WEBVTT - He's Nuts!: "Dr." John R. Brinkley 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.479 Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zarah. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:05.920 Hey, what up, my girl? How are you doing? 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:07.920 I'm great? How are you? 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.160 I'm doing pretty well and taking nourishment. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.440 I like that. I want you to listen to me. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.360 Yeah, I'm listening. I'm totally pitching. Look, I'm listening. What 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:16.880 you know? 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.440 Yeah, is ridiculous? 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.440 Oh my god? Do I did you know that? There 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.560 is a prejudice against people named Kevin In Germany? There 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.639 was a whole prejudice called Kevinism. It's prejudice against people 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:37.120 named Kevin. And the crazy thing is it's about US Americans, essentially, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.360 because there was a whole cultural excitement over the name 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.560 Kevin thanks to two movies Home Alone in nineteen ninety, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.640 which the Germans called Kevin alinees out House, which means 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.080 Kevin all alone in the home, instead of just calling 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:53.600 it home alone. The Germans like, we can out of 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.200 wood put Vin in this. And then there was also 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.160 Kevin Costner's Dances with Wolves, so they're like, oh, we 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.760 love se Kevin. So it's a bunch of kids named 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:05.320 Kevin in nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety one. By twenty ten, 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.720 they have become a problem for the culture. So you 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:13.440 got all these Kevin's and they become an indicator of 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.600 like a I don't know how to say this with 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.760 in in a polite way, but basically they think of 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.200 them tho as a lower class name. So if you 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.319 have Kevin, they think of you as just this loud, 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.920 this uneducated, you're gonna interrupt class, you're gonna be chalk, 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.920 but specifically like in the German context, but just it 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.560 has these associations with America. So the stamp of America, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.600 the imprimature of America just happens to be applied to 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.920 these people, and the people who choose the American life 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.360 all end up bad. It's like, oh you're you're a Kevin. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.080 And some people call people though. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:54.000 The subreddit tragedies or the names where you put ei 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.920 g H at the end of whatever name, like oh 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.040 oh yeah, okay, and it's just spelled all nuts. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.400 Yeah. Well, in twenty fifteen, there was an online poll 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.160 and it was alpha Kevin, which was a combination of 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.000 alpha and Kevin was the German word of the year, 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.600 right because they're using it so much, because it's like Karen, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.200 yeah exactly, it becomes this this like like you know, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.720 marker and also a smear, a slur if you will, 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.800 all right, and uh yeah, there's also a female component. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:29.240 There is chantelle chantelle. Yeah. I don't know why, but chantelle. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.840 So Kevinism and Chantellism in Germany is the whole thing about, 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.520 like how we've corrupted the German culture. So there you go. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.840 Ridiculous is ridiculous kevin ism. My mom almost named me Kevin. Really, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:47.160 she's like them, Yeah that I'm a good son. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.760 That's ridiculous. Goat glands. 0:02:51.080 --> 0:03:12.200 What this is? 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:17.800 Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.760 and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:28.040 one hundred percent ridiculous. Oh you damn right, buddy, I 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.320 got a guy for you. Really, he's like this amalgam 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.040 of many of our previous characters that we've. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.160 Shared here, sure in our stories, in our. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.680 Stories, and as I tell my story, let me give 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.440 you a little taste please. So we've got a diploma. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.960 Mill, is this taste free? This is first taste. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.280 Usually free and then you got to pay. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:50.280 Okay, we got a diploma. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.160 Mills got a diploma. Mill. There's pirate radio. There's a 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.720 failed political run, he got a little mail fraud. How 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.000 about a book in a movie? My interests, and most importantly, 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.160 we have goat testicles. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:08.040 Whoa wait, you said that last one in there. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.640 It's like a little bit of a bunch of other 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:16.400 stories all rolled into one dude named John Romulus Brinkley. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.280 Kidding this just like I feel like I'm making it up. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.840 It's like, is this real? Is this going to run 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.800 on April first? Are you just like playing with me? 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.120 Well? No, we found out about this because this guy, 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.680 John Rice, John Rice, John Rice gave us a tip 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:31.320 about this. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:32.359 Oh thank you? 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:37.280 Whoa? She always say good looking out He helped us 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:42.480 out here. So John Romulus Brinkley was born in eighteen 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:43.400 eighty five. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:44.480 A Christy's grandfather. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.920 Yes, her dad. Oh sorry, he was born in eighteen 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:55.560 eighty five. So his dad was John Richard Brinkley and 0:04:55.600 --> 0:05:00.400 his mom was Sarah Candice Burnett. She a relative of yours. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.520 Yeah, totally, so, Mam sage. 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:06.560 John Richard the dad was a true hillbilly, nice like 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.039 he's a man of the hills in North Carolina. And 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.320 I love it. I love that for him. He's in beda. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.960 I don't like shirts either, beda, North Carolina. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:17.320 Okay, do you know where that is? 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.520 It's kind of I looked it up on the map. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.440 Of course I didn't do street view. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:22.560 It may not be possible. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.680 Well, I think that's kind of where Hurricane Helene like 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.400 wrecked shop. It's like it's like a little west. It's 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.760 further out. Yeah, it's just a crossroads. But it's like 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.960 further out from Asheville. So I think it was just 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.760 on the perimeter. But it's deep in the hills. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:40.760 What you're saying. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.679 So the dad, he's this like itinerant preacher. He also 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.720 served as a medic for the Confederate Army during the 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.720 Civil War. He did some doctor and up in them 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:58.200 our hills, and so his first country dodger. His first 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.480 marriage was annulled because he was underage. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.640 You don't normally hear that. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.680 Hear that he was the child's room. So he went on. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.159 Was he had trunk trunk like husband he sent on 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.560 the train down a couple of towns or like, No, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.520 he opened the box and see what your husband looks like. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.279 Took a like into an older lady. 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.200 Oh hello. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.480 So he went on to get married four more times, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.720 and he was a widower each time. Okay, so it's 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.679 just keeps outliving these ladies. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.440 He's always picking older ladies. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.359 I don't know. I suppose in eighteen seventy he's forty 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:38.400 two years old and he married Sarah Mingus and sadly Sarah. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.120 Died no relation to Charlie, no. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.480 None, and then well and then her twenty four year 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.640 old niece, Sarah Candas Burnett. Ah, my people's she moves 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:48.320 into the house. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.640 This is how we're related to the Minguses Charlie. He's 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:52.480 back in the family. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:57.080 Now, go on, So Sarah Candas Burnett moves in. I'm 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.000 gonna help you because you know, like my my auntie 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:01.840 died and I'm gonna help take care of. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:03.720 Oh yeah, and people needed that then yeah. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.320 So she goes by Sally so that she's not confused 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:07.599 with her late aunt Sarah. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.080 Sarah don't have too many sarahs. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.040 Sally and John Senior. They hook up naturally before they 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.400 So he's forty two, she's twenty four. Just the old 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.560 flip the numbers. Okay, he's working young now, yeah, exactly. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:21.480 He's the December now. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.440 So before they get married, she gives birth to a boy. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.320 Okay, John before they get married. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.000 Before they get married. John Romulus Brinkley, Oh he was. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:33.920 He was a legitimate He's. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.560 Named after his father. But the Romulus was from the 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.160 twin from myths, you know, Romulus and Remis. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:41.560 Yeah, founders of Rome. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.920 The ones who are suckled by wolves. 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.200 You know, that's gotta be good, strong milk. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.760 So by the time the game they get married, like, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.080 they get married. But by the time little John is ten, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.280 both of his parents have died. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.560 I'm telling you, I got a sense when he was 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.240 born illegitimate. At that time, I'm like, there's gonna be 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:02.440 some problems in this childhood. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:07.600 So he lived up in the Tukasigi area in North 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.240 Carolina with his aunt dirt poor. Yes, they have absolutely nothing. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.200 And then his early twenties he meets Sally Margaret Wike 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.480 and she came from a pretty rich family, like by 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.640 the standards of the area. So they get married in 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.640 nineteen oh seven in Silva, North Carolina, was right next 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.120 to Beta John. He always wanted to be a doctor, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.840 just like his daddy. So he what does he do? 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.440 He joins up with a traveling medicine show selling like 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.800 tonics patent medicine. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.840 They they got the wagon, they opened the side, Yeah, exactly. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.080 So he gets married, he and his bride moved to Chicago. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.560 They have a daughter. He enrolls at Bennett Medical College. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.559 Oh, he actually goes. He doesn't just start calling himself 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:53.320 doctor Brinkle. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.480 Well, well he did, and then he decides, I'm going 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.040 to go to I'm going to go to medical school 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.080 to legit. Bennett Medical College is what we in the 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.720 biz called diploma mill. I told you about that, you did, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.600 I didn't see it even though it's unaccredited. It's focused 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.439 on eclectic medicine. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:12.520 What is that I'm going. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.520 To tell you. So the eclectic medical movement came up 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.920 in the US and like the you know, early nineteenth century, 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.840 early you know, eighteen hundreds, and it was the medical 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.360 treatment at the time was like pretty aggressive and so 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.120 this was like an alternative. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:29.959 To it, like we don't use leeches. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.680 Yeah, we're not going to make on this, you know peace. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.400 So I mean, yeah, the blood letting, mercury based medicines. 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.960 So eclectic. They they were like gentler. They were all 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:47.480 about botanical cures and natural therapy. Yeah, and they would 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.120 draw from like Native American herbal knowledge or like I 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.240 would say, quote unquote native American, it's. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.480 Like pretending American. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.640 So eclectic medicine. It reaches his peak in the mid 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.840 eighteenth hundreds, and there are like a lot of schools 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.680 that were starting to train these practitioners, and by like 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.160 the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, like when John 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.320 was up in there, the movement's on the decline. So 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.679 he gets in on the tail end of it. And 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.720 like real medical schools, they're like emphasizing scientific rigor. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.120 Sure they've realized germ theory by now exactly. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.520 And then the American Medical Association the AMA, they're really 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.559 pushing for higher educational stand wash your hands, and then 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.160 like this whole notion of licensing. Yeah, so yeah, proove 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:35.520 up that. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.640 You know, here's this book called gras Anatomys, buy it, 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:39.199 read it. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.920 And you think about it. Eclectic medicine is pretty much 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:43.760 going on today. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.040 Oh yeah, that's what we have. We have a new Medical. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.000 Preserve comment on that, all right, you know, but come on, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:56.520 So anyway, at school, John learned about glandular extracts. Oh yeah, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.560 he decided that was going to be a specialty. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.640 Oh yeah, I've talked about it, all about it that 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.319 was a big thing. Then there was a serum of 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:04.520 potency exactly. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.679 So he hears about it. He's like, this sounds awesome. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.840 That's I'm going to be like at home. He and 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.760 his wife rocky relationship. They kept splitting up and then 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.160 getting back together. At one point he kidnapped his own 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.720 kid by grabbing her and taking off in a taxi 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.200 with no license plate, and he took her up to 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.400 the cab stolen. I don't know, but that was what 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.520 it was in the paper, and he took her up 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.560 to Canada. But then the couple got back together. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.720 So like a bad mother and he's like saving the child. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.239 They're both just dramatic. 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.440 They're both bad parents and child exactly. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.640 That's how I got it. So they get back together. 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.640 John continues his studies until one day he came home 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.760 from school. His pregnant wife has scidadled back to Tuckasege, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.840 North Carolina with the kid. This is nineteen eleven at 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.600 this point, so he goes after him. They reunite. He 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.280 couldn't afford to go to school anymore, dropped out, and 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.000 he tried to get it good enough. Well, he tries 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.960 to get work as a quote undergraduate physician. I don't know. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.560 It's like hilarious, Like, well, I'm majoring in it, so 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:11.440 it's close enough. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.040 Mostly, come on, do you want the two that or not? 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.960 He's calling himself an undergraduate physician, dragging his family all 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.800 over the South, trying to make a go of it. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.720 No dice. By this time nineteen twelve, he has three 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.960 kids and a wife who's like totally over it, not 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.320 into this. So then they split for good. John goes 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:33.880 to Greenville, South Carolina. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.800 Oh I know that place, yeah, and. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.480 Sally heads back to the Haller in North Carolina. He's 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:40.760 up in the upstate Greenville. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.520 Yeah, she's in the hills. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:48.080 So John set up quote Greenville electro medic Doctors. What now, 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:52.719 Greenville electro medic Doctors. So he's got like gadgets and 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.600 stuff yues with this guy as this business partner, James 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.439 Crawford aka J. W. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:58.239 Burkes. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.120 So, okay, they catered to men looking to up their 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.000 manliness in the manisphere. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.839 These like where they strap you on a machine that 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.839 shakes your belly, you know, like. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.440 Just jiggles it at you. So they would they ran 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.439 ads and they said that they used solver sand. Okay, 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:21.439 which was supposed to be a German eclectic medicines Salvarsan. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.400 It was just colored water and they would just like 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.440 inject it into desperate dudes, and. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.720 So saltwater we're gonna give you. The saline shot. 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.600 Cost twenty five dollars back then. I just imagine it 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.040 was like egg dying water. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:36.400 Oh wow, yeah for. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.440 Eastern twenty five bucks. Elizabeth. That doesn't sound like a 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.440 lot of money, not now, Elizabeth, but it sure was then. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:44.240 Uh. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.839 It's like it's like charging more than eight hundred dollars 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:48.280 a shot? 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:49.200 Are you kidding me? 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.359 Well, but it totally seems like something that like TikTok 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.080 kids would do. Now yeah, you're like, oh, well we've 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.600 got salver sand and raw milk. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.200 Yeah, exactly. Seems like a lot of people that just 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:01.680 the TikTok kid like. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.760 This eights a shot because that. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.680 Makes it sound like it's worthwhile, and it's right in 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.560 that price point of like, oh, that's like, you know, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.000 less than my rent, but like more than most things 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:11.080 I buy. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.920 Than my car payment. So they couldn't pay their bills. Uh, 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.480 John and then his his buddy James, right, James Crawford, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.040 even though they're charging these outrageous amounts for shots of 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.960 like tinted water. They got all these bills, so they 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.920 skipped down and they got to Memphis, Tennessee. Good place 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.760 for it, eventual home of Graceland, Yes, thank you for it. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.680 Was there that John met Minnie Jones. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.360 That's a great name, doctor's daughter, oh man, Jones, perfect, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.160 she knows the life. They went a courting for four 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:43.800 good on them, poor whole days. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.160 And on the fifth day they got married. 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.720 Oh man, yeah, great week. 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.560 But wait a second, Yes, Elizabeth, wasn't John still married 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:51.080 to Sally. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.200 That's a great question, Elizabeth. I don't know the answer. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.880 The answer is yes, yes he was. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.720 Oh I thought that was the case. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.400 So yeah, so they John and Minnie they traveled around together. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.720 But like they get to Knoxville, Tennessee, things take a turn. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.440 To see, old John got arrested and well, no, it 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.840 seems that skipping town and Greenville wasn't the. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.160 Most all right, he's got bills. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.000 Yeah, so he and his business partner, James Crawford, they 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.240 owed the merchants of Greenville a grip a cat and 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.600 they've been like buying up a storm on credit. 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:23.200 I'm sure. 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.960 And then he Also they're like ps practicing medicine without 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:32.960 a license, PPS writing bad checks. So then John's like, well, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.120 you know what, I'll tell you who really did this? Crawford? 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:40.840 So they arrest him. Yeah, the two the two settled 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.080 their debts out of court for a few thousand bucks. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:44.880 So he gets out of jail. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.560 He's doing well. They got throw away. 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.440 Yeah, he gets out of jail, he's cleared by the law. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.000 John meets up with Minnie in Memphis. Memphis. 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.280 Mini does Memphis many do you think aware of this? 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:58.720 Like in the headlines, there's that kind of a choir. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.360 I think Minnie's fully aware of everything. But you know 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:03.560 who else went to Memphis? 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:04.200 Who else went? 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:09.160 Sally the first wife undeterred, So she confronts them and 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.720 they're like, whatever is going on? They leave town. They're like, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:19.480 we're going to Arkansas altogether. Yeah, Sally stays he John 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:24.560 and Minnie are like, you're like, I thought to do 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:29.400 this grand thing. He's already married. Minnie's like, I don't care, man, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.720 And so then John he somehow got an undergraduate license 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:34.840 to practice medicine. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.000 You know enough lawyer style, And I'm. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.440 Guessing those exist because there aren't enough educated folks at 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:41.800 that time. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:42.400 Totally. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.320 Like when I first moved to the rural south, the 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.240 town where I lived had a magistrate, a judge, and 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.280 that magistrate only out a high school diploma. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:50.480 No, yeah, yeah, And. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.560 So then they eventually made a law that you at 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.680 least had to have a bachelor's degree, but it didn't 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.800 have to be in law, just like what degree? 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.760 Yeah, show us even finished something exactly. 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:04.920 So then let's see where are we. October nineteen fourteen, 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.679 John and his family they moved to Kansas City. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.120 Oh yeah, and there. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.439 He finds Eclectic Medical University of Kansas City. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.080 He founds it. No, he like discovers, Oh, discovers finds it. Oh, 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:17.520 there it is. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.680 There's the phone book. He enrolls. It's another diploma mill. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.679 And this is the kind where you just like straight 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:23.960 up by a diploma. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.720 So you don't even have to do any pretense. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.320 No, he just bought it, that's what he's done. So 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.960 it was like a small and shall we say, controversial 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.000 institution because it's part of that eclectic movement. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.160 So fit in a mailbox, yeah exactly. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.480 So it's like if you can't get into real med school, 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.320 you go to EMUKC. 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:42.879 Sure. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.480 So they're curriculum again botanical medicine. They get trained to 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.560 be skeptical of surgery and pharmaceuticals and it's just all 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.639 about herbal treatments, you know, which is fine. I have 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.439 some medical conditions that could in no way be treated 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.959 with herbs. Yeah, and spices, yes, many people to a 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.080 blend of verbs and space. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.120 And you know, I believe food is the first medicine. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:06.560 So I am not sitting here. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.480 Like the drugs I take suck, but they keep me 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:08.920 from dying. 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.879 Yeah, exactly. There are a lot of things like that. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.919 I got that going for me. So it's safe to 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:17.679 say that the training at Eclectic Medical University was inadequate. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:18.399 And probably costing lives. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.000 Yes, and it's graduates, you know, they don't really have 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:25.720 scientific knowledge. Everything's like anecdotal, vibe based, traditional. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.240 And they're not even like up to like the homeopathic 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.159 standard of like the German doctors of the time, who 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.960 are like I'm going out and picking stuff. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.320 And then giving that they're even like like analytics hundreds of. 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.639 Years of stuff. I'm basing this on right now. Chinese medicine. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.240 Same thing we had, you know, centuries. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.080 There was in nineteen ten, the Carnegie Foundation commissioned this 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.000 selection report, and this came out before John was in 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:51.240 phony med school, and it kind of exposed and called 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:52.440 for stricter standards. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:53.480 Doesn't it lead to the AMA? 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.639 It does. So while eclectic medicine, you know, there's some 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.679 knowledge and herbal remediants and stuff, but like it's just 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.040 it can't keep up with modern medicine. So John he 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:08.040 wants to finish up his doctrine. His focus was quote 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:12.600 the irritations and enlargements of the prostate gland in elderly men. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:15.400 So he buys his diploma. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:16.840 He's like, that happens a lot. That should be a 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.840 good market. What's his move there exactly? 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.520 I don't know. It's it's just a curiosity for him, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.840 a growth markets, A diploma that gives him the right 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.080 to practice medicine in eight states. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.160 What are those eight states? Are they all formerly Confederate states? Elizabeth? 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.840 I don't know. So he gets this job as a 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:39.080 doctor slash medic at animal rendering plant and he's like 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.359 tending to injured workers, but he's also studying the animals. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:44.600 How depressed I know. 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.800 So everyone tells him that like the healthiest animal. Of 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.200 all the kinds that are killing in there and slaughtering 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:51.760 up is the goat. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.880 Oh there's no horse. You're gonna horse. That makes sense. 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:55.480 I can see that. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.119 So, like you know, John and Sally Good officially animals. 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.520 John marries Minni again, this time. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:02.800 Legally marries her again. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.360