WEBVTT - Chadwick Moore - Tucker Carlson Has Big Plans 0:00:11.697 --> 0:00:14.937 You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.977 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:18.017 --> 0:00:19.897 wherever you get your podcasts. 0:00:20.217 --> 0:00:23.777 Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode, 0:00:23.817 --> 0:00:28.817 we have our friend Chadwick Moore. Chad is an author. 0:00:29.257 --> 0:00:33.977 He is the author of The Upcoming Tucker, a book 0:00:34.017 --> 0:00:37.817 about Tucker Carlson, a biography of the man himself. He 0:00:37.857 --> 0:00:41.897 also writes for The Spectator and other cool places. Mister Chadwick, 0:00:41.937 --> 0:00:43.697 good to have you back on the program, sir. 0:00:44.177 --> 0:00:45.657 Hey always good to be here, Buck. 0:00:46.217 --> 0:00:48.657 So you know, I remember they used to tell us 0:00:48.697 --> 0:00:52.297 some story that there was like once when I was 0:00:52.297 --> 0:00:54.217 working in the government, that there was like one State 0:00:54.257 --> 0:00:57.817 Department analyst. I think maybe this is totally urban legend 0:00:57.857 --> 0:00:59.417 from the the community, but this is what they used 0:00:59.417 --> 0:01:03.177 to say. There's like one State Department guy who and 0:01:03.217 --> 0:01:05.297 there's usually a million of them on everything, who was 0:01:05.337 --> 0:01:07.897 covering East Tmoor. And if you remember, there was a 0:01:07.937 --> 0:01:10.257 time back in the East t Moore there was a 0:01:10.297 --> 0:01:11.897 you know, a conflict and I think it was a 0:01:11.897 --> 0:01:13.737 genocide And think is that horrible? And I'm like it 0:01:13.817 --> 0:01:15.737 was the one guy he was right at the place 0:01:15.857 --> 0:01:18.897 right at the time. I mean, Tucker is a very 0:01:18.977 --> 0:01:22.017 very well known name across the board. But to be 0:01:22.057 --> 0:01:24.537 writing the book on the guy who becomes the center 0:01:24.577 --> 0:01:27.137 of the cable news universe for no longer being on 0:01:27.217 --> 0:01:29.777 cable news must be quite a trip. I mean, you 0:01:29.857 --> 0:01:33.577 kind of are the analyst on the issue in cable 0:01:33.577 --> 0:01:34.737 news right now, which is Tucker. 0:01:34.737 --> 0:01:38.897 What was that like, Yeah, it was a trip to 0:01:38.937 --> 0:01:41.177 be I mean, well, it was well, just you know, 0:01:41.217 --> 0:01:43.577 we started this over a year ago working on this book, 0:01:43.617 --> 0:01:47.417 and I had submitted my manuscript in March, only two 0:01:47.457 --> 0:01:49.457 months after my deadline, which is pretty good for a book, 0:01:49.897 --> 0:01:51.937 and we were going through the edding process. We were 0:01:51.937 --> 0:01:55.457 already done with it, and I had the day that 0:01:55.537 --> 0:01:57.257 he so I was on Tucker's last show that we 0:01:57.257 --> 0:01:58.857 didn't know was gonna be his last show, which was 0:01:58.897 --> 0:02:02.617 April twenty first, and that day I actually had a 0:02:02.617 --> 0:02:05.057 phone call with him scheduled for my final phone call. 0:02:05.097 --> 0:02:07.737 I had literally five questions laid out, like did I 0:02:07.737 --> 0:02:11.417 get this right? Can you explain this more? And he 0:02:11.497 --> 0:02:13.137 had a flight that was delayed and he was like, 0:02:13.177 --> 0:02:15.177 I'm so sorry. Can we reschedule this for Monday? And 0:02:15.177 --> 0:02:17.497 I said sure, I'll text you Monday morning. And then 0:02:17.537 --> 0:02:20.497 Monday morning, I saw I got the news like everyone 0:02:20.497 --> 0:02:22.177 else did. I saw on Twitter that his show was 0:02:22.217 --> 0:02:25.017 got pulled off the air. So, you know, of course, 0:02:25.457 --> 0:02:28.337 my publisher, my editor calls me. Almost sounded like he 0:02:28.377 --> 0:02:30.017 was in tears, like what are we going to do? 0:02:30.057 --> 0:02:33.857 What is going on? And it was of course I 0:02:33.897 --> 0:02:35.937 texted Tucker. Didn't hear back for a few days because 0:02:36.097 --> 0:02:38.937 everyone in the world was texting him. But you know, 0:02:39.057 --> 0:02:40.777 after we kind of the dust settled a bit and 0:02:40.817 --> 0:02:42.257 we thought about it for a minute. We were like, 0:02:42.697 --> 0:02:45.217 this doesn't really change anything about the book. We just 0:02:45.257 --> 0:02:48.297 have to go back and change a tense from present 0:02:48.337 --> 0:02:50.657 to past tense when we talked about his Fox two show. 0:02:50.857 --> 0:02:52.177 And then also we need to add to the book. 0:02:52.217 --> 0:02:54.777 So I got to interview him twice since the show 0:02:54.897 --> 0:02:56.897 was taken off the air, and added two new chapters 0:02:56.937 --> 0:02:59.257 to the book. Because it was a book, you know, 0:02:59.297 --> 0:03:01.377 about his life and who he is as a person 0:03:01.497 --> 0:03:04.497 and as a man, and just what his world's like. 0:03:04.577 --> 0:03:07.417 So I suppose with the book, nothing really much had 0:03:07.417 --> 0:03:10.177 to change. We just had to add to it. But 0:03:10.257 --> 0:03:13.137 it's I guess it's kind of a trip that yes, 0:03:13.257 --> 0:03:15.777 this did happen right as we were getting ready to 0:03:15.897 --> 0:03:18.857 announce the book. I mean we were The original publication 0:03:18.937 --> 0:03:20.777 date was May thirty first, so we've had the public 0:03:20.777 --> 0:03:24.417 push it back to July eighteenth now. But yeah, it's 0:03:24.457 --> 0:03:27.497 been it's been pretty wild. Now. 0:03:28.017 --> 0:03:30.217 What can you tell us about I mean, there's so 0:03:30.297 --> 0:03:31.737 much stuff that I want to ask you, but I 0:03:31.737 --> 0:03:33.817 don't see Unlike I know when people used to ask 0:03:33.857 --> 0:03:36.017 me questions when I when I came out of government, 0:03:36.177 --> 0:03:37.537 It's like, don't ask me the questions you know I 0:03:37.537 --> 0:03:39.537 can't answer because that's no fun because I'm just going 0:03:39.617 --> 0:03:41.217 to not answer them. So I'm trying to ask you 0:03:41.257 --> 0:03:43.537 things that I know you'll be able to answer without 0:03:43.657 --> 0:03:45.497 you know, either spilling too much of what would be 0:03:45.537 --> 0:03:48.337 in the book. But also I know you're having a 0:03:48.377 --> 0:03:52.937 lot of conversations probably these days that are certainly non 0:03:52.937 --> 0:03:55.537 attribution and maybe even off the record and effect about this. 0:03:56.297 --> 0:04:00.297 What do we know about why Fox made the decision 0:04:00.337 --> 0:04:02.777 that they did at this point in time? Like what 0:04:02.977 --> 0:04:03.497 is known? 0:04:06.097 --> 0:04:09.177 Well, there's nothing we can say with absolute certainty because 0:04:09.217 --> 0:04:12.377 there's no documentary of this. But what is known, I 0:04:12.377 --> 0:04:15.737 think we can say with a relative amount of fact 0:04:16.057 --> 0:04:21.657 is that it was something to do with the dominion situation, 0:04:22.017 --> 0:04:24.017 all right. It was as a result of the of 0:04:24.057 --> 0:04:26.617 the deafamation suit and the settlement. Now, whether it was 0:04:26.657 --> 0:04:29.337 a condition in the settlement or not, we don't know. 0:04:29.937 --> 0:04:33.097 My sources told me that it was. That these are 0:04:33.177 --> 0:04:36.097 more than one source who I believe would know, and 0:04:36.257 --> 0:04:38.897 these are people who've not misled me before, and I 0:04:38.937 --> 0:04:40.657 don't have any reason to believe they would mislead me 0:04:40.697 --> 0:04:42.657 now or that they have any reason to lie or 0:04:42.697 --> 0:04:45.137 make this up. That is what I was told. Now, 0:04:45.577 --> 0:04:47.897 if you'd ask to me what my theory would have been, 0:04:47.937 --> 0:04:49.857 I never would have said that to be the case, 0:04:49.897 --> 0:04:52.217 that it was, that it was a conditioned settlement. Dominions 0:04:52.257 --> 0:04:56.057 of course denied this. Fox has denied this. That's what 0:04:56.137 --> 0:04:58.897 I was told. My theory would have been that it 0:04:58.937 --> 0:05:03.737 was essentially Rupert Murdoch someone at Fox Fox Management wanting 0:05:03.777 --> 0:05:06.737 to make an example out of Tucker Carlson, because everyone 0:05:06.777 --> 0:05:09.817 I talked to at Fox, all the producers of former 0:05:09.857 --> 0:05:12.977 ten current people who work there, have all told me 0:05:13.017 --> 0:05:15.777 the same thing about this, and they when asked, this 0:05:15.817 --> 0:05:18.057 makes no sense. Why would Fox News take the ratings 0:05:18.097 --> 0:05:20.257 juggernaut off the air, and everyone says the same thing. 0:05:20.297 --> 0:05:22.697 They say, management is literally stupid. This is just what 0:05:22.737 --> 0:05:24.817 they say to me. And that the fact that they 0:05:24.857 --> 0:05:28.337 didn't understand that Tucker had a brand that was as powerful, 0:05:28.337 --> 0:05:31.097 if not more powerful, than the entire network. They sort 0:05:31.137 --> 0:05:34.817 of thought, well, we lost big talent before Bill O'Reilly, Megan, Kelly, 0:05:34.897 --> 0:05:38.257 Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, and we were always fine. So 0:05:38.297 --> 0:05:40.377 people told me they didn't really understand the fact that 0:05:40.457 --> 0:05:43.777 Tucker Carlson isn't really seen as just a talk show host. 0:05:43.817 --> 0:05:46.137 He's really seen as a political movement, and he was 0:05:46.177 --> 0:05:48.817 bringing so many people to cable news and to Fox 0:05:48.817 --> 0:05:51.057 that normally wouldn't be there, to the point where he 0:05:51.097 --> 0:05:53.777 was almost artificially extending the life in relevance of cable 0:05:53.777 --> 0:05:56.697 news all on his own. So my gut would have 0:05:56.737 --> 0:05:58.617 told me that it was someone trying to make an 0:05:58.617 --> 0:06:01.457 example out of him to get everyone in line at Fox, 0:06:01.697 --> 0:06:04.777 because he did not push those those theories about the 0:06:04.817 --> 0:06:07.137 voting machines being rigged at all. In fact, he pushed 0:06:07.177 --> 0:06:10.537 against them quite strongly. Other Fox personalities that did push 0:06:10.577 --> 0:06:12.897 those theories are still on the air, they still have jobs. 0:06:13.257 --> 0:06:15.577 That's what my gut would have told me, I had 0:06:15.577 --> 0:06:17.857 sources tell me something else. So that's sort of where 0:06:17.897 --> 0:06:19.617 we're at. But I think we can safely say it 0:06:19.697 --> 0:06:21.737 had something to do with the Diminian situation. 0:06:22.617 --> 0:06:27.897 Does Fox recognize what people are starting to say that 0:06:27.937 --> 0:06:32.537 Fox bud lighted itself with this move? Now that might 0:06:32.577 --> 0:06:35.897 be a bit extreme, but what do you see? What 0:06:35.937 --> 0:06:36.497 do you think? 0:06:37.497 --> 0:06:40.937 Well, just percentage wise, the numbers are worse than bud Light, 0:06:40.977 --> 0:06:43.097 I mean bud Light. We had these great visuals everywhere, 0:06:43.257 --> 0:06:45.537 like the empty store, the empty shelves, and bud Light 0:06:45.537 --> 0:06:48.137 being still given away for free. But Fox's numbers are 0:06:48.297 --> 0:06:51.297 bud Lights down like twenty five percent in sales. Fox's 0:06:51.337 --> 0:06:54.017 numbers are down like sixty two percent in the key 0:06:54.017 --> 0:06:57.657 demographic and forty percent or thirty seven percent year over 0:06:57.777 --> 0:06:58.537 year from last year. 0:06:58.697 --> 0:07:00.897 Is at a percentage just in the eight o'clock hour. 0:07:01.057 --> 0:07:02.657 Is that across primetime. 0:07:02.257 --> 0:07:05.657 That's across that's across all primetime, that's across the entire network. Actually, 0:07:06.057 --> 0:07:09.737 and Tucker was number one in the key demographic in 0:07:09.777 --> 0:07:12.177 all of cable, which is a twenty five to fifty 0:07:12.177 --> 0:07:14.337 four year old demographic. Here's also number one in twenty 0:07:14.337 --> 0:07:16.497 five to fifty four year old democrats in all of 0:07:16.577 --> 0:07:19.097 cable more Democrats at that age watched his show than 0:07:19.097 --> 0:07:23.737 any other cable news show, So percentage wise, it's pretty bad. 0:07:23.817 --> 0:07:25.817 I mean, I don't know, if you know it's a 0:07:25.857 --> 0:07:28.777 similar situation to bud Light. People say because it's an 0:07:28.777 --> 0:07:32.257 example of Fox News betraying their customer, betraying their base, 0:07:32.337 --> 0:07:35.097 their their core audience. I mean, people are really taking 0:07:35.137 --> 0:07:38.857 this seriously. And you know, it almost seems like now 0:07:38.897 --> 0:07:40.657 because Fox has done a lot of things to really 0:07:40.737 --> 0:07:44.777 annoy and piss off its audience, and most prominently, I'm 0:07:44.817 --> 0:07:47.777 thinking before this, I'm thinking of calling They called Arizona 0:07:47.937 --> 0:07:50.577 quite early for Joe Biden. But it seems like a 0:07:50.577 --> 0:07:52.657 lot of people would continue to watch Fox, or at 0:07:52.737 --> 0:07:55.777 least Tucker and kind of give the network a pass. 0:07:55.817 --> 0:07:58.377 I don't think a lot of people were misled about 0:07:58.377 --> 0:08:00.017 what kind of a company News Corp. Is. They know 0:08:00.057 --> 0:08:03.457 it's a big, globalist, multinational corporation. They probably weren't happy 0:08:03.537 --> 0:08:05.057 with a lot of their investors and the things that 0:08:05.097 --> 0:08:07.097 News Corp. Is up to, But perhaps they would give 0:08:07.137 --> 0:08:09.937 News Corp a pass because they allowed Tucker Carlson to speak, 0:08:10.417 --> 0:08:12.817 and you know, they must a lot of people must thought, well, 0:08:12.897 --> 0:08:14.537 they let this guy say the things he does, they 0:08:14.537 --> 0:08:16.617 can't be that bad now that they've gotten rid of 0:08:16.657 --> 0:08:20.577 him in such a mysterious and unceremonious way. I don't 0:08:20.577 --> 0:08:23.497 think those people are coming back. It's been uh, you know, 0:08:23.777 --> 0:08:26.857 over it's been six weeks now and they haven't returned. 0:08:28.297 --> 0:08:31.497 I've never seen anything like it, certainly in the in 0:08:31.577 --> 0:08:34.217 the TV news business. I don't know if anyone could 0:08:34.257 --> 0:08:37.297 point to something similar in the past. It's obviously different 0:08:37.297 --> 0:08:40.777 than the departure of both Bill Arelly and Megan Kelly. Right, 0:08:40.937 --> 0:08:44.017 Fox wanted Megan to today, she decided to leave. Bill 0:08:44.217 --> 0:08:47.617 had to go, and nobody really, even in the audience 0:08:47.657 --> 0:08:51.617 I think, blamed Fox for that. I don't I don't remember. 0:08:51.657 --> 0:08:52.857 There are a lot of being like, oh my god, 0:08:52.897 --> 0:08:55.137 how could you fire him based on the facts of 0:08:55.177 --> 0:08:56.977 the case as it was at the time, despite the 0:08:56.977 --> 0:09:00.017 fact that he was had big ratings. This feels very 0:09:00.137 --> 0:09:02.937 very different, and and it also, you know, as I 0:09:02.977 --> 0:09:05.417 sit here and speak to you, there's all this reporting 0:09:05.497 --> 0:09:08.897 over Fox sending a cease and desist letter for Tucker 0:09:08.937 --> 0:09:13.977 to stop posting video of himself that is a monologue 0:09:14.017 --> 0:09:18.777 but you know, it's on Twitter. To me, this is 0:09:18.817 --> 0:09:21.617 starting to feel a little bit like do you remember 0:09:21.657 --> 0:09:26.177 when some of the record recording companies record companies were 0:09:26.217 --> 0:09:29.097 suing like fourteen year old kids for downloading stuff on 0:09:29.177 --> 0:09:33.057 Napster and everybody was like, he really can't, Like, you're 0:09:33.097 --> 0:09:35.577 not helping yourself with this one. And I mean, I 0:09:35.737 --> 0:09:38.937 you know the season desist letter to me and that's 0:09:38.977 --> 0:09:42.177 now public record, and that's not going to help with 0:09:42.217 --> 0:09:44.137 bringing back the audience. It feels like I just don't 0:09:44.217 --> 0:09:45.057 understand the move. 0:09:46.777 --> 0:09:49.097 It's really strange, And you're right, and I love that 0:09:49.177 --> 0:09:52.857 Napster comparison in the same thing too. So what I 0:09:52.897 --> 0:09:56.137 was told when Tucker announced he's doing a show on Twitter, 0:09:56.177 --> 0:09:58.257 the reason why they were doing Twitter is that Twitter 0:09:58.337 --> 0:10:01.017 is not included and is noncompete. So I've not seen 0:10:01.057 --> 0:10:03.777 Tucker's contract, but that's what I was told by people 0:10:03.777 --> 0:10:05.897 who would know, and that's why I decided to go 0:10:05.937 --> 0:10:08.297 to Twitter. But also, you know, if you look at 0:10:08.297 --> 0:10:10.937 that season's assist that Fox sent, it's almost like they're 0:10:10.977 --> 0:10:13.737 implying that he Oh, the language they use was that 0:10:13.777 --> 0:10:17.097 he's rendering services. Well, he's not being paid by Elon Musk. 0:10:17.097 --> 0:10:19.417 He's not making money on Twitter, so I don't legally, 0:10:19.417 --> 0:10:21.937 I don't think that counts as rendering services in a 0:10:22.017 --> 0:10:25.377 legal sense. Secondly, you know, everyone on Fox is allowed 0:10:25.417 --> 0:10:27.777 to have a Twitter account and give their opinions on 0:10:28.217 --> 0:10:30.697 the current political issues of the day on Twitter. So 0:10:31.377 --> 0:10:34.177 you could argue, is Fox doing anything but that? I'm sorry, 0:10:34.217 --> 0:10:36.377 is Tucker doing anything but that? If he's just putting 0:10:36.417 --> 0:10:38.497 out videos giving his political opinions of the day not 0:10:38.497 --> 0:10:40.897 making any money off of it, we don't know. But 0:10:41.137 --> 0:10:43.697 he is currently still an employee of Fox News, and 0:10:43.777 --> 0:10:46.217 he's still getting paid to not have a show, And 0:10:46.257 --> 0:10:49.777 the Ceasons Assist letter makes it seem as though Fox 0:10:49.817 --> 0:10:51.777 would like to keep him off the air, and that 0:10:51.897 --> 0:10:54.537 is to keep him silent until his contract runs up, 0:10:54.577 --> 0:10:57.417 which is after the next presidential election. Now that's strange, 0:10:57.417 --> 0:11:00.697 and that's bizarre, especially for a company that's made such 0:11:00.697 --> 0:11:03.057 a rallying cry out a free speech in both censorship 0:11:03.057 --> 0:11:06.017 by the government and by private corporations. They have, you know, 0:11:06.017 --> 0:11:09.457 a segment on every day probably about some corporation trying 0:11:09.457 --> 0:11:13.017 to silence one and yet here they are silencing probably 0:11:13.097 --> 0:11:16.417 the most influential and effective conservative voice in the country. 0:11:17.657 --> 0:11:20.777 Let's come back in a second here with Chad's book, 0:11:20.857 --> 0:11:24.297 Tucker and Chadwick. I want to know what you learned 0:11:24.297 --> 0:11:26.977 about Tucker for this but that people might not know, right, 0:11:27.017 --> 0:11:28.817 I mean, we know him from the TV presence, but 0:11:29.577 --> 0:11:31.617 want to see what you can tell us about what 0:11:31.697 --> 0:11:34.817 the man behind the show is really like. So we'll 0:11:34.817 --> 0:11:36.977 get to that in just a second. 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Send me some comments what 0:13:06.497 --> 0:13:09.817 you think chat What do you to learn about Tucker 0:13:09.817 --> 0:13:11.257 from doing a book on him that you didn't know 0:13:11.297 --> 0:13:12.737 before and that people should. 0:13:12.497 --> 0:13:17.297 Know well, you know, he's I knew. I don't think 0:13:17.377 --> 0:13:20.137 many cable nuts hosts really deserve a biography or or 0:13:20.297 --> 0:13:22.617 would be a really interesting one to read, honestly, but 0:13:22.697 --> 0:13:25.017 I kind of always knew, you know, just kind of 0:13:25.017 --> 0:13:27.977 getting known that he was a very interesting and interesting 0:13:28.017 --> 0:13:32.297 guy and a very I think emotionally and intellectually rich guy. 0:13:32.337 --> 0:13:35.057 And he I certainly discovered that, you know, the most 0:13:35.057 --> 0:13:38.097 important things in his life are definitely his relationship with 0:13:38.097 --> 0:13:40.297 his wife and his kids. And his wife, Susie, had 0:13:40.297 --> 0:13:42.297 been together since they were fifteen years old, which is 0:13:42.297 --> 0:13:44.657 pretty amazing, and they just have one of the most 0:13:44.697 --> 0:13:46.977 loving and wonderful relationships I've ever seen. You know. They 0:13:47.057 --> 0:13:48.577 welcomed me to stay in their home while I was 0:13:48.617 --> 0:13:52.657 writing this book, and they were just it was so 0:13:52.697 --> 0:13:55.097 great to see that side of him. But you know, 0:13:55.177 --> 0:13:59.057 it's it's he comes from a very interesting childhood and background. 0:13:59.097 --> 0:14:02.017 His dad, Dick Carlson's a journalist who's on television as well. 0:14:02.777 --> 0:14:07.897 And Tucker's mother, Lisa Lombardi, she was this California heiress 0:14:07.977 --> 0:14:11.617 and she abandoned his family. She abandoned her children and 0:14:11.617 --> 0:14:13.297 her husband when he was six years old, and Tucker 0:14:13.337 --> 0:14:15.777 never saw her again, so that's sort of an interesting 0:14:15.817 --> 0:14:18.457 thing to delve into. She died in twenty eleven without 0:14:18.497 --> 0:14:20.737 him ever seeing her again after he was six years old, 0:14:21.257 --> 0:14:23.737 and just kind of learning about the history of his 0:14:24.457 --> 0:14:27.337 family on both sides. His father was an orphan. There's 0:14:27.377 --> 0:14:29.937 this sort of long line of abandonment and dysfunction that 0:14:30.057 --> 0:14:33.017 went back generations, and you really see how Tucker has 0:14:33.937 --> 0:14:37.177 organized his life and relationships to really end that and 0:14:38.017 --> 0:14:40.057 to put a stop to that. You know, that was 0:14:40.097 --> 0:14:42.817 a wonderful thing to see. It's also he's just hilarious. 0:14:42.977 --> 0:14:44.777 It's just you can just sit around and talk to 0:14:44.817 --> 0:14:47.257 him for hours and he can talk about anything. So 0:14:47.417 --> 0:14:49.337 for a biographer and for a writer like me, he's 0:14:49.377 --> 0:14:51.777 an absolute dream subject. You just sit down and let 0:14:51.817 --> 0:14:53.497 him rip and you want to get all of it 0:14:53.577 --> 0:14:56.777 down because it's so hilarious and delightful and entertaining. So 0:14:56.817 --> 0:14:58.377 that was a pleasure, you know, just the level to 0:14:58.417 --> 0:15:00.977 which he was so open. He just allowed me into 0:15:00.977 --> 0:15:05.297 his life and didn't think twice about it and trusted me. 0:15:05.817 --> 0:15:07.457 And you know, he's not seen a word of the book, 0:15:07.457 --> 0:15:10.697 nor is he asked to. I'm an independent biographer, so 0:15:10.737 --> 0:15:13.737 that was a really really wonderful to see and experience, 0:15:13.817 --> 0:15:15.297 you know, I always heard he was sort of like that, 0:15:15.337 --> 0:15:17.097 but to actually experience it was really great. 0:15:17.337 --> 0:15:19.857 Just one thing that I always remember about when Tucker 0:15:19.937 --> 0:15:21.977 was doing his show in DC, and I lived in 0:15:22.057 --> 0:15:25.377 DC for a short while about to eighteen months. Uh, 0:15:25.577 --> 0:15:27.297 and I so occasionally I would I would, I know, 0:15:27.337 --> 0:15:29.097 you've been a guest in a show tons of times. 0:15:29.137 --> 0:15:31.497 I used to do a show from time to time, 0:15:31.657 --> 0:15:34.697 and sitting with him on set, it's funny because a 0:15:34.697 --> 0:15:36.977 lot of that and this isn't a knock on anyone 0:15:36.977 --> 0:15:38.737 else and how they do things, but a lot of 0:15:38.737 --> 0:15:40.537 the hosts, when you're either right about to start the 0:15:40.577 --> 0:15:42.737 segment or you know, you're in a break between segments, 0:15:43.137 --> 0:15:44.857 they're just very you know, they have their papers and 0:15:44.857 --> 0:15:46.217 they're like, you know, okay, this is what we're gonna 0:15:46.257 --> 0:15:48.297 talk about. They're very Tucker's sitting there, He's. 0:15:48.137 --> 0:15:49.897 Just like, I mean, did you see that guy? And 0:15:50.057 --> 0:15:52.097 like this guy is you know, and like he's he's 0:15:52.177 --> 0:15:55.177 talking to you right before you're about to be on air, 0:15:55.217 --> 0:15:58.017 before three million people are watching. He's talking to you 0:15:58.097 --> 0:16:00.097 like you're like you're sitting next to him at a bar, 0:16:00.617 --> 0:16:02.577 or you're in a boat fly fishing with him or 0:16:02.617 --> 0:16:04.897 whatever and he's just letting it rip and then camera 0:16:04.937 --> 0:16:05.937 and he just goes right. 0:16:05.937 --> 0:16:07.817 But it's you know what I mean, Like other people 0:16:07.817 --> 0:16:09.257 are like, okay, so like this is we're gonna end 0:16:09.337 --> 0:16:10.937 up like reading the prompt and they're all focused and 0:16:10.937 --> 0:16:13.417 they're all you know, they're all in the Ron Burgundy mode. 0:16:13.497 --> 0:16:17.057 Tucker's sitting there like, you know, I never really played lacrosse, 0:16:17.057 --> 0:16:19.377 Like that's interesting, like starts talking about stuff. 0:16:20.297 --> 0:16:22.857 It's so true. I mean that I actually described that 0:16:22.937 --> 0:16:24.737 exact scene in the book because I would sit and 0:16:24.737 --> 0:16:27.017 watch his show and there would always be these local 0:16:27.057 --> 0:16:29.297 people who would come in and watch, just like little 0:16:29.337 --> 0:16:31.497 like you know, guys who lived in the area, like 0:16:31.537 --> 0:16:34.097 little ladies every night, and he'd just be sitting there, 0:16:34.097 --> 0:16:36.097 cutting up, chatting blah blah. Then suddenly could even even 0:16:36.097 --> 0:16:38.137 welcome to the carl Sin tonight and you're like, whoa, whoa, 0:16:38.177 --> 0:16:41.257 he just went live. Wow, okay every single time, You're 0:16:41.297 --> 0:16:43.897 totally right, that's exactly how it is. 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