1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: What's that a. 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: Bed? 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: It spooky? 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, I said, Nandez. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: Plase, Hey boo, it's me Roz. Welcome to Ghosted by 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I invite my friends on 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 3: to talk about things that make the little hairs on 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: my body stand up even though I've spent thousands of 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 3: dollars on hair removal procedures. I want to welcome you 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: to October, my favorite month, Oh my god, And this 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: is the craziest October of them all, because this is 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: the month where I get to say that I am 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: a paranormal TV star. The TV show that I am 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: honored to be a part of, called Living for the Dead, 16 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: premieres October eighteenth on Hulu, and I'm dedicating this whole 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: month to my fellow castmates. Now, if you haven't heard 18 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: about the show, just a quick little description produced by 19 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: Kristin Stewart, also narrated by Kristin Stewart. Produced by Scout Productions, 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: the ones that created Queer Eye. I mean, hello, and 21 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: it's me, three psychics and a tech lesbian and we're 22 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: all queer and we're traveling the country. That's a real 23 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: brief description. Okay, on the cast, I'm sort of the researcher, 24 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: you know, that's what I do. I get into dead 25 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: people's business. I'm also joined by Ken Boggle. He's on 26 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: the show. Ken Boggle is an incredible tarot card reader 27 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: and also has some psychic abilities and has a long 28 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: history with paranormal investigation as well. Then there's Logan Taylor, 29 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: who is a very charismatic psychic medium that can make 30 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: a person cry. I mean, he talks to your loved 31 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 3: ones and he knows exactly those things that only somebody 32 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: with special powers can know. It's incredible. Then there's Alex LeMay, 33 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: who I jokingly said is the tech lesbian. Alex is 34 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: actually not a lesbian. Alex's queer pan By and Alex 35 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: is an incredible ghost hunter that specializes in tech equipment 36 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: technology you now all the different gizmos and gadgets. And 37 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 3: then there's my guest today, Juju Bee. Oh my god, 38 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: Juju is also somebody that has got some psychic abilities. 39 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: And Juju is also a witch. She's a whodo lady, 40 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: She's a healer. She definitely specializes in a lot of 41 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: practices that I don't know a ton about and that's 42 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: why it's really cool to have her on the show today. 43 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: The funny thing about all of these people, and you 44 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: might be listening to this and you're like, well, I 45 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: haven't even seen this show yet. I don't know, but 46 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: I want to introduce you to all my friends because 47 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: this TV show is going to be a huge part 48 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: of my life, but also this podcast. They go very 49 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: hand in hand. I've really dedicated my life to fun 50 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: queer paranormal content and making it funny, and that's what 51 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: this TV show does as well. It's what I do 52 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: on the TV show. And I do see these two 53 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: worlds very much combining. I mean, it's like the and 54 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: the TV show. They're so complimentary to each other. And 55 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: now I'm on a paranormal investigation team and these are 56 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: the people that I work with so closely, and a 57 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: lot of the stuff that I'm going to talk about 58 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: with each of these people you may not learn about 59 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: on the show quite as much because well, I mean, 60 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: it's eight episodes. They all drop October eighteenth. But you know, 61 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: there's there's only so much we can talk about on 62 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: the TV show. So I'm hoping that we can just 63 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: kind of dive a little bit deeper in these conversations 64 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: and I can get to know my teammates better and 65 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 3: you can get to know them as well. But yeah, 66 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 3: it's all very crazy that I get to be a 67 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: part of the show. What do you think of the 68 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: title Living for the Dead? I actually came up with it. 69 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: I came up with it. I mean, I'm just it's 70 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: just a fact, it's true. I did. They were trying 71 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: to come up with a title for the show, and 72 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: the creative team and producers were we were like workshopping 73 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 3: a bunch of different titles, and it just hit me, 74 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: Living for the Dead. That's how I envision it, Living 75 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: for the dead, as many syllables as possible, Living for 76 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: the jad, That's how envision it. 77 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. 78 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: I think it's like a perfect title, if I do 79 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: say so myself, because you know, it's sort of like 80 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: I love a title that means more than one thing. 81 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: I mean, hello, ghosted by Ras. But the title living 82 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: for the Dead, you know, my first instinct is like 83 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: sort of how we talk in queer culture, drag culture, 84 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: like most of the way people talk, the kids talk 85 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: these days. I think the main root of it is 86 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 3: ballroom culture of queer and transgender. You know, many trans women, 87 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 3: drag queens and gay men of color are the originators 88 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: of a lot of these fun things that we all 89 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: say these days, like throwing shade and yes, queen, you 90 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: know all these sayings. But so you know, you say, 91 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: I'm living, Oh, honey, I am living for this podcast. Honey, 92 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: I am living for those shoes. And I said, you 93 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 3: know what, I am living for the dead. But also 94 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: like we're the living and we're helping the dead. Like 95 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: we are we are for the dead. We are the 96 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: living and we're for the dead. Also on the show, 97 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 3: we are helping living people that are dealing with the 98 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: dead in their homes or their places of work or whatever. 99 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: So I don't know, I liked it. So Luckily I 100 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: wasn't the only one. And now I get to be 101 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 3: in a show called Living for the Dead. Okay, guys, 102 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 3: enough enough up top here. Oh, actually, one more thing 103 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: I do want to point out that I am doing 104 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: some tour dates. Honey. I'm going to New York City, 105 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to Seattle, I'm going to Portland, I'm going 106 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: to Vancouver, the Canadian one and h more dates keep 107 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: getting added, So please check out my Instagram. The link 108 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: in my description will have ticket sales and you know, 109 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: ticket links and dates and all of that stuff. So 110 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: I'd love to see you there. I will say, I'll 111 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: be doing stand up, not ghost related stuff. I'll be 112 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: doing just jokes about the living. But nonetheless I'd love 113 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: to see you there. Okay, here I go, talking to, 114 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: in my opinion, the funniest person in this cast, Doju 115 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: bay On with this show. I am joined by truly 116 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: one of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen. And 117 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: if you think that's impressive, just the sheer beauty that 118 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: radiates off of her. You guys, see what she can 119 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: do with a little bit of witchcraft and some eyeshadow. Honey. 120 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: I am joined by the one and only from Baltimore, 121 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: Juju Bae. How are you. 122 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: Hi, Rossie Pool? Hello, everyone listening to Ghosting not me 123 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: on Ghosting. 124 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: I'm famous while you are one of the stars of 125 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: this new TV show called Living for the Dead, which 126 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: is premiering on Hulu October eighteenth. It's crazy that we're 127 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: talking about this because you and I are both on 128 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: the show together. We have not been able to talk 129 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: about it for over years. Wow, and the day is 130 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: finally almost here. And I just want you to know that, 131 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: and please do not tell this to the other cast members, 132 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: but you are my favorite. 133 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for Rozzie. You're my favorite too. 134 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: I won't tell them if you won't tell them. Jujo, 135 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: it's our secret. 136 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: So Juju, who are you? What's your deal? So? 137 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,239 Speaker 2: I'm a spiritual practitioner. I practice hoodoo some people colloquially 138 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: called this voodoo, which is like an African American medicinal system, 139 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: magic system. And then I also am a practitioner within 140 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: a tradition called ephi, which is like venerating different nature 141 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: based deities more or less. But all of that can 142 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: be encompassed into a witch. 143 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm a witch. I practice witchcraft. I'm a black witch. 144 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: I do magic, quote unquote, and yeah, I talk to 145 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: dead people a lot, as folks will see on the show, 146 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: and interact with the dead a lot, and it is 147 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: a big part of like who I am, and like 148 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: I would not be who I am without the dead, 149 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: and so like I bring them into my life very 150 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: often every single day. 151 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: Was you seeing dead people and talking to dead people? 152 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,119 Speaker 3: Was that something that happened before you started practicing. 153 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: No, actually, like I really wasn't doing anything super special, 154 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: and then I started having dreams, like about dead people, specifically, 155 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: like my dead ancestors talking to me once I didn't know. 156 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: They were telling me their names, what they used to do, 157 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: and I was like, who is this? And I would 158 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: go to my family They're like, how did you know 159 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: about this particular person? So I was like, Okay, this 160 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: is kind of weird. Maybe I should look into why 161 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: I'm having dreams about dead people and my ancestors. And 162 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: I saw that there's just a million different practices of 163 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: people who talk to their ancestors and that their ancestors 164 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: guide their lives, and so I started to do research 165 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: and then I think through that, I started to be 166 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: able to see and communicate with them even more. But 167 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: my spirits were like, hey, you have this gift, is 168 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: about time you start using it. And this is like 169 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: mid twenty So I didn't like plan to be a 170 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: witch or anything. 171 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: It just happened. 172 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: So did you have a moment where you get like 173 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: that scene in the movie where you go to the 174 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: library and you're like looking at the old newspaper articles 175 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: and you're like screaming that's the guy for my dream 176 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 3: or were you able to confirm that? 177 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: Like, the confirmation really came from having conversations with family members, 178 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: like older family members like oh, I feel like I 179 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: should be using plant medicine to do blah blah blah. 180 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: And then I would like go to my great aunt 181 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: who's ninety three, and she's like, oh, yeah, my grandmother 182 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: used to be the town quote unquote witch doctor, but 183 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: was basically the people that cared for black folks, specifically 184 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: like during enslavement birth the babies also did the little 185 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: juju magic spell work. I didn't necessarily go to the 186 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: library but be like, ah, that's the thing. But a 187 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: lot of the things that I saw my dreams were 188 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 2: confirmed through just like storytelling in my family later down 189 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: the line, once I told them that I was talking 190 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: to dead people because they didn't know that either, that 191 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: was a secret for a very long time. It still 192 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: is unless they listen to Ghosted. They going on now ooo, 193 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: I know, so I'm not even fully out the closet. 194 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 3: You well, you're about to be on television talking about it. Yeah, 195 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: you grew up Catholic, right, I did, so, Okay, a 196 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: lot to unpack there because I believe, since I grew 197 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: up Catholic too, mm hmmm, that it definitely can prep 198 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 3: you for being someone that would believe in ghosts, yes, 199 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: and the spiritual realm. I mean, does that apply to you? 200 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: Do you think that that has something to do with that? 201 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 4: Oh? 202 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 203 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: I always say that Catholics are like the Christian witches 204 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: because they are. 205 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that they would like that, 206 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: they would hate that, but I completely agree. I think 207 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: that's so much of the ceremony going on in a 208 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: Catholic mass is so just even like a bunch of 209 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: people holding hands saying a prayer together at M down, 210 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: it's always monotone as fuck m and everybody is just 211 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: like chanting, like if you didn't know what they were saying, 212 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: like you would be. It's like they're all saying a spell. 213 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: It's like one big coven it is. 214 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: And like the deity aspect of my work now, I'm like, oh, 215 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: I've been like venerating deities for a long time through 216 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: the Saints, Like there were feast days for saints and 217 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: we would talk about the saints and sometimes you could 218 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: even quote unquote bring them offering like you would light 219 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: a candle for a particular deity that was not God. 220 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: You know, we're venerating Mary as if she's God herself 221 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: or even Jesus. Like it prepped me one hundred percent 222 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: for what I do now. So I have to give 223 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: Catholicism that because it really cultivated the inner witch within me, 224 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: even though I know the Catholics would be rolling to 225 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: hear that. 226 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: I know, but do you feel that it's still like 227 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: in you? For me, it's hard to shake some Catholic 228 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: things like what like, I don't relate to the organized religion, 229 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: the business side of it at all. 230 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: Sure, the admin, but. 231 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 3: I really think that if I was in a plane 232 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: going down, I might yep, Father Son, Holy Spirit, I 233 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,119 Speaker 3: might do the sign of the Cross. 234 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yep. 235 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: I actually went to this was actually last year. I 236 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: went to a wine festival that was at a Catholic 237 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: church in Baltimore. 238 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: A blood festival, a blood feast, blood feasts. 239 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: It was literally like wine tasting, wine festival, and I 240 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: took my mom. 241 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: But was it did they turn it into They did not. 242 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: Turn into blood. This was strictly secular wine tasting. Pino 243 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: grigio sharaay. They had their reds and their whites and 244 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: the blends. Only a Catholic church would have a wine tasting, 245 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: but I went because I was just so interested. It 246 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: was at the Shrine of Saint Anthony in Baltimore, so 247 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: I went, you know, we're drinking and stuff. And I 248 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: went to the gift shop because they have a good 249 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: job there, and I bought a little book that's like 250 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: to Mary, like Daily Devotional Mary Prayers, and like I'm 251 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: fully a witch, but like I still will read like 252 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: Daily Devotionals to Mary, so like I haven't fully let 253 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: it go, Like I fuck with Mary. I think she's cool, 254 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: like we vibe. I think she hears me. And I 255 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: also pray to some saints though, like I pray to 256 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: Saint Anthony a lot. 257 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: When I lose items, I do too. 258 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. That's the number one thing that I still 259 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: do from Catholicism. People listening, if you don't know this 260 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: something that they'll teach you. If you lose an item, 261 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: you say a prayer to Saint Anthony. Bitch. If I 262 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: didn't do it. An hour ago. I have this purse 263 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: from Hell that has three different compartments in it. And 264 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: I was on a podcast and then as soon as 265 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: I was going out to my car, I could not 266 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: find my keys in there. And I'm digging around with 267 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: my long ass claws. I can't find it. And I said, 268 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: Saint Anthony, come on, I gotta get home. I talked 269 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: to Jujube from televisions Living for the Dead, and Sat 270 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: Anthony said, I got you, boo. 271 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: Saint Anthony is my boo. 272 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: Seriously, I talk to him all the time because I'm 273 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: also someone who loses shit all the time, so like 274 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: you will never hear me speaking down. 275 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 3: There's also the who's the one that you buy a 276 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: statue if you're trying to sell like a car or 277 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: a house or something. 278 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 279 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: I can't remember, but some which stores I've been to 280 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: sell those for that reason, I don't know. I like 281 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: it all, Lissa. I am polyamorous when it comes to deities. 282 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: If it works, it works, That's my thing. If it works, 283 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: it works. 284 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: And I love that. I think it's personal. I think 285 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: whatever makes sense to people. Yeah, So, speaking of voodoo 286 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: and who doo mm hmm, I think it is so 287 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: important to talk about that stigma and reputation it's garnered 288 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: from how it's been so horribly depicted in movies and 289 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: books and so many things over the years. So unfair. 290 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 3: I mean witchcraft in general, yes, but it almost seems 291 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: like voodoo. All people think about is voodoo. 292 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: Dolls, hexes and curses. 293 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: Yes. Is that something you've encountered. 294 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: Oh? 295 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like you said, witchcraft in general is not something 296 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: that people see as sexy. Maybe more now, I think 297 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: it's kind of being explored or it's like a little 298 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: bit cute, but in a lot of ways, it still 299 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: feels very surface level. And this is like no shade, 300 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: but just like the oh I have a crystal, like 301 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: that's the safe form to practice. But if you're doing 302 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: anything that's not as like packaged and you know, beautiful, 303 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: it definitely has this negative connotation. I think that who 304 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: do and voodoo falls under that because it's not as sexy, 305 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: it's not as I don't want to say marketable, because 306 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: it's super marketable, but in a way that like if 307 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: anyone's ever traveled to New Orleans, it's just kind of 308 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: like this oversaturation of like come in here and buy 309 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: a voodoo doll, and it's like right, not quite like 310 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: these are actually practices that people used, like medicinal practices, 311 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: learning about plant medicine, the herbs, what stone to use 312 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: for what, what dirt you can use to heal yourself. 313 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: What prayer you can use to have a court case disappear, 314 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: What spell or work you can do to have your 315 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: like slave master stop abusing you. Like these are very 316 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: very deep, long lasting practices that obviously had they been 317 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 2: demonized because they've saved so many people and they've supported 318 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: so many people, particularly like black folks. So that's why 319 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm very intentional about using those kinds of practices. I'm 320 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: here because someone did a spell, Like I'm literally in 321 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: my embodiment because someone in my family went to the 322 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: Juju Lady, or was the Juju Lady? Birth helped someone 323 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: be born, to know what to give the baby, what 324 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: to pray over the baby, how to protect your lover, 325 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: Like there's just so many things. Not to have your 326 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: child sold away from you in slavery, Like there's works 327 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 2: and spells for that. So I think that the demonization 328 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: is so sad, and I get it from mass media 329 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: because like I mean, you can watch like Princess and 330 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 2: the Frog and Disney and like seeing you know, like 331 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: the bad guys, the voodoo guy that's that's in everything. 332 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: But I think even with my own community, it's kind 333 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: of the saddest part because it's like, y'all, this was 334 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: like our thing until whatever other powers that be, like 335 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: in the spiritual space are like, this is demonic, this 336 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: is evil. You must find Jesus, God or whatever. And 337 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: I'm cool with all of it. But I think there's 338 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 2: definitely like a stigma attached to being a witch. And 339 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: I know when I say that, I don't say it 340 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 2: lightly at all, because in some places witchcraft is illegal. 341 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, reading with shells is illegal, like in the. 342 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 2: US, not just in other countries in the United States, 343 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: like you could be fined in like North Carolina if 344 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: you like do divination? 345 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: Is that right? 346 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: I think also wisconon somewhere else. 347 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: I was just writing about it nowhere we went, right, 348 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: or did we? 349 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: We didn't go in any of those places. 350 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: Three break alot am I going to that beta jail. 351 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: Well there's a spell for that. 352 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: Oh my god, case, yeah, you better pull out whatever 353 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 3: gets you out of jail. You to pull out that spell. 354 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: There's plenty of those, Honey, just give me a brown candle. 355 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, it's like you can't ignore the 356 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: fact that particularly just witchcraft in general is misogynist. That 357 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: goes way back, and then the racism within stigmatizing. 358 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: Who do I mean, it's kind of scary too that, 359 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 2: like we're on a show where I'm literally doing some 360 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 2: of those things and like nodding to these practices that 361 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 2: are so stigmatized, like that is something that I think 362 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: about too, like, oh shit, like what does this mean 363 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: for me? Like I'm gonna have that stay up proudly, yes, 364 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: but also I still don't fully know what to expect 365 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: with that. 366 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: It's a that now I understand. I mean, being transiting 367 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: on TV two is scary. Yeah, unfortunately we both are 368 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: dealing with our own versions of this kind of thing. 369 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know. 370 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: We believe in the work that we do right, and 371 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: we know that we're not doing things with bad intentions. 372 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: It's a scary world these days. 373 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: It is good. 374 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: Should we just become Christians? 375 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: I think? 376 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: So maybe she's just going to mess a mess on Sundays. 377 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 3: It's always interesting and I'm not gonna lie. As somebody 378 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: that works in paranormal entertainment. Sometimes it's kind of frustrating 379 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: when I talk to deeply spiritual people about ghosts, because 380 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: they'll just sort of act like, yes, it's just something 381 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: that happens. It's just it's part of the world. And 382 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, bitch, it's scary. Look behind you. But tell 383 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 3: me about your experience with that kind of stuff. I mean, 384 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 3: have you seen a ghost? Have you had experiences where 385 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: you go to haunted houses and that sort of a thing. 386 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: So I'm not really the person that's like going to 387 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: haunted places to investigate. 388 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: I mean, for fun, I have clearly you'll see it 389 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: on the show. 390 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily say that that was a big part 391 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: of my practice. Yeah, yeah, I do readings like I 392 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 2: read like that's what I do. So I am coming 393 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: into contact with ghosts, you know, ghosts quote unquote pretty 394 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: often because I'm speaking to people's ghosts, like the ghosts 395 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: that walk with individuals, I interact with them. So I'm 396 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: trying not to be the annoying spiritual a person who's 397 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: like it's a part of life, but it really is. 398 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: A part of my normal now day to day. 399 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 3: Talk about it the way you do. I just my 400 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: silly brain. I just always wanted to be so scary. 401 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: And well, okay, I have a story where I was 402 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: shook a little bit. Okay, So I told you that 403 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: I practice something called ephi is a nature based practice. 404 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: They have many deities that we venerate on specific days, 405 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 2: and when you first get into the tradition, you go 406 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: through like an initiatory process. 407 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: We have to do all these things, like secret things, right, 408 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: it's a real initiation. 409 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: So at the end you receive shrines of specific deities. 410 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: So this is pretty early in my journey. I was like, Okay, 411 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: I'm learning about this. I think I want to practice 412 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: this religion. Like I'm going to go through an initiation 413 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 2: and receive these shrines, and like I'm ready. I go 414 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: through it. I'm doing all these random things. They're not random, 415 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: but they are. And I'm like, did I make a mistake, 416 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: Like this is kind of weird. It's just new to me. 417 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: So on the last day, we're all happy, we celebrate, 418 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 2: we have a little party. 419 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the religion. Blah blah. I get three shrines. 420 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: I go home. 421 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: They're like, you know, put them one by the door, 422 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: one here, one there, and you know, make sure that 423 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 2: for the next few days you like talk to them regularly. 424 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, so we're done. I 425 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: go home. 426 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: I put my shrines down. One of them has a 427 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: lot of like different medals in the shrine. Another one 428 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: is like stone. So I go to bed first night 429 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: in the new religion, yay, And all throughout the night, 430 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: I hear the stones like shifting around like on the 431 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 2: ground in my house. And then I hear the metal 432 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: clashing together constantly just throughout the night, like I can 433 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 2: hear the things that are in the shrine just like 434 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: being picked up and dropped. Ain't nobody in my house 435 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: with me. I don't got no cats, I don't got 436 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: no animals nothing. That shit scared the shit out of me. 437 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 2: And this was like outside of my room, Like I 438 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: couldn't even get up to go look because I was terrified. 439 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: And at that moment, I was like, I think I've 440 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: just like signed my life over to the devil, Like 441 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: I thought. 442 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: I was like, why did I do this? 443 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 444 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: I regretted it instantly, but then I woke up the 445 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: next day and like I shook it off. I don't know, 446 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: it sounds weird, but like I got to know the 447 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: shrines and talk to them, and now they're like my 448 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: best friends. But it was the moment where I was like, oh, 449 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: this shit is real. I'm in my room, awake and 450 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: I hear my shrines shaking and moving in the other room. 451 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 3: Do you interpret that as them saying hi? Or what 452 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: now I do? 453 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: But okay, I'm new, like I'm not super into the 454 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: witchy juju woo woo yet. 455 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: So I was terrified. But no. 456 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 2: I talked to other people and they're like, yeah, sometimes 457 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: when you bring your they're called are show. When you 458 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 2: bring your risha home, they're unpacking their bags. Yeah, they're familiar, right, 459 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: They're moving in like they're putting it in their friend 460 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: getting cozy, and that's what it is. 461 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so that happens to people. They're 462 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: like yeah. And also you're a medium because you are 463 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: able to hear that so clearly. 464 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh, you're like okay, so I 465 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: could start charging people. So you're saying I can make money. 466 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: It's interesting to hear you talk about being terrified because 467 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 3: from my experience with you, we went to borderline hell mouths. 468 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: We did. 469 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: We went to some places that I would not send 470 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 3: my words to enemies to God, and I never saw 471 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 3: you scared sure, cold, maybe because it was freezing, tired 472 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: because we had long hours, whatever, But I never saw 473 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: you scared. And what's that about? Is that your ancestors? 474 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: Is that your faith? How do you describe that? 475 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: Mmmmm, I don't know. 476 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: I just well, one, I know I was so afraid 477 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: back then because I was new, and now I just 478 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: feel like I've been in it so many years, Like 479 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: this was at least five six years ago that I 480 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 2: first got my arisha. So I guess it's my faith. 481 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: I feel very protected insecure in what I practice, and 482 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: I just am not phased by a lot of things. 483 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: But this isn't just like the witchy shit. I'm kind 484 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 2: of like flat when it goes to that. So it's 485 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: not that I'm just like so not afraid. I'd just 486 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 2: be like, okay, chow over all right, like let's let's 487 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: figure it out. 488 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 3: Complete opposite of me. I think it would be so 489 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: funny to see footage of you sleeping and me sleeping 490 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: when we say to these haunted hotels, you were just 491 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 3: in there with like face mask on, knocked out. Yeah, 492 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: just like so just peaceful. It would be that song 493 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 3: did Do Do Do Do? And then there's me over 494 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: there shaking constantly with my eyes look at Dart and around. 495 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 3: I was so scared. 496 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: Did you really not sleep well? 497 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 3: Girl? Sleep well? Sleep at all? I didn't sleep any 498 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: of the times that we stayed at Haunted Play, says. 499 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: The only times that I slept was if we had 500 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: time during the day, if we weren't going to start 501 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: until noon, I would go to bed once the sun 502 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 3: came up. I don't know, five six o'clock in the 503 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 3: morning what I would go to bed then until like 504 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 3: ten or something and then get ready. So some nights 505 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 3: in those locations, I had like four hours. 506 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 507 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 3: But you know, as of right now when we're recording this, 508 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 3: you and I have only seen the first episode at 509 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: the Clown Motel, and I believe you'll see more of 510 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: that process later on in the season. But when I 511 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: was watching the Cloud Motel one, I'm like, this makes 512 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: it look like I slept great. I'm here to have 513 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: a great time. No, the truth is our rooms were terrifying. 514 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 3: I feel like, wasn't yours pretty scary? 515 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: Yes, my room was very scary. I didn't sleep well 516 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: at least the first night either. But just because I 517 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: just I'm bougie with my accommodations, but honest sleep well either. 518 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this? 519 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 4: Oh, ew, well, there is something about a motel that 520 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 4: scares me, Like people can just knock on your door, 521 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 4: like I have doing shows out of town before, like 522 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 4: stayed in motels and had people knock on my doors 523 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: in the middle of the night. 524 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: Right, the whole experience freaks me out. Sometimes not always 525 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: necessarily because a ghosts right. But I didn't have any 526 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 3: experiences in my room at that place. But they would say, oh, 527 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: this is the room where people wake up and they 528 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: see a man sitting in the chair next to the bed. 529 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, scratching you, pulling hair. 530 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: And then they go, here's your room key, have a 531 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 3: good night, see you. Yeah. And then also written in 532 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: pencil on the wall, people had written their experiences. Oh 533 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: I was staying here and this happened, and that happened. 534 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. 535 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 3: I didn't notice that until like night two or something, 536 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: and I started reading that, and I'm like, there's no damn. 537 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: I made cat I sink ken in his bedroom strictly 538 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: platonically as two friends, two separate beds, period. But yeah, 539 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: you never let it get in your way, which I 540 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: admire so much because it got in my way. It 541 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: broke me down. The ghosts got the best of me. 542 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: Oh god. 543 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 3: And I think it's because part of the fun for 544 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: me is being scared, and. 545 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thrill. I will say. I was afraid 546 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: the most in Bisbee. 547 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: Bisbee, Arizona, the Copper Queen Hotel. Holy shit, the scariest 548 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: place I've. 549 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: Ever been, absolutely period. Bisbee was scary. 550 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: I just don't really show outwardly fear, but show I 551 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: was scratched there. 552 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: I know what happened to me didn't make the cut. 553 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: So here's what people don't understand about paranormal shows. There's 554 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: a lot that is happening when the cameras are not rolling. 555 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: Yes, and that place. 556 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: In particular, we stayed multiple days and nights in that building, 557 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: and it was non stop. Every time we would congregate 558 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: back together from our rooms, everyone had stories about stuff 559 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: that had happened. 560 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: Yep, I had a scratch on my neck. 561 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 3: I very much remember that. It was terrifying the room 562 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: that you stayed in, and you were right a couple 563 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 3: doors down from me, I believe. Yeah, you were on 564 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 3: the scary floor too, right. 565 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, But my ancestors literally were like, you need to 566 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: move rooms, and I did, but after the scratch, they 567 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: were like, get out of that room. You're finding any 568 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: other room you should not be there. But someone else 569 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: on production was scratching that room too the night before 570 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: I got scratched that room. 571 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 3: That's right. 572 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 573 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: Have you ever not listened to your ancestors? 574 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely? 575 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: And how'd that go for you? 576 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: I don't listen to them a lot because we don't 577 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: always agree. It's kind of like, you know, you may 578 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: have friends or family members, like they're giving you the 579 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: best advice that they have, but you want to do 580 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: you as your life, you know, m. 581 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: So you don't view them like now that they're spirits 582 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 3: they are all power nah, and they can see the 583 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: future because I think people make that mistake a lot. 584 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: It's sort of like how people do the weedy board 585 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 3: or whatever, and they're like, will I get married next year? 586 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 3: It's like, why would a ghost know that? 587 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: The thing is like, they know a lot like I 588 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: think when they die, at least in my traditions, when 589 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: they die, they are able to see a little bit more. 590 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: They don't have the same kind of restrictions and boundaries 591 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: that human beings have. Because we're like literally in flesh, 592 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: we can only do but so much. So, like spirits 593 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: have the ability to see a little bit more, but 594 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 2: you don't take into account. Like again, these spirits are 595 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: na God, they don't know every single thing. They also 596 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: used to be humans, so they have a certain way 597 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: that they look at life and experiences based on their 598 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 2: kind of human brain. They're not humans anymore, so they 599 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: have the ability to grow and expand, but they don't 600 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: always and like some of them, some of them don't know, 601 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: like they don't know. So yeah, like I'll listen to 602 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 2: their advice because I value them because I know that 603 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: they are coming from a place of love and they 604 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: care about me. 605 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: But sometimes I'm like, okay. 606 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: Here, y'all not gonna do that though, but appreciate the advice. 607 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: They're not the end all be all. They're just supportive 608 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: spirits in my life whose advice I take when I 609 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: need to. 610 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 3: The consultants, they're consultants. Do you view spirits just this 611 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 3: way that are your ancestors or do you view all 612 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: spirits this way? 613 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: Well, the thing with my ancestors is that I trust 614 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: them because I know them. Right, Other spirits, spirits be 615 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: lying spirits be trying to confuse you. I mean, we 616 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: were talking about tricks to spirits in one of the episodes. 617 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: I think that was actually clon Wotel, Like, spirits have 618 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: their own agenda. You never know who you're talking to. 619 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: They're just like people. People be lying, people be stealing, people, 620 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: be cussing, people be uh huh bitches. Spirits encompass all 621 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: of that they can. 622 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just talking to Alex, who you'll all 623 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 3: meet next week on the show. She's one of our 624 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 3: other cast members, and I was saying, like, when you 625 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: ghost hunt or whatever you want to call it paranormal 626 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: invest and you ask are you a demon or whatever? 627 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: And then it comes back saying yes, bitch, why am 628 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 3: I gonna believe? 629 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: I feel like well' wouldn't tell you. 630 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like this is one of these things, 631 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 3: like if I moved to a new city where no 632 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 3: one knew me, I could just make up my own storyline. 633 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 3: People could be like, are you a billionaire? I could 634 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I am, why not? And I've got 635 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: eight husbands at home, Like I don't know, I could 636 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 3: just make up whatever the hell I want. I feel 637 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 3: like sometimes there's ghosts that are probably viewing it like 638 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: that too. Like they are, They're like, ooh, this would 639 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 3: be fun. I'll be a demon for this one. 640 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: They one hundred percent. It's like going up to my 641 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 2: ass like did you break into my house? And they 642 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 2: broke into your house. I'm not gonna be like, yeah 643 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 2: I did. They're gonna say no, yeah. Spirits lie like 644 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: people lie. Spirits lie. I think once people realize that 645 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: they are not the end all be all, they would 646 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: have better interactions with the spirit when you just go 647 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 2: in knowing like whatever, it is, like you just take 648 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: what you can get. 649 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: If you like them, if you trust them, cool, if not, 650 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: like hey whatever, totally. 651 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: I think you just have to take it for what 652 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 3: the experience is. 653 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: Yes, you do. 654 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 3: I find it really hard to find concrete answers in 655 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: that world mm hmm, just because everything is so unknown 656 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 3: it is. That's the mystery. 657 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: That's the fun part to. 658 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: Me, that's the fun part. What do you think of demons? 659 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: Do you believe in. 660 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: That the concept of demons is a bit foreign in 661 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 2: my religions plural, But I don't think that that means 662 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 2: that they don't exist. I think if people have experiences 663 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 2: with demons, then they exist in some capacity because people 664 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 2: have experiences. But I don't really come into contact with demons, 665 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 2: and in some ways I don't even fully understand what 666 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: a demon is. Besides like growing up Catholic and like 667 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 2: hearing about demons, Like is that what it is? 668 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 3: Like? 669 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: Are they actually nice? I don't know? What do they 670 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: be doing? Where are they? 671 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 3: Siria? 672 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: Tell me? What are the demons? 673 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: Do you believe in, like inhuman energy that is bad? 674 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: Okay, yes I do. 675 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 2: I do believe in like malevolent or inhuman energies that 676 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: do not mean you well or mean us well, though 677 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: they may mean somebody well though, which is getting into. 678 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: A lot of weird things. 679 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, I do believe in that, but I just 680 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 2: feel like, not to get too deep, but like some 681 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 2: of the things I may view as malevolent is what 682 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 2: someone else may view as benevolent, or what somebody else 683 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 2: may like or appreciate, or that spirit supports this other person. 684 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: It may not align with what I'm trying to do. 685 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: But to say that it's purposeless for someone else, you know, 686 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: I can't say that. 687 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: So sure, I guess it's a demon to me. 688 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 3: But if we talk about that with humans, mm hmm, 689 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 3: a lot of people take comfort and really nasty views. 690 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 3: You know, it brings them joy, It brings them comfort, 691 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 3: So what do we do about them? 692 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: It's hard. 693 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's things that are just like big 694 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 2: hell knows, like moral morally, that are like, okay, you're 695 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 2: fucked up. 696 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, But people would. 697 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 2: Say that I'm evil, and people do because I'm talking 698 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 2: to dead people and I'm talking to spirit and yeah, 699 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not Christian, So in some spaces I 700 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 2: am that malevolent thing. I do represent that, though I 701 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: don't feel that way. I hope you don't know that. 702 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 2: You know, you don't feel that way about me, But shit, 703 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: I am to people, even to some family. 704 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 3: That's why I brought you here today so I could 705 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 3: let you know that I think you're evil, and I 706 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 3: think what you're doing is wrong in human, inhuman and 707 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 3: against my beliefs. I can totally see that. Like, you know, 708 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 3: we all have freedom in this country technically ish, yeah, 709 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 3: to practice whatever we want or believe whatever we want. 710 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 3: I think that where it crosses lines is when it 711 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 3: really intentionally fucks up other people's lives. That's the part, 712 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 3: that's the part. Anyway, back to fun stuff, So when 713 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 3: it comes to your medium, medium, messtic, medium ship, medium 714 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 3: ship abilities, what do you do you hear, you see, 715 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 3: you smell? 716 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, some when you say smell, I do smell. 717 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite gifts, smelling and tasting. But 718 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 2: I do see, but I don't see. I have friends 719 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: who like see spirits like I see you right now 720 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 2: and you see me. 721 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 722 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 2: I don't see like that. I see more in my 723 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 2: dreams and I see more in like my mind. It's 724 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: really hard to explain. But like medium going to say, 725 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 2: I'm talking about like you just see it in your 726 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: head more than you see it as an outside figure. 727 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 2: And then I don't really hear as in voices outside 728 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 2: of my dreams. I hear as an ideas. So if 729 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 2: a spirit is telling me something, I'm not hearing necessarily 730 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 2: the voice sometimes but very rarely, I'm hearing the idea 731 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: of what they want me to share, if that makes sense. 732 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 2: So it's clear cognizance what it would be called. So 733 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 2: I'm clear cognizant. And Claire Gustin's. 734 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,959 Speaker 3: My favorite, drag Quin and Claire all the other ones. 735 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 3: Claire Cognix scent from the House of cognitive sense. Okay, yeah, 736 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 3: So one of my favorite things that I learned from 737 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 3: you was your shell reading. M hmmm, are you able 738 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 3: to educate us about what that's all about shell readings. 739 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 2: I didn't do a lot of coin readings on the show, 740 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 2: I don't think, but I can. You can also use coins, 741 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 2: but it's a divination tool, and divination is a systematic 742 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 2: way to consult basically spirits. And it's through binary coding 743 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: and probability that you're able to interpret like what the 744 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 2: shells and coins mean, So based on how they fall 745 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 2: up down. It can also get really deep. But to 746 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 2: keep a simple you know, heads tails up down is 747 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 2: how you are able to decipher yes or no messages. 748 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 2: But the more you read, you start to be able 749 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 2: to read like how the shells fall, like the force 750 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 2: that they fall. Oh, if it's on ahead and then 751 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 2: flips over randomly to the tail, which happens typically you'll 752 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 2: use three to four shells or coins or whatever you're 753 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 2: using to toss. Yeah, they just fall, and it's basically 754 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 2: simple quote unquote yes or no. But when you're skilled, 755 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 2: you get a lot more information than just yes or 756 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 2: no or maybe. So that's kind of what it was 757 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 2: that I was doing while getting other information. So they're 758 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 2: talking to me while I'm also confirming what they're saying 759 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: with the shows. 760 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah? 761 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 3: But like, okay, my question. It's such a confusing question 762 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 3: and you might not be able to answer it, because 763 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 3: I have asked us of people before and they can't 764 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 3: answer it, and it's totally still valid. Like do you 765 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 3: view that as the spirits are grabbing the shells and 766 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: flipping them with their fingers or is it energy in 767 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 3: the air that's causing it to do that? Or are 768 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 3: they kind of inhabiting your body? And like, what exactly 769 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 3: is happening there? 770 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: That's a really good question. 771 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 3: Because I think about this with any divination or yeah, 772 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 3: spirit boards or pendulums or I don't know whatever. I'm like, 773 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 3: what is actually happening here? 774 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: Right? 775 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 3: And it's okay if you don't have an answer, I 776 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 3: just well, it's an interesting thing to think about. 777 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 2: It is an interesting thing to think about, and I 778 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 2: think it's a lot of different things. I think that 779 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 2: the shell itself is a spirit or the cards or 780 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: whatever you're using, and I think that it's something to 781 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 2: say about communing with that the spirit of a card, 782 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 2: like the card is communicating about itself. Okay, the shell 783 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 2: is communicating about itself. I think part two of that 784 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 2: is if you're talking to a specific deity, they know 785 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 2: how to manipulate the shell, or they're in conversation with 786 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 2: the energy of the show to determine how it falls. 787 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 2: So sure, they could be using the energy of me 788 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 2: to drop it in a certain way, but it's more 789 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 2: like I kind of imagine them being in communication with 790 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 2: the object, if that makes sense, okay, because I believe 791 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 2: that there's a spirit of everything, including an objects, including 792 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 2: inanimate things. That would be called animism animism. Yeah, so yeah, 793 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 2: there's a spirit of everything. So you can communicate with 794 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 2: the spirit of this Mike, the spirit of the show Ghost. 795 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 2: It has a spirit, you know, of this podcast, and 796 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 2: so you commune with those things in order to get 797 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,919 Speaker 2: what you want. That's the premise of my work. So 798 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 2: you're communicating with the show. The spirit is communicating with 799 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 2: the show to then get what it needs or to 800 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 2: communicate what it needs. 801 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 3: That's a beautiful way of looking at things. I like it, 802 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,720 Speaker 3: and I also love miss an Mism of the House 803 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 3: of missm. 804 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: Your mind is like, you're so brilliant. 805 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 3: Now I'm just a whole drag queen. Can I play 806 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 3: you some ghost voices? 807 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: Sure? 808 00:42:53,160 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 3: It's time for EVP or ev plice. Okay, So what 809 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 3: I do, Juge, I go to TikTok YouTube wherever, and 810 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 3: I find electronic voice phenomenal EVPs. These are alleged voices 811 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,479 Speaker 3: that people have captured of ghosts speaking. I have two 812 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 3: of them for you today, and I want you to 813 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 3: tell me what you hear, and then I'm going to 814 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 3: give you some options, one of them being the correct option, 815 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 3: at least what the person believes it says. 816 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:30,919 Speaker 2: Oh lot. 817 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 3: Okay. So this is gonna be a unique version of 818 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 3: this today because the two locations that I am using 819 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 3: are locations we've been ooo. Okay, So this is from 820 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 3: Tee Toungu one on YouTube and it is at Waverly 821 00:43:52,800 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 3: Hills Sentatorium FUE, which is in Louisville, Louisville, Lousville, Louisville, Kentucky. 822 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 3: What is this ghost say? Oh God? I'm like, okay, 823 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 3: So there is like somebody kind of talking for a 824 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 3: second at the end there like a humane but there's 825 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 3: a voice. Yeah, that's what we're listening for. 826 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: Got it? 827 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna play it again. I'm like, it's like, 828 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 3: do you hear. 829 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: I thought it was hello something, but I don't know. 830 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 3: That is not what te Tungue one thought it said? 831 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: What did t sung one thing? 832 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 3: Is it a you bitch? Is it b no? Sis? 833 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 3: Is it c stew bed or d you p like 834 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 3: you p someone beat over here? Okay, let me play 835 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 3: it again please. 836 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, I kind of heard you bitch. 837 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 3: They believe it is a you bitch. 838 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: Oh you bitch? Yeah, okay, you bitch. 839 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 3: Okay, now that we know that, let's listen again. I 840 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,280 Speaker 3: can hear it. I think that the person, the human 841 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 3: that talk kind of cut off the but I hear 842 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 3: you bitch. 843 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: I'll give you bitch. Yeah yeah, I'll go. 844 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 3: And get into you bitch. I'm gonna give it to them. 845 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: And spirits are so rude. 846 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 2: They love to call people bitches and shit, so I 847 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised it's so rude. 848 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 3: Talk to me about your experience at that place before 849 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 3: we get to the next EVP. Waverly Hills Sanatorium, famously 850 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 3: known as one of the most haunted places in the world, 851 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 3: a former tuberculosis hospital that has been out of business 852 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 3: for decades and is now where people just ghost hunt 853 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,280 Speaker 3: their lives away. 854 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 2: I wasn't terribly scared. Not to be that one who's like, 855 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 2: I'm never scared, but I wasn't terribly scared there. 856 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 3: I meanrego. 857 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 2: I think what I felt mostly there was a lot 858 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 2: of the spirits being irritated with like what's happening? 859 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, because they have a Halloween attraction. Yeah, that has 860 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 3: a lot of really spooky imagery and all of that 861 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 3: sort of a thing. And it's in areas where there's 862 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 3: a ton of history with people being terribly sick and 863 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 3: spending their last days, and it's certainly viewed as like 864 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 3: this is spooky. This is where people used to. 865 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: Die, right, Like people see me, you know, still in 866 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: this community. You know. 867 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 2: I think that was the thing that I felt. Otherwise, 868 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,719 Speaker 2: I actually really enjoyed it. I thought it was like 869 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 2: beautiful in a way. It was pretty. 870 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: I liked it. 871 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 3: I like that place because we did not sleeply there. 872 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that, right. I liked it because we 873 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: could go home. 874 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 3: Yes, that place it was cold, Oh shit, it was. 875 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 3: You know, this is very lovely that we had this 876 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 3: conversation earlier about what's evil to some people might not 877 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 3: be to other people. The same thing goes with what's 878 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 3: beautiful to some people might not be to all other people. 879 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 3: To me, I wouldn't call it beautiful. 880 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 2: The upstairs with the windows out that was given like 881 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,280 Speaker 2: ig picturesque. 882 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 3: Yeah there was. There was like when you're high up 883 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 3: but you're looking out. There was some nice views, nice breezes, 884 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,439 Speaker 3: but I never felt comfortable when I was there. Oh yeah, 885 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 3: there were two times throughout the season. The first time 886 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 3: I saw a ghost, I believe, was at Waverley Hill Sanatorium. 887 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: Oh right, where was that again? 888 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 3: It was that room that's sort of like that used 889 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 3: to be their cafeteria. 890 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: Yep. 891 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 3: And we were there, and of course cameras weren't rolling. 892 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 3: But I say this as a skeptical person. If things 893 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,400 Speaker 3: weren't happening when the cameras weren't rolling, I would be like, 894 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 3: what's going on here? This seems fake? Yeah, But no, 895 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 3: like things would happen when the cameras weren't rolling. And 896 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 3: I saw somebody in all white running toward the operating 897 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 3: room and they disappeared in front of me. They were 898 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 3: just like running and then they were just not there. Yeah, 899 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 3: but it was so quick I thought it was somebody 900 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 3: that we were working with, but it wasn't. I I 901 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,399 Speaker 3: saw it disappear in front of me. Did you see 902 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 3: any ghosts? 903 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 2: I saw a child when we first got there. At 904 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 2: the top floor. I remember seeing like a little small 905 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 2: like shadow figure that looked like a child running and 906 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 2: they were like, oh, yeah, this was the kid's room, 907 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I think that was actually 908 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 2: the first place that I saw something like that too. 909 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 3: Are you sure it wasn't me? 910 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,959 Speaker 1: It was not you? You're not like four to two? 911 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:04,319 Speaker 3: Okay? One? Okay, this one is also from T Tongue one. 912 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 3: We have copied T Tongue one because they have also 913 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,800 Speaker 3: been to the Lamp Mansion. Oo, okay, the lamp Mansion, 914 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 3: which is in Saint Louis. Missura. I want to say Missouri. 915 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 3: Patton Oswald recently kept saying Missurira, and so I'm gonna 916 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 3: say Misserra. 917 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,240 Speaker 1: Period. 918 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 3: What is this one saying? 919 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: And he guesses, sound like it was slipping his nose. 920 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 3: Let me try it again. Shit, shit, s well, they 921 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 3: did not hear shit. 922 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: I figured that was not an option. Okay, we're the options. 923 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 3: Is it a that's cute. B bless you. C my 924 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 3: best shoes like these are my best shoe or d 925 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,799 Speaker 3: best d Okay which one is that? Let me play 926 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,240 Speaker 3: it again? 927 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 1: Please? Bless you? 928 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,320 Speaker 3: Yes, bless you. Wow, you're like a real paranormal investigator. 929 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 3: Look at you. Two for two Okay, Now tell me 930 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 3: about the lent mansion for you? 931 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Limpy, what was limp given? 932 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 2: It's just with so many places, sometimes they all run together, 933 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 2: all the ghosts run together. 934 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 3: I remember you your body being overtaken by a spirit. 935 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,719 Speaker 1: Oh shit, yes, yes, possession. 936 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,919 Speaker 3: Just another day in the life of Juju Bay. 937 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: Apparently it's just so normal. I actually really love possession. 938 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: It's one of my. 939 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,840 Speaker 3: Favorite things to do because's but welcomed. 940 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 2: Welcome possession, right, being open to possession as a form 941 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 2: of communication. 942 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 3: Tell me about that and your experience with that. 943 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 944 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 2: So obviously when people think possession, they already jump to 945 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 2: like the horror movies of people's head spinning around and 946 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 2: projectile vomit. 947 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: Not that necessarily. 948 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 3: Necessarily what if what if you got possessed by an 949 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 3: owl with a stomach bug? Then could your head spin 950 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 3: around and puke? 951 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: That's where that necessarily inserts itself. 952 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 3: That's the one caveat Caveat. 953 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 2: I have not had the owl with a stomach virus 954 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 2: to do that just yet. But yeah, like in my tradition, 955 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 2: we will welcome possession in order to invite spirits to communicate. 956 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 2: It's like a way to give the voiceless voices. So 957 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 2: if they're specific spirits that want to say something, if 958 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 2: they have a message for the group or for the community, 959 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,360 Speaker 2: we'll do whatever, do our little deep breathing and literally 960 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 2: invite the spirit to come to speak through our mouths 961 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 2: so that the message can be brought or that they 962 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 2: can have a voice, or that they can you know whatever. So, yeah, 963 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 2: ession is something that I've done quite often, because there's 964 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 2: entire ceremonies to invoke possession of good spirits, you know. 965 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 3: But how do you get them out? 966 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,240 Speaker 1: Oh it's a whole process. 967 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,799 Speaker 2: You have certain tools and prayers and washes that go 968 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 2: over you. Someone around will know how to bring someone 969 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 2: out of possession always. 970 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 3: But don't you get nervous looking the way that you 971 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:27,399 Speaker 3: do and your style, your personality that these spirits won't 972 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 3: want to leave. They're going to hop in and be like, 973 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 3: I'm good here. I want to be Juju and I'm good, 974 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 3: You're not going to get rid of me. 975 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,920 Speaker 2: Sometimes they don't want to leave, but they can't stay. 976 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 2: There are ways to get them out. Even if they 977 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,399 Speaker 2: don't want to leave, there are eviction notices, so they 978 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:44,879 Speaker 2: will leave. 979 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,840 Speaker 3: You know what I was just reminded of. And I 980 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,439 Speaker 3: have to ask mm hmmm, because we've never talked about 981 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 3: it other than the one time it came up early 982 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 3: on and my first thought was, I'm keeping that for 983 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 3: the podcast. One day you admitted that you had a 984 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 3: relation relationship with a ghost. Can you talk about it? Yeah, okay, 985 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,399 Speaker 3: tell me the full meet cute or whatever they call it. 986 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 3: I want to know the rom com How did you 987 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 3: meet and how did you break up? 988 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 2: So I will say that the relationship wasn't necessarily consensual 989 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 2: ishes it gets mixy. So basically there would be times 990 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 2: when I would just be alone, like in my apartment 991 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,879 Speaker 2: this was years ago, and I would feel like an 992 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 2: energy of someone like on me, touching me, around me, 993 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 2: cuddling me. 994 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm getting so. 995 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,320 Speaker 2: Deep and even like sometimes just randomly like coming to organism, 996 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 2: like while I'm home, just hanging out, chilling mind in 997 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 2: my business. And it was to the point where I'm like, 998 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,759 Speaker 2: I think that there's a spirit or something being with me, 999 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,320 Speaker 2: like and having sex with me. And it was good. 1000 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 2: So I was kind of gagged a little bit because 1001 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 2: so good. It was very strange, I know, but I 1002 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:02,600 Speaker 2: saw it. 1003 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: This is real. 1004 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 2: So I called my spiritual godfather at the time and 1005 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm having this experience. I know this sounds wild. 1006 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 2: He's like, no, I think you have a spirit husband husband. 1007 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 2: Let me go divine on it. So like divination is 1008 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,240 Speaker 2: when we're going to the spirits, we're doing the things, 1009 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,239 Speaker 2: we're con toulting the spirits we can trust, so the 1010 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 2: spirits we contrust her, Like, yes, she has a spirit husband. 1011 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 2: And this is someone that apparently I was married to 1012 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 2: in a previous life and we were together, we were 1013 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 2: together in heaven whatever. Then I left. I was like, hey, 1014 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,919 Speaker 2: maybe I gotta go to the earth. I gotta live 1015 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 2: out my life. We have to break up, and he 1016 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 2: was like, no, we're still together. So he's been with 1017 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 2: me throughout my life, you know, protecting me or whatever, 1018 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 2: but not until at that time he started wanting to be. 1019 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: With me again like that, oh wow. 1020 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,759 Speaker 2: And at that time I was having a lot of 1021 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,840 Speaker 2: really bad relationships like with actual real human beings, like 1022 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,720 Speaker 2: they kept getting ruined or like random things would happen 1023 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 2: that would just like my relationship. They were just havoc. 1024 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 2: All of them were just wreaking havoc. The spirits were like, 1025 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 2: he's causing havoc. He doesn't want to see you with 1026 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 2: anybody else. He doesn't want you dating. He wants you 1027 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,359 Speaker 2: to hisself. And as long as you like don't date 1028 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 2: anybody else, like he'll make sure that you, you know, have success, 1029 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 2: you know, you have money, you have everything you want. 1030 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 2: You just can't ever be with anyone else. And I 1031 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 2: was like, absolutely not, we need to break up. 1032 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 3: Well, you don't even know what he looks like. 1033 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 2: I don't even know what he looks like. I mean 1034 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,839 Speaker 2: the sex is good, but like this is kind of weird. Like, no, 1035 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 2: this is too much for me. I know, I'm a 1036 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,919 Speaker 2: googlele bitch for this. So I had to go through 1037 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 2: a whole like initiation to divorce, offerings, libations, prayers. I mean, 1038 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 2: this was with a group of people basically divorcing myself 1039 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 2: from this spirit. 1040 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 1: What after that happened it stopped? 1041 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 3: Was there a prenup? 1042 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,280 Speaker 2: There's always a prenup? Baby, I also had to receive 1043 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 2: another shrine. I have a shrine that kind of protects 1044 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,280 Speaker 2: me from that specifically. 1045 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,880 Speaker 3: So when these encounters would happen, were you able to 1046 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,239 Speaker 3: be like, I'm in the mood for my husband to 1047 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 3: come over tonight and like call him up, or would 1048 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,360 Speaker 3: it just always be like a sneak attack. There was 1049 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 3: a short. 1050 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 2: Period where I was like, well, maybe I just see 1051 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 2: what this is about. Honestly, I was like, I mean 1052 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 2: he's protecting me, he's been with he's loyal. I've needed 1053 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,440 Speaker 2: somewhat loyal. 1054 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, things are going. 1055 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 2: Well in my life. Sometimes I was like, well, hey, 1056 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,439 Speaker 2: I'm lonely, Like what you doing? 1057 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 3: You know? 1058 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,000 Speaker 1: I would, but. 1059 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,080 Speaker 2: Not in a sense of like trying to like have 1060 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,399 Speaker 2: sex or necessarily, but like I don't know. I did 1061 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,920 Speaker 2: have a relationship with a spirit, like a romantic relationship. 1062 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,799 Speaker 2: It wasn't fully consensual, but there were times where I 1063 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,000 Speaker 2: was like I was open to it for sure. 1064 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't feel bad about it. 1065 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,160 Speaker 2: I just was like, I'm not I can't know. It's 1066 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,400 Speaker 2: a little too much for me where let's get divorced. 1067 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 3: When I hear like these sexual encounters that people have 1068 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 3: with ghosts, the first thing I always think of is 1069 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 3: the consent aspect of it, because it seems like you 1070 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,440 Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to. But then again, a lot of 1071 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,359 Speaker 3: the time that I hear about this, people say it's 1072 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,319 Speaker 3: amazing it is that maybe they didn't ask for it. 1073 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,520 Speaker 3: But and I'm sure that a lot of times people 1074 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 3: are like, is this really happening or is this just 1075 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 3: in my mind? Like right, They're just kind of there 1076 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,640 Speaker 3: for whatever's happening, and then later on they're like, I 1077 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 3: think that was a ghost. 1078 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly. I'm like, maybe I'm just like really freaky, 1079 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 2: like maybe this is me. Maybe I just have some 1080 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 2: kind of imagination. It was like, no, it kept happening 1081 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 2: around the same time, night after night. 1082 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:45,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so we know that he's single, he's single, he's loyal. 1083 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,720 Speaker 3: What do I gotta do? 1084 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: Maybe I call him. 1085 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what he's up to. After I went 1086 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 2: through that ritual, wants to get rid of him. I 1087 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,400 Speaker 2: really have not heard from him, so he could have 1088 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 2: moved on. I don't know. He might not be single, 1089 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,280 Speaker 2: but he stayed with me for clearly hundreds of years. 1090 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 3: So wow, that is commitment. 1091 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: Commitment. 1092 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 3: Oh that's kind of hot. 1093 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 2: But was ruining my relationship. But I will say this 1094 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,440 Speaker 2: is a lot more common than people think. And even 1095 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 2: if a spirit is not having sex with you, various 1096 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,280 Speaker 2: traditions throughout the world have some concept of explaining this 1097 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,440 Speaker 2: very thing, like a spirit partner. 1098 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,640 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. 1099 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 2: So if your relationships are kind of messed up, it 1100 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,520 Speaker 2: could be you, but it could be your spirit partner 1101 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 2: sabotaging your love life. 1102 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,120 Speaker 3: Never know, interesting or yeah, or it could just be 1103 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,400 Speaker 3: you are horrible at dating people. 1104 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 1105 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, one more question I have about that is 1106 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 3: there are ways to sort of conjure up these experiences, right, 1107 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,919 Speaker 3: Like can't people invite this sort of a thing, because 1108 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,320 Speaker 3: that's what I was thinking of when you were talking 1109 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 3: about the possession, Like you can you can have like 1110 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 3: these welcome possessions. And I know people talk about things 1111 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 3: like astral projection, like there's certain practices that you can 1112 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 3: work on and build and so do you believe that 1113 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,160 Speaker 3: the same thing goes with friends with benefits from the 1114 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 3: other side? 1115 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean you can summon anything. You can 1116 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 2: summon anything, so yeah, you can summon spirit sex. I 1117 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 2: don't recommend it, but cause you just never know. But yeah, 1118 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 2: and I think people do sud me. I feel like 1119 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,360 Speaker 2: I've read or seen something on TV of someone who 1120 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 2: maybe summoned a ghost and got married to. 1121 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,240 Speaker 1: It or something like that. 1122 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but yeah, a lot of times those people 1123 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 2: are summoning that energy. 1124 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 3: See. That's what I'm afraid of, is like, you can't 1125 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 3: control it the way you can a real man. Okay, 1126 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,680 Speaker 3: at least me I can control. I can have a 1127 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 3: man wrapped around my finger, perious. Okay. However, with a 1128 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,600 Speaker 3: ghost man, this is what it would happen to me. 1129 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,760 Speaker 3: It would be like some horrible eighties comedy movie where 1130 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 3: I would be in a business meeting and then that's 1131 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,080 Speaker 3: when he would show up. And I would be like, yeah, 1132 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 3: so according to the records, that's what would happen to me. 1133 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,000 Speaker 3: I can I can tell you right now. Oh yeah, 1134 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 3: it says here in the second quarter of the year. 1135 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 3: I know that that's how it would be, and I'm 1136 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 3: not happy about that. So if I can find a 1137 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 3: man that can stick to a strict schedule, or if 1138 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,280 Speaker 3: you can find one for me, because I know you 1139 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,040 Speaker 3: know a lot of people on the other side, I'm 1140 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 3: fine with it. I'm here for all of that, and 1141 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,080 Speaker 3: I think. 1142 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Okay, give me your qualifications. 1143 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, I will Juju. This is pretty much 1144 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 3: yet this has been great. 1145 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 1: So great, this was fine. 1146 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,120 Speaker 3: It's such a crazy thing that we were found, we 1147 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 3: were put together, and we've had such a cool experience. 1148 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 3: And I feel so safe around you. I will say, 1149 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,919 Speaker 3: you're on my roster of people that I have. If 1150 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,200 Speaker 3: some shit goes down, okay, with the other side, I'm 1151 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,160 Speaker 3: calling you up, whether you like it or not. So 1152 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,600 Speaker 3: in that sense, I feel very safe. All these times 1153 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,680 Speaker 3: I've been in these haunted house locations, I'm like, if 1154 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,760 Speaker 3: Juju's here, I'm fine. So like it or not, you're 1155 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,600 Speaker 3: a part of this over here. 1156 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,120 Speaker 1: We're in it to win it, honey, gladly anytime. 1157 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,440 Speaker 3: And now we're about to be a TV stars together. 1158 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 3: How do you feel about that? 1159 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel pretty good about it because I 1160 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 2: feel like it's part of all of our destinies to 1161 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 2: have this happen. 1162 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,400 Speaker 1: So it's like good. 1163 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,760 Speaker 2: But also, you know a lot of things come with 1164 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,880 Speaker 2: it and you can't prepare for it like you can, 1165 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,160 Speaker 2: but you can't. So I'm just kind of just being 1166 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 2: open to the experience and hopefully we can just keep 1167 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 2: talking to the dead people and the ghosts and the spirits. 1168 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,080 Speaker 1: I'll be good. I'll be good with that. I'll be 1169 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,360 Speaker 1: good with that. Yeah. 1170 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 3: Well, tell people where they can find you and all 1171 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:57,760 Speaker 3: the things that you do. 1172 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:02,080 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you can find me on pretty much everything 1173 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 2: at it s j u j u b a e 1174 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 2: ith jiuju Bai. 1175 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,360 Speaker 1: I also have a podcast. 1176 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 2: We're currently on hiatus, but if you are interested in 1177 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 2: learning more about the hoodoos and the voodoo and some 1178 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,440 Speaker 2: of the orisha and the shrines and all the spiritual 1179 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,400 Speaker 2: stuff I've been talking about. It's called a Little Juju Podcast, 1180 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 2: so you can check that out wherever streaming is. 1181 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:22,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm. 1182 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,800 Speaker 2: Working on a book that comes out right now. It's 1183 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,439 Speaker 2: projected of spring twenty four, so we've got a little 1184 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 2: bit of time. But I actually just turned in my 1185 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,560 Speaker 2: manuscript today, first draft of my manuscript, so that's wonderful. 1186 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll have things. Just follow me. 1187 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,960 Speaker 2: It's Jujube or jujuba on everything jj bae. I might 1188 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,920 Speaker 2: be doing readings, I might not. I'm off and on 1189 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,960 Speaker 2: and living for the dead. Huney for the dead. Honey, 1190 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,040 Speaker 2: we're living for the dead. 1191 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,240 Speaker 3: Well, thanks g thank you, Rosie. 1192 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:51,919 Speaker 1: This was fun. 1193 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,480 Speaker 3: Ah, thank you so much. Juju Bai, isn't she something? 1194 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,720 Speaker 3: She is somebody that can make me laugh so hard 1195 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,720 Speaker 3: because she's not she's not like me. She's not on 1196 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,920 Speaker 3: these people that's always just running their mouth. She is 1197 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 3: one of those people that when she talks, oh my god, 1198 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 3: it counts the same goes with her humor. She will 1199 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,720 Speaker 3: just be sitting quiet, all of us, you know, little 1200 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,320 Speaker 3: roosters and hands are clucking away, and then all of 1201 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,120 Speaker 3: a sudden, Juju will say one thing and it's the 1202 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 3: funniest thing we've ever heard. And so many times when 1203 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,720 Speaker 3: we were working together, she just killed me. So go 1204 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,040 Speaker 3: check out all the things that she does, because she's 1205 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 3: truly incredible. And who knows, maybe you could even get 1206 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 3: a reading from the iconic Jujubai one day. Yeah, guys, 1207 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,880 Speaker 3: all right, well, next week I'm going to be talking 1208 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:57,040 Speaker 3: to Alex LeMay, who is again the technical ghost hunter 1209 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 3: of the group, you know, the one that does great 1210 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:06,600 Speaker 3: with all the machinery and the technological stuff. So uh, 1211 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,600 Speaker 3: we'll get to that next week. I love you all, 1212 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 3: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you 1213 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,680 Speaker 3: to haunt me, don't haunt me. 1214 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:15,720 Speaker 1: Came back. 1215 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,360 Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share 1216 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,400 Speaker 3: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out 1217 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,240 Speaker 3: loud and sometimes I'll even call you, so email me 1218 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,920 Speaker 3: at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You can 1219 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,360 Speaker 3: send a DM or voice message to the show's Instagram 1220 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,800 Speaker 3: at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow while you're there, 1221 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 3: and follow me Roz on Instagram at Roz Hernandez, and 1222 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,160 Speaker 3: on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior 1223 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,120 Speaker 3: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the 1224 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,960 Speaker 3: alarming Alex Cheen. This episode was mixed and sound designed 1225 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,320 Speaker 3: by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the 1226 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:13,920 Speaker 3: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising 1227 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 3: Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine 1228 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:25,680 Speaker 3: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. 1229 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:32,360 Speaker 3: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the 1230 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:38,400 Speaker 3: Chilling Karen Kilgarriff, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the 1231 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,880 Speaker 3: Frightening Danielle Kramer