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Speaker 2: You get it at the price you deserve.

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Speaker 1: I think capitalism has been bastardized in many ways. More

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Speaker 3: How do you think bitcoin can help renew or fix

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Speaker 3: the American dream? What does that American dream mean to you? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: I want to know from a family escaping communist Poland,

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Speaker 1: Well, I sort of consider myself an accidental entrepreneur. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love a lot of that one. I kind

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: When you see so many people, prominent people even look

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Speaker 3: Do you think the American dream is dead?

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Speaker 1: I think bitcoin restores the American dream because it offers

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Speaker 3: getting cheaper, right, life is getting better, and so how

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Speaker 3: much of it is just sort of like giving them

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Speaker 3: something that can give them hope and then they can

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Speaker 3: have that paradigm shift and they can start building.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, negativity breeds negativity, Positivity breeds positivity. I really

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Speaker 1: think it's important who you surround yourself with and the

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Speaker 1: attitude that you take. This is one of my favorite

445
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Speaker 1: things actually about Jeff Booth and sort of the peaceful,

446
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Speaker 1: calm zen message that he shares with the world because

447
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Speaker 1: he talks about how you know you are sort of

448
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Speaker 1: a reflection of what you surround yourself with. And so

449
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Speaker 1: if you look out into the world and all you

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Speaker 1: see is doom and gloom and the heartbreak and the suffering,

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Speaker 1: that's what will come find you. And there's like this

452
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Speaker 1: reciprocal relationship, a law of attraction, so to speak. If

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Speaker 1: you put out negativity, it will shine like a mirror

454
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Speaker 1: back at you.

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Speaker 2: If you put out positivity, if you.

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Speaker 1: Surround yourself with people that will help you grow and

457
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Speaker 1: push you, and and you think about the future in

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Speaker 1: a way where you look at it in a positive light,

459
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Speaker 1: like what can I do? How can I be of

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Speaker 1: service to others? How can I grow? How can I achieve?

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Speaker 1: That will come to you you make it yourself. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's really important because you probably know too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, today online doom cells really well like doom poor.

464
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Speaker 1: You know everyone it's like the click bait. Everyone's waiting

465
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Speaker 1: for the crash. When's the market going to crash? And

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Speaker 1: it's true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could get a lot of views with

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Speaker 2: that message.

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Speaker 1: And I'll never forget when I was in grad school,

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Speaker 1: you know, some some of us would question, why do

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Speaker 1: we always have to cover such terrible stories? Right, It's

472
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Speaker 1: like we were told, if it bleeds, it leaves. You know,

473
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Speaker 1: do you really want to be watching every single night

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Speaker 1: just like, you know, tragedy after tragedy, after murder, after

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Speaker 1: loss after suffering, Like why isn't there a program that

476
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Speaker 1: just shows you the good stories around the world, like

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Speaker 1: the happiness, the hope, and I kid you not like

478
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Speaker 1: they presented us with studies where they tried those types

479
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Speaker 1: of newscasts and they fell.

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Speaker 2: Off a cliff no one watched.

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Speaker 1: It's like there's something about us as humans that is

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Speaker 1: attracted to the destruction and the conflict and the drama.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's there's a reason when we drive by a car

485
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Speaker 1: crash we all turn to look.

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Speaker 2: There's something within us.

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Speaker 1: But I do think there's also some thing within us

488
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Speaker 1: that just naturally responds to messages of hope, like how

489
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Speaker 1: can I be better? If you see someone that's achieving something,

490
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Speaker 1: you're like, how did they do that? I was always

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Speaker 1: someone when I was young who I loved biographies, especially

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Speaker 1: of successful people who were like rags to riches. I

493
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Speaker 1: was like, how did they do that? They make it

494
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Speaker 1: seem possible, like what were their steps? Like can I

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Speaker 1: follow them? In a certain way, and so I think

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Speaker 1: you have to fill your life with people who inspire you.

497
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Speaker 1: You have to challenge yourself like read books and expose

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Speaker 1: yourself to as much as possible so that you can grow.

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Speaker 1: And I do also think it's important to be of

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Speaker 1: service to other people, and that's really the basis of capitalism.

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Speaker 1: I think capitalism has been bastardized in many ways.

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Speaker 2: It's seen as a negative.

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Speaker 1: And if you really study capitalism, it is about saving,

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Speaker 1: dropping your time preference, and then using that. Capital is

505
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Speaker 1: an investment to create value for someone else. You are

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Speaker 1: going to make a profit if you create a good

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Speaker 1: or service that is of value to someone else. Let

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Speaker 1: the market decide what the appropriate price is. Why have

509
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Speaker 1: the politicization of money Because when money becomes political, it

510
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Speaker 1: leads to corruption. So we need to fix that. And

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Speaker 1: the only antidote I see is bitcoin.

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Speaker 3: Governments will never stop printing money, so inflation it's not

513
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Speaker 3: going away. Now. If your money's not earning at least

514
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Speaker 3: ten percent a year, you're losing purchasing power. Now that's

515
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Speaker 3: why I talk about bitcoin. It's the number one way

516
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Speaker 3: to beat inflation and secure your future. And the question

517
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Speaker 3: I get asked almost every day is where do you

518
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Speaker 3: buy your bitcoin? Now? For years I've personally use River

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Speaker 3: dot Com and I only take on sponsors that I

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Speaker 3: use and I trust, and I trust them because River's

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522
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Speaker 3: keep your bitcoin safe in cold storage with no middlemen,

523
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Speaker 3: and you can actually talk to a real person, a

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Speaker 3: US based support, dedicated manager. Now, try to getting that

525
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Speaker 3: peace of mind from coinbase. Of course you can't. Now

526
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Speaker 3: the perks. If you set up auto buys, you can

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Speaker 3: pay zero fees plus. Instead of your bank paying you,

528
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Speaker 3: you know, zero point four percent on cash, River pays

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Speaker 3: you three point seventy five percent on cash paid in bitcoin.

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Speaker 3: So if you're ready to build your bitcoin position with confidence,

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Speaker 3: go to River dot com, slash Mark Moss and get

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Speaker 3: up to one hundred dollars in bitcoin when you sign up.

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Speaker 3: Because freedom starts when you own your money, and your

534
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Speaker 3: money starts with bitcoin. I mean to add into that

535
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Speaker 3: when you when you talk about using your money, your

536
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Speaker 3: savings to create value, Creating value is literally solving a problem. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The only reason you'd ever give money to anybody is

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Speaker 3: a fay solve a problem. Yeah, I'm hungry, I'll give

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Speaker 3: you money for Hamburg. Yeah, I want this ticket. I'll

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Speaker 3: give you money for the ticket or whatever it is. Right,

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Speaker 3: So it's like, when you think about it in those terms,

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Speaker 3: then you realize that business owners are actually servants. They're

543
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Speaker 3: not greedy people, they're servants. They can only make money

544
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Speaker 3: by solving problems of other people. And so yeah, it

545
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Speaker 3: does get spun upside down.

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Speaker 1: Now. Well, but let me just pause because right now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're seeing around us there's a

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Speaker 1: demonization of the CEH of course.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, billionaires are the enemy.

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Speaker 1: And I think we only feel that way, or the

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Speaker 1: people in the population feel that way, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think that we would have this big of a wealth

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Speaker 1: gap if money was honest, and if we didn't have

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Speaker 1: a system that became so concentrated in terms of power,

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Speaker 1: this monopoly over money that allowed the Cantalon effect to

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Speaker 1: set in. Right, So the people that are closest, they

557
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Speaker 1: can use that leverage it to get more and more

558
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Speaker 1: and more rich. It's not about value creation at some point.

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Speaker 1: It's these massive corporations that can now put everyone else

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Speaker 1: out of business because they're closer to the money printer.

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Speaker 1: And I think that instead of a system where we

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Speaker 1: are basically encouraged to villainize the CEO and the entrepreneur

563
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Speaker 1: and the business leader. We need a system that rewards it,

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Speaker 1: where it is a source of inspiration that makes other

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Speaker 1: people want to do that.

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Speaker 2: And we don't have that right now.

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Speaker 1: We literally have the opposite, where we have crony capitalism

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Speaker 1: and everyone who's a beneficiary of that is seen as

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Speaker 1: the enemy. So we need to change that, but we

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Speaker 1: don't don't. We don't need to change it by like

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Speaker 1: taking the CEO's money and redistributing it, just giving it

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Speaker 1: to the government to decide what they want to spend

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Speaker 1: it on. We need to change the system itself and

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Speaker 1: create a new incentive system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. We need to get rid of the oversized

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Speaker 3: government regulations that create all those monopolies and allow businesses

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Speaker 3: to fail, so we can have people moving up and

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Speaker 3: down and so they can come down and consequences. Reintroduce concert,

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Speaker 3: reintroduce consequence. No bailout, so when yeah, when you can't

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Speaker 3: print the money more than you and then the bailouts, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Remove the bail defund the bailouts, defund the wars.

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Speaker 3: I do think though that maybe there's I this is

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a contrary intake, but I think

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Speaker 3: there's too much put onto the income inequality gap. And

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Speaker 3: I think rather than look at the amount of income

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Speaker 3: or wealth they have, we could look at it more

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Speaker 3: of a consumption. So what do I mean by that,

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Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos, not to call them out, Well, let's call

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Speaker 3: it Jeff Bezos for a second. Number One, Status is

590
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Speaker 3: a zero sim game, so for me to have more status,

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Speaker 3: you have to lose status. But wealth is not a

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Speaker 3: zero sum game. Wealth creates more wealth. So when Jeff

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Speaker 3: Bezos became one of the richest guys in the world,

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Speaker 3: millions of people have become millionaires because they can sell

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Speaker 3: products on Amazon and they wouldn't have had that without it.

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Speaker 3: But I think also we think about the consumption, right,

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Speaker 3: So like Jeff Bezos, I'm sure has a house, and

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he has a flat screen TV in that house,

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Speaker 3: and he probably has a car, and he probably has

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Speaker 3: an iPhone. And I have an iPhone and a car

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Speaker 3: and a house on a flat screen TV. He can

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Speaker 3: fly around the country. I can fly around the country.

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Speaker 3: He has access to US healthcare. I have access to

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Speaker 3: US healthcare. The average even the person on welfare in

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Speaker 3: the United States has a house with a flat screen

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Speaker 3: TV in three meals a day. Now he has more houses.

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Speaker 3: But like, so what right? So like when we think

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Speaker 3: about like on that, so I think maybe back to

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Speaker 3: I think we had talked about earlier sort of how

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Speaker 3: Marxist tendencies want to pit the rich against the poor.

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Speaker 3: So can like come out with the pitchforks and try

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Speaker 3: and take her they have? But like, and so that's

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Speaker 3: why I think looking at the income side is like

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Speaker 3: the wrong thing that we're looking at. So it's like,

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Speaker 3: I have a flat screen, I got a house, I

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Speaker 3: got a car. I can fly around the country, you know,

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Speaker 3: not a private jet, granted, but so what right now?

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Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos worked in an office eighty hours a week

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Speaker 3: for twenty years. I also don't want that. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to work eighty hours a week in a cubicle

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Speaker 3: for twenty years. No, screw that, man, I'd rather be

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Speaker 3: on the beach, right. And so I think, rather if

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Speaker 3: we looked about like what do we have? And I

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Speaker 3: guess it's like, am I trained on what I have

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Speaker 3: and grateful for what I have versus what I don't have?

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Speaker 3: Now there's certainly, and it's not Jeff Bezos' fault, there's

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Speaker 3: certainly why don't these people make a living wage and

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Speaker 3: why aren't they able to say for the future. And

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Speaker 3: that's going back to fix the money and the bitcoin piece.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, maybe a little bit of a tangent and

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Speaker 3: I'm off on, but I think we're focused on this

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Speaker 3: this gap that's not really that important, and it kind

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Speaker 3: of creates us pitting against each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I definitely think you make some

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Speaker 1: great points. I just this isn't just related to you know,

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Speaker 1: our system of money, but also things have changed over

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Speaker 1: the past few decades, and most of the value creation,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, is oftentimes made in stock values, right

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Speaker 1: whether or not the company's actually profitable or providing better

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Speaker 1: and better service, services or goods. But really, like the

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Speaker 1: executive compensation is tied to the stocks. And when you

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Speaker 1: have access to easy money at artificially low interest rates

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Speaker 1: and you can use that to buy back your own

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Speaker 1: stock and inflate its value, that's where I think it

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Speaker 1: starts to get into some wonky areas because we have

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Speaker 1: seen from like nineteen eighty to today, the gap between

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Speaker 1: like a worker to a CEO's pay you become exacerbated

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Speaker 1: by things like stock buybacks and the compensation you know structures.

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Speaker 3: What happened is under Bill Clinton, they said that you

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Speaker 3: can't pay these employees. Are the CEOs that exorbit salary anymore,

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Speaker 3: right and be able to write that off against.

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Speaker 2: Your taxes and look at what it's turned in.

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Speaker 3: I can't pay them. So then the company is like, well,

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Speaker 3: if I can't pay them, obviously, if I want the

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Speaker 3: good talent, I have to pay them. But the government

656
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Speaker 3: says I can't pay them, so I guess we'll give

657
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Speaker 3: them stock.

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it all comes back to the government making

659
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Speaker 1: these decisions, putting their hand into the free market.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's really interesting.

661
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Speaker 1: Obviously there's no maybe clean solution, but I do think

662
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Speaker 1: it is. It is a source of frustration for a

663
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Speaker 1: lot of people to see that the pay gap has

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Speaker 1: gone from like seven to ten times what an employee

665
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Speaker 1: makes to like two hundred times.

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Speaker 2: But it is. It's related to those types of compensation structures.

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Speaker 3: I want to dig into your book, but before I do,

668
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you one other question about that,

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Speaker 3: because what I also see. So we talked about the

670
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Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos and the wealth said, but then the problem

671
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Speaker 3: is that the average person is struggling to get by. Yes,

672
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Speaker 3: that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because everything has been inflated.

674
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Speaker 3: Their money is buying them less goods and services. Because

675
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Speaker 3: everything's being inflated, their savings aren't getting their future that

676
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Speaker 3: they want. And that's a big problem. But I also

677
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Speaker 3: see that the world changed very rapidly. Most people still

678
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: haven't caught up with how fast things have changed. They're

679
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Speaker 3: still not even processing how much AI and Big One

680
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Speaker 3: it has changed the world. And so they're operating from this

681
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Speaker 3: industrial era lens. And then we're not in that world.

682
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Speaker 3: And so we had, like you were, you managed to

683
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Speaker 3: go from this like corporate legacy world to like this

684
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Speaker 3: new creator economy for example, where like I don't need mainstream,

685
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Speaker 3: this mainstream legacy path, and I don't need to be

686
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Speaker 3: dependent on someone to give me a paycheck every two weeks.

687
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: I can just go take the value that I can create,

688
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: and I can provide that to the world in exchange

689
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Speaker 3: for money. And I'm guessing you're doing much better today

690
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Speaker 3: than you were under that old path. And so how

691
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Speaker 3: much of it is that people are still sort of

692
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Speaker 3: living through that lens? And they haven't sort of adapted

693
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Speaker 3: to this new world that we're in today.

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Speaker 1: I love that you brought this up, because decentralization isn't

695
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Speaker 1: just happening with our money, but it's really happened as

696
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Speaker 1: a result of the Internet, with things like information and with.

697
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Speaker 2: Our ability to have careers.

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Speaker 1: I mean globally, someone I have someone working for me

699
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Speaker 1: who's in a different country who's providing value because I'm

700
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Speaker 1: in this creator digital economy. So I'll never forget when

701
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Speaker 1: I was considering should I leave my job in order

702
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Speaker 1: to go out on my own, basically, and there's no guarantees,

703
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: there's no stability, there's no paycheck, and I remember I

704
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: struggled with it, and it's like the Fiat system programs

705
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Speaker 1: you to basically be a corporate slave, like a debt slave.

706
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Speaker 1: You think, hey, the nine to five, that's safe. That's safe.

707
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Speaker 1: I have my paycheck. I put a little bit aside

708
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Speaker 1: for retirement. I know that something you know is going

709
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Speaker 1: to protect me the next day when I go into

710
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Speaker 1: my office.

711
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: But you don't.

712
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Speaker 1: Realize that you're actually you're like starving yourself of so

713
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Speaker 1: much opportunity. And I actually I look at the people

714
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Speaker 1: who were early to adopt things like YouTube or TikTok

715
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Speaker 1: or these online social media platforms, and look at what

716
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Speaker 1: they created for themselves.

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Speaker 2: I mean mister beast right, Like, did you see.

718
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Speaker 1: The video that he posted the other day where he

719
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Speaker 1: literally this is a really interesting story. So in twenty

720
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Speaker 1: like fourteen or fifteen, when he was just starting out

721
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, he literally posted a video of himself that

722
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Speaker 1: he's scheduled to.

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Speaker 2: Publish ten years from now. No way, yes, and so

724
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Speaker 2: it just published.

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Speaker 1: It's him ten years back saying all right, if you're

726
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Speaker 1: watching this, I hopefully have a million subscribers and oh

727
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Speaker 1: no way.

728
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Speaker 2: And he's got like one hundred million subscribers.

729
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's made so much, and he's made not

730
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Speaker 1: only an impact, but like he's trying to give back.

731
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Speaker 1: You know, he's someone who wants to like help others

732
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Speaker 1: do philanthropy. I don't even watch his content, but like

733
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Speaker 1: that's what I've seen that he's about. And so like,

734
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: you can make anything happen. And I think sometimes we

735
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: are our own worst enemy. We almost keep ourselves back

736
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: because we assume, well, I'm in this safe job, like

737
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't risk it, right, I shouldn't destabilize, and it's

738
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Speaker 1: probably harder if you have a family, right. But again,

739
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Speaker 1: if we had a form of money that we could

740
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Speaker 1: rely on that could we allow allow us to save

741
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Speaker 1: for the future, maybe we would take more of those

742
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: creative entrepreneurial risks because it would seem worth it, because

743
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Speaker 1: you'd be thinking about the future and what you could

744
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Speaker 1: create instead of being in this like, you know, I'm

745
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Speaker 1: paycheck to paycheck, How am I going to afford?

746
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Speaker 2: What if everything doesn't work out?

747
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Speaker 1: Like you're in a different mentality in a world of

748
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Speaker 1: fiat and unsound money than when you're in the on

749
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Speaker 1: the bitcoin standard thinking about what could be possible. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, thank goodness I did this. I'm so grateful.

751
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't be sitting here, and I'd probably be,

752
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, reporting on some tragedy wondering when when and

753
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: how can I get out of this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think of bitcoin being permissionless money and how

755
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Speaker 3: it can give us a permissionless life. And we have

756
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Speaker 3: bitcoin now as well as the Internet, and so we

757
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Speaker 3: can have this permissionless life. And so let's say that.

758
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Speaker 3: You know, it was actually my friend's sister. She was

759
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Speaker 3: like a corporate HR person and she's been applying for

760
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Speaker 3: jobs for like over six months, and she's gotten all

761
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: the way to the last few and she just doesn't

762
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Speaker 3: get the job. And I said, you could just take

763
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Speaker 3: your HR skills directly to the mark market. There's probably

764
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Speaker 3: a ton of small businesses that would love to hire

765
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Speaker 3: an HR person but can't afford a full time person.

766
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Speaker 3: So you can just take your HR skills directly the market.

767
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Speaker 3: You could be a bookkeeper or CPA. So it's like

768
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Speaker 3: I can take my existing skills and I can just

769
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Speaker 3: take that to the market without needing permission for somebody

770
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Speaker 3: to make money. Yeah, and so I just think it's

771
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Speaker 3: like this industrial era lens that we have to shake.

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Speaker 3: You know. Lou Grahman, who's I know, one of your

773
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: favorite guests. He's just one of my favorite to listen

774
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: to as well. He talks a lot about how the

775
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: middle class has been hollowed out and we sent all

776
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Speaker 3: the jobs to China, and that's only partially true in

777
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: my opinion. Certainly, yes, the factory jobs went there, but

778
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: those are low paying jobs. We used to have this

779
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Speaker 3: massive middle class because in the industrial era, smart people

780
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: and dumb people were made, even on an assembly line.

781
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: But those are low paying jobs today. And we can

782
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Speaker 3: make everybody in the equal in the field picking strawberries too,

783
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: but that's just low paying jobs, right. And so in

784
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 3: the information age, we have to use a new form

785
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: of money and we have to think about money and

786
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: how we earn money, save money, invest money, just completely different.

787
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

788
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Speaker 1: I also wish, honestly that we had more people in

789
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Speaker 1: elected offices who have been business leaders as opposed to

790
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Speaker 1: just in public office as a career, because when you

791
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: do become an entrepreneur, first of all, you can create jobs,

792
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: which is really exciting, but you look at everything differently.

793
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Speaker 1: When you're an employee, right, You're like, give me as

794
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: much money as possible. You owe me that, right, But

795
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Speaker 1: when you become the business leader, you're like, oh wow,

796
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Speaker 1: I also have to pay a payroll tax, Like I

797
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: have to worry about my revenue versus like how much

798
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: can I actually pay every person? Everything needs to create

799
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: real value for you in order to justify it, because

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Speaker 1: you start to do all the math.

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, in office, we have a

802
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 2: lot of people who know how to spend money that's.

803
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Speaker 1: Somebody else's, but they've never created or built something. And

804
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Speaker 1: I think that that should be a prerequisite to honestly

805
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Speaker 1: running for office.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well it might be if they couldn't make

807
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 3: so much money because they have to go make money

808
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: first before they do it.

809
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Speaker 2: But now they go get do it in the private sector.

810
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the book. So you've got a new book.

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Speaker 3: You've been working on this for years, I believe, yes, Yeah,

812
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Speaker 3: what's the book. What's the frame of the book? Real

813
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 3: estate or bitcoin? Which one's better? Well, it's not about

814
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Speaker 3: choosing one, it's about using both together. Because today sixty

815
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816
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Speaker 3: home and there's no way to put it to work

817
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818
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Speaker 3: There's no new monthly payments and you stay in your

820
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Speaker 1: Such a passion project, I'm like so relieved, excited, nervous. Yeah,

834
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Speaker 1: And part of that is, look, I took like a

835
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Speaker 1: year to write it, and a year is basically it's

836
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Speaker 1: just a different it's a different beast when you're going

837
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Speaker 1: with a publisher, so it's just a slower time period

838
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Speaker 1: at us to get sold into conferences things like that.

839
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Speaker 1: But I'm so excited to share it's finally going to

840
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Speaker 1: be out in the world November eighteenth. That's called Bitcoin

841
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Speaker 1: Is for Everyone, and it's essentially a bitcoin introduction, a

842
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Speaker 1: Bitcoin one oh one, the book I wish I read

843
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: at the beginning, I Love You, Safety and Bitcoin Standards

844
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: still my favorite bitcoin book. But it's just it kind

845
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: of combines a lot of the different books and sort

846
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Speaker 1: of what I got out of each of them into

847
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Speaker 1: one that's very approachable for newcomers, for the mainstream, because

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Speaker 1: that was really my audience when I was a reporter.

849
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Speaker 1: I wanted it to be something that teaches you about

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Speaker 1: the monetary history, but also just talks about like you know,

851
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Speaker 1: at the beginning, it's sort of like, hey, let's let's

852
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: level with each other, Like we know that there's a problem.

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00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Here's how that problem has manifested. Here are the symptoms

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Speaker 1: of the problem. Where how did we get here? You know,

855
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Speaker 1: where did we come from? And what is the potential solution?

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Speaker 1: And obviously I say it's bitcoin, So like, how does

857
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: that solution work? And what does it do? And how

858
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Speaker 1: does it empower us? And what can the future look like?

859
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Speaker 1: So it takes you on a nice little story arc.

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Speaker 1: It identifies the problem, tells you how we got there,

861
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Speaker 1: and presents the solution in a really digestible way for

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Speaker 1: the average person.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, you know one of the questions we've been

864
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Speaker 3: asked in the meantime is how do we orange pill

865
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Speaker 3: more people? Yeah, I don't believe there's a silver bullet.

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Speaker 3: So it's sort of like always I think of it from

867
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Speaker 3: like a sales angle, which is like well, what's their

868
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Speaker 3: concern or their problem? And then how do I match

869
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Speaker 3: one of the attributes of bitcoin to that? So how

870
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Speaker 3: do you approach it to such a wide audio a

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Speaker 3: book like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not easy, but I will say

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons I decided to do it, I

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Speaker 1: was approached by a publisher and he actually published one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite financial books, which has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with bitcoin, and that is The Psychology of Money by

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Speaker 1: Morgan Housel. So this particular guy, he found Morgan and

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Speaker 1: published that book, and that book has gone on to

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Speaker 1: do like seven million copies in sales, and he thought

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Speaker 1: there should be a bitcoin book, and I was really

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Speaker 1: honored that he found my content and thought I could

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Speaker 1: be maybe a steward of.

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Speaker 2: This of this message.

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Speaker 1: And so I thought about it for a while, and

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Speaker 1: I mean back to safetying, like his book changed my life,

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Speaker 1: Like I owe so much to him. And so first

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Speaker 1: of all, it's like, well, the book's kind of out there,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, we still aren't reaching a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. So I think that there do need

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Speaker 1: to be different voices. Someone may not pick up safety book,

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Speaker 1: but they may pick up mine.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's all a creative right.

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Speaker 1: There are so many great books in the space Broken Money,

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Speaker 1: Price of Tomorrow, Uncommunist Manifesto, You're writing books. I think

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Speaker 1: everyone has a voice and someone maybe knew that will

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Speaker 1: resonate with them, and I think the more the better.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to lend my voice. I think

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Speaker 1: that I come at it from a different point of view.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an economics, you know, expert, or maybe now

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Speaker 1: i'd like to.

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Speaker 2: I think i'd like to think I'm better.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I didn't come from the same background

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Speaker 1: as a lot of the folks in bitcoin. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: an engineer or a computer programmer, and I wasn't an economist.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted people to feel like they can learn this,

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Speaker 1: that they can be empowered. I think that that's the

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Speaker 1: one thing the average person needs most is feeling empowered,

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Speaker 1: especially economically empowered. And so I want them to feel like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I it's not too late, I.

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Speaker 2: Can understand bitcoin. It can change my life.

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Speaker 1: I want them to feel all the positive things that

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Speaker 1: bitcoin has made me feel. And so yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just hope it helps. You know, we've got a

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Speaker 1: long way to go in terms of education. We've made

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Speaker 1: a lot of progress, but we still have so many

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Speaker 1: millions of people who don't get it, who dismiss it,

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Speaker 1: And so I just hope that my book, you know,

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Speaker 1: makes a dent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I can't wait to read it, share with

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Speaker 3: all my followers. Anything else that you want to say.

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Speaker 3: Let's wrap this up, but what's your closing message?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just really grateful for the connections and

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Speaker 1: friendships I've made in this space and outside of you know,

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Speaker 1: our podcast. Mark, You've just been such a great friend.

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Speaker 1: You're such a great person. You're so committed to helping

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Speaker 1: other people. I really admire that about what you've built.

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Speaker 1: You've built a community. You are someone who instills people

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Speaker 1: with a sense that they can build something as well.

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Speaker 1: It's not a competition to you. It's like, hey, I've

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Speaker 1: done it, here's how you can do it. And I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate that about you. We need more people like that.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for having me on your show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.