right now, Like what about Rumble? Like that's fine.
Speaker 2: You know YouTube is in arm of Google, which is
Speaker 2: a subsidiary of Alphabet. I mean, it's like the most
Speaker 2: powerful company in the world, right as much as like
Speaker 2: as much, which I think Rumble is great and I
Speaker 2: do and I love it. They're free speech over there,
Speaker 2: and that's great. Like it's not Google Alphabet. You know
Speaker 2: it's not. You know it's so anyway, I just think
Speaker 2: we got it. We got to sort of stay focused
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Speaker 2: All right, Chad, the Biden White House flies the Pride
Speaker 2: flag over the weekend and says, you know something like
Speaker 2: America is a nation of pride, which I guess is
Speaker 2: like a play on words or a double on taunder
Speaker 2: or whatever. What do you think? What do you think
Speaker 2: when you see this? Because for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: I know, the sentiment starts to feel like is there
Speaker 2: Does anyone understand there can be too much of a
Speaker 2: celebration of anything?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, Well it's a little grotesque, isn't it. And
Speaker 1: it's fact that that new weirdo pride flag with the
Speaker 1: chevrons on it, which I think it's actually like a
Speaker 1: flag of like division. It's not really a unity flag.
Speaker 1: It even looks like a divisive flag. It looks, you know,
Speaker 1: violent and evil, and it's also one that is meant
Speaker 1: to divide the community. I mean, it's all trans focused
Speaker 1: and race focused and it's such the most bizarre thing ever.
Speaker 1: And so even flying that flag is strange. But then,
Speaker 1: of course Biden in his tweet about it, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously he's not the one tweeting, but then makes the
Speaker 1: needs to make the case that we're standing up for
Speaker 1: transgender children or whatever. If he couldn't be even more
Speaker 1: creepy and disgusting when you see that flag, Now, that's
Speaker 1: all you can think about. All you can think about
Speaker 1: is what they're doing to kids, the stuff in schools,
Speaker 1: the transing of kids. It's disgusting. It's not like even
Speaker 1: like the little innocent rainbow like Okay, we're gonna, like,
Speaker 1: you know, let an identity group have their day at
Speaker 1: the White House. It seems a little more sinister than that.
Speaker 1: And and also like at this point has absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: to do with like what gay rights or recognition. It's
Speaker 1: all about this bizarre queer critical theory ideology. That's what
Speaker 1: that flag is. It has nothing to do with individual
Speaker 1: people or rights or or anything of that nature.
Speaker 2: Is there is there a growing sense in some quarters
Speaker 2: within the gay community, Chad, that this activists it seems
Speaker 2: like all in stance on trans hormones and surgery for
Speaker 2: minors and drag queens story hour like, and there's always
Speaker 2: this harnessing of gay rights to this issue, as though
Speaker 2: these are the same issues that I'm sitting here, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, I'm not in any of these communities
Speaker 2: so to speak, but they're not the same issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, there's I mean this is
Speaker 1: perhaps anecdotal. Well, I guess the only way you can
Speaker 1: quantify this with data is if you look at the
Speaker 1: gay how gay votes to increase for Donald Trump in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty to twenty sixteen, which it double to nearly
Speaker 1: thirty percent in twenty twenty compared to about fifteen percent
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen for Donald Trump. So I think you're
Speaker 1: seeing not only this what's happening with the sort of
Speaker 1: lgbtqiias two S plus plus whatever being just solely focused
Speaker 1: on gender ideology and queer theory and this radical kids stuff,
Speaker 1: but you're also seeing a coincide at the time where
Speaker 1: gay people are growing up, they have their rights, so
Speaker 1: they're con turned with kitchen table issues, and so you know,
Speaker 1: they're watching this wacky stuff happening on the left and
Speaker 1: then maybe they're thinking, eh, you know, like maybe I
Speaker 1: want lower taxes, maybe I want safe streets. Fifteen percent
Speaker 1: of same sex couples now have at least one child
Speaker 1: at home, compared to thirty eight percent of straight couples.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you're seeing a move. I think
Speaker 1: you're seeing a big division of this. I think you're
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of gay people who are are leaving
Speaker 1: the left and the Democrat Party based on they're getting
Speaker 1: older the Republican Party no longer really cares about this stuff,
Speaker 1: and they're also watching this insanity that's happening on the
Speaker 1: left and these really horrible things that are being done
Speaker 1: and committed in the name of them and in their identity.
Speaker 2: What is I hear this term used a lot, and
Speaker 2: just just in Layman's terms, right, what is queer theory?
Speaker 1: Like? What is that?
Speaker 2: Even I hear it talked about.
Speaker 1: What is it? What is it? What does it mean?
Speaker 1: I mean if I tried to unpack it, I would
Speaker 1: have an aneurysm. But you can think of it as
Speaker 1: like like critical race theories, gender cousin. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like an academic philosophy about essentially, you know,
Speaker 1: gender being a social construct and then you know sexuality, which.
Speaker 2: Its tiers of tiers of oppression within it is that
Speaker 2: it's like intersectionality, but gender not race, Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And when you think of it, and one
Speaker 1: of the main arguments is that gender is absolutely not real.
Speaker 1: It's completely made up and people are born blank slates
Speaker 1: and they're all conditioned to a certain way, which if
Speaker 1: that's true, that like negates the whole argument of what
Speaker 1: a homosexual is, which is somebody whose same sex attract
Speaker 1: because queer theory literally says there's no such thing as
Speaker 1: sex or gender. So it's it's not it's it's a
Speaker 1: bizarre Marxist theory that has been that has co opted
Speaker 1: the gay rights movement and the massive infrastructure the gay
Speaker 1: rights movement has built over the last few decades, the
Speaker 1: amount of money that those organizations have, it's been co
Speaker 1: opted by this strange academic gender theory. That's that's absolute
Speaker 1: just Marxism.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Chad as a gay man, like, what
Speaker 2: what is the like the gay the gay rights movement?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you can always argue that there's you know,
Speaker 2: there are you know, perceptions can change or whatever in society,
Speaker 2: But in terms of like as a legal matter, what
Speaker 2: are the other what are the other gay rights that
Speaker 2: the gay rights movement is supposed to be fighting for? Right,
Speaker 2: it almost feels like there's this there's this army of
Speaker 2: activists that have to find a war to fight, and
Speaker 2: so transgenderism becomes that war because the other war what
Speaker 2: are they fighting?
Speaker 1: Well, and even ironically, and you're correct about that, and
Speaker 1: there are any rights that we don't have, but ironically,
Speaker 1: these people who talk nothing about violence, and they start
Speaker 1: and they talk about if you don't use someone's pronoun
Speaker 1: and you're literally killing them or you're helping insmit suicide
Speaker 1: or whatever. Well, you know, there are places in the
Speaker 1: world where they could cause play as heroes and activists,
Speaker 1: and they're not in the United States. They're in the
Speaker 1: sixty something nations. It still criminalize homosexuality, especially those that
Speaker 1: will put gays to death. You know, places like Iran,
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, and by the way, in Afghanistan during the
Speaker 1: American occupation, you couldn't put gay people to death. As
Speaker 1: soon as Joe Biden's disastrous pull out, what's one of
Speaker 1: the first things that Taliban did. They reinstated the death
Speaker 1: penalty for homosexuality. So there are places in the world
Speaker 1: where these people could go and maybe try to have
Speaker 1: a difference and actually do humanitarian work. Instead they try
Speaker 1: to focus on dismantling systems here and pushing everyone and
Speaker 1: mutilating experimenting on children for some sick reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Chadwick, we'll continue to talk to you about
Speaker 2: this and more. When does Tucker the book come out?
Speaker 1: It is available for pre order now anywhere you get
Speaker 1: your books, so you go to tuckerthbook dot com and
Speaker 1: then it comes out July eighteenth, So if you order
Speaker 1: it now, you'll get that bookshipped to you on July eighteenth.
Speaker 2: I mean, since you're doing a podcast with me, I
Speaker 2: want to sign a copy. Obviously i'll buy it. Obviously
Speaker 2: i'll buy it because I like to support the author.
Speaker 2: But you got to sign it for me, all right, deal?
Speaker 1: Of course thatunds.
Speaker 2: Good Bye man, thank you, and good work. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Thanks man,