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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zarah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what up, my girl? How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm great? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty well and taking nourishment.

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Speaker 3: I like that. I want you to listen to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm listening. I'm totally pitching. Look, I'm listening. What

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Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? Do I did you know that? There

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Speaker 2: is a prejudice against people named Kevin In Germany? There

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Speaker 2: was a whole prejudice called Kevinism. It's prejudice against people

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Speaker 2: named Kevin. And the crazy thing is it's about US Americans, essentially,

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Speaker 2: because there was a whole cultural excitement over the name

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Speaker 2: Kevin thanks to two movies Home Alone in nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 2: which the Germans called Kevin alinees out House, which means

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Speaker 2: Kevin all alone in the home, instead of just calling

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Speaker 2: it home alone. The Germans like, we can out of

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Speaker 2: wood put Vin in this. And then there was also

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Speaker 2: Kevin Costner's Dances with Wolves, so they're like, oh, we

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Speaker 2: love se Kevin. So it's a bunch of kids named

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Speaker 2: Kevin in nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety one. By twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: they have become a problem for the culture. So you

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Speaker 2: got all these Kevin's and they become an indicator of

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Speaker 2: like a I don't know how to say this with

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Speaker 2: in in a polite way, but basically they think of

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Speaker 2: them tho as a lower class name. So if you

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Speaker 2: have Kevin, they think of you as just this loud,

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Speaker 2: this uneducated, you're gonna interrupt class, you're gonna be chalk,

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Speaker 2: but specifically like in the German context, but just it

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Speaker 2: has these associations with America. So the stamp of America,

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Speaker 2: the imprimature of America just happens to be applied to

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Speaker 2: these people, and the people who choose the American life

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Speaker 2: all end up bad. It's like, oh you're you're a Kevin.

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Speaker 2: And some people call people though.

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Speaker 3: The subreddit tragedies or the names where you put ei

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Speaker 3: g H at the end of whatever name, like oh

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, okay, and it's just spelled all nuts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in twenty fifteen, there was an online poll

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Speaker 2: and it was alpha Kevin, which was a combination of

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Speaker 2: alpha and Kevin was the German word of the year,

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Speaker 2: right because they're using it so much, because it's like Karen,

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Speaker 2: yeah exactly, it becomes this this like like you know,

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Speaker 2: marker and also a smear, a slur if you will,

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Speaker 2: all right, and uh yeah, there's also a female component.

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Speaker 2: There is chantelle chantelle. Yeah. I don't know why, but chantelle.

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Speaker 2: So Kevinism and Chantellism in Germany is the whole thing about,

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Speaker 2: like how we've corrupted the German culture. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous is ridiculous kevin ism. My mom almost named me Kevin. Really,

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Speaker 2: she's like them, Yeah that I'm a good son.

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. Goat glands.

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Speaker 2: What this is?

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists

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Speaker 3: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous. Oh you damn right, buddy, I

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Speaker 3: got a guy for you. Really, he's like this amalgam

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Speaker 3: of many of our previous characters that we've.

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Speaker 2: Shared here, sure in our stories, in our.

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Speaker 3: Stories, and as I tell my story, let me give

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Speaker 3: you a little taste please. So we've got a diploma.

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Speaker 2: Mill, is this taste free? This is first taste.

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Speaker 3: Usually free and then you got to pay.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we got a diploma.

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Speaker 3: Mills got a diploma. Mill. There's pirate radio. There's a

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Speaker 3: failed political run, he got a little mail fraud. How

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Speaker 3: about a book in a movie? My interests, and most importantly,

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Speaker 3: we have goat testicles.

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Speaker 2: Whoa wait, you said that last one in there.

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Speaker 3: It's like a little bit of a bunch of other

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Speaker 3: stories all rolled into one dude named John Romulus Brinkley.

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Speaker 3: Kidding this just like I feel like I'm making it up.

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Speaker 2: It's like, is this real? Is this going to run

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Speaker 2: on April first? Are you just like playing with me?

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Speaker 3: Well? No, we found out about this because this guy,

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Speaker 3: John Rice, John Rice, John Rice gave us a tip

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Speaker 3: about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you?

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Speaker 3: Whoa? She always say good looking out He helped us

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Speaker 3: out here. So John Romulus Brinkley was born in eighteen

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Speaker 2: A Christy's grandfather.

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Speaker 3: Yes, her dad. Oh sorry, he was born in eighteen

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Speaker 3: eighty five. So his dad was John Richard Brinkley and

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Speaker 3: his mom was Sarah Candice Burnett. She a relative of yours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, so, Mam sage.

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Speaker 3: John Richard the dad was a true hillbilly, nice like

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Speaker 3: he's a man of the hills in North Carolina. And

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love that for him. He's in beda.

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Speaker 3: I don't like shirts either, beda, North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you know where that is?

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Speaker 3: It's kind of I looked it up on the map.

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Speaker 2: It may not be possible.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's kind of where Hurricane Helene like

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Speaker 3: further out. Yeah, it's just a crossroads. But it's like

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Speaker 2: What you're saying.

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Speaker 3: So the dad, he's this like itinerant preacher. He also

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Speaker 3: served as a medic for the Confederate Army during the

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Speaker 2: You don't normally hear that.

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Speaker 3: Hear that he was the child's room. So he went on.

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Speaker 2: Was he had trunk trunk like husband he sent on

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Speaker 2: the train down a couple of towns or like, No,

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Speaker 2: he opened the box and see what your husband looks like.

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Speaker 3: Took a like into an older lady.

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Speaker 2: Oh hello.

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Speaker 3: So he went on to get married four more times,

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Speaker 3: and he was a widower each time. Okay, so it's

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Speaker 3: just keeps outliving these ladies.

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Speaker 2: He's always picking older ladies.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I suppose in eighteen seventy he's forty

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Speaker 3: two years old and he married Sarah Mingus and sadly Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Died no relation to Charlie, no.

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Speaker 3: None, and then well and then her twenty four year

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Speaker 2: This is how we're related to the Minguses Charlie. He's

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Speaker 3: Now, go on, So Sarah Candas Burnett moves in. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna help you because you know, like my my auntie

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Speaker 3: So she goes by Sally so that she's not confused

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Speaker 3: Sally and John Senior. They hook up naturally before they

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Speaker 3: So he's forty two, she's twenty four. Just the old

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Speaker 2: He's the December now.

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Speaker 3: So before they get married, she gives birth to a boy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, John before they get married.

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Speaker 3: Before they get married. John Romulus Brinkley, Oh he was.

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Speaker 2: He was a legitimate He's.

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Speaker 3: Named after his father. But the Romulus was from the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, founders of Rome.

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Speaker 3: The ones who are suckled by wolves.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's gotta be good, strong milk.

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Speaker 3: So by the time the game they get married, like,

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Speaker 3: He joins up with a traveling medicine show selling like

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Speaker 2: They they got the wagon, they opened the side, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So he gets married, he and his bride moved to Chicago.

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Speaker 3: They have a daughter. He enrolls at Bennett Medical College.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he actually goes. He doesn't just start calling himself

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Speaker 3: Well, well he did, and then he decides, I'm going

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Speaker 3: To tell you. So the eclectic medical movement came up

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Speaker 2: To it, like we don't use leeches.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, the blood letting, mercury based medicines.

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Speaker 3: And then the American Medical Association the AMA, they're really

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Speaker 3: And you think about it. Eclectic medicine is pretty much

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what we have. We have a new Medical.

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Speaker 3: Preserve comment on that, all right, you know, but come on,

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Speaker 3: So anyway, at school, John learned about glandular extracts. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: he decided that was going to be a specialty.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've talked about it, all about it that

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Speaker 3: So he hears about it. He's like, this sounds awesome.

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Speaker 3: That's I'm going to be like at home. He and

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Speaker 3: to Canada. But then the couple got back together.

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Speaker 2: So like a bad mother and he's like saving the child.

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Speaker 3: They're both just dramatic.

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Speaker 2: They're both bad parents and child exactly.

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Speaker 3: So they arrest him. Yeah, the two the two settled

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Speaker 3: And so then John he somehow got an undergraduate license

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Speaker 3: So then let's see where are we. October nineteen fourteen,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and there.

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Speaker 2: He founds it. No, he like discovers, Oh, discovers finds it. Oh,

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Speaker 3: There's the phone book. He enrolls. It's another diploma mill.

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Speaker 2: So you don't even have to do any pretense.

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Speaker 3: So they're curriculum again botanical medicine. They get trained to

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it's graduates, you know, they don't really have

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Speaker 2: He's like, that happens a lot. That should be a

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Speaker 2: What are those eight states? Are they all formerly Confederate states? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. So he gets this job as a

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Speaker 2: How depressed I know.

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Speaker 3: So everyone tells him that like the healthiest animal. Of

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Speaker 3: So, like you know, John and Sally Good officially animals.

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Speaker 2: Legally marries her again.

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Speaker 3: He gets he just falls apart during training. Two weeks

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Speaker 2: Why Milford and Milford, Kansas.

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Speaker 3: John saw an ad in the paper they needed a

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Speaker 2: He's like, I'm gonna go moonlight Grandma over there.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a Breakay, we don't have ads advertising for

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Speaker 3: we'll pick up with doctor John Good ads right.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, so good. I put my wallet away.

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Speaker 2: I was just by getting on my phone and started

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Speaker 3: Thank you companies for funding this operation. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: The product in me recognizes the product in you. I

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Speaker 2: Just some houses too close to each other.

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Speaker 3: So it's just two hundred people at a crossroads. Wow.

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Speaker 3: There was a bank, I'm sure, and like some mills

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Speaker 3: at a telegraph machine. Okay, So he got himself diploma,

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Speaker 3: Big Pharma will tell you it's one of the most

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Speaker 2: As men grow, as men grow older, and we all

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Speaker 3: hands down.

441
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: For you.

442
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: Older guys don't study anything else, just put everything. So

443
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: he studied and he analyzed, and he like vibed out,

444
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: and he came up with a breakthrough. He could cure

445
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: male impotence and other sexual health issues impotent.

446
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 2: So we're just talking about he came up with viagara

447
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: back then. It's not like I'm going to believe your suffering.

448
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to help you with the pain. I'm gonna

449
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: make us your back and you can sit down. None

450
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: of that. I'm going to give you back. You're male vigor.

451
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to rub it with a savage.

452
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: Of course, you got to get a sa there, Elizabeth.

453
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 3: So he says, I know it. I'm going to transplant

454
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 3: goat test to goals into human men. Man. Yeah, so

455
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: you told the story once. Oh yeah, very Similargo nineteen

456
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: twenty two for.

457
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: The doctors who were doing this, and you had to

458
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: get the testicle somewhere.

459
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 3: He dates that. And remember you had like all the

460
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: research of all like the forerunners of them.

461
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: He studied those guys, the same guys. Yeah.

462
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but and your guys were stealing men's much.

463
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: Human testicle trans man. Just load that sack.

464
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: Up man on many intra species.

465
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: So you got two how about four.

466
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna get even more disgusting here. Oh no,

467
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: goat to man, No, goat to man.

468
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: They load them up. They're not making like a serum

469
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: that's shooting in the armors.

470
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: No, don't they use pig insulin for diabetic.

471
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: Yeah that's your point.

472
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, Yeah, I think so.

473
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: And then skin for burn victims, baboon hearts, bab boon heartsrplants.

474
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 3: Kitty to human ear transplants.

475
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: I asked for draft eyes to my doctor and he

476
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: looked at me weird. I'm like, this is why I need.

477
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: Them perfect Hello anyway, Okay, so you talked about these

478
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: men being robbed of their little nutsocks by mad prison

479
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: doctors and the whatnots not John Brinkley his first operation

480
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: was in nineteen seventeen in Milford, Kansas. His neighbors where

481
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 3: everyone knows everyone. So he had a patient who was

482
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: always begging him to help boost his virility, like drink

483
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 3: your ovaltine, bro, bro, and so. John, he was only

484
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 3: in Milford for two weeks.

485
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: Before this guy's like, hey, can you help me.

486
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: With the farmer came to see him. He tells John

487
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: quote all in no pep a flat tire. Wow, yeah,

488
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: flat tire. That's a good one.

489
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: So tired of the cod liver oil.

490
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 3: It's just not working. So he and his wife they

491
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: wanted another kid. They had a kid, they want another one.

492
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 3: But it's just not happening.

493
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: Okay, the equipment wasn't helping.

494
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: We had the farmer. He'd gone to all these other

495
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: cities looking for help, but no doctor was able to

496
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: get his motor run in.

497
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: So uh.

498
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: John had been taught at Bennett Medical College. You could

499
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 3: quote treat the issue with serums, medicine, electricity, got a

500
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: shock and like it wouldn't work, but you could keep

501
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: trying with the patients because they're desperate. That's what they

502
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 3: taught him in medical. This isn't going to work, but

503
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: just like it's not, just keep try. Is a payday and.

504
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: We all learned from your failures.

505
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 3: Exactly. Shock that John John and the farmer. They're making

506
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: small talk and discussing farm animals.

507
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm hoping you mean in a professional way.

508
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you know, you go to the doctor

509
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: about something like this, John John jokes to the farmer, quote,

510
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have any trouble if you had a pair

511
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 3: of those butt glands in you.

512
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: But it's like he's making up.

513
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: Now you gotta flip it around the butt in there.

514
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: An elbow buck buck. Okay, but you see talking about goats.

515
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: Got yeah, the male goat.

516
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 3: And the farmer says, well, why don't you put him in?

517
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: Got got some time there?

518
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: So like John tells him, like, you can't transplant from

519
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 3: an animal to a human.

520
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: They are all sorts of And the.

521
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 3: Farmers like, I don't see why not?

522
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: You know, I know animal husbandry.

523
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: And then John's like, you know what, the surgery could

524
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: be fatal, and the farmer says, I don't care.

525
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: The one who wants to be a father, the one

526
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: who has a small child.

527
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 3: The man is willing to give his life to get

528
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: a stiffy for science.

529
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: He's wanting to give his life for science. Stiffy.

530
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: John later told his biographer that he quote felt his

531
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: flesh crawl, felt dirtied by the thought.

532
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, I bet and did he take the money and

533
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: to get clean?

534
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: So dirty that he went ahead with it?

535
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: I knew it.

536
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 3: John tells him I don't have a goat. And the

537
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: farmer is ready for this. He's like, I raise him

538
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: I'll furnish the goat, you do the operation.

539
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: I'll bring in the sack. You do it. Huh. He's like,

540
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: I got goats, oh yeah.

541
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: And I know how to castraight one. So let's get

542
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: and we're good. So a couple of nights later, the

543
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: farmer came by with.

544
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: His goat and like a bucket. Oh wait, with the goat.

545
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: With the goat, he just brings the whole goat to

546
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: the office. Zarino. No, I will not do that. I

547
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: will not do that. No, I'm kidding, We're not going

548
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: to do that.

549
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Oh thank god.

550
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: John performed the surgery. If you want to imagine it,

551
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: it's like in a cartoon where there's like a one

552
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: of those old timey screens like in a hospital room,

553
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: and like there's clanking and then like a soft flies

554
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: up like whatever, Like just imagine that.

555
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So like Popeye's doing.

556
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: This exactly exactly. So John does the surgery. They didn't

557
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: want anyone to know what they did.

558
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: I bet they did not.

559
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: It's kind of it's kind of a rule that I

560
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: have for myself, Like if I think that I don't

561
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: want anyone to find out about something, I don't do it.

562
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: If you're thinking like I wish I know, I don't

563
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 3: want anyone to know about that. Then don't do it.

564
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: I just try to do it better. It's like I

565
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: don't want to even to find out about it, so

566
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: I can't make a mistake. I like you is way better,

567
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: totally write that down.

568
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: The two guys work out a plant. So the farmer

569
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: goes home like walking all the wide.

570
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: Steps, what about the goat?

571
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: And then in the morning he tells his wife that

572
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: he's sick with the flu. So she calls the doctor

573
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: and he says he'll come out and check on the farmer.

574
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: So this way, like they know, the telephone operator listens

575
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: into all the oh thought about it, so that the

576
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: telephone operator the wife none the wiser. La. Oh yeah,

577
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: so I guess the guy didn't die, because.

578
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: I guess the guy died.

579
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: Two weeks later. He paid John one hundred and fifty

580
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: dollars for the procedure.

581
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: And that's like second fifellars.

582
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: Super stoked about the results.

583
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it works.

584
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So it's a tiny town. People talk, including

585
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: the farmer where he's like, oh, we will never speak

586
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: of this, and then he goes.

587
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: He's like going to the neighbor. Hey, you want to

588
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: feel something? Where yees.

589
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: Four?

590
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: So count them soon.

591
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: This other guy, William Stitsworth, and I give his name

592
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: for the benefit of his descendants. William Stitsworth. He came

593
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: in complaining of terminal flacidity.

594
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Oh he could never come yeah, And.

595
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: So John makes him swear to keep this to himself.

596
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: He's like, all right, look, I got it. I got

597
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: a procedure, but you cannot tell anyone. He's like, I

598
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: won't tell anyone.

599
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: I would never.

600
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: And so John does the operation on him.

601
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: Wait does he have to bring his own goat in

602
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: or did they go back to the first farmer.

603
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: I think you got more than was the goat.

604
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: He's now the supplier. He's like, I got a plug.

605
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: You're good exactly.

606
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: So like he does the operation. William's happy with it,

607
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: and he brings his wife in.

608
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: With the goats.

609
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: Their logic was that if if the testicles worked on

610
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: a man, then maybe goat ovaries would help a woman.

611
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 2: Oh well, at least they were keeping it, you know,

612
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: specific to the parts.

613
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: So sure. So John and I think that, like in

614
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: your testicle thief case, he was just adding the balls

615
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: into the sack and not connecting them to anything for.

616
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: The most part, Yeah, just doing an absorption.

617
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 3: And I'm guessing that's the case with the woman. I

618
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: have no idea how this would work.

619
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how you would connect or how.

620
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: Would No, they're not connecting anything. Would the inserted materials

621
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: not start to putrefy?

622
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: I would, and your body would absorb what it could.

623
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: And then there's part of me that wonders if he

624
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: even did any transplant at all.

625
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Will they be able to feel something just putting like

626
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: a glass bead in there?

627
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel with the ovaries thing like, yeah, nothing,

628
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: I wouldn't touch that. But I think he actually really

629
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: did it. Anyway, here's something crazy.

630
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: Neither there's something crazy, I think, is what you mean.

631
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: Here's something crazy.

632
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: Neither of the Stitsworth died. In fact, they went on

633
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: to have a healthy baby. What yes child out of her?

634
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: So John, he starts performing these operations on the regular,

635
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: like everyone starts talking about the guys come from all

636
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: over California. Two dudes came from California. But he ran

637
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: into this problem because the initial goats that he were

638
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: he was using were Toggenberg's. It's the type of they're

639
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: odorless goats, and then he started using angoras because like,

640
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: I think the farmer ran out of goats, Like, who

641
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 3: else has goats? Those two Californians after their surgeries, quote

642
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: smelled like a cross between a goat pen and a

643
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: perfumery shopd from them. Yeah, so they've just been like

644
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: perfumes decur to cover up the animal musk emanating from them,

645
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: and like the musk would eventually wear off, but.

646
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: Still, you're right, that is crazy.

647
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: He's mentioning this to one of his patients. He's like,

648
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 3: you know, it's gonna stink to and they're like, and

649
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: they he the patient takes a look at the neutered

650
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: goat used in the last operation. There's just like a

651
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: huge pens handing there, and the guy says to him,

652
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: that's an angora. Billy doc, I thought any dang fool

653
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: would know what angora stinks to.

654
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: High Heaven because all the oils.

655
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like using different he's like, oh, I got to

656
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: use different starts advertising his services. Yeah, it's no secret

657
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: he used the Stittsworths in the ads. He paid them

658
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: for it. He put them on his like payroll because

659
00:32:53,040 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: they were proof that this families have kids intended. Here's

660
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: a clip from a book called The Bizarre Careers of

661
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 3: John L. Brinkley by R. Alton Lee R.

662
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: Elton Lee, R.

663
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: Alton Lee quote. An even more remarkable case soon appeared.

664
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: The Stitsworths told John about their cousin in an insane

665
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: asylum in Nebraska. He had been institutionalized and his condition

666
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: was caused, Brinkley claimed, by onanism or self abuse. Brinkley

667
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: operated and the man recovered and later became an executive

668
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: in a Kansas City bank.

669
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: So wait, this man was handling himself too much And

670
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: the answer was goat and jesticles. Yes, okay.

671
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: He went on to become an executive at a Kansas

672
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: City bank. Brinkley added insanity to the growing list of

673
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: ills that the goat gland operation could cure, provided the

674
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: cause had sexual roots. So this guy touches himself too much.

675
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: And it's not like on Sons of Anarchy where the

676
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: fingers off. This is like he goes on to be

677
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: a bank executive.

678
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to begin.

679
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: So what he has all these ads? One man who

680
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: read an ad was the chancellor of the University of

681
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: Chicago Law School.

682
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: What yeah, he goes out to the University of Chicago.

683
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: Yes, he goes out to Milford to get some goat

684
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: balls and planted. Wow. And he's so thrilled with the

685
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: results that he invited John to graduation and gave him

686
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: an honorary Doctor of Science degree.

687
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: Are you.

688
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 3: Making all this up as I go? No? He expands

689
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: the practice. So he built a special hospital in Milford,

690
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: the Brinkley Jones Hospital and training.

691
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: School for nurses, the Goat Institution.

692
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 3: It's like three stories.

693
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

694
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: It cost twenty thousand dollars to build it. That's like

695
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: a bit over four hundred thousand. Now, sure there are

696
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: beds for sixteen patients, and then there were pens in

697
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: the back for the goats. I got to keep Minnie.

698
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: She goes to the nursing school, but since she was

699
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 3: also vice president of the school, she signed her own diploma.

700
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: Oh my god. And this is all all of this

701
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: is less than a year after John got to town.

702
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 2: What the year one?

703
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: All of his development is really benefiting the town, Like

704
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: he brings in water, sewer, electricity, paper, Milford on the map,

705
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: but many were not model citizens. Like he would get

706
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: into his cups and get a little wild. He started fights,

707
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: and he was just generally an ass. Yeah, he chased

708
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: people with butcher knives.

709
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: Why are you dry? You were real casual.

710
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 3: You apparently bit off a piece of a guy's ear

711
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: in a fight. Milford in nineteen twenty, Many got arrested

712
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: for selling alcohol to a dentist. The guy was like

713
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: three sheets to the wind when cops found him, so

714
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: they were like, okay, that alcohol was not provided for

715
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: medicinal purposes, because you're just like the prohibition. John stepped

716
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: in and took the fall for Minnie and he got

717
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: charged with bootlegging. There are all these stories where like he, uh,

718
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 3: some guy came up to John and he pulled out

719
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: a gun and the guy had to get like a

720
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: heavy board and bang him on the head to stop

721
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: him from going crazy and shooting everybody. Okay, so he's

722
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: just a wild drunk in town, and.

723
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: He's also the doctor who's putting goat junking people and

724
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, yeah, that's the respectable guy.

725
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: But you know what, he got electricity, the.

726
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: One who had to get a board to the head

727
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: last weekend.

728
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so at the hospital, they're conducting regular procedures too.

729
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: It's not just all goat business. Oh that's appendectomies, and

730
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: side really is all about the goats at the end. Yeah,

731
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: so he's you know, people are paying all this money.

732
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: The AMA strongly condemns the goat gland transplant as quackery,

733
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: and they warn the public like this has no scientific merit.

734
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: This could be terribly dangerous. And it wasn't all successes

735
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 3: of like farmers pop boners on tractors and his baby's

736
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: coming up.

737
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: This is mostly a placebo effect people, that's we're talking.

738
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: And there were a lot of men who had like

739
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 3: really severe complications, infections and abscesses, and some died.

740
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: Oh I was wondering if they would lose their parts.

741
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: They lost their lives.

742
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, the surgery was not sanitary, and it was so

743
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: poorly thought through. It didn't matter because.

744
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: Pretty sowe back up.

745
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Part of John's thing is he starts his own

746
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: radio station kb Kansas First, Kansas Best, and he's promoting

747
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: his services and giving all this crazy bad medical advice.

748
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: And on the radio he expands beyond medicine, like he

749
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: would air programs about religion, country music, political speech.

750
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: Daniels type yes.

751
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: And it became one of the most powerful stations in

752
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: the Midwest, and like broadcast, those broadcasts were really revolutionary,

753
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: and he becomes like one of the early pioneers of

754
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: radio advertising.

755
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?

756
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: Well, he'd advertise Brinkley's pills and then his goat gland

757
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: stuff and like other weird.

758
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: Treatments medicine jump right back out.

759
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like he's it's like current day stuff. He's

760
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: preying on the hopes and fears.

761
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, people who are desperate to have the alleviated.

762
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: And he's like this populist hero in rural American. But

763
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: when you're out in the open like that, you get scrutinized,

764
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: or at least we hope you do.

765
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

766
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: So the Federal Radio Commission, they revoked his radio license

767
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: for broadcasting misleading and fraudulent medical advice. Kansas State Medical

768
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 3: Board revoked his medical license.

769
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: He had one, yeah, well the one that he.

770
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: Got with because for him. Yeah, so they're like, no,

771
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: you can't do that here. Then there are all these

772
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: lawsuits from former patients and families of those who died

773
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: as a result of the procedure, which like adds to

774
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: all these let's take a break. I'm going to go

775
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 3: feed the goats out back, and then when upon my return,

776
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: I'll tell you more about John's goat testical empire and

777
00:38:52,200 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: how it crumbles.

778
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: Zarin, I thought the goats were for yogurt, Elizabeth, you

779
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: have yogurt soap?

780
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: Uh huh, Yeah, it's so creamy.

781
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: So tell me more about the goats. Sat medicine guy.

782
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: We got doctor John Brinkley. He's lost his medical license,

783
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: lost his broadcasting license, but he hadn't lost his appetite

784
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: for fame and spectacle. No. So, in nineteen thirty he

785
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: did what any delusional businessman slash dangerous snake oil salesman

786
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: slash narcissistic abbliviator would do. He ran for office. Oh yeah,

787
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: he wanted to be governor of Kansas.

788
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: Wow cast so do I? Yeah?

789
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: So he missed.

790
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, who can really hide their crimes?

791
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: The governor?

792
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: He missed his deadline, defile No, so he ran as

793
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: an independent write in candidate. Yeah, and it wasn't the

794
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: most exciting election before he threw his hat in the ring.

795
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: But after Buddy so everyone had heard about his loss

796
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: of the various licenses, and he had that giant radio

797
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: station still going because the license revocation was in appeal.

798
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: People were hurting, the economy is not good. They sympathized

799
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: with a guy who'd been stripped of his livelihood, and

800
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: he was entertaining I'm sure, yeah, like forget qualifications. We

801
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: love his ring charm. He didn't. He didn't think he'd win.

802
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: It was just like another way to increase his public profile.

803
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: He wants the publicity. And he announced his candidacy five

804
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: days after the Kansas Medical Board revoked his license, and

805
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: in his announcement of his run, he said, quote, let's

806
00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 3: past your goats on the state House lawn. Yeah. So

807
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: he ran a super populist campaign. He talked about free textbooks,

808
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: free medical care for the poor.

809
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: They were buying their textbooks, I.

810
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: Guess, free health club programs for children, pensions for the elderly,

811
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: the blind, and like anyone who couldn't work. He railed

812
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: against agribusiness and like lauded the family farm. He called

813
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: for a recreational lake to be built in every county

814
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: in the state. Like he had the Yetti cooler owners.

815
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 2: On that seriously, and he had a Minnesota on watch.

816
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: But actually he said that when the water in the

817
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: lakes evaporated. It would bring about more rainfall and moisture

818
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: for Kansas crops.

819
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: So wait, they were going to make lakes and then

820
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: the lakes were going to go away and start rain,

821
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: and then that would just rain on Kansas.

822
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: He is a man of science. Wow, yeah, that's eclectic.

823
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: In every county, we're going to put an evaporative lake.

824
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, and like and then it's going to rain

825
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: all the time, just rain on Kansas. Amazing.

826
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: And we'll put that water back from somewhere else, who knows,

827
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: we'll get it, we'll steal it.

828
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: He wanted to raise the gas tax in order to

829
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: pave like thousands of miles row.

830
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's got plans, big plans.

831
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: He wanted Kansas to buy Kansas products, okay. And his

832
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 3: slogan for the campaign clean up, clean out, keep Kansas clean,

833
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: so just clean, clean, clean, unlike in his surgery rooms. Yes,

834
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: so this was actually that's that phrase though, was stolen

835
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: from a mayor's race, like several years prior that he

836
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: heard about. And he's like a.

837
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: Local one, like not even from like Missouri.

838
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. It was just like

839
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 3: someone else.

840
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: I'll take that.

841
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: Well, that sounds good to me. So we had that

842
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: radio station and he used it. He'd get on there

843
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: and just like yammer for hours. I mean, he had

844
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 3: these huge rallies too.

845
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: Sounds yeah.

846
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: And a lot of people showed up just out of

847
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: morbid curiosity to see this. They wanted to see the

848
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: famous goat gland doctor. But then some of the people

849
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: who showed up, they actually like liked what they heard.

850
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: And he was this super rich guy. He'd raked it

851
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: in when he was doing the goat snips. And but

852
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: he's appealing to the working man. He'd say, quote, all

853
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: of us physicians and nurses down here at Milford are

854
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: good Christian folks, just like you. So while his campaign

855
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: was centered on populist rhetoric, he also had his eyes

856
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: on destroying his enemies.

857
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: Oh, political enemies.

858
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if he got the gig, he wanted retribution

859
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: on all the people who took away all of his licenses.

860
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: That's who I thought he watched. You want to revenge

861
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 2: on the licensing bodies.

862
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. He said in one speech that he wanted to

863
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: abolish quote unnecessary boards and investigative body. So you know

864
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: it's yeah, and so I have to say, he came

865
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: surprisingly close to winning, Like, especially for a write in candidate,

866
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: it was culd.

867
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 2: Crazy if that's what I was thinking. For a write

868
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: in candidate, you have to get real enthusiasm to people

869
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: were like.

870
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: Exciting, they were very excited. And there were accusations of

871
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: vote tampering on all sides, like voter suppression. That's his

872
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: supporters wanted him to ask for a recount, but he

873
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: didn't want to spend the money for it. And so

874
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: though he lost, he like remains undeterred and he's still

875
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: like trying to grow the radio empire. Okay, so he

876
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: doesn't they he finally loses that Kansas license. Oh, so

877
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: he sets his sights on becoming what was called a

878
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: border blaster.

879
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: It's a border blast, I'll tell you.

880
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 3: These were radio guys who took advantage of the fact

881
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: that Mexico got kind of screwed when it came to

882
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: the distribution of radio glassies in North America. So like

883
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: the US gets the most, then Canada, and then like

884
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: Mexico gets a small slice of it. So in response,

885
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: they let radio folks do basically whatever they wanted.

886
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: Yes, and like the power are they right?

887
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

888
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: And they're super strong superstations.

889
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: So, like US citizens started building transmitters just over the border,

890
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: and it's like great for the Mexican economy, and it's

891
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: a nice middle finger to Uncle Sam.

892
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: In the fifties, Jack, Yeah, we're gonna get that.

893
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: So the AMA heard that John wanted to build a

894
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: station at the border, and they flipped out.

895
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 2: I bet they.

896
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: So they worked with the US State Department to try

897
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: and prevent it from happening. And like the Mexican government

898
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: responded to their pleas with like a shrug. They did

899
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: bar John from practicing medicine in Mexico, and so then

900
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: he construction begins on a mega station with these three

901
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: giant transmitters in via Acunya, just over the border from

902
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: Del Rio Tech. It's now Ana Zarin, close your eyes, yes,

903
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: I want you to picture it. It's October twenty first,

904
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty one. You are a radio engineer. You moved

905
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: down to Del Rio, Texas to work at X e R.

906
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: The US got radio call signs W and K, Mexico

907
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 3: got X. This is an exciting opportunity for you. For one,

908
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: it's the middle of the Great Depression, so any job's

909
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 3: a good job. You started your career by studying under

910
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: doctor Charles Harold at his herald College of Engineering and

911
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: Wireless in Santase, California. You trained as a wireless operator,

912
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: a radio technician. Then you got a job at a

913
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: fledgling station in Los Angeles about ten years ago and

914
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 3: meant a nice gal had a couple of kids. Then

915
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 3: you heard about a new opportunity and brother it paid.

916
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: You couldn't believe the salary they were offering. Only you

917
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: had to move to Texas and you had to cross

918
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 3: over into mexicook. This wasn't appealing to a lot of people,

919
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: but it was to you and your family. Your wife's

920
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: family was originally from Mexico. They'd been living in La

921
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: since it was Mexico, and a good number of them

922
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: still live south of the border. You are fluent in Spanish,

923
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: so you can communicate with the Mexican staff. This is

924
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: the perfect job for you, except for one thing. You're

925
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 3: working for that quack John R. Briefly, he is a

926
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: circus ring master, a con. You think he's just disgusting,

927
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: that he's no good, But the job and its money

928
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: are good, so you signed on. Today is a manner day.

929
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: It's the first day of broadcast for XDER. The Del

930
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: Rio Chamber of Commerce has been throwing a party for

931
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 3: this all week, big bands playing tubas and trumpets. Right now,

932
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: a crowd has gathered outside the via Acunia station building,

933
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: awaiting the sounds of the first broadcast to come through

934
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: the public address system attached to the walls outside. Similar

935
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: groups wait beneath giant speakers in del Rio and Milford, Kansas.

936
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: The station is more powerful than any station operating in

937
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 3: the US. It's running at fifty thousand watts now, but

938
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: you've heard plans to take it up to one million.

939
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: You give a nod and Managing director Bert Munal gives

940
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 3: a nod back. Engineer Isaiah S. Gallo flips the switch

941
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: and the station roars to life. Now John Brinkley's not there.

942
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 3: He's still making his way down from Kansas. His plane

943
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: stopped for the night a piece north of here, so

944
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: he calls in to be broadcast to the masses friends

945
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: in Kansas and elsewhere. This is doctor talking from the

946
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: sun Side station between the Nations. You hear cheers and

947
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: wops rise up outside. X e R is not all right,

948
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: So Radio XCR I.

949
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: Love Sunshine Station between the Nations.

950
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: That's what they call themselves. Radio XCR notable for its

951
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: eclectic programming and not in the medical sense. He continued

952
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: to use the station as a platform for like touting

953
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: the goat lands stuff. Oh my god, I can't practice medicine. Yeah,

954
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: but that's not all. He also had like miracle cures

955
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: and tonics. He like, actually he's talking about the goat glands,

956
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: but he's like shifted away from the goat testicle transplants

957
00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: into goat elixir. But it isn't just like quack medicine QVC.

958
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: On this station, they also played a lot of country music.

959
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: They did religious sermons, and like even early forms of

960
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: talk shows, popular musicians of the day performed live, helping

961
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 3: to build like this really devoted audience. There was airtime

962
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: for traveling preachers and they would pay to be on

963
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 3: the radio, which further expands the revenue stream. They had

964
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: this They had like health advice, music, religious. It makes

965
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: it such a big hit with this combination, and it's

966
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: so powerful. Listeners all over North America are turning in.

967
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like TBS and WGN superstition.

968
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so remember because it operates across the border,

969
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 3: not subject to broadcasting laws, so's he could just roll

970
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: on unchecked for years. He does this, Wow, and it

971
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: creates frustrations pirate completely. Yeah, so the US regulators are

972
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: super frustrated about this. They have no control over this

973
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 3: powerful signal and it's it actually kind of solidifies him

974
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: as a radio pioneer, even though like his medical practices

975
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 3: are fraudulent. He set a precedent for the use of

976
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: radio as a mass marketing tool and also for the

977
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: potential reach of these border blasters, like look what you

978
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 3: could possibly simple? Yes, So despite the success, you know,

979
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: the radio station starts getting scrutinized by like both the

980
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: Mexican and US government.

981
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: Eventually Mexican like wait a minute.

982
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 3: So then the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission in the

983
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: US just keeps putting more and more pressure on the

984
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: Mexican government, and they come up with these international agreements

985
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: regarding radio frequency interference, and that forces Brinkley to shut

986
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: down XCR in nineteen thirty three.

987
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: Oh, not to underpower it, just shut it down.

988
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: So like he was, he was able to start it

989
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: back up again. He changed the name to XCR A

990
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: with it new era, and he took it up to

991
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: one million watts?

992
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?

993
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: No?

994
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: For that, I didn't even know you could do that.

995
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: Neither did I. By nineteen thirty nine, both governments are

996
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: now like really putting the pressure on. They shut him down.

997
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: You're giving birds cancer. You cannot be doing a million.

998
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 3: But like the infrastructure of the station was really valuable,

999
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: so it gets sold off to other l Yeah.

1000
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: It had a million watts.

1001
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah equipment XCRF, which in nineteen sixty three employed a

1002
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 3: DJ who described the signal as such, quote, we had

1003
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: the most powerful signal in North America. Birds dropped dead

1004
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 3: and too close to the tower. A car driving from

1005
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 3: New York to LA could would never lose the station.

1006
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: And that DJ, Robert Weston Smith aka Wolfman Jack, the

1007
00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: famous raspy voiced radio personality. Well I couldn't do that.

1008
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 3: I'd never speak again.

1009
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: So back to John, he was one of my favorite

1010
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: obviously early on, just as like I didn't obviously hear

1011
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: him on the radios as a kid, but like he

1012
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: was still a present like TV and movie came like

1013
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: late night movies instead Elvira, Oh.

1014
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 3: My god, totally on. So John Brinkley, his he grows

1015
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: his wealth and his influence when he's in Mexico. But

1016
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: like his reputation just keeps deteriorating. Yeah, medical professionals, journalist.

1017
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: It's just one expose after another.

1018
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: They're taking turns dunking on him.

1019
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then all the lawsuits keep growing about illnesses, figurements,

1020
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: and deaths from his operations. In nineteen thirty eight, he

1021
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: lost a major libel lawsuit against Morris Fishbine. He was

1022
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: the editor of the Journal of the American Medals, Yes Gemma.

1023
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: So Fishbine had publicly called John quote charlatan and his

1024
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: operations a quote racket. So John sued him, but then

1025
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: he lost. No, because like by the legal definition, you're

1026
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: a charlatan run in a racket. So this ruling opened

1027
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 3: up the door for like a bunch of other lawsuits

1028
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: from former presidents and their family. Yeah, many of the

1029
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: suits ended with like huge settlements damage. He was like

1030
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: this multi millionaire, it's just draining, draining, draining. Then his

1031
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 3: health starts to decline, gets he has like heart disease.

1032
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 3: Everything's kind of fallen apart. Nineteen forty one, he goes bankrupt.

1033
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: His clinics are all closed because he had them all

1034
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: over the place at this point, broadcasting empire totally dismantled.

1035
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: He's disgraced, you know, malpractice, fraud, whatever. He passed away

1036
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: from heart failure in nineteen forty two in San Antonio, Texas,

1037
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 3: and he leaves this legacy of like deception and controversy

1038
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: much but like it's interesting because his life and his

1039
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: career are this example of influence of media and the

1040
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: risks posed by unregulated medical practices. Yeah, so you have

1041
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 3: the goat gland procedures are totally just like emblematic of

1042
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: all the charlatans at the time. But then like the radio,

1043
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: he's showing the power of all these emerging technologies and

1044
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: he's manipulating public opinion. So like he helps pioneer radio

1045
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: is a commercial enterprise community.

1046
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: Mass communicating over here.

1047
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like that totally influences how future broadcasters and

1048
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 3: advertisers approach the medium. So he bridges this gap between

1049
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 3: like the quackery of the wagon entry and the mass

1050
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: media exploitation of the twentieth century. So that's him. What's

1051
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: your ridiculous takeaway?

1052
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: I just love that you shock me with a story

1053
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: that's going I know is going to be about goat

1054
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: glands and human bodies, and still you end up delighting

1055
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: me with my man, well man, Jack, I couldn't. I

1056
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: did not see that coming at all, as a bit

1057
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: of a total surprise, and look at my face. I'm

1058
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: still delighted.

1059
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 3: There's there's a lot that you don't say.

1060
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: You know totally nothing I saw counting what was your

1061
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: ridiculous takeaway.

1062
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: My ridiculous takeaway is that we have a lot to

1063
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: blame him for. And I'll just walk away from that.

1064
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: He was an interesting precedent with a really long shadow.

1065
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly long shadow. You know what I do really

1066
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 3: need as a talkback day.

1067
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I.

1068
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 3: Went get.

1069
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 4: Hey, rude dudes. My name is B I've been listening

1070
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: since day one, and I started reading the books you

1071
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 4: guys recommended. One of the first was Air Force Alligator,

1072
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 4: and dear God, was that one of the biggest ridiculous

1073
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 4: crimes of all time? Awful book, absolutely awful. Glad I

1074
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 4: read it, though, so I look forward to reading the

1075
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 4: rest in Stay slazy.

1076
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: Wait, B, I love you so much for you. You

1077
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: need to win all sorts of awards.

1078
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 2: We're else need to give you some other books to read.

1079
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 3: Oh that's beautiful. That's it for today. You can find

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00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: us online at ridiculous Crime dot com. We're also on

1081
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,600
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1082
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Speaker 1: from my Heart Radio. Visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.